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Cidersomerset
16th July 2012, 12:06
Impotence instead of cure? Antidepressants accused of killing sex drive


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Published on 13 Jul 2012 by RTAmerica


Are antidepressants mislabeled? Should they instead be labeled for their common side effects? And is it more appropriate to call some of them antiafrodesiacs? Modern study showed that more patients taking antidepressants lost their sex drive than those cured of depression. David Antonuccio of University of Nevada school of Medicine brings his
take on whether this could pose a problem for America.
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I posted this 2nd vid on another post but ties in with this one......


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Published on 14 Jul 2012 by RTAmerica


A Recent study on antidepressants has shown that the drugs have some serious side effects: those taking certain prescriptions could lose their sex drive. It sounds like the whole nation's sexuality is under a threat as, according to the statistics, one in ten Americans takes antidepressants. And it's not only libido people are losing - many of these meds induce anxiety and double the risk of suicide. Psychologist and author Bruce Levine joins RT's Liz Wahl to discuss the issue.

Robert J. Niewiadomski
16th July 2012, 13:42
In 2009 WiReD magazine featured an article elaborating on the strange and unnerving (for Big Pharma) phenomenon. Placebo effect becoming more effective than drugs being tested in over 50% of participants.
Here is a link to it: http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all

I was wondering at that time if it had something to do with raising of the consciousness level of the Earth population. To me it does not matter if i am cured by placebo or real drugs. Placebo has serious advantage over drugs. It has no deadly side effects. But for placebo to work, one has to take a leap of Faith.

Have heard from one of my co-workers while we discussed placebo effect that physicians in Germany often "prescribe" sugar pills to their patients. For mild (cough, rhinitis, rush etc.) or "imaginary" illnesses of course...

It is a good sign IMHO that so called Big Pharma companies are being held accountable for their crimes against humanity...

Cidersomerset
16th July 2012, 14:03
A good article John makes perfect sence....

http://www.wired.com/images/article/magazine/1709/ff_placebo_effect_f.jpg


A true story a close relative who died in 2003 had a history of severe depression
she was in her early 70's and had a heart valve replacement operation 10 years
before and was on medication for that and ended up with a drawer full of tablets
for depression and other side effects. The result was she became lightheaded
and unstesdy on her feet, and could not cope living in her house so got a
flat at a sheltered housing complex with other elderly residents.

Twice a week they met in the communal hall for a cup of tea , Bingo ,sing song etc.
She had only been there a year or so, when one afternoon on her way to the hall
which 30 metres away she tripped and broke her hip bone.She was rushed to
hospital and got deepvain thrombosous almost dying in the next few days.
The nurses got her to sit up after a couple of days and she collapsed and died
from a brain anorism....Which was very tragic and very personally distressing.

I thought at the time that although the physical fall contributed directly
it was the tablets that did the damage and set up the fall !!!

Cidersomerset
16th July 2012, 22:34
Do Anti-Depressants Really Work?

Depression affects many Americans but are we reaching for the wrong treatment?

Published on February 20, 2012 by Carolyn C. Ross, M.D., M.P.H. in Real Healing

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The television program, 60 Minutes, recently addressed the volume of research on the lack of efficacy of anti-depressant medications. This research began over a decade ago and has shown that anti-depressant medications are not much more effective than placebo (sugar pill). In fact on 60 Minutes, Dr. Irving Kirsch (associate director of the placebo research program at Harvard) questions whether the only benefit they have is the placebo effect. The placebo effect creates an expectation of healing so powerful that it can actually decrease symptoms. The placebo effect works with pain, irritable bowel syndrome, knee pain and much more. Even though individuals with depression may get better taking these medications, it may not be due to the medication, rather to the placebo effect.

Here are the statistics on depression in the US:
•$11.3 billion dollars is the annual amount of money spent on anti-depressant medications in the US
•Americans consume more anti-depressants than any other developed nation
•17 million American's take anti-depressant drugs
•From 1988-1994, the use of anti-depressants increased by 400%
•1 in 10 Americans over the age of 12 take an anti-depressant

In Great Britain a review of studies on published and non-published (which are often not published because they don't show a positive benefit of medications) research showed the same lack of efficacy especially for mild-moderate depression. The medications seem to be more effective for moderate-severe depression. Great Britain has now revised their recommendations for treatment of depression to limit use of medications as first-line treatment to only those individuals with more severe depression. For mild depression, exercise, for example is as effective as medication.




Integrative medicine also offers many substitutes to medication which may be better first-line treatment for mild-moderate depression instead of medications:
1.Omega 3-fatty acids have been shown in several studies to boost the effect of medication and reduce suicide risk in those with depression.
2.B-vitamins such as B-12, B-6 and folic acid are important in the manufacture in the body of the neurotransmitters that help our moods - dopamine, serotonin, etc and have been shown also to boost the effectiveness of medication
3.Inositol - is another B-vitamin has been shown to improve depression without medication
4.5-Hydroxytryptophan, a serotonin precursor, is an amino acid that has shown effectiveness similar to prescription medications in some studies
5.Yoga, acupuncture, and massage have all been shown, along with physical activity to improve mood
6.Therapy also helps. Many people on medications do not seek therapy and studies show that it helps!

It's difficult to explain why so many Americans are depressed and anxious and why this number has increased so dramatically. Is it possible that our lifestyle — the Western diet, lack of activity, stress — is really the cause of this problem? It is known that high levels of the stress hormone, cortisol, is associated with a higher risk for depression. The Traditional Chinese medicine viewpoint is that all illness is due to an imbalance. Rather than going for the quick-fix — a pill — maybe the focus should be on modifying our lifestyles to be more in balance — at least as a first step.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/real-healing/201202/do-anti-depressants-really-work

mexrph
17th July 2012, 02:45
I am a retired pharmacist and I urge everyone to get off their antidepressants. Replace it with St Johns Wort 300mg and Kava Kava 250mg and take 1-2 capsules 2 times a day. Buy a quality health food manufacturer. I use Now Foods brand and I can get a 2 month supply online for $52.00. Not only will the St Johns Wort help lift your mood, but also it helps you control appetite and prevent eating binges. The Kava Kava will help you relax and lift your mood also. I highly recommend these 2 herbs.

Ki's
17th July 2012, 02:56
I have been using St Johns Wort in the winter for SAD. I used to just tough it out and wait for spring, but the St John's Wort has made a significant difference.

Cidersomerset
17th July 2012, 21:10
I have been using St Johns Wort in the winter for SAD. I used to just tough it out and wait for spring, but the St John's Wort has made a significant difference.

My mother was a virgo and she suffered from SAD every year. Back then I did not understand what she meant or what SAD was , but I think she was referring to the time
of year you are born and how it effects you. I'm an aquarian a winter baby so the winter although drab over here has never effected me....

Whether a old wives tale or not I now find it interresting ....Steve

Ki's
17th July 2012, 22:01
I have been using St Johns Wort in the winter for SAD. I used to just tough it out and wait for spring, but the St John's Wort has made a significant difference.

My mother was a virgo and she suffered from SAD every year. Back then I did not understand what she meant or what SAD was , but I think she was referring to the time
of year you are born and how it effects you. I'm an aquarian a winter baby so the winter although drab over here has never effected me....

Whether a old wives tale or not I now find it interresting ..LOL..Steve

SAD is 'seasonal affective disorder' It is related to the decreasing hours of sunlight during the winter month's. The decrease in daylight hours can (in some people) affect brain chemistry, in particular, serotonin which affects mood.

I'm in Michigan and winter can be pretty bleak. I use a combination of St John's Wort, 'sunlight' light bulbs and FORCE myself to go outside each day for at least 1/2 hour during the winter.

August Leo here, and if I had the ability to hibernate, I probably would :)

Lazlo
17th July 2012, 22:35
Here's a head scratcher for you. My nephew was diagnosed with ADHD because he's, well...a normal six year old boy. His parents decided that not only should he be medicated but that they should have themselves tested.

The result they were both ADD and were prescribed medication for that and depression.

The kicker: they are both PHDs and managed to get their degrees while "suffering" from a disease that hinders their ability to concentrate and focus.

At this point I decided that they were beyond help and gave up even trying to help. Seriously, I simply don't get how someone can be so successful and show the ability to earn an advanced degree, and then decide that they need pharmaceuticals to function.

And that folks is today's sign of the apocalypse. It's no wonder the world is in the state it is.

Cidersomerset
17th July 2012, 23:05
The kicker: they are both PHDs and managed to get their degrees while "suffering" from a disease that hinders their ability to concentrate and focus.

Hi Lazlo proves PHD's do not give you common sence LOL....Both my younger brother and step son were both very lively bordering on hyper active and I'm sure if they
were taken to the doctors/specialists would have probably been given something to calm them down.....

There is a differrence from normal naughty/excitetable/ mishievous kid and genuine children who cannot concentrate and crave attention....
We seem to have gone for the pill fix too readilly in the last 30 years much to the delight no doubt, and marketing of big pharma
Who like all corporates need dollars for the banks and shareholders......Which leads to other problems as we are seeing !!