? Who Is at the Top of all this Evil ?

[Alie]

http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html

This is a link on Cobra's newest Blog Post (http://www.2012portal.blogspot.com/), which might bring clarity about this question ... should anyone be interested.

I am quoting below something that was very surprising ... which ties Jesuits and Zionists via Adam Weishaupt to the BLACK POPE ... who was Hans Kolvenbach, and now is Adolfo Nicolas (according to Cobra).




"The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic Rothschild-controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel today." This is very telling which shows the link b/t Jesuits and Zionists."

[sirdipswitch]

Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

[sidh25]

i think its us

[Alie]

Ok I see where you are coming from, sidh25.

There are many layers of control of evil. Off world - On world. You have to start some where, and for many people it's in this 3D arena.

This thread offers links to interesting info about the BLACK POPE --- it's for those who might not have researched this angle before.

[LarryC]

Well, he is a real person anyway. According to one site:

<< The Black Pope is the ‘President of the World’

He is the most powerful man on Earth, who rule over Maritime Laws (business) . He controls the banking system, Freemasonry and the Secret Services (CIA, FBI, NSA, SIS, MI6, Scotland Yard, Mossad, CSIS, DGSE, FSB). The Vatican owns 60% of all Israel lands and the Land of the Temple Mount for their Third Solomon’s Temple where they want their throneHe is a part of the Arcana Arcanorum controlled by the Papal Bloodlines within the I-Mori. These bloodlines are the omega point of control. >>

There's a video of him speaking, where he looks and sounds fairly benign and sincere -but I suppose if he was really that evil he could pull that off.

http://warningilluminati.wordpress.com/the-most-powerful-man-in-the-world-the-black-pope/

[ghostrider]

who ever it is, George Bush SR is not far behind them.

[Bill Ryan]

Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

[jackovesk]

A 'Breif' History Lesson as to where the 'Power Structure' lays...

The (Devil) is within the Vatican..!

ROMAN EMPIRE rules today DVD1 - FULL - Jesuits & Black Pope !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YsFkDWa_XY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YsFkDWa_XY

Satan In the Vatican


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=JLb6RrVCM3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=JLb6RrVCM3o

The Black Pope: The most powerful man on earth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Byj8e82_68&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Byj8e82_68&feature=related

PS - You can see how 'Vatican' summons & draws strength from these 'Demonic Entities' from the bowels of the Holy City in Rome...

[StarDust]

Pretty astonishing info that COBRA has presented. Finally a lineage chart for the dark side.

[eileenrose]

I tend to go along with this ...about the Black Pope.

I see him as tied to the many Egyptian dynasties that preceded his rule. I've been researching this recently myself. It seems that we've had kings for a lot longer than we are told in schools. More like 5,000 years of being told what to do and by them. I guess they figured (the black pope's and relatives) that if they mentioned they've been running all of this, ie. democracy, communism, fascism, marxism, every single kingdom since the beginning of our history (as I've been reading that there were no Pharaohs* (we use the word incorrectly)...so yes..they were kings too), we might come looking for them...ie. the historic cause of our money ties.

All veeerrryy interesting information...now that it is becoming known.

*So I just googled pharaohs and kings and I got this snip

"The Kings of Egypt were not called Pharaohs by the ancient Egyptians. This word was used by the Greeks and Hebrews, and today is commonly used for the ancient Kings of Egypt. We really do not know how many kings ruled in Egypt, for at times in its ancient past the country was split up, and there were at least several kings at the same time. There was also probably kings who ruled regions of Egypt before recorded history, and in fact, several ancient historians record legendary Pharaohs who became Egyptian gods."

source: http://www.touregypt.net/kings.htm

[ngogly]

The whole evil in this world is hold together by ideology of Jewish supremacy not by some person.

They run all banking system, they made up legal system, they own every major media channel, they run Hollywood, they bought up every important piece of land and used banking system to hijack most of world resources. They finance and filter science, they rewrote whole history, they run at least three different religions - their own religion to have covert army, Christians to have third party supporters and Islam as fanatic enemy. They are like one if they step against gentiles and fight with each other to gain more power. They run alternative media too.

Because gentiles are not allowed to be part of winners club, jews made for them a lot of semi religious and perverted secret organizations. Most of which collect people who have unhealthy mind and turn them into useful idiots, who later fill the important posts in political, military, media and other areas.

It's hard to accept because of falsified history and seems too simple to be true. As long the lie lives, the system functions. System itself is built on human naivety and lack of knowledge (education and learning is opposite to thinking and knowing).

Now, let's face reality, alternative media is organized disinformation and propaganda release channel, made for those who start to question official paradigm.

Basic idea of alternative media is - look for things you can't prove and run in wheel. There are golden eggs in it too but they are shout down.

People are pushed to hunt aliens, reptilians, demons and told a new fairy tale every week.

At same time:
- Financial system strangles people more and more.
- Legal system supports it and protects cabal.
- Police fights against street crimes but never wins because peoples fear of violence makes them support legal system.
- Politicians look for new ways to steal wealth.
- Military works as huge money pump and provides false enemies to us.
- Medical and food industries make you more stupid and dependent on drugs.
- Public media sells more unneeded stuff to you, pushes banking services and demoralizes society.
- Multicult destroys any culture except the one propagated by public media.
- Alternative media makes those who step out of main bubble look even more stupid then they are.
and so it goes on ...

It doesn't mean that aliens or extradimensional beings (whatever they are or this word means) do not exist. It means that stories about them are used to lead our focus away from real problem. Also locking your mind on some secret society or political figure serves the same purpose. Remember, system works for them as long it's hidden.

Aliens who are capable of unlimited space travel do not need our planet resources. If they wanted our ecosystem, they would have it long ago. They may need workers and if so, who knows where all those lost people go.

The existence of unknown lifeforms do not imply that they are destroyers of our civilization. But if they do, then only through our own perverted religious criminals. We don't need a war with whole universe, it's enough to expose human cabal.

---

Personally I think that our civilization preceded by other technologically advanced civilization. Then something happened and we started from the scratch. Also looks like someone inherited "Human Programming Manual", had advantage over others and was able to steal our civilization.

I don't provide any links for proof because observation and thinking are not linkable. Also have no intention to prove or push anything, just opening a new direction for your own observations.

[Tony]

You are only playing games if you think the evil is outside!

The word evil can be taken at many levels.
The 'evil' is....I am!

We tend to exaggerate the word evil as a 'thing' that eats babies for fun, with demonic red eyes, and a drooling obsessive maniacal temperament. These are descriptions found in films and forums. We do this so we do not have to look at ourselves, very closely. We are so quick to point the finger away from ourselves. This makes life too simple, them bad, me good.

But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?

Whatever is observed takes place in our minds...only! We each have our likes and dislikes, which creates great negativity...in our minds. This is only because instead of natural 'being' we created an “I AM”. Which we defend, and in this defence we become aggressive. This is nothing more than Hatred and Aversion, created by our IGNORANCE of our true nature.

IGNORANCE is the EVIL, it is understanding the true nature of IGNORANCE that we can realise our true nature.

Yes, there are demonic entities which enhance our evil ('me first'), but they are not the N.W.O.
The N.W.O are just greedy old men, who too have their evil ('me first') attitude enhanced by demonic forces.

The only way to be free of all this is to realise one's true nature, and not just talk about it!
When realises that one's true nature is EMPTINESS, then there is nothing for demonic forces to prey upon.


Tony...the evil one!

[Kelly]

Emptiness,
A space,
Void of anything,
But filled with everything,
All that can be,
Was and will be,
Devoid of self,
But filled with selflessness,
Inert but aware,
Flexible and tactile
Laughter springs easily,
Tears are not your own,
But meander into others,
A space which is not empty,
A paradox in itself,
But to love all others,
Leave no one on the shelf,
Emptiness,
To feel so whole,
You have to detach from the goal.

[Tony]

Emptiness,
A space,
Void of anything,
But filled with everything,
All that can be,
Was and will be,
Devoid of self,
But filled with selflessness,
Inert but aware,
Flexible and tactile
Laughter springs easily,
Tears are not your own,
But meander into others,
A space which is not empty,
A paradox in itself,
But to love all others,
Leave no one on the shelf,
Emptiness,
To feel so whole,
You have to detach from the goal.


;) Emptiness creates nothing, but everything can arise Emptiness.
Our problem is, that we keep filling up this empty space!;)

[Kelly]

And fill it up we do,
With so many things,
We dont know what is true! :)

[D-Day]

Pretty astonishing info that COBRA has presented. Finally a lineage chart for the dark side.

No offense SD, but IMO the info cobra has presented is far from revelatory.
Such information has been freely available on the internet for many years now.
Researchers such as Michael Tsarion, Jim Maars, Jordan Maxwell, and various others have been talking about this stuff for yonks.
E.g. establishing links between ancient Egypt, Sun worshiping, the royal house of Akhenaton, the Druids, the Royal bloodlines of Europe, Freemasonry, the Illuminati, Judaism, Catholicism, the black pope, Rothschild Zionism, elite banking families etc etc etc.
It's safe to say that cobra has not covered any new territory or offered any groundbreaking information here.
Anyone with a computer, some time on their hands, and more than two brain cells to rub together could've done a little research and come to the same conclusions cobra has.
So yeah, you'll have to excuse me for being less than impressed with this latest effort to demonstrate how "in the know" cobra is regarding such highly suppressed and secret information/knowledge.
Just saying...

[David Trd1]

http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html

This is a link on Cobra's newest Blog Post (http://www.2012portal.blogspot.com/), which might bring clarity about this question ... should anyone be interested.

I am quoting below something that was very surprising ... which ties Jesuits and Zionists via Adam Weishaupt to the BLACK POPE ... who was Hans Kolvenbach, and now is Adolfo Nicolas (according to Cobra).




"The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic Rothschild-controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel today." This is very telling which shows the link b/t Jesuits and Zionists."

......to understand the above this thread must be delved into in depth..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Peace.

[Maunagarjana]

;) Emptiness creates nothing, but everything can arise Emptiness.
Our problem is, that we keep filling up this empty space!;)

I don't want to go too much off on a tangent here, but the term "emptiness" coming from the sankrit word shunyata doesn't really do the concept justice, imo. You have to ask, empty of what? Empty of permanence and empty of a self identity that is independent of all else. Personally, I do not believe any longer in "empty space".

[ngogly]

...
The 'evil' is....I am!
…
But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?
…
Tony...the evil one!

Lot of empty words and back projection - “The evil exist only because you exist”. Typical new-age answer which means nothing, raises lot of mud and blurs or changes focus. Usually propagates that humans have some sort of "original sin" and are "bad" or "evil". Solution is usually provided as some sort of unity, group identity or need to stop exist.

The basic way of masking real crime is bending words and start to argue about the meaning of them.

The bad/good concept is understood by any person, is probably related to our form of experience and have no universal meaning. But remember, we are not talking about some mystical realms, at moment we are talking about evil in our civilization, so religious philosophy is unsuitable.

Jewish supremists want gentiles to have one group entity and that is the ideology behind new-age and multicult nad “kill your personality” ideologies. Also be original through copying Ladi GaGa, your opinions are already formed by Drunvalo Melchizedek or something similar.


We are so quick to point the finger away from ourselves. This makes life too simple, them bad, me good. and then
But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?

By your own philosophy you can only call yourself a bad, not other humans.


When realises that one's true nature is EMPTINESS, then there is nothing for demonic forces to prey upon

Firstly when did barely plausible demons come to play and secondly who proved that bad thing done by evil people are actually related to demons? Looks like a bed time story in catholic school.

Lastly, without bothering my mind what you mean by word “EMPTYNESS”, I and fellow humans are not empty but you can continue with empty platform :D

[Anchor]

i think its us

Nearly.

I think that we humans provide fertile soil for evil seeds to sprout.

What a horrid analogy - sorry - but...

What we need to do is say NO!

Withdraw consent that was given, consent no more.

Root it out.

Let the light chase away those evil things, and for it never to return.

[Tony]

Evil could be said to be a lack of empathy, not being able to see or feel things from another's point of view. That does open up the picture a little to include all of us!

Evil cannot understand compassion. Many of us isolate ourselves, protect ourselves,
project ourselves so we do not have to acknowledge others suffering.

We may even think it's their karma, and nothing to do with me.
We may even think that other people's lives are their synchronicity and have nothing to do with me.

This thinking would be wrong, because whatever occurs in our life, and whoever we meet is a karmic connection. This is to do with karmic debt, and if ignored, IS ignorance.

Evil does not care about others. Are you without fault?

Step inside and take a good look: this is the first step to exhausting evil, and finding peace.

When we enter a room full of people, there are those we are attracted to, those we are not attracted to and those whom we ignore. It's the same on forums. These three principles govern the whole material universe....attraction, repulsion and inertia (ignorance).

We stay here until we find out and realise the true nature of these three evil poisons.

That will be a very happy day!


Tony

[Tony]

;) Emptiness creates nothing, but everything can arise Emptiness.
Our problem is, that we keep filling up this empty space!;)

I don't want to go too much off on a tangent here, but the term "emptiness" coming from the sankrit word shunyata doesn't really do the concept justice, imo. You have to ask, empty of what? Empty of permanence and empty of a self identity that is independent of all else. Personally, I do not believe any longer in "empty space".


Empty of any elaborations...lucid clarity....pure perception.....just being.... Pure knowing.

[Kelly]

Emptiness does not mean killing your personality, nor is it new age.
Yes, there are forces at work out there, making our lives impossible and hard, when all we really want, is to live in peace, but where does the peace start and end?
With you.
With me,
With all of us.
Inside.
In that space, your space.
Being empty does not mean being vacant or vacuous,
It means being aware of your nature, everything inherent is within you, the good the bad the evil the ugly the beautiful, all are projections which arise within ourselves, but are not ourselves.

[Tony]

...
The 'evil' is....I am!
…
But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?
…
Tony...the evil one!

Lot of empty words and back projection - “The evil exist only because you exist”. Typical new-age answer which means nothing, raises lot of mud and blurs or changes focus. Usually propagates that humans have some sort of "original sin" and are "bad" or "evil". Solution is usually provided as some sort of unity, group identity or need to stop exist.

The basic way of masking real crime is bending words and start to argue about the meaning of them.

The bad/good concept is understood by any person, is probably related to our form of experience and have no universal meaning. But remember, we are not talking about some mystical realms, at moment we are talking about evil in our civilization, so religious philosophy is unsuitable.

Jewish supremists want gentiles to have one group entity and that is the ideology behind new-age and multicult nad “kill your personality” ideologies. Also be original through copying Ladi GaGa, your opinions are already formed by Drunvalo Melchizedek or something similar.


We are so quick to point the finger away from ourselves. This makes life too simple, them bad, me good. and then
But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?

By your own philosophy you can only call yourself a bad, not other humans.


When realises that one's true nature is EMPTINESS, then there is nothing for demonic forces to prey upon

Firstly when did barely plausible demons come to play and secondly who proved that bad thing done by evil people are actually related to demons? Looks like a bed time story in catholic school.

Lastly, without bothering my mind what you mean by word “EMPTYNESS”, I and fellow humans are not empty but you can continue with empty platform :D



You have a right to your opinions.

[Maunagarjana]

Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.

I'm not even sure really what people mean when they say "demonic". It's a problematic word for me....only surpassed by the words "god" and "love", which can be interpreted in so many ways. The history of usage of demon/daemon has morphed over the millenia and only has taken on a negative connotation late in the game. The way I see it, one might as well be saying "Goblin" or "Fairy" when they use that word. What does it really mean? I mean, other than "something hostile that is not completely understood". Are we talking about astral beings, extradimensionals, ultraterrestrials, extraterrestrials, all of the above, something else? Sorry for the rant, but I wish we would could just delete the words "demonic"/"demon" and coin a new word that is very clear and precise in it's meaning that doesn't have so much baggage.

[ngogly]

Yoy have a right to your opinions.

Yes, I have and I used it, so did you.

[Eram]

Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

I would sure be interested to learn what else you can say about this subject sirdipswitch... :)


...]

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

What an interesting man.
For some reason I've never read into his work or listened to him.
Science, spirituality, whistle blowing and pointing us to learn about who we truly are... Sounds like my favourite kind of guy.

You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.

[Bill Ryan]

Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

I would sure be interested to learn what else you can say about this subject sirdipswitch... :)


...]

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

What an interesting man.
For some reason I've never read into his work or listened to him.
Science, spirituality, whistle blowing and pointing us to learn about who we truly are... Sounds like my favourite kind of guy.


Also listen to Part 1! (Part 2 is about nutrition and wellness, and Part 4 is just 10 minutes.)

I've watched/listened to Parts 1 and 3 seven or eight times through -- literally -- and I get more out of it each time. The information is so dense... "Dr Bill" (as he is known) was way ahead of his time.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461


You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.I agree. It seems to be a paradox, but I think it works like this.

We're probably going to be okay because we're alert and informed. Just because we 'know' that all will be fine, this does not mean that we don't have to do a lot of real-time work between now and then.

It's like a football player having a vision that they're going to win the cup (or an olympic athlete "knowing" that they'll win the gold medal). They still have to get up early, train, take care of themselves, work with their coach... and then, ultimately perform. Then their vision will come to reality.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So self fullfilling prophesy, becomes self fullfilling remedy if i understood this correct, even on the largest imaginable scale, thats makes a lot more sense since it also works like this on a personal level, now MAGNIFY. (please).

And in the meantime we will still be in some mayor doodoo, anybody has any clue how long this doodoo will last, until cleanup is complete, i could really use some good news on this one.

Thanks

Ed

[Kindred]

What all this says to me is simply:

"Be the change we wish to see in the world" (paraphrased Gandhi)

and:

"Let thyne eye be single, and thy whole body shall be full of Light"

WE are who we've been waiting for.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Mu2143]

Dr Deagle - Conspiracy Con 2010 (Predictions , Prophecies & The Transformation of Mankind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdri2hRgT04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdri2hRgT04

Dr Deagle - The Edge - June 3th 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7zqT1aFPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7zqT1aFPg

[Cartomancer]

i think its us

What a great point of view. The game would be nothing if we decided not to play.

With that said I think that a priesthood is behind all of this. The ultimate string pullers probably have no value of wealth and fame and use those concepts to control those that are obviously involved. There is a hidden hand out there that goes beyond the Vatican or the Masons.

[Maia Gabrial]

The (Devil) is within the Vatican..!

That IS the last of the 3 sealed prophesies that St Bernadette gave. Guess who collected them back then? The current pope!

[Cartomancer]

The (Devil) is within the Vatican..!

That IS the last of the 3 sealed prophesies that St Bernadette gave. Guess who collected them back then? The current pope!

Interesting views in light of this Tom Horn interview on Red Ice Radio. Here he discusses the Prophesy of St. Malachi. The prophesy states that the next pope will be the last before the tribulation.

Ayvksfg-abw

[turiya]

And fill it up we do,
With so many things,
We dont know what is true! :)

We can only know what it is not.

-*-

[Eram]

You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.I agree. It seems to be a paradox, but I think it works like this.

We're probably going to be okay because we're alert and informed. Just because we 'know' that all will be fine, this does not mean that we don't have to do a lot of real-time work between now and then.

It's like a football player having a vision that they're going to win the cup (or an olympic athlete "knowing" that they'll win the gold medal). They still have to get up early, train, take care of themselves, work with their coach... and then, ultimately perform. Then their vision will come to reality.

I'm glad to hear that you are positive about the future Bill. I didn't know that actually.
You touch so many people that it would be a shame if you weren't.

Another thing about this paradox might be that the poor people who are caught up in the game and delusion of controlling this planet are not aware of all the information. They have the technology, the means and the info to control us and to know stuff about the future or possible futures, but there's a lot that they are missing. Maybe they don't know about who's running the show in the end and about its planned purpose with us and the means that it has (Humanity waking up for instance ;)).

What you said about doing the things necessary: That feels very true too.
I have been trying to ad a new chapter to the book of 'LAZY' in the past 18 years, but since about 2 years there is this urge to stop playing games and get real. Learn what is to be learned, let go of what needs to be let go of, develop what needs to be developed etc.
It's like when I was 17 and I smoked lots of weed, when a inner voice told me to 'quit... or walk a path in life that wasn't my first of choices when I came here' for the rest of my life.
I immediately sobered up and never touched it again.
So now is the time to stop playing games, but in a playful manner to avoid being dragged down in the pits of seriousness to add another paradox.

warmest regards,

Waky

ps: thank you for the vids about Dr Bill.

[sirdipswitch]

Scientific fact, is based on repeatablitiy. But, it must be done "precicely" as previously done, to become an achievable possiblity.

Communion with High Self/Source, has been achieved by the layman, without any religeous dogma to hamper the outcome.

It was achieved more than 30 years ago, by a man who knew nothing more aout it, other than it might be possible.

Since that time, he has written 2 books about it, and collected more than 16,000 testimonies of other people that do it also.

"Adventures Beyond The Body", and "The Secret Of The Soul"; by William Buhlman

You need nothing more, nor no-one else, to achieve communion, with HS/Source, than these two books.

I did it... YOU can do it...

Or, you can just keep on keepin on with all of this psycho babble B/S

Love and Peace
sirdipswitch

[Marsila]

Hello, this is a very good debate and i could not resist adding my own thoughts.

But i have to ask...what is really evil?

does calling someone else evil instantly make you a goody?

That seems to be the plan programmed into our minds despite us knowing it to be strange. This person was called evil let us check them out...and all attention away from the accuser.


so many evil people (in the sense of caring about only themselves and making other lives hells out of spite they themselves can't explain, failing to be empathic) call good people evil.

i've seen very bad people call those who are about to expose them for who they really do, evil lairs, simply to make sure anything that later comes out of their mouth is questionable. the almost real truth seeking person 'defensive' when they were just about to be 'assertive' about 'waking' some people up. of course the name caller always does it in the name of 'truth'....look at what happens in the media when someone finally takes a real stand on those we label the controllers. and unfortunately half the time we like herds of cattle being directed on where to go, may believe it...if only for a second.

The paranoia about being labelled evil when a person is not is...unbelievable. everyone forgets words like evil,good,lies, truth(truth and reality are different), great, bad, ugly, gorgeous etc etc etc are just labels...what about the content? unfortunatley no short cut, you have to taste it to know what it really is.

when a chaneler (and half of them who charge people an arm and a leg for either readings or products) is telling you hate this person and that but not this guy as they like them, as they are in touch with higher self but your not....isn't the whole deed evil actually, compared to someone who'll tell you to follow your own path?

so again just because we call the other end evil, does it make us any better...do we pat ourselves on the back now as 'they are the evil one's' and bake some cookies for each other and chat about our light and how good we are? because of course we are all 100% good?

when we actually start noticing the good and evil within us, instead of just pretending we are good all the time...isn't that when we are more aware of ourselves and our actions, that we finally start 'doing' good instead of just feeling 'good' about ourselves?

okay just had to add this which is the 100% pure opinion of my sometimes evil sometimes good but mostly in between self.

Thank you for this good debate again!

[humanalien]

Evil could be said to be a lack of empathy, not being able to see or feel things from another's point of view. That does open up the picture a little to include all of us!

Evil cannot understand compassion. Many of us isolate ourselves, protect ourselves,
project ourselves so we do not have to acknowledge others suffering.

We may even think it's their karma, and nothing to do with me.
We may even think that other people's lives are their synchronicity and have nothing to do with me.

This thinking would be wrong, because whatever occurs in our life, and whoever we meet is a karmic connection. This is to do with karmic debt, and if ignored, IS ignorance.

Evil does not care about others. Are you without fault?

Step inside and take a good look: this is the first step to exhausting evil, and finding peace.

When we enter a room full of people, there are those we are attracted to, those we are not attracted to and those whom we ignore. It's the same on forums. These three principles govern the whole material universe....attraction, repulsion and inertia (ignorance).

We stay here until we find out and realise the true nature of these three evil poisons.

That will be a very happy day!


Tony

Don't forget that God created all things. There-fore God
created evil/evilness.

Without God, there would be nothing that exists now.

[noxon medem]

- Post erased (edited) by me.

Misunderstood the question.
( have a problem with perceived duality, sorry ..).

nm

..
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[778 neighbour of some guy]

Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

I would sure be interested to learn what else you can say about this subject sirdipswitch... :)


...]

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

What an interesting man.
For some reason I've never read into his work or listened to him.
Science, spirituality, whistle blowing and pointing us to learn about who we truly are... Sounds like my favourite kind of guy.


Also listen to Part 1! (Part 2 is about nutrition and wellness, and Part 4 is just 10 minutes.)

I've watched/listened to Parts 1 and 3 seven or eight times through -- literally -- and I get more out of it each time. The information is so dense... "Dr Bill" (as he is known) was way ahead of his time.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461


You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.I agree. It seems to be a paradox, but I think it works like this.

We're probably going to be okay because we're alert and informed. Just because we 'know' that all will be fine, this does not mean that we don't have to do a lot of real-time work between now and then.

It's like a football player having a vision that they're going to win the cup (or an olympic athlete "knowing" that they'll win the gold medal). They still have to get up early, train, take care of themselves, work with their coach... and then, ultimately perform. Then their vision will come to reality.


(min 55.43 of part three, top video in Bills post of Dr deagle) Chidruaq Hadruaq ?? Dont know if i pronounce this correct but it sound very much so like Kwisatz Haderach ( DUNE), that rang a bell for sure with me ( This is where Paul Atreides ( Muad Dib) becomes the living man god, he who can look everywhere ( previous lives, times, futures, past all at once) or something like that, i dont recall exactly), makes me think of the books of Dune from a whole new perspective, Frank Herbert just became a very wise sly cat in my view by slipping this in his books, this is not common knowledge at all.

Thanks for posting this Bill.


WOW:eek:

[Bill Ryan]

(min 55.43 of part three, top video in Bills post of Dr deagle) Chidruaq Hadruaq ??

Shadrach Hadrach. :)

[K626]

i think its us

Nearly.

I think that we humans provide fertile soil for evil seeds to sprout.

What a horrid analogy - sorry - but...

What we need to do is say NO!

Withdraw consent that was given, consent no more.

Root it out.

Let the light chase away those evil things, and for it never to return.

For a very long time the unknown and the darkness and things beyond our ken was called evil. It was just that we didn't understand it's workings or its purpose. Our own mythology is full of it.

love

K

[778 neighbour of some guy]

(min 55.43 of part three, top video in Bills post of Dr deagle) Chidruaq Hadruaq ??

Shadrach Hadrach. :)

Well, it sounded a lot like something i thought i recognized, thanks for clearing it up for me, do you think there is a connection there with the Dune story in this ( the fremen ( us in this case)waiting for their messiah who would teach them them they are all powerfull themselves, also the planted myth/ prophesy by the Bene Geserit Matriarchy of the coming of this messiah, it all feels very familiar when Dr Deagle tells his story about his lebanese (desert origins) of his family.

Also the nuclear war part (stone burners in the Dune saga) where Paul got blinded by radiation starts ringing bells, with the war drums beating in the middle east these days.

Thanks for taking the time to translate ;) ( i just saw a picture in my mind of you listening very intensely to the dr Deagle video and skipping to the second he said it, very funny)

[K626]

I immediatlely thought of Dune as well. Of course the water could be a metaphor for oil. ;)

love

K

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I immediatlely thought of Dune as well. Of course the water could be a metaphor for oil. ;)

love

K

Funny eh, somehow thhese words spoken by Paul Atreides aka Muad Dib aka Kwisatz Haderach aka the Worm come to mind, he who has the power to destroy things has the power over the universe ( or something like that) i believe he said it when he was in his worm stage.

Sorry for taking the thread off topic, back to topic.

[music]

Cthulu, I thought everyone knew that?

[Alie]

Thanks to all who have participated on this thread. It's quite interesting to see where I was going with the topic and where others have taken it.

I do understand that there are different dimensions that are being discussed, but I have to say that I am walking/driving/experiencing on this planet as a human with my 5 senses. So when I use the word EVIL, I am writing about the opposite of what I've experienced as goodness or kindness.

Perhaps there's a "heavenly" battle of good and evil "in space" somewhere or inter-dimensionally ... but there is ILL WILL perpetrated upon mankind every minute of every day that some person is feeling. In my naivety :), I created this post because I would like it-EVIL- to be exposed on this planet. If exposed, perhaps there would be the opportunity to spread GOOD WILL everywhere.

Yes ... I know ... do it one person at a time (and I do). Still ...

[Anchor]

For a very long time the unknown and the darkness and things beyond our ken was called evil. It was just that we didn't understand it's workings or its purpose. Our own mythology is full of it.

Thanks,

I expect that we can all understand this to some extent, but how many have been able to more fully penetrate the deception that was layered on top of an already functioning illusion - one that we forgot that WE created? My God how sophisticated it is and here we are, tearing through it nonetheless!

Based on what I see and know, which is *my* delusion at this current point in time, I see that evil is just the operation of freewill and intention but simply one that is motivated in a way that is not wholly aligned with the one that I have decided is the correct course for me, namely that of loving others a little (but not that much) more than myself.

I suggest that "awakening" is the degree that you consciously understand that you are powerful and that you have free choice. I think it is also the degree to which you see, discern and categorize motives (of yourself and otherselves); also hand in hand with all that, the level of responsibility that you consciously/mindfully assume when deciding what to do or not to do.

At the point where you basically realize that choice is freewill, for good or evil, and you can see that this was all a scenario in which you get to experience a complex context in which you can make the biggest choice of all: do I love others more somewhat more than myself, or do I love myself to the almost complete exclusion of others then you are pretty wide awake.

I made mine, as it turns out, I made it a long time ago!

I have found that after this "awakening" fear drops away. Separation drops away. No longer do you have to fall for the tricks to the same degree you did before, you can decide yes or no, and what to do or not to do.

Such an awakened entity is knowingly sovereign. It can stand its ground in full self authority and say YEA or NAY as it see fit - and if it turns out it has been deceived it will take full and conscious reckoning of that and accept responsibility, it will forgive itself and the deceiver and move onwards having learned a lesson.

Such an entity can love an evil entity and respect what it is and why it is motivated the way it is, and furthermore know that it can only obtain from itself, that which it gives to the evil entity.

The maxim "Let he who would be deceived be deceived" is just another way for looking at freewill on this scale.

If I were an evil man, the world right now remains a target rich environment for me to do what I want to do to help myself become empowered at the expense of others.

If I were a good man, the world right now remains a target rich environment for me to help myself and others expand in love for others.

It will not always be this way because the cycle we are in is ending, but as it does so the intensity is expected to increase. The river flows faster. The "dangers" and the speed of cause and effect quickens.

Observe this game of freewill and motive. Once you understand your eternal nature and the nature of your incarnation and attachments - the "importance" of certain "game elements" of what is going on sub sides and one can be about doing what ones true nature has chosen to do. Mostly chopping wood and carrying water - as before in our own ways.

[Mitm]

Hi Guys, according to the Anastasia material, "WHO" is on top, is the 6 priests, of which her grandfather is one of them.. However in Book 7, the head priest agreed to follow Anastasias plan to make the world a better place, by following her suggestions, about spiritual food growing, Kins domains, etc.. . Megre also mentions in one of the later books about how the 'dark forces' on earth are actually a clique of Zionist people.. who 'were' taking orders from the priests... Now however the system is running on its own momentum, and has been for more than 5 years... Anastasia does talk about the 'dark forces' which definitely could be the 'archons' that are talked about, but more likely these archons are actually a creation of ancient Man, and the original High Priest, who took power about 10,000 yrs ago, just to prove to God that Man was an imperfect creation... Anastasia does talk about there being Aliens 'out there' though no creation is as powerful and as harmonious as Earth and Mankind.. We are so powerful, that if every person intended there to be a second sun, it would appear... this is the power of thought that the creator has imbued within us... And so its seems only Love = which is THE most powerful force in the universe can heal this world and make it into a garden paradise... So I guess not only is this Zionist cult responsible for the ills of the world, but we, each and every one of us, is equally responsible, because of the system that we give energy to....

[truth4me]

Very simple. Spirituality is the key not religion but good sound basic spirituality. The first thing to spirituality IMO is that creation itself is above everything for creation is constantly growing. We here on earth and everywhere in the cosmos is below creation.....

[turiya]

Evil could be said to be a lack of empathy, not being able to see or feel things from another's point of view. That does open up the picture a little to include all of us!

Evil cannot understand compassion. Many of us isolate ourselves, protect ourselves,
project ourselves so we do not have to acknowledge others suffering.

We may even think it's their karma, and nothing to do with me.
We may even think that other people's lives are their synchronicity and have nothing to do with me.

This thinking would be wrong, because whatever occurs in our life, and whoever we meet is a karmic connection. This is to do with karmic debt, and if ignored, IS ignorance.

Evil does not care about others. Are you without fault?

Step inside and take a good look: this is the first step to exhausting evil, and finding peace.

When we enter a room full of people, there are those we are attracted to, those we are not attracted to and those whom we ignore. It's the same on forums. These three principles govern the whole material universe....attraction, repulsion and inertia (ignorance).

We stay here until we find out and realise the true nature of these three evil poisons.

That will be a very happy day!


Tony

With respect, pie'n'eal.

We indeed are attracted to some, repelled by others, and indifferent to many more.
But these patterns are set-up early in our lives - mostly from conditionings that have been done to us during the years of childhood.

A simple thing as the shape of the nose, can be enough to trigger any one of the reactions - attraction, repulsion or indifference. Perhaps, it has a similar shape to the nose of a loving, caring aunt or uncle that triggers the attraction mechanism. Or, the nose may resemble the nose of a overly-strict disciplinarian parent or school teacher, then repulsion will be the result.
When we enter a room with people, there are a thousand and one things that contribute to the selection process that occurs within a split-second frame of time.

Understanding where this comes from, how & when this pattern is set-up for ourselves, this is part of knowing one's self.

Goodness cannot be defined without there also being evil.
There cannot be someone called 'sinner' without there also being someone that is called 'saint'.
In fact, its the saint that creates the sinner.
The do-gooder, creates the evil-doer.
They are both needed in order for these to be defined.
The fact of the matter is that man is both - good & evil.

The attempt to accept that one is only good & to deny that one is also capable of doing evil - now this creates much of the problems. This creates a division within man. It is denying a total acceptance of oneself. Acceptance of oneself is not total, but only partial. One becomes split & fragmented within.
Then one accepts himself as being only the good part, and points to someone else as being the bad. Its that damn neighbor down the street who is the evil one.

In order to know what compassion is.
One will have to know what indifference is.
To know what it means to be evil, one will have to go beyond just an intellectual understanding of it.

To really know what evil is, one will have to experience evil for oneself...
To find out where that road goes... to know very well that it will take you to hell.
One needs to take it to the marrow. To the very bone. In order to learn it well.
To know the lesson well enough to know that its a choice that one would rather not make for himself ever again.
This understanding can only come through the experience of it - not to be intellectualizing about it, but to live it & learn it.

Because, it is only a seasoned traveler that can be authentically compassionate, genuinely empathetic.

Good & evil are not opposites to each other.
They are complementaries of each other.
They both sit on the same good/evil spectrum.
And man/woman is both - good & evil, together.
Empathy arises only out of experiencing both extremes of the good/evil spectrum.

Cheers -*-

[jookyle]

The problem isn't individuals. The ruling class is able to be the ruling class because of their material conditions. The problem is the system which allows them to exist. It doesn't matter if their aliens or humans the method is the same.

[Tony]

Evil could be said to be a lack of empathy, not being able to see or feel things from another's point of view. That does open up the picture a little to include all of us!

Evil cannot understand compassion. Many of us isolate ourselves, protect ourselves,
project ourselves so we do not have to acknowledge others suffering.

We may even think it's their karma, and nothing to do with me.
We may even think that other people's lives are their synchronicity and have nothing to do with me.

This thinking would be wrong, because whatever occurs in our life, and whoever we meet is a karmic connection. This is to do with karmic debt, and if ignored, IS ignorance.

Evil does not care about others. Are you without fault?

Step inside and take a good look: this is the first step to exhausting evil, and finding peace.

When we enter a room full of people, there are those we are attracted to, those we are not attracted to and those whom we ignore. It's the same on forums. These three principles govern the whole material universe....attraction, repulsion and inertia (ignorance).

We stay here until we find out and realise the true nature of these three evil poisons.

That will be a very happy day!


Tony

With respect, pie'n'eal.

We indeed are attracted to some, repelled by others, and indifferent to many more.
But these patterns are set-up early in our lives - mostly from conditionings that have been done to us during the years of childhood.

A simple thing as the shape of the nose, can be enough to trigger any one of the reactions - attraction, repulsion or indifference. Perhaps, it has a similar shape to the nose of a loving, caring aunt or uncle that triggers the attraction mechanism. Or, the nose may resemble the nose of a overly-strict disciplinarian parent or school teacher, then repulsion will be the result.
When we enter a room with people, there are a thousand and one things that contribute to the selection process that occurs within a split-second frame of time.

Understanding where this comes from, how & when this pattern is set-up for ourselves, this is part of knowing one's self.

Goodness cannot be defined without there also being evil.
There cannot be someone called 'sinner' without there also being someone that is called 'saint'.
In fact, its the saint that creates the sinner.
The do-gooder, creates the evil-doer.
They are both needed in order for these to be defined.
The fact of the matter is that man is both - good & evil.

The attempt to accept that one is only good & to deny that one is also capable of doing evil - now this creates much of the problems. This creates a division within man. It is denying a total acceptance of oneself. Acceptance of oneself is not total, but only partial. One becomes split & fragmented within.
Then one accepts himself as being only the good part, and points to someone else as being the bad. Its that damn neighbor down the street who is the evil one.

In order to know what compassion is.
One will have to know what indifference is.
To know what it means to be evil, one will have to go beyond just an intellectual understanding of it.

To really know what evil is, one will have to experience evil for oneself...
To find out where that road goes... to know very well that it will take you to hell.
One needs to take it to the marrow. To the very bone. In order to learn it well.
To know the lesson well enough to know that its a choice that one would rather not make for himself ever again.
This understanding can only come through the experience of it - not to be intellectualizing about it, but to live it & learn it.

Because, it is only a seasoned traveler that can be authentically compassionate, genuinely empathetic.

Good & evil are not opposites to each other.
They are complementaries of each other.
They both sit on the same good/evil spectrum.
And man/woman is both - good & evil, together.
Empathy arises only out of experiencing both extremes of the good/evil spectrum.

Cheers -*-


I agree with you, we have an enlightened nature and an endarkened nature, understanding this is of paramount importance.

( Unfortunately I've written about this several times in depth, but posts get lost in the past. There are many aspects to a topic and if one tried to put everything in on one thread, it would become one volume of many. The biggest problem with forums is the different levels of understanding and what people are interested in. One can put over a theme very simply, and it get ignored. If one tries to cover many angles, it is too much to take in........ life is indeed frustrating! So most thread just end up repeating themselves, just going round in circles.....that's life for you!);)


All the best,
Tony

[7eagle14]

It's like a football player having a vision that they're going to win the cup (or an olympic athlete "knowing" that they'll win the gold medal). They still have to get up early, train, take care of themselves, work with their coach... and then, ultimately perform. Then their vision will come to reality.

:offtopic:
Point of Interest/Correction. In football the final match is called the Super Bowl. :to_pick_ones_nose:

[The Truth Is In There]

you are at the top.

good and evil are only a matter of perspective.
without judgement everything just is.

the creator is everything...good and evil.
we are the creator. we are everything.

god is satan. satan is god.
the arch-on is the arch-angel.
jesus is the morning star.
lucifer is the morning star.
jesus is lucifer is the light is knowledge is enlightenment.

the "evil" ones (just like the "good" ones) are merely other aspects of yourself so don't condemn them.
instead, try to understand them and their purpose.

[SkepticSoul]

As I understand it right now it's like this

There's an energetic entity 'piggy-backing' off of our consciousness. How do they do this? they parasite off the 'human behaviour patterns' that come from the 'gut feeling'. What is that gut feeling? it's mostly fear based feelings that rise in the solar plexus totally ignoring the heart.
How do we get rid of this 'evil energy' riding on our backs? We CHANGE our behaviour, towards oneself and then towards others.
If that energy can only parasite off of 'the fear vibrations' then what we all must do on an individual level is connect to the heart and truth vibrations.

[araucaria]

The (Devil) is within the Vatican..!That IS the last of the 3 sealed prophesies that St Bernadette gave. Guess who collected them back then? The current pope!

Lourdes and Fatima were debunked by none other than Pope John Paul I (the First), who also debunked Moses and his old testament by checking him out in Egypt!

The Fatima message was read and binned by Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul I before the Polish guy got hold of it.

On this basis, I would have grave doubts about anything "St Bernadette" is alleged to have prophesied.

I get my info from Lucien Grégoire's Murder in the Vatican based on the life of John Paul I, a strange mixture of a life of a saint and conspiracy theory in spades - covering with great circumstantial detail thirty (30) likely murders, how, when and by/for whom. This is Vatican history from a "left-wing" political and humanitarian point of view. For a right-wing, but non-evil presentation of the same postwar period, see Malachi Martin's Vatican, which starts out more or less as faction and ends as total fiction.

Interestingly, neither of these books makes much mention of the Jesuits per se.

Edit: Grégoire's book is subtitled "The CIA and the Bolshevik pontiff". According to the author, Paul VI and John Paul I concocted together the following doctrine which was going to be implemented, notably in South America: "It is the inalienable right of no man to accumulate wealth beyond his needs while other men starve to death because they have nothing". Thoroughly recommended.

[Cartomancer]

Interesting info. Fatima Portugal is due west of St. Peter's square. The eastern windrose marker (circle of markers surrounding the Egyptian Obelisk at the center) in conjunction with the obelisk forms a sighting device that points to places of importance to the Catholic faith. The W windrose points right to Fatima; the site of the miracles according to the church. Here's my movie about this phenomena:

w_isGhysLWc

[araucaria]

Interesting info. Fatima Portugal is due west of St. Peter's square. The eastern windrose marker (circle of markers surrounding the Egyptian Obelisk at the center) in conjunction with the obelisk forms a sighting device that points to places of importance to the Catholic faith. The W windrose points right to Fatima; the site of the miracles according to the church. Here's my movie about this phenomena:

w_isGhysLWc

Fascinating. This means that Fatima is an integral part of the Vatican setup, and so Lourdes was probably just a dry run. As I recall, John Paul I found for example that the miraculous gave (mountain stream) already existed in the cave and was in fact the purpose of going there, until Bernadette's handlers decided otherwise... The two younger children at Fatima were too young to take this treatment and was likely silenced to avoid too many inconsistencies.

I'm not sure if we need 'black popes' - most of the white ones have been pretty black.

[araucaria]

On the title of this thread, there is no 'top' to evil, every little service-to-self critterhas learnt what he knows from his line manager, who has learnt from his etc. ad infinitum.

The symbolism of the capstone is a positive one: the incomplete triangle represents the endless hierarchy, the completed triangle has three directions of equal importance/unimportance.