Sympathy For The Devil?

[Fred Steeves]

With a thread going on about "Who's At The Top Of All This Evil?", it got me to wondering. If there were really just one "man" in charge of this whole operation, and you happened upon an encounter with him, how would you act?

In The Rolling Stones "Sympathy For The Devil", the devil himself has a bit of advice:

"So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah"

Personally, I think I would tend to keep to those general guidelines, but now I'm curious. How would YOU present yourself, in a face to face encounter with old Lucifer himself?

Cheers,
Fred

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[PurpleLama]

I'd wink, and smile.

[Beren]

Lucifer is not a man.

And you do see IT everyday as every man does.
Just as you see Christ everyday.

It`s just that you have to pay attention towards attracting patterns in quantum fields of existence.
You create what you want and attract energy that you emit.

Since we`re dealing with spiritual energy with negative nature ,whenever we emit negativity we attract it as a magnet.

[shadowstalker]

I would step up to him and say:
Thank you so much for the challenge, I know who I am, And I am loving it,
Mad respect to you and your job, Bye-bye...

[PurpleLama]

That's all true, Beren.

I'd still smile.

[RedeZra]

the devil is a fallen angel

and he is not alone


evil got this world trapped and then boobytrapped

and at death most join them

[Bill Ryan]

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I'd say:





"It must be pretty frustrating being blamed for everything, when in many ways all you're doing is being a tough coach. People always blame you for tempting them and leading them astray... when in fact, this is just a reflection of their own lack of responsibility and discipline. I guess you're going to keep on doing this until all humans get the message.... right?"

[Beren]

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I'd say:





"It must be pretty frustrating being blamed for everything, when in many ways all you're doing is being a tough coach. People always blame you for tempting them and leading them astray... when in fact, this is just a reflection of their own lack of responsibility and discipline. I guess you're going to keep on doing this until all humans get the message.... right?"


A bit of sarcasm here:

After your question Bill, he`d respond with : "Yes- now burn!!! "
:flame:

:sarcastic:

[CdnSirian]

I have met him, and at the time I was speechless. Yet managed to throw him out of my house. Now, when I feel his energy, or that of his minions, or machines, I say softly "you know, God loves you, very very much." And then It is gone. I know he's part of All That Is - but since I'm here, fractionalized in a compartmentalized identity, I can say "Get thee gone"!! And it is done.

Yet, we're all everywhere.

btw I loved the film "Performance" with Mick Jagger and James Fox. Doesn't that say it all?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Boy o boy you are a brave bunch o great Avalonians, all smart mouthing this poor devil fellow, i think he needs a hug and just wants to be loved like the rest of us.

I would give him a big hug, ask him why he is so cranky and give him a dead bat signed by Ozzy Osbourne for his scapbook, that should put a smile on his silly red mischievious face, perhaps then he gives me some credit on judgement day ( if there is such a day).

[9eagle9]

Ask him for a mirror.

[Dorjezigzag]

This thread inspired me to place this quotation from the film Jacobs ladder, it is inspired by the writings of Meister Eckhart, no not 'The power of now' one, the one from the 13th century.


"The only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life: your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away, but they're not punishing you, they're freeing your soul. If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. If you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth."

[DeDukshyn]

Lucifer is half of the whole .. The Christ Consciousness is the other half, Lucifer is just under the incredible intense force of separation that is "Satan" (causing him to be a tormented Ego - as Satan's influence tends to have on all beings in this realm)... I no longer have the strong duality of thought related to this mainly religious concept. So like Purple Lama .. a wink and a smile ;)

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Ask him for a mirror.

He is the Mirror.

[Anchor]

The Devil isnt going away. (D evil, The Evil, Do evil, Dr Evil, The Evil)

If there is a Devil is there a Dgood?

I think I wrote what I want to add to this thread, but I did it here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47398-Who-Is-at-the-Top-of-all-this-Evil&p=522580&viewfull=1#post522580


Such an entity can love an evil entity and respect what it is and why it is motivated the way it is, and furthermore know that it can only obtain from itself, that which it gives to the evil entity

The maxim "Let he who would be deceived be deceived" is just another way for looking at freewill on this scale.

If I were an evil man, the world right now remains a target rich environment for me to do what I want to do to help myself become empowered at the expense of others.

If I were a good man, the world right now remains a target rich environment for me to help myself and others expand in love for others.

It will not always be this way because the cycle we are in is ending, but as it does so the intensity is expected to increase. The river flows faster. The "dangers" and the speed of cause and effect quickens.

[Arrowwind]

When I consider Monsanto, the trials of Dr Burzynski, the military industrial complex, Haliburton, false flag events and Gary Nulls newest video and all the revelations it brings to the people it is clear that evil, (or the devil which is the word LIVED backwards) has many emissaries within our governement and our culture. Corrupted souls with an agenda of greed and ignorance. It is not light, it is not science, it is not love, it is not compassion, it is not concern for humaity that motivates them. It is pure evil selfishness designed to milk us of our money, our independence, our power and our freedom.

If I got my hands on one of the leaders of these asaults, and had the money to do it, I would drag them through a court with a jury. Id see their sorry asses in jail for a lifetime and Id spend the rest of my life promoting my book and giving lectures on how our nation must return to a constitutional government of the people, by the people, for the people.

If you haven't watched Gary Nulls new video you need to. He is an American Hero and truth speaker. Null Hedges nothing, withholds nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Zz5GjUcQ0

I have no sympathy without full confession, reparation and spiritual growth of the guilty. Without concession they are as good as dead to me.

[Fred Steeves]

I have no sympathy without full confession, reparation and spiritual growth of the guilty. Without concession they are as good as dead to me.

What if things turned out Arrowwind, that "They", is "Us"?

[Kimberley]

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Ya know I always disliked the sympathy for the devil song and would not play it on my radio shows as much as possible...However Fred you got me on this one...as now I am at a place of non judgement and acceptance that all is in perfect order... so no I still have no sympathy...however I have no judgement. :-)

All is well!!

Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[noprophet]

I'd ask if I could borrow his halo. ;)

[Arrowwind]

I have no sympathy without full confession, reparation and spiritual growth of the guilty. Without concession they are as good as dead to me.

What if things turned out Arrowwind, that "They", is "Us"?

They is not us. It certainly is not me. For gods sake. Quite the senseless rhetoric and get real. Know your heart and learn to read others and make a stand.

[Tane Mahuta]

"Yeah whatever!!...goodbye!!..."

nuff said

TM

[Fred Steeves]

Hmmmm, taking a step back from the "us vs. them" paradigm brings quite the reaction, even here. Very interesting.

Cheers,
Fred

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[DeDukshyn]

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I'd say:





"It must be pretty frustrating being blamed for everything, when in many ways all you're doing is being a tough coach. People always blame you for tempting them and leading them astray... when in fact, this is just a reflection of their own lack of responsibility and discipline. I guess you're going to keep on doing this until all humans get the message.... right?"


A bit of sarcasm here:

After your question Bill, he`d respond with : "Yes- now burn!!! "
:flame:

:sarcastic:

It is each of us that determine how much we burn ... the devil just provides you the flames ;)

[applecrusher1992]

See if I could give him a hug. :)

[gigha]

I would kick him in the balls

and tell him to f*** off

:target:

I know off I go

:cantina:

for ever and ever

gigha

[NancyV]

You can have compassion and love and still kill. So if I were able to, I would banish, eradicate or kill the devil. I might enjoy talking with him before the attempt to kill him. Of course he would not die, just go elsewhere and undoubtedly there are those waiting in line to take over his role.

It's a lot easier to deal with demons OR gods in other dimensions but here in 3D we only have a few good, effective ways to deal with negative or dangerous beings. One of the quickest is to kill their host bodies, if they are using one. If they appear in spirit form, it's more difficult to banish them, but it can be done.

If I got sent to "hell" for attempting and failing to kill lucifer... no big deal. I've already been there and I'll get out again. It's all a part of the game and all's fair in love and war!
:angel:

[Lifebringer]

All depends on if he''s/she's had some remorse for deceiving the world, and has to do "some community service to others/amends, could I have sympathy.

I don't see that in our history.the devil and his/her imps have made a mess of the whole human experience for free will by enslaving the world with lies and no where to turn at every turn.

That is up to Source/and or God or Yeshuah Emmanuel Sanada, and only if it be whosoever's will that is in charge/created it all.

[Fred Steeves]

It's a lot easier to deal with demons OR gods in other dimensions but here in 3D we only have a few good, effective ways to deal with negative or dangerous beings. One of the quickest is to kill their host bodies, if they are using one. If they appear in spirit form, it's more difficult to banish them, but it can be done.


That could be said for either "side" Nancy. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif Hmmm?

[WhiteFeather]

I have no sympathy without full confession, reparation and spiritual growth of the guilty. Without concession they are as good as dead to me.

What if things turned out Arrowwind, that "They", is "Us"?

What we think we become. So who the hell has summoned this entity anyways. He doesnt exist in my vortex. Never has and never will.

So with that....... Will the Defendant please rise!

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Hmmmm, taking a step back from the "us vs. them" paradigm brings quite the reaction, even here. Very interesting.

Cheers,
Fred

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Now thats a great tune Fred!

[Maia Gabrial]

I have met him, and at the time I was speechless. Yet managed to throw him out of my house. Now, when I feel his energy, or that of his minions, or machines, I say softly "you know, God loves you, very very much." And then It is gone. I know he's part of All That Is - but since I'm here, fractionalized in a compartmentalized identity, I can say "Get thee gone"!! And it is done.

That is EXACTLY how you treat all dark entities. They absolutely HATE love and light. They even hate the word LOVE. If you find yourself uncomfortable saying the word, then start doing a self-analysis. Most likely you've got an entity in your aura. Say LOVE as much as you can. If you can feel it even better when you send it to him. They plainly fear the LIGHT and LOVE. No particular religion involved....

I speak from experience. Joking aside, it's a subject that should be taken seriously. You'd be setting yourself up for them.

Check out Duncan O'Finioan's blog who talks about it, too. http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

[Chester]

Lucifer is half of the whole .. The Christ Consciousness is the other half, Lucifer is just under the incredible intense force of separation that is "Satan" (causing him to be a tormented Ego - as Satan's influence tends to have on all beings in this realm)... I no longer have the strong duality of thought related to this mainly religious concept. So like Purple Lama .. a wink and a smile ;)

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Ask him for a mirror.

He is the Mirror.

I have been told by a Gnostic Templar that actually Lucifer is the entire being, that then we have the Jesus/Satan opposites within. Sounds like the sort of mirror that applies to us all - well, at least it seems to apply to myself.

For fans of numerology we have Lucifer = 74 and we have Jesus = 74 and oh, yes... messiah also = 74.

We have Satan = 55 which is 19 short of 74. and 19 is "The Sun" card (as in "enlightenment") in Tarot.

Interesting but doesn't mean nothing.

My sad effort to contribute to the thread.

and so while I am on a roll, I might add that I see Jesus as Love, Lucifer as Wisdom and little half brother Satan as a wanna be... metaphorically speaking of course.

[Chester]

I found a post on another forum and asked the poster if I could post it here - this is not my words, but I understand the post and see the "characters" in the same light as this poster does. In this post - Lucifer is in a strange way, the hero... but a hero that relies on us to actualize this ultimate goal/state.

Here's how I have come to view the topic:

Satan is the personification of the force of separation. It has pretty much only one function -- to cause the fragmentation and separation of God (The Whole). It is what God uses to bring forth Creation. If God did not use Satan in this way, or if Satan did not exist, only God would exist and not His creations.

How does this work? I can give a couple of examples. First, God is pure Love which is also pure Light (in it's purest and fullest sense). If you can imagine Satan as, in a sense, the prism that makes distinct the specific qualities of God (Light) to form "Creation". Rather than pure Light (God) we have a vast range of qualities (colours) in the form of "Matter" -- of about 117 various types (elements); individual points of consciousness (complex vibrational energy fields); various light frequencies and energy waves (radio waves and other high frequency light) ... that's about it it - our whole "reality" is constructed from these results. When Satan's influence is strong on God's light, Matter is created and held static or very rigid for extremely long periods of time - creating the "physical" elements of our reality. Things like thoughts and waves, , energy fields and points of awareness are bound with much less strength, and thus still behave much more dynamically than matter.

This process is easier to understand if you have ever seen tiny frost crystals form in the air on a cold humid night. The process here is exactly a holographic rendering of all of Creation. Imagine that Satan, in this example, is the cold - the lack of heat (lack of .. God?). That biting cold seeks to reduce the vibrational frequency (molecules have certain vibration in which the rate is determined by heat) of the water vapour molecules, and causes them to be solidified into a rigid, lower frequency crystalline solid form. So in this case the Cold is Satan and the water vapour is God's essence (the ethers / Nagual), or a Being(s) of higher vibration that have sacrificed their dynamics to play the role of matter. Behind all matter is a Being or Beings that have taken this sacrificial role to bring about the beauty of physical Creation.

Lucifer was the being that "brought", so to speak, the material within the density we currently occupy. We call this "physical reality". He made the ultimate sacrifice. Most of us only remember the physical realm of our individual human's life, but before there even was a physical world there were and are many other non-physical realms where Satan's influence is light in comparison. This physical reality is the lowest any being has ever traveled. Lucifer is God's greatest being and his pioneer, He was not "thrown" out of heaven as many of our religions would have us believe - on the view of the highest level, he was asked for his sacrifice and agreed to take it on. There was a very good reason for all this but I won't get into that here.

I see humanity in a Holy light -- in the sense that we are a single great being, I was given a vision once that answered the question "What am I?" -- that vision made it very clear that I was Lucifer, that we all are, the one Being that is behind us all - from the physical standpoint - as opposed to the ethereal one. Humanity is sort of like His project (at least His role is integral and crucial) - the project to bring Divinity to an area of Satan's influence that was lower in frequency, yet more beautiful and distinct, than ever had been achieved before. Without getting into it, it may have been to "fix" what is happening on the density just above us (as in sneaking around back then turning on God's spotlight), but even curious play in the physical realms (fields of matter) could have been motivation enough.

Lucifer -- the "Bringer of Light", sounds uncannily like a "coming of the Christ" type scenario no? It's all part of the same story - it's all related. His goal is to bring Light into this physical realm and we are an integral part of that project. Lucifer took the challenge because He was the only one who had a chance of making this work.

This process destroyed Lucifer, in a sense, it broke him, tormented Him and created a massive Ego - he is now scattered across eons of space and time, and is only recognized now by His Ego, but us, our physical children of His, are nearly ready to be touched by the Divine (The Christ), and close the loop. It is a two part project. This will rid both this plane and the next one higher in density of the intense dualism that has invaded consciousness -- in other words, Satan's influence is so strong on this level, it also affects consciousness and causes the creation of an ego. I believe it is this ego and their collective Ego (Lucifer's Ego) is only what most institutions describe about "Lucifer", but this is only part of the story. We call this force either "Satan" or "Lucifer", but that effect is actually Satan's influence on Lucifer. In fact I have now sadly realized that the purpose of Christianity as it is (and likely some other religions) is to uphold the duality in the consciousness and prevent the reconnection of Lucifer and His Divine bride -- The Christ, hence the emphasis on those two entities being opposites and enemies in that religion.

When Satan's influence is strong enough (when we are in the very "cold" areas of the creation stage), it causes separation of consciousness as well as matter. This influence on consciousness is strong enough that it can flip the "driver" of the consciousness to be controlled by the ego - it allows that which was to be subconscious, to be conscious. This "flipping" of consciousness is the historical legend of the "Fall of Man" (and Lucifer's Fall), but this is only a small problem in the light of the whole project - it has just made our journey painful when it didn't need to be - and it can be corrected. The ego is required for survival in this realm - although it was never intended to be a decision making force; this is the "error", but this process has turned out well anyway because we have first hand experience, as a collective, of every mistake (learning) ever made - we came (or will come) out a little better because of it.

So, in my view Satan is a force, Lucifer is the Being of the greatest sacrifice, His Ego, created by the powerful influence of Satan in these realms (our collective ego) is how we are taught of him, and The Christ is His Holy Bride trying to bring Him back His divine spark, as He asked Her and the Angels He stationed to do when the time became right.

My two cents This one has taken a fair bit of my thoughts and a long time to get sorted. It may not be 100% accurate but I think it's pretty close as symbolic description.

This above post is by DeDukshyn who is also a member here on the Avalon forum. :cool:

[Chester]

Only metaphor here...

Thinking about the above (and forgive me all you folks that see Lucifer and Satan as the same thing because I don't) - we are all the fallen... fallen into materiality and thus then was naturally produced the egoic self and that we somehow collectively attached far to greatly to this required ego and became under the influence of the lower self, Satan. In our awakening of this error and via Christ consciousness, we attain a new, third form of being, the Risen (resurrected).

Now if we can do this collectively, life wins.

Let's do it.

[DeDukshyn]

Only metaphor here...

Thinking about the above (and forgive me all you folks that see Lucifer and Satan as the same thing because I don't) - we are all the fallen into materiality and thus then produced the egoic self and yet we somehow collectively attached far to greatly to this required ego and became under the influence of the lower self, Satan. In our awakening of this error and via Christ consciousness, we attain a new, third form of being, the Risen (resurrected). Now if we can do this collectively, life wins.

Let's do it.

Well said! Let's watch the responses to determine the addiction/program level to their conscious duality of each subsequent poster ... ;) (Yup, That's me, I'm an ass, ... think about it though ... seriously ... )

Blessings to all!

[NancyV]

I'm an ass too!
:)

[Maia Gabrial]

I just can't let this go. If you want to call it an "addiction" so be it. I agree that light and dark are within us all. We are all walking dualities in this universe of light. I don't agree with the fallen bit. For the purpose of experiencing this aspect of existence, our densities were lowered. Pushing ourselves to our limits. Not punishment for anything. We are NOT fallen anythings....at least IMO.

I'm saying that if you want to play with fire, by all means get close enough to the flames and catch on fire. Messing with dark entities is just that. So, if you want to play with them, then expect to be messed with. They don't have a problem doing that to anyone. You might be okay with it. Heck, maybe you like having misery and suffering in your life. More power to you. But I have to wonder why anyone would ASK for trouble to hound themselves....?

I've encountered dark entities before and the worst thing you can do is treat them with negativity. This they understand very well. Joke about it, but you'd be playing their game. You'd lose.....Sending them love and light is playing a Divine game. One that's worthy of us. Mocking them and treating them with disdain they can handle. I truly believe that LOVE knows exactly what each one of us (and them) needs. All we have to do is send it to each other (and them) and DIVINE LOVE will do the rest....

This is what I'd do....not that I'm looking to bump elbows with them. However, it's the highest thing I can do for them as fellow divine beings....

[DeDukshyn]

"I've encountered dark entities before and the worst thing you can do is treat them with negativity." -- Exactly!. They are attracted to our internal darkness -- not to our light, this is obvious and is the premise behind Bill's comment behind the Devil being a "coach". As stated in a post above --- we all decide how much we burn, the devil just provides you the flames.

[donk]

The OP is about some sort of personification of evil, as if it is a seperate "creator", and the posts that resonate with me are the ones that discern that from creations--the most powerful/oldest/famous negative entities of all time...but they are still all from creation.

It seems that some folks don't want to except that darkness is part of creation, and the concept of a devil--some entitiy that if not creates, at least is responsible for spreading it--necessarily has to be some "lesser" evil than source itself. The ultimate evil is the ultimate good is the ultimate everything...is everything--it just is...the devil and evil entities or whatever are personal manifestations, I think.

Anyone follow what I'm saying? That the idea of personifying/humanizing this aspect of existence is no different than personifying god or love or hate or terror...it always starts as if it is some ultimate force that comes from some separate source than the creator--and we lose sight of the fact that we are actually moving into talking about some lesser (bad word, lower...maybe?) being that just seems god-like to us.

My opinion is that it is what it is, and evil is perspective. So is "good", and love. I believe in love and fear, as unviersally existing in a way that effects all conscious beings, but it depends on the being whether they perfer the separation (self/fear) or community (service to others/love), and the level attachment to any particular preference is what causes conflict. And since we are all in this together, it is difficult to transcend this "war", since it seems that if ANY beings choose to engage in it, it is impossible to have an existence that is not affected, and lately seems impossible to not affected enough to not get involved (per Duncan's blog on spiritual war).

I dunno know if I'm even making any sense, just felt compelled to give my two cents...

[DeDukshyn]

The OP is about some sort of personification of evil, as if it is a seperate "creator", and the posts that resonate with me are the ones that discern that from creations--the most powerful/oldest/famous negative entities of all time...but they are still all from creation.

It seems that some folks don't want to except that darkness is part of creation, and the concept of a devil--some entitiy that if not creates, at least is responsible for spreading it--necessarily has to be some "lesser" evil than source itself. The ultimate evil is the ultimate good is the ultimate everything...is everything--it just is...the devil and evil entities or whatever are personal manifestations, I think.

Anyone follow what I'm saying? That the idea of personifying/humanizing this aspect of existence is no different than personifying god or love or hate or terror...it always starts as if it is some ultimate force that comes from some separate source than the creator--and we lose sight of the fact that we are actually moving into talking about some lesser (bad word, lower...maybe?) being that just seems god-like to us.

My opinion is that it is what it is, and evil is perspective. So is "good", and love. I believe in love and fear, as unviersally existing in a way that effects all conscious beings, but it depends on the being whether they perfer the separation (self/fear) or community (service to others/love), and the level attachment to any particular preference is what causes conflict. And since we are all in this together, it is difficult to transcend this "war", since it seems that if ANY beings choose to engage in it, it is impossible to have an existence that is not affected, and lately seems impossible to not affected enough to not get involved (per Duncan's blog on spiritual war).

I dunno know if I'm even making any sense, just felt compelled to give my two cents...

You are right, personification came about to make the story more intimate -- these concepts are that -- concepts. And We use symbolic personification to try to explain them -- this is a very important distinction that would solve many issues in this arena.

[donk]

I always liked the idea made famous by "Kaiser Sose" in Usual Suspects, something like: the greatest trick the devil played is convincing humanity that he doesn't exist.

But thinking on it, maybe the greatest trick "he" played is convining us that it is a "he" (or a being)...rather than what he/it really is--just another aspect of creation, a different perspective, a necessary contrast, a part of all of us, part of everything.

And pushing him on beings, blaming, deflecting responsibility--makes our life where we feed off love and light more difficult, as it becomes difficult to discern other beings' intentions which to them may not be "evil". As long as we focus on the differences while ignoring the similarities, as long as we focus on the external and not factor in the parts from inside of us--conflict resolution becomes a tall order and much energy is spent (I almost said wasted, but it is no true--every experience has value) in a way we would rather spend it.

And that's not to say that there aren't things out there that it is the exact opposite for. They enjoy, feed off, gain strength from darkness. We happen (seems to me, anyway) to enjoy the light, to have better/more/freer experiences when what is hidden is revealed, it allows us to make better/more informed decisions, which we feel is "better" for our existence. Who is to say that the entities that get off on the opposite, whose existence is "better" to them when they are hiding or manipulating or darkening...maybe the key is getting them to understand us, so some sort of compromise can be reached?

[Peace of Mind]

I’ve met this trickster a few times in my youth, the last time we met we stared eye to eye and I could see that it was literally scared to death of me and my untapped potential. This was years ago and I haven’t encounter the trickster on a personal level since.

From time to time I’ll see the devil causing havoc in the distance or around the corner, but as soon as my presence is none…it hisses at me and scurries away.

The devil is not as powerful as some may think it is, its power source comes directly from us, without us it is nothing…not even an idea.

Peace

[Camilo]

I would say:
Hey dude, we both come from the same place, and most likely in time, we both will return to the same place once again. You've done a hell of a job, and thanks for the lessons.

[DeDukshyn]

I would say:
Hey dude, we both come from the same place, and most likely in time, we both will return to the same place once again. You've done a hell of a job, and thanks for the lessons.

To add ...

One could say Satan is the canvass upon which we project or paint our sins. This is done so we can see and experience them first hand, it is a learning process for us. Dark entities feed off our darkness, oh my! what can we do? -- how long will humanity play this victim role? It is obvious what we have to do. All this is here to raise us into the light to connect the physical fully with the Light.

[Chester]

I just can't let this go. If you want to call it an "addiction" so be it. I agree that light and dark are within us all. We are all walking dualities in this universe of light. I don't agree with the fallen bit. For the purpose of experiencing this aspect of existence, our densities were lowered. Pushing ourselves to our limits. Not punishment for anything. We are NOT fallen anythings....at least IMO.

I'm saying that if you want to play with fire, by all means get close enough to the flames and catch on fire. Messing with dark entities is just that. So, if you want to play with them, then expect to be messed with. They don't have a problem doing that to anyone. You might be okay with it. Heck, maybe you like having misery and suffering in your life. More power to you. But I have to wonder why anyone would ASK for trouble to hound themselves....?

I've encountered dark entities before and the worst thing you can do is treat them with negativity. This they understand very well. Joke about it, but you'd be playing their game. You'd lose.....Sending them love and light is playing a Divine game. One that's worthy of us. Mocking them and treating them with disdain they can handle. I truly believe that LOVE knows exactly what each one of us (and them) needs. All we have to do is send it to each other (and them) and DIVINE LOVE will do the rest....

This is what I'd do....not that I'm looking to bump elbows with them. However, it's the highest thing I can do for them as fellow divine beings....

I agree with your post.

Again... what I wrote was simply metaphorical... meaning anything but literal.

It seems to me I am first, a spirit being and that somehow I chose or was convinced to incarnate into a physical realm experience. That is what I interpret by using the term "fallen" and one can use the term "incarnate" just as easily. The purpose in using the term "fallen" is how it fits in the larger metaphorical picture I had hoped to convey - connected with the fact that I have now also "risen."

...in that in this same lifetime, I awakened to the fact that I am a perfect child of creation (God if you like or source), immortal and eternal and that until I remembered that within this particular lifetime, I was asleep (and thus was in my own "fallen" state - a state of experience trapped within a material world realm where I am clueless as to who/what I am).

My words were only meant as pointers to what eventually can never be properly conveyed in words.

I have found that when I have difficulties with a word or phrase, then there is something there I probably should explore further. Sometimes I just put it on a shelf until I am ready.

To Donk - post #39 - Brilliant!

[Maia Gabrial]

I would say:
Hey dude, we both come from the same place, and most likely in time, we both will return to the same place once again. You've done a hell of a job, and thanks for the lessons.

No pun intended?