Mass Shooting in Aurora, Colorado, 7/20/2012

[Cartomancer]

Here's the breaking news from Aurora Colorado near Denver. At least 12 shot at showing of Dark Knight Batman movie.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12850048-12-shot-dead-at-dark-knight-rises-screening-in-aurora-colorado?lite

See post below as Alex Jones predicted this movie would cause violence.

[markpierre]

Assault weapon? In a kids hands? Well that seals the deal.
Everyone want to have to worry about machine gun fire when they go to the local theater?
Or Walmart?

Lets turn in those guns then eh? I like my nights out to be peaceful.

[truth4me]

Just checked that shooting story out on yahoo. Let's see we got an"american" suicide bomber in Israel yesterday. Now we got the Dark Knight shooting. Both could be random acts of violence but then again both could be MKUltra mind controled killings. At this stage of the game I leave nothing off the board.

[Cartomancer]

This shooting and the Columbine shootings both on the Mason Dixon Line.

[Kano]

Assault weapon? In a kids hands? Well that seals the deal.
Everyone want to have to worry about machine gun fire when they go to the local theater?
Or Walmart?

Lets turn in those guns then eh? I like my nights out to be peaceful.

Yep, my first thought too when I saw this in the news. More justification for more gun control laws.

[EsmaEverheart]

Just checked that shooting story out on yahoo. Let's see we got an"american" suicide bomber in Israel yesterday. Now we got the Dark Knight shooting. Both could be random acts of violence but then again both could be MKUltra mind controled killings. At this stage of the game I leave nothing off the board.

This was my first thought too.

[D-Day]

Lets turn in those guns then eh? I like my nights out to be peaceful.

I think it's safe to say that the overwhelming majority of people on this planet would much rather live in a world that is peaceful and harmonious than one where violence, death, destruction, and oppression reigns supreme.

With that in mind, there is nothing that would please me more than to live in a society/culture where the human capacity for committing acts of gun-toting violence against one another was non-existent.

Sadly, however, that is not the reality in which we currently find ourselves - as is clearly evidenced by the horrific events that took place in Denver today.

Regardless, if I were a US a citizen with a lawful right to bear arms I wouldn't be giving up that right or turning my guns in just yet.

At least not without the government/military demonstrating a genuine willingness to do away with their own first.

History has shown us time and time again that an unarmed population is an easily controlled, manipulated and exploited population.

Which begs the question... how much do you trust your government to do the right thing??

As always... guns don't kill people, people kill people!

From my perspective, it would be most unwise to put the governments of the world into a position where they are the only one's with access to guns.

Just saying.

[Cartomancer]

Alex Jones practically predicted this movie causing violence in this video:

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[RMorgan]

This is really sad...I´m very sad about the victims and their families...They were just trying to have some fun...

I´m not for the prohibition of guns, but guns aren´t the solution to protect people from tyranny. Maybe it was a solution in the past but not anymore.

Governments know how to control people, with or without guns. The USA is a good example of it; people carry guns and are extremely controlled anyway.

In my opinion, the big problem with guns is that not all good guys carry guns, but all bad guys carry guns. This cinema atrocity is an example of it; How many people were carrying guns there? Probably just the shooter.

There´s another thing that bothers me...Why such events always happen in the USA? Every year something like this happens there. Sure, it happens in other countries as well, including my country, but it´s very rare.

I think it´s ok to freely sell and buy guns, but maybe a deeper psychological test should be required before a person can buy them.

Raf.

[Cartomancer]

I see what you are saying Raf but I think there is a chance that X amount of these shootings are staged just so the guns can be taken away. Watch the Alex Jones video I posted above. It is very weird that he predicts this movie would cause violence. I think they are already spinning it like the the guy who did it was a Tea Party member. I feel terrible for the people too and my thoughts and prayers go out to all the people in Aurora.

This is all right on time for the UN small arms treaty coming up............................

Bulgaria bombing now this.

[Zencat]

My prayers and thoughts are with the families of the victims and the injured .... what a tragedy :(

[LarryC]

Movies like this may contain specific triggers that cause people who have been implanted or hypnotized to act out in a certain way. And, as Alex Jones points out, even the general public is being brainwashed into accepting the agenda being promoted. I watch plenty of movies, but avoid the blockbusters which contain the most programming.

[modwiz]

Alex Jones practically predicted this movie causing violence in this video:

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Perhaps he had advance notice. :rolleyes:
This ritual feels about right heading into the Olympics. Maybe the light on a mass killing at the Olympics has made for a cancellation and the Archons needed a few "snacks" to make up for the loss. The bombings and this shooting being a part of it. Go to Veterans Today for the only coverage I know about on an attempted assassination of Hillary Clinton in Israel. Her recent comments about not releasing convicted traitorous spy Jonathon Pollard did not go over well there.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/18/breakingunconfirmed-sec-clinton-assassination-attempt-in-israel/

[jagman]

The question I want answered is, Who is James Holmes? Pictures of his mothers house seem to indicate to me, He is from middle to upper middle class family.

[Cartomancer]

There is already a video on Infowars that says this guy is a Tea Party member. They say there is a registered Tea Party member with the name James Holmes but they have not confirmed he is the same guy yet.

[gripreaper]

My first thought was, Wow, the technology exists ( MK Ultra type mind control) where some random kid with no history of violence goes into a theater and opens fire.

Why on July 20th, just seven days before the opening of the Olympics and the UN vote on the small arms treaty? And why in the mile high city again in the center of this country?

This was staged and intended and purposeful. We'll find out in the next few weeks.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Assault weapon? In a kids hands? Well that seals the deal.
Everyone want to have to worry about machine gun fire when they go to the local theater?
Or Walmart?

Lets turn in those guns then eh? I like my nights out to be peaceful.

Yep, my first thought too when I saw this in the news. More justification for more gun control laws.


Are you guys serious? My first thought was "what if every person in the theatre had a concealed firearm?". Would there still have been twelve deaths? I think it would have been more like one (the crazed gunman). Also before we even consider giving up our second amendment we would have to demand that the police stop carrying firearms as well. Unlike th UK our police officers carry handguns on their person and shotguns and assault rifles in their vehicles. Besides, there in no way yet of knowing whether or not this particular shooter was under mk ultra style mind control or not. I find it rather fishy that we had the terrorist attack in Europe and then this incident shortly after. My gut tells me something is up and western governments and/or intelligence agencies could be behind it.

[Cartomancer]

Agreed. The Gifford's shooting especially looked like an open and shut case of manipulation. The shooter even stated that he was being mind controlled. This stuff is too bizarre to be real somehow. People go postal who have been harassed and ostracized. That is probably a lot easier to do than most people would believe.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Assault weapon? In a kids hands? Well that seals the deal.
Everyone want to have to worry about machine gun fire when they go to the local theater?
Or Walmart?

Lets turn in those guns then eh? I like my nights out to be peaceful.

Yep, my first thought too when I saw this in the news. More justification for more gun control laws.


Are you guys serious? My first thought was "what if every person in the theatre had a concealed firearm?". Would there still have been twelve deaths? I think it would have been more like one (the crazed gunman). Also before we even consider giving up our second amendment we would have to demand that the police stop carrying firearms as well. Unlike th UK our police officers carry handguns on their person and shotguns and assault rifles in their vehicles. Besides, there in no way yet of knowing whether or not this particular shooter was under mk ultra style mind control or not. I find it rather fishy that we had the terrorist attack in Europe and then this incident shortly after. My gut tells me something is up and western governments and/or intelligence agencies could be behind it.

Correction. it could have been more like two: the first victim the crazed gunman shot and the crazed gunman himself.

[RunningDeer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ryV1_lxF8&feature=player_embedded

I see what you are saying Raf but I think there is a chance that X amount of these shootings are staged just so the guns can be taken away. Watch the Alex Jones video I posted above. It is very weird that he predicts this movie would cause violence. I think they are already spinning it like the the guy who did it was a Tea Party member. I feel terrible for the people too and my thoughts and prayers go out to all the people in Aurora.

This is all right on time for the UN small arms treaty coming up............................

Bulgaria bombing now this.

Alex Jones brings a greater message than predicting violence. The number of people that watch the vid to date is 288,446. Which means more people are informed on: subtle manipulations, brainwashing, fluoride in our water supply that causes brain damage and cancer, how the PTW control over time, violations of rights, and the news articles posted show how Americans are spied.

And that's all in the first 4 minutes of the vid. At the very least it's a jump off place for research and dialogue among those ready to awaken.

[Kano]

So a few things stick out in this story that I find, well, interesting. Now, let me say that I am not claiming to be correct and I fully acknowledge the fact that I may be way out in left field with these connections.

After following William Henry's work on the occult rituals and symbolism for this XXX Olympiad, or 30th Olympics, he talks about the significance of the numbers 9/12 as a way to signify the day after 9/11, or more precisely, the next event that sets in motion changes that alter the perception we all have of this reality much like 9/11 did. So right off the bat when I read about this horrific tragedy, I noticed that 12 people were killed in theater #9 and the movie is called "The Dark Night Rises".

Then I asked, "What may be significant about having this happen on essentially the stroke of midnight on 7/20/12"? I found this date is an occult holiday as it is exactly 13 days before another occult holiday that the intitiated call "Lughnasadh" which happens between July 31st and August 1st. Lughnasadh is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights. What is even more interesting is the mythology of Lughnasadh festival.


The Lughnasadh festival is said to have been begun by the god Lugh (modern spelling: Lú) as a funeral feast and sporting competition in commemoration of his foster-mother, Tailtiu, who died of exhaustion after clearing the plains of Ireland for agriculture.

So what I am saying here is that this ritual sacrifice in the theater in Colorado may have started the countdown for the funeral feast (false falg attack, many lives lost?) at the sporting competition (Olympics) as stated by the Illuminati's occult holiday sacrifice ritual of Lughnasadh.

William Henry also states that he does not think any false flag will happen during the opening ceremonies but rather it would happen after the games are under way so it may be worth paying extra close attention to the Olympics on the July 31st and August 1st dates.

Perhaps I am grasping here and I'm just trying to make connections that aren't there but it seems as though there may be some substance.

What do you think?

[Fred Steeves]

Whether the guy is an MK Ultra victim sent to be a false flag, or is just deranged, situations like this are just the reason I have a cocealed carry license. The cops can seldom get there in time to end it, just start cleaning up the mess. I don't ever want to feel like Suzanna Hupp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp) must have felt in Luby's Cafeteria back in 1991. And, I doubt anyone in that place would have minded seeing a woman pump 6 rounds into that guy's chest, before he had the chance to pause and reload several times.

[Cartomancer]

Alex Jones commenting on the shooting:

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[Falcor]

i try to stay off the conspiracy bandwagon these days. though i thought this quote out of our local news would be interesting to some

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/278707/635/Suspect-IDd-12-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting


"We've been saying for a long time, this theater is not the safest theater in Aurora," one witness told 9NEWS Reporter Kevin Torres. "But when we go see movies here - I came to see Men in Black III [the other day] - there were two or three officers up front all the time. How are you supposed to know who's the bad guy and who's the good guy when something like this happens.

where were these 2 or 3 officers that are up front all the time?

[Spiral of Light]

Lets turn in those guns then eh? I like my nights out to be peaceful.

Regardless, if I were a US a citizen with a lawful right to bear arms I wouldn't be giving up that right or turning my guns in just yet.

At least not without the government/military demonstrating a genuine willingness to do away with their own first.

History has shown us time and time again that an unarmed population is an easily controlled, manipulated and exploited population.

Which begs the question... how much do you trust your government to do the right thing??

As always... guns don't kill people, people kill people!

From my perspective, it would be most unwise to put the governments of the world into a position where they are the only one's with access to guns.

Just saying.

I am in absolute agreement. I AM a U.S. citizen with the right to bear arms. I live alone in semi-rural New England, U.S.A. Three weeks ago, my home was entered during the night while I was sleeping and a large amount of cash was taken....cash that was earmarked to pay my real estate taxes.

This person was so skillful at cat-burglary that I never heard a sound and my dog never barked.

Less than a week later, I returned home at night and surprised the intruder who had evidently come back for more. Since I had fortified my house after the first break-in, he had to break a window and window frame to enter. He dove out the same window as he retreated. The house was a mess with draws upside down on the floor and closets stripped of all contents, but he took nothing of value this time.

There was a fist-sized rock on the chest near my bed. Was he planning to use it on my head this time?

Police here are somewhat unconcerned and not very helpful. Without going into detail, let me just say that I feel there is no protection there.

I stayed with a friend for a couple of weeks, beefed up the security in my home, and bought a gun.

My house is now ultra-fortified with windows and doors barricaded, alarms and automatic light sensors in place... and I now have a 20-gauge shotgun that I know how to use and am not afraid to defend myself with. Without that gun, I would be afraid to live in my own home.

[Earth Angel]

that was my first thinking.......why is all this crap going on in Colorado too?? ..........but yes this is a lets make people afraid to go anywhere and then tell them for their own protection we are banning guns for civilians........I never understood Tom Selleck standing up for NRA but now I get it..........what frustrates me so much is the average person does not get this is being done to control us...........I live in a quaint little village , population 3,000 and we have an amazing little cinema in an old stone building, complete with the old fashioned red velvet seats that push back......and on facebook this morning for the village is a picture of people going through airport like security to get into the movies and the poster asking is this what its going to be like to get into a theatre now?? ...........spread the fear !!! I just hate it........my heart goes out to the people who were killed and injured and their families but how many innocents are killed in wars each day?? and they talk about giving some soldier who sits safely in a room sending drone bombers out to kill , a medal of bravery!! for what, risking a paper cut ???


Just checked that shooting story out on yahoo. Let's see we got an"american" suicide bomber in Israel yesterday. Now we got the Dark Knight shooting. Both could be random acts of violence but then again both could be MKUltra mind controled killings. At this stage of the game I leave nothing off the board.

[shadowstalker]

i try to stay off the conspiracy bandwagon these days. though i thought this quote out of our local news would be interesting to some

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/278707/635/Suspect-IDd-12-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting


"We've been saying for a long time, this theater is not the safest theater in Aurora," one witness told 9NEWS Reporter Kevin Torres. "But when we go see movies here - I came to see Men in Black III [the other day] - there were two or three officers up front all the time. How are you supposed to know who's the bad guy and who's the good guy when something like this happens.

where were these 2 or 3 officers that are up front all the time?
the whole things smells of MKultra

[shadowstalker]

So a few things stick out in this story that I find, well, interesting. Now, let me say that I am not claiming to be correct and I fully acknowledge the fact that I may be way out in left field with these connections.

After following William Henry's work on the occult rituals and symbolism for this XXX Olympiad, or 30th Olympics, he talks about the significance of the numbers 9/12 as a way to signify the day after 9/11, or more precisely, the next event that sets in motion changes that alter the perception we all have of this reality much like 9/11 did. So right off the bat when I read about this horrific tragedy, I noticed that 12 people were killed in theater #9 and the movie is called "The Dark Night Rises".

Then I asked, "What may be significant about having this happen on essentially the stroke of midnight on 7/20/12"? I found this date is an occult holiday as it is exactly 13 days before another occult holiday that the intitiated call "Lughnasadh" which happens between July 31st and August 1st. Lughnasadh is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights. What is even more interesting is the mythology of Lughnasadh festival.


The Lughnasadh festival is said to have been begun by the god Lugh (modern spelling: Lú) as a funeral feast and sporting competition in commemoration of his foster-mother, Tailtiu, who died of exhaustion after clearing the plains of Ireland for agriculture.

So what I am saying here is that this ritual sacrifice in the theater in Colorado may have started the countdown for the funeral feast (false falg attack, many lives lost?) at the sporting competition (Olympics) as stated by the Illuminati's occult holiday sacrifice ritual of Lughnasadh.

William Henry also states that he does not think any false flag will happen during the opening ceremonies but rather it would happen after the games are under way so it may be worth paying extra close attention to the Olympics on the July 31st and August 1st dates.

Perhaps I am grasping here and I'm just trying to make connections that aren't there but it seems as though there may be some substance.

What do you think?

I think if i where into number crunching I would have come up with the same results as you, You seem to have a very sound theory there, I am impressed :wizard:

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Alex Jones commenting on the shooting:

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Wow great video! Don't let them use this shooting for political gain!

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

[QUOTE=Cartomancer;524527]Alex Jones commenting on the shooting:

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Wow great video! Don't let them use this shooting for political

Forgive me for forgetting the most important part: my heart goes out to the victims and their families. They will be in my prayers.

[EsmaEverheart]

Didn't the CIA just move to Denver?

[shadowstalker]

I wonder if Duncan O'Finion caught this story yet?
Unless I missed it I didn't see anything on this in his blog yet...

[Cartomancer]

They are saying the shooting was after midnight. 7/20=9. Theater #9 in T4N
RW66 :section 18 (=9). On the Mason Dixon line. MSNBC linking to Denver channel 9.

This is very similar to the numbers of the Gifford's shooting. T13N, R13W section 6.

The township designations are from Thomas Jefferson's Township grid that works like a magic square. The Columbine shootings were just south of the Mason Dixon line. The top two rows of the grid are used as a rectilinear zodiac and events and monuments of talismanic significance may be placed in this context for effect. I don't believe this but there are people who practice using the grid in the way I am suggesting.

The place and context of these events are very important to those who believe. I'm not saying this is what is going on here but is possible.

edit: Note number of my post.

[Fred Steeves]

Observe how much differently this tragic incident, and others, could have wound up. Talk about taking care of business.

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[Cartomancer]

Don't mess with the old guys. Good one Fred. I saw that yesterday and was struck by how calm the guy seemed. A true Hero.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Observe how much differently this tragic incident, and others, could have wound up. Talk about taking care of business.

Mm9o3vhKoF8

Exactly what we need to be reminded of in times like this. Guns can save lives just as easily as they can take them. Great post!

[Earth Angel]

Guns don't kill......PEOPLE do

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I just read here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-theater-shooting_n_1688944.html that the suspect reportedly had Tennessee license plates. I speculate that this incident may be used to encourage stricter regulations dealing with transporting firearms across state lines

[jagman]

We The People, Are under attack Not from an outside invader but from a much more sinister foe. Oh you can say your not at war but these
people are at war with you! They will try to disarm us soon. That's why they need a false flag.

I wrote this comment 2 days ago on another thread

[Cartomancer]

Check out the similarities in these two guys demeanor. What a sh*t eating grin on this sad pair. Holmes and Laughner.


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[truth4me]

I just read here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-theater-shooting_n_1688944.html that the suspect reportedly had Tennessee license plates. I speculate that this incident may be used to encourage stricter regulations dealing with transporting firearms across state linessuspect had Tennessee plates and his father lives in San Diego or at least thats where the police picked up the father to question him.

[noxon medem]

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Denver ,
Denver ?
Denver !

Denver , Colorado
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado

and an airport and
- what not .....

Where did I read something about
that lately ........
(here on this forum)

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and
http://www.denver.org/

Be well .

( todays random quote )


There could be millions of him ,
- but we hope there is, at least, one ...

&
- To you all :

:hug:

[HORIZONS]

We The People, Are under attack Not from an outside invader but from a much more sinister foe. Oh you can say your not at war but these
people are at war with you! They will try to disarm us soon. That's why they need a false flag.

I wrote this comment 2 days ago on another thread

The disarming of the American people would be a MAJOR event!!! It would even divide the military and law enforcement, as most of them are personal gun-owners too, and will not support such an action. There would be civil war in the streets, and in the countryside, of all America. It would be crazy!!! Talk about changing the landscape of this country forever - this would do it - as there would be dead bodies everywhere. More than any pandemic we even worry about. (Someone needs to make a movie about that!) Where I live in the USA - and all the surrounding states - I would bet that 99% of the population have guns - and some that I know have lots of guns and ammo stored - and will never give them up!!! It would be war!!!! If the UN treaty passes it wouldn't change a thing here, and in most states, as they would need a very large army to accomplish this, and I don't think it is even possible - unless some other event happens first to weaken the firearm owners in the USA. "Don't tread on me" would be the motto once again. I wouldn't want to be the guy trying to confiscate guns from Americans - that is insane to even think about.

[HORIZONS]

Think this type of crime is a new thing?

Because the shooting suspect was alive at the scene -- many mass killers commit suicide -- we might learn a lot more than usual about a motive for mass murder. Of course, that will do little to help us prevent future events. (The number of mass murders in the U.S. has remained fairly steady, averaging about two dozen cases a year since the mid-1970s.)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/fox-mass-murder/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[Maia Gabrial]

So, isn't it too much of a coincidence that so much is happening in Colorado? Fires, shootings, weird weather patterns, strange substance used in the fires, satanic sacrificial rituals murdering innocents....? wonder why the psychos of TPTW have chosen that state to play these sick games in....?

[Cartomancer]

I agree Maia it is so odd that all of this freaky news is going on there. The people of Denver and CO Springs must be worn out from all of this. Don't forget the talismanic intent of the artwork at the airport is death and rebirth oriented as well.

[truth4me]

So, isn't it too much of a coincidence that so much is happening in Colorado? Fires, shootings, weird weather patterns, strange substance used in the fires, satanic sacrificial rituals murdering innocents....? wonder why the psychos of TPTW have chosen that state to play these sick games in....?as noxon medem replied-- Denver,Denver? Denver! .....Denver Colorado...... It's got to be something with that airport.

[jagman]

Would any of you feel safe attending the London Olympic Games at this point?

[noxon medem]

So, isn't it too much of a coincidence that so much is happening in Colorado? Fires, shootings, weird weather patterns, strange substance used in the fires, satanic sacrificial rituals murdering innocents....? wonder why the psychos of TPTW have chosen that state to play these sick games in....?as noxon medem replied-- Denver,Denver? Denver! .....Denver Colorado...... It's got to be something with that airport.

&
- a possible tool to restrict ("secure"), the area ....
( Speculating here, as mostly ..).

Oh, well ..

- and, be well, all .

..
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[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I also think that if government mind control was directly responsible for this event, then Obama is definitely the choice of the PTW for the next election.

And I wish Unified Serenity wasn't on vacation because I sure would like to hear her opinion on this matter.

[Fred Steeves]

I just happened to catch an interview of a young lady in her early twenties named Jennifer Seeger, who had the guy's gun aimed right at her face. She said that the purpose of the gas mask was because he actually tossed atleast one tear gas cannister. I remember having to go through the gas room in Navy bootcamp, and that stuff ain't no joke let me tell you.

I wonder where the average Joe goes shopping for tear gas?

[noxon medem]

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wall mart, or similar
maybe called pepper-spray

&
- so
easy to make that cocktail ..

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[Cartomancer]

I just happened to catch an interview of a young lady in her early twenties named Jennifer Seeger, who had the guy's gun aimed right at her face. She said that the purpose of the gas mask was because he actually tossed atleast one tear gas cannister. I remember having to go through the gas room in Navy bootcamp, and that stuff ain't no joke let me tell you.

I wonder where the average Joe goes shopping for tear gas?

I was wondering about that too.There's lots of pepperspray available but I saw no "tear gas canisters" for sale. In the meantime details about this guy are very slow in developing. I wonder whats going on? Alex Jones is saying the program he was in at med. school was funded by the D.O.D.

[Alie]

Alex Jones practically predicted this movie causing violence in this video:

50ryV1_lxF8

Perhaps he had advance notice. :rolleyes:
This ritual feels about right heading into the Olympics. Maybe the light on a mass killing at the Olympics has made for a cancellation and the Archons needed a few "snacks" to make up for the loss. The bombings and this shooting being a part of it. Go to Veterans Today for the only coverage I know about on an attempted assassination of Hillary Clinton in Israel. Her recent comments about not releasing convicted traitorous spy Jonathon Pollard did not go over well there.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/18/breakingunconfirmed-sec-clinton-assassination-attempt-in-israel/


Well what if he was a Manchurian candidate --- under mind control? There was someone talking about the movie today that saw it --- he said there were wall street scenes and it seemed that the main character was like the President (O) talking. Also, think about all the alternative news about Colorado lately --- troops, underground bases, fires ...

I keep waiting for a trigger to IGNITE something ... that we DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN.

I, too am so sad for these families. And IF we were to ever find out that this was not a LONE gunman, then think about the callousness of "collateral damage".

[shadowstalker]

I just happened to catch an interview of a young lady in her early twenties named Jennifer Seeger, who had the guy's gun aimed right at her face. She said that the purpose of the gas mask was because he actually tossed atleast one tear gas cannister. I remember having to go through the gas room in Navy bootcamp, and that stuff ain't no joke let me tell you.

I wonder where the average Joe goes shopping for tear gas?


I was wondering about that too.There's lots of pepperspray available but I saw no "tear gas canisters" for sale. In the meantime details about this guy are very slow in developing. I wonder whats going on? Alex Jones is saying the program he was in at med. school was funded by the D.O.D.

Yup it's starting to add up this guy aint no average "JOE"

[Tangri]

Some times fate mesmerize some humans. This is a tragic comedy . A women merely escapes from one shooting 1 month earlier then she dies at an another shooting while she was Way Away.
She left movie theater 2 minutes earlier in Toronto but 1 mount later she waited until the movie's end.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1229429--jessica-redfield-victim-of-colorado-theatre-shooting-was-also-at-eaton-centre-shooting

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Observe how much differently this tragic incident, and others, could have wound up. Talk about taking care of business.

Mm9o3vhKoF8


Damn !!! That old man rocks, very happy we cant carry here in Holland though, or am i ? Hmmm.

[kcbc2010]

So, isn't it too much of a coincidence that so much is happening in Colorado? Fires, shootings, weird weather patterns, strange substance used in the fires, satanic sacrificial rituals murdering innocents....? wonder why the psychos of TPTW have chosen that state to play these sick games in....?as noxon medem replied-- Denver,Denver? Denver! .....Denver Colorado...... It's got to be something with that airport.


...And where the Air Force Academy is. And where Jon Benet Ramsey was murdered. Where Columbine - another incident used by the gun control people to get rid of the guns. Where Obama gave his nomination speech...(sorry, but he's the US President and considered important, so I'd feel neglectful if I didn't mention that it happened.) Colorado's got a lot of bad energy there. And, the freaky airport and reports of underground/alien activity.

Too much history to be a random event. When I heard the story, I smelled of being a "false flag". Lone nut job shooting up a movie theater and now people have to be screened before going to the movies.....yeah.....can we say psy-op.

And ABC news running around just dying for the guy to be a Tea Party "nutjob" because they desperately want to discredit anyone who doesn't like Obama.

Also, thanks to the person who posted the number symbolism because I've learned to realize that for some of these nut-jobs, the numbers and the date would matter.

Some places just reek of evil because evil has been invited to live there.

[Fred Steeves]

I don't know how thick the tear gas in the front of the theater where he came in actually was, but the girl I described in the interview said she couldn't breath while hiding on an aisle floor. For any here who may not know exactly what tear gas does, this short video shows it nicely.

obL3RP-pCBM

[RunningDeer]

i try to stay off the conspiracy bandwagon these days. though i thought this quote out of our local news would be interesting to some...

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/278707/635/Suspect-IDd-12-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting

where were these 2 or 3 officers that are up front all the time?

I myself, I'm a recovering Alex Jones' fan. http://serve.mysmiley.net/fighting/fighting0040.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

I finally figured out that I have "X" amount of hours in the day. I'm trying to use them wisely. Focus on solutions, raise my vibration, keep the body in working order.

:secret: Full disclosure...

I fall off the wagon from time to time. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[Earth Angel]

she left the mall in Toronto and narrowly missed being shot in the food court there only to end up at the movies and be killed in Colorado


Some times fate mesmerize some humans. This is a tragic comedy . A women merely escapes from one shooting 1 month earlier then she dies at an another shooting while she was Way Away.
She left movie theater 2 minutes earlier in Toronto but 1 mount later she waited until the movie's end.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1229429--jessica-redfield-victim-of-colorado-theatre-shooting-was-also-at-eaton-centre-shooting

[Cartomancer]

she left the mall in Toronto and narrowly missed being shot in the food court there only to end up at the movies and be killed in Colorado


Some times fate mesmerize some humans. This is a tragic comedy . A women merely escapes from one shooting 1 month earlier then she dies at an another shooting while she was Way Away.
She left movie theater 2 minutes earlier in Toronto but 1 mount later she waited until the movie's end.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1229429--jessica-redfield-victim-of-colorado-theatre-shooting-was-also-at-eaton-centre-shooting

That is so bizarre. Another case of synchromysticism in action in a negative way. These kinds of things make you wonder and simply defy any rational explanation.

[Black Panther]

Warner pulls "Gangster Squad" trailer

"Warner Bros. is pulling the trailer for its upcoming release Gangster Squad from theaters
following today's shooting massacre in Colorado because the trailer features a sequence
where gunmen open fire in a movie theater, killing audience members."

Full article : http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/20/warners-pulls-gangster-squad-trailer

At 2:03 gunmen open fire in a movie theater, killig audience members.
So if you don't want to watch, don't click on the play button!

ZBa5gPI6zgQ

[shadowstalker]

That is so bizarre. Another case of synchromysticism in action in a negative way. These kinds of things make you wonder and simply defy any rational explanation.
Well if you work on the mission (spiritual) theory she could have had something important to do before she was to officially leave this plain, and so her guardian saved her to be sure of it in the first shooting.

[Cartomancer]

That is so bizarre. Another case of synchromysticism in action in a negative way. These kinds of things make you wonder and simply defy any rational explanation.
Well if you work on the mission (spiritual) theory she could have had something important to do before she was to officially leave this plain, and so her guardian saved her to be sure of it in the first shooting.

That's an interesting concept. I guess we all have our part to play to one degree or another.

[shadowstalker]

Warner pulls "Gangster Squad" trailer

"Warner Bros. is pulling the trailer for its upcoming release Gangster Squad from theaters
following today's shooting massacre in Colorado because the trailer features a sequence
where gunmen open fire in a movie theater, killing audience members."

Full article : http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/20/warners-pulls-gangster-squad-trailer

At 2:03 gunmen open fire in a movie theater, killig audience members.
So if you don't want to watch, don't click on the play button!

ZBa5gPI6zgQ

Makes u wonder if some one wasn't to eager to fulfill a sequence.

[Cartomancer]

Warner pulls "Gangster Squad" trailer

"Warner Bros. is pulling the trailer for its upcoming release Gangster Squad from theaters
following today's shooting massacre in Colorado because the trailer features a sequence
where gunmen open fire in a movie theater, killing audience members."

Full article : http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/20/warners-pulls-gangster-squad-trailer

At 2:03 gunmen open fire in a movie theater, killig audience members.
So if you don't want to watch, don't click on the play button!

ZBa5gPI6zgQ

Understandably not available in the U.S.

[Kerrigan]

This is not an average Joe. Not only did he have tear gas, but his whole apartment is apparently trapped with explosives!

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21118947

Another article says:
"Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a "sophisticated" maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it. Five nearby buildings have been evacuated. "
http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-student-photo-released-160848135.html

[norman]

I don't believe any of this.

There must be a lot we don't know about how they use drugs and mind contol. I've been doubtful about all those so called muslim suicide bombers for years.

I don't even believe the guy's apartment is booby trapped either. More likely a ploy to add suspense and play for time while they assess the public reactions to the 'news'. and decide where to go with it next.

In my opinion, it's a psyop/fake threat operation.

Feel sick about the people directly used for this stunt.

[spiritguide]

Watch MSM and how they angle this tragedy. This can show us the mindset they want to instill in the sheeple. Venture that the theme will be " Be afraid, be very afraid". After all fear keeps one off balance. IMHO Sympothy for all innocents around the world who during these sick times give their lives to show the ugliness of war and dehumanization.

[LarryC]

Something is suspicious about all this. Someone spends all this time planning a pointless attack, yet then gives up so peacefully. If he is a mass murderer, why would he tell the cops that his house is boobytrapped? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?

[Kerrigan]

Coincidence?

Bane shoots 3 ppl in a theater in the 1986 DC comic book, then blames it on Batman:

http://cdn.washingtonexaminer.biz/cache/r620-7287416e80922620fccb76fdf86fa724.jpg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I don't know how thick the tear gas in the front of the theater where he came in actually was, but the girl I described in the interview said she couldn't breath while hiding on an aisle floor. For any here who may not know exactly what tear gas does, this short video shows it nicely.

obL3RP-pCBM

I remember that, teehee, i was in the service for three years, i puked with my mask on the first time in the chamber, we had to wait fifteen seconds before we were allowed to reach for our mask and we had to powder up first to close off any gaps and absorb anything that got on our skins. The full NBC drill, i am seeing the chamber right now, yechhhhhh, had fun though hehehe.:o

[Cartomancer]

Even more bizarre! That comic book is prophetic. Holmes was said to be obsessed with villains and heroes according to a college neighbor. Is this the same character from the current movie? His mind set seems to be just like the description of Holmes. I wonder if he read this............

[shadowstalker]

Even more bizarre! That comic book is prophetic. Holmes was said to be obsessed with villains and heroes according to a college neighbor. Is this the same character from the current movie? His mind set seems to be just like the description of Holmes. I wonder if he read this............
It was probably part of his programming...
Don't you know that story books and comic books are part of some of the MKUltra programming, It gives the programmed subject (on a subconscious level) something to cling to in that like some sort of messed up teddy bear..

[Fred Steeves]

I'm not sure what to think about the whole booby trapped apartment thing either. Supposedly he abruptly(interesting) quit school, and had only lived there for two weeks. Maybe he labored furiously for two weeks booby trapping his new place, after going to Insurgent Night School to learn the fine art of explosives and/or chemicals. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm busting my ass for atleast two weeks, trying to just get basically settled after a move.

Therefore, I would be most curious what these robot cameras are showing his place looking like. Does it look lived in, which would be virtually impossible to pull off in two weeks, while simultaneously and meticulously booby trapping the joint? Curiouser and curiouser...

[jagman]

News is reporting: Holmes Professors at med school say he was at the top of his class and he was one of brightest students>

[shadowstalker]

I'm not sure what to think about the whole booby trapped apartment thing either. Supposedly he abruptly(interesting) quit school, and had only lived there for two weeks. Maybe he labored furiously for two weeks booby trapping his new place, after going to Insurgent Night School to learn the fine art of explosives and/or chemicals. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm busting my ass for atleast two weeks, trying to just get basically settled after a move.

Therefore, I would be most curious what these robot cameras are showing his place looking like. Does it look lived in, which would be virtually impossible to pull off in two weeks, while simultaneously and meticulously booby trapping the joint? Curiouser and curiouser...

I have had one point when i was in a bad spot with an ex, booby trapped my house while unpacking and organizing my house, it was part of a meticulous process with me but it can be done inside of two weeks depending on the size or the apt, or house..

P.S. he him self prolly knew he was being watched or prolly realized what was really going in his life and tried to prevent it some how .....
I don't know I am merely guessing that part of him realizing whatever may have going on in his life..

[joelmags]

Misdirection. They have been talking about worldwide gun control at the UN: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/16/inside-the-un-arms-trade-treaty-talks/187144

There has been opposition: http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/07/17/130-members-of-congress-tell-obama-clinton-to-back-off-on-the-u-n-arms-trade-treaty-water-more-deadly-than-guns/

Then this mass shooting on the eve of the Olympics.

Go figure.

[Hervé]

For the ones following the symbols trail: Aurora = Dawn

[Maia Gabrial]

I don't know how thick the tear gas in the front of the theater where he came in actually was, but the girl I described in the interview said she couldn't breath while hiding on an aisle floor. For any here who may not know exactly what tear gas does, this short video shows it nicely.

Fred, that brought back memories. I hated going in there every year to requalify....

[noxon medem]

I'm not sure what to think about the whole booby trapped apartment thing either. Supposedly he abruptly(interesting) quit school, and had only lived there for two weeks. Maybe he labored furiously for two weeks booby trapping his new place, after going to Insurgent Night School to learn the fine art of explosives and/or chemicals. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm busting my ass for atleast two weeks, trying to just get basically settled after a move.

Therefore, I would be most curious what these robot cameras are showing his place looking like. Does it look lived in, which would be virtually impossible to pull off in two weeks, while simultaneously and meticulously booby trapping the joint? Curiouser and curiouser...

Please, do not use the word "joint" so flippantly ...
- Apart from that, good going, brother .
( smoke em if you got em ..).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdgwmhKUJWU

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Qwg5x7kc8&feature=related

Be well .

nm

[Fred Steeves]

P.S. he him self prolly knew he was being watched or prolly realized what was really going in his life and tried to prevent it some how .....


You sound like someone who will only put up with just so much BS with that story shadowstalker, I truly respect that! And thanks for the timing thing, for two weeks to booby trap a place.

What I'm really beginning to wonder now is, was it even him who did the thing? Every eyewitness I've seen thus far, can only describe a tall man in a gas mask, at best. NOT such a good description for a BOLO me thinks.

These first couple of days after a said event is our best chance at a glimpse into what might have really happened. After that, just like the poor kid that got jacked up being the Underwear Bomber, the eyebrow raising first hand accounts quickly go by by.

[shadowstalker]

P.S. he him self prolly knew he was being watched or prolly realized what was really going in his life and tried to prevent it some how .....


You sound like someone who will only put up with just so much BS with that story shadowstalker, I truly respect that! And thanks for the timing thing, for two weeks to booby trap a place.

What I'm really beginning to wonder now is, was it even him who did the thing? Every eyewitness I've seen thus far, can only descrive a tall man in a gas mask, at best. NOT such a good description for a BOLO me thinks.

These first couple of days after a said event is our best chance at a glimpse into what might have really happened. After that, just like the poor kid that got jacked up being the Underwear Bomber, the eyebrow raising first hand accounts quickly go by by.

Very very true, is he the one that really did it or was he scape goated, like i have been saying for a while now its not what they say but what they don't say...

[noxon medem]

Very very true, is he the one that really did it or was he scape goated, like i have been saying for a while now its not what they say but what they don't say...

- Then what ( not to make it complicated )
What is it excactly that You do not say ?
( adressed at anyone who read this, or none. Maybe me ..).

- It helps to say it out loud !?!
( and having a good laugh )

Be (a) Well .

..
-

[TargeT]

Just to play a TOUCH of devils advocate, everything I hear he used is available for purchase to the public, CS/OC canisters (AKA Tear Gas), Body armor, Gas mask etc.... all can be found pretty easily on the web.

OC/CS canisters are very useful & now that I know he used them it makes much more sense that he got some 70+ shots off; I always carry, even to movie theaters & I think this would have gone down very differently had someone with a touch of PERSONAL RESPONSABILITY ( yes, YOU are responsible for keeping YOU safe, not the police, not the security guards...) had been present.

This is a perfect example of why we should have a MORE gun friendly culture, an armed society is a polite society.


I find these situations both tragic and frustrating.

[shadowstalker]

Very very true, is he the one that really did it or was he scape goated, like i have been saying for a while now its not what they say but what they don't say...

- Then what ( not to make it complicated )
What is it excactly that You do not say ?

Be (a) Well .

..
-

I do not say that I know all the answers to this particular EVENT.
Because i don't know, i am am still waiting for the PATTERN to fully show it self.....
And might I add that the 72 hour play has not been played out yet. Then another week (yes I forgot to post this part in sorry)
Next we wait another month before they give us another script to weed out, about that same EVENT


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Who is watching the none sheeple on this forum?

[noxon medem]

..
-

Direction ?

Destraction ?

Who can tell ..
( but you )

Sometimes a detour
is personaly usefull .

:fish2:

..
-

[Hip Hipnotist]

5 pages of posts (so far) and not one mention of what in my mind (do to the massive research and information on the subject freely available) is where my bet goes.

No, not MK Ultra, brainwashing, psy-ops, torture, Jerry Springer Show and on and on...

SRI's.

Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors.

Remember those?

Antidepressant medications.

I won't go into the statistics on how many of these 'individuals' were either on or recently off of their prescribed anti-depressent medications but it's not the exception to the rule -- No, quite the opposite.

Don't look to find 'validation' in the mainstream media news. If my 'assumption' is correct it will surface on sites such as this.

If for whatever reason/motivation/drug this tragedy occured -- it's a sad state of affairs for all of us.

-------------------

No, not everyone on SRI's slaughter people. But tell that to the loved ones of those killed by those that were.

[Free Bird]

The Guardian states he was specialising in neuroscience when he was at university


He had been studying at the University of Colorado Denver Graduate Programme in neuroscience, the institution confirmed.

Documents show that a James Holmes had been enrolled on a course called Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders. He gave a presentation on May 8 on the topic of "MicroRNA biomarkers."

He had previously graduated from the University of California in spring 2010 with a BSc in neuroscience.

Holmes was described as the "top of the top" in academic terms by his former university.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/20/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes

It seems very strange that a guy who was top of his game in understanding the cause of psychiatric disorders goes and commits a totally psychotic and murderous act.



Peace and Love
-x-

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I don't know how thick the tear gas in the front of the theater where he came in actually was, but the girl I described in the interview said she couldn't breath while hiding on an aisle floor. For any here who may not know exactly what tear gas does, this short video shows it nicely.

obL3RP-pCBM

My first tear gas experience was in boot camp in Parris Island. We had to sing three stanzas of the Marine Corp Hymn before they would let us out. Then each year we were sent to be "re-qualified" in the tear gas chamber. Tear gas plus some kind of skin irritant. It took a long time to recover.

[TargeT]

My first tear gas experience was in boot camp in Parris Island. We had to sing three stanzas of the Marine Corp Hymn before they would let us out. Then each year we were sent to be "re-qualified" in the tear gas chamber. Tear gas plus some kind of skin irritant. It took a long time to recover.

"tear gas" aka O.C. / C.S. ( oleum capsicum / 0-Chlorobenzalmalononitrile ) is an over all irritant, it will make your skin burn, eyes water, nose run & cough violently (depending on person & quantity of exposure, I was deployed with a guy that is completely immune to CS, while I was blinded for a few hours by it).

they call it the "confidence chamber now" not the "gas chamber" haha.. PC for you, PC for me!

I haven't gotten to go to the chamber in a while (a few years now) and don't miss it one bit, the whole purpose of the chamber is to show you how effective your NBC equipment is ( thus "confidence chamber", as in, confidence in your protective gear)

[Earth Angel]

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good point Shadowstalker!! who is watching ?

[noxon medem]

I , for one , am

here is a different timezone
( good to know )

be well

..
-

[Ki's]

The online petitions have already started for more gun control because of this incident.

[shadowstalker]

:offtopic: Texas land of the guns and rifle and the like will vote to keep there guns so that how many millions? (just 2 start) :usa2: :focus:

[GlassSteagallfan]

Alex Jones has a point:

http://www.infowars.com/is-batman-massacre-staged-terror/





Fast and Furious - Take Two, Scene 1

[norman]

The online petitions have already started for more gun control because of this incident.

Yea, and they think we are stupid enough by now to think that banning the sky will stop it raining.

[LarryC]

Just came across this on Natural News -

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html#ixzz21CzGsF83

[shadowstalker]

basically what we'd been saying glad there on the ball

[9eagle9]

That was going to be my question to you, what common denominators tie this in with Columbine.




This shooting and the Columbine shootings both on the Mason Dixon Line.

[Rocky_Shorz]

almost a year to the day from when Oslo was attacked...

PhD in Neurology?

quit school moved to an apartment and spent 2 weeks rigging booby traps...

Bath Salts? experimental drug for depression?

something set him off 2 weeks ago, anyone find him on twitter or facebook to see if any of this was talked about previously?

[bluestflame]

i find links , university , psychology , "manchurian candidate :"

reminded "project talent" was used to identify and track gifted kids to handpick for special projects

through SAT scores etc.

[bluestflame]

i mean it's not unlikely, that over the course of his studies, he was given practical experience of the effects of various forms of post hypnotic suggestion

though the question is, by whom?

[norman]

i find links , university , psychology , "manchurian candidate :"

reminded "project talent" was used to identify and track gifted kids to handpick for special projects

through SAT scores etc.


i mean it's not unlikely, that over the course of his studies, he was given practical experience of the effects of various forms of post hypnotic suggestion

though the question is, by whom?


There's the deal.

Don't ever screw with a seductive mind fkr.

Even a masters or a doctorate ain't worth the candle, in the bitter end.

[Khaleesi]

I also think that if government mind control was directly responsible for this event, then Obama is definitely the choice of the PTW for the next election.

And I wish Unified Serenity wasn't on vacation because I sure would like to hear her opinion on this matter.

She's very busy writing her book and posting her thoughts per usual on her blog. You can find it listed in her signature or profile. She is very sad for the loss of life and what will most certainly be a political crisis they can't let go to waste. It's a very sad day for America. I'll let her know you asked.

[Flash]

To me it does not looks like habitual hypnosis but rather some other CIA tactics. A neuro science lab is filled with all kinds of drugs for research. Often the researchers use the drugs on themselves for lack of subjects, or to avoid lenghty paperwork while using external experimental subjects or simply for pleasure.

Easy then for alphabetical agencies to propose something or plainly forcefully push some drugs with or without the guinea pigs knowledge.

What about scolopamine for example, already in use by the CIA for ages. They could transform anyone with this. An immediate blood sample should have been taken, before any drugs fades away.


The most dangerous drug in the world: 'Devil's Breath' chemical from Colombia can block free will, wipe memory and even kill

Scopolamine often blown into faces of victims or added to drinks
Within minutes, victims are like 'zombies' - coherent, but with no free will
Some victims report emptying bank accounts to robbers or helping them pillage own house
Drug is made from borrachero tree, which is common in Colombia




By Beth Stebner

PUBLISHED:22:44 GMT, 12 May 2012 | UPDATED:13:43 GMT, 13 May 2012

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A hazardous drug that eliminates free will and can wipe the memory of its victims is currently being dealt on the streets of Colombia.

The drug is called scopolamine, but is colloquially known as ‘The Devil’s Breath,' and is derived from a particular type of tree common to South America.


Stories surrounding the drug are the stuff of urban legends, with some telling horror stories of how people were raped, forced to empty their bank accounts, and even coerced into giving up an organ.

Scroll down for video




Danger: 'The Devil's Breath' is such a powerful drug that it can remove the capacity for free will




Deadly drug: Scopolamine is made from the Borrachero tree, which blooms with deceptively beautiful white and yellow flowers







VICE’s Ryan Duffy travelled to the country to find out more about the powerful drug. In two segments, he revealed the shocking culture of another Colombian drug world, interviewing those who deal the drug and those who have fallen victim to it.

Demencia Black, a drug dealer in the capital of Bogota, said the drug is frightening for the simplicity in which it can be administered.




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He told Vice that Scopolamine can be blown in the face of a passer-by on the street, and within minutes, that person is under the drug’s effect - scopolamine is odourless and tasteless.

‘You can guide them wherever you want,’ he explained. ‘It’s like they’re a child.’

Black said that one gram of Scopolamine is similar to a gram of cocaine, but later called it ‘worse than anthrax.’

In high doses, it is lethal.




It only takes a moment: One drug dealer in Bogota explained how victims are drugged within minutes of exposure






Victims: One Colombian woman said that under the influence of scopolamine, she led a man to her house and helped him ransack it

The drug, he said, turns people into complete zombies and blocks memories from forming. So even after the drug wears off, victims have no recollection as to what happened.

One victim told Vice that a man approached her on the street asking her for directions. Since it was close by, she helped take the man to his destination, and they drank juice together.





'You can guide them wherever you want. It’s like they’re a child.'


She took the man to her house and helped him gather all of her belongings, including her boyfriend’s cameras and savings.

‘It is painful to have lost money,’ the woman said,’ but I was actually quite lucky.’

According to the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, the drug - also known as hyoscine - causes the same level of memory loss as diazepam.

In ancient times, the drug was given to the mistresses of dead Colombian leaders – they were told to enter their master’s grave, where they were buried alive.


Devil's Breath: The drug is odourless and tasteless and can simply be blown in the face of someone on the street; their free will vanishes after being exposed to it




Dangerous: Vice's Ryan Duffy traveled to the capital of Bogota to find out more about the drug





In modern times, the CIA used the drug as part of Cold War interrogations, with the hope of using it like a truth serum.

However, because of the drug’s chemical makeup, it also induces powerful hallucinations.

The tree common around Colombia, and is called the ‘borrachero’ tree – loosely translated as the 'get-you-drunk' tree.

It is said that Colombian mothers warn their children not to fall asleep under the tree, though the leafy green canopies and large yellow and white flowers seem appealing.

Experts are baffled as to why Colombia is riddled with scopolamine-related crimes, but wager much of it has to do with the country’s torn drug-culture past, and on-going civil war.

Watch video here: WARNING: CONTENT MAY BE UNSUITABLE FOR SOME READERS






Read more: Vice: Colombian's Devil's Breath Part 1
Vice: Colombian's Devil's Breath Part 2




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[Rocky_Shorz]

Holmes was a member of OWS Black Block. There were photos taken of him during the "protests" This smells, I believe this was a false flag to push the small arms treaty.

a protester from OWS?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hyK4YYEHI

interesting, the Philip Anshutz Neuroscience, where he went to school...

when I searched this was at the top

link (http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/philip-anschutz/)

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/mjryan1.gif?w=359&h=168


Philip Anschutz, of Anschutz Corporation

in Bed with Koch...

fracking, media and funding conservatives...

the more I look the scarier this gets...

[Referee]

A push event designed to sway ( American) public opinion for the signing of the UN small arms treaty. I like Rocky Shorz perspective and the parrallels to the Oslo Bombing.

[ghostrider]

question , if the entire crowd were carrying firearms, how many would have died, and who would have been killed ??? I say one the whacko. Dam shame you can't even spend a couple hours watching a fantasy movie without death knocking on your door, people ran and no one tackled this maniac... sad day. sad. pray for the tramatized suvivors...

[ghostrider]

I ran the cs chamber for three years in the army all future cadets from vmi to west point came to the base and had to go through the chamber. It instantly burns the skin, blinds the eyes and causes runny nose and just plain burns every cell in your body , causes panic and makes you lose your sense of direction and makes you run . 3,000 cadets directly exposed and only one female cadet was completely un-affected. she gave her name rank and social and never showed one sign on the affects, I thought she was a dang alien or a robot. grown men reduced to two year olds in three seconds , this lady was iron and rock solid under pressure.... someone throws cs in a closed room , you will panic and run into walls.... it's a nasty chemical...

[TargeT]

Holmes was a member of OWS Black Block. There were photos taken of him during the "protests" This smells, I believe this was a false flag to push the small arms treaty.

a protester from OWS?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hyK4YYEHI

interesting, the Philip Anshutz Neuroscience, where he went to school...

when I searched this was at the top

link (http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/philip-anschutz/)

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/mjryan1.gif?w=359&h=168


Philip Anschutz, of Anschutz Corporation

in Bed with Koch...

fracking, media and funding conservatives...

the more I look the scarier this gets...

very interesting, this needs a bit more research me thinks.....


I ran the cs chamber for three years in the army all future cadets from vmi to west point came to the base and had to go through the chamber. It instantly burns the skin, blinds the eyes and causes runny nose and just plain burns every cell in your body , causes panic and makes you lose your sense of direction and makes you run . 3,000 cadets directly exposed and only one female cadet was completely un-affected. she gave her name rank and social and never showed one sign on the affects, I thought she was a dang alien or a robot. grown men reduced to two year olds in three seconds , this lady was iron and rock solid under pressure.... someone throws cs in a closed room , you will panic and run into walls.... it's a nasty chemical...

Yeah, I'm one of the sensitive ones; when my buddy stood there unfazed (we were doing ballistic streams of OC in the eyes, then running an course & defending ourselves from "detainees")

he's the only one I've ever seen & I was very envious (as I squinted at him through swollen eyes)

[bluestflame]

along the lines of project paperclip infiltration of the universities?

[Rozzy]

This has psyop all over it IMHO

[gripreaper]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DwnosvoXq08/UAngvMBhOMI/AAAAAAAABDc/UQUaHsD3UHw/s1600/texas.jpg

[Ellisa]

Too many guns--- too easy to buy---too easy to use to kill as a protest.

This guy didn't just have one handgun, he had piles of a variety of them. He also had got hold of teargas of some sort, as well as a gas mask. This would have made for a very frightening situation for all in the cinema. Luckily there seems to have been no 'hero' attempting to shoot the gunman-- just imagine the panic that would cause in a room full of acrid smoke and random bullets from the 'rescuer's' high powered weapon spraying the room!

Perhaps as well as making guns harder to acquire someone could seriously look at the impression modern entertainment has on regular people, not to mention those already depressed, uncertain and disturbed,... and stop making it.

I have just seen the hideous message on the lawn of that neat and pretty house!!!! It's horrific!!!! Would you want to live near him/her?

[Kerrigan]

FBI / DHS warning for possible theater attacks was issued on May 17, 2012.

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.pdf download via google cache:
http://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-FBI-TheaterAttacks.pdf

[lookbeyond]

Totally agree Ellisa

[Tane Mahuta]

This has psyop all over it IMHO

I too concur...there's often more to the story...

My heart goes out to all...nothin but love!!!

TM

[TargeT]

Too many guns--- too easy to buy---too easy to use to kill as a protest.

This guy didn't just have one handgun, he had piles of a variety of them. He also had got hold of teargas of some sort, as well as a gas mask. This would have made for a very frightening situation for all in the cinema. Luckily there seems to have been no 'hero' attempting to shoot the gunman-- just imagine the panic that would cause in a room full of acrid smoke and random bullets from the 'rescuer's' high powered weapon spraying the room!

Perhaps as well as making guns harder to acquire someone could seriously look at the impression modern entertainment has on regular people, not to mention those already depressed, uncertain and disturbed,... and stop making it.

I have just seen the hideous message on the lawn of that neat and pretty house!!!! It's horrific!!!! Would you want to live near him/her?

When has this tactic EVER even REMOTELY worked?

This message makes me want to give you an "F" in critical thinking, or maybe just life in general;

Did you know that this theater was a "gun free zone" (as per the owners of the theater) why do you think THIS THEATER was picked?

Look at every "mass shooting", they all happen in "gun free zones"... do you think this is a coincidence?

I could go on all day, but if you do not see the problem with your line of thinking (or don't want to) there's no point is there?


Totally agree Ellisa

:shocked:

Yep, no need to protect your self or even be responsible for your own actions right? that's DEFINITELY the job of someone else... just as long as its not you.

[gripreaper]

There are approximately 80 million households in the United State who own guns. This is the only obstacle between freedom and full global tyranny.

There is no way some 24 year old broke college student is running around with tear gas, full gas mask, and 20 thousand dollars worth of fully automatic gear, unless he was funded and supported by a black ops agenda.

I feel sorry for those who want to use this incident to disarm America.

[lookbeyond]

Iam very happy to live in a country that does not have laws which permit such atrocities to be almost common place- due to easy access to firearms.I cried when i read the news this morning- for the teenage girl lying on the floor alive- not yet dead who made eye contact with an adult who ran past not daring to stop in fear for own life.I dont know about you TargeT but i have a teenage daughter and i do not know what the future will bring but the less exposure a society has to firearms the safer IMO

[Tarka the Duck]

@ TargeT wrote:

.... an armed society is a polite society.

???????????? Mmmmm...Travelled much around the world have you?

For the rest of us, politeness is based in respect for other human beings, not fear that they are carrying a weapon.

In a loving society, guns are not needed.
In a spiritual society, one's weapon is compassion.

This tragic event is desperately saddening. And this thread is saddening too.

[TargeT]

Iam very happy to live in a country that does not have laws which permit such atrocities to be almost common place- due to easy access to firearms.I cried when i read the news this morning- for the teenage girl lying on the floor alive- not yet dead who made eye contact with an adult who ran past not daring to stop in fear for own life.I dont know about you TargeT but i have a teenage daughter and i do not know what the future will bring but the less exposure a society has to firearms the safer IMO

I too have a daughter, and see it as my job to protect her until she can protect herself

All your country has done is create large pools of victims, a clear and present example of a failure to learn from history & a blind ignorance to the realities of.... reality.




@ TargeT wrote:

.... an armed society is a polite society.

???????????? Mmmmm...Travelled much around the world have you?

For the rest of us, politeness is based in respect for other human beings, not fear that they are carrying a weapon.

In a loving society, guns are not needed.
In a spiritual society, one's weapon is compassion.

This tragic event is desperately saddening. And this thread is saddening too.


I have traveled quite a bit; even to your little rock on the ocean.

if we were in a loving society, or a spiritual one I'd completely agree with you, even if you ignore everything on this forum and even this very thread you are posting in you cannot say that this is the case.

We live in reality, I live near 1,500lb predators that hunt solo, and near 100lb predators that hunt in packs; not to mention the two legged variety that can get a little rowdy from time to time.

Why would I deny myself a tool in the HOPES that everyone will do the same ?

[Tarka the Duck]

Thank you for the reply, TargeT

I was addressing one of your statements that struck me as outlandish. Being armed = being polite. Ain't necessarily so.

[Ellisa]

TargeT--- All I can say is that it must be really dreadful to live in such fear all the time. I'm glad we have the sort of sane gun laws that mean I would not have the foggiest idea where to buy a gun. We have no gunshops in my large (400,00) town and we do not miss them.

[lookbeyond]

TargeT-if i may say so your name says it all ,our country rarely experiences such atrocities as those of your neck of the wood, which sadly occur regularly. As for protecting your daughter , unless you are with her on guard 24/7 she is obviously more at risk in a gun carrying society than not ,as is obvious by the reports of gun related deaths in your country.

[ThePythonicCow]

TargeT-if i may say so your name says it all ,our country rarely experiences such atrocities as those of your neck of the wood, which sadly occur regularly.
As others have noted, it isn't the gun toting citizen that's causing these problems. It's the mind controlling bastards in power. They are causing problems in many areas in the world, by various means and diversions, for various reasons. Here in the USA, one reason is to disarm us. Other reasons include weakening our health, our communities, our schools, and our families.

[lookbeyond]

Interesting- yet we do not experience regular massacres

[TargeT]

TargeT--- All I can say is that it must be really dreadful to live in such fear all the time. I'm glad we have the sort of sane gun laws that mean I would not have the foggiest idea where to buy a gun. We have no gunshops in my large (400,00) town and we do not miss them.

There is no fear at all, ever.... haha

I live in one of the MOST PRO gun states and after being shocked (personaly, myself, while at a Tea party rally) at seeing a gun open carried in public I helped found the 2nd amendment task force for my local area & got really active in gun rights for about a year, and got a lot more active as this is one of the KEY things that makes the US, the US... our 2nd amendment is all that stands between me and a tyrannic government even today.

So if you think the US is some sort of gun slinging western film you are very mistaken; gun owners are polite private individuals that understand they are being responsible for themselves and their family with their decision.

"an armed society is a polite society" has many meanings, mostly this: You live in a country of easy victims, everyone you walk past is probably unarmed; if you all of a sudden become "more armed" (advantaged, placed above the rest in ability / capability) humans are prone to take advantage of this.. when this is NOT the case, these type of "assholes" are polite because they know they are not in a position to "bully" or "strong arm" or "rob" etc.. because you are no longer a victim but a person capable of defending themselfs. (I'm probably not explaining this the best, but hopefully you get the idea).





TargeT-if i may say so your name says it all ,our country rarely experiences such atrocities as those of your neck of the wood, which sadly occur regularly. As for protecting your daughter , unless you are with her on guard 24/7 she is obviously more at risk in a gun carrying society than not ,as is obvious by the reports of gun related deaths in your country.


Your country has 22 million people, mine has 330million; if this were to happen in your country at the same scale something like 1 person would have died and 5.5 would have been injured.... Remember to keep things in perspective ;)

I don't know why you people are so afraid of guns, I never even think about them, never have I been afraid of being shot (in this country) and I guarantee there are more guns in my neighborhood alone than you've probably seen in your life (given the tone of your posts).


Remember, we are talking about giving "GOOD GUYS" guns, not "BAD GUYS" you are talking about TAKING AWAY guns from "good guys" (and we all know that bad guys don't follow those laws anyway.....)




Interesting- yet we do not experience regular massacres


your country is very small... ours is MUCH larger and we don't regularly experience massacres; the last one we had was in 2009 and involved a MILITARY individual (which you have nothing to compare to, our military dwarfs all others and causes its own "issues" so this event is almost irrelevant)

[lookbeyond]

Thankyou for your civility

lookbeyond


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree. I shall not be posting on this subject again.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

There are approximately 80 million households in the United State who own guns. This is the only obstacle between freedom and full global tyranny.

There is no way some 24 year old broke college student is running around with tear gas, full gas mask, and 20 thousand dollars worth of fully automatic gear, unless he was funded and supported by a black ops agenda.

I feel sorry for those who want to use this incident to disarm America.

Personally................ i think student loans and buying that gear are the most probable cause that left him broke....... being top of class in neuropsychology does not say a damn thing about this guy...... except maybe he was trying to figure out what was wrong with him without seeing a therapist......... anywho......... nobody in his/her right mind would go out and start shooting people for no reason.... i think the psy op theme is a bit hastily used here.

The gun ban law connection is pretty interesting though.

I am not against guns at all, what i do think smells pretty fishy is this remark................ an armed society is an polite society.....??????? WTF?
I you are not capable of being polite without guns............ i seriously question your state of mind in the first place.

So, i am for self defence when needed.. even with a gun if running is not an option, or you are done running and want to be done with it......... if threathened with a gun it would piss me off so bad i would probably want to shoot the asshole on the spot for putting me through such an experience in the first place and make very sure he never does that again to me or anybody else for that matter ( its kinda rude to stick a gun in someones face, no matter what the circumstances eh).

What i do LIKE about the US, is the fact people are/were allowed to be armed to prevent hostile takeover by gouvernment and you would have the right to defend yourself against any enemy foreign or domestic who threathened your live, nobody has the right to take away your right, since that would not be rights at all if they could be taken away.

Well here my point goes............. down the drain...... rights are been taken away and self defense is out of the window, go figure... those ptw have to go and they will...........sad they want to drag as many souls possible with them on their way out.

[D-Day]

To those advocating strict[er] gun control laws, here are a few historical facts for you to ponder....


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, w ere rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.


So, do we really wanna to take a chance and allow history to repeat itself?... again?!

The fact is, gun control doesn't work!

Criminals don't care about gun laws!

All gun control does is make victims out of people who can no longer defend themselves.

In neighborhoods/towns where people know there is a loaded gun for protection in the house, there are few home invasions/robberies.

Take Switzerland as an example...

IN SWITZERLAND THEY ISSUE EVERY HOUSEHOLD WITH A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE TO.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

To finish up, the following video, filmed in Australia shortly after their clandestine gun control laws were introduced, speaks volumes IMO '...

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[enfoldedblue]

Hi, I'm sorry to stray away from the topic a bit, but I am curious about the whole pro gun thing. Whenever I hear the pro gun people talking there seems to be the idea that somehow having a population with guns will protect the state becoming corrupt (lol...sorry :P) . Of course over a hundred years ago (when the law was created) this argument might have been viable, but today when we consider just the weapons that we 'officially' know TPTB have at their disposal, the guns that are available for purchase by the average person would be virtually useless against their advanced technology. Imagine the people trying to fight tanks and drones etc with their 'legal' weapons....it would be a very sad affair indeed. It seems to me that the right to bear arms is something that today would be encouraged by TPTB because they know that they are essentially useless against them...but very handy for getting the sheeple to kill one another.

So I guess while I understand the spirit in which the law was created, today it would seem obsolete. To me the key is people comming together peacefully. I think they have the violence route pretty well mastered, there is little chance of beating them at that game....but when it comes to love that is right out of their comfort zone...maybe even the achilles heel.

The guy who killed these people was either a victim of MK Ultra, sent in to raise the frequency of fear, or a victim of the system driven mad by the level of fear experienced in his life. Either way, I personally cannot see more guns as any sort of long term viable solution to this problem.


................................
Hey I just want to add here that it is very interesting to see, from an objective perspective how well we have all been influenced (brainwashed) by our natioanl rhetoric. Yes....I am Canadian (living in Australia for 15 yrs)...and I do find it really hard to understand the whole gun thing. Please know I am not saying one is right or one is wrong...just interesting to look at.

[markpierre]

TargeT--- All I can say is that it must be really dreadful to live in such fear all the time. I'm glad we have the sort of sane gun laws that mean I would not have the foggiest idea where to buy a gun. We have no gunshops in my large (400,00) town and we do not miss them.

Control legislation doesn't deny arms to the factions of people who misuse them. It doesn't and won't affect illegal gun sales. That's only meant to control the factions that might have a legitimate use for them.
Gun control is strict in Australia, but you can't go a week without a new murder. People cut each others heads off for christsake. It's like a new fad.
That's here in any small town.
I shudder to think what it might be like for you if/when the lawlessness that is the value system of our leaders becomes your own everyday experience.
No one is immune from atrocity by virtue of their values.
You might even wish you had a gun. Or you might wake up a little quicker.

[TargeT]

Hi, I'm sorry to stray away from the topic a bit, but I am curious about the whole pro gun thing. Whenever I hear the pro gun people talking there seems to be the idea that somehow having a population with guns will protect the state becoming corrupt (lol...sorry :P) . Of course over a hundred years ago (when the law was created) this argument might have been viable,

We have an anti-gun control constitutional amendment, not a "gun control law"; its the complete opposite actually.



but today when we consider just the weapons that we 'officially' know TPTB have at their disposal, the guns that are available for purchase by the average person would be virtually useless against their advanced technology. Imagine the people trying to fight tanks and drones etc with their 'legal' weapons....it would be a very sad affair indeed. It seems to me that the right to bear arms is something that today would be encouraged by TPTB because they know that they are essentially useless against them...but very handy for getting the sheeple to kill one another.

Well everything about "war" always comes down to infantry, tree to tree, door to door grunts on the ground with rifles; yeah body armor is pretty good, but not invulnerable. I think you're a bit too fantastical about how things go down in general.. but resistance is resistance, and its a lot more effective than going "whats the point, they win anyway". I'm not ready for that attitude.



So I guess while I understand the spirit in which the law was created, today it would seem obsolete.

I respectfully disagree with all of this statement.


To me the key is people comming together peacefully. I think they have the violence route pretty well mastered, there is little chance of beating them at that game....but when it comes to love that is right out of their comfort zone...maybe even the achilles heel.

The guy who killed these people was either a victim of MK Ultra, sent in to raise the frequency of fear, or a victim of the system driven mad by the level of fear experienced in his life. Either way, I personally cannot see more guns as any sort of long term viable solution to this problem.

You know what people said at the interviews after the theater shooting?

Everything was under control when the cops got there, everything was safe...

well what do cops do when they show up ? they bring GUNS, so everything was "safe" when the guns showed up... there were zero guns in good guys hands, and some in a bad guys hands, I don't see how it doesn't make sense that if someone were present there and able to stop this individual (I would have, he wouldn't have gotten more than 1-3 shots off, body armor doesn't make you invincible either, a few well placed shots will put you on the ground then disarming is easy)

I guess it comes down to fundamental differences in perception, culture & pre determined idea's on topics....

[Maunagarjana]

If guns are the only thing keeping us from tyranny, then I wonder why people aren't using their guns already? The tyranny arrived long ago, and yet I don't see any firefights with tyrants. You know why? Because it's just a bunch of bluster that people tell each other to make themselves feel better. No, don't reply to me to argue with me about it. Go fight some tyranny.

[Fred Steeves]

Anyone here think that guns are the only way to terrorize a population? Here's a few I came up with that would work very well indeed:

Speeding cars purposely mowing down dozens after sports events.

Molotov Cocktails tossed in crowded shopping malls.

Cutting down power line poles with a chainsaw.

Start tossing 50 pound boxes of roofing nails out onto busy interstate highways. For that fact, one could drive around at night, and toss hand fulls of them onto front yards, sandy beaches, playgrounds, etc.

Rat poison laced dog treats generously passed out at various dog parks.

Swimming pool acid sprayed into eyes on a subway.

Well I could go on, as I have quite a vivid imagination. In the mean time, it seems we all might sleep a little sounder tonight, if we could just get rid of the following: Cars, gasoline, roofing nails, rat poison and pool supplies. Of course no pool supplies would mean no pools, but public safety trumps all.

[modwiz]

If guns are the only thing keeping us from tyranny, then I wonder why people aren't using their guns already? The tyranny arrived long ago, and yet I don't see any firefights with tyrants. You know why? Because it's just a bunch of bluster that people tell each other to make themselves feel better. No, don't reply to me to argue with me about it. Go fight some tyranny.

The use of guns often requires killing someone. Unless one is put into a position of defending themselves or loved ones, they usually will not take it upon themselves to go out and kill someone. Even someone who needs killing. (to quote John Wesley Harding). Only psychopaths can just go out and kill people. The US citizenry have proved that they are not the killer apes that science would have us believe lurk withing all of our breasts. That is just more lies the psychopathic elite use to hide amongst us. The lie that we are all alike in murderous intent. The whole survival of the fittest bull.

For now, we have a "mexican standoff". The elite know that awakening the instinct of defense is when things will go very poorly for them. They intimidate but stay a step away from outright threat. A nuanced stance they are well aware of.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Anyone here think that guns are the only way to terrorize a population? Here's a few I came up with that would work very well indeed:

Speeding cars purposely mowing down dozens after sports events.

Molotov Cocktails tossed in crowded shopping malls.

Cutting down power line poles with a chainsaw.

Start tossing 50 pound boxes of roofing nails out onto busy interstate highways. For that fact, one could drive around at night, and toss hand fulls of them onto front yards, sandy beaches, playgrounds, etc.

Rat poison laced dog treats generously passed out at various dog parks.

Swimming pool acid sprayed into eyes on a subway.

Well I could go on, as I have quite a vivid imagination. In the mean time, it seems we all might sleep a little sounder tonight, if we could just get rid of the following: Cars, gasoline, roofing nails, rat poison and pool supplies. Of course no pool supplies would mean no pools, but public safety trumps all.

Medication, drugs, food additives, bad tv, poor education, crappy water, ban on vitamines, ban on raw products, privately owned prisons and then some more weapons of mass terror and destruction.

[Jenci]

In 1996 Thomas Hamilton walked into a primary school in Dunblane in Scotland and shot and killed 16 children and their teacher.

The following year the UK government was able to bring in a law banning handguns.


Of course the msm reported a disturbed individual who carried out a crazed attack but for those who have been down the rabbit hole of investigation of this case may find that he was a manchurian candidate with dots connecting to scottish freemasons, paedophilia, child abuse, top level goverment ministers/Nato, internet child porn, whitewashed inquiry and government which felt it necessary to raise the time limit on the public having access to the files from 30 years to 100 years.

[Vince]

Hi

This whole affair strongly reminds me of the Merah case that just happened in France last march :

http://www.infowars.com/french-terror-attack-all-the-hallmarks-of-an-intelligence-psy-op-and-false-flag/

http://counterpsyops.com/tag/mohamed-merah/

Where a very young man, with no money, no military training and obvious contacts with the leader of the French Secret Services, starts first to travel in nearly 10 different countries in the Middle-East, then carry out 2 years later (while being under survey by Secret Services, go figure...) a number of killing in total cold blood in southern France, using weapons he couldn't possibly afford to buy (or even to get on the black market, like a colt 1911 and a Brit Sten machine gun).
All of this of course to be blamed on the great "Evil" of islam radicalism.
The whole affair became very smelly as soon as the siege of Merah's'loft started, a disgusting show which lasted for more than 24 hours, with medias everywhere filming the scene like it was Bruce Willis last blockbuster movie.
Not to forget that some witnesses of the murders of Merah (7 in all, including 3 children, on 3 different places around or in the town of Toulouse) described a man with a scar on his face, blue eyes, and a fatter body than Merah's'own.

[danceblackcatdance]

Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers 13/7/2012

If everyone had weapons, would criminals think twice?

Where were the cops when this went down...


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[jackovesk]

Interesting- yet we do not experience regular massacres

How 'Ironic', all it took was just one Govt. 'False Flag' Massacre down in Tasmania...

The Port Arthur massacre of 28 April 1996 was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded by this bloke Martin Bryant :confused: Acting (They Say) alone and Shazam 'NO MORE GUNS'...just how the Govt. had planned it...:yes4:



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Martin_Bryant.jpg/220px-Martin_Bryant.jpg

Martin Bryant (born 7 May 1967) is an Australian spree killer who was convicted of murdering 35 people and injuring 21 others in the Port Arthur massacre, a shooting spree in Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia, in 1996.[1] He is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in the psychiatric wing of Risdon Prison in Hobart, Tasmania.[2] His rampage ranks among the deadliest of the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

Soon you are going to 'Wish' you had some form of defence for your family's protection...:yes4:

[lookbeyond]

I feel compelled to point out something within my posts that has been obviously missed- i believe i said "regular" massacres/atrocities experienced due to easier access to guns-jackovesc,it is unfortunate when some deliberately? misread others posts and or go out of their way to paint others opinions so negatively. All i did was support another who i happened to agree with and i feel this has become a free for all- shame on you those concerned-at least TargeT PM d me to say he did not mean to offend- the rest of you have just jumped on the bandwagon,i am disappointed with Avalon and will be leaving you to it,whatever it is you do

lookbeyond

[Tarka the Duck]

Take Switzerland as an example...

IN SWITZERLAND THEY ISSUE EVERY HOUSEHOLD WITH A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE TO.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!



To use Switzerland as proof that there is no link between gun ownership and gun crime is not as simple as it is being portrayed here. This issue is mindblowingly complex, with so many variants.


In Switzerland, there is national service and men undergo regular military training every year instead of having a full time army.
Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries, but has remained relatively isolated.
It has none of the social problems associated with gun crime seen in other industrialised countries like drugs or urban deprivation.
Despite the lack of rigid gun laws, firearms are strictly connected to a sense of collective responsibility.
The Swiss value obedience, and self-police, to the point where pedestrians refuse to cross on a red light, even if the road is clear. Their mass transport system is financed by voluntary contributions.
From an early age Swiss men and women associate weaponry with being called to defend their country and their government.
It is a very strong patriachal society with a high percentage of traditional family where the citizens (particularly women and children) have much less freedom. The individual is less important than the greater society.

As the lawyer, historian and philosopher Stephen Halbrook wrote in his book about Swiss armed neutrality:

The bottom line is one of attitude. Populations with training in civic virtue, though armed, generally do not experience sensational massacres or high crime rates. To use Switzerland as proof that there is no link between gun ownership and gun crime is not as simple as it is being portrayed here. This issue is mindblowingly complex, with so many variants.

For example:
In Switzerland, there is national service and men undergo regular military training every year instead of having a full time army.
Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries, but has remained relatively isolated.
It has none of the social problems associated with gun crime seen in other industrialised countries like drugs or urban deprivation.
Despite the lack of rigid gun laws, firearms are strictly connected to a sense of collective responsibility.
The Swiss value obedience, and self-police, to the point where pedestrians refuse to cross on a red light, even if the road is clear. Their mass transport system is financed by voluntary contributions.
From an early age Swiss men and women associate weaponry with being called todefend their country and their government.
It is a very strong patriarchal society with a high percentage of traditional family where the citizens (particularly women and children) have less freedom than in the US. The individual is less important than the greater society.

As the lawyer, historian and philosopher Stephen Halbrook wrote in his book about Swiss armed neutrality:

The bottom line is one of attitude. Populations with training in civic virtue, though armed, generally do not experience sensational massacres or high crime rates. Switzerland fits this mould.
But the United States does not. As H. Rap Brown declared in the 1960s, "Violence is as American as apple pie."


Sorry, I've gone on a bit...:o

[Rozzy]

Gun bans do one thing very well, they make sure it is the law abiding citizen that does not have one, a concealed carry permit holder is very well trained and an asset where ever they happen to be at any given time. A person deserves the right to at least have the chance to protect themselves, this idea we should all be at the mercy of evil violent people is ludicrous. Gun bans do not get rid of the bad guys whether they be government or private individuals. No hand guns allowed in Canada, right? If you are a law abiding citizen that is true, but you can still buy any make or model you want in short order right across the country. Thousands upon thousands of rapes, murder and mayhem of all kinds happen every year in Canada leaving behind the results of these heinous acts, all the while we are under very tight gun restrictions. I do not believe making it safe for the perpetrators is a good or viable answer to making the streets safer.

[jackovesk]

I feel compelled to point out something within my posts that has been obviously missed- i believe i said "regular" massacres/atrocities experienced due to easier access to guns-jackovesc,it is unfortunate when some deliberately? misread others posts and or go out of their way to paint others opinions so negatively. All i did was support another who i happened to agree with and i feel this has become a free for all- shame on you those concerned-at least TargeT PM d me to say he did not mean to offend- the rest of you have just jumped on the bandwagon,i am disappointed with Avalon and will be leaving you to it,whatever it is you do

lookbeyond

Don't leave on my account,

I wasn't have a Dig at you at all...:nono:

I was merely trying to convey the point that 'Because of our Govts. False Flag Tasmanian Massacre, the entire Country was basically unarmed in an instant after all the Gun buyback and the subsequent laws & penalties enforced on non-registered firearms...

...and it was your statement that reminded me of the event...:yes4:


Interesting- yet we do not experience regular massacres

I believe in anyone's rights to bare arms, and because of the Port Arthur False Flag that choice was instantly taken away from us...:faint:

So please don't leave on my account because you misunderstood where I was coming from...

I don't believe I have to apologize for a misunderstanding or do I..?

Rgs,

Jack :)

[NancyV]

Too many guns--- too easy to buy---too easy to use to kill as a protest.

This guy didn't just have one handgun, he had piles of a variety of them. He also had got hold of teargas of some sort, as well as a gas mask. This would have made for a very frightening situation for all in the cinema. Luckily there seems to have been no 'hero' attempting to shoot the gunman-- just imagine the panic that would cause in a room full of acrid smoke and random bullets from the 'rescuer's' high powered weapon spraying the room!

Perhaps as well as making guns harder to acquire someone could seriously look at the impression modern entertainment has on regular people, not to mention those already depressed, uncertain and disturbed,... and stop making it.

I have just seen the hideous message on the lawn of that neat and pretty house!!!! It's horrific!!!! Would you want to live near him/her?
I thought it was a pretty fantastically funny sign! In fact, I just told my husband about it and we both laughed a lot. If I had a neighbor who was rabidly and vocally anti gun I would love to have a sign like that.....except I prefer to be more subtle in everything.

As far as there being "too many guns--- too easy to buy---too easy to use to kill as a protest." I would say that not ENOUGH people have and know how to use guns. Guns are getting too difficult to buy and guns don't kill...PEOPLE KILL. If someone wants to kill a lot of people and guns aren't available, they'll find another way to do it. They sure found ways to kill people for centuries long before guns were invented.

[jackovesk]

Mum had gut instinct killer at screening of new Batman film was her son

July 22, 2012
12:00AM

WHEN she heard the news of a massacre at a cinema in Colorado, gut instinct told Arlene Holmes her son was responsible for the carnage.

Mrs Holmes, who lives in a smart white house in an upmarket suburb in sunny San Diego with husband Robert, won't yet say how she knew, only that a mother's intuition told her.

Her son, James Holmes, 24, is accused of one of the biggest mass shootings in American history.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/07/21/1226431/670350-james-holmes.jpg
Accused mass killer James Holmes was described as a good son by mother Arlene

"You have the right person," she told American television network ABC.

"I need to call the police ... I need to fly out to Colorado."

By early yesterday Robert Holmes was heading to Aurora - the quaint city in Colorado where his son only a month earlier had been a medical student completing a doctorate in neuroscience.

Arlene Holmes was left home alone, refusing to answer questions. Perhaps the middle-class mother was contemplating how the grandson of a decorated World War II veteran, the boy she described to neighbours as "a good son", could have become a mass murderer.

James Holmes grew up in a loving family with a sister who played the guitar and neighbours who exchanged Christmas presents.

Christine Mai, who with her parents had lived next door to the family for 15 years, said she shared hot apple cider with Holmes last Christmas and that "he seemed like a nice guy", although she doesn't recall him socialising with friends or having a girlfriend.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/07/21/1226431/668151-tom-sullivan.jpg
Tom Sullivan searches for his son Alex, who was later confirmed dead. Picture: AP Source: Herald Sun .

She said Holmes had taken a part-time job at McDonald's to help support himself through school.

"I felt bad for him because he studied so hard," Ms Mai told the Denver Post yesterday. "My brother said he looked kind of down, he seemed depressed."

Ms Mai's father, Tom, said Holmes as a teenager was a normal boy who "cut the grass and cleaned the car", while other neighbours spoke of a quiet, reserved and respectful youth who was very bright.

But while he was seen as "easygoing" to neighbours, classmates described an anti-social recluse who barely had any social life and would spend hours indoors playing the video game Guitar Hero after dropping out of university.

It was claimed police were investigating a sex-cruising website that Holmes may have set up.

The page features a man with crudely dyed red hair who looks like Holmes.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/07/22/1226431/767703-shooting-suspect.jpg

It says he is looking for "casual sex" or a "fling" and asks chillingly, "Will you visit me in prison?"

School acquaintances called him a studious recluse with few close friends, an introvert who was fast-tracked through high school.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/07/21/1226431/668116-emma-goos.jpg
Emma Goos, who was in the cinema, hugs mother Judy

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/07/21/1226431/668134-batman-massacre.jpg
The Century 16 movie theatre in Aurora, Colorado, where 12 people were killed during a screening of the new Batman movie.

Always a high achiever and heavily involved in church, Holmes won a scholarship to the University of California, where he topped the class while doing an honours degree in neuroscience.

University of California chancellor Timothy White said Holmes distinguished himself academically.

"Academically, he was the top of the top," he said.

Last month things changed. Arlene Holmes confided in a neighbour that her son was frustrated because he couldn't get a job and, for the first time, he was struggling academically.

While he had a handful of friends in high school, at university Holmes appeared to have none. Classmates considered him aloof, even a little strange.

Holmes was a bright boy who delighted in cross-country running and had never been in trouble with the law, other than a parking ticket.

His few friends, equally studious, thought him super smart, but even they remembered him as quiet, something of a loner.

Yesterday the director of The Dark Knight Rises, Christopher Nolan, cancelled the French premiere of the movie and said the killings had violated the "innocent" place he calls his home, the cinema.

Arlene and Robert Holmes released a statement saying: "Our hearts go out to those who were involved in this tragedy."

However, as yet the couple have offered no clues as to why their only son allegedly carried out the attack that claimed the lives of 12 people and injured 58.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/07/21/1226431/478342-single-minded-killers.jpg
Source: News Limited .

http://www.news.com.au/world/mum-had-gut-instinct-killer-at-screening-of-new-batman-film-was-her-son/story-fndir2ev-1226431678885

[Tarka the Duck]

I've learned such a lot about different viewpoints from reading this thread: although I spend a fair bit of time in the US every year, I have honestly never realised how very important the right to bear arms is to even the most average mainstream person there :o So thank you all for broadening my education!

Having grown up in a country which has some of the most stringent gun laws in the world, this subject is rarely discussed here (unless there has been an incident involving gun crime) as guns do not feature in the lives of minds of pretty well everyone in the UK. Guns just are not relevant here, and I would hazard a guess that the majority of the population would feel strongly that they want to keep it that way (even though they are creeping in to the country).

Last year, following the riots in the UK, we flew on an American airline and were chatting with the cabin crew who were horrified at what they had heard. Even though, at that point, no one had died as a result of the rioting, their unanimous opinion was that it wouldn't have happened if the police had been armed. They actually advocated spraying the rioters with bullets - "That would stop 'em!" To us, that was totally shocking.

Nancy - you said:

They sure found ways to kill people for centuries long before guns were invented.

Agreed. That's why I can't quite get my head around that idea that a gun will defend you against a government/militia bent on exerting their will.

[taurad]

another PhD drop out classic case...

wait,

hang on a sec...

that doesn't make much "common" sense...

but again, as Victor Hugo said:

common sense is NOT that common!

cheers

[Fred Steeves]

Agreed. That's why I can't quite get my head around that idea that a gun will defend you against a government/militia bent on exerting their will.

What I've noticed Kathie, is that police/military do NOT want a fair fight, ever. The military even brags about it. They are very domineering, brave and macho when in their cherished wolf packs, but one person with a good eye and a rifle will make them scatter like bowling pins. They will back off quickly, and wait until overwhelming odds are established. Recently in our area here for example, rather than using strategy to root, or wait out a barricaded and armed man out of a house, they simply bulldozed it to the ground with him in it. Very brave indeed.

This works quite well in rare and isolated cases, but if the people in general have had enough, and the so called "authorities" are getting hit with pot shots wherever they go, they would leave in a hurry. Of course they are then waiting for tanks, the Air Force or whatever, to come in and annihilite the entire area if need be, but then come the big magic question of how many troops will obey this order. Talk about high stakes poker...

Bottom line really, is it gives pause to a government who may be impatient in rolling deeper into their plans of total and complete domination. History shows they want the majority of the guns gone first, then they start making their big moves. Like I said before, the last thing in the world they want is a fight that is even close to fair.

[Cartomancer]

Here's a link to more information about the similarities between the shootings and the Batman graphic novel from 1986. That story includes a man shooting three in a movie theater. This article points out also that part of the plot or background of Batman includes his parents being murdered in a theater.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/07/20/chilling-parallel-between-shooting-and-dark-knight-comic?hpt=hp_t2

[risveglio]

This is really sad...I´m very sad about the victims and their families...They were just trying to have some fun...

I´m not for the prohibition of guns, but guns aren´t the solution to protect people from tyranny. Maybe it was a solution in the past but not anymore.

Governments know how to control people, with or without guns. The USA is a good example of it; people carry guns and are extremely controlled anyway.

In my opinion, the big problem with guns is that not all good guys carry guns, but all bad guys carry guns. This cinema atrocity is an example of it; How many people were carrying guns there? Probably just the shooter.

There´s another thing that bothers me...Why such events always happen in the USA? Every year something like this happens there. Sure, it happens in other countries as well, including my country, but it´s very rare.

I think it´s ok to freely sell and buy guns, but maybe a deeper psychological test should be required before a person can buy them.

Raf.

It was a gun free zone in a state that has very laxed gun laws. The argument could be made that if it was not a gun free zone, the shooter would have been taken down by a "good guy" before he did so much damage.

[jagman]

Police & FBI have detonated 3 devices so far and they have disabled one trip wire but they still cannot gain entry to Holmes apt. Bomb experts
on the scene say they have never seen this level of sophistication. This Just in: All trip wires have been diabled. (it took 2 days) I think I seen this
movie before "Bourne"

[NancyV]

Nancy - you said:

They sure found ways to kill people for centuries long before guns were invented.

Agreed. That's why I can't quite get my head around that idea that a gun will defend you against a government/militia bent on exerting their will.
One man who is good with a gun can defend against overwhelming odds and superior weaponry. Certainly not all the time, or maybe even often, but it's all about not giving up. Each of us has a lot more power than we think. Unfortunately we've been programmed from birth to believe that we are weak and ineffective. We've also been programmed that we should rely on others to protect us, like the police and military. I never accepted that programming.

In my case, I am married to a long time sniper. One good sniper can defend against many aggressors. I'm also fairly good with guns and have had them since my late teens when I married my first husband who was a Vietnam vet, as is my present husband. No matter how old we are, if we are ever attacked we will fight.

Guns are an equalizer. Before guns were invented you needed to be strong to fight. Women had little chance to defend themselves. Perhaps if guns were not invented women would still have less equality, who knows. A woman attacked by a strong man has little chance, but if she has a gun and is smart, she is more equal.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

[gripreaper]

Agreed. That's why I can't quite get my head around that idea that a gun will defend you against a government/militia bent on exerting their will.

What I've noticed Kathie, is that police/military do NOT want a fair fight, ever. The military even brags about it. They are very domineering, brave and macho when in their cherished wolf packs, but one person with a good eye and a rifle will make them scatter like bowling pins. They will back off quickly, and wait until overwhelming odds are established. Recently in our area here for example, rather than using strategy to root, or wait out a barricaded and armed man out of a house, they simply bulldozed it to the ground with him in it. Very brave indeed.

This works quite well in rare and isolated cases, but if the people in general have had enough, and the so called "authorities" are getting hit with pot shots wherever they go, they would leave in a hurry. Of course they are then waiting for tanks, the Air Force or whatever, to come in and annihilate the entire area if need be, but then come the big magic question of how many troops will obey this order. Talk about high stakes poker...

Bottom line really, is it gives pause to a government who may be impatient in rolling deeper into their plans of total and complete domination. History shows they want the majority of the guns gone first, then they start making their big moves. Like I said before, the last thing in the world they want is a fight that is even close to fair.

I can understand how those who do not have the right to bear arms might feel about it, but lets put it into perspective. The United States was one of the last bastions of freedom, where people could brave the oceans and go to a new continent to escape tyranny. There is no place left to go anymore to escape tyranny. This is the last stand against tyranny

Why do you think the UN treaty on small arms is up for a global vote in two weeks? Because the elite want to disarm America, as the last bastion standing against global tyranny before they make their final move. the Colorado incident is the precursor.

In the last four years, gun and ammunition sales have skyrocketed in America, by the average law abiding citizens, just good regular folks. There has been more guns and ammo purchased in the last four years than in all of Americas previous 200 year history combined. If you don't think that a nation heavily armed, to the tune of 80 million households out of approximately 100 million households sends a strong message, think again. Just the hunters alone average about 80,000 per state. This is huge and unprecedented.

Like I said in an earlier post, sure the elite could outgun the people with their sophisticated toys, but they don't want to go for it until they disarm us. I'm glad that most Americans WILL NEVER give up their guns, as they do realize it is the ONLY thing standing between freedom and slavery and the full implementation of tyranny.

I don't think the elite want to do a beta test on what 300 million pissed off and armed people would be like against a couple hundred thousand psychopaths who think they own and control everything. There is no precedent for how that would turn out. The closest beta test we have was Hurricane Katrina. They took those poor peoples guns away, herded them into their sports dome, and then starved them. All of America was watching.

We did not like what we saw.

[lizfrench]

Hi, I am a new member, thank you for having me. The information here at Avalon is very useful and pertinent. To add a two cents regarding the Colorado "locality". There is another important happening (if you will) 250 miles or so from Denver in Pagosa Springs; it will be the Abicor Center, where, according to Mark Kimmel and others, will be where star civilizations and celestials will come and go to interact with humans in the near future, sort of a training center to help us raise our vibrational frequencies so that we can interact with others in the universe. It does seem that the Coloradao area denotes a metaphysical or psychic threshold somewhat like areas in England.

[shadowstalker]

Hi, I am a new member, thank you for having me. The information here at Avalon is very useful and pertinent. To add a two cents regarding the Colorado "locality". There is another important happening (if you will) 250 miles or so from Denver in Pagosa Springs; it will be the Abicor Center, where, according to Mark Kimmel and others, will be where star civilizations and celestials will come and go to interact with humans in the near future, sort of a training center to help us raise our vibrational frequencies so that we can interact with others in the universe. It does seem that the Coloradao area denotes a metaphysical or psychic threshold somewhat like areas in England.

Welcome to Avalon

Thank you for the info I will do some research on that thank you.

[norman]

I've just heard ( on the BBC ) that FBI people have done a 'controlled explosion' at the guy's appartment now.

That's an odd decision to have made. No matter how hard it would have been to defuse any devices there, it would make more sense if they'd done all they could to preserve the contents of the appartment for analysis.

An explosion will have destroyed everything.

Handy, that.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Thankyou for your civility

lookbeyond


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree. I shall not be posting on this subject again.

Let me first say that I mean to say this with the utmost respect for you and your point of view.

This is a big deal and it is healthy to feel emotional about the loss of life and the vicious nature of the shooting, but I think some people might be feeling disproportionately emotional about this particular incident because of the media hype.

You can always tell there is a political agenda behind an event by the way it is covered in the media imo. Of course the agenda imo is to get the American public up in arms about implementing stricter gun control laws.

Ok, that being said, think about how many civilians have died in drone strikes carried out by the US military this year or even today. Maybe more than 12. Maybe 20. I wonder how many people have died of starvation today. The exact number doesn't matter for the point I am trying to make but do you see where I'm going with this? The people of the world have much bigger fish to fry than gun control in the United States, no?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Look at statistics on most common causes of unnatural death and that will give you a good idea of what we should be focusing on instead of gun control IMO.

[Fred Steeves]

I've just heard ( on the BBC ) that FBI people have done a 'controlled explosion' at the guy's appartment now.

That's an odd decision to have made. No matter how hard it would have been to defuse any devices there, it would make more sense if they'd done all they could to preserve the contents of the appartment for analysis.

An explosion will have destroyed everything.

Handy, that.

Make that several controlled explosions Norman, and that goes right along with what I was speculating on just a while ago. This right now, is the window of opportunity to notice odd things before they get buried and go bye bye. As of just last night, it was all about saving the evidence in the apartment, however long that might take. Suddenly today, boom boom boom, and it's all over folks. Great job guys, nothing more to see here.

Anyway, reel me in off the crazy tree if ya'll think I need it, but I'm thinking our boy in custody didn't actually do the shooting, and it certainly was not him who booby trapped that place to the level of baffling bomb experts.

I'm thinking the kid was a mind controlled patsy. Made to believe he had done all these things, dressed the exact same as the shooter in the theater, and then put out of a car to approach the cops, with the order to go down guns blazing. Case closed.

I'm also thinking that those sophisticated booby traps were destined to go off, killing and maiming untold numbers of cops. Can you say America is now under direct threat from domestic terrorism?

So o.k., here's what I'm speculating went wrong. The kid may truly believe that he did all these things, but his programming unexpectadly broke down, just a bit, at the critical point of violence. Armed to the teeth, and wearing head to toe body armor, he peacefully surrendered. Also, he ratted himself out about the meticulously booby trapped apartment. IMHO, both of these are the acts of someone who has yet to cross that line of no return. They are certainly not the acts of someone who has just commited mass murder.

[Tangri]

To those advocating strict[er] gun control laws, here are a few historical facts for you to ponder....



In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

You forget to tell about Japaneses, in the USA and Canada during WW2. You are talking war times . 1915 was WW1 and Armenians were attacking their own citizens and support Russian army.
British, French, Italians did gun control even after war for Turkish citizens for4 years.
Please let the historians to discuss the history. History should not be written by winners or richest.

[Cartomancer]

Chok teshakeraderim

[Tangri]

Chok teshakeraderim

Birsey degil :o

[Mandala]

Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!

[Maunagarjana]

another PhD drop out classic case...

wait,

hang on a sec...

that doesn't make much "common" sense...

but again, as Victor Hugo said:

common sense is NOT that common!

cheers

That was from Voltaire not Hugo. "Le sens commun n'est pas si commun." And no, I'm not even a PhD dropout.....I am just a self taught googler. ;) My dad used to say that quote a lot....the English version.

[TargeT]

Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!

Sure sounds like everything I was taught in school ....

Reality however, is MUCH different.

We are NOT the ravaging evil beings you think we are, (or we have been taught we are).

Know what one of the BIGGEST problems in the Korean (Vietnam as well, though the training had changed by then a bit) war for the US ARMY was (so big that they re designed the core weapon system used by soldiers & the basic training they revived when first joining; a VERY rare event.)?

They found that only about 15% of the soldiers were "killers"; the rest would aim high, close their eyes or just yank the trigger back and point in the general direction of the "bad guys". In fact they even use "brainwashing" tech. now to change this, when I went through basic training we were put through sleep deprivation & would chant phrases, a Drill Sargent would yell " WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?" and we were trained to answer "Blood, Blood makes the grass grow!" (watch FULL METAL JACKET for a very good example of this...)


This may shock you,, PEOPLE ARE OVERWHELMINGLY GOOD!

Read this for how FAR the military has to go to create "killers" (and even this is not very effective).
Hope on the battle field:
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/hope_on_the_battlefield/

[Harley]

What Paul said:


As others have noted, it isn't the gun toting citizen that's causing these problems. It's the mind controlling bastards in power. They are causing problems in many areas in the world, by various means and diversions, for various reasons. Here in the USA, one reason is to disarm us. Other reasons include weakening our health, our communities, our schools, and our families.

And what Jenci said:


Of course the msm reported a disturbed individual who carried out a crazed attack but for those who have been down the rabbit hole of investigation of this case may find that he was a manchurian candidate with dots connecting to scottish freemasons, paedophilia, child abuse, top level goverment ministers/Nato, internet child porn, whitewashed inquiry and government which felt it necessary to raise the time limit on the public having access to the files from 30 years to 100 years.

Was just watching a news vid. Re: the bombs in the apartment.

Cops said "They are of a level and sophistication that we've never seen before."

My question: Why would a college student go to all the trouble to learn all about bombs and IED's, buy the material and set it all up, go massacre a bunch of people, and then turn around and tell the arresting cop (actually he turned himself in peacefully) that there were bombs in his apartment?

This entire thing is made for the news media

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/us/col...ss_igoogle_cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-apartment/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)

This IS a False Flag

And although the gun control aspect of it may appear to be a major one, it is not. Driven by the media, it is only made to appear major to the public because it's such a highly charged issue and it's all the public can understand. In reality anytime something like this happens it ALWAYS causes the gun control advocates to rear their heads, so this is nothing new and actually was to be expected.

What a great way to keep everyone busy! While armed military are being moved in to take over the "security" of public events and mass gatherings, the Middle East is literally on the verge of blowing up, and who knows what else may be coming that they're not telling us, we'll all be busy arguing about gun control!

And I suppose that it is of no coincidence that this alert was released by the US Gov barely two days before the attack:


U.S. government issues another worldwide security caution

Large events or areas where tourists gather could be targeted for extremist attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/travel/us-worldwide-caution (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/travel/us-worldwide-caution/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)Hints and signs are ALWAYS provided before-hand, but hardly anyone ever notices or pays attention because they're always so busy with life's dramas that have been provided them. People love drama.

And to the ptb this is nothing but an amusing game.

[music]

This was a staged event, working to promote an agenda, so discussion about whether or not to control guns based on this is pointless. The media however loves to run with the pointless, so much milage will be had.

A gun is nothing more than yet another tool. A tool with one function only, to kill at a distance, so implicit in gun ownership is cowardice, even if only a reaction to the cowardice of others.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Holmes was a member of OWS Black Block. There were photos taken of him during the "protests" This smells, I believe this was a false flag to push the small arms treaty.

a protester from OWS?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hyK4YYEHI

interesting, the Philip Anshutz Neuroscience, where he went to school...

when I searched this was at the top

link (http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/philip-anschutz/)

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/mjryan1.gif?w=359&h=168


Philip Anschutz, of Anschutz Corporation

in Bed with Koch...

fracking, media and funding conservatives...

the more I look the scarier this gets...

very interesting, this needs a bit more research me thinks.....


I ran the cs chamber for three years in the army all future cadets from vmi to west point came to the base and had to go through the chamber. It instantly burns the skin, blinds the eyes and causes runny nose and just plain burns every cell in your body , causes panic and makes you lose your sense of direction and makes you run . 3,000 cadets directly exposed and only one female cadet was completely un-affected. she gave her name rank and social and never showed one sign on the affects, I thought she was a dang alien or a robot. grown men reduced to two year olds in three seconds , this lady was iron and rock solid under pressure.... someone throws cs in a closed room , you will panic and run into walls.... it's a nasty chemical...

Yeah, I'm one of the sensitive ones; when my buddy stood there unfazed (we were doing ballistic streams of OC in the eyes, then running an course & defending ourselves from "detainees")

he's the only one I've ever seen & I was very envious (as I squinted at him through swollen eyes)

hearing the FBI sent a memo 2 months ago that a theater shooting was coming, makes me wonder how they didn't single this shooter out and have him under surveillance...

remember how Charles was looking for Green eyes, because they were easier to mentally manipulate...

the shooter had bright green eyes...

[Rozzy]

let me show you how effective very tight gun control in Canada is right now.


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/07/20120721-110418.html

[D-Day]

let me show you how effective very tight gun control in Canada is right now.


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/07/20120721-110418.html

Interesting.

Well, here's the latest good news from Australia:

http://theconversation.edu.au/if-police-and-government-cant-control-sydney-gun-crime-local-communities-must-6594

Gun control laws were introduced in Australia in 1996 after the Port Arthur massacre [false flag event]. Since then, the implemented gun control laws have done virtually NOTHING to curb the rate of gun-related crime in our country.

That was the whole point of introducing those laws, yet they have proven to be utterley ineffective in helping to achieve that objective.

Ultimately, the only people adversely affected by the gun laws were those who used their guns responsibly, for legitimate purposes.

Now only the government and the criminal elements within our country (did I really need to separate them?) have access to guns.

How wonderfully reassuring for us.

[D-Day]

Nice to see you back here and posting again Harley :)



This IS a False Flag


What a great way to keep everyone busy! While armed military are being moved in to take over the "security" of public events and mass gatherings, the Middle East is literally on the verge of blowing up, and who knows what else may be coming that they're not telling us, we'll all be busy arguing about gun control!

My question to you: if "this IS a false flag" then what IS the purpose of the event?

What's the underlying agenda here?

What objective are they (TPTB) trying to achieve?

Do you truly believe this event was orchestrated solely to act as a means of misdirection/distraction from other world events taking place at the moment?

While I'm sure this event has indeed served that purpose, I personally have my doubts that it was the primary purpose of this event.

There's no doubt in my mind that disarming the American people has been high on the list of agenda items of TPTB for a very long time now.

IMO the only question for them has been around the timing and method of implementation for achieving that objective.

I think what we are seeing here with the Denver shootings could well be phase 1 of a multi-phased attack designed to garner public support for the implementation of strict gun control laws throughout America - to once and for all disarm the American public and remove the 'potential' threat they (the armed American public) represent for TPTB and their ongoing plan.

Since 9-11 and the Bush/Obama administrations the American people have been losing rights and freedoms hand over fist, one after another.... but I reckon you guys ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Just imagine how far they could go with all that if the threat of opposition from an armed American public was eliminated?

Don't want to wake the beast??... well then, why not just clip his claws and remove his fangs while he's still sleeping!

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a spate of mass shootings [false flags] in America in the short term. Just like 9-11 was used as a pretext to go to war in the middle east, the Denver shooting and any subsequent false flag mass shooting events can (and probably will) be used as a pretext for the disarmament of the American people.

Mark my words... I have a sneaking suspicion this is just the beginning.

[Rocky_Shorz]

To those advocating strict[er] gun control laws, here are a few historical facts for you to ponder....


In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

You forget to tell about Japaneses, in the USA and Canada during WW2. You are talking war times . 1915 was WW1 and Armenians were attacking their own citizens and support Russian army.
British, French, Italians did gun control even after war for Turkish citizens for4 years.
Please let the historians to discuss the history. History should not be written by winners or richest.

there are 300 Million guns in America, one for almost each and every one of us...

that is why seeing a psy-op of this Magnitude in the hands of one of Koch's friends... very bad indeed, first bath salts in the hands of chemtrail sprayers and now this...

water destroyed, air polluted and now filling airwaves with mind control signals...

we better get Anglo Saxon mission back to the forefront...

my signal was continuous 33s leading up to this terrible tragedy...

around here, that only means one thing...

where's Charles...

[Rocky_Shorz]

This IS a False Flag

And although the gun control aspect of it may appear to be a major one, it is not. Driven by the media, it is only made to appear major to the public because it's such a highly charged issue and it's all the public can understand. In reality anytime something like this happens it ALWAYS causes the gun control advocates to rear their heads, so this is nothing new and actually was to be expected.

What a great way to keep everyone busy! While armed military are being moved in to take over the "security" of public events and mass gatherings, the Middle East is literally on the verge of blowing up, and who knows what else may be coming that they're not telling us, we'll all be busy arguing about gun control!

And I suppose that it is of no coincidence that this alert was released by the US Gov barely two days before the attack:


U.S. government issues another worldwide security caution

Large events or areas where tourists gather could be targeted for extremist attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/travel/us-worldwide-caution (http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/travel/us-worldwide-caution/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)Hints and signs are ALWAYS provided before-hand, but hardly anyone ever notices or pays attention because they're always so busy with life's dramas that have been provided them. People love drama.

And to the ptb this is nothing but an amusing game.

can someone point out where this info is posted, I'd like it for a stream for a topic like USGS does...

now I've heard May and July but no one heard about it until after the attack?

anyone see it on the Amber Alert Billboards?

how about the news, they blab about everything...

Glenn Beck is pushing a new free energy invention, never made it through the intro... but plan on when I have some free time...

that's one of the first time he is stepping out with something very anti Conservative... ;)


now out of all of their sources, none of them heard anything?


this came on the New Moon, which by now we understand what that opens up in some people...

[TargeT]

Glenn Beck is pushing a new free energy invention, never made it through the intro... but plan on when I have some free time...
..

link?

I'd be interested to look at that. Google doesn't come up with much

[jackovesk]

Thankyou for your civility

lookbeyond


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree. I shall not be posting on this subject again.

Let me first say that I mean to say this with the utmost respect for you and your point of view.

This is a big deal and it is healthy to feel emotional about the loss of life and the vicious nature of the shooting, but I think some people might be feeling disproportionately emotional about this particular incident because of the media hype.

You can always tell there is a political agenda behind an event by the way it is covered in the media imo. Of course the agenda imo is to get the American public up in arms about implementing stricter gun control laws.

Ok, that being said, think about how many civilians have died in drone strikes carried out by the US military this year or even today. Maybe more than 12. Maybe 20. I wonder how many people have died of starvation today. The exact number doesn't matter for the point I am trying to make but do you see where I'm going with this? The people of the world have much bigger fish to fry than gun control in the United States, no?

Some Good Points there AlternativeInfoJunkie...:thumb:

Unfortunately, I would have blurted out a response like this...

Lookbeyond don't you (GET IT)...:confused:

That's (EXACTLY) the response the Globalist MSM are after...:yes4:


I am feeling somewhat emotional about this event, i am very upset that people cannot be safe at school/cinema etc especially the young who seem to be the targets, we may need to agree to disagree.

They (WANT) you to feel the (FEAR) they want you to feel (POWERLESS) they want you to feel (OMG) what can I do, its all too much - Its so Horrible...:scared:

Most feel this way when they 1st start to Awaken, but after a while (without losing sight of ones Empathy towads their fellow Humans) we start to look alot Deeper into the 'Cause & Effect' on who the perp was (was he Mind Controlled..?) who 'Really' was responsible..? etc...

So 'Toughen UP' and get back on your 'Free Humanity Bike' and help us defeat the CROOKS...:yes4:

Diplomacy & Controlled Speech are obviously not one of my strengths...:nono:

Just by 'Telling it How it Is or How I see It' you can see how I often get myself into trouble...:noidea:

So 'Welcome' to Avalon - Its great to have you on board - We've all been through the tough times on our own 'Journey of Awakening'...

But, we've (Hung in there)...

...and

NEVER QUIT...

Rgs,

Jack :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Glenn Beck is pushing a new free energy invention, never made it through the intro... but plan on when I have some free time...
..

link?

I'd be interested to look at that. Google doesn't come up with much

that is weird, I just went back for the email with the link, and it's gone, but looks like an email replaced it with a Gas Generator, too strange, I'll see if I can reopen it tomorrow...

[truth4me]

Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!Well,the elite love to rage war or who ever controls them loves war. The average person IMHO just wants to live their life in peace. I don't want to kill anyone.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think what is hurting most is we wish we could have stopped it some way or some how...

we take it very personal, that's why terrorists can terrify us...

was this a Brilliant mind needing psychological help?

for those of us at Avalon, that is much harder to swallow, than he was a zombie under mind control...

to see someone's psych break down that far, is beyond us...

could it have been stopped if 3 letter agencies let the warnings out to the public in time?

[161803398]

You don't even need brainwashing to get this result. People are very suggestible anyway. If you have a society that is promoting violence in movies and television its going to have an effect. For some people the effect will be to kill.

[jackovesk]

Is this 'Life imitating Art' yet (AGAIN)..!?

Ever seen this before...:confused:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/denver-airport-mural.jpg

Yes, we now have a Denver Gas Mask Wearing - 'Baby Killer' & now a 'Gun Grab' just as the NWO has planned...:yes4:

...and Don't Forget the 'Body Scanners' now being proposed in all Shopping Centres & Cinema's...:faint:

PS - This important video report is just a small sampling of on-the-record cases where government staged shootings and other bloody acts to pose as heroes, take freedoms, and launch wars...

Proof Gov Stages Mass Shootings: Batman Massacre Decoded

Jul 21, 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sabePxK07Is&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sabePxK07Is&feature=player_embedded

[Ellisa]

Make of it what you will--- here is a list of the death rates from gun killings in various countries over the past few years, as published by wikipedia.

Death rate per 100,000---

Top of the list is South Africa.
10 is the US with 10.27
12 is Switzerland with 6.4..
Australia is 33 with 2.94 deaths..
The UK is 0.46 deaths.
Chile comes in with the least amount of deaths at 0.06 per 100,000.

I have quoted this because somewhere a person posted Switzerland as being a country with guns and low death rates. This simply is not true. Switzerland is high on the table only 9 places behind the US in a list of 50! When reading the list it is impossible not to understand that the top half have lax gun laws and the bottom half have gun control. It simply isn't hard to understand. If guns (and other weapons) are easy to get and to stockpile some will use them to hurt others. It is impossible to deny this. To 'protect' someone you would have to fire the gun to harm someone else.

[TargeT]

Numbers are FUN!

Ellisa, are DOCTORS legal in your country ??


deaths 2007......................Nationwide................Florida
Firearms..........................................613...............16
Medical care adverse effects.............2,248...............108


US statistical fun:


These STATS are based upon data from the FBI, the DOJ, and other government and antigun groups. Health stats are reported by various federal agencies. These data can be found in the World Almanac.

One is 18 times more likely to die at the hands of a negligent doctor than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 2.43 times more likely to die of AIDS than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 1.25 times more likely to die of a fall than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 7.9 times more likely to die of pneumonia than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 72.8 times more likely to die of heart disease than to be killed with a handgun.

One is 1.28 times more likely to drown, burn, or die ingesting food than to be killed by a handgun.


shall we continue or do we think that perhaps this topic is being blown out of proportion for "other reasons" ??

[Cartomancer]

DOCUMENTS SAY TERRORISM WARNING IN THEATERS ON MAY 17! This video says the FBI issued a warning for terrorist attacks in theaters that was issued on May 17th.

This video from Dutchsinse:

O9aVMfYR8to

[lwing]

I smell a PSYOP. I dunno, firearms in your home or car seem fine with me, but I'd still rather not take one out in public in most circumstances personally. If a theater wants to have private security check points that's fine, but please don't make it mandatory.

[Sir Eltor]

Recipe ( cure ) : for the sheeple
2 - toothpicks ( eyelids )
1 - chair
1 - restraining device ( rope ...)
x - amount of Avaolon forums = enough truth

*** for those failing to awake... another day in the chair = tough love
*** repeat as necassary

[jackovesk]

Make of it what you will--- here is a list of the death rates from gun killings in various countries over the past few years, as published by wikipedia.

Death rate per 100,000---

Top of the list is South Africa.
10 is the US with 10.27
12 is Switzerland with 6.4..
Australia is 33 with 2.94 deaths..
The UK is 0.46 deaths.
Chile comes in with the least amount of deaths at 0.06 per 100,000.

I have quoted this because somewhere a person posted Switzerland as being a country with guns and low death rates. This simply is not true. Switzerland is high on the table only 9 places behind the US in a list of 50! When reading the list it is impossible not to understand that the top half have lax gun laws and the bottom half have gun control. It simply isn't hard to understand. If guns (and other weapons) are easy to get and to stockpile some will use them to hurt others. It is impossible to deny this. To 'protect' someone you would have to fire the gun to harm someone else.

Push Shove - Push Shove...& more Push Shove - Push Shove...

Ya still don't (Get It..?) Do Ya Ellissa...:faint:

Especially coming from those of you who wish to pay 'NO ATTENTION' to the (FACTS), from those who so 'PAINSTAKINGLY' go out of their way to educate others as to What the (CORE-PROBLEM) is...:faint:

It really (MAKES ME QUESTION...???) if there is some kind of 'Alterior-Motive' going on here that the rest of us are'nt privy too...:confused:

PS - I am sure you'll come back with some kind of (TACIT) response...:noidea:

...by all means please (Do So...:yes4:)

But Please, just Please read through the (ENTIRE THREAD) before you do, in order to see some of your fellow members well researched points that have been brought forth in this debate...:)

PSS - We have never had a 2nd Amendment in Australia, and if you don't understand Why it was included in the US Constitution by the 'Founding Fathers' how can you possibly justify your argument..?:faint:

[Leon]

Sad this has happened,
but as in the past turning in weapons will not stop this sort of thing happening... it's sad but true...
people will find other ways, and this sort of thing is not happening as much as it used to...
Where I live it's really peacefull, yet nearly every house has a military weapon... the weapon is not the problem it's to do with social pressures and mentality...
As for Aussie coments, blinded...
Is Aussieland safe??? for who?
they tried to get rid of the weapons, oh yea bought back 620000 did the crime rate change? no
over 7000000 guns have disapeared in Aust. banning, tighting laws just drives those who want them underground.. it doesn't work..

this event should never have happened.

[Fred Steeves]

Has anyone else noticed that reporting of "the shooter" having lived in the apartment for only two weeks has suddenly vanished? From what I've seen anyway, prior to the detonations in the apartment it was commonplace to hear, I even posted about it.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47574-Mass-Shooting-in-Denver-7-20&p=524759#post524759

After the detonations yesterday, it's all about the booby traps. I'm pretty good at wording things in varying ways to track down information on Google, and so is my wife. We can find absolutely nothing about him having lived there for only 2 weeks. Odd that.

We may still be in that magic window of time after an incident where some of the real facts are getting out there, but it's likely closing fast. If there is a We Are Change Colorado, wouldn't you just love to hear some polite, but REAL questions at one of these eye glazing press conferences? Like: "What kind of time and training would a full time Neuroscience student need, to set booby traps that baffle the F.B.I.'s best bomb experts?"

[9eagle9]

The obvious (to some) is that owning a gun is not going to stave off the ptb. When the PTB stick fluoride in water, drop bombs, send SWAT teams and riot control mobs, a hand gun in the hands of the individual is not going to do any good. A army of individuals with guns like an informal or vigilante miltia is not going to do much when the ptb has masses of folks who have access to most extreme forms of death technology that can be had.

Not to say that people shouldn't have guns. If someone had a weapon and stood up to take that man out a lot of lives couldn't have been saved. I'm all for the right to bear arms but it is not the final solution. A gun does little against anti gun laws. One has nothing to do with the other. A gun is a poor means of defense when its laying in a drawer at home. A person who carries a gun but abides by gun laws is basically an asshole playing at being a warrior. If there is a metal detector or a gun check in any institution you are more than likely entering a construct of the ptb , and one may ask themselves why they are there in the first place. Courts, Airports, malls where their corporate lackies are collecting from us....ask yourself why you are there. There is always a means of detecting weaponry at the installations of the ptb, not to preserve others, but to preserve the ptb.

However.....Psychological war fare is not solved by a gun. It is very effective for the low level minions that a PTB generated culture and system has loosed on us whose programming is manifested in a bestial physical way. That can be dealt with on an individual basis.One can have enough balls to say "I'm going to be the buck stops here person". That takes self authority and self responsibility and a certain amount of self value. Why should I , a relatively decent person die, just to allow some creep to continue their miscreant behavior. If I take that person out how many other people can they victimize? If we continue to treat the bad guy as our brother what is that saying about us, personally. That we have very low self value. That we would preserve the life of one bad guy even at the risk of dozens of good guys.

So if the bad guy leaps out of the shadows at you, then a gun is perfectly acceptable tool to bring him down before he brings you down. That's physical defense, it has nothing to do with the psychological war fare that we are inundated with daily. It's a bi-product of psychological warfare not the actual war fare itself.

A gun is a tool. You can do the same thing with a sling shot, a knife, a hardball wrapped in a sock, I have driven off a mugger with a frozen chicken more effectively than if I had a gun. I can't have that back fire on me as there is no law stating that I can't carry a frozen chicken. The means to defend one's self to someone who is 'appears' to be more powerful or powerfully armed is psychological in nature. The kid from Home Alone 1 should have clued us in on that. I have prevented intruders coming into my home just by allowing them to hear the slide action of a weapon. The bathroom window slides up and open, lock and load, a brief pause, and the bathroom window comes down again because I've psychologically thwarted my would be intruder who perhaps understood if they came through that bathroom window the muzzle of shotgun would be staring him in the face. Alas they didn't understand the weapon wasn't loaded.

Know your enemy. No one does though.

Like a gun those weapons are not going to do any good towards the technology the ptb uses. It's not the guns or the arms that are important. It's not even an issue at the level where this is most critical. You have to have some intestinal fortitude to handle a weapon. People who do not want to have the means defend themselves regardless it if is a gun or frozen chicken have succumbed to the psychological war fare.

I personally have not locked my doors in years because one undertakes the psychological means of self defense by understanding this is psychological warfare I have protected myself, pre-emptively from intruders. Not creating those circumstances, if I am not guilty there is no need to defend myself. And the only intruders I have are those who I somehow managed to invite in myself but in that case I can dis-invite them.

It's not a matter of knowing HOW to defend always, its a matter of knowing its okay to do that. The core value in those who find defending themselves distasteful is they lack self value. So replace that lack of self value by syrupy sentiments of how saintly they are by not dirtying themselves with weaponry.

Carrying a gun doesn't make one a warrior anymore than not carrying one makes a person a saint.

A gun does very little towards the psychological war fare that people refuse to defend themselves against. That doesn't make them a warrior, or a saint, or a hero either.

Most of one's weaponry should be in their head.

[9eagle9]

This really isn't about WANTING to kill someone. Most people who are not stupid gun owners are not slavering at the mouth to kill someone one. Gun owners roughly fall into two categories. Premeditated and not premeditated. Gang activity is filled with pre-meditators. The common household with a hand gun for self defense is not premeditated 'wanting' to kill.

If one is attacked the mind doesn't even have time to kick into the emotional body to say "Oh gee, I WANT to kill that person". It the human instinct to survive that kicks in, reflex. We KNOW that our instincts to preserve ourselves are being eroded through psychological warfare stealing our SELF and attached self value.

The average person who wants to live in peace doesn't understand this isn't a peaceful world, peace is created by another means entirely. People don't even understand what peace is.

People who kill intruders on a psychological / energetic/ and etheric level understand this much better than those who are compromised on a psychological/energetic/and etheric level because that is where it starts.




Thats kinda like saying we should amputate your arm to fix a broken finger. The real issue here is not the guns themselves, but rather the set of conditions and circumstances that could propel someone to do something like this. Why is our society so sick??

I have heard this is why the ETs don't think we need advanced technology because we are not spiritually mature and advanced to use it in a positive way. We humans would rather wage war than peace. We discover nuclear energy and make bombs. I can only begin to imagine what we would do with plasma energy. Big weapons, great!!!!Well,the elite love to rage war or who ever controls them loves war. The average person IMHO just wants to live their life in peace. I don't want to kill anyone.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

The obvious (to some) is that owning a gun is not going to stave off the ptb. When the PTB stick fluoride in water, drop bombs, send SWAT teams and riot control mobs, a hand gun in the hands of the individual is not going to do any good. A army of individuals with guns like an informal or vigilante miltia is not going to do much when the ptb has masses of folks who have access to most extreme formsof death technology that can be had.

Not to say that people shouldn't have guns. If someone had a weapon and stood up to take that man out a lot of lives couldn't have been saved. I'm all for the right to bear arms but it is not the final solution. A gun does little against anti gun laws. One has nothing to do with the other. A gun is a poor means of defense when its laying in a drawer at home. A person who carries a gun but abides by gun laws is basically an asshole playing at being a warrior. If there is a metal detector or a gun check in any institution you are more than likely entering a construct of the ptb , and one may ask themselves why they are there in the first place. Courts, Airports, malls where their corporate lackies are collecting from us....ask yourself why you are there. There is always a means of detecting weaponry at the installations of the ptb, not to preserve others, but to preserve the ptb.

However.....Psychological war fare is not solved by a gun. It is very effective for the low level minions that a PTB generated culture and system has loosed on us whose programming is manifested in a bestial physical way. That can be dealt with on an individual basis.One can have enough balls to say "I'm going to be the buck stops here person". That takes self authority and self responsibility and a certain amount of self value. Why should I , a relatively decent person die, just to allow some creep to continue their miscreant behavior. If I take that person out how many other people can they victimize? If we continue to treat the bad guy as our brother what is that saying about us, personally. That we have very low self value. That we would preserve the life of one bad guy even at the risk of dozens of good guys.

So if the bad guy leaps out of the shadows at you, then a gun is perfectly acceptable tool to bring him down before he brings you down. That's physical defense, it has nothing to do with the psychological war fare that we are inundated with daily. It's a bi-product of psychological warfare not the actual war fare itself.

A gun is a tool. You can do the same thing with a sling shot, a knife, a hardball wrapped in a sock, I have driven off a mugger with a frozen chicken more effectively than if I had a gun. I can't have that back fire on me as there is no law stating that I can't carry a frozen chicken. The means to defend one's self to someone who is 'appears' to be more powerful or powerfully armed is psychological in nature. The kid from Home Alone 1 should have clued us in on that. I have prevented intruders coming into my home just by allowing them to hear the slide action of a weapon. The bathroom window slides up and open, lock and load, a brief pause, and the bathroom window comes down again because I've psychologically thwarted my would be intruder who perhaps understood if they came through that bathroom window the muzzle of shotgun would be staring him in the face. Alas they didn't understand the weapon wasn't loaded.

Know your enemy. No one does though.

Like a gun those weapons are not going to do any good towards the technology the ptb uses. It's not the guns or the arms that are important. It's not even an issue at the level where this is most critical. You have to have some intestinal fortitude to handle a weapon. People who do not want to have the means defend themselves regardless it if is a gun or frozen chicken have succumbed to the psychological war fare.

I personally have not locked my doors in years because one undertakes the psychological means of self defense by understanding this is psychological warfare I have protected myself, pre-emptively from intruders. Not creating those circumstances, if I am not guilty there is no need to defend myself. And the only intruders I have are those who I somehow managed to invite in myself but in that case I can dis-invite them.

It's not a matter of knowing HOW to defend always, its a matter of knowing its okay to do that. The core value in those who find defending themselves distasteful is they lack self value. So replace that lack of self value by syrupy sentiments of how saintly they are by not dirtying themselves with weaponry.

Carrying a gun doesn't make one a warrior anymore than not carrying one makes a person a saint.

A gun does very little towards the psychological war fare that people refuse to defend themselves against. That doesn't make them a warrior, or a saint, or a hero either.

Most of one's weaponry should be in their head.


Disagree. A culture that encourages gun ownership also encourages the authoritarian ptb to keep their distance. I believe that mass gun ownership in the U.S. is the exact reason why the ptb feel like they HAVE to resort to psychological warfare as opposed to knocking on our doors and sending us to fema camps. Gun ownership is a great deterrent but of course we have to stay vigilant in other ways as well.

I guess kicking down our doors would be a more accurate description of what they would do given the chance. If guns aren't going to do us any good then why is the ptb trying so hard to convince us we shouldn't have them?

[9eagle9]

No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?

[Peace4all]

Although I'm not a pro-gun person, what on earth do you think making stricter gun laws is going to do?
Certain drugs are illegal but they are pretty damn easy to get if you want them.
Laws are put in place to control people... not to save people.
Stricter gun laws isn't going to save anybody's life... those who wish to have one and use it for harm will still be able to do so.
Guns are so widely distributed and mass produced they aren't going away anytime soon unfortunately.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?


My point was, though, that it forced them use more covert means of control. We will not accept open tyranny but we will accept hidden tyranny given enough propaganda and brain washing which I agree, is a huge problem as well.

Guns are not an all encompassing solution to our struggle to fight off tyranny but they certainly help imo.

PS:
You bring up some great points 9eagle9. Thought provoking stuff.

[9eagle9]

Its going to add more psychological confusion. Guns don't have to go away, any more than the wheel does. I could drive over a person and kill them just as effectively with a vehicle. Should be ban cars?

150 years ago carrying a gun around drew no more attention to a person than carrying a wallet around. You could carry a air gun purchased at Home Depot with no registry involved that discharges with the same or more force as a 22. They are designed to shoot fasteners that don't look that far removed from bullets. Conversely I grew up with a man who hated guns but blew his left eye with a air gun designed to drive nails. Ask any carpenter if they are particularly fearful of feeling defenseless if they have a pneumatic nail driver in their hands. If a carpenter is very mindful of their tools I'm sure this has crossed their mind.

Pro gun and anti gun are psychological programs.

The ptb programming that burns both ends of the candle , they burn both ends of the gun issue pro gun and anti gun. A gun is a tool, you might as well say that one is anti fork or pro fork. A gun should have no more meaning to anyone than a screwdriver. Not having any gun laws isn't going to do anything either. More people aren't going to rush out and have a gun because there are no more gun laws no more than when people rushed out to smoke pot when marijuana was decriminalized in certain areas.

People are scared of guns because they think the gun is a problem. Guns are no more a problem than a fork or hammer is. Handle a gun and you will no longer be scared of it. Playing with guns is a diffrent matter. We aren't supposed to play with forks, knives and hammers either we are supposed to mindful of their purpose.



Although I'm not a pro-gun person, what on earth do you think making stricter gun laws is going to do?
Certain drugs are illegal but they are pretty damn easy to get if you want them.
Laws are put in place to control people... not to save people.
Stricter gun laws isn't going to save anybody's life... those who wish to have one and use it for harm will still be able to do so.
Guns are so widely distributed and mass produced they aren't going away anytime soon unfortunately.

[9eagle9]

They are already using more covert means of control. It's gotten so covert its obvious and overt now. Once you know the means of control, its no longer covert.




No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?


My point was, though, that it forced them use more covert means of control. We will not accept open tyranny but we will accept hidden tyranny given enough propaganda and brain washing which I agree, is a huge problem as well.

Guns are not an all encompassing solution to our struggle to fight off tyranny but they certainly help imo.

PS:
You bring up some great points 9eagle9. Thought provoking stuff.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

They are already using more covert means of control. It's gotten so covert its obvious and overt now. Once you know the means of control, its no longer covert.




No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?


My point was, though, that it forced them use more covert means of control. We will not accept open tyranny but we will accept hidden tyranny given enough propaganda and brain washing which I agree, is a huge problem as well.

Guns are not an all encompassing solution to our struggle to fight off tyranny but they certainly help imo.

PS:
You bring up some great points 9eagle9. Thought provoking stuff.

It had to be gradual though. Imo if we didn't have the second amendment we'd be living in an open and in your face fourth reich right now as I type this. I guess one could argue that that might be better because at least people would know what they are facing and perhaps rise up... I don't know. One thing I do know is that the ptb hate gun owners and want to take away their rights. If gun owners are considered by the ptb to be enemies of their agenda then my position is: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Cartomancer]

Is it possible the Dark Knight shootings were inspired by a mural at the Denver Airport? I started a thread about how two of the murals in the Denver Airport seem to depict the Columbine shootings and the most recent Batman tradgedy:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47665-Occult-Assasinastions-and-Mass-Murder-Denver-murals-depict-two-mass-murders&p=525637#post525637

[Rocky_Shorz]

found the other thread...

yuri van geest received a message about a false flag attack on Germany and brought it to public attention...

after looking deeper I found that message was sent to the wrong person...

this is who it was meant for...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGgQ9pHf77g

looking for a connection to the institute now...

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.neurosky.com/Images/LocalizedImage?BannerID=101&Culture=
http://www.neurosky.com/Images/LocalizedImage?BannerID=105&Culture=
http://www.neurosky.com/Images/LocalizedImage?BannerID=107&Culture=

what, me worried?

recording brainwave frequencies is like a fingerprint...

once recorded they can pull it up at any time...

wear it while watching TV or possibly playing Video Games to help you relax...

so our media companies can teach you what we want you to know, or forget...

[Kano]

A little background info on the Holmes family...interesting.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/rss/ci_21124710?source=rss

[Cartomancer]

Wow. That is really some scary technology. It looks like they want to start using this tech on video games. Then we'll have all online video gamers with something hooked up to the nervous system of all the players. This is like a plot from a very bad movie. I wonder if they can copy the neurological makeup of someone if they are hooked up to one of these things?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Found it...


Charles Huang, Founder Guitar Hero endorsed the product...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CNIFEBYwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nipa.kr%2FdownloadManager.it%3Ftype%3Dboard%26bno%3D80%26cno%3D360%26ano%3D6565&ei=TE4MUJm-NMn22AWGv8ntDw&usg=AFQjCNH1IpPz8sm3t8cnZu4-JgRICloIaA

[Rocky_Shorz]

Wow. That is really some scary technology. It looks like they want to start using this tech on video games. Then we'll have all online video gamers with something hooked up to the nervous system of all the players. This is like a plot from a very bad movie. I wonder if they can copy the neurological makeup of someone if they are hooked up to one of these things?

they are doing advanced research far beyond what they are releasing to the public, and most gamers are online now, so, yes...

not just copy, direct them to make them faster at a task...

this guy played Guitar Hero for weeks with just a few hours of breaks each night...

did they find this unit in his home?

look through pictures if there are any inside his apartment by the game council, we'll know the answer...

was there a black knight Beta out for this device?

[Cartomancer]

Its too bad they set off explosive devices inside the apartment............................................

[shadowstalker]

Its too bad they set off explosive devices inside the apartment............................................
Ya now theres no real proof of what was really in there.. hmmm coincidence I don't think so...

[9eagle9]

Its not about taking people's guns away, its about taking away one's self authority and ability to defend themselves at a psychological level. They want to make you feel vulnerable coming and going. For the anti gun people they feel less vulnerable with more laws, with the pro gun people they feel more vulnerable with more anti gun laws....they are playing with people's heads equally it doesn't matter how one views guns because its not the gun that is important.

They've done this in all sorts of ways. "We'll take away your kids, your jobs, your freedoms.

Does it really matter if OUR government takes away our freedom or some arsehole on the other side of the pond does it.

Realistically speaking.... Did it help for X amount of Americans to have a gun in their home when 9/11 occurred. Did the gun help one to defend ourselves from that? Did a gun help make you feel as if you could defend yourself against a jet liner flying into your home, or a missile launched from whereever?

A person adept at using a cross bow isn't really care if their gun is taken away, nor someone adept with a sling shot. These same people also know that their cross bow and sling isn't going to be of much help if a bomb is dropped on their head or they are chemtrailed or someone puts something in the water supply. The ptb was winning the psychological war fare came long before guns ever came along.

In the end it does not serve nor affect them to take guns away or they would have done it by now. The ptb has been threatening to take reproductive rights away for over 40 years and they haven't done it--OVERTLY. Covertly yes they have. Way before you and I were ever born. But they'll keep threatening to keep everyone edge anti gun or pro gun.

The simple matter is no matter how many gun laws they come up with ...don't give up your gun. If one is truly able to defend themselves would one care what sorts of laws the enemy came up with to prevent you from defending yourself?




They are already using more covert means of control. It's gotten so covert its obvious and overt now. Once you know the means of control, its no longer covert.




No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?


My point was, though, that it forced them use more covert means of control. We will not accept open tyranny but we will accept hidden tyranny given enough propaganda and brain washing which I agree, is a huge problem as well.

Guns are not an all encompassing solution to our struggle to fight off tyranny but they certainly help imo.

PS:
You bring up some great points 9eagle9. Thought provoking stuff.

It had to be gradual though. Imo if we didn't have the second amendment we'd be living in an open and in your face fourth reich right now as I type this. I guess one could argue that that might be better because at least people would know what they are facing and perhaps rise up... I don't know. One thing I do know is that the ptb hate gun owners and want to take away their rights. If gun owners are considered by the ptb to be enemies of their agenda then my position is: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Its not about taking people's guns away, its about taking away one's self authority and ability to defend themselves at a psychological level. They want to make you feel vulnerable coming and going. For the anti gun people they feel less vulnerable with more laws, with the pro gun people they feel more vulnerable with more anti gun laws....they are playing with people's heads equally it doesn't matter how one views guns because its not the gun that is important.

They've done this in all sorts of ways. "We'll take away your kids, your jobs, your freedoms.

Does it really matter if OUR government takes away our freedom or some arsehole on the other side of the pond does it.

Realistically speaking.... Did it help for X amount of Americans to have a gun in their home when 9/11 occurred. Did the gun help one to defend ourselves from that? Did a gun help make you feel as if you could defend yourself against a jet liner flying into your home, or a missile launched from whereever?

A person adept at using a cross bow isn't really care if their gun is taken away, nor someone adept with a sling shot. These same people also know that their cross bow and sling isn't going to be of much help if a bomb is dropped on their head or they are chemtrailed or someone puts something in the water supply. The ptb was winning the psychological war fare came long before guns ever came along.

In the end it does not serve nor affect them to take guns away or they would have done it by now. The ptb has been threatening to take reproductive rights away for over 40 years and they haven't done it--OVERTLY. Covertly yes they have. Way before you and I were ever born. But they'll keep threatening to keep everyone edge anti gun or pro gun.

The simple matter is no matter how many gun laws they come up with ...don't give up your gun. If one is truly able to defend themselves would one care what sorts of laws the enemy came up with to prevent you from defending yourself?




They are already using more covert means of control. It's gotten so covert its obvious and overt now. Once you know the means of control, its no longer covert.




No one has ever been directly held up by the Rockefellers, the Queen of England, the Rothchilds, they have not kept their distance in spite of how many guns one may own. I have all sorts of weapons and the ptb managed to get their fingers in my pie anyway until I learned how to keep their influence out of my head. My trigger finger has nothing to do with it. I'm not concerned about the Queen of England imposing on me. I'm concerned about the sheep who think they are wolves because of ptb influence.

150 years ago we lived in America with nearly owning a gun or some sort of weapon. Pistols, a rifle for hunting. Did it keep the ptb away?

No.

The bi products of the ptb induced authoritative culture is what the gun is dealing with. The street level manifestations of ptb influence. And that's fine, I think everyone should be armed if they can handle something like that but not everyone has the self authority to be armed. An idiot , clueless ignorant person with a gun does not have the self management skills to carry and they are as bad as the ptb themselves. The same as our ignorant light workers who wouldn't carry a gun spread the infectious vectors of the ptb via psychological programming.

A person with a gun but doesn't have the balls to carry is deluding themselves. Why the **** does anyone want to conceal a weapon and think it's a deterrent?

My friend was pulled over by the police who asked him Why do you have gun on the seat of your car ?

My friend replied I can't hold it and drive at the same time.

The police asked again, Why do you have a gun on your seat.

And my friend replied why do you have one strapped to your hip? Certainly you have nothing to hide do you, officer.

The officer said, I'm perfectly legal and registered to carry this gun.

And my friend said, So am I and I'm carrying it the same way you are, right out in the open.

Sir do you have a gun on the seat of your car. My friend stared at the gun, and stared at the cop. Why make an admission of guilt when its really obvious ther'es a gun on the seat. They had to let him go. It wasn't a concealed weapon, he had purchased it legally and he made no admissions of guilt.

Gun laws are the same complex morass of psychological mind **** that the fiat money system is. They want you to conceal your weapons, it screams guilt even if you are completely legal. If everyone was given free rein to carry a weapon, legally, discharged (no pun intended) all these gun laws with the only requirement that we keep them concealed.....we'd still be playing right into their psychological mind ****.



What is the point of having a gun when everyplace is gun free zone? What is the point of the gun if you're not take the gun into the gun free zone. There is no gun free zone. That's just programming. Carrying a gun in spite of the gun free zones is sending a message, not just simply owning the gun.

What if someone's body was a lethal weapon and there are some who are ...what do you do. Make a zone free of people with lethal bodies?


When people have no SELF authority over their own heads what is going to result ? the ptb will take authority. The take over of power is an illusion that no gun is going to blast away.

I could walk into the local drugstore and buy a pack of gum with a pistol strapped to my hip and no one would think twice about it....why? Because I'm not hiding it.

My mother drove onto an airforce base, with a Ranger Knife in plain site in her vehicle. They looked right at the knife and waved her on. Who was the authority here. The ptb guards at the gate or my 70 year old mother whose never held a gun in her life?


My point was, though, that it forced them use more covert means of control. We will not accept open tyranny but we will accept hidden tyranny given enough propaganda and brain washing which I agree, is a huge problem as well.

Guns are not an all encompassing solution to our struggle to fight off tyranny but they certainly help imo.

PS:
You bring up some great points 9eagle9. Thought provoking stuff.

It had to be gradual though. Imo if we didn't have the second amendment we'd be living in an open and in your face fourth reich right now as I type this. I guess one could argue that that might be better because at least people would know what they are facing and perhaps rise up... I don't know. One thing I do know is that the ptb hate gun owners and want to take away their rights. If gun owners are considered by the ptb to be enemies of their agenda then my position is: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.



You're going over things that I already understand and agree with. The gun is a tool but it is also a symbol of power and individual liberty. One that we should not give up until the bad guys (the cabal) are no longer a threat to humanity.

Of course guns will not prevent false flag terror. That is obvious. But that is a backwards way of looking at the problem. Imo the fact that we have the right to bare arms is one of the reasons the ptb are motivated to carry out false flag terrorist attacks. One of the goals of false flag terror is to scare us into begging for someone to protect us and take our liberties away including the right to bare arms.

Would a gun have helped you if you were one of the victims on 9/11? No. Would a gun have helped you if you were one of the victims of the Denver theatre shooting? Probably. At least you would have had a fighting chance.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Holmes was a member of OWS Black Block. There were photos taken of him during the "protests" This smells, I believe this was a false flag to push the small arms treaty.

a protester from OWS?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hyK4YYEHI

interesting, the Philip Anshutz Neuroscience, where he went to school...

when I searched this was at the top

link (http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/philip-anschutz/)

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/mjryan1.gif?w=359&h=168


Philip Anschutz, of Anschutz Corporation

in Bed with Koch...

fracking, media and funding conservatives...

the more I look the scarier this gets...

very interesting, this needs a bit more research me thinks.....


I ran the cs chamber for three years in the army all future cadets from vmi to west point came to the base and had to go through the chamber. It instantly burns the skin, blinds the eyes and causes runny nose and just plain burns every cell in your body , causes panic and makes you lose your sense of direction and makes you run . 3,000 cadets directly exposed and only one female cadet was completely un-affected. she gave her name rank and social and never showed one sign on the affects, I thought she was a dang alien or a robot. grown men reduced to two year olds in three seconds , this lady was iron and rock solid under pressure.... someone throws cs in a closed room , you will panic and run into walls.... it's a nasty chemical...

Yeah, I'm one of the sensitive ones; when my buddy stood there unfazed (we were doing ballistic streams of OC in the eyes, then running an course & defending ourselves from "detainees")

he's the only one I've ever seen & I was very envious (as I squinted at him through swollen eyes)

hearing the FBI sent a memo 2 months ago that a theater shooting was coming, makes me wonder how they didn't single this shooter out and have him under surveillance...

remember how Charles was looking for Green eyes, because they were easier to mentally manipulate...

the shooter had bright green eyes...

bumping to keep handy

interesting addition...


The principle goal of developing our technology was to make a cost effective solution that expands the scope of people who can benefit from access to BCI. For experiments that only require a single EEG channel, research can be conducted on a larger scale at a much lower cost. Imagine collecting data from multiple subjects at once, in many different locations—possibly even without supervision(or knowledge of the subject). Furthermore, the quality of the data collected from ThinkGear enabled technology has been demonstrated to be comparable, or even better than more expensive EEG devices, with respect to amplification, filtering, and frequency responses.

The Future of Neuroscience
NeuroSky envisions a future limited only by the power of the human mind. Our technology is already being used for R&D in a number of the world’s most venerated intuitions(not a type-o) and universities. Collaboration with our current academic partners is already proving that the integration of our Brain-Computer Interface technology can bring about monumental advancements in a broad number of scientific and industrial fields...

http://company.neurosky.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/research-partner-web-layout.gif

link (http://company.neurosky.com/university/)

http://seriousgamesinstitute.co.uk/

UK?

who in the world in UK would want to control the world...

there aren't any Republicans there... ;)

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

[/QUOTE] The simple matter is no matter how many gun laws they come up with ...don't give up your gun. If one is truly able to defend themselves would one care what sorts of laws the enemy came up with to prevent you from defending yourself? [/QUOTE]

I understand the point you are trying to make but I don't believe this line of thinking takes into account the complexities of the situation. I would rather peacefully prevent authorities from wanting take our second amendment right away than have an armed confrontation with government bureaucrats. The last thing I want is violence.

[Rocky_Shorz]

this isn't about Gun Control, it is about taking someone from Occupy Wall street, and through Mind control turning him into a Monster...

this was an experiment, it will change nothing in regards to gun control...

300 million guns in America are going no where...

but who they are pointing at is getting some very nervous...

[Black Panther]

Video of Dutchsince about an FBI theater attack warning being removed.
It was removed soon after the attacks.

http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/252061.html

[Ellisa]

This situation is getting ever more complex and it may show the motivation, of this man to do this terrible thing. There has to have been a reason. Perhaps he had lost the ability to recognise the line between the games he was playing and the life he was living, especially if he had access to ways to make the game more alive to him. Perhaps it would then be acceptable to him to turn his imagined situation into a real one. It may have appeared to him as a totally logical thing to do. After all-- why had he built up a huge stockpile of weapons? Most of us do not see this sort of hoarding as something we have to do whether we are in favour of gun control or not .

[Rocky_Shorz]

could the $20,000 have been from participating in a study group? the sugar pills were regular brain monitoring devices...

He was given the real one...


could the gel they recommend for better contact, actually be nano technology that absorbs into the skin and continues after the headset is removed?


so many questions...

[modwiz]

This situation is getting ever more complex and it may show the motivation, of this man to do this terrible thing. There has to have been a reason. Perhaps he had lost the ability to recognise the line between the games he was playing and the life he was living, especially if he had access to ways to make the game more alive to him. Perhaps it would then be acceptable to him to turn his imagined situation into a real one. It may have appeared to him as a totally logical thing to do. After all-- why had he built up a huge stockpile of weapons? Most of us do not see this sort of hoarding as something we have to do whether we are in favour of gun control or not .

This guy is a much a lone assassin as the JFK coup was. This was an operation by some governments' agency.

Why?

Cui bono? Who benefits? Whoever wants to get people thinking gun control is a good idea that society would benefit from. That any "civilized' people would really want. This is so obvious.

Some people must think Moby Dick is a venereal disease.

[Rocky_Shorz]

why did Cheney come to mind...


are Lawyers trying to take away guns so it's safer to hang around him? ;)

[humanalien]

Obama is going to speak about the denver shooting again tonight
at 7:30 EST. Lets see if he talks about getting rid of guns.

[modwiz]

Obama is going to speak about the denver shooting again tonight
at 7:30 EST. Lets see if he talks about getting rid of guns.

We'll know he's lying as soon as his lips start moving. Just like all the other criminals in DC. Some of us have made the intelligent choice of not having TV, or at least not watching it. Paying a cable bill is supporting your programmer and suppressor. I fail to see the bright side of that. As in "how bright is that?"

[eni-al]

When a controlled explosion is performed, its just attempt disable the explosive device precisely without actually causing the device to go off, a small charge, still a bit of a punch to ensure the connections are severed, but it should leave most of everything else around it in a good condition to examine.
Now its up to what the forensics report, however that turns out.

[modwiz]

why did Cheney come to mind...


are Lawyers trying to take away guns so it's safer to hang around him? ;)

That's riDickulous. :P

[Rocky_Shorz]

When a controlled explosion is performed, its just attempt disable the explosive device precisely without actually causing the device to go off, a small charge, still a bit of a punch to ensure the connections are severed, but it should leave most of everything else around it in a good condition to examine.
Now its up to what the forensics report, however that turns out.

at a glance it is a headset, do you think it would be possible for them to recognize any difference?

law enforcement chuckle at what we discuss here, but maybe one will stumble across this and look for evidence...

[gripreaper]

So AI and mind control has gotten so sophisticated, that online gaming is vetting, through interactive programming, those candidates whose minds can be controlled?

That's a pretty scary thought, but I wouldn't put it past the bastards who run the world.

[9eagle9]

We have violence. Gun or no gun we will have violence because we have never not had violence.. The complexities of the situation were deliberately made that way as I noted earlier.



The simple matter is no matter how many gun laws they come up with ...don't give up your gun. If one is truly able to defend themselves would one care what sorts of laws the enemy came up with to prevent you from defending yourself? [/QUOTE]

I understand the point you are trying to make but I don't believe this line of thinking takes into account the complexities of the situation. I would rather peacefully prevent authorities from wanting take our second amendment right away than have an armed confrontation with government bureaucrats. The last thing I want is violence.[/QUOTE]

[modwiz]

We have violence. Gun or no gun we will have violence because we have never not had violence.. The complexities of the situation were deliberately made that way as I noted earlier.



The simple matter is no matter how many gun laws they come up with ...don't give up your gun. If one is truly able to defend themselves would one care what sorts of laws the enemy came up with to prevent you from defending yourself?

I understand the point you are trying to make but I don't believe this line of thinking takes into account the complexities of the situation. I would rather peacefully prevent authorities from wanting take our second amendment right away than have an armed confrontation with government bureaucrats. The last thing I want is violence.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

You need a quoting tutorial. It's was so bad even my post came out messed up. I never posted the red parts. Ye gods, what a mess.

[9eagle9]

Touch my post and I'll blow your head off.

[ghostrider]

lets see, I'll sneak into the theater, in disquise, withe smoke/cs bombs, shoot all I can in the dark and when the police arrive I'll magically regain my sense of right and wrong, surrender and tell them I snapped and went crazy . hmmmm ?? Maybe MK-Ultra is alive and working well ...How many students know how to booby trap their home for FBI/CIA raids ??

[Rocky_Shorz]

duck everyone granny Clampet is packing...

if I was Obama and wanted congress to have a battle worth fighting instead of healthcare, knowing they will go against anything he says why not say time to take away guns...

that should keep them spinning through the election...

[jagman]

If they can disarm us and thats a big if!!! They will begin re-educating the populus.If you are deemed unfit for re-education you will be terminated. George W Bush ordered all the Japanese internment camps be refurbished during his last year in office. Fema camps dont
sound so conspiratorial anymore.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well imagine if every home had a child with a NeuroSky unit...

right as the trucks pull into the streets, the kids fall into a trance and carry all the guns out to the trucks...

as I said gun control isn't what I'm worried about right now...

assault rifles, have no purpose in hunting, just killing...

wouldn't be hard to convince me they aren't needed except for militias...

[KEmpathK]

well imagine if every home had a child with a NeuroSky unit...

right as the trucks pull into the streets, the kids fall into a trance and carry all the guns out to the trucks...

as I said gun control isn't what I'm worried about right now...

assault rifles, have no purpose in hunting, just killing...

wouldn't be hard to convince me they aren't needed except for militias...


Well bayonets and scimitars aren't really needed, either but I wouldn't take away the right of someone else to own one. My husband and I regularly shoot his AR-15. We don't use it for killing. And as you said, they are not used for hunting. We just enjoy shooting the gun. It is fun to shoot. I like to shoot it. Neither of us are militia members, just gun enthusiasts and certainly we have every right as law abiding citizens to own one and shoot it. We're not hurting anyone or breaking any laws. :)

[taurad]

A couple of things:

- first off, i don't have cable, only over-the-air, i hardly watch any mainstream...

to folks here that are well-informed, what major thing is going on this week (anything senate might pass) that this mass shooting might have come in handy??!!!


- second, i ask everyone caught in the gun control debate to drop it right now...

let this thread be solely informative about this (other) mass shooting only...

simple reasons for this are several...

my 2 cents on it are: i have lived half my life in a gun--loving--yearning, poor, commie (latest but not only) dictatorial society...a society so obsessed, that the birth of a daughter was a grave desperation for the father because of no rifle - inheritance...

i've lived the other half of my life in the west...

IT IS A CULTURAL THING and/but NOT ONLY...

MORE THAN THAT, IT'S A PERSONAL APPROACH...

THE CORE OF IT IS THE PARTICULAR MOOD OF THE INDIVIDUAL @ a PARTICULAR MOMENT...

i don't understand why so many of brilliant members here that i respect and revere, are simplifying the matter and tossing aside important variables...


i don't own a gun...i don't plan owing a gun...i don't need a gun...why? 100% personal decision @ THE MOMENT OF THIS POST!!!!

i had been offered plenty of weapons in the past, powerful ones, for free...

never owned one

yet, i don't disrespect weapons

yet, these are excellent human inventions, probably better than "Noble-prized" ordinary vaccines!!!!

yet, many weapon owners, die murder-free...

yet, many weaponless ppl, will find a way kill/murder with/or without a weapon they don't own...

i'm a pacifist, yet, there's not a day i don't face IDIOCRACY in full force, and say to myself: i wish i had a gun for the bastard, that killed a 9-years old boy, who spotted the burglar, trying to steal a bird cage from the boy's house!!!

as humans, we've killed ppl with bare knuckles, kneepads, head-butt'em, sticks, spear, stones and of course gun-powder...

and of course, if the weapon of choice isn't around, there's is a good possibility, the event won't happen at all or @ that moment in time...

no one can predict the outcome...


a friendly advice:

everybody is equally right and wrong about their counter-argument...do not waste any more valuable time and energy on the topic

cheers all

[Ellisa]

This will be the last post I will make on this topic.

As you can imagine our newspapers have some discussions on this latest tragedy, including one reporting that a person had described it as something to be regarded as an event on a parallel to natural disaster like flooding or storms- that is events that are unpredictable and inevitable. The author pointed out that we who do not live in the US will never understand the point of view on gun ownership of those who do. I now realise that reading the various posts here-
modwiz--( particularly) And KEmpathK which shocked me, that I totally agree with the author I mentioned before. I read and search the Internet because I like to be challenged in my beliefs. I often debate with people who have different ideas and find it exhilarating. I find a lot of what is posted here about guns really terrifying, and even worse is the way so many posters find it so normal, and desirable to have large quantities of weapons available in the local shopping centre for anyone to buy and stockpile as they plan for their moment in the spotlight.

This just is not happening elsewhere to anything like the same degree. I don't understand it, and so I am going to quit trying to. It's just too incomprehensible.

[KEmpathK]

This forum and this thread caught my eye in particular because of the discussions about Holmes being possible MK Ultra. 14 years ago when I went online and suggested McVeigh was MK Ultra I received mocking jeers and downright ridicule for my theories. Very, very few people were at that time discussing the shadow government, secret societies, the occult, mind control. Now it seems it is all the rage. I am glad for this, though, because it gives me hope that more people world wide are becoming more and more awake...even if these concepts frighten them. My intuition told me immediately there is more to this case than meets the eye and most definitely more than we are being told by the great disseminators of information.

I can draw several parallels between Holmes and McVeigh, the most important of which is the ease with which both surrendered...like meek lambs. Both were armed and could have easily resisted. Both are young, white, seemingly withdrawn and on the fringes of society and very intelligent. The adult friend finder account, so soon before the massacre, is also interesting to me. Consider that in the days before the OKC bombing McVeigh was reported to have been trolling strip clubs and looking for sexual liaisons. The media is making quite an ordeal over Holmes's mother just as the did Mickey McVeigh. And yet another parallel to my mind is the cooperation Holmes demonstrated right off the bat, with the admission of the apartment being booby trapped. Recall that in the early hours after the OKC bombing the first responding FBI and BATF officials who were most likely not advised to relay "all" to the public were informing members of the media that they were dealing with "highly sophisticated devices". We are hearing this same phrase in this case as well. Eventually we were told that McVeigh used cow poop and diesel fuel but again, the first accounts defaced that lie. My hunch is something similar will happen here and we will eventually be told those devices in Holmes's apartment were nothing more than Mountain Dew and Mentos. But back to Holmes's initial perplexing cooperation. Understand that a witness to the OKC bombing is on record as saying she actually SAW McVeigh on the east ( I believe) side of the Murrah and he seemed disoriented, confused and very concerned and asked her what had happened. She explained to him a bomb had gone off and he asked her, "was anyone hurt?" and when she told him most likely many people he seemed distressed and very confused. It is too soon to make an assumption that Holmes's initial cooperation was born of confusion but it will be interesting to see if there are any statements made by officer's or witnesses at the scene that Holmes was confused or disoriented. Time will tell. There are other connections I have made in my mind but these are just to name a few and I am sure more will come to me later...this case does appear like an onion with many complex layers, just as the OKC bombing case was and still is.

Another thing that really stands out to me is the reports that Holmes was sitting in the front of the theater and got a phone call and immediately got up, left through the emergency exit and returned a short time later to open fire. This is CLASSIC MK Ultra mind control. The phone call no doubt relayed one word or a short phrase that triggered the massacre. Add to this the questions about how he purchased all of the equipment. This guy didn't just settle in Aurora 2 weeks ago and plan this in that short of time span. This took months. He chose Aurora deliberately or was sent there deliberately. Then add on top of this all of the other disturbing events occurring and that have occurred in Colorado in recent history...I have long suspected that deep within the Colorado legal system or political system are very powerful players who help do damage control after these events and steer the investigations in the direction they "need" to go. You've got NORAD, the creepy airport, the fires, the mass killings, the alien sightings, the cult activity...Colorado is knee deep for sure. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Pardon the pun.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me on board. Sorry for the ramblings. My brain has been spinning since I woke up to this Friday morning and with the wide range of emotions I get pummeled with if I allow it or do not block it has been draining. It is very difficult for me to listen to 911 calls, radio communications and or witness accounts but I listen (and feel deeply the fear and sadness and hysteria and trauma) because I believe this case is important. This case is a catalyst and whether it is the elite that caused this or the elite that will not let this tragedy go to waste the implications will be far and wide and we all need to be alert and vigilant and seek the truth. I may not be able to explain my hunches or prove them or validate them, but I am trying really hard to understand them and parse them and make sure they are leading me in the right direction at all times. God bless and have a great night everyone. <3

[jackovesk]

First Video of Alleged Killer Released

Jul 22, 2012 by ABCNews

ABC News has obtained exclusive video of the suspect speaking at a science camp.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K47DpqTZoBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K47DpqTZoBw

[risveglio]

Two Aurora Shootings. - For some reason we are not hearing about the one from a few months ago.

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12175-two-aurora-shootings-one-widely-known-the-other-ignored

[jackovesk]

Eyewitness: Second Shooter In ‘Batman’ Massacre

July 22, 2012

“From what we saw he wasn’t alone – he had someone with him. Because the second can of tear gas didn’t come from his side.”

“We can only assume that someone got him in because what he was wearing seemed thick.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPqz4bQqJY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPqz4bQqJY&feature=player_embedded

Another Witness: Someone Let Gunman Inside Colorado Movie Theater

CNN
July 22, 2012

AURORA, CO — A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman.


“As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhev_9vmh7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhev_9vmh7I

For more on this story, click here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-movie-shooting-james-holmes/story?id=16829552
http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/252995/396/Witness-Someone-let-gunman-inside-Colorado-movie-theater-

[jagman]

This situation is getting ever more complex and it may show the motivation, of this man to do this terrible thing. There has to have been a reason. Perhaps he had lost the ability to recognise the line between the games he was playing and the life he was living, especially if he had access to ways to make the game more alive to him. Perhaps it would then be acceptable to him to turn his imagined situation into a real one. It may have appeared to him as a totally logical thing to do. After all-- why had he built up a huge stockpile of weapons? Most of us do not see this sort of hoarding as something we have to do whether we are in favour of gun control or not .

This guy is a much a lone assassin as the JFK coup was. This was an operation by some governments' agency.

Why?

Cui bono? Who benefits? Whoever wants to get people thinking gun control is a good idea that society would benefit from. That any "civilized' people would really want. This is so obvious.

Some people must think Moby Dick is a venereal disease.


Thanks Modwiz, Now everytime I think of Herman Melville classic I will also think V.D

[SilentFeathers]

Could it be that this was nothing more than just a sick psychopath who went beyond the point of no return on his own wanting to be "somebody" other than a loser? ....thus becoming nothing but a bigger loser than he was to begin with.

There's psycho's all over the place who do sick crap like this without some top secret program causing them to be this way.

It's possible this sicko was brainwashed in to doing this.....but then again he may just simply be a sick psychopath who went on some sick power control trip all by himself.....

Everything that happens always isn't some major conspiracy all the time.....but everything that happens always can be made in to one.....

[modwiz]

Could it be that this was nothing more than just a sick psychopath who went beyond the point of no return on his own wanting to be "somebody" other than a loser? ....thus becoming nothing but a bigger loser than he was to begin with.

There's psycho's all over the place who do sick crap like this without some top secret program causing them to be this way.

It's possible this sicko was brainwashed in to doing this.....but then again he may just simply be a sick psychopath who went on some sick power control trip all by himself.....

Everything that happens always isn't some major conspiracy all the time.....but everything that happens always can be made in to one.....

Are you sure Drake isn't somehow responsible?? :rolleyes:

This incident has the peculiar, and now familiar stink, of the deadly clowns who count on morons, rabbits (sheep don't eat their own sh1t) and contrarians to conclude that this is a lone gunman with extraordinary skill and luck. As well as two pairs of arms and hands.

And then, I could be one of those morons, rabbits or conspiracy theorists. Ya gotta place your bets as ya see fit.

Who hoo hoo knows?

[KEmpathK]

Anything is possible. Please don't assume that I or anyone else immediately jumps to a conspiracy when these incidences occur. For my part I absolutely do not do this. There is no automatic, knee jerk leap. There usually is a systematic obervance of cues and red flags that once added up become impossible to ignore. Add to that your own sense of intuition, and listen to it and respect it, and suddenly truth becomes stranger than fiction. To ignore the cues and subtle hints can be seen as either obtusity or still being asleep. Once you are awake to these things it is hard to close your eyes and mind.

[Hervé]

If the following is proven to have any factual reality... it's sick!



Do the Aurora Police Radio Dispatches Indicate That the Batman Theater Shooting Was a Staged Event?

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/batmanshootingstaged22jul12.shtml
July 22, 2012
Do the Aurora Police Radio Dispatches Indicate That the Batman Theater Shooting Was a Staged Event? (July 22, 2012) (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/batmanshootingstaged22jul12.shtml)
Larry from Germany sent me an e-mail today and urged me to look at Jim Stone's web site which has audio recordings posted there that indicates that the entire Batman movie theater slaughter in Colorado may not have actually happened as reported in the news, but rather was a staged spectacle involving the police. Jim got his info from Ed Chiarini's wellaware1.com web site. Ed presented very convincing evidence a few years ago that the Gabrielle Giffords shooting in Arizona was also staged and that Giffords herself was never actually shot, but rather was part of a hoax in which Judge Roll and others were killed. I can't go along with everything that Ed claims on his web site, but a lot of his info is compelling and convincing. Naturally, I had assumed that the shooter was a victim of mind control programming, but the staging angle, considering the audio evidence presented here, is more than possible. It certainly fits the pattern of cooperation seen beween the covert agents involved and local law enforcement in staging the scene, as was so clearly seen in the Columbine shooting. ...Ken Adachi



THIS ARTICLE caused an ENORMOUS number of attacks against this site

http://jimstonefreelance.com/


I did not realize it, but the following Bat man article caused numerous DDOS attacks against this site, plus the thread that had this in the forum is gone, plus hundreds of internal messages within the forum also vanished because of the following article. THIS MEANS IT REALLY TWEAKED SOMEONE, ARCHIVE, POST, AND RE POST IT EVERYWHERE! I pulled it off the sister site and re-posted it here after I confirmed this.

Police radio communications CONFIRM - Bat Man shooting STAGED, PHONY, A DRILL.


I don't have time to go through all of these, they are long. However, In THE FIRST intercepted police radio tape, (which is silent for the first 11 minutes, indicating nothing was being said for those 11 minutes) at minute 11 the police units involved in the drill check in, and say all are present. Then, right around 13 minutes it is discussed where one of the centers will be. Then, starting at minute 14, they are discussing where they will be at the Aurora mall for the start of the drill at the Aurora theater.


THE FIRST 11 MINUTES OF THIS ARE SILENT. DO NOT LET THAT FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THE MP3 IS EMPTY. AUDIO STARTS AROUND MINUTE 11. (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200148-981710-12044%20first%20mention.mp3)


I then skipped to the last of these, where they are talking about setting up the press, where to put the ambulances, where to put the "victims" families, etc for their photo ops. This MP3 has the police communications in the left speaker, overlapped with the Fire department communications in the right speaker It's OBVIOUS what is going on here. (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200211-662372-43%20third.mp3)


Keep in mind, that because this is a drill, bodies and injured WILL be mentioned and played as real, but it's ALL FAKE as confirmed by recording 1, and the overall attitude in this MP3, where they are talking about WHERE TO PUT THE PRESS AND FAMILIES AND AMBULANCES FOR PHOTOS!


My original suspicions were confirmed by these tapes. The bat man shooting NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL! These MP3's were posted by Wellaware1.com, (http://www.wellaware1.com/) which is begging people to download these and re-post them elsewhere so they do not get shut down. So these are coming off my servers now. I suggest you download them from here to distribute the server load, (I have headroom to spare right now) but if there are any problems they might still be at the source. And I thank Wellaware1.com for sticking their necks out to spread the truth. Here are ALL files from Aurora. The first and last are linked above (as well as down here), those are the ones I took a peek at.


I took more of a look at these than I planned to. It is mega obvious the drill was not even of primary importance to the police department, it's just a side thing.


1. Setting up the drill (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200148-981710-12044%20first%20mention.mp3)
2. The drill in progress (boring police tape with other stuff mixed in) (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200218-872088-12044second%20broadcast.mp3)
3. The drill in progress (boring police tape with other stuff mixed in) (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200111-76742-43%20-%2012-39%20first%20report.mp3)
4. The drill in progress (boring police tape with other stuff mixed in) (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200318-108339-12044%20fourth.mp3)
5. The drill in progress (boring, supposedly the shooter is in this one) (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200348-101098-12044Fifth%201%20at%20gunpoint.mp3)
6. The drill in progress (boring, a second bomb is supposedly in this one) (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200248-250677-12044secondary%20device.mp3)
7. Where should stuff go for the photo ops? (http://www.destroythedarkness.com/201207200211-662372-43%20third.mp3)

MANY THANKS to forum member Kwai_Chang for linking to Wellaware1.com in the forum, absent that I would have never found this.

Bat man shooting CONFIRMED a wag the dog


There are serious problems with the story surrounding the "shooting" in Colorado.
There is no evidence being presented of: DEAD BODIES, A SHOT UP THEATER, NO CCTV FOOTAGE, RIDICULOUS PLOT (How does an unemployed college student get ahold of $20,000 worth of extremely controlled military gear) or anything else he had. You don't need any dead bodies to put an ambulance on camera and have a dozen or so actors cry for a camera. Why ONE BIG AMBULANCE, not many? Easier to manage. Cheaper. WHY were the police there INSTANTLY? This is a WAG THE DOG, COUNT ON IT!!!


And in the end, it will work JUST AS WELL. AND, why this shooting, so close to the previous in Colorado? Not plausible either, unless you have a community there that has been assigned by the power elite to pull these stunts. I do not believe it ever happened. PROVE ME WRONG. Oh, the elite stronghold under the Denver airport - the new base for everything. Cute. Consider that as well.


SO far documented, 1 ambulance 1 fire truck, several police, one Joker getup, a shirt with a bullet hole and a total of about a dozen crying people in photos. No stretchers, No CCTV footage, NO shot up theater pics, No bodies being carried out, NO pictures of people with any bandages or injuries present, NOTHING. This is a lazy cheap fake at best, being rammed down the throat of the public by a scamming media. And after being quickly nailed by viewers of Aljazeera, and having people point out immediately that the dead osama photo published in the U.S. was fake, it seems they did not want to take chances with stock photography and therefore we are seeing NOTHING OF PROVABLE SUBSTANCE.


"No plane theory" anyone? Possibly rightfully so!


Looking over the pictures published thus far, it really does look like a mega stupid fake once you realize the things I mentioned above. Capture this moment, because if people wake up to this they will have countless fake photos made to order. For now, they are resting easy.


And I strongly urge you to watch the following movie trailer for Wag The Dog, so you understand the concept and realize how easy something like this shooting can be faked.

TxfThO_oGo0



Full article: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/batmanshootingstaged22jul12.shtml

[bluestflame]

ideal distraction to provide increase in security while the elite are ushered in to the bunkers unnoticed

[D-Day]

If the following is proven to have any factual reality... it's sick!

Hey Amer,

Regarding the info you posted above...

You may want to listen to some comments that were made at the beginning of this Veritas interview with Jay Weidner:

http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2012/07jul/VS-120720-jweidner.php

In it Mal from Veritas mentions that some acquaintances of his (Stan & Lisa Romanek) told him via email that some of their close personal friends (who he also named) were directly involved in the shooting and are now in hospital with serious life threatening injuries.

Mal talks about this from about 10:15 through to 11:30 in the recording.

Based on Mal's disclosure I would have to assume that the events in Denver did actually take place and were not a complete fabrication by TPTB as was suggested in the info you found/shared.

That said, I would not at all be surprised to learn that much of the post event media coverage (including eye witness accounts) was/is being fabricated and/or distorted.

Anyway, just thought you (and others here) might be interested to hear Mal's comments.

[KEmpathK]

You know I was thinking this morning it was odd there is still no pics out there of bodies on stretchers or the wounded on stretchers. There seems to be a whole host of perfectly staged shots (again similar to OKC) and a smattering of the same old video clips being shown over and over. Surely the media stuck around to get shots of the bodies under white sheets coming out?