Flash mob overruns Jacksonville, Florida Walmart

[Unified Serenity]

So, this is what we have to look forward to? I wonder how proud their families are of them, and if we are about to see a lot more of this behavior. Yes, they are owed and they look so downtrodden with their phones, bling, and lawless mindsets:


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[Mod-edit: Following added by myself, copying text from another Youtube video on this, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPq0O9wa4pQ. -Paul.]

A flash mob recently overran a Northwest Jacksonville Walmart, damaging merchandise, as well as the store's security system. Police say over 300 people stormed the store. Police have not made any arrests yet.

[GCS1103]

So, this is what we have to look forward to? I wonder how proud their families are of them, and if we are about to see a lot more of this behavior. Yes, they are owed and they look so downtrodden with their phones, bling, and lawless mindsets:


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What is going on there??? Where did this happen?

[Unified Serenity]

This was a flash mob that overran a walmart. It was over 300 black youths in Jacksonville Florida.

[modwiz]

I rarely look at posted videos. I'm old school, if you have a point make it yourself. Anyway, is this thread about Obama sending these people to be disruptive or something? He actually put these people up to this???????? After all, 'brought to you by Obama' seems to indicate that he is the cause of this and not the actual people themselves. I have trouble with such logic. Go figure. :confused:

[Unified Serenity]

I am so very truly sorry for leaving you in such a state of confusion modwiz. Let me spell it out for you:

Obama and his policies encourage lawlessness. There is that simple enough for you? I won't try to explain it anymore deeply. We deserve the government we have, and this is the outcome of the nanny state.

I wonder which one of those children would look like his son.

[modwiz]

I am so very truly sorry for leaving you in such a state of confusion modwiz. Let me spell it out for you:

Obama and his policies encourage lawlessness. There is that simple enough for you? I won't try to explain it anymore deeply. We deserve the government we have, and this is the outcome of the nanny state.

I wonder which one of those children would look like his son.

I feigned the confusion, but thank you for confirming what I believed was your point. Did Sean Hannity already cover this?

[ThePythonicCow]

I just changed the thread title, from "Brought to you by Obama", to "Flash mob overruns Jacksonville, Florida Walmart".

I see nothing in particular regarding Obama in this thread subject; he's just the current American President Puppet. Bush, Clinton and Bush were no more lawful.

P.S. -- I also added a little more text to the opening post. Please, when posting Youtube videos, state what's in them.

[gripreaper]

I just changed the thread title, from "Brought to you by Obama", to "Flash mob overruns Jacksonville, Florida Walmart".

I see nothing in particular regarding Obama in this thread subject; he's just the current American President Puppet. Bush, Clinton and Bush were no more lawful.

P.S. -- I also added a little more text to the opening post. Please, when posting Youtube videos, state what's in them.

Thanks for recognizing this phenomenon here Paul. It seems, especially lately, we are being introduced to about a dozen 1 to 2 hour video's a day, qualified with. "A must see", or check this out, really great video...it is impossible for anyone to keep up with that many video's so how are we to choose which one to spend two hours on?

Let's see if you can find the other thread just started with a two hour video, yet nothing about it's contents at all. I hope Avalon doesn't become You Tube by proxy.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes, we have a problem. Yes, there are some correlations between race and those most likely to exemplify this problem, in the manner such as those in this "flash mob." It is a deep problem, with roots going back centuries, at least. Yes, we have corrupt American Presidents (and I presume some leaders in other nations as well.) That corruption too goes back a ways; it was not introduced by the current President Obama, but rather has controlled and corrupted every President in recent decades, if not longer.

Let's not get caught on the horns of racial or political divisions. Such elements, though present, only distract us from seeing further into the nature of our problems, and only deter us from improving matters.

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Let's see if you can find the other thread just started with a two hour video, yet nothing about it's contents at all. I hope Avalon doesn't become You Tube by proxy.
Are you referring to this thread: Higgs Boson proves intelligent design? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47482-Higgs-Boson-proves-intelligent-design) ?

[LarryC]

Yes, we have a problem. Yes, there are some correlations between race and those most likely to exemplify this problem, in the manner such as those in this "flash mob." It is a deep problem, with roots going back centuries, at least. Yes, we have corrupt American Presidents (and I presume some leaders in other nations as well.) That corruption too goes back a ways; it was not introduced by the current President Obama, but rather has controlled and corrupted every President in recent decades, if not longer.

Let's not get caught on the horns of racial or political divisions. Such elements, though present, only distract us from seeing further into the nature of our problems, and only deter us from improving matters.

If Obama is a tool of the cabal, he was probably chosen because he makes a convenient scapegoat for many white Americans. They can't resist focusing on him, so they don't look to see who's pulling the strings. And, naturally racial issues are always good for dividing people.

[Unified Serenity]

funny, it seems to be a particular problem with certain groups and not others of late. Maybe we should hope others will balance the scales? um no, but it would make comparing others so much easier. How does Sean Hannity come into this at all? The mob did what they did, their demographics are what they are, and the attitude of lawlessness seems to be the name of the game.

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Yes, we have a problem. Yes, there are some correlations between race and those most likely to exemplify this problem, in the manner such as those in this "flash mob." It is a deep problem, with roots going back centuries, at least. Yes, we have corrupt American Presidents (and I presume some leaders in other nations as well.) That corruption too goes back a ways; it was not introduced by the current President Obama, but rather has controlled and corrupted every President in recent decades, if not longer.

Let's not get caught on the horns of racial or political divisions. Such elements, though present, only distract us from seeing further into the nature of our problems, and only deter us from improving matters.

If Obama is a tool of the cabal, he was probably chosen because he makes a convenient scapegoat for many white Americans. They can't resist focusing on him, so they don't look to see who's pulling the strings. And, naturally racial issues are always good for dividing people.

Yes, we white American's are to blame, see it's whitey's fault. Oh but wait, we did after all elect him and without our stupid support we wouldn't have him. Go figure a bunch of dumb white bigots are still to blame for what some do in the black community. We must stay pc all the time or is it pa?

[Hervé]

Not much to do with Obama nor his predecessors...

... would you believe that it has to do with the music industry investing in private prisons?

Well, here are some data:


And... about "Rap":

From: http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

Also see this PA thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45105-The-Secret-Music-Industry-Meeting-That-Changed-Rap-Music

“The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation” (http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html)



[...]

Between the late 80′s and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

[...]

The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn’t the only one

[...]

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

[...]

Whether true or urban legend, the end result is the same... someone else posted something (see Ernie Nemeth's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45105-The-Secret-Music-Industry-Meeting-That-Changed-Rap-Music&p=488033&viewfull=1#post488033) and his recent thread here: Incarceration as a form of vengeance (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46424-Incarceration-as-a-form-of-vengeance) ) about said private prisons flourishing in Canada as well.

Well, may be Cheney and his Halliburton/KBR stuff might have a hand in those prisons and their building...

[modwiz]

My bad US. I never belonged in this thread. :bolt:

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes, we white American's are to blame, see it's whitey's fault.
Playing the blame game, whether seriously or tongue in cheek, risks being a divisive distraction.

The demographics are what they are; but our choice of where to focus our attention, even as we remain aware of the demographics and politics, is our choice to make.

[gripreaper]

here''s a video of a robbery where a 71 year old man fires back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wZNC2VwyaPU#t=87s

I sure don't want to see us lose our second amendment rights.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175170/Harrowing-moment-elderly-internet-cafe-goer-guns-robbers-chases-door.html

[Lost Soul]

Not to sound racist, but the media is really soft selling these riots as flash mobs. Flash mobs are when folks sudden gather and engage in fun and harmless activity followed by an equally sudden dispersal. The looting of Wally World is an organized riot. Like locust they suddenly appear and by sheer force of numbers overwhelm the staff. The media should call it what it is.

BTW, the degenerates responsible are totally unprepared for either the earth changes that are upon us or the impending economic collapse. In the latter, since they have no food or other emergency supplies (but they are probably armed), they will descend like locusts upon your neighborhood (unless you're outside the city). As said in the era of tall ships and iron men, "Standby to repel boarders!"

[frozen alchemy]

Errrr, two comments or thoughts: The great grandparents of these rioters (don't really know another word for it) were abducted BY WHITE MEN from their home villages where they were minding their own business, packed onto slave ships and bought and sold like so much cattle. They were murdered if they tried to learn to read. Fast forward a couple of generations, and they were subjected to institutionalized racism that prevented them, for the most part, from being full first class citizens in the country that now is the only one they know. Fast forward to now, and you have a generation that was raised by children from broken homes, who themselves were raised by children from broken homes, in an economy that's going downhill rapidly for all to see. Meanwhile, we glorify corporate raiders like Mitt Romney (apparently a true felon as an adult, as well as a teenager playing 'pranks') and he's considered, in a farce upon an obscenity, as presidential material.

Look for a lot more like this to happen. Wait til the **** really hits the fan, and the good suburban housewives in their pretty outfits, makeup and nice cars, will be doing the same thing. So will you.
Like Bob Dean said, "they know that after a day without food, you'll steal, and after a week without food, you'll kill for it.' I think he was being optimistic.

I don't mind the video being posted but I strongly object to the obvious racism in the discussion.

[Ellisa]

I looked at the video and whilst I would not like to have been there really I do not think this is a riot. Indeed we do not see the end. Did the youths leave suddenly, as in a flash mob? There seems to be no actual rioting. The baskets of apples were untouched, no one threw them around, and there seemed to be no smashing of goods etc., just noisy hooting and yelling, and actually lots of laughing and smiling. Look at it carefully--- this isn't a riot.

That said it is inconsiderate and upsetting, perhaps even frightening, for the shoppers in the store because it could so easily get out of control and nasty. As I said i would not be comfortable being there, BUT, I do not think there is anything that anyone could be charged with. There is no violence, no stealing and no inciting. It's a flash mob.

[frozen alchemy]

Agreed it could have been a lot worse (they could have easily cleaned that store out to the bare walls) but the amount of people and the general atmosphere was guaranteed to strike fear into anyone else in the store, including especially the employees, who would have felt some duty to intervene and possibly escalate the situation into something violent.

My view of a flash mob is one where people suddenly get together and do a dance routine or something of the sort (easily found on YT).

This was one step off violent and was certainly lawbreaking. I imagine a lot of merchandise went missing.

What comes next in this scenario for the store? Armed guards at the doors?

[Arrowwind]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

[PHARAOH]

US, not sure how to take this thread or what you are implying. As I see it, you may have succeeded at exposing your true nature and mindset as opposed to those on the video. :confused:

[Maia Gabrial]

If any of these young people had any sense, they'd see that they've been duped fools. If they think they look so cool doing this, then they really are fools. IMO this is a perfect example of wasted education.... If one of them was my child, I'd be beating them when they got home.... really....
Sheesh! So, here I was starting to think that the human race was not as bad as we've been told....This is disappointing...

[Maunagarjana]

funny, it seems to be a particular problem with certain groups and not others of late. Maybe we should hope others will balance the scales? um no, but it would make comparing others so much easier. How does Sean Hannity come into this at all? The mob did what they did, their demographics are what they are, and the attitude of lawlessness seems to be the name of the game.

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If Obama is a tool of the cabal, he was probably chosen because he makes a convenient scapegoat for many white Americans. They can't resist focusing on him, so they don't look to see who's pulling the strings. And, naturally racial issues are always good for dividing people.

Yes, we white American's are to blame, see it's whitey's fault. Oh but wait, we did after all elect him and without our stupid support we wouldn't have him. Go figure a bunch of dumb white bigots are still to blame for what some do in the black community. We must stay pc all the time or is it pa?

I don't think you could have missed the point more. How you get "he's saying whites are the blame" out of Larry trying to tell you that you are yet again being suckered into feeding your energy into this racial division crap. It's just another tool of control they use, to have you thinking in those terms. Despicable behavior is despicable no matter who is doing it or what their skin color is.

[mountain_jim]

While I believe Wayne Madsen made a strong case that Obama (and several generations of his family) have CIA-involvement, and I abhor many aspects of his use of National Security powers (see Glenn Greenwald's discussion today of the ACLU and Center for Constitutional Rights lawsuit against Obama officials, Petraeus, Panetta, concerning the assasination of citizens via drones with no court oversight or judicial review):

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/18/obamas_killings_challenged_again/

I am regularly disapointed lately here at Avalon by a few contributors (and volume thread starters) who appear to believe that replacing him with anyone else from either party is going to solve anything, or that he is really the person responsible for any of these ills of our society.

I see racism, i see ideological blindness, I see these examples of apparent inability or unwillingness to see where the evil and rot upon our society really derives from.

As Paul stated above, it's not from Obama, for he is just the current american head puppet. A well-spoken and totally controlled one.

I voted for him, and the hope for Change, after the abuses of Cheney/neocons running things and 9/11/Iraq. I sure learned my lesson there.

Any who think replacing him with Romney (or his ilk) will fix things are deluding yourselves (as I was when I felt so happy about Obama's coronation).

(added later from my post in current events)

If you get rid of Obama and replace him with Hillary or Romney, what changes? The US government is still officiated over by controlled puppets, and the elites in the shadows ultimately could care less whether a Repugnican or Dumnacrat dances at the end of their strings.

And since they control the election process, real change from someone like Paul can't happen - not under the current system.

[Cartomancer]

I supose this flashmob is O'bama's fault as well. Obama>black youths>"brought to you by Obama"=racism IMO and mocking of people different than you. There are over 51000 hits on youtube for search "flashmob" and this is the one you pick to post?

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[Strat]

Errrr, two comments or thoughts: The great grandparents of these rioters (don't really know another word for it) were abducted BY WHITE MEN from their home villages where they were minding their own business, packed onto slave ships and bought and sold like so much cattle. They were murdered if they tried to learn to read. Fast forward a couple of generations, and they were subjected to institutionalized racism that prevented them, for the most part, from being full first class citizens in the country that now is the only one they know. Fast forward to now, and you have a generation that was raised by children from broken homes, who themselves were raised by children from broken homes, in an economy that's going downhill rapidly for all to see. Meanwhile, we glorify corporate raiders like Mitt Romney (apparently a true felon as an adult, as well as a teenager playing 'pranks') and he's considered, in a farce upon an obscenity, as presidential material.


Agreed 100%

This happened in 'my' city. http://www.news4jax.com/news/Smash-mob-causes-havoc-at-Walmart/-/475880/15568130/-/18sbtjz/-/index.html

I'm not too worried about it. Oh, and it's Walmart so I'm just gonna chalk that up as karma.

[Unified Serenity]

So, are you saying only blacks were ever abducted or kidnapped by whites? That a. only blacks were abducted and b. only whites did the abducting?

This is a tired old argument and the message of the President to covet what others have only leads to this anger which s constantly fed into the black youths that they are owed and it's whitey's fault they are in the present condition which they are in. I know plenty of white people, Hispanics, and other races struggling to get by in the world, and I also know plenty of other races including whites, blacks, asians, hispanics who are doing well in the world. It's all about a mindset. If you think you know my mind and heart by something I've said, why don't you actually ask me instead of insinuate.

I also don't think you can post a white uprising in Ireland and say see..... as if that is what is going on in America. Australia just has a white backlash over the police not doing anything about muslim / arab heritage people getting away with crime and improper behavior towards "native" Australians. They got fed up with it. I also happen to believe it's part of the Hegelian dialectic to create so much angst and animosity amongst the races to have a huge blow up which would undoubtedly kill many on all sides to then have us get so sick of it all that we embrace whatever solution the "elites" were trying to manipulate via the agent provacateurs. I don't think 300 kids just suddenly showed up. Someone got it going. That being said, did anyone force them to act lawless? Did anyone force those in Baltimore to beat that poor man, strip him naked and abuse his body and rob him?

This is a problem of the spirit and soul of some members of a community, and I have yet to see anyone produce a similar video of white kids doing this. What is happening that these kids feel justified in their behavior and how did it get this way? I for one think it goes back to the war on poverty, throwing the black father out of the home and having the State become the provider. Families were torn, children did not have the benefit of a two parent home, and more and more hatred has been promulgated in their hearts. How does Walmart bear the blame for what happened to their great great grandparents? How do random white people bear the blame for it? There is a lot more to this topic, and Obama pushes the race card more than any other President in history imho. The great healer and preacher of Hope and Change. Well, how's that hope going and change going? Do you like what you see? I know I and a majority of American's do not.

[Unified Serenity]

The great grandparents of these rioters (don't really know another word for it) were abducted BY WHITE MEN from their home villages where they were minding their own business, packed onto slave ships and bought and sold like so much cattle.

Just to be inclusive of the history, the black african rivals gathered up these black african's and sold them to these slave traders. I find it an ugly part of history all the way around, and for some more current history, slavery is still practiced in Africa today. Another bit of facts, less than 5% of Southern people owned slaves. In New Orleans where slavery was legal, 28% of the blacks owned slaves themselves. So, let's just keep some information in toto and not just paint it as a white crime against blacks. None of this absolves those whites, but it wasn't just a white crime either.


Portion of

DIXIE'S CENSORED SUBJECT
BLACK SLAVEOWNERS

By Robert M. Grooms

In an 1856 letter to his wife Mary Custis Lee, Robert E. Lee (http://americancivilwar.com/south/lee.html) called slavery "a moral and political evil." Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially and physically.


The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.


The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).


In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).


According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.


To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters. http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm




NOTES
1. The American Negro: Old World Background and New World Experience (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Foffer-listing%2FB000H420M0%3Fie%3DUTF8%26condition%3Dall&tag=americancivilw0a&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325), Raymond Logan and Irving Cohen New York: Houghton and Mifflin, 1970), p.72.
2. Black Masters: A Free Family of Color in the Old South (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=Black%20Slaveowners%20Free%20Black&tag=civil_war-20&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325), Michael P. Johnson and James L. Roak New York: Norton, 1984), p.64.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

17449

We are not amused.

:(

[sleepy]

:xxxxx xxxxxx

[778 neighbour of some guy]

:pClutch the pearls.


?

Not familiar with that expression, what does it mean?

[Cartomancer]

I wonder where all your sidekicks from the Jordan Maxwell thread are now? Gee Whiz one could misconstrue that you don't like African Americans or people different than you very much.


17450

[crosby]

:pClutch the pearls.


?

Not familiar with that expression, what does it mean?

from what i understand, it means to grasp at the neck in shock and disbelief.
regards, corson

[778 neighbour of some guy]

:pClutch the pearls.


?

Not familiar with that expression, what does it mean?

from what i understand, it means to grasp at the neck in shock and disbelief.
regards, corson

Thank you for explaining Corson.

Regards

Edgar and Norice.:luv:

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[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxxx

[Maia Gabrial]

I always thought that a flashmob was people dancing together to a particular song at train stations and malls. This is more like a trashing mob. A violent mob.... Just because it happened at a Walmart, doesn't excuse this at all....

Who defends such behavior? Will there be ANYONE to tell them that they looked like complete fools and idiots? If anyone wants respect, then they should act respectfully.... I see this and I shake my head. If these were white people, I could talk all kinds of trash about them.

The plain and simple truth is they're not the good change we're all looking for....
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[778 neighbour of some guy]

:pClutch the pearls.


?

Not familiar with that expression, what does it mean?

"a moment in time that forces one to clasp their hand to their chest, out of fear or shock, as if trying to protect an imaginary pearl necklace."
It was meant tongue-in -cheek.

Thanks for explaining.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Goddammit

:confused::Cry:

[Strat]

Goddammit

:confused::Cry:

Use your words buddy. Why are you upset?

[Cartomancer]

Goddammit

:confused::Cry:

Use your words buddy. Why are you upset?

Check post #29

[Strat]

Yeah I know, I think he may be taking it the wrong way though. A more open dialogue should fix it. That being said, I'm ducking out of this thread. I don't see this going anywhere good.

[Vitalux]

I joined this community to enjoy expanding my consciousness not to entertain this garbage.
Lately it appears that some of the content that is being posted reflects something one would expect to see had they tuned into the Jerry Springer show to watch.

http://www.mixtapefactory.com/useralbums/DJ_JERRY_SPRINGER_SHOW_VOL2/jerryspringer2_1.jpg

[Maia Gabrial]

I am regularly disapointed lately here at Avalon by a few contributors (and volume thread starters) who appear to believe that replacing him with anyone else from either party is going to solve anything, or that he is really the person responsible for any of these ills of our society.

I believe he's doing a damn good job of screwing things up for his part in it. I think he likes doing it, too by that self-satisfied look he gives the photographers. I've noticed his nose is higher in the air these days, too. His mighty pen and his fake "concerns" just prove he's insincere. Let me take that farther. He's an outright LIAR! No one makes him do that....

Lately, I've been getting alot of emails from this MoveOn.org about making sure Mitt Romney doesn't become president. I sent them an email back and I asked if they could assure me that Obummer won't be re-elected with Romney out of the way....No answer. Neither candidate meets my standards. But that's me.... I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils either. Most people on the forum are aware that the president is not the true power in this country. The ones who still believe in the system will find out the truth anyway, if they let themselves see it. But I wouldn't criticize them. They'll see it when they're ready.

For the record, I DIDN'T vote for Obummer because I listened to what he said during campaigning and recognized his lies; especially about change. He never said what KIND of change he was promising. You only heard what you wanted to hear....So, now we're all seeing what exactly he meant....

I don't like it....

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Goddammit

:confused::Cry:

Use your words buddy. Why are you upset?

Because this subject got very personal to us and the fact race/color got involved in this is complety crazy, these could have been soccer hooligans for instance and this subject would not have been about color or race or slavery and would not have taken this turn.

Being of ANY race or color is NOTHING to be proud of it is NO ACHIEVEMENT of your own, you have had nothing to do with this yourself, it is how you were born, just like your parents did, and they had nothing to do with either, it is NO ACHIEVEMENT, good people and assholes come in EVERY shape, size, form, race.

This subject sucks............ MAJOR......... it divides.

I have nothing more to say about this, it should not even be a subject at all, like sexual preference should not be one for example, you are what you are.

You have no clue what **** we encounter from black as well as white people for being a mixed race couple................ and its ALL bull****.


Makes us cry.

Thats all, still sad.

Have a good night all of you.

We wish you much love and even more colorblindness.

[Strat]

You have no clue what **** we encounter from black as well as white people for being a mixed race couple................ and its ALL bull****.


You're right, I don't know, and I wont pretend like I do because that would be disingenuous and disrespectful. I'm sorry you're upset and that you have to deal with this. Hope you feel better. Maybe go out with your gorgeous gal, get away from the pc, and have some fun!

Okay now I'm ducking out of this thread... I'm pretty sure.

[Kristin]

One could also say that there is an issue with angry white mobs in Florida as well: http://justicegagged.blogspot.ca/2012/07/angry-white-mob-attacks-black-fl-family.html

However this is tit for tat. The issue here is respect for all life and celebrating our human nature together as spiritual beings sharing the same planet. Everyone has begun the same way, as an infant crying for their parents... innocent and ready to learn. Here are some words of wisdom:


"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."

NELSON MANDELA, Autobiography

From the Heart,
Kristin

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You have no clue what **** we encounter from black as well as white people for being a mixed race couple................ and its ALL bull****.


You're right, I don't know, and I wont pretend like I do because that would be disingenuous and disrespectful. I'm sorry you're upset and that you have to deal with this. Hope you feel better. Maybe go out with your gorgeous gal, get away from the pc, and have some fun!

Okay now I'm ducking out of this thread... I'm pretty sure.

Sorry Strat, that quote was not meant as a rant towards you in any way at all, we were speaking in general terms, the being mixed is just a minor part we both have to deal with and i did not foresee us being together, it just happened all very smoothly.

You dont have to be sorry at all.

Thank you and sun on your path, we wish you well:o

Ed/Norice

[Strat]

Oh I know it wasn't directed towards me. I was pretty sure it was venting and I just wanted to help. I'm usually the peace keeper.

All is well!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Oh I know it wasn't directed towards me. I was pretty sure it was venting and I just wanted to help. I'm usually the peace keeper.

All is well!

Your peacekeeping worked, we are cooling down here, thank you ( and Kristin)

[Belle]

Repost from another thread...


"That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second-class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained..."

—English translation of 1963 Speech delivered to the United Nations by Haile Selassie I (Ras Tafari) and popularized in a song called War by Bob Marley.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loFDn94oZJ0

665 plumber...one good Marley tune deserves another!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Repost from another thread...


"That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second-class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained..."

—English translation of 1963 Speech delivered to the United Nations by Haile Selassie I (Ras Tafari) and popularized in a song called War by Bob Marley.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loFDn94oZJ0

665 plumber...one good Marley tune deserves another!

Beast smiles at Belle :o

UCcpc0rADxs

Not a happy Marley but a very good tune.

[Unified Serenity]

I find it amazing that we are seeing a rise of this mob mentality. There are many such events and attacks happening, but they are not being reported very much, and if reported the language used is very careful. See, we cannot question the behavior of large groups of a demographic or the President because the "R" word gets thrown out. Just make a post revealing a problem happening, and if it involves a black group, then you are a racist. Just like my daring to bring up any subject some of you on this forum do not like, you immediately accuse me of something.

You attack the messenger immediately. Paul may have changed the title to the thread, but I do think Obama has some responsibility for this. The DOJ, police and rhetoric coming from the Obama administration anytime a black person is involved in something is about blaming someone else or attacking the messenger. Let's not deal with the facts or look for the truth, let's pretend there isn't a problem and we can all just think positive. You cannot effect change in the world if you do not recognize a problem.

Maybe if a black man talks about it then it's ok, but I am braced for hearing how he is some "uncle Tom" because he doesn't agree with the majority of the black leaders.

safZ8bsS_OI

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I find it amazing that we are seeing a rise of this mob mentality. There are many such events and attacks happening, but they are not being reported very much, and if reported the language used is very careful. See, we cannot question the behavior of large groups of a demographic or the President because the "R" word gets thrown out. Just make a post revealing a problem happening, and if it involves a black group, then you are a racist. Just like my daring to bring up any subject some of you on this forum do not like, you immediately accuse me of something.

You attack the messenger immediately. Paul may have changed the title to the thread, but I do think Obama has some responsibility for this. The DOJ, police and rhetoric coming from the Obama administration anytime a black person is involved in something is about blaming someone else or attacking the messenger. Let's not deal with the facts or look for the truth, let's pretend there isn't a problem and we can all just think positive. You cannot effect change in the world if you do not recognize a problem.

Maybe if a black man talks about it then it's ok, but I am braced for hearing how he is some "uncle Tom" because he doesn't agree with the majority of the black leaders.

safZ8bsS_OI

White people dont agree with everything white people do/say, so why should black people not disagree with black people?

[mountain_jim]

I am regularly disapointed lately here at Avalon by a few contributors (and volume thread starters) who appear to believe that replacing him with anyone else from either party is going to solve anything, or that he is really the person responsible for any of these ills of our society.

I believe he's doing a damn good job of screwing things up for his part in it. I think he likes doing it, too by that self-satisfied look he gives the photographers. I've noticed his nose is higher in the air these days, too. His mighty pen and his fake "concerns" just prove he's insincere. Let me take that farther. He's an outright LIAR! No one makes him do that....

Lately, I've been getting alot of emails from this MoveOn.org about making sure Mitt Romney doesn't become president. I sent them an email back and I asked if they could assure me that Obummer won't be re-elected with Romney out of the way....No answer. Neither candidate meets my standards. But that's me.... I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils either. Most people on the forum are aware that the president is not the true power in this country. The ones who still believe in the system will find out the truth anyway, if they let themselves see it. But I wouldn't criticize them. They'll see it when they're ready.

For the record, I DIDN'T vote for Obummer because I listened to what he said during campaigning and recognized his lies; especially about change. He never said what KIND of change he was promising. You only heard what you wanted to hear....So, now we're all seeing what exactly he meant....

I don't like it....

No, I only knew I did not want 4 more years of Cheney's neocons orchestrating 9/11 in bed with Mossad, or lying us into an insane war in Iraq. I preferred an intelligent, energetic liar, to a doddering fool with an idiot for Vice President. The idea of airhead Sarah Palin becoming president when the old fool kicked off was scary enough for me to vote for Obummer, easy.

So I admit I knew a lot less about the shadow government and the underlying conspiracies back when I was voting.

So now we all here have seen both sides, and they are no different, owned and controlled by the same hidden power, and I maintain that the rage and hatred focused on him is misdirected. He may even be MK-ULTRA programmed to do as he does. Or maybe his whole family was threatened at his first National Security briefing. Or maybe, as some have claimed, he was bribed with millions of Fed-created-out-of-air dollars to secret bank accounts.

I fail to see the difference between your 'outright liar' exclamations and Bush reading My Pet Goat while he knows **** is going down on 9/11, and making all those speeches about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq based on information they knew was a lie. Adding up the number of innocent people killed, I bet Bush still leads Obama.

So yes, I consider with all we have witnessed by now, these threads supporting removing him in favor of a Hillary or Biden (if impeached) or Romney after an 'election' are a misdirected focus of wasted energy - he is not the real problem.

[Fred Steeves]

You attack the messenger immediately.


Serenity, what's with the "poor me" thing? I don't know about you, but when I begin to encounter ever increasing headwinds these days, I tend to focus more on the real culprit, which is of course always me.

Cheers,
Fred

[Belle]

They stir the racist pot and we react....what does that say about us?

Isn't it about time we stop playing their game?

Given the shape the economy is in, it won't be long before gangs and mobs of all kinds take to the streets...just trying to survive.

This goes far beyond Obama or politics...it's about control and herding us in whatever direction they choose.

[GCS1103]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090). Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

[Unified Serenity]

This same man explains how we are facing a coming bloody civil war. He can be a spirited speaker, but in this video he is rather subdued which tells me he is very troubled by what he is seeing coming. I cannot help but each flash mob event is laying a foundation of more aggressive events. This man should not be dismissed because he is a Christian. He speaks some real sense about the politics that are happening, and what we may be facing with the elections coming up. This video is from January. I am looking for a current one dealing with what has recently been happening:

KVmWuCyT034

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How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5. Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

You might not like me bringing this information forward, but I do not believe you can rightly accuse me of being a racist or bigot because I posted a thread dealing with events happening in my country. I did not make 300 black kids run rampant and break equipment and steal from Wal-mart.

[Unified Serenity]

You attack the messenger immediately.


Serenity, what's with the "poor me" thing? I don't know about you, but when I begin to encounter ever increasing headwinds these days, I tend to focus more on the real culprit, which is of course always me.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred,

Pointing our a fact is not playing a victim. Every time some of you don't like something I say, you attack me, call names, and don't deal with the topic. I am simply pointing out that fact. I am rather used to it, but I don't believe many of you (members of Avalon who routinely are negative about my posts and views) are used to anyone standing up to your overt attacks and calling them out for exactly what they are. Contrary to what you think, not everyone is going to roll over and let you make claims or insinuate things about their character without calling you out on your own Bull****. That is a common tactic. They reporters did it to Sheriff Arpaio immediately yesterday, I deal with it on nearly every thread I start, and Pastor Manning is regularly attacked by members of his black community. Just read the posts on his videos. They are vile, vulgar, and nothing but attacks. If you don't like the facts, distract, attack, mock, ridicule and change the subject. Dear God, don't deal with the subject at hand. That would require some intellectual honesty.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This same man explains how we are facing a coming bloody civil war. He can be a spirited speaker, but in this video he is rather subdued which tells me he is very troubled by what he is seeing coming. I cannot help but each flash mob event is laying a foundation of more aggressive events. This man should not be dismissed because he is a Christian. He speaks some real sense about the politics that are happening, and what we may be facing with the elections coming up. This video is from January. I am looking for a current one dealing with what has recently been happening:

KVmWuCyT034

¤=[Post Update]=¤





How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5. Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

You might not like me bringing this information forward, but I do not believe you can rightly accuse me of being a racist or bigot because I posted a thread dealing with events happening in my country. I did not make 300 black kids run rampant and break equipment and steal from Wal-mart.

Lets make that 300 kids, and some off those kids crossed some boundaries, the other 275 were probably just having some wild ass fun like kids do, no chairs were flying, no mellons got crushed in the stampede and no windows got shattered, just 300 kids running through a wal mart, thats all we see.

And how this turned into a political issue completely baffles me.

You should see the local large supermarket here during school breaks between the lessons, looks quite similar.

[Lefty Dave]

I, too, have always thought that term 'flashmob' was in relation to a group of people doing a good thing . This was a small riot, robbery pure and simple.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Unified Serenity]

Lets make that 300 kids, and some off those kids crossed some boundaries, the other 275 were probably just having some wild ass fun like kids do, no chairs were flying, no mellons got crushed in the stampede and no windows got shattered, just 300 kids running through a wal mart, thats all we see.

665 Plumber. I agree with you. I saw some kids running amok. No violence ,maybe some poor judgment. As a kid I did much worse. That is why I responded with, "clutch the pearls". In the scheme of things going on in the world this would not even make me raise an eyebrow. Much to do about nothing.


Ok, would you like me to post some other videos of flash mobs that were violent, sent people to the hospital, and the police did nothing? Nah, you don't want even more truth. Go look it up for yourself. They won't report it on the nightly news much or on main stream media. Some things you have to actually pay attention to and find the reports yourself.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Lets make that 300 kids, and some off those kids crossed some boundaries, the other 275 were probably just having some wild ass fun like kids do, no chairs were flying, no mellons got crushed in the stampede and no windows got shattered, just 300 kids running through a wal mart, thats all we see.

665 Plumber. I agree with you. I saw some kids running amok. No violence ,maybe some poor judgment. As a kid I did much worse. That is why I responded with, "clutch the pearls". In the scheme of things going on in the world this would not even make me raise an eyebrow. Much to do about nothing.

Yep, kids being stupid as kids can be, i was a real domestic little terrorist myself, high as a kite and drunk as hell and thrashing on metal and punk and just grew up, like most of do. Ended up just fine and doing good works, no biggie.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[TargeT]

Ok, would you like me to post some other videos of flash mobs that were violent, sent people to the hospital, and the police did nothing? Nah, you don't want even more truth. Go look it up for yourself. They won't report it on the nightly news much or on main stream media. Some things you have to actually pay attention to and find the reports yourself.


I've been in several flash mobs, we never did ANYTHING negative EXCEPT maybe slow traffic down in one case, or cause people to "walk around us" in another.

These are fun, silly events that (in my case) always had an underlying message; there were never laws broken and we cleaned up after ourselves if we left a mess, the biggest one I was a part of had around 350 people.

I'd have to review the original video again, they seemed to NOT be rioting or damaging merchandise from what I could see, though at the same time I'm not sure what the purpose of the flash mob was other than to just "show up" ?

(I actually got bored watching it so I skipped around a bit, didn't pay too close attention).

I saw a lot of high melanin content individuals and a few lower melanin ones; all dressed similarly and seemingly peacefully enjoying themselves in a "mostly" legal gathering.


(had to jump in and defend flash mobs, they are pretty fun & useful ways of spreading a message)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Lets make that 300 kids, and some off those kids crossed some boundaries, the other 275 were probably just having some wild ass fun like kids do, no chairs were flying, no mellons got crushed in the stampede and no windows got shattered, just 300 kids running through a wal mart, thats all we see.

665 Plumber. I agree with you. I saw some kids running amok. No violence ,maybe some poor judgment. As a kid I did much worse. That is why I responded with, "clutch the pearls". In the scheme of things going on in the world this would not even make me raise an eyebrow. Much to do about nothing.


Ok, would you like me to post some other videos of flash mobs that were violent, sent people to the hospital, and the police did nothing? Nah, you don't want even more truth. Go look it up for yourself. They won't report it on the nightly news much or on main stream media. Some things you have to actually pay attention to and find the reports yourself.

US i dont know you, you dont know me, you dont even know what i think about you, i think you just hit a button with us personally, this does not mean i/we judge you on other posts you did ( i like a lot of them actually) we just did not agree with where this particular post was going, thats all, you do not have to defend yourself on our behalf, i just dont agree with you on this one, is that ok with you ?

Does your immense heart have some room for disagreement ?

[ghostrider]

what is sad is of all the things a person could do in this world, they go to walmart and act like they just graduated high school. sad.:mullet:

[Unified Serenity]

Oh, we can disagree. These kids did damage to property among other things. They don't have a right to destroy property. Who do you think pays employees to clean this up? What about those who want to go home to their families who can't because of the mess left behind? Oh, it's just kids having some fun. Again, no one cares about ethics anymore it seems. This is only halfway down the page. Click on the links, Here is a website:

http://www.violentflashmobs.com/

6/18/12 Detroit, MI 9 Teens ransack gas station convenience store and violently beat clerk http://bit.ly/LHVh1e6/16/12 Troutdale, OR 30-40 Teens storm Albertsons grocery, steal merchandise and trash store http://bit.ly/LE5ush http://bit.ly/M1t4C0

6/14/12 Portland, OR 20-30 Three victims attacked on tennis court, two suffer facial injuries http://bit.ly/KKgaVa http://bit.ly/Lipsfn
6/13/12 Portland, OR 5-10/150 14 year old boy beaten up and robbed in park http://bit.ly/KKgaVa http://bit.ly/Lipsfn
6/9/12 Chicago, IL 6 23-year-old man was beaten up on the CTA Red Line near the State-Lake stop by teenagers, after they tried to steal girlfriend's phone
http://cbsloc.al/LkgomV
6/9/12 Chicago, IL 10 Teen mob attacks men on North State St leaving one man with broken jaw
http://cbsloc.al/LkgomV
6/9/12 Chicago, IL 10-20 36 year male doctor attacked while walking home http://cbsloc.al/LkgomV 5/27/12 Milwaukee, WI ~30 Teens fight in McDonalds http://bit.ly/KaLMrf
5/26/12 Indianapolis, IN 5-7 Couple attacked and beaten while walking along the Canal during race weekend http://bit.ly/Lz5OGN
5/23/12 Baltimore, MD 35-40 Teens raid downtown 7-Eleven on free slurpee day http://cbsloc.al/KcflsC
5/19/12 Tinley Park, IL 5 Anti-Racist Action Group attacks white supremacist group dining at restaurant
http://bit.ly/LCrjt9
5/17/12 Baltimore, MD 9, 19 High school student beaten by two separate groups of juveniles http://bsun.md/Lk5CAI
5/13/12 Tampa, FL 4 Army soldier beaten and robbed while walking home after car broke down http://on.wtsp.com/JH7Cic
5/7/12 St. Louis, MO 6 Teen playing Knockout Game assaults man walking home in Central West End http://on.ksdk.com/KIvZdv
5/5/12 Newark, NJ
10-15 Five robbed and three attacked when teens attack following Red Hot Chili Peppers concert http://bit.ly/IQy2Q1 http://bit.ly/JeRFAn
4/27/12 Portland, OR 15-20 Max Mart & Deli convenience store ransacked, employee assaulted
http://bit.ly/IgZnsE http://bit.ly/IPBtY1

4/21/12 Mobile, AL
20 Man attacked with chairs, pipes and paint cans on his own front porch after telling kids to stop playing in the street
http://exm.nr/INMS74

4/21/12 Harrisburg, PA
8 59 year old man robbed by 8 males, one w/ handgun http://bit.ly/K39orh

4/14/12 Norfolk, VA
30+ Newspaper reporters attacked while driving home after a show http://bit.ly/KYaudj http://bit.ly/IOEwv5 4/13/12 Portland, OR 10 Teens cover faces, grab items from Nordstrom store and run out http://bit.ly/I1juIm

4/8/12 Rohnert Park, CA 6 Four men and two women harass elderly man (all evidently white too!) - Good Samaritans who intervened beaten and robbed http://bit.ly/HU6gwq
4/7/12 Portland, OR
16 Chevron convenience store ransacked
http://bit.ly/Hy18Bt

4/7/12 Midland, TX 4 Man attacked and suffers broken jaw in middle of street
4/7/12 Gainesville, FL 5-8 27 year old male jumped and beaten while walking home from bars - attackers shouted "Trayvon" before the assault http://bit.ly/HtlAWC
4/1/12 St. Louis, MO 15 62 and 53 year old males assaulted in park before teens target 16 year old and steal his iPod http://bit.ly/HfFx0X

3/31/12 Toledo, OH 6 78 year old man robbed and assaulted by six juveniles http://bit.ly/HGfeAt 3/23/12 Minneapolis, MN
8-10 Three bicyclists attacked on Nicollet Mall. One sustains broken jaw. http://bit.ly/Ha9GLl

3/23/12 N. Miami Beach, FL
80-100 Walgreens ransacked by high school students during walkout protesting Trayvon Martin case http://bit.ly/GVFaKZ http://fcnews.tv/H1Knk8

3/17/12 Minneapolis, MN
20-30 27 year old male blindsided by teenagers while walking downtown on St. Patrick's Day suffers severe beating and brain injury.
http://bit.ly/I0ujL9 http://bit.ly/Ha9GLl

3/17/12 Seneca, SC 6 32 year old man assaulted outside an Applebee's - possible hate crime being investigated http://bit.ly/IOhvJr
3/17/12 Milwaukee, WI
"Mob" Mob of teens crosses the street unprovoked, swarms over 35 year old man, beats him and takes his bike and cell phone. Man suffers a dislocated shoulder, bruised ribs, twisted knee and a sprained ankle. http://bit.ly/IKFevD

3/17/12 Baltimore, MD
~10 Tourist viciously assaulted, stripped naked, and robbed of his car keys, watch, money, and iPhone. http://cbsloc.al/HfgD04 http://bit.ly/HvuIaN

3/11/12 Minneapolis, MN
n/a Four men, ages 21 to 30, attacked. Two bikes stolen; one recovered. http://bit.ly/Ha9GLl

2/25/12 Minneapolis, MD
n/a Suspects assault two men, ages 22 and 25. Neither victim required hospitalization. No immediate arrests http://bit.ly/Ha9GLl

2/24/12 Pittsburgh, PA
6 Man walking home from work attacked by six kids aged 11-14
http://bit.ly/xSJ7Re

2/20/12 Minneapolis, MN
6-7 Six to seven young men, one with a handgun, threaten and then assault a 28-year-old St. Paul man, taking his cellphone and leaving him with face and torso injuries that did not require hospitalization. http://bit.ly/Ha9GLl

2/3/12 Minneapolis, MNSeveral Several suspects, one displaying a handgun, assault a group of five young men, ages 18 to 19. http://bit.ly/Ha9GLl

1/28/12 Syracuse, NY 9 Grocery store swarmed, $38k stolen http://bit.ly/wopb3A

1/28/12 Philadelphia, PA
~Dozen College student in Center City assaulted as taxi cab attacked while stopped at red light http://bit.ly/xVkY7N http://bit.ly/xNVHyq

1/15/12 Chicago, IL 6 Asian teen brutally assaulted and robbed, video of attack was posted on YouTube http://bit.ly/yg7bKx
12/26/11 Bloomington, MN
200 Fights throughout mall, reports of shoppers being knocked down and items stolen from kiosks and mall goers - Some stores shut down, at least 10 arrests
http://bit.ly/vTaYKd

12/23/11 Over 20 Locations! Many Fights and stampedes across country for release of Air Jordan sneakers http://on.msnbc.com/rTwNvC http://bit.ly/tS9Czt

12/5/11 Staten Island, NY
50-55 Huge crowd of teens on street for gang fight turn on police officer, firefighters disperse crowd with hoses
http://bit.ly/zWJBnJ

11/26/11 Milwaukee, WI >10 Gas station convenience store ransacked ($500+ in merchandise stolen)
http://bit.ly/w7Mntg
11/19/11 Silver Spring, MD 50 7-Eleven ransacked by teens and young adults http://bit.ly/spcBvV 11/17/11 Dallas, TX
>4 Young teens try to rob DART passenger of his iPod, victim is killed by train while trying to flee http://bit.ly/sNkWFq
11/11/11 Minneapolis, MN
3-4 Teens brutally sucker punch and rob 40 year old man in unprovoked attack at bus stop http://bit.ly/teIk2z
10/31/11 Minneapolis, MN
4 University of Minnesota student sucker punched and robbed http://bit.ly/sTOUXT
10/22/11 Peoria, IL >40 Teens surround car, shattering driver's window and brandish handgun http://bit.ly/sIuzMX
10/21/11 St. Louis, MO >12 Male and female teens attack 51 year old pizza employee, breaking his jaw in unprovoked attack http://bit.ly/rS8QyQ
10/19/11 Peoria, IL 15 Meals on Wheels driver verbally threatened and vehicle pounded on http://bit.ly/sIuzMX
10/15/11 Minneapolis, MN
25-40 Teens storm Pedal Pub, attempt to steal riders' possessions, successful steal Blackberry http://bit.ly/oOaVdq http://bit.ly/zAKz4F
9/27/11 Philadelphia, PA Unknown Four people shot (incl. 2 year old) after high school girls storm house and escalate altercation http://bit.ly/q0n19Z
9/14/11 Chicago, IL 4 Women beat, rob, and carjack 80 year old retired Chicago police detective http://bit.ly/nQWYks
9/12/11 Jersey City, NJ
50 Male juveniles brawling outside high school - one throws baseball bat at police officer http://bit.ly/p0KMov
9/11/11 Denver, CO
10-15 Four men attacked on 16th Street Mall http://cbsloc.al/nqSmqn
9/11/11 Denver, CO
5 Second attack of the night in Denver (possibly related to first) - Two men walking home after celebrating birthday are attacked, spend night in hospital http://bit.ly/q7c8LS
9/10/11 Minneapolis, MN Hundreds Multiple fights, outdoor furniture thrown and bystanders confronted after downtown teen dance party http://bit.ly/rgT6SW
9/9/11 Philadelphia, PA
Dozens Youth Athletic League director tells two teens being chased by dozens of others to take shelter in his house - Mob beats him with a pipe in front of his own family http://bit.ly/omjJ0j http://bit.ly/ng3vUk

9/2/11 Ann Arbor, MI 4 Man attacked and robbed of wallet, phone, and ID on University of Michigan campus http://bit.ly/nw15iz 9/1/11 Madison, WI 4-7 Two college students beat outside gym in unprovoked attack http://bit.ly/n6r2kW 8/31/11 Atlanta, GA 10 Three vehicle "smash-and-grab" robbery at liquor store http://bit.ly/poaX4h
8/31/11 Chicago, IL
4 Grad student riding bicycle assaulted by youths with fake rifle (suffered concussion and stitches) - Beaten on ground and robbed of backpack and bike http://trib.in/pZxJGT http://bit.ly/nsNzfC 8/26/11 Dallas, TX
25+ Teens ransack convenience store, store clerk viciously assaulted while trying to apprehend shoplifters http://bit.ly/oCkfNK http://bit.ly/qAOSgh

8/25/11 St. Louis, MO 10-15 Roving bands of teens charge and attack bicyclists near Missouri Botanical Gardens http://cbsloc.al/nW3Pfk http://bit.ly/pd8OCh

8/19/11 Chicago, IL 7 18 year old man robbed and beaten outside CTA station http://trib.in/r9dguU
8/18/11 Washington DC 10 Teenage girls "flash rob" convenience store. Some idiots mentioned in article excuse this behavior. http://bit.ly/qr1zrT

8/16/11 Wilmington, DE 7 Food deliveryman viciously beaten until unconscious and robbed http://cbsloc.al/r5Wxkj 8/14/11 Philadelphia, PA

5 Teens jump 22 year old man before attack is broken up by plainclothes officers http://bit.ly/ppXQ9Y

[Star Tsar]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.


I agree and this is not the first thread this has happened on with the same protagonist.
I don't see A security Guard, a single person running round with any goods in their arms & causing any damage in fact the freaking video is called food fight!
A little armless fun (well not to Walmart but who cares about that CORPORATION)
Unified you need a little vacation!

Paul I thought you where a admin?

:confused:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You would be surprised by the standards of my ethics, i dont need jesus, muhammed, buddha, krishna, Vishnu for keeping up that standard either, nobody has to threathen me with punishment to do the right thing, i do those things all by myself.

Those kids were idiots, some damage was done, however nothing compared to wars waged, thievery and assholery of multinationals, international politics, sexism, racism and many other isms. By the way, those kids pay taxes too, these taxes fund all of the above. Sorry for the kids who had to work late because of this, not good, i work late lots of times too, it happens.

By the way, i wish those plastic crap selling corporations would just NOT exist, the fumes from a burning Walmart (godforbid) would be enough to Kill a middle sized city off completely so as far as i am concerned it is a bussines of potential mass destruction.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[TargeT]

http://www.violentflashmobs.com/ -- propiganda web site?


This web site has no flashmobs at all that I can see.... just small group violence, there isn't one thing you posted with more than 30 people in it and I was NEVER at a flashmob (ok, only 3) that had LESS than 180 in it....

I wonder why this "flash mob" is being attacked so much, perhaps just more divide qnd conqure... I could see it being looked on as "bad" if we can spontaniously cooperate on a large (semi-large really, 100's of people isn't that many really)

The website is registered to :
PrivacyProtect.org
( http://www.ratite.com/whois/whois.cgi?domain=contact@privacyprotect.org )

which means they are hiding who owns it.... which is QUESTIONABLE to me....



A Flash Mob America flash mob is a spontaneous public performance, usually a dance, that appears seemingly out of nowhere with just one person, grows to hundreds of people, then quickly disappears. Flash Mob America strives to give them purpose which is to CREATE JOY THRU SURPRISE. People who participate in our flash mobs feel like they’ve gotten to be a part of something special.



http://www.flashmobamerica.com/

http://searchmobilecomputing.techtarget.com/definition/flash-mob

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flash%20mob

[ThePythonicCow]

Just like my daring to bring up any subject some of you on this forum do not like, you immediately accuse me of something.


You might not like me bringing this information forward, but I do not believe you can rightly accuse me of being a racist or bigot because I posted a thread dealing with events happening in my country. I did not make 300 black kids run rampant and break equipment and steal from Wal-mart.


Every time some of you don't like something I say, you attack me, call names, and don't deal with the topic.


If you don't like the facts, distract, attack, mock, ridicule and change the subject. Dear God, don't deal with the subject at hand. That would require some intellectual honesty.

Matthew 7:3 (http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm)

[noprophet]

Oh, we can disagree. These kids did damage to property among other things. They don't have a right to destroy property. Who do you think pays employees to clean this up? What about those who want to go home to their families who can't because of the mess left behind? Oh, it's just kids having some fun. Again, no one cares about ethics anymore it seems.

You can't control people.

What's the goal?

[Unified Serenity]

So Paul, you don't think we have a problem in this country with gangs of kids attacking people at random? Are you saying if I am not perfect then I can't point out what is going on? I see, so will you quote Matthew 7:3 to anyone else who points out some wrong doing or is it just the subject of the thread you find a problem? I mean, I don't see you doing this on the anti-Jew threads. I don't see you doing this on threads bashing various other people or groups.

Yes, let's pull out the Matthew 7:3 card if you don't like the subject.

There is trouble brewing in America folks. This video and the list of events I posted are all factual events. Ignore them at your own peril.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Oh, we can disagree. These kids did damage to property among other things. They don't have a right to destroy property. Who do you think pays employees to clean this up? What about those who want to go home to their families who can't because of the mess left behind? Oh, it's just kids having some fun. Again, no one cares about ethics anymore it seems.

You can't control people.

What's the goal?

The goal is to inform people of what is going on in the country. Apparently it only matters to some if the people doing something wrong fit a pc demographic.

[noprophet]

The goal is to inform people of what is going on in the country.

Are you saying high schoolers are out of hand?

[DeDukshyn]

When I was in high school, I had an instructor who told us about a rumble between our small town and the next one -- altogether about 600 youths assembled in a field for an ultimate rumble! Many injuries, the police had to wait until it was over. Happened in the 70's I think ... even before Obama's influence came to a small Canadian town and caused lawlessness and disregard. I'm not sure how that could have happened since things were totally different then ... especially with 600 as opposed to a measly 300.

Ok I just wasted way too much of my life ... watching the video .. reading a few posts, and writing this ... <fading static>

[Ellisa]

Unified Serenity--- I just re-looked at the original video, and I cannot see the riot still. There is an element of fear at what could happen, but it didn't (at least not in the video, which is all I have to go on). The shelves are not emptied, the people are very noisy, but laughing and smiling and those apples (surely a weapon in a riot) are unthrown.

Posting a long list of other instances where there were riots is all very well but this first video does not show a riot. It may make uneasy viewing--- such incidences do rapidly deteriorate into violence, but this one-as far as it goes- did not. It's not great behaviour in the light of the tenseness of some in the general community evident in some of the replies, but it does look as though people kept their heads and reacted well so no one got hurt.

It really is pearl-clutching stuff, (and yes I have heard that before!) In the explanation it omitted to mention that pearls are usually supposed to be worn by the upper-class 'ladies who lunch' and pearl clutching happens when the clutching is done by our 'elders and betters'. In other words it upsets the establishment.

[gigha]

I grew up in Scotland in a quaint little town called Cumbernauld

look it up :target:


the things i saw in regards to groups of youths

this is just an example

it happens everywhere

it always has

a store owner found a guy stealing the thief got upset so a fight broke out it ended up on the street the owner was winning then the thief"s friend broke a bottle and gave it to his friend he then stuck said bottle into the owner's face. Much blood, but that was not enough the next day around 200 kids went back to the store and smashed every window and chased every employee out they then stole everything they could. Some Mothers turned up and asked the kids to pass out packs of cigarettes and loafs of bread and more.

I now live in Canada and most people do not believe the stories i tell them.

I'm sure that there are a few on PA that have had similar experiences

I get upset when anyone gets singled out

History has shown that all of humanity no matter

race or colour is capable of destruction.


gigha

[humanalien]

Flash mobs are known across the United States
as a group of people dancing, having fun and
enjoying themselves while entertaining others.

However, the Walmart off Lem Turner Road in
Jacksonville fell victim to a flash robbery
when more than 300 people entered the store
and destroyed the security system as well as
some merchandise.

According to a police report, the group destroyed
an electronic anti-shop lifting security scanner
that costs about $1,500. The police report also
stated the massive crowd could have arrived at the
store after a party that was broken up on Sampson Road.

YouTube video showed the teens throwing food and merchandise
around the store.

Channel 4 crime analyst Ken Jefferson said any sort of crime
where there's hundreds of people involved is a dangerous situation.

"You've got a large number of people going and coming at the same
time they are throwing produce," Jefferson said. "They are stealing
items, they are all over the store. You can imagine how fearful the
customers were who were in there at that particular time."

Police did not make any arrests after the mob of people took over the
store. If caught, these teens could face criminal charges.

Flash Mob 'Flash Robbery' Takes Over Walmart In Jacksonville Caught On Video!

p11B_X0p5b4


So now, you got information, straight from the local news source that
says these black kids did in fact rob the store and caused destruction
to the place. All because they were all booted out of a nearby party
by the cops. Walmart didn't deserve what they got.....

[Mark]

The main ignorance displayed by the presence of this thread on an otherwise esteemable site such as PA is to combine race and class but only concentrate upon the race aspect while ignoring the class aspect. I am finding it typical and disappointing of a certain fear-based mentality. The progress of this thread has not helped matters when the unwillingness of anybody to confront the basic fallacy of the OP:


So, this is what we have to look forward to? I wonder how proud their families are of them, and if we are about to see a lot more of this behavior. Yes, they are owed and they look so downtrodden with their phones, bling, and lawless mindsets:

This phrase is dripping with resentfulness, sarcasm and probably unconscious stereotyping. What are these kids owed? And what does their bling represent? I will assume the fact that some of them may have pay-as-you-go phones and maybe some jewelry as the OP's belief that these kids are well-off and have great homes and futures ahead of them. I will also assume that the OP is speaking of reparations. Reparations being some form of collective payment to the descendants of enslaved Africans, much like the Jews received after WWII or the Japanese. Save the arguments about current generations vs generations that did not suffer directly. The institutionalization of racism throughout America that continues to result in terrible conditions for finding work or having access to education for these kids and countless others all across the country is statistically undeniable and recounted in too many places across the Net for me to even consider posting quotes.

The internalization of oppression results in group-stereotyping that plays into the overall racist meme of the society, that also is documented. In plain language, those who are hated begin to hate themselves and to display such in their group behavior. Bill Cosby talks about it all the time and other individuals have discussed it also within the context of African-American political discussions. That has been brought up since the OP but really is beyond the point of the original statement.

It's really simple when you get down to it.

1. Flash mobs are another way that local and national police forces have demonized urban kids. Much like they have demonized "sovereign citizens", actually, by taking the actions of a few and applying them to larger groups. It is easy in this case because of the fears of whites of blacks, of kids, especially.

2. In searching Youtube, there are many different videos where cities across the country have put out news articles talking about the "new phenomenon" in the past year or so of flash mobs, generally kids having fun, but sometimes fights occur or some of them get in trouble, which happens anytime a bunch of rowdy kids get together in public spaces. More mainstream demonization with very little of substance to back it up.

3. At some point the OP wrote that there are no videos of white kids doing something similar. There are many instances of majority-white populated college sports events and large-scale street parties that turn into something very similar to flash mobs, but the college sports events are generally much larger and, because they are white children of privilege, the cops hold off nor do they typify the looting and destruction that occurs as racial in nature. It is the privilege of the majority population to be 'color-blind' when it comes to stereotyping.

One more thing to consider: 300 kids in Walmart and ALL THEY DID WAS $1500 IN DAMAGE WITH NOTHING PROVEN STOLEN????

Thier intent was not to steal, the video shows a bunch of kids in a store, climbing on things, running around, having fun.

C'mon. It's Walmart. You can put over $1500 of merchandise in your pocket.

Well, maybe in a cart. Or two. or three.

At any rate, this thread is more about the fear of a certain segment of the American population. It is not about anything based upon reality.

BOO!!!!!!

[GCS1103]

The main ignorance displayed by the presence of this thread on an otherwise esteemable site such as PA is to combine race and class but only concentrate upon the race aspect while ignoring the class aspect. I am finding it typical and disappointing of a certain fear-based mentality. The progress of this thread has not helped matters when the unwillingness of anybody to confront the basic fallacy of the OP:


So, this is what we have to look forward to? I wonder how proud their families are of them, and if we are about to see a lot more of this behavior. Yes, they are owed and they look so downtrodden with their phones, bling, and lawless mindsets:

This phrase is dripping with resentfulness, sarcasm and probably unconscious stereotyping. What are these kids owed? And what does their bling represent? I will assume the fact that some of them may have pay-as-you-go phones and maybe some jewelry as the OP's belief that these kids are well-off and have great homes and futures ahead of them. I will also assume that the OP is speaking of reparations. Reparations being some form of collective payment to the descendants of enslaved Africans, much like the Jews received after WWII or the Japanese. Save the arguments about current generations vs generations that did not suffer directly. The institutionalization of racism throughout America that continues to result in terrible conditions for finding work or having access to education for these kids and countless others all across the country is statistically undeniable and recounted in too many places across the Net for me to even consider posting quotes.

The internalization of oppression results in group-stereotyping that plays into the overall racist meme of the society, that also is documented. In plain language, those who are hated begin to hate themselves and to display such in their group behavior. Bill Cosby talks about it all the time and other individuals have discussed it also within the context of African-American political discussions. That has been brought up since the OP but really is beyond the point of the original statement.

It's really simple when you get down to it.

1. Flash mobs are another way that local and national police forces have demonized urban kids. Much like they have demonized "sovereign citizens", actually, by taking the actions of a few and applying them to larger groups. It is easy in this case because of the fears of whites of blacks, of kids, especially.

2. In searching Youtube, there are many different videos where cities across the country have put out news articles talking about the "new phenomenon" in the past year or so of flash mobs, generally kids having fun, but sometimes fights occur or some of them get in trouble, which happens anytime a bunch of rowdy kids get together in public spaces. More mainstream demonization with very little of substance to back it up.

3. At some point the OP wrote that there are no videos of white kids doing something similar. There are many instances of majority-white populated college sports events and large-scale street parties that turn into something very similar to flash mobs, but the college sports events are generally much larger and, because they are white children of privilege, the cops hold off nor do they typify the looting and destruction that occurs as racial in nature. It is the privilege of the majority population to be 'color-blind' when it comes to stereotyping.

One more thing to consider: 300 kids in Walmart and ALL THEY DID WAS $1500 IN DAMAGE WITH NOTHING PROVEN STOLEN????

Thier intent was not to steal, the video shows a bunch of kids in a store, climbing on things, running around, having fun.

C'mon. It's Walmart. You can put over $1500 of merchandise in your pocket.

Well, maybe in a cart. Or two. or three.

At any rate, this thread is more about the fear of a certain segment of the American population. It is not about anything based upon reality.

BOO!!!!!!

Hi, Mark, my friend.

I am going to send you a PM, later on today. (By the way, I consider myself very lucky to have you as a friend; "friend" as in real friend and not an empty platitude).

Love,
Goldie

[Maia Gabrial]

It seems like the only time racism is used is when the law is being broken or the "rights of being" are being violated. Screaming racism is a pathetic way to excuse what was done.
If these kids would have gone into Walmart and had done amazing things there, like offer to help clean the place or stock or be kind to customers coming in, the issue of race would NEVER have come up, would it have? Don't blame people for seeing this horrible behavior for what it was. All of you should be admonishing these kids for their lack of good conduct.... But I see that YOU are the ones throwing race card in there, too. I'm sorry if you feel THAT'S the issue here. It's not.... I see these black kids as pawns in a deadly game that will harm all of us in the long run. We MUST be cautious in all things....

Make no mistake about it, things willl change. This president said so. It's already here, folks. It was bad before. Now it's worse because the flames of hatred are being fanned by TPTW. These kids are being used to incite YOU. It's time to walk the walk.... Say it loud, I ain't playing THAT damn game!

[Cartomancer]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5. Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

Are you actually trying to defend some of the offensive claptrap that is on this thread here and now we are posting on and not some other thread? Do you think the offensive comments made on this thread are acceptable? Are you trying to say that since no one complained about the racism on another thread that this is o.k.? This seems to be what you are implying. If you saw something offensive on another thread why didn't you complain about it? Its almost as if you are defending the "theme" of this thread or are trying to rationalize what has been done and said here as if its alright when it absolutely is not IMO.

[Cartomancer]

Flash mobs are known across the United States
as a group of people dancing, having fun and
enjoying themselves while entertaining others.

However, the Walmart off Lem Turner Road in
Jacksonville fell victim to a flash robbery
when more than 300 people entered the store
and destroyed the security system as well as
some merchandise.

According to a police report, the group destroyed
an electronic anti-shop lifting security scanner
that costs about $1,500. The police report also
stated the massive crowd could have arrived at the
store after a party that was broken up on Sampson Road.

YouTube video showed the teens throwing food and merchandise
around the store.

Channel 4 crime analyst Ken Jefferson said any sort of crime
where there's hundreds of people involved is a dangerous situation.

"You've got a large number of people going and coming at the same
time they are throwing produce," Jefferson said. "They are stealing
items, they are all over the store. You can imagine how fearful the
customers were who were in there at that particular time."

Police did not make any arrests after the mob of people took over the
store. If caught, these teens could face criminal charges.

Flash Mob 'Flash Robbery' Takes Over Walmart In Jacksonville Caught On Video!

p11B_X0p5b4


So now, you got information, straight from the local news source that
says these black kids did in fact rob the store and caused destruction
to the place. All because they were all booted out of a nearby party
by the cops. Walmart didn't deserve what they got.....

If it will make you feel better here's a video of a bunch of white middle class college students rioting because their party got broken up by the police. After this happened I didn't see anyone complaining what color their skin was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naCKTOn2QY0

[Nortreb]

This thread is showing signs of the effect of Sunspot complex AR1520-1521 on the dirt placed in the Human complex! Eons ago ;)

[Arrowwind]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090). Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

I know its a difficult wake up call. It is not racist. It is political. The Zionist movement is polittical not religious nor race based. If you hate enough and want power control in the right direction you can be a zionist too. There is not prerequsite to be Jewish.

I have not confused Jews with Zionist but the Zionist movement was born out of the Jewish traditon and peoples. It was the Zionist Jew that moved Palestine people out of the lands of Israel at gunpoint after World War II with the full support of the watching world.

Zionists have co-opted the average Jew on the street... and I almost fell for it myself way back when I was in the process of converting to the Jewish religion.

You obviously did not watch the movie I presented on the other thread.

You will never be free from your opressor unless you understand who your opressor is.

Dont you realize that the whole corrupted media empire as well as many of the Banks that stole from the people and were bailed out with the American Tax Payers dollar are Zionist Jews... (think Goldman Sachs and Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve as well as Alan Greenspan who have worked to drive us into this mess that we are in. They are NOT THE JEWS OF THE TORAH! They are NWO movers and shakers who promote control and hate towards Muslims and anyone who gets in their way.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a consortium of 9 Jewish-owned & associated banks with the Rothschilds at the head:
$1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
$2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
$3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
$4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
$5. Lehman Brothers of NY
$6. Kuhn, Loeb Bank of NY (Now Shearson American Express)
$7. Goldman, Sachs of NY
$8. National Bank of Commerce NY/Morgan Guaranty Trust (J. P. Morgan Bank - Equitable Life - Levi P. Morton are principal shareholders)
$9. Hanover Trust of NY (William and David Rockefeller & Chase National Bank NY are principal shareholders).

You may choose to call this racism and bigotry. I consider that just the result of your lack of education.
Take the wake up call or leave it as you choose.

oh and by the way here is a link to the thread that is of such concern to GCS1103
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090

[Arrowwind]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I agree and this is not the first thread this has happened on with the same protagonist.
I don't see A security Guard, a single person running round with any goods in their arms & causing any damage in fact the freaking video is called food fight!
A little armless fun (well not to Walmart but who cares about that CORPORATION)
Unified you need a little vacation!

Paul I thought you where a admin?

:confused:
Yes, I suspect that this has been promoted to foster fear. Nothing more fearful that a gang of black kids right? Its oh so easy to stimulate fear of blacks stil, in the USA.
It is essentially a nonevent in light of the war crimes and murder that rages around the world promoted by our governement and the United Nations.

[LarryC]

When you think about what Walmart is all about, I'd say they deserve something a lot worse. I'm not a fan of out of control mobs of any age or race, but on one level behavior like this can be seen as a natural reaction to the type of society we have. I'm reminded of the scene in Pink Floyd's The Wall movie. Maybe burning down schools and ransacking Walmart isn't the ideal form of social protest, but it's understandable nonetheless. When you create a corrupt, sterile and exploitative system complete with ugly, soulless buildings that sell mass made plastic junk from all over the world, you can't really expect the youth to treat it with reverence.

[Maia Gabrial]

If it will make you feel better here's a video of a bunch of white middle class college students rioting because their party got broken up by the police. After this happened I didn't see anyone complaining what color their skin was.

I'd say that the same thing applies to these white kids as well. Admonish their unacceptable behavior. They were wrong and it's everyone's responsibility to correct them. If no one takes the time to teach them integrity and honor, then they learn nothing. THIS is what I call DUMBED DOWN.... not the poor quality of public school education. Just because these were whites DOESN'T make it any less wrong. And if you're looking for equal reporting by Lame Stream, then you're dreaming. They have alot to do with inciting people against each other. Admit it to yourselves that there's some kind of agenda against people of races. Make up your minds that you're not cooperating in it anymore....We just have to stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated by those behind it all. This is one of those matters that we say NO to. We aren't going to hate another fellow divine being. THAT should urk the living daylights out of TPTW...

[Hervé]

OK, dear people... here is something to consider when looking at these esoteric displays... what actually happened behind a people's back:

Taken from here: Speaking of "Street Crimes," Riots, etc... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27884-Speaking-of-Street-Crimes-Riots-etc...)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png […]

Oh, I said that I would say something about the lives of those kids that went through that university facility. The torture was unimaginable bad for two weeks.

After that they had to report once a week or so to a CIA case officer on a corner near their school to give him a signed contract. If the kid did not deliver—did not seduce his parents friends and blackmail them into pushing for the CIA, or in some other way get a person that week to agree to push drugs, hand guns, or pimp girls, then the CIA put the heat on him. That could take a variety of forms and was largely up to the imagination of the case officer.

The simplest method was to bully the kid by twisting his arm or threatening him or his parents with death, dismemberment or torture. That was usually enough to get the kid to deliver. The kids ranged in age from about 6 to 16. The case officers preferred the younger ones—about age 8 to 10—they still tried to obey without a lot of flak. There was a quota system. The kid had to make a certain amount of money for the CIA each month.

If he didn’t he could be disappeared into the "Finder’s Den". Those kids had it much worse. Sometimes a case officer would take the kid to see those whorehouse drug dens to impress upon the kid not to screw up. The kids that ended up in the Finder’s Den were already severely traumatized before they arrived. Torture, whether it is consciously remembered or not, has a crippling effect on the mind. It is worse than broken bones. Bones heal up. Violated trust does not.

The kids made a kickback, a small "finder’s" fee for delivering each pusher. It amounted to about a 100 a month. It was a lot of money for poor kids. Occasionally a parent figured out that the kid was being paid; and not for mowing lawns either.

A few parents sent other of their kids into the program to get a second dividend coming into the household. More often other kids noticed this extra money and wanted to know how to get it. As a result some kids got sucked into this CIA net to make money not knowing what was involved.

This was a national program. I am only talking about one facility. The failures ended up at Finder’s Dens, or dead. These kids were not usually sold into sexual slavery to independent brothel owners in the US.

They had been mind controlled at a fixed facility and had they remembered that it could have exposed that affiliated university to negative publicity and lawsuits. They were however sold overseas if they screwed up.

Part of the reason the CIA ran this program was because it felt like it was losing too much of the contraband profits to the middle men. Using kids like that, got rid of most of that expense.

It was against the child labor laws but the CIA and multinational Cabal did not care. If the kid was arrested by the police, the CIA just cut him loose and denied that they knew him. The kid could not prove it was the CIA. The case officers did not show them their badges or meet them at headquarters. A kid who was arrested spent time in juvenile detention. Sometimes they committed murder and big offenses to move the goods and ended up in the adult prisons.

At one point I looked at the issue of crime in the US. About 40% of crime in the US is directly due to the CIA. These kids were a major part of that.

The CIA only wanted to run them about 2 years. Then they were too streetwise to be easy to handle. After that they had to go independent or work for the competition if they wanted to continue making money that way. Some had no mental freedom to do otherwise because the mind control was not undone—it was merely not re-enforced and maintained.

Many ended up as pimps even at age 12 to 16. The CIA was having them sell tricks on the street for girls in its brothels or in any hotel room that it housed a sex slave in.

When the CIA turned the children loose, they sold their sister or their girlfriend, or the mentally retarded girl down the street. They knew by then how to hustle. They knew how to lie. And many of them figured out how to bribe the police to look the other way. They learned those things from the case officer and the pressure they were under not to get washed out to sea in the rip current to a foreign land.

Why end up as a sex slave in Saudi Arabia if you could live at home and work for yourself? Some sold their own bodies on the street. But they couldn’t usually make enough dough that way to satisfy the quota.

It was mainly a side line in case they couldn’t move the goods and had to make up a little on the side. The quota amounted to a profit of about $3,000 a month for the CIA, or about $40,000 per year. It was more than an average man’s income at the time. The bosses got roughly $33,000 per kid—about a full adult salary. So 3 kids were 100,000 a year for them, 30 were a million, 300 were 10 million, 3,000 were 100 million, and 30,000 were a billion. This was a worldwide operation, although in poorer countries the financial yields were different.

The drug trade is a big business. These kids were the child soldiers in it. They died of gun shot wounds, of suicide, of high speed get-away car crashes in stolen cars, of AIDS, of gang rapes, and of gang warfare. About 30% were dead by the time the CIA wanted to let them go two years later. It was about 20 times the expected death rate.

The CIA tried to figure out how to make 90% of them “phased out” of life by then so they couldn’t talk later. They fostered gangs and fueled gang warfare to do it. They supplied the names of the kids on the opposite side and gave bounties for their deaths of about $800. They got the extinction rate up to almost 90% by the end of the kids “useful life” to them.

Talk to the kids that survived in LA in the Bloods and the Crips. Talk to them about how they decided who to kill next.

To join the gang you had to kill. To make top dog you had to keep killing. The names were delivered with the money and the goods to sell. If you didn’t move goods you didn’t stay free. To move goods you had to have them.

To get them you had to kill a person on the list you got before the next delivery of goods or you didn’t get any. The reason for killing them was explained as “they are hurting our business—they are working for the opposition. Get them.”

The CIA was running both the Bloods and the Crips in LA. The opposition was a mirage. They wanted the kids dead after two years.

The CIA already knew where the kid lived and who it was selling to. If they wanted a kid gone, they made one call. The police came to the house and arrested the child or the CIA kidnappers arrived at the school and stole the kid.

Some kids tried to run and some managed to stay underground. But most did not understand that it was a nationwide and global problem. Setting up business in another city didn’t necessarily protect you.

I want to say a little bit more about how I knew about this “kill the kid” scheme because it is relevant to the issue of how trust worthy the information is. The CIA wanted me, as a past child assassin, to train some of these kids. They figured that since they had forced me to kill as a child of 9, that I should be able to help them force these kids to kill for them. It was almost a reasonable assumption. But it was also true that I had learned as a child how not to kill people starting at age 10, even while I was inside the CIA. That was a much harder thing to learn to do because the pressure at the CIA was all running in the direction of killing.

The assignment was handed to me by the DCI Gates, the DCI for Bush Sr. as President. He wanted me to go to Bakersfield, California, about a 3 hour drive from where I lived and train a gang of kids how to kill.

To be specific, Gates at a meeting told a group of us, senior CIA people, about the new initiative—the plan to phase out the “down-line” kids after 2 years instead of cutting them loose. He explained that this was necessary because the kids were too unruly and uppity after two years to obey the CIA officer.

However, cutting them loose meant that a good 20% of them ended up working for the opposition or for themselves. They thus became competition and cut into the Cabal’s profits. I pointed out that the 2-year limit was arbitrary and it was unfair to waste the kids. In fact, about 40% continued to be good producers and obedient. So even if one ascribed to the idea that the unruly should be killed, which I did not, this 2-year policy was blatantly unjust. And the 60% were unruly criminals only because the CIA had made them that way starting from kids they had selected as well-behaved and intelligent.


But Gates refused to change the policy, which was set by the Cabal on the recommendation of an independent think tank on how to maximize Cabal profits. So even though 3 times in this meeting of about 15 people, I object to this program for various moral reasons I got nowhere.

I recommended that the CIA at least study how to assess these kids as to which were worth retaining with an eye to their moving up into the CIA later. It was a stalling maneuver on my part to try to delay the execution order. Gates would not consider it. He was going to obey this execution order without delay. The kids were to do the executions of each other.

It reminded me of the purge when I was 9, when only 3 of over a thousand of us survived the purge. I wanted to cry. I stared out the window of the 7th floor at the tops of the trees in the distance while Gates kept on talking. He complained that I was ignoring him. I wasn’t ignoring him. I was thinking about what it would take for me to throw him through the glass pane to his death.

After I figured out how I could do it, I thought about whether it would actually stop the kids from being executed by the Cabal. When, sadly, I saw by looking at the future that it would not, I gave up the plan.

At that moment, Gates turned to me and told me that I was to be one of his bodyguards that night. That was not an unusual assignment—I often did some bodyguard work for DCIs at night—usually while in their beds. Fortunately, Gates was not requiring me to do it from his bed. He just wanted me with him that night so he could get me to play a Russian Chess master. I mention that because as I was in the middle of playing Gufeld (sp) and winning, it occurred to me that if I could beat a competent chess master using my remote viewing skills I should be able to figure out how to outwit Gates and prevent the execution order from going forward the next week.

The next day, instead of throwing Gates out of a window of the 7th floor, I threw his chess set out the window. I was accused of littering. I used the opportunity to get out of the rest of the meeting, the second part on implementing the execution order.

As I picked up the chess pieces, I was crying and imaging them to be those children. I put them in the box and then feeling rather irrationally that I had just accidentally put them in prison, I took them out and lined them up on the sidewalk as if to start a chess game. A high-ranking analyst, the equivalent of the number 2 man in the dept. happened by and we started playing a game of chess on the sidewalk.

Part way through as he was losing he said, “You seem upset. This isn’t like you. Is there anything I can do to help?”

I burst into tears and then explained the execution order. He listened patiently and then he said, “Oh, I think that I could hold that up for at least a good 6 months.” He was as good as his word. He managed to initiate “crucial” studies of the cost-benefit ratio of the plan.

Unfortunately, even his own analysts concluded that it was more cost effective to kill them all after 2 years than to have the case officers assess them as to which should not be terminated. The logic of that went something like, “If the officers have to decide which to save, they will want to save their favorites. And having decided to save the kids that they personally are screwing in their beds, they will be tempted to save some others as well.

Since any one of them talking could destroy the revenue stream of the Agency, then none should be excluded from this necessary measure.” That appalled me.

The only reason that the CIA could think of for saving a person was to go on screwing them in bed. I thought about that with respect to my own position in the CIA. As useful as my remote viewing skills were, it was true that I, as a slave, probably would not have survived had I not regularly been in the beds of the DCIs.

I did go to Bakersfield and meet with the gang of largely 13 year olds. I did not teach them how to kill well. I taught them how to die well. I was quite honest with them. I explained to them that the CIA wanted them dead after two years on the job and intended to get them to kill their buddies.

There was only one gang in Bakersfield to speak of and I had been sent to that city because the CIA was not sure how to get a single gang to kill itself. They assumed that I would figure out how to split it in two in a divide and conquer strategy.

When I finished explaining this to these normally loud and restless youths, the recreation hall was dead silent. One of them asked me what I recommended they do.

They could see for themselves that it was easy to split them into warring fractions and get them to fight other. I told them that I recommended that they learn to die protecting each other.

“Against the whole CIA?” one girl asked anxiously.

“Why not?” I asked. “It doesn’t matter how many people you have gunning for you if you can have the satisfaction of dying to protect a friend.”

They understood that. These teenagers that had been running drugs and pimping for the CIA, understood that they could get personal satisfaction from helping a friend.

So I taught them how to die for each other. How to put their bodies in front of another while others aimed a gun at them or swung two by fours at them.

We practiced it a couple of hours together. That was all the time I had with them.

The execution order came down about 8 months later. The CIA sent in another person into Bakersfield to divide and conquer them. He tried and then wrote a report saying that he didn’t know what I had done, but the kids had such solidarity with each other that nothing he did to divide them worked.

None of those kids died. The CIA could not get them to kill each other and by the grace of God, the police refused to arrest them. I heard later that as a group they voted to go straight and stop pimping for the CIA.

No doubt the CIA recruited other kids through mind control measures. It was only a small victory against evil but it was a victory none-the-less.

I managed to report this intervention on my part as an important research study on non-violent resistance and since the CIA had some interest in learning about the methods that could be used against them, they accepted that explanation. It was because of good skills that I managed to survive.

Not long after the execution order went into effect, there was backlash against it from the case officers in the field. Some quit.

Some refused to carry it out and some simply carried it out so ineffectively that is was like not carrying it out at all. In some cases warring gangs figured out what was going on and created truces to stop it.

But mostly, the gangs fought each other and children in the US died like they did in third world countries of the US policies of men who care for Profits, Not People (see Chomsky’s book of that title.) Children died alone of gunshot wounds in back alleys afraid to go to the hospital for fear of arrest, or worse—the torture they had suffered at the hands of the mind controllers.

Children got pregnant and had babies while they themselves were 11, 12, and 13 because the CIA had in effect forced their brothers to prostitute them to stay alive. And a whole safety of culture, of believing that a child could walk to the corner store safely, died under the CIA’s villainy.

Corrupt politicians and agencies led to violence on the street and disruption of family life. American went from a society where one could leave one’s house unlock to one in which it was not safe to let your children out of one’s sight. And it happened in a single generation from the start of the CIA in 1947 until now. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png

[GCS1103]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5. Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

Are you actually trying to defend some of the offensive claptrap that is on this thread here and now we are posting on and not some other thread? Do you think the offensive comments made on this thread are acceptable? Are you trying to say that since no one complained about the racism on another thread that this is o.k.? This seems to be what you are implying. If you saw something offensive on another thread why didn't you complain about it? Its almost as if you are defending the "theme" of this thread or are trying to rationalize what has been done and said here as if its alright when it absolutely is not IMO.

I am going to try to answer your post politely and civilly. You really have no clue what you are talking about when you ask me if I endorse the offensive comments made on this thread. Please don't get indignent with me; while you're sitting at your computer behind your anonymous avatar without the slightest idea of who I am or what I think. When I thanked certain posts, I did that because it's the behavior that I object to. The color of the kid's skin is irrelevant to me; I am color blind when it comes to race. I was brought up in a city where people are all colors and shapes. So never play the race card with me or give me a holier-than-thou attitude.

As to the other thread- yes I was highly offended. I posted a response to what I believed was an outrageously bigoted post about Jews- not Zionists, Jews. Unlike some here, I don't run to the mods to complain. I posted my response and that's it. I think the mods have more important issues to deal with and since I'm an adult I can handle this on my own. My complaining days to Paul are long over. I stand by my statement - some bigotry seems to be acceptable; now that's offensive and the height of hypocrisy.

[Arrowwind]

.... But I see that YOU are the ones throwing race card in there, too. I'm sorry if you feel THAT'S the issue here. It's not.... I see these black kids as pawns in a deadly game that will harm all of us in the long run. We MUST be cautious in all things....

Make no mistake about it, things willl change. This president said so. It's already here, folks. It was bad before. Now it's worse because the flames of hatred are being fanned by TPTW. These kids are being used to incite YOU. It's time to walk the walk.... Say it loud, I ain't playing THAT damn game!

I dont know about other parts of the world but racism does not need to be claimed or shouted here in the states. In America things are such that racism is implied just by presenting a person of color... no matter what color. If you have a group of white kids behaving badly thats just what it is, a group of white kids behaving badly. If you have a group of black or Mexican kids behaving badly you have a riot, a mob and a race issue... and this is why the film with white kids does not go very far but the one with black kids does. The media knows exactly what its doing by running such stuff. They know is spurs on old hatreds, fears and ignorance and pits people against people... and we have clearly seen how some people are susceptible to it on this forum.

If the economy continues to turn downward we will be seeing a lot more of these "flash mobs" as people grow more discontent with unemployment and lack of opportunity to prosper... and the kids dont always understand their pent up energy created by the repression of society, usless time on their hands and observing the economic failure of the adults around them... If they cant channel their energy it will explode.

[GCS1103]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090). Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

I know its a difficult wake up call. It is not racist. It is political. The Zionist movement is polittical not religious nor race based. If you hate enough and want power control in the right direction you can be a zionist too. There is not prerequsite to be Jewish.

I have not confused Jews with Zionist but the Zionist movement was born out of the Jewish traditon and peoples. It was the Zionist Jew that moved Palestine people out of the lands of Israel at gunpoint after World War II with the full support of the watching world.

Zionists have co-opted the average Jew on the street... and I almost fell for it myself way back when I was in the process of converting to the Jewish religion.

You obviously did not watch the movie I presented on the other thread.

You will never be free from your opressor unless you understand who your opressor is.

Dont you realize that the whole corrupted media empire as well as many of the Banks that stole from the people and were bailed out with the American Tax Payers dollar are Zionist Jews... (think Goldman Sachs and Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve as well as Alan Greenspan who have worked to drive us into this mess that we are in. They are NOT THE JEWS OF THE TORAH! They are NWO movers and shakers who promote control and hate towards Muslims and anyone who gets in their way.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a consortium of 9 Jewish-owned & associated banks with the Rothschilds at the head:
$1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
$2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
$3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
$4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
$5. Lehman Brothers of NY
$6. Kuhn, Loeb Bank of NY (Now Shearson American Express)
$7. Goldman, Sachs of NY
$8. National Bank of Commerce NY/Morgan Guaranty Trust (J. P. Morgan Bank - Equitable Life - Levi P. Morton are principal shareholders)
$9. Hanover Trust of NY (William and David Rockefeller & Chase National Bank NY are principal shareholders).

You may choose to call this racism and bigotry. I consider that just the result of your lack of education.
Take the wake up call or leave it as you choose.

oh and by the way here is a link to the thread that is of such concern to GCS1103
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090

I see. It's my "lack of education" that makes me disgusted by anti Jewish remarks. I notice a theme here- a great arrogance on the part of some members to call others that disagree with them, "unenlightened", "uneducated", "not evolved".

Arrowwind- there isn't anything that you can teach me that I haven't already heard or learned. If you think a post that describes how much someone hates Jews is just a political statement, maybe you should take a moment and think again.

[Hip Hipnotist]

I've been in several flash mobs, we never did ANYTHING negative EXCEPT maybe slow traffic down in one case, or cause people to "walk around us" in another.

These are fun, silly events that (in my case) always had an underlying message; there were never laws broken and we cleaned up after ourselves if we left a mess, the biggest one I was a part of had around 350 people.

I'd have to review the original video again, they seemed to NOT be rioting or damaging merchandise from what I could see, though at the same time I'm not sure what the purpose of the flash mob was other than to just "show up" ?

(I actually got bored watching it so I skipped around a bit, didn't pay too close attention).

I saw a lot of high melanin content individuals and a few lower melanin ones; all dressed similarly and seemingly peacefully enjoying themselves in a "mostly" legal gathering.


(had to jump in and defend flash mobs, they are pretty fun & useful ways of spreading a message)

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Hello, TargetT. I'm not 'ragging' on you but I'm curious as to what 'useful message' would be spread through a flash mob?

Okay, maybe I was 'ragging' -- but just a little. ;-)

[Sidney]

I havent read this thread in its intirety, but heres a theory (if no one else thought of it, and i missed it).. What if. this was a deliberate set-up.....false-flag if you will, so there is an excuse to start putting military in charge of retail security outlets, "for our safety of course". ??? Just a thought.

[ThePythonicCow]

OK, dear people... here is something to consider when looking at these esoteric displays... what actually happened behind a people's back:
This might be the most valuable post on this thread - thanks!

[humanalien]

Flash mobs are known across the United States
as a group of people dancing, having fun and
enjoying themselves while entertaining others.

However, the Walmart off Lem Turner Road in
Jacksonville fell victim to a flash robbery
when more than 300 people entered the store
and destroyed the security system as well as
some merchandise.

According to a police report, the group destroyed
an electronic anti-shop lifting security scanner
that costs about $1,500. The police report also
stated the massive crowd could have arrived at the
store after a party that was broken up on Sampson Road.

YouTube video showed the teens throwing food and merchandise
around the store.

Channel 4 crime analyst Ken Jefferson said any sort of crime
where there's hundreds of people involved is a dangerous situation.

"You've got a large number of people going and coming at the same
time they are throwing produce," Jefferson said. "They are stealing
items, they are all over the store. You can imagine how fearful the
customers were who were in there at that particular time."

Police did not make any arrests after the mob of people took over the
store. If caught, these teens could face criminal charges.

Flash Mob 'Flash Robbery' Takes Over Walmart In Jacksonville Caught On Video!

p11B_X0p5b4


So now, you got information, straight from the local news source that
says these black kids did in fact rob the store and caused destruction
to the place. All because they were all booted out of a nearby party
by the cops. Walmart didn't deserve what they got.....

If it will make you feel better here's a video of a bunch of white middle class college students rioting because their party got broken up by the police. After this happened I didn't see anyone complaining what color their skin was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naCKTOn2QY0

What is Chico State?

You call that a riot? That was nothing but a bunch of stupid
kids, jumping over a small fire.

I've seen video of white people rioting in the streets to. I'm
not saying that it doesn't happen because it does. Canada
has a really good video of white rioters, just because their
favorite, or should i say their home hockey team lost to
another team. They did far more damage to the city than
those black kids did to walmart.

The difference here is that it appears that our black population
in america are committing so many crimes that it's really shedding
a lot of bad light on them and they are only doing it to themselves.

[Arrowwind]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090). Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

I know its a difficult wake up call. It is not racist. It is political. The Zionist movement is polittical not religious nor race based. If you hate enough and want power control in the right direction you can be a zionist too. There is not prerequsite to be Jewish.

I have not confused Jews with Zionist but the Zionist movement was born out of the Jewish traditon and peoples. It was the Zionist Jew that moved Palestine people out of the lands of Israel at gunpoint after World War II with the full support of the watching world.

Zionists have co-opted the average Jew on the street... and I almost fell for it myself way back when I was in the process of converting to the Jewish religion.

You obviously did not watch the movie I presented on the other thread.

You will never be free from your opressor unless you understand who your opressor is.

Dont you realize that the whole corrupted media empire as well as many of the Banks that stole from the people and were bailed out with the American Tax Payers dollar are Zionist Jews... (think Goldman Sachs and Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve as well as Alan Greenspan who have worked to drive us into this mess that we are in. They are NOT THE JEWS OF THE TORAH! They are NWO movers and shakers who promote control and hate towards Muslims and anyone who gets in their way.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a consortium of 9 Jewish-owned & associated banks with the Rothschilds at the head:
$1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
$2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
$3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
$4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
$5. Lehman Brothers of NY
$6. Kuhn, Loeb Bank of NY (Now Shearson American Express)
$7. Goldman, Sachs of NY
$8. National Bank of Commerce NY/Morgan Guaranty Trust (J. P. Morgan Bank - Equitable Life - Levi P. Morton are principal shareholders)
$9. Hanover Trust of NY (William and David Rockefeller & Chase National Bank NY are principal shareholders).

You may choose to call this racism and bigotry. I consider that just the result of your lack of education.
Take the wake up call or leave it as you choose.

oh and by the way here is a link to the thread that is of such concern to GCS1103
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47447-Anti-Zionism-Alive-and-Well-Amongst-Jews-Around-the-World&p=523090&viewfull=1#post523090

I see. It's my "lack of education" that makes me disgusted by anti Jewish remarks. I notice a theme here- a great arrogance on the part of some members to call others that disagree with them, "unenlightened", "uneducated", "not evolved".

Arrowwind- there isn't anything that you can teach me that I haven't already heard or learned. If you think a post that describes how much someone hates Jews is just a political statement, maybe you should take a moment and think again.

Actually I hadn't tuned into post number 5 till just a few minutes ago. I thought you were addressing the totality of the thread.

[K626]

Nearly 50m Americans are on foodstamps.

Peace

K

[Arrowwind]

How far the mind can fling when confronted with ingrainded sterotypes and prejudice.

this is the most racist page of bull**** Ive seen on avelon.

I've seen some other bigoted bull**** that certainly equals this. Take a look at the thread "Anti-Zionism Is Alive and Well..." and look at Post 5. Tell me if that isn't bigotry. To me, it's repulsive, but I haven't seen too many complaints here about someone calling Jews, reptilian-brained, etc. Don't confuse us Jews with Zionists- we are two completely separate people. It's amazing how "selective" we are in what we label bigotry and prejudice....What do we have now- a political correctness on bigotry- some bigotry is OK, but some is not?

Are you actually trying to defend some of the offensive claptrap that is on this thread here and now we are posting on and not some other thread? Do you think the offensive comments made on this thread are acceptable? Are you trying to say that since no one complained about the racism on another thread that this is o.k.? This seems to be what you are implying. If you saw something offensive on another thread why didn't you complain about it? Its almost as if you are defending the "theme" of this thread or are trying to rationalize what has been done and said here as if its alright when it absolutely is not IMO.

I am going to try to answer your post politely and civilly. You really have no clue what you are talking about when you ask me if I endorse the offensive comments made on this thread. Please don't get indignent with me; while you're sitting at your computer behind your anonymous avatar without the slightest idea of who I am or what I think. When I thanked certain posts, I did that because it's the behavior that I object to. The color of the kid's skin is irrelevant to me; I am color blind when it comes to race. I was brought up in a city where people are all colors and shapes. So never play the race card with me or give me a holier-than-thou attitude.

As to the other thread- yes I was highly offended. I posted a response to what I believed was an outrageously bigoted post about Jews- not Zionists, Jews. Unlike some here, I don't run to the mods to complain. I posted my response and that's it. I think the mods have more important issues to deal with and since I'm an adult I can handle this on my own. My complaining days to Paul are long over. I stand by my statement - some bigotry seems to be acceptable; now that's offensive and the height of hypocrisy.

I did not read post number 5 until a few minutes ago. So there is no way I asked you to endorse post number 5. It was the totality of the thread I was defending, as I thought you were attempting to discredit it as racist... not post number 5. Clearly that guy has some issues.

[Mark]

The difference here is that it appears that our black population
in america are committing so many crimes that it's really shedding
a lot of bad light on them and they are only doing it to themselves.

You need to do more research humanalien as your propensity for making stereotypical statements is reaching astronomical heights.

They are not doing it to themselves.

Let's plop you and your family down in an inner city where the jobs left 50 years ago. Let's place you in a situation where generation after generation there have been few economic or educational opportunities. Let's put you in black-face so that the cops can stereotype you and frisk you for loitering and looking suspicious, and oh, let's put you in a place where there are MORE cops per person who are purportedly there to protect the community but who, more often than not, protect the property and interests of the elite. Let's say you couldn't get a job at one of the few places to work in the city, Mickey D's or another fast food place, and you can only make money by selling drugs or stealing.

This is all documented. This is all historical fact. But for some reason, some people never want to look at the reason why things are the way they are. Forget the past, they say. Concentrate on the present and the future. Look at these people, they are so bad. They are doing it to themselves. All people want to do is look at the situation and say hey, look at these criminals who have no respect for the law. These criminals who have no respect for the law live in a system where the law has been applied against them more than for them for practically all of their lives whether they have been guilty or not. W here they have seen the law gunning down their friends, where they have seen the law taking bribes from drug dealers, gang and mafia interests, no, not on TV, but right outside the house. Where they go to sleep to the sound of gunshots many nights, because drugs and guns are in plentiful supply in the inner city, although, if push came to shove, it would only take a few days lockdown for the ammo to be gone and the guns to be as useless as straws as far as self-defense goes.

There goes the much-vaunted exurban and suburban excuse for stocking up on guns and ammo in preparation for some doomsday event when the blacks in the cities are going to come rushing out into their lands. Remember what happened in Katrina when the inner-city folks tried to hike out of the city and got stopped at the bridges by the suburbanites who lived there? A few folks got shot and killed?

Acting as if people whose ancestry and entire presence in America has been strictly monitored, controlled and managed since the first day an African ever got here are now all of a sudden fully responsible for their situation without any culpability on the part of the system and institutions that brought them here in the first place is the height of historical ignorance and represents the depths of scape-goating and surface-level engagement with past and current political and social trends.

Please educate yourself before you make such statements in public.

[TargeT]

What is Chico State?

You call that a riot? That was nothing but a bunch of stupid
kids, jumping over a small fire.


one of the big "party schools" in northern California, I spent some time there at a friends place... CRAZY fun town ;)



Hello, TargetT. I'm not 'ragging' on you but I'm curious as to what 'useful message' would be spread through a flash mob?

Okay, maybe I was 'ragging' -- but just a little. ;-)

This is a terrible example, but it is an example none-the-less:
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The three mobs I participated in were similar.

One was a Zombie walk, we did this for my Survivalist education group ( www.zombiehunters.org ), we teach people how to survive earth quakes, floods, etc..

the other two were local politic issues, one at city hall ( about 180 of us all "died" on the steps of city hall for a solid 3 min, then left; we did technically break a law by impeding foot traffic, but no one complained and no one got a ticket, that’s the brilliance of the flash mob, it exposes a weakness of the STATUS QUO power structure.. they CANNOT REACT quickly at all... and we were two buildings down from the police head quarters!) - this one didn't draw much attention, we should have played dead for 15 min.. bad planning.


I havent read this thread in its intirety, but heres a theory (if no one else thought of it, and i missed it).. What if. this was a deliberate set-up.....false-flag if you will, so there is an excuse to start putting military in charge of retail security outlets, "for our safety of course". ??? Just a thought.

More likely this is an opportunistic exploitation of an event. (this is a very common tactic) you do NOT NEED false flags when the citizens will do it for you, all you have to do is paint it as a "riot" or "looting" etc...

the 1,500 dollar security system I GUARENTEE is the stupid thing at the door (RFID reader) that’s TOO CLOSE (IMO) for large crowds & probably was accidently damaged.







I personally think this thread is fascinating, the speed at which racism is shouted, the instant division...

what do you think the news articles on this event are intended to do... Look at the last 6 pages, they have succeeded.

[Cartomancer]

Flash mobs are known across the United States
as a group of people dancing, having fun and
enjoying themselves while entertaining others.

However, the Walmart off Lem Turner Road in
Jacksonville fell victim to a flash robbery
when more than 300 people entered the store
and destroyed the security system as well as
some merchandise.

According to a police report, the group destroyed
an electronic anti-shop lifting security scanner
that costs about $1,500. The police report also
stated the massive crowd could have arrived at the
store after a party that was broken up on Sampson Road.

YouTube video showed the teens throwing food and merchandise
around the store.

Channel 4 crime analyst Ken Jefferson said any sort of crime
where there's hundreds of people involved is a dangerous situation.

"You've got a large number of people going and coming at the same
time they are throwing produce," Jefferson said. "They are stealing
items, they are all over the store. You can imagine how fearful the
customers were who were in there at that particular time."

Police did not make any arrests after the mob of people took over the
store. If caught, these teens could face criminal charges.

Flash Mob 'Flash Robbery' Takes Over Walmart In Jacksonville Caught On Video!

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So now, you got information, straight from the local news source that
says these black kids did in fact rob the store and caused destruction
to the place. All because they were all booted out of a nearby party
by the cops. Walmart didn't deserve what they got.....

If it will make you feel better here's a video of a bunch of white middle class college students rioting because their party got broken up by the police. After this happened I didn't see anyone complaining what color their skin was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naCKTOn2QY0

What is Chico State?

You call that a riot? That was nothing but a bunch of stupid
kids, jumping over a small fire.

I've seen video of white people rioting in the streets to. I'm
not saying that it doesn't happen because it does. Canada
has a really good video of white rioters, just because their
favorite, or should i say their home hockey team lost to
another team. They did far more damage to the city than
those black kids did to walmart.

The difference here is that it appears that our black population
in america are committing so many crimes that it's really shedding
a lot of bad light on them and they are only doing it to themselves.

What you saw is only a small part of the riot in Chico. There were cops in riot gear and they had to bring the fire department to hose down the crowd. They pulled all the couches off of the porches of nearby houses (common in a college town here) and burnt them in the middle of the street. There were over three thousand students involved.

I absolutely disagree with your statement-

'The difference here is that it appears that our black population
in america are committing so many crimes that it's really shedding
a lot of bad light on them and they are only doing it to themselves.'

That is a really uniformed statement. You make a point that white people rioted over a hockey game then you go on to say that the only reason they did this at walmart is because they are black? The same dynamic driving your comments is the same reason you see very few African hockey players. Go figure that out. Is it because there are no good black athletes? Because of the simple color of their skin and no other factor? Gee whiz I wonder what kind of dynamics are at work keeping all the fabulous athletes from playing hockey?

[Strat]

It seems a re-occurring theme across the world that people repeat their culture, and it breaks my heart (not saying this flippantly at all) to see a 17 year old kid get a 25 year sentence in prison for something ridiculous. That's almost as bad as killing someone. And, call me crazy, but prison is not an effective institution.

"Instead of a war on poverty, they have a war on drugs so the police can bother me" - greatest rapper of all time, 2pac

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What's the answer Rahkyt? I've thought about this a lot and the only thing I can think of is some kind of serious outreach program. Can it be fixed at all?

EDIT: Oh and some random Jacksonville facts for you guys: As you could imagine racism was horrible in the 50's-70's especially. Blacks (and I say blacks, not African Americans for a reason) had no rights. It was always in there best interest not to call the cops and handle disputes themselves. I could go into this but I won't, makes me sick to my stomach.

It's better but it's interesting now. Jacksonville is one of the largest cities in the US. We have a huge redneck population mixing with the huge black population. You'd think this would be a terrible mix, but it works out fine.

Segregation is very much alive in Jax. Maybe that's taboo, but it's the truth.

[Mark]

What's the answer Rahkyt? I've thought about this a lot and the only thing I can think of is some kind of serious outreach program. Can it be fixed at all?

Damn, thanks, Strat. I needed some Pac right now. And that particular song, indicative of his native genius. RIP to another assassinated soldier for freedom.

I guess I have to say I dislike entering threads like this but in this case, I had to. I told myself I would never enter these kinds of threads here on PA, but it seems nobody else could do it, or would. I'm trained academically in areas of race relations and I have over a decade of experience debating the topic as well as teaching different aspects of human biological diversity. Even so, debating and arguing these topics is more suited to my sister's (http://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=14&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=maya+rockeymoore) realm of interest and professional expertise. I'm on a more esoteric path, obviously. But, this is an important topic and I can't stand by and let it go. I have honored Ancestors watching everything I say and do and their disapproval is a palpable force. Of all the things we talk about here in PA, the continuing effort to divide and conquer thru ethnic-based separation tactics is the one that is still too sensitive to really get into, despite the fact that this forum seems to be made up of at least 98% majority population.

Absolute and total system collapse. Total mental and emotional trauma for Americans directly and for the world in general. Getting over this pyramidal system of greed and hate cannot be done piecemeal, nor can it be done within the system.

I think that people's attitudes have to be changed. Rebuilt from the ground up. But that can't be done by outside forces, we each have to do it for ourselves. For everyone to come out of their preconceived notions, stereotypes and prejudices, we're all going to have to experience one another as a human family. As individuals, as people with likes and dislikes, understanding that we're all in the same boat and that the only separation between us are the ones that we create.

Only total system failure will result in the change needed. Everybody has to be broken down. Poor. Eaking out a living. Has to be at the same level as others they used to look down upon. Even though the American middle class is dwindling in all ethnic groups in some it is damn near gone. African Americans in particular have lost absolutely all gains made since the 1960s no matter the fact that there is a black president. Stats say that, for the first time since the 1960s, black children are forecasted to fare worse off than their parents. That's never been true before of any ethnic group. The white middle class is barely hanging on by a thread and yet enough white folks are still invested in the system enough to hold on to the pipe dream that they can be one of those elites, looking down on the rest of us, getting ready to take off in their spaceships or go into their underground bunkers or south america or wherever in whatever.

When I can help Humanalien out of a hole, grasping his hand and pulling him up and then look in his eyes, I can make a difference in his perception of a population he - apparently - has no experience of.

Only total system collapse can create the psychological trauma needed on a scale large enough to effect societal change. And then, what replaces what we have now, inhuman, predatory capitalism, cannot be the same.


It's better but it's interesting now. Jacksonville is one of the largest cities in the US. We have a huge redneck population mixing with the huge black population. You'd think this would be a terrible mix, but it works out fine.

Segregation is very much alive in Jax. Maybe that's taboo, but it's the truth.

You know, I lived in Charlotte, NC, for a couple of years back in the early 00s. I was so surprised to find the same exact thing. I was totally amazed by the number of interracial relationships I saw in such a deep south metropolis. When people get together finally and see that they have more in common than they have apart, all of the seperation tactics go out the window. Also, it is generally lower-class whites who are now finally realizing that the power elite have written them off, as they are also unemployed at high levels and see that the privileges of being born with white skin are no longer all they cracked up to be.

[Arrowwind]

"I absolutely disagree with your statement-

'The difference here is that it appears that our black population
in america are committing so many crimes that it's really shedding
a lot of bad light on them and they are only doing it to themselves."

I do agree. We only do things we choose to do and we do it to ourselves.

This confusion, this victimhood, is the paradox the Elite would have you be trapped in.

I understand that people are poor, uneducated, hungry,
and suffer terrible economic and social disparity.

But the bottom line is that we all choose all our actions,
consciously or unconsciously.

Of course other people do things to us also.. and we suffer for that.
But our response is always our choice if we choose to recognize that or not.

This is what Martin Luther King was all about... after all....

Some people are so oppressed that they dont even believe or understand
that they always have choice in how to respond to any situation.

They can choose crowd madness, fear, violence, hate, jealousy,
victimhood, weakness, being a sheep,
or they can choose otherwise.

Many choose to remain brainwashed
even after they have been shown a way out.
They choose to be victims and they choose their anger and resentment.

At any god given moment any individual can choose otherwise
no matter how poor they are, no matter how hungry they are,
no matter how controlled they are, no matter how violent they may have been.

Your central core freedom is not something that anyone can take away
even if they restrain your body, abuse you or any other terrible thing.
But you can give it away. You can allow someone to crush you.

This is spiritual fortitude I'm talking about,
and we can shine it upon each other so that we may learn.

Yes, we have oppressed.

It is our job to let people know that we have choice.
All they have to do is choose choice.

Many black people have chosen to turn against their repressors
and to free themselves through their spiritual enlightenment.

Many white people too.
many Catholics,
many Jews,
many from all kinds of repressive regimes and cultures and cults.

and they have done it without violence and without hate.
They chose their freedom in their hearts
and express it in their actions.

I did not say that these things were easy
but they are possible

Can things be fixed? Repaired?
Only one person at a time.
Only through the awakening soul,
soul to soul, modeling the potential
that resides in all of us.

[LarryC]

This may be going off slightly on a tangent, but one of the problems in the U.S. is that people -especially a large segment of the white middle class- have become very insulated and fragmented. The very landscape of the country has been deliberately set up to encourage division and isolation. What else is suburbanization, gated communities and a "culture" based on the automobile?

The first conspiracy type ideology I was exposed to was from the radical right -this was back when they were about the only ones who talked about globalism, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR, etc. Many of those types were, and still are, very well informed about such matters compared to the general population. Unfortunately, many of them also tend to be very narrow minded when it comes to issues such as race and religion. The fact is, however, that many conservative white Americans have had very little interaction with people culturally different from themselves.

Since I grew up in New York City, it was fairly easy for me to get past the racist ideologies of the far right, even while learning from some of its good points on matters such as economics. For example, a lot of the political literature I encountered at a young age was very anti-Jewish and spoke of Jews as though they were all conniving, wealthy conspirators. Yet having grown up in at least one mostly Jewish neighborhood, it was obvious that like everyone else, Jews come in all varieties and aren't all part of one undifferentiated group. In many parts of the country, meanwhile, there are hardly any Jewish people so it's easier for people who read such material to believe it.

Not that you don't have racism in big cities -but at the same time, when you take buses and subways with people of every possible ethnicity and hear dozens of languages spoken in a single day, it's hard to be too provincial if you have any education at all. On the other hand, if you only interact with people of your own race, religion and political persuasion, it's easy to see people who are different as others in an extreme and often frightening way.

Theoretically, the internet can be a bridge between cultures, but only if people are willing to be open minded and not generalize about groups. Who knows, we may soon have to apply these same principles to beings from other worlds :)

[TargeT]

Absolute and total system collapse. Total mental and emotional trauma for Americans directly and for the world in general. Getting over this pyramidal system of greed and hate cannot be done piecemeal, nor can it be done within the system.

I think that people's attitudes have to be changed. Rebuilt from the ground up. But that can't be done by outside forces, we each have to do it for ourselves. For everyone to come out of their preconceived notions, stereotypes and prejudices, we're all going to have to experience one another as a human family. As individuals, as people with likes and dislikes, understanding that we're all in the same boat and that the only separation between us are the ones that we create.

Only total system failure will result in the change needed. Everybody has to be broken down. Poor. Eaking out a living. Has to be at the same level as others they used to look down upon.

I hope your wrong, but I somewhat agree with you.




But the bottom line is that we all choose all our actions,
consciously or unconsciously.



This is true, and its not true.

MKultra and other mind control programs that rely on trauma & conditioning have PROVEN to us the STRENGTH of "Nurture over Nature"; and a society that poisens itself with false spirituality that doesn't really address these issues or help someone become "concious" in their decisions through life is a huge part of the problem...

I don't know how a person in poor inner city life would escape that way of thinking (espeicaly as I face my own programming daily from my "cushy" white american middle class life).

I don't understand racism really, but I do understand that much, & think its a big part of hte problem, we hold OURSELFS down a lot of the time by accepting the roles placed on us.

[Arrowwind]

[


But the bottom line is that we all choose all our actions,
consciously or unconsciously.



This is true, and its not true.

MKultra and other mind control programs that rely on trauma & conditioning have PROVEN to us the STRENGTH of "Nurture over Nature"; and a society that poisens itself with false spirituality that doesn't really address these issues or help someone become "concious" in their decisions through life is a huge part of the problem...

I don't know how a person in poor inner city life would escape that way of thinking (espeicaly as I face my own programming daily from my "cushy" white american middle class life).

I don't understand racism really, but I do understand that much, & think its a big part of hte problem, we hold OURSELFS down a lot of the time by accepting the roles placed on us.

And people do escape the brainwashing. Everyday people escape. There are many many many successful people who have escaped.
Why? Because they chose it. When opportunity knocked on their door, they chose it.

[HORIZONS]

In a state of spiritual consciousness these kind of problems are not problems anymore - as we cannot deal with the problem of this world on the same level of consciousness that has created them.
For those that are interested in this state of spiritual consciousness I speak of, you can see this revelation in the spiritual interpretation of Scripture - and I quote just one of these:

In that new creation there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free man, but Christ is everything and is in all of us. -Col. 3:11
Now Christ is not a man that lived two thousand years ago, but is a divine nature, a high state of spiritual consciousness, and is available to everyone - if they would only ask, seek and knock.

[Chester]

I've seen video of white people rioting in the streets to. I'm
not saying that it doesn't happen because it does. Canada
has a really good video of white rioters, just because their
favorite, or should i say their home hockey team lost to
another team. They did far more damage to the city than
those black kids did to walmart.


Totally Correct - Specifically Vancouver - happened more than once ...

1994 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Il3UlV2ars

and - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmwpTVnqpxU

and just to show how much the folks in this city have grown up...

2011 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/jun/16/ice-hockey-riot-vancouver-video

still - there have been extremely insensitive posts in this thread. And I would rarely cast a label ... but the word "ignorance" comes to mind.

I joined Avalon because I thought this forum was devoid of that sort of tripe.

We can do better. justoneopinion

[buckminster fuller]

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Edit : didn't see you posted one already Strat... Greatest rapper of all times indeed.

[Belle]

Maybe if a black man talks about it then it's ok, but I am braced for hearing how he is some "uncle Tom" because he doesn't agree with the majority of the black leaders.

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Has anyone actually viewed this video? Or gone to his website http://www.atlah.org?

Don't worry, US, I will not accuse him of being "some 'Uncle Tom'"...uninformed, misinformed, well, that's something else.

A birther for sure...trying to uphold a constitution that Bush called "just a goddam piece of paper and politicians have treated as such for years. The Constitution exists in the minds of Americans, but was basically thrown out when the U. S. became a corporation.

Concerned about an "Islamic leader leading a Christian nation". Christian nation? I thought creed, along with race, was not supposed to matter and all were welcome in America, supposedly free to worship, or not, as we so choose.

All the conjecture between those two statements...was just that...conjecture.

And here we are at PA perpetuating this crap...this divisiveness...this racism by even discussing it. Damn.

[HORIZONS]

Maybe if a black man talks about it then it's ok, but I am braced for hearing how he is some "uncle Tom" because he doesn't agree with the majority of the black leaders.

safZ8bsS_OI

Has anyone actually viewed this video? Or gone to his website http://www.atlah.org?

Don't worry, US, I will not accuse him of being "some 'Uncle Tom'"...uninformed, misinformed, well, that's something else.

A birther for sure...trying to uphold a constitution that Bush called "just a goddam piece of paper and politicians have treated as such for years. The Constitution exists in the minds of Americans, but was basically thrown out when the U. S. became a corporation.

Concerned about an "Islamic leader leading a Christian nation". Christian nation? I thought creed, along with race, was not supposed to matter and all were welcome in America, supposedly free to worship, or not, as we so choose.

All the conjecture between those two statements...was just that...conjecture.

And here we are at PA perpetuating this crap...this divisiveness...this racism by even discussing it. Damn.

Yea, a so-called Christian nation that does not follow any of the teachings of Christ! What does that tell you?

[Turcurulin]

This video is... AWESOME! These kids are TREND-STARTERS!

What is wrong with this picture, really? The only acceptable answers to this question are ones in which all ego and all identity has been removed from the scenario.

From what I gather from this quite energetically-corrupt thread, the main theme is government-sponsored lawlessness. Hmmmm.... lawlessness, Walmart, lawlessness, Walmart... For some reason (sarcasm intended,) I cannot mentally separate the two. :decision: The frontiers of Walmart are an economic Wild-West!

I really hope that this is not news to anyone (if so, then prepare to have your respective paradigms burnt to the ground) - Corporations (i.e. Walmart, etc.) OWN our government. To say that Obama (or any political figurehead [the last president to make any REAL decision on his own was JFK, and we can all see where THAT got him]) sponsored this event, is to say that Walmart (etc.) told Obama/insert-political-figurehead-here to sponsor this event.

DOWN WITH WALMART! And down with all other globalist/cabalist corporate monopolies. We should take in what these kids accomplished and EXPAND upon it. Robbery?.. Isn't that what Walmart (etc.) is doing to ALL of us?! These mega-corporations are crippling the US economy. But, the only appropriate behavior in these stores is to quietly consume (like good little cattle) while our economy, country, and lives are being trashed? I say, let's create mobs like this in every Walmart (etc.) across the face of the Earth and tear them to the ground! And build back our hometowns, natural plant and animal life, and small businesses in their place. :sad:

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(For the record, I have Shawnee blood. So, the different standpoints of racial division have become comical over time - We are all people! In those kids shoes, would any of you have acted differently? If they were in yours, would you expect them to act differently than any of you on this thread? We are all here, right now, doing what we are supposed to be doing. Think deeply on this, please.)

Thanks to everyone on this thread for your views and participation. And know this - I LOVE YOU. :hug: (Yes, even you Walmart (etc.) - at least for being the perfect example that shows the rest of us what NOT to do.)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You know, I lived in Charlotte, NC, for a couple of years back in the early 00s. I was so surprised to find the same exact thing. I was totally amazed by the number of interracial relationships I saw in such a deep south metropolis. When people get together finally and see that they have more in common than they have apart, all of the seperation tactics go out the window. Also, it is generally lower-class whites who are now finally realizing that the power elite have written them off, as they are also unemployed at high levels and see that the privileges of being born with white skin are no longer all they cracked up to be.

You are so much more eloquant then i am Rakhyt, i had nothing but raging anger boiling up on this thread but tried to stay civilized and you have said in in some other words exactly what i meant and i took the instigator of this and my responses completely the wrong way, however we do have to deal with some stupid sh!t being in a mixed relationship, sh!t i could not even make up myself and i have quite an imagination.

The quote.............. the US is a far bigger country then our tiny Holland and we have our own very DARK past regarding this subject ( trade and what came along whith it).

And i grew up in Amsterdam, being in a mixed neighbourhood and school and appartmentcomplex made integration and mutual acceptence very easy for me regardless of race, color, sexual orientations and what more have we. The neighborhood was not a wealthy one ( as if most them are anywhere eh) but we did quite well.

Nowadays i live in a much smaller city in Holland and people there a not as used to mixed couples and it can be hard for us, we just are who and what we are and cant really help this and we wont, we are happy.

Point....................... larger communities with a mixed immigrant communtity are just as like to bond together and mix as they are not, the simple fact you live on eachothers lip and have to deal with eachother regardless of class, race, income, education makes this THE place to see how people can also find eachother and come together and love eachother.

I think we are not supposed to find eachother if it was upto the ptw, they have no interest in people finding eachother on equal grounds, they create these divisions on purpose as we are all very much aware of here on Avalon. There is a saying here in Holland.... Waar twee honden vechten om een been gaat de derde er mee heen!!.

translation, where two dogs a fighting over a bone, the third dog runs with it.

Outreach is great, inreach would be better.

Regards Ed

Ps. Strat, thanks again for your words in this thread.

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[Lost Soul]

BTW, the King Riots in San Francisco '92 was an equal (looting) opportunity, affirmative (help yourself) action affair by all races, gender and sexual orientation event. It was a color blind, if tragically unified occurrence. Yay! San Francisco leads the way!?

[observer]

The OP of this thread has all the 'color', and 'manipulated understanding' of a Rush Limbaugh Rant. This is the design purpose of individuals making comments such as those of Rush Limbaugh - to keep us in a state of confusion.

For those of you unfamiliar with who Rush Limbaugh is, I include a video of his diatribe as an example. Any member can choose not to listen to this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPiaKFOGzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPiaKFOGzM

I post this as foundational to understanding how any informed member (here on the forum) can consider the opinions expressed by the OP as anything more than a "bag of hot air" - which is EXACYLY what the Rush Limbaugh point of view represents.

Attempting to blame Obama for the ills of our current situation is counter-productive to understanding.

Obama is nothing more than another 'dangling puppet' in a long-string of 'dangling puppets' - both Republican, and Democrat - who have all contributed to the current situation we find ourselves within.

The Obama-Blame-Game is simply more of the 'hot air' being blown over an oblivious population.

Whenever I hear Limbaugh's boisterous ranting on the radio, I turn it off - as I will do after making this comment in this thread.

With regard to the radio, I have little opportunity to voice my objection to this type of polarizing rhetoric.

With regard to my membership, here, I at least can voice my concern....

[humanalien]

Rahkyt:

I don't know how else i can explain to you what i am
talking about without causing a racial war on this forum.

All i can say is the black people have so many more
opportunities now in life than they ever had before in
history and they still aren't happy.

We have black people working anywhere from ditch digger,
all the way up to the president of these united states. Companies
by law are now required to have X amount of black workers,
working in their factories and other businesses or risk having the
business shut down. I was told this from my former company CEO
at one of our last employee meetings.

Speaking of CEO's, we even have black CEO's / presidents to. What
else can america do to please the black people? I think america has done
just about everything they can do to help the black community but for all their
efforts, they get a big slap in the face or a cap in the ass.

Right now, they aren't the only race out there looking for work. Unemployment
has effected every race in america, so please stop using that excuse.

Anyway. I've said all that i can without fanning the flames any higher. This
is my last post on this, just to keep the peace around here. If my posts offended
you, please accept my apologies.

[Turcurulin]

I think america has done
just about everything they can do to help the black community.

This statement is so ridiculously ignorant and offensive that I am truly speechless. Please, PLEASE, wake up.

I find this statement ignorant because it seems based on programming and lack of experience. Have you personally seen or participated in what goes on in a black community? Is this statement based on your experience with helping a black community?

If one listens to the MSM and/or other people of biased standpoints with no personal research, then I can see why this statement would be made with such confidence. One can look from the outside-in on any situation, but understanding comes when one is IN the situation. Frankly, nothing that the US does is for the betterment of the black community unless it furthers another agenda.

As for being offensive, I guess it really isn't to me directly because, besides the Shawnee blood that I mentioned earlier (16%,) I am WHITE. The offense that I take is in empathy to our black sisters and brothers that this statement singles-out with such injustice and lack of understanding.


This is my last post on this

I truly think this is best, brother. I will follow suit and do you one better - I won't even be reading this thread anymore...

You obviously really do not know what your saying based on personal experience, but, rather, what you've 'heard'. Hopefully, you will not find out the hard-way how wrong you are here (i.e. in another life.) Happy awakening, brother.

[TargeT]

I think america has done
just about everything they can do to help the black community.

This statement is so ridiculously ignorant and offensive that I am truly speechless. Please, PLEASE, wake up.

OK, then what should be done? what has been done already has only furthered the problem, I'd love to hear something constructive from you rather than this AD HOMENOM type of response (where is hte ignorance ? why is it offensive??)




This is my last post on this

I truly think this is best, brother. I will follow suit and do you one better - I won't even be reading this thread anymore...

Avalon, please be gentle and/or totally ignore the above post. He obviously really does not know what he's saying. Hopefully, you will not find out the hard-way how wrong you are here (i.e. in another life.) Happy awakening, brother - there's still a long way to go for you, yet.

I think this type of responce is a PART OF THE PROBLEM, you are furthering the division with posts like this.

[Turcurulin]

I think america has done
just about everything they can do to help the black community.

This statement is so ridiculously ignorant and offensive that I am truly speechless. Please, PLEASE, wake up.

OK, then what should be done? what has been done already has only furthered the problem, I'd love to hear something constructive from you rather than this AD HOMENOM type of response (where is hte ignorance ? why is it offensive??)




This is my last post on this

I truly think this is best, brother. I will follow suit and do you one better - I won't even be reading this thread anymore...

Avalon, please be gentle and/or totally ignore the above post. He obviously really does not know what he's saying. Hopefully, you will not find out the hard-way how wrong you are here (i.e. in another life.) Happy awakening, brother - there's still a long way to go for you, yet.

I think this type of responce is a PART OF THE PROBLEM, you are furthering the division with posts like this.

Hi TargetT,

I've come back to the thread to revise my above post, based on your request - please see above. I hope you have found this more constructive. Also, I would like to ask a few of you -

How did you find my response argumentum ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)? There is no truth to humanalien's statement, that I referenced above, in which to negate. (I have also edited my assumption on humanalien's length-of-time before awakening - apologies, brothers. :sorry:)

Also, how does addressing a divisive statement create further division?

I really did not want to begin commenting on the racial-division-aspect of this thread (I really should not responded at all because it lessens the integrity of my original post to this thread.) - It is my belief that giving ANY attention to the ridiculous subject of a separation-in-humanity from one another only progresses the situation. (Are we not all brothers and sisters of our great mother - all with brains that think and hearts that beat?) So, unless quoted further here, I will again bid you all adieu.

[humanalien]

Turcurulin:

Shawnee? I love the indian people. My mother was part cherokee but
i don't know by what percent. She died before i could find out...

[bluestflame]

could this be an exercise in the practical application of directed energy weapons to incite riots and modify behaviour?

[buckminster fuller]

Rahkyt:

I don't know how else i can explain to you what i am
talking about without causing a racial war on this forum.

All i can say is the black people have so many more
opportunities now in life than they ever had before in
history and they still aren't happy.

We have black people working anywhere from ditch digger,
all the way up to the president of these united states. Companies
by law are now required to have X amount of black workers,
working in their factories and other businesses or risk having the
business shut down. I was told this from my former company CEO
at one of our last employee meetings.

Speaking of CEO's, we even have black CEO's / presidents to. What
else can america do to please the black people? I think america has done
just about everything they can do to help the black community but for all their
efforts, they get a big slap in the face or a cap in the ass.

Right now, they aren't the only race out there looking for work. Unemployment
has effected every race in america, so please stop using that excuse.

Anyway. I've said all that i can without fanning the flames any higher. This
is my last post on this, just to keep the peace around here. If my posts offended
you, please accept my apologies.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/20/batman-massacre-james-holmes-photo/


All I can say is the white people have always had a lot more "opportunities" in life than the populations they historically eradicated, and they still are as fd-upd as before. They don't see, they don't analyse and they don't change.
Those "flash mobs" that are used to catalyse an opinion are nowhere near the level of criminality of big fat white corporations. Looking at problems at the scale of individuals is anyway a trap for the mind. Please try to ponder that, it comes from a fellow white ASHAMED OF HIS HISTORY and of those that try to defend it.

Of course blacks were used in the trade. USED. Participating in the genocide of your own people cannot be seen as a jump in carrier can it ..?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Our previous prime minister once said what happened to our old VOC mentality( very stupid and ignorant by the way).

VOC stands for Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie....................East Indian Company.......... those guys who got herbs, spices, wood, precious metals and slaves from the east indies................ the extremely inpolite way. ( stealing, raping, murderering, offering of worthless trinkets, provide them with weapons to kill eachother, pass along the flu and other diseases on purpose to clear out native populations, they also did this in africa by the way)

Boy o boy did he got chastised by several parties here.. and they were right to do so............ however he did not understand what the problem was, all he saw were the profits generated by ( free) enterprise, the profits of building societies on free labour are huge of course, this is what build our western society in the first place.

Pretty sick.