Bases 16: Eva Zemanova - Direct Experiencer of the original Seeding of Humanity..!

[jackovesk]

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Jul 15, 2012

Eva Zemanova is a direct experiencer of the original seeding of humanity on earth before any animal life existed, a very long time ago. We introduce her in this first part, of what is the Bodhgaya Extraterrestrial Event.

She was brought into the public domain by researcher Barry King. This brings a second vitally important subject to view. King's father was in the British Intelliegenec units in WW2 that discovered EBEs at a German R&D facility deepinside Germany at the end of the War.

So the Germans were dealing with NonHumans during the war, and as we know from other sources Marconi was asked by the NAZIs to investigate these ET issues during the 30s, which involved transmisions from Ireland. Thus Broadcasting from its earliest times has a ET link. Recorded in Prague, with guest interviewer Joanne Summerscales of The AMMACH Project in a brief section in alter part.

Note: Eva was previously recorded by Project Camelot, but audio issues made anything she said impossible to understand. She has a delicate accent, so please persevere.

Bases 16: Eva Part One Ver 001


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3NAOlgRNEc&list=UUcfXFZOH4_ekFlavUeq8hEQ&index=1&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3NAOlgRNEc&list=UUcfXFZOH4_ekFlavUeq8hEQ&index=1&feature=plcp

Enjoy...

[Bill Ryan]

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For any members who may not know, Eva is our very own Agape (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?277-Agape). :)

Her thread is http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3647-The-Bodhgaya-Event-Eva-Zemanova-s-detailed-personal-experience. Read, enjoy, and find it fascinating.

[cloud9]

Thanks jackovest for bringing Eva's story again so the newest members have the chance to know her.

[Agape]

Thanks Bill . There are 4 more hours of the interview to be edited and the best information is in Parts 4&5 . However ...

it's the way I see it ..

Feeling nervous about it and many things are evolving forwards in their own way ..


;):panda:

[Agape]

bx_f4WMwl4k

Part 2 ...


It's going to be a series ..

:angel:

[Olam]

Thank you Eva for this, its at last time for everyone to hear you!
big hug to you

[Old Snake]

Agape,

Thank you for the courage to come forward,
when you can find it, The cave of the ancients by Lobsang Rampa,a
recognised incarnation by HH,there a cave full of ET stuff is described.
Not too far out of the way I would say.

Well for the time being we seem to be locked to this planet it seems,
even incarnating here again and again,wich brings up the question;
Were our " souls" damaged too ? So when in spirit we even cannot remember
where we came from,let alone know what we knew before "the accident".
So with no other choice we will choose the "obvious" that what we "know",to go back to that? aka reincarnate here.
A blody tiring prospect, just planned for some eons off after this one :wizard:

Please keep us posted, and in the mean time take good care of yourself,
as it seems you still have a task ahead of you

Best wishes to you

Old Snake

[Old Snake]

Agape, Eva<

To me your story is not strange,as there are found artifacts in mines
of wich "scientists" have absolutely no answhere to,yet some are older than
the "scientific"estimate of human life on earth.

All these can give your account "foot and leg so to speak",
I implore you not to feel to much alone, for one,
and honor your human presence on this planet as well,in all aspects of life.

In the mean time I found out that I have to dream myself back them milions of years to remember our origin, to find the coordinates, so I might have my eons off after all,
or something other usefull project:wizard:

BTW, direct question; does HH have a copy of the pdf, does he know about your experiences?
If so can you share His reactions,
He knows about the cave.

Be well

Old Snake

To the readers of this thread, you can help by pointing out all old findings /artifacts older than say 200k years old and beyond

O.S.

[WhiteFeather]

Eva great to hear from you again. : ) Hope all is well with you. We Missed your presence and posts on this forum.

All my Love

W.f.

[Ruby L.]

Part Three:
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[Agape]

Agape,

Thank you for the courage to come forward,
when you can find it, The cave of the ancients by Lobsang Rampa,a
recognised incarnation by HH,there a cave full of ET stuff is described.
Not too far out of the way I would say.

Well for the time being we seem to be locked to this planet it seems,
even incarnating here again and again,wich brings up the question;
Were our " souls" damaged too ? So when in spirit we even cannot remember
where we came from,let alone know what we knew before "the accident".
So with no other choice we will choose the "obvious" that what we "know",to go back to that? aka reincarnate here.
A blody tiring prospect, just planned for some eons off after this one :wizard:

Please keep us posted, and in the mean time take good care of yourself,
as it seems you still have a task ahead of you

Best wishes to you

Old Snake



Hello Old Snake ..gosh I'm getting worse & worse in these internet /forum communications... can I call you Henry ;)

Thanks for your very kind words .


That's one of the most important questions ...''were 'souls' damaged''. Well, certainly biological information was squeaked and suffered trauma on many levels ,
so also 'souls' or minds of our ancestors .

There was no factual biological duality at start, neither a psychological notion of duality of 'body' and 'mind' , or 'body' and 'soul'.

Biological intelligence is also spiritual intelligence . That's after all where the original awareness of 'One-ness' comes from,
people remember that state but if they are not able to achieve it immediately ( it being our natural, innate state of existence ) because of impossible biological circumstances they subscribe the 'original state' to something / someone existentially different from them .


To put it simply , from the perspective of genetic analysis , each of the thousand who actually survived the disaster and were altered biologically, 'condensed ' to earthly density of matter , adjusted , reminding you it took millions of years of adaptation ..
were in fact 'damaged' , altered in different way . Unique way because Earth is not an example of orderly , organised planet where everything moves in even systems , physically .
As a physical body , Earth is still evolving in that direction ..so it shows lots of harmony and beauty ..but almost the same number of anomalies .


So in that way, those original Beings who looked the same, functioned the same and were far more advanced biologically and spiritually were altered each different way, which in clue gave way to evolution of various human races on Earth,
millions of years later as the successors of these very first human ancestors moved around the globe ,
in very small groups and started their own civilisations .

Some had far better awareness than others so they would become leaders of the group and carers for the sick who were only too many .


After some time again, it became clear what all kind of biological damage had occurred and whether, to what extent it can be recovered and not, how fast etc.

We had no precedence to such events in our history so we also did not have any specific facility/equipment or medicine to exactly recover these people so we had to leave it to nature so to say,
taken we knew we'll have to stay here long time .


It turned clear only with time how much damage and to what effect actually happened .



About books from 'Lobsang Rampa' , they were popular spiritual sci-fi many years ago, I'm sure I've had at least 3 of them on my table and read them quite fast and of course,
you have to understand it's spiritual fiction. The 'real' Lobsang Rampa is someone who lives very isolated life somewhere in the UK , never been to India or Tibet ( in this life ) but keeps dreaming and astral-travelling and writing down his visions.

H.H. Dalailama never endorsed this person as 'lama' , and he's been questioned repeatedly about the authenticity of Lobsang Rampas books , I must say that from traditional Tibetan monks perspective ..

Lobsang Rampa is fiction and extravaganza . It's not to imply there are no 'secrets' in Tibet . Yes there are but not on the level described .



BTW, direct question; does HH have a copy of the pdf, does he know about your experiences?
If so can you share His reactions,
He knows about the cave.




Yes H.H. Dalailama received a copy of the Report , in very protocolar way , was briefed and there was not much time to discuss the events , last November .

This is actual situation so I prefer not to elaborate on the person and circumstances of H.H. Dalailama, he's someone very near and dear to many of us and an example of Being who served as world teacher, peace-maker and freedom fighter as his main job ..so he's also very aware and knowledgable but never claimed to know 'right everything' .



All these can give your account "foot and leg so to speak",
I implore you not to feel to much alone, for one,
and honor your human presence on this planet as well,in all aspects of life.

In the mean time I found out that I have to dream myself back them milions of years to remember our origin, to find the coordinates, so I might have my eons off after all,
or something other useful project



Yet, the main body of science keep denying there's evidence and the main thing, it's almost impossible to explain a thing to someone who a priori does not believe that 'such things ' can happen .
Because in their old boring life between computer desk , morning coffee , afternoon coffee and tv news , adventures seldom happen .




More later and many thanks and blessings on your way ......



Part 3 is complicated but more informative




:angel:

[mountain_jim]

I also read and enjoyed the Lobsang Rampa books in my youth, and then later learned the truth of the author and that the material was fiction, at least from the author's physical incarnation point of view, as you stated here, Agape

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thank you for your story Agape, i am very pleased to hear your voice and have seen you for the first time, your gentle humanity radiates of the screen, enjoyed watching and listening to all three parts so far.

Thank you.

Ed

[Finefeather]

Eva Zemanova is a direct experiencer of the original seeding of humanity on earth before any animal life existed,
I have not determined whether this statement is in fact your own interpretation, or a direct extraction, of the information given by Eva Zemanova, however I would like to comment on it.
I want to make it clear, that I am not in any way trying to debunk her work as I have not quite finished with my consideration of it's authenticity.
I also need to say that I have no intention of meddling with your right to choose what you may deem to be factual.

This statement is quite incorrect. The animal kingdom was in place prior to the 'birth' of individualised humanity.
The race which is known as the Lemurian (3rd root race) were initially a group consciousness animal man genetic construct.
Towards the latter parts of this root race (approx 18 million years ago) individuality was achieved, in this animal man, by those known as the 'Lords of Flame'.
This was the point in time when the rational mind was 'born' in what is now the human race. This is when hu-man stepped up from out of the animal kingdom to start his quest.
The important thing to remember is that we are NOT talking about a spiritual entity here, we are talking about the human RACE, these are 2 different things.
Bodies are created in order to achieve some goal by groups of spiritual beings, like us.
Bodies are created by advanced beings, by manipulating genetic (DNA) in order to achieve size, shape etc....but the secret is that the DNA does more than just that...
DNA, or quality of the body, also determines the clearness of the channel or connection to the higher self, or the entity driving the body, this is why spiritual enlightenment is such a challenge.
If this connection, known in the eastern religions as the Antahkarana, is not exercised or trained or achieved, then all we are doing is feeding knowledge to the intellectual mind and NOT to the spiritual mind or soul or higher self. When this connection is achieved, and depending on it's clarity, the true self can experience what it set out to achieve, which is full consciousness on the physical plane.

We can just sit back and imagine the numerous ways we can be sidetracked to prevent this goal.

[Agape]

Eva Zemanova is a direct experiencer of the original seeding of humanity on earth before any animal life existed,
I have not determined whether this statement is in fact your own interpretation, or a direct extraction, of the information given by Eva Zemanova, however I would like to comment on it.
I want to make it clear, that I am not in any way trying to debunk her work as I have not quite finished with my consideration of it's authenticity.
I also need to say that I have no intention of meddling with your right to choose what you may deem to be factual.

This statement is quite incorrect. The animal kingdom was in place prior to the 'birth' of individualised humanity.
The race which is known as the Lemurian (3rd root race) were initially a group consciousness animal man genetic construct.
Towards the latter parts of this root race (approx 18 million years ago) individuality was achieved, in this animal man, by those known as the 'Lords of Flame'.
This was the point in time when the rational mind was 'born' in what is now the human race. This is when hu-man stepped up from out of the animal kingdom to start his quest.
The important thing to remember is that we are NOT talking about a spiritual entity here, we are talking about the human RACE, these are 2 different things.
Bodies are created in order to achieve some goal by groups of spiritual beings, like us.
Bodies are created by advanced beings, by manipulating genetic (DNA) in order to achieve size, shape etc....but the secret is that the DNA does more than just that...
DNA, or quality of the body, also determines the clearness of the channel or connection to the higher self, or the entity driving the body, this is why spiritual enlightenment is such a challenge.
If this connection, known in the eastern religions as the Antahkarana, is not exercised or trained or achieved, then all we are doing is feeding knowledge to the intellectual mind and NOT to the spiritual mind or soul or higher self. When this connection is achieved, and depending on it's clarity, the true self can experience what it set out to achieve, which is full consciousness on the physical plane.

We can just sit back and imagine the numerous ways we can be sidetracked to prevent this goal.




Yes that all is fairly possible, I do not say the Earth was not seeded in several waves so to say but we were here earlier .

These people walking around me are not descendants of monkeys ..



They're merely programmed to think so..



God help me out if it is otherwise , I'd be kinder ..



:panda:

[another bob]

Re: http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=legacy&action=display&num=1179073892

Interesting report, Thanks Agape!

My understanding is that there have been numerous ET outposts established here on this planet down through the billions of years this stage has been floating around in space. One that is currently achieving some mention in the news is this: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text

It's quite likely that we all have ET origins, but even prior to that, what is the Source for the appearance of anything?


:yo:

[zenith]

It's quite likely that we all have ET origins, but even prior to that, what is the Source for the appearance of anything?
Hi Bob,

Eva called it a 'Globe of Light' in this thread,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24013-I-had-a-very-unusual-dream-about-the-origins-of-life&p=253850&viewfull=1#post253850

I prefer 'THE INNER SUN' but I don't think it really matters what you call it, IT IS WHAT IT IS. ;)


Good interview Eva and hope all goes well otherwise.


Peace

[Agape]

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Part 4 ... lots of previously undisclosed information ..hope it's bomb blasting interview ;)

I'm experiencing kind of jet lag at the moment, for lack of better description ..

Wonder what am I expected to do about this anyway .

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New space monster with jet lag :haha:

[Agape]

It's quite likely that we all have ET origins, but even prior to that, what is the Source for the appearance of anything?
Hi Bob,

Eva calls it a 'Globe of Light' in this thread,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24013-I-had-a-very-unusual-dream-about-the-origins-of-life&p=253850&viewfull=1#post253850

I call it 'THE INNER SUN' but it doesn't really matter what you call it, IT IS WHAT IT IS. ;)


PS: Good interview Eva and hope all goes well otherwise.


Peace



I believe we have discussed this in Part 3 a bit ...it's really not easy to discuss ..as previously , we used to be primarily telepathic beings and shared common platform of understanding in our minds that we have experienced as 'one-ness' ,
common consciousness if you may that contained many time more 'knowables' .


So I think there are things albeit plenty of them that we would 'know' commonly without being told, how because the discerning intelligence in us is inborn not acquired .


That itself answers few basic questions


except the jet lag


:angel:

[Agape]

Vis Part 4 this is what I found in newspapers the other day ...


http://www.rt.com/news/laser-beam-ignition-clean-energy-426

Death Star-esque laser to solve power crisis (PHOTOS)

In a project fifteen years in the making, scientists have created a record-breaking laser that could solve the energy crisis for good. The US National Ignition Facility is now one step closer to generating a controllable nuclear fusion reaction.
The American National Ignition Facility (NIF) has entered the encyclopedias by generating a 500 terawatt shot, simultaneously using 192 beams. In simpler terms, that's “1,000 times more power than the United States uses at any instant in time, and … about 100 times what any other laser regularly produces today” says the NIF.
Due to the manner in which the multiple beams converge to focus extreme levels of energy and ultimately power on a specific target, some have likened it to the Death Star, the moon-sized station from the Star Wars movies.
And while not as powerful as the fictional space station's massive death ray, the NIF's ultraviolet lasers will heat their target to hundreds of millions of degrees, thereby “igniting hydrogen fusion fuel in the laboratory and producing more energy than that supplied to the target.”
This, in the long run, would mean controlled fusion, as opposed to the uncontrolled form found in the hydrogen bomb.
The NIF's Initial fears about reaching such heights of laser performance centered on the quality of optics available in the 1990s.
The main fear then was that the available material would not endure the intensity of a laser beam. NIF personnel and their partners worked tirelessly to improve the manufacturing methods and significantly lower the incidence of defects. They also developed "in-house procedures to remove and mitigate small amounts of damage resulting from repeated laser firings."
“It is fully operational, and scientists are taking important steps toward the quest for clean fusion energy,” says NIF Director Edward Moses.
But environmental groups warn that research into fusion will redirect much-needed funding from proven alternative energy technologies such as wind and hydro power.
The NIF is now lobbying for the development of new giant laser facilities in China, France, Japan, Russia and the United Kingdom.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility


National Ignition Facility



http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/hohlraum.htm



:usa2:

[Old Snake]

Agape,

Thank you for the courage to come forward,
when you can find it, The cave of the ancients by Lobsang Rampa,a
recognised incarnation by HH,there a cave full of ET stuff is described.
Not too far out of the way I would say.

Well for the time being we seem to be locked to this planet it seems,
even incarnating here again and again,wich brings up the question;
Were our " souls" damaged too ? So when in spirit we even cannot remember
where we came from,let alone know what we knew before "the accident".
So with no other choice we will choose the "obvious" that what we "know",to go back to that? aka reincarnate here.
A blody tiring prospect, just planned for some eons off after this one :wizard:

Please keep us posted, and in the mean time take good care of yourself,
as it seems you still have a task ahead of you

Best wishes to you

Old Snake



Hello Old Snake ..gosh I'm getting worse & worse in these internet /forum communications... can I call you Henry ;)

**That my dear is absolutely out, Henry is my neighbour me looking south ten meters away , you could have done better without the lag, yet close , so Edward will do;);)**

Thanks for your very kind words .


That's one of the most important questions ...''were 'souls' damaged''. Well, certainly biological information was squeaked and suffered trauma on many levels ,
so also 'souls' or minds of our ancestors .

There was no factual biological duality at start, neither a psychological notion of duality of 'body' and 'mind' , or 'body' and 'soul'.

Biological intelligence is also spiritual intelligence . That's after all where the original awareness of 'One-ness' comes from,
people remember that state but if they are not able to achieve it immediately ( it being our natural, innate state of existence ) because of impossible biological circumstances they subscribe the 'original state' to something / someone existentially different from them .


To put it simply , from the perspective of genetic analysis , each of the thousand who actually survived the disaster and were altered biologically, 'condensed ' to earthly density of matter , adjusted , reminding you it took millions of years of adaptation ..
were in fact 'damaged' , altered in different way . Unique way because Earth is not an example of orderly , organised planet where everything moves in even systems , physically .
As a physical body , Earth is still evolving in that direction ..so it shows lots of harmony and beauty ..but almost the same number of anomalies .


So in that way, those original Beings who looked the same, functioned the same and were far more advanced biologically and spiritually were altered each different way, which in clue gave way to evolution of various human races on Earth,
millions of years later as the successors of these very first human ancestors moved around the globe ,
in very small groups and started their own civilisations .

Some had far better awareness than others so they would become leaders of the group and carers for the sick who were only too many .


After some time again, it became clear what all kind of biological damage had occurred and whether, to what extent it can be recovered and not, how fast etc.

We had no precedence to such events in our history so we also did not have any specific facility/equipment or medicine to exactly recover these people so we had to leave it to nature so to say,
taken we knew we'll have to stay here long time .


It turned clear only with time how much damage and to what effect actually happened .



About books from 'Lobsang Rampa' , they were popular spiritual sci-fi many years ago, I'm sure I've had at least 3 of them on my table and read them quite fast and of course,
you have to understand it's spiritual fiction. The 'real' Lobsang Rampa is someone who lives very isolated life somewhere in the UK , never been to India or Tibet ( in this life ) but keeps dreaming and astral-travelling and writing down his visions.

H.H. Dalailama never endorsed this person as 'lama' , and he's been questioned repeatedly about the authenticity of Lobsang Rampas books , I must say that from traditional Tibetan monks perspective ..

Lobsang Rampa is fiction and extravaganza . It's not to imply there are no 'secrets' in Tibet . Yes there are but not on the level described .



BTW, direct question; does HH have a copy of the pdf, does he know about your experiences?
If so can you share His reactions,
He knows about the cave.




Yes H.H. Dalailama received a copy of the Report , in very protocolar way , was briefed and there was not much time to discuss the events , last November .

This is actual situation so I prefer not to elaborate on the person and circumstances of H.H. Dalailama, he's someone very near and dear to many of us and an example of Being who served as world teacher, peace-maker and freedom fighter as his main job ..so he's also very aware and knowledgable but never claimed to know 'right everything' .



All these can give your account "foot and leg so to speak",
I implore you not to feel to much alone, for one,
and honor your human presence on this planet as well,in all aspects of life.

In the mean time I found out that I have to dream myself back them milions of years to remember our origin, to find the coordinates, so I might have my eons off after all,
or something other useful project



Yet, the main body of science keep denying there's evidence and the main thing, it's almost impossible to explain a thing to someone who a priori does not believe that 'such things ' can happen .
Because in their old boring life between computer desk , morning coffee , afternoon coffee and tv news , adventures seldom happen .




More later and many thanks and blessings on your way ......



Part 3 is complicated but more informative




:angel:
Eva,
Thanks for your overly elaborate answhere.
FYI, I`m in electronics, natural healing & shamanism, a lifetime is not enough,.............. sigh , sigh...........................

Another direct question, and I do not mind wether it takes what it takes to answhere this one: comes:

Eva, do you know on any level wether we could "within earthly tech @ this moment" measure any emanations from the old spaceship or the other "wich might have initiated your experience" ,
So down to earth, in what realm do we have to look for signals, what frequency range, can we find any aberations of magnetic fields say further than one mile of the old ship.

To be honest I have taken some time this afternoon to go over some magnetic recordings ww on the dates of your experience, just minor deviations over 4 days , compared to the rest,
yet there are specific differences.......................

Well anything you can find in your memory on interference with magnetic or frequency wise is welcome , so I might find relative measurements done on this planet.
Where do you think this object is , what province of India?

As to jetlag, I can imagine that for a very tiny bit, just goin back and forth just 200 years + all the traumatic events , though not physical but mentaly+ relived,
You are most couragious!.................

Than I saw part 3&4, ................... Right our electronics is as leaky as a basket, and yes it`s crude, and it is a blody miracle we can communicate this way.
thanks to Mr Heaviside & that other idiot uh.............Lorenz that shoveled up J.C. maxwell`s equations 22 of them, wich left us with only a hand full, and theoretically isolated this earh from the rest of the universe, where J.C Maxwell just had opened a door to,
he believed/conceived the eather was/ is an entity to recon with,(red fumes from me ears by now)

Than something else, in part 4 you set youself up as a "lab bunny"' to have extracted whatever you subconsiously carry, you can do that, as long as it is non invasive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Otherwise you will get screwed more than you ever wished for..........................................

As you hinted youself , science is a drag, in my words more ego than the real stuff.
So watch your steps there.

Indeed we should try to find this ship, and see wether its restorable or better how we can assist it to restore itself, wich should come first,
and yes coming from 4or 5 D ,.................. there are no way`s to express anything from those planes in our langwiches, highout in the dreamtime story`s.....................

Well n òugh for now, do take your time.

My specific best wishes should have reached you before you read this mail.

Kind regards

Edward

[Old Snake]

Mods...................

In my humble opinion this thread needs another place:doh:you deside.

:attention::angel::angel:

[Agape]

Mods...................

In my humble opinion this thread needs another place:doh:you deside.

:attention::angel::angel:


It's alright, there's still Part 5 coming out, it will be more conspirative looking .

Thanks for your questions above , I will reply more properly soon .



:angel:

[Finefeather]

About books from 'Lobsang Rampa' , they were popular spiritual sci-fi many years ago, I'm sure I've had at least 3 of them on my table and read them quite fast and of course,
you have to understand it's spiritual fiction. The 'real' Lobsang Rampa is someone who lives very isolated life somewhere in the UK , never been to India or Tibet ( in this life ) but keeps dreaming and astral-travelling and writing down his visions.

H.H. Dalailama never endorsed this person as 'lama' , and he's been questioned repeatedly about the authenticity of Lobsang Rampas books , I must say that from traditional Tibetan monks perspective ..

Lobsang Rampa is fiction and extravaganza . It's not to imply there are no 'secrets' in Tibet . Yes there are but not on the level described .


I would like to point out that IMO this statement you make of Lobsang Rampa is quite reckless and uninformed. You choose to make a statement about someone you admit you only have read fast and call it spiritual fiction (sci-fi), when millions of people around the world have studied his work, compared it to other writings, and found it enlightening factual and able to be used with definite results. Many have tried to debunk him over the last 50 or so years.
As far as HH Dalai Lama is concerned, how do think he would know LR under the circumstances? He is still also only human and challenged by the human DNA.
I myself trained myself to do Astral Travel using his books and still to this day, 40 years later, work in the astral. After his 'death' on earth I actually met this soul in the spiritual planes.
I suggest you do a little more careful reading from his books and not take the word of traditional Tibetan monks who would know very little about the mission of a man in another country, a mission I might add that was a great success then and still to this day his writings are at the top level of fact.
The point is that no matter who anyone thinks he is or is not, his work accounts for itself and only those who have not studied his work will follow those whose mission in life is to forever find fault without actually knowing the truth.
To best put some perspective on this I have copied a bit from someone else here.
You might want to consider the points made here about the Dalai Lama.
This comes from here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/t_lobsang_rampa-t7573.5.html;wap2=


Dr Bob:
I have been a student of the occult/metaphysics for many years and have had several great mentors. Having studied many books I have found the books by T. Lobsang Rampa to be very well written, complete, and very knowegable.

For just a plain plumber as has been stated previously, this person had knowledge that was way beyond him. Therefore any intelligent person should be able to determine with just a little investigation that these writings were done by someone with a great deal of knowledge.

I must also state from other writings that I have studied, many of the subjects discussed in several of his books, including "My Visit to Venus", which many seem to feel is controversial, I discovered many of his statements to be found in other writings.

To me these other writings have substantiated much of what he has written. An example would be the book written by Alexandra David-Neel called "Magic & Mystery in Tibet". This was written approximately in 1929 and there are several statements and examples she gives which show that T. Lobsang Rampa knew what he was writing about. This writer spent 14 years of her life in Tibet, became a Lama and knew what she was writing about. Read of her account and you will see what I mean. This is but only one of many books I have studied which give Rampas writing creditability. Another writer founded the St Germain Foundation about the same time as above and wrote under the pen name of Godfrey Ray King. Many of his writings also go along with some of Rampa's.

So if one would study various works and I mean a wide variety of them, they would see that many do collaborate Rampa's writings.

Before one condems anothers works they must first study and do their homework. We are all on a path towards enlightment and each one of us has something to add. Rampa is just one who has given much, whether from his own experience or from someone else's experience given to him in thought, does not matter. What he writes about is sound and it works. If you don't believe me then take his writing "You Forever", read the entire book, then go back and practice each part and see if you don't discover that what he says is truth.

I can tell you from my many years of research and teaching the paranormal, having been the co-founder of the American Institute of Parapsychology, that what is written in this book will work for each person that studies and practices.

So what difference does it make if Rampa was a walk in or just a plumber that wrote 30 books that changed peoples lives. How many books can you say that each of you wrote?

So in my opinion the Rampa collection of books are worth reading. Don't ever put someone down just because they don't meet with your expectations. Now keep reading and studying and growing. Good Luck.
Dr Bob

milarepa:
Hi,
In reply to the first post, I 'discovered' Lobsang Rampa's books by 'accident' in a very small bookshop in Belfast. The first book I read was 'Beyond the Tenth' and it is basically not fictional and mainly he discuss's astral projection, as well as diet, enemas', lost civilisations and many wonderful subjects[:D]. I have him to thank for re-inspiring me towards this area of study(astral projection) and since almost all his books where in the shop, I went back and bought 'Doctor from Lsasa', 'The Safron Robe', 'The Rampa Story', and 'Living with the Llama'(which is actually his siamese cat Mrs Fifi Greywhiskers telepathically dictated life story[:D]).
Before this I had read and have studied various books on Tibetan Buddhism and can say that all that he says is thoroughly supported in various doctrines such as 'Tibetan Yoga' translated by E.W.Wentz which is actually seven books on various meditation and yogic practices and has an entire book dedicated to consciouness transferance along with historical references to it's use. The same practice is even mentioned briefly in 'Transform Your Life' by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso and this would be a quite a straight forward, popular, and modern work.
The people that apparently 'proved' that Lobsang was a fraud were a English organisation researching Tibetan history whose only 'proof' that he was not who he said he was asking the present Dalai Llama if he 'knew' him, to which he answered 'I do not recall a monk of that name'. Lobsang even stated in his books that he had to choose a name that suited his and the body which he was to inhabit' harmonic vibration and it more than likely wasn't his original Tibetan name. Also, I doubt that some guy who had an obvious disliking of Lobsang coming up to the Dalai Llama and demanding proof from beyond the grave(as he had supposedly known Lobsang only in his past incarnation)would achieve very positive results.[;)]
I can honestly say that I have thoroughly enjoyed all of his books that I have had the pleasure to read and I am always on the look out for his others. Apart from being a very wise and knowledgable soul, he was very good humoured and a great story teller.
regards

Dr Bob:
We must understand that Rampa also known as Lobsang would not be known to the current Dali Lama since it was the past Dali Lama which knew him. Secondly his name they knew him by was Yza-mig-dmar Lah-lu.
Perhaps the current Dali Lama might have recognized Lobsang had they used the proper name. He only used T. Lobsang Rampa in his books since no one would be able to pronounce or remember his name given to him when he became a Monk. Hope that clears that up.
As the last forum reply states many of the things Lobsang has written about are authentic. The next thing you must think about is that the Plumber he walked into the body of, had little education and was not at all read in the oriental arts or knowledge, however, even the plumbers wife said it was not the same man that returned home after the fall from the tree which put him into the hospital and when Lobsang, who had made arrangements with the plumber, dweller of the body who wanted to depart this world, to take over his body and he did. So from the interview with the wife, it was quite evident, from someone who should know, that this was no longer her husband, but someone different. However, she did like Lobsang and they stayed married.
So please, don't be so quick to judge unless you have done your own research. Just as the last reply, it was a great joy and a help to obtain these books. To receive higher consciousness we can not judge or give false witness. How can anyone on the path throw out slander or judgement unless they are clean themselves in all areas and even then an enlightened being would not. For to do so, would bring them back down to the lower vibration once again.
Tell you what read a book entitled "Initiation" by Elisabeth Haich. It will help you to open your eyes.
Good luck to all of you on the path.
Dr Bob
www.knowledge-download.com/aperfectrelationship
Watch for Dr Bob's new book The Road to Higher Consciousness: an experential journey

Osirion:
Tuesday Lobsang Rampa was an extrordinary author, and a man blessed with a wealth of knowledge.

"the cave of the acients" is a facinating and inspiring book. much like Plato's "the cave", whereas he must journey to a new land and spread his knowledge. something of o horror for a tibet'n monk to have to come to North America and be a spiritual teacher!!!

"wisdom of the ancients" however is an encyclopedia of esoteric knowedge. like a dictionary he explainns many spiritual word definitions like never heard before. And they are ON POINT!

the people who get fixed on who he was, or is, or is going to be does not matter! He is as inspiring as Depak Chopra or Thoth (hermes/mercury/Arlich Volmalites whatever one you know him by), and his constant scientific reasoning for spiritual beliefs is refreshing.

Especially if you know the books are 30-40 yars old. i mean come on the guys even beat Edgar Cayce by 10 years in publishing this kind of stuff. Tuesday Lobsang Rampa is one of a kind.

"don't shoot the messenger" i think thats what lobsang was... only a messenger. judge the message not the vehicle.

SoundMan:
About TL Rampa.
I will forever be grateful to Tuesday Lobsang Rampa; I read The Third Eye when I was 11 years old which set me off on a search for much more. I eventually read all his books and believe him to be a true Lama. As for his claim of taking over the plumber's body, it is a known fact that Marpa the Translator(who brought the spiritual teachings to Tibet) effectively accomplished this several times and Marpa's son who died prematurely (prior to accomplishing his life's mission) also took someone else's body to finish what he had set out to fulfill in his life.
I have applied several of his techniques and have had success. That is all the proof I can ask for.
Thank you Mr. Tuesday Lobsang Rampa for showing me the path.


Love to you on your journey

[Feren]

I had not heard about her. Sounds fascinating.
Anyway, I encourage you to be sceptical. I'll post my opinons later.
Thank you, jackovesk.

[Agape]

I would like to point out that IMO this statement you make of Lobsang Rampa is quite reckless and uninformed. You choose to make a statement about someone you admit you only have read fast and call it spiritual fiction (sci-fi), when millions of people around the world have studied his work, compared it to other writings, and found it enlightening factual and able to be used with definite results. Many have tried to debunk him over the last 50 or so years.
As far as HH Dalai Lama is concerned, how do think he would know LR under the circumstances? He is still also only human and challenged by the human DNA.
I myself trained myself to do Astral Travel using his books and still to this day, 40 years later, work in the astral. After his 'death' on earth I actually met this soul in the spiritual planes.
I suggest you do a little more careful reading from his books and not take the word of traditional Tibetan monks who would know very little about the mission of a man in another country, a mission I might add that was a great success then and still to this day his writings are at the top level of fact.
The point is that no matter who anyone thinks he is or is not, his work accounts for itself and only those who have not studied his work will follow those whose mission in life is to forever find fault without actually knowing the truth.
To best put some perspective on this I have copied a bit from someone else here.
You might want to consider the points made here about the Dalai Lama.
This comes from here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/we...3.5.html;wap2=



Look, I'm not ashamed to say that ....I'd do better service to myself and the community if I play numb and pretend to believe in trolls under my bed, and wormholes in my ceiling and catacombs under Potala filled by Rolce Royces , hell the man is working for Chinese , they always suspected there's 'something' ..

but it escaped them .

And it's always going to escape many people who live in their safe boxes .


I can but tell you that neither the language or the description of events corresponds to reality of how Tibetan Buddhism works from within ,
more less like with many other authors using corrupted sanskrit and vedic terminology and names such as Ashayana Deane ,

such as if it may surprise you works of many great western academics who consider themselves pundits but hold very crooked and flattened views on Hindu , Buddhist, or any other culture .


............


Please forget all the above ..for one reason... I've never told people not to read Lobsang Rampa or anyone in that respect .

Likewise , I can appreciate spiritual impact of arts, books of fiction, do you know any 'books of fact' by the way .


When I read them first time I was not spiritually uneducated but found them inspiring . Can just share that the real path to walk can be much more real .



:hug:

[Old Snake]

Eva,
Take your time , Im not in a hurry , otoh............................. uhm part 5?
Where is it! Iwannah see it now!!!
Ah so much for patience, sigh......................;);)

In the meantime I found out ,half of India`s magnetometers have no data @ time of event,..........

Well whatever, I`ll find more with your information

Edward

[Tarka the Duck]

Thanks for making your conclusions regarding Lobsang Rampa clear, Agape: I concur completely!

I'm all for investigating different approaches through studying a wide range of sources but we do need to be discriminating...reading fiction is entertaining but to believe it to be true isn't helpful.

With assertions such as "There is a God" and the mantra Om Mani Peme Hung translating as "Hail to Man's Overself" , Cyril Hoskins/Lama Lobsanga Rampa makes quite clear that he has no deep understanding of Tibetan Buddhism.

It may be seen as harmless storytelling, but for those who are susceptible, it could lead them down a path of confusion - particularly when he states things such as making prayers for the wellbeing of others is a useless activity and causes more harm than good.

Enjoy his stories - they are fun - but they are only stories!

[Finefeather]

Thanks for making your conclusions regarding Lobsang Rampa clear, Agape: I concur completely!

I'm all for investigating different approaches through studying a wide range of sources but we do need to be discriminating...reading fiction is entertaining but to believe it to be true isn't helpful.

With assertions such as "There is a God" and the mantra Om Mani Peme Hung translating as "Hail to Man's Overself" , Cyril Hoskins/Lama Lobsanga Rampa makes quite clear that he has no understanding of Tibetan Buddhism.

It may be seen as harmless storytelling, but for those who are susceptible, it could lead them down a path of confusion - particularly when he states things such as making prayers for the wellbeing of others is a useless activity and causes more harm than good.

Enjoy his stories - they are fun - but they are only stories!

I am not going to pour much energy into the statements made by you or agape, both are without any real truth, and least of all any wisdom IMO.
If we understand truth, in the spiritual context, as that which is knowledge or experience which forwards or assists or aids a souls journey into light, as opposed to a belief in something, Lobsang Rampa has fulfilled it.
If we are going to make statements about anyone or anything it is always wise to know all there is about the subject.
I have over the years read too many statements by those trying to debunk those they have very little knowledge of, and when questioned always seem to quote a few 'so called' wise saying, to make others think they are informed, which only further proves their ignorance of the subject when you do a little digging.
Both statements made by you and agape have proved to me that your knowledge is questionable about Lobsang Rampa and this indicates to me that either you are just not aware of what his work is about, or your motive is suspect. Your understanding of Buddhism is a little lacking, traditional Buddhism is not totally unlike other religions (I know it is not a religion) as far as the general life is concerned, it is Esoteric Buddhism you need to address to find some answers. The Dalai Lama is head of a vast number of Buddhists in the world and he knows things he probably will not address to the average Buddhist.
So I will just address these 2 statements you make:
"There is a God" : If you do not use the term 'God' for what you probably believe is the 'ONE' or the 'Creator' then you have just chosen to use that which best suits your interpretation of something that few can wrap their minds around with our limited consciousness. Even highly advanced beings find this concept challenging and anyone who debates this is only fooling themselves as to the extent of their knowledge or wisdom.
"Om Mani Peme Hung" (OM MANI PADME HUM), here is what HH Dalai Lama says about it, and I wonder if he would have some, as you state, "understanding of Tibetan Buddhism". I suggest you read this carefully because you certainly are confused about it.


On the meaning of: OM MANI PADME HUM

The jewel is in the lotus or praise to the jewel in the lotus

by His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso The Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet

It is very good to recite the mantra OM MANI PADME HUM, but while
you are doing it, you should be thinking on its meaning, for the
meaning of the six syllables is great and vast. The first, OM, is
composed of three pure letters, A, U, and M. These symbolize the
practitioner's impure body, speech, and mind; they also symbolize the
pure exalted body, speech and mind of a Buddha.

Can impure body, speech and mind be transformed into pure body,
speech and mind, or are they entirely separate? All Buddhas are cases
of being who were like ourselves and then in dependence on the path
became enlightened; Buddhism does not assert that there is anyone who
from the beginning is free from faults and possesses all good
qualities. The development of pure body, speech, and mind comes from
gradually leaving the impure states and their being transformed into
the pure.

How is this done? The path is indicated by the next four syllables.
MANI, meaning jewel, symbolizes the factor of method- the altruistic
intention to become enlightened, compassion, and love. Just as a
jewel is capable of removing poverty, so the altruistic mind of
enlightenment is capable of removing the poverty, or difficulties, of
cyclic existence and of solitary peace. Similarly, just as a jewel
fulfills the wishes of sentient beings, so the altruistic intention to
become enlightened fulfills the wishes of sentient beings.

The two syllables, PADME, meaning lotus, symbolize wisdom. Just as
a lotus grows forth from mud but is not sullied by the faults of mud,
so wisdom is capable of putting you in a situation of non-
contradiction where as there would be contradiction if you did not
have wisdom. There is wisdom realizing impermanence, wisdom realizing
that persons are empty of self-sufficient or substantial existence,
wisdom that realizes the emptiness of duality (that is to say, of
difference of entity between subject and object), and wisdom that
realizes the emptiness of inherent existence. Though there are may
different types of wisdom, the main of all these is the wisdom
realizing emptiness.

Purity must be achieved by an indivisible unity of method and
wisdom, symbolized by the final syllable, HUM, which indicates
indivisibility. According to the sutra system, this indivisibility of
method and wisdom refers to one consciousness in which there is a full
form of both wisdom affected by method and method affected by wisdom.
In the mantra, or tantra vehicle, it refers to one conciousness in
which there is the full form of both wisdom and method as one
undifferentiable entity. In terms of the seed syllables of the five
conqueror Buddhas, HUM is the is the seed syllable of Akshobhya- the
immovable, the unfluctuating, that which cannot be disturbed by
anything.

Thus the six syllables, OM MANI PADME HUM, mean that in dependence
on the practice which is in indivisible union of method and wisdom,
you can transform your impure body, speech and mind into the pure
body, speech, and mind of a Buddha. It is said that you should not
seek for Buddhahood outside of yourself; the substances for the
achievement of Buddhahood are within. As Maitreya says in his SUBLIME
CONTINUUM OF GREAT VEHICLE (UTTARA TANTRA) all beings naturally have
the Buddha nature in their own continuum. We have within us the seed
of purity, the essence of a One Gone Thus (TATHAGATAGARBHA), that is
to be transformed and full developed into Buddhahood.

(From a lecture given by His Holiness The Dalai Lama of Tibet at the
Kalmuck Mongolian Buddhist Center, New Jersey.)

Transcribed by Ngawang Tashi (Tsawa), Drepung Loseling, MUNGOD, INDIA



Walking the Path of Light requires absolute integrity, honesty, honor and the clarity of truth.

My Love to all

[Spiral]

I watched Part 4 again last night, and couldn't help but think a lot of people who have come out recently talking about ascension and changes in our bodies as we ascend, seems very much like what Eva has been saying for years about how these ETs adapted to Earth, only in reverse ?

(apologies for posting in the middle of a discourse )

[Tarka the Duck]

Dear Finefeather

Apologies! It seems I have upset you and that certainly wasn't my intention :eek:

To make my situation clear: I was trying to point out that, if one is interested in Tibetan Buddhism, it makes more sense to me to receive teachings from a more authentic source than Lobsang Rampa...I base that view on having spent quite a few years studying and practising Tibetan Buddhism.

Kathie

[Tony]

OM MANI PEME HUM = Unconditional Love.
It's worthwhile practising it.

[Finefeather]

Dear Finefeather

Apologies! It seems I have upset you and that certainly wasn't my intention :eek:

To make my situation clear: I was trying to point out that, if one is interested in Tibetan Buddhism, it makes more sense to me to receive teachings from a more authentic source than Lobsang Rampa...I base that view on having spent quite a few years studying and practising Tibetan Buddhism.

Kathie
Dear Kathie
I most certainly accept your apology, and thank you for it, from my heart. :)
I really was not expecting it as we all have our own path to travel and I do not intend meddling with your or agape's chosen way.
I felt strongly about this only because we, who seek to serve others, should be flexible enough to move around such potentially harmful talk, as it is widely known of the positive effect LR has had on many around the western world. I know of many who have chosen to move to 'authentic' Buddhism as a way of life, because of him.
When we bring our opinions to the table it should be with unconditional love and not with the intention of widening the gap between us here on Avalon.
We should seek to inform one another, and, not to build up scattered groups who appose each other. This is the way of the very people who challenge us.
I agree with your last statement and that is your choice, and I respect it.

Gotta go now, to watch the final videos by agape :) :ufo:

Love to you and all :grouphug:

[Finefeather]

Dear Eva
Have just completed watching your 4 videos and must say it was most interesting and enjoyable, thank you.
I got the impression that because of the language barrier you might have left out, or have not been able to fully describe all the juicy bits. :)
Will you be doing a translation exercise, where you can maybe readdress the same questions, but answer in your native language, and have someone translate it?
I think you have much more inside but find it difficult to get it across to the English speaker, just make sure you get a reliable honest translator !
Love to you

[Agape]

Dear Finefeather,

I really appreciate your interest and kind words of wisdom, but after reading few of your comments including the latest, I'm really ashamed ..to make any effort of getting any message across to you . Alright ?

Mind is complicated, my mind too is complicated and the topic in question here is not the easiest one to discuss .
I've been around for a while .. answering questions patiently on public forums , it's not my intent or job though,
we are walking the path of discovery if I may ..and walking it side with those who have the need to know .


To your question... no English is not my mother tongue but on the other hand, I am an active speaker from young age ,
I've been in multilingual environment for most of my life and at the time of the Encounter /Event, English was my first language besides Hindi and Tibetan .
I did not have time to 'think Czech' for many years and I keep the convenience of switching between fav language groups when necessary .


It's not psychologically ideal situation but I have really colourful life backgrounds and too many things on my mind to do 'translation exercises' .


In gist , we're waiting to do professional debriefing on the ET Event/data.


There are things I'm most probably not going to communicate distantly .



From what I can do here ..are giving some snippets of information as I see it, as long as they fit in natural needs and interests of public forum.



If once, the information can be systematised, transcribed and recorded with more accuracy which indeed may require some personal work with myself ,

the form of the resultant data will also change ..to something more amazing.




:angel:

[Olam]

Dear Eva
Have just completed watching your 4 videos and must say it was most interesting and enjoyable, thank you.
I got the impression that because of the language barrier you might have left out, or have not been able to fully describe all the juicy bits. :)
Will you be doing a translation exercise, where you can maybe readdress the same questions, but answer in your native language, and have someone translate it?
I think you have much more inside but find it difficult to get it across to the English speaker, just make sure you get a reliable honest translator !
Love to you

Just saying:
It has nothing to do with language!
I can see how Agape is in fact helping us, trying to condense a universe of information, all intertwined as a whole,
into bytes of information that we can process.
Yes I understand its a human communicating to other humans, but the intelligence base from which the info comes from, cannot be fully decoded here on earth.
:p

[Agape]

Eva,
Thanks for your overly elaborate answhere.
FYI, I`m in electronics, natural healing & shamanism, a lifetime is not enough,

Interesting combination :)

Another direct question, and I do not mind wether it takes what it takes to answhere this one: comes:

Eva, do you know on any level wether we could "within earthly tech @ this moment" measure any emanations from the old spaceship or the other "wich might have initiated your experience" ,
So down to earth, in what realm do we have to look for signals, what frequency range, can we find any aberations of magnetic fields say further than one mile of the old ship.


Yes we've been discussing it with friend from biometric lab at Charles University and he's sort of willing to go there , to Bodhgaya,
and we discussed radio waves , what frequency range, I am of that opinion these would be long amplitude waves in case of communication with mothership ,
can't say exactly what range of signals we would expect .

They could measure radiation traces and do spectral analysis of local rocks and minerals .

As you suggested , we can also search for magnetic anomalies .








To be honest I have taken some time this afternoon to go over some magnetic recordings ww on the dates of your experience, just minor deviations over 4 days , compared to the rest,
yet there are specific differences.......................


What do you mean by 'magnetic recordings' of the days ? What sort of differences did you detect please ?






Well anything you can find in your memory on interference with magnetic or frequency wise is welcome , so I might find relative measurements done on this planet.
Where do you think this object is , what province of India?


Well, yes there is a specific occurrence, several of them in fact and those we've discussed in terms of radio waves even though I'm not sure it's plane as that and sufficient information to follow ,
taken that ET technologies are so advanced they are virtually able to take hold and use any primitive equipment that is with you as transceiver .

I've noticed this on two separate occasions in India as I've had few minor encounters there in later time , and altogether I was not in touch with any electronics during those years , following my peace and meditation schedule .

So I mean, on the other occasion ..in Dharamsala I had a digital watch on my window I used as alarm clock :)
Being minimalist at times ..

When this thing occurred at night first and last thing I've noticed were the digits on the watch going completely wild . They just zeroed themselves and run around . I could have dreamed that . I kept the watch till now even though it's difunctional .


I did not keep the FM radio I had in Bodhgaya though . It seemed to be running the next day morning even though I switched it off for night .


The place I could only identify with respect to where I was situated at that time, level bellow ground , in the Mayanmar Buddha Vihara which is the oldest monastery established in Bodhgaya .
So I suppose it was the place ...


Will add some more later









As to jetlag, I can imagine that for a very tiny bit, just goin back and forth just 200 years + all the traumatic events , though not physical but mentaly+ relived,
You are most courageous!


Thank you



Than I saw part 3&4, ................... Right our electronics is as leaky as a basket, and yes it`s crude, and it is a blody miracle we can communicate this way.
thanks to Mr Heaviside & that other idiot uh.............Lorenz that shoveled up J.C. maxwell`s equations 22 of them, wich left us with only a hand full, and theoretically isolated this earh from the rest of the universe, where J.C Maxwell just had opened a door to,
he believed/conceived the eather was/ is an entity to recon with,(red fumes from me ears by now)

Than something else, in part 4 you set youself up as a "lab bunny"' to have extracted whatever you subconsiously carry, you can do that, as long as it is non invasive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

That's right, anyway I do not function if dealt with any other than good way and kind means ....

Otherwise you will get screwed more than you ever wished for

That I can get anyway ..




As you hinted youself , science is a drag, in my words more ego than the real stuff.
So watch your steps there.

Indeed we should try to find this ship, and see wether its restorable or better how we can assist it to restore itself, wich should come first,
and yes coming from 4or 5 D ,.................. there are no way`s to express anything from those planes in our langwiches, highout in the dreamtime story`s.....................


It may take very long time but if I start thinking in terms of thousands of years the whole debate turns usually very impractical .
And there's whole bunch of problems relevant to immediate situation of mankind that need to be alleviated much faster ...

so I also think it's important to discuss the biological data and their outcome and impact for earthly sciences .

It more likely depends on open minded science group willing to take the pain of recording and examine the data from my memory in detail and systematising what can be subscribed to the original ET database of ours .







Well n òugh for now, do take your time.

My specific best wishes should have reached you before you read this mail.

Kind regards

Edward




Dear Edward :angel:




E

[Finefeather]

Yes I understand its a human communicating to other humans, but the intelligence base from which the info comes from, cannot be fully decoded here on earth.
:p

Really? :confused:

[Olam]

Yes I understand its a human communicating to other humans, but the intelligence base from which the info comes from, cannot be fully decoded here on earth.
:p

Really? :confused:

I guess that needs a bit more detail...
I don't think we are stupid or not intelligent enough, rather, its just that it takes a huge amount of studies and time spent learning to fully comprehend the bigger picture of what Agape is trying to explain. I think she is right in saying that she would need alot more than 4-5 hours to explain.
So Im saying essentially the same as you in that she should have more time , but its not about her language skills.

[Finefeather]

Yes I understand its a human communicating to other humans, but the intelligence base from which the info comes from, cannot be fully decoded here on earth.
:p

Really? :confused:

I guess that needs a bit more detail...
I don't think we are stupid or not intelligent enough, rather, its just that it takes a huge amount of studies and time spent learning to fully comprehend the bigger picture of what Agape is trying to explain. I think she is right in saying that she would need alot more than 4-5 hours to explain.
So Im saying essentially the same as you in that she should have more time , but its not about her language skills.

Hi Olam
I get your message about the language skills, it's just that I got this impression, not knowing, at the time, what she said in a previous post about her English.
I still have the notion that she came across a little as if she found it difficult to express what she was thinking, for whatever reason that might be.
My main concern was that if she has all this knowledge inside her, somewhere, how is she going to get it out in a way that would permit a more structured analyses of it, in order that some use could be made of it in the real world.
Without this detail and 'analyses' (if we are capable) her work will just end up as just another imaginative work.
Also since this first started, which I think was in January the 22nd 2002, a long time ago, I have not seen any further development of this event, no new data?. (don't know if I am correct here)
I know, from my own personal experience of visiting a UFO during Astral projection, that these events that we have are often just for our own information and awakening and may not necessarily be some divine download for the benefit of the human race.
Knowing our roots is not really something that I believe is as important now as getting it across to billions of people that we are dimensional beings who have a divine soul and the body is not who you really are. It has a sort of chicken and egg ring to it. When we wake up from our current challenge we can deal with remembering where we came from. If you go tell your neighbours that we all come from some spaceship which broke down on earth some 18 miilion years ago or so, I would guess that they might not invite you to their next dinner part unless you prove to then you have had your medication :) such is life, living in ignorance.
Anyway, I do find her basic message and some of her detail, although sketchy, quite accurate, based on my own experience, this is why I am so interested in what she has to say and technology advancement should be at the forefront of our minds otherwise we just end up with another nice story.
Love to you

[Old Snake]

Eva,

"anomaly"

www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.html
There you can see a variety of measurements done daily,
choose the induction magneto meter,
under the graph, change date to 20020121,
On the new page activate the Bz graph,new page....
On the bz graph you see this ladderlike thing, that one is seldom seen
otoh a similar one is seen @20020131 early in the morning.
Anyway the signal starts @about 1900 UTC, wich is 0030 IST
To the left side of the graph you can see this is absolute longwave I`d say, 0,0 to 5Hz signal maybe
this rings a bell?

Be well.

Edward

[Spiral]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPvJ9KoAiFw

Published on 26 Jul 2012 by megawatts1066

Due to severe edit issues and serious computer failing in the attempt to encode this final part, this Preview only of the section concentrating on Barry King's father, who as part of a British military REME section was asked to investiuagte EBEs ata special Geramn/Nazi R&D facility as the war ended. This means the Nazis had access to EBEs, at least since the 1930s, and they used them for transhumanisation tests during the war. When the main edit is finally encoded, it will be uploaded. But this dry or raw edit will stay up

[Agape]

Eva,

"anomaly"

www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.html
There you can see a variety of measurements done daily,
choose the induction magneto meter,
under the graph, change date to 20020121,
On the new page activate the Bz graph,new page....
On the bz graph you see this ladderlike thing, that one is seldom seen
otoh a similar one is seen @20020131 early in the morning.
Anyway the signal starts @about 1900 UTC, wich is 0030 IST
To the left side of the graph you can see this is absolute longwave I`d say, 0,0 to 5Hz signal maybe
this rings a bell?

Be well.

Edward



Thank you very much, that was excellent idea ;)

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-scmag.cgi?Bz=on&date=20020121


Is there any way to locate the signal by the way ? Could it be 'deciphered' computationally ?


There seems to be 'black zone' in the left part of the graph for several hours before , does it mean anything ?


The time seems to correlate with the event just about well .




:angel:




I have observed the frequency range, the next day in Bodhgaya , identified it at frequency that would vaguely correspond to heart beats , that is somewhere between 1 to 2,5 Hz .

Which seems to be purely 'communication frequency' , sort of resonance between the other /ET dimension and human dimension .

[Agape]

I still have the notion that she came across a little as if she found it difficult to express what she was thinking, for whatever reason that might be.
My main concern was that if she has all this knowledge inside her, somewhere, how is she going to get it out in a way that would permit a more structured analyses of it, in order that some use could be made of it in the real world.
Without this detail and 'analyses' (if we are capable) her work will just end up as just another imaginative work.
Also since this first started, which I think was in January the 22nd 2002, a long time ago, I have not seen any further development of this event, no new data?. (don't know if I am correct here)
I know, from my own personal experience of visiting a UFO during Astral projection, that these events that we have are often just for our own information and awakening and may not necessarily be some divine download for the benefit of the human race.
Knowing our roots is not really something that I believe is as important now as getting it across to billions of people that we are dimensional beings who have a divine soul and the body is not who you really are. It has a sort of chicken and egg ring to it. When we wake up from our current challenge we can deal with remembering where we came from. If you go tell your neighbours that we all come from some spaceship which broke down on earth some 18 miilion years ago or so, I would guess that they might not invite you to their next dinner part unless you prove to then you have had your medication :) such is life, living in ignorance.
Anyway, I do find her basic message and some of her detail, although sketchy, quite accurate, based on my own experience, this is why I am so interested in what she has to say and technology advancement should be at the forefront of our minds otherwise we just end up with another nice story.
Love to you



Finefeather ...


it's exactly the case . Basically , to learn to speak , to give names to something beyond human noosphere is not easy .
It's not only me struggling with terms and names when it comes to UFO and ET encounters.
I've seen pilots and generals asked on their observations were equally 'out of words' at times.

Besides that, I'm not sure if you can empathise and discriminate between what is to be present in real event and what you call 'astral travelling ' as you've described it .

There are many fiction writings, hypothesis from various folks who delved to the information field to some extent and report data of all sorts yes .

I really do appreciate you interest but am likewise concerned that under-informed public can make little if any use of all such data.


We need hand from the research and science community to do more systematic debriefing, recording of information and making any use of it whatsoever.



Not sure this would be public venue anyway and would need lots of time and patience.
I have no intention to report 'astral travelling' to federal government ..that's really like to put me to madhouse category ..so I prefer not to take your comments further ..
I'd better step back from giving any information at all than to end up 'that way' . We all have our limits to what we see as being 'good for mankind' .





Thanks :angel:

[Old Snake]

Eva,
Locating?
Only @ transmission time, by triangulation + special computer program so one needs 3 of these sensors
in 3 different places.


Decipher?
I do not know ,it could be of human origin too,
I hoped the signal patern migh trigger something with you.........................
The black zone says..............no signal, might be a failure of some sorts
So up till now we only have timing.

Q: Did you have other "flashbacks"' ?
Dates?

That year there were some more of these paterns visible
Forexample Jan 31 in the morning?

Q: Observed freq range in Bodghaya,
What exactly did you perceive, be as specific as possible,
How were you feeling,
Than how did you perceive your suroundings?

Q:There is also the posibility it was your own resonance enhanced by the event....?
Q did you feel a difference between your own R and of your surroundings?
If so describe.............

Q:Were there any other persons aware of "the hartbeat" ?


Sorry my dear more q`s than answhere`s from this side.

Sleepwell.

Edward

[Agape]

I find the black zone more interesting . I've accidentally checked August 21 2008 which was the start or an end of Olympic Games in Beijing and guess what ?

It's all black..other days not so. Also noticed increase of diffused frequency pattern .

I think I'd actually confirm that the event had to produce bigger magnetic anomaly , could be the black out ?

It was huge . It's as when you open little worm hole, isolated stargate from one space time to another ..


Well, I really hope someone has right to say 'it's all under control'' :haha:




I have to apologize for not doing quite my homework today but working in that direction ..




E :clock:

[Agape]

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-scmag.cgi?Bz=on&date=20020121

It's interesting. If you check Decembers 31 of consequential years you may find similarity , how ..

on Decembers 31 most people stay home and watch TV. It produces stable and low pattern .. you would say there are fire works but it seems to do no big change .

There are less airplanes in the air on Dec 31s and generally less noise .

[Agape]

Hello Edward , it's incredibly hot here ..storm on the way ..



Eva,
Locating?
Only @ transmission time, by triangulation + special computer program so one needs 3 of these sensors
in 3 different places.


Ah these won't be available for public access . There have to exist radar recordings and satellite scans from the date too ,
it's only of matter of effort and if someone checks the whole database ..NASA, Lansat seem to have some good scans .





Decipher?
I do not know ,it could be of human origin too,
I hoped the signal patern migh trigger something with you.........................
The black zone says..............no signal, might be a failure of some sorts
So up till now we only have timing.






Q: Did you have other "flashbacks"' ?
Dates?

Do you mean , if I dream about it sometimes ? You could find the answer complicated . Its a whole more complicated reality endowed with much broader sense of consciousness than what's we usually 'practise' here but it tends to represent itself as different scenarios ..
I used to dream of 'dimension' where there was peace on earth .. they call it 'Shambhala' sometimes , and many other names .
You can see aged people living there forever , and becoming young again .

I've dreamt of our ancestors living in well equipped 'golden' caves ..it's really too long ago than can be subscribed to any historically described culture .

There's been hundreds of them, thousands of them in our past, human history ..and when I was in Bodhgaya, after the event I realized we are literally walking on top the dust of past cities , thousands of past civilisations.


So old they were that all remains is dust ..

I have had flash backs when standing high in Himalayas and facing the majestic mountains and when i looked at barren wind beaten trees I knew the feeling,
the strangeness of the place how it seemed to us when we landed .

It's still a planet you know ..


I've had also couple of other, minor ET encounters , especially in the following few years in Dharamsala .
I've briefly recorded them and they're posted somewhere in this forum as well , in the Witness section in my old sub-board called ET Origins of Mankind .


I will continue here shortly ....



:grouphug: E





That year there were some more of these paterns visible
Forexample Jan 31 in the morning?

Q: Observed freq range in Bodghaya,
What exactly did you perceive, be as specific as possible,
How were you feeling,
Than how did you perceive your suroundings?

Q:There is also the posibility it was your own resonance enhanced by the event....?
Q did you feel a difference between your own R and of your surroundings?
If so describe.............

Q:Were there any other persons aware of "the hartbeat" ?


Sorry my dear more q`s than answhere`s from this side.

Sleepwell.

Edward

[Old Snake]

Eva,

So you think there is a noetic factor in these graph`s too?:clap2::welcome:

Edward

[Agape]

Why would people make graphs without understanding they have 'noetic factor' I'm wondering ...

:p

[Agape]

That year there were some more of these paterns visible
Forexample Jan 31 in the morning?


I must say I have no idea . It was really strong event . I think I could feel some kind of subtle presence for next few days, about a week and then it was gone, I thought .

I've been in Bodhgaya the following 3 month and though I had great time altogether there was no repetition to the event .
It would be another long story and details to relate ...




Q: Observed freq range in Bodghaya,
What exactly did you perceive, be as specific as possible,
How were you feeling,
Than how did you perceive your suroundings?

Of course, this I've tried in meditation, sitting inside the Mahabodhi Stupa the next day and couple of following days,
I asked myself to 'find the frequency' , because it was still fresh in my memory , working memory so to say and I thought I can focus on its source ..

so what I've got really was like clear perception, when I say clear I have to say it almost always appears as shrouded in white mist to me ,
so in that I saw as if you are looking to another time space, white beings moving very quickly and as if they were communicating very quickly one with the other ..

the trick is , this is merely a result of time-space dilatation . The signal is refracted .

In either case , I could 'receive the information' in between my heart beats .

It's like if you imagine that lots of information , say movie would be suppressed to very small space and it's played to you in matters of seconds, as long as you are comfortable enough to focus in that area .





Q:There is also the posibility it was your own resonance enhanced by the event....?

Definitely , as I've said above, I've still had the frequency in my memory and also , had lots of peace in me that time , because my meditation practise and good people around ..




Q did you feel a difference between your own R and of your surroundings?
If so describe.............

Yes I think I did, I do ocassionally and I'm sort of used to feel different resonance with me from surroundings and more sensitive people can feel that with me too but many times they just 'don't know what is it' .

In Bodhgaya, I remember I was very much with myself for the next few days, week or two also taken the numbers of people in the area . It was really impractical set up to talk to anyone about it .





Q:Were there any other persons aware of "the hartbeat" ?




That's too subtle to ask anyone there, there were many enlightened masters , monks, meditation adepts at the location so there had to be other people inside there and aware of it too ..

I've heard lamas reporting 'mystical experiences' , many , from that year in Bodhgaya ..
but none talking of Starship as I know.

If some do know about it as I suppose some do ..they keep quiet and the communication is very much on spiritual, mind transmission level within the monastery .


There are very ancient secrecy wows attached to all that concerns 'secret tantras' , there are couple of good reasons for that because formerly, they were taught only from individual master to individual disciple .
Nowadays , the same teachings, such as the Kalachakra are given widely but very few people from the thousand headed crowd are supposed to understand the tantra and the meaning ..because even in more ordinary sense, you have to study large number of scriptures ..
so the other people simply come there to receive blessings .


...


E

[Agape]

We had very good time in Bodhgaya, visiting most of the other monasteries , making friends, it's really very friendly place with many unusual people coming to meet from all over the world ..

Then the next two years , I think I talked almost to no one .. that went through to 2004 and I realised I must start talking else I'll turn completely weird ;)

It was not really easy coming out , in any sense .

[Agape]

I also remember I felt surprised with how many people are on the Earth now , compared to how it looked at the beginning ,
the next morning and thought we're still living like in stone age ..

[Old Snake]

Ok Eva some may be pointing to spacetime distortions I agree........................

In that case we have had many visitors since this magnetometer was set up in september2001:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Edward

[Agape]

It would need to be worked on in present time and settings ...

:fish2:

[Agape]

They also have a 'total electron reading chart ' :

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/ashtech/tec.cgi?type=7ut&date=20020119

If you compare the 2002 electron emission chart from January through April to those of other years, the readings in 2002 appear to be high.

[Old Snake]

They also have a 'total electron reading chart ' :

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/ashtech/tec.cgi?type=7ut&date=20020119

If you compare the 2002 electron emission chart from January through April to those of other years, the readings in 2002 appear to be high.

Solar activity was higher that year......................


Edward

[Agape]

It's interesting . I seem to find myself on completely other side of things ...it's all racing somewhere without me ,

see my friends , everyone is so busy with their lives ,

since all this ET thing happened I'm just more or less alone to everything .

What is it all good for .. ET data if humans can not take it in and are avoiding me for the very same reason , it's all upside down.


I think there are about two ways with this, either this civilisation have ears and minds . And hearts .. and are somehow more mature than they were ..or they are not ..


it's upsetting being in the middle of seemingly intelligent civilisation who can not accept truth .


What is so surprising about the Silence ... maybe it's wiser and the only other thing I can do, sit quiet back in the mountains and stop thinking about it . ..




:behindsofa:

[Old Snake]

Eva,

Sum up for yourself ,what you have done for this
All the intervieuws, the big pdf etc ,..............................

As a matter of fact,you my dear have your answhere on your personal queste.

You freely shared your experience, wich is known now over the whole planet,
and I think others should step up to do further research.

This has taken part of your life,
you have freely shared,
you have your personal answhere,
and an unforgettable experience.

Yes you may lean back for a while,
and start doing your normal things again.
Forget about it, you will not............
What you may forget is that this is a civilized civilisation,just barely,........
Intelligent, well I knew bettertimes.............

I would not know what more you can do,
Without keeping on feeling the way you do now.

I would pick up my personal life again
and move on.................

You have taken full responsibility so far.

So you build up your own life again,anew.

Kind regards

Edward

[Agape]

I have my ETs somewhere ...own life ? It's all crashing on me i'm telling you ..

Thank you for your words of wisdom and I bow to your deep understanding ...:angel:

True I just need to be me but can I be me with other humans ? Can not, if they all insist on their ways of seeing it .
It's like a hord of people trying each to convince you they're right and know it all . Scientists and preachers of all faiths alike .

True, in the East people used to be more humble I recon . We're sort of non invasive, we do offerings ... we do leave things at place and go ..


I've done that many times and unfortunately lots of work i've done got practically destroyed not that it was forgotten . Don't laugh at me ;)



I'm in the middle of nowhere with this ... as the war saying goes , it's mist on the left and tanks on the right, straight is fine .. guess I'm not interpreting it correctly .



I may crash to the wall pretty soon with that approach .



Days like that , nights too . It's just like if you go non stop for 7 years ..and you can't stop going till you fall . My nice kamikaze perspective .


Can't sign this even



E

[ghostrider]

I wonder if we were seeded here by accident then ? Time-slip anomaly and stranded space travelers stuck here and adapting to earth's density and creating civilizations and such. If the time-silp had not happened would humans been seeded elsewhere ? What would earth people look like and be like without genetic interference altogether ? Hmmmm ? interesting.

[Spiral]

Heres the updated & finished Part 5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXi2oiT6Wag




Published on 29 Jul 2012 by megawatts1066

In the final part of Eva Zemanova's interview on The Bodhgaya incident, with Miles Johnston, on Human-ET Origins, we discuss the report's author, Barry King, whom I interviewed in 1994 for Bases, now available as Bases One 2010 edition.
King's father was part of a British 'R-E-M-E' unit who was dispatched to investigate a strange Nazi R&D facility at the close of WW2. His father encountered Non Human Beings, some would say EBEs. They were being used for biological energy field modifications of human experimentees from the camps, by the Nazis.
Eva describes why this should be so.
It also plugs right in,to the fact the British and the Germans knew of the E-B-Es, i.e. "Aliens" were known during the war. PreWar data illustrates even earlier German involvement,and thus British Military must have known well before WW2 the Germans had ETs.
Marconi's connection, and his Irish broadcasts, and the strange effects some now notice about the effects of Broadcasting has had on humanity since then, are alluded to here. In simple terms there is a "secondary" signal in broadcasting affecting humanity.

This Edit took weeks of effort to get into the encoded state for upload. The term "Watch Out, Scuttlers About" comes to mind. Consequently the raw preview edit is available.

[Agape]

'The Bodhgaya Event Chatroom'

Preliminary time set for this Sunday , August 12 2012 , 3 pm GMT


It's a Skype group so I don't know any way to link this other than adding your Skype names/IDs to the chatroom and there's plenty of time till Sunday to do that .

Thus, I will be able to answer some of your personal questions more in detail , especially those concerning extraterrestrial origins of mankind, remote human history and evolution of ancient civilisations,
human interaction with ETs , life in the Universe etc.

I hope for people bringing their own insights and experiences with them if they wish to discuss those in group settings.

It's a first 'trial event' of this kind and all my friends are welcome . We hope to do more such group sessions with time so this is the Beginning ..


The group was established with help of some standing and also former members of this forum, Malcolm TheOne and John Parslow and couple of others are helping with the organisation of the event ,

so thanks to them and please lets all connect together on the topic .




:yo:





"Good day to everyone who is enjoying this thread about Eva's/ Agape’s extraordinary experiences contained in the excellent summation of the Bodhgaya event collated and written by Barry King, and the various videos.

For all interested parties we have set up a Skype chat room called: “The Bodhgaya Event Chat Room” in which you will be able to engage Agape with direct questions about her unique experience; she has also asked for people to share their own experiences in the chat room for the benefit and education of all.

For those wishing to take part I would ask that any questions to Eva be brief and concise to give her a chance to formulate her answers so we may obtain the best possible information about her knowledge of this fascinating subject i.e. the real introduction of humanity to this world we call home.

Should you wish to take part in this endeavour; please PM me (Spiral) with your Skype name and email address and I will forward your details to pull you into the Skype chat box. It is anticipated that it will be possible to record all the audio conversations and produce a definitive Q & A document after having some time to transcribe the series. This will hopefully be updated as a downloadable pdf on a regular basis, so that none of the dialogue is lost.

So - here it is folks; your chance to speak to Eva/Agape personally, do come and join us and get all those questions and personal stories ready.

The first provisional informal chat is scheduled to take place on Sunday the 12th of August at approximately 3 p.m. G.M.T

Love to one and all with grateful thanks to Eva. JP"