David Wilcock, The Great Revealing 7/20/2012

[gripreaper]

HERE is David Wilcocks latest update!!!!

excerpts:

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/great_revealing.jpg


The Department of Justice -- home of the US Marshals -- has now blown the lid off of the biggest financial scandal in human history... after a highly covert three-year investigation.

The LIBOR scandal has started the Great Revealing of Financial Tyranny. Mass arrests must begin with mass charges, and mass court cases -- and that has now arrived. Disclosure of many great hidden truths will follow...


Furthermore, we are now seeing a precise fulfillment of the justice we've been promising on this site since at least last November.

Critical information was leaked to us from highly classified insider sources, working for the good of humanity. Current events have proven that their plan is still very much in effect.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1066-great-revealing

[jackovesk]

Forgive me David Wilcock, but what are you up to now..?

Trying to take the Credit for the Libor Scandal :confused:

What happened to your other story..? Didn't quite pan out for you, did it..?

[Hervé]

NOOOOo... not another "Drake" thread....

[gripreaper]

I couldn't resist.

Now, revealed for the first time, there is a cabal of closely connected insiders who own and control 80% of the worlds wealth! AS an adjunct to that, they control all of the means of production, all of the natural resources, all military's and governments, all media, all finance...

And here's the clincher...

They are being exposed and there is now a concerted effort to take them down, by the Justice Department (which they own too) to charge and adjudicate them (in the courts they own)...

Hang in there, here's the real kicker !!!!!

These elite cabalists are allegedly running scared and are fearful and wouldn't even think of trying to retaliate and pull the plug on the whole system and let it collapse while all those arrogant slaves who think they can just walk off the plantation and arrest and take over control will not have any formidable resistance...

Even though the owners of the plantation have mind control technology and can feed mass consciousness with "memes" and use their stellar space technology, which is hidden and 100 times more advanced than what the open economy has, and a hidden economy 10 times as large, can pull off any kind of false flag imaginable and leave the planet while the chaos ensues...

There are still those who feel these nefarious psychopathic elite cabalists will somehow relinquish their power.

And if not, the military and the ET's will intervene.

[LarryC]

I guess it's time for the weekly anti-David Wilcock rant. Let's see who can come up with the wittiest sarcastic putdown of Wilcock and his cultlike followers. How empowering!

[gripreaper]

I guess it's time for the weekly anti-David Wilcock rant. Let's see who can come up with the wittiest sarcastic putdown of Wilcock and his cultlike followers. How empowering!

How is this not empowering?

On the one hand he is saying that the cabal owns and controls everything, and then in the next breath he says they are in trouble. Isn't it empowering to point out that this does not make sense?

No one has made such an anti-David put down or called anyone a cult follower. Why would you want to incite such ad hominem attacks which are clearly against the very core principles of this forum?

[norman]

Oh please! folks.

The slipstream behind the actions of those crooks who've run the banking system since the 12 hundreds ( at least ), is filling up with 'followers' who don't get it that the banking era is "OVER"!

They've got all the 'deeds' to all the nation states in their hands now.

They've moved on from that stage to the 'end game' now.

Part of the mechanicals of keeping the end game moving towards it's target is to throw a bunch of career bankers over the side to distract the hounds, just at the point where they have to break cover and out sprint us to the line.

If you don't grasp that bit yet, you need to, FAST!.

[Mozart]

Thanks for posting this, Grip. Ya beat me to it.


Right now I'm doing the final editing work on David's recent (May 9th) C2C appearance with George Noory. It was a good appearance, based on the words that I'm seeing in the transcript. David had wanted it after the posting of his next blog entry, which now has been posted, so I gotta scramble and do the final pass-through of editing before sending it on to him.


And I'm tell'n ya, y'all Wilcock and Drake haters and doubters of the mass arrest process -- it seems that most of you have given up on the idea of the goddamn Cabal being defeated. If you are thinking that way, then they GOTCHA. You've been mind-fk'd.


I've been extremely frustrated with the endless delays of the mass arrest process and have complained quite a bit, but I never did doubt that it would happen eventually.


Somebody had better order cases of crow for lots of you guys to eat. You'll need it ... along with cases of A-1 Sauce.


The damn Cabal will be defeated. Eventually, and not a day too soon.


Like Stan in this forum has said -- I wake up everyday hoping that the day would be the day that the arrest process would finally go mainstream in huge ways.


I'm so very grateful that we are even in a position to even contemplate, talk and act on the idea of the Cabal being defeated. Many, many people and positive ETs have contributed. I'm grateful to them all.


~Mozart

[DeBron]

Ad Hominem To the individual. Relating to the principles or preferences of a particular person, rather than to abstract truth. Often used to describe a personal attack on a person.

Just adding it in case others also didnt know what it meant. It is always good to know phrases from other languages, or just other languages in general.

Back to topic

David Wilcock is like all people.....human. He can only fall so far if you put him up high Noone's opinion should be more valuabe than your own, and in that regard you should strive to make it as intelligent and accurate an opinion as possible. Well at least that is my opinion. LMAO:blabla:

[gripreaper]

Back in the early part of the 19th century, the First Bank of the United States was made the fall guy to usher in the Federal Reserve, so that such shenanigans could never be allowed to ever take place on this planet ever again.

And what did we get? We got an even more consolidated power base and control grid. These same elite, are now offering up their current banking structure as the fall guy for their agenda to bring in a one world system. The game afoot is out of the very same playbook.

They would like to sell it to us once they have most of the planet in poverty, as a result of the failure of the current system. Most people are not even aware of the problems, but will react and beg for the solution being offered.

Beware of what you wish for, because these nefarious elite do not have your best interests at heart, and their agenda is rolling forward in precise stealth.

Just look at the events just this morning with the death of 12 innocent souls in a theater in Colorado, a possible satanic precursor to a much larger event potentially planned for the Olympic games. Be CAREFUL here my friends. Nothing is above these sick bastards and the final curtain call is upon us.

[9eagle9]

The GREAT Revealing: David Wilcocks showing his arse again.

[Ol' Roy]

I'll glady eat crow, if this all comes about! as long as you barbaque it and put some Sweet Baby Ray on top of it!

[Erich]

David has done a fantastic job of summarizing and coordinating a vast amount of important research. Someone a few days ago was asking something about how to convince people of the importance and relevance of these events, well, here it is. If you need academic sources, the full research paper is linked. If you need TV, well, it has that too.

[jackovesk]

And I'm tell'n ya, y'all Wilcock and Drake haters and doubters of the mass arrest process -- it seems that most of you have given up on the idea of the goddamn Cabal being defeated. If you are thinking that way, then they GOTCHA. You've been mind-fk'd.

~Mozart

:pound: On the contrary Mozart it is you :haha: my friend who has been, in your own words "mind-fk'd"...! :yes4:

You need to take that in, absorb it and ask yourself Why though..? Before we can move onto a meaningful debate...:)

[trenairio]

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/corporate_core.jpg
Mindblowing.

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[Mod-edit: the above is a graph of the 1318 corporations at the core of the network of global corporate control, from the article linked earlier in this thread The Great Revealing: US Marshals Expose Biggest Scandal in History (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1066-great-revealing). -Paul.]

[norman]

And I'm tell'n ya, y'all Wilcock and Drake haters and doubters of the mass arrest process -- it seems that most of you have given up on the idea of the goddamn Cabal being defeated. If you are thinking that way, then they GOTCHA. You've been mind-fk'd.

~Mozart

:pound: On the contrary Mozart it is you :haha: my friend who has been, in your own words "mind-fk'd"...! :yes4:

You need to take that in, absorb it and ask yourself Why though..? Before we can move onto a meaningful debate..:)

I don't give a sht if Drake is for real or not. I suspect he's a career truth massager, myself, Hell, if I was that way inclined, I'd surely make a hell of a good one too.

The bottom line here is:

You either believe that affirmation is the way ahead, or you believe that getting the better of a bad bunch of bastards is the way ahead.

You may even be religiously convinced that the first is the solution to the second.

I don't.

As far as my lazy researching has got me, so far, I understand that those nasty crooked bastards that we are all agreed are the reason we've got a big problem, are actually the very bastards who came up with the plan to capture the awakening people of this time and control them through the Madam Blavatzki based rules of control that gave birth to just about everything you and I know of as "new age" and all it's variants.

Jack' has got the measure of this matter just about as good as I could possible have put it myself.

Taking the "pills" is NO WAY to stand up against the people who invented the pills.

[Gardener]

Just to add to the mix here............As the age move more into aquarious and away from pisces, (in the equinoxial precession) there will be a revealing at all levels and in all things. Its part of what the age is about, 'knowing.' We have turned the corner at the bottom of the pits into which we have descended in the last 12,000 years and are now on our way back up, we are and will be ascending for the next 12,000 years. So yea Wilcox is right, and its all just as it should be, David better dot his i's and cross his t's also as it applies equally to him as it does to all of us, not just the cabal.

[LarryC]

I guess it's time for the weekly anti-David Wilcock rant. Let's see who can come up with the wittiest sarcastic putdown of Wilcock and his cultlike followers. How empowering!

How is this not empowering?

On the one hand he is saying that the cabal owns and controls everything, and then in the next breath he says they are in trouble. Isn't it empowering to point out that this does not make sense?

No one has made such an anti-David put down or called anyone a cult follower. Why would you want to incite such ad hominem attacks which are clearly against the very core principles of this forum?

The fact that they own everything by current rules doesn't necessarily mean that their power isn't in jeopardy. I'm not trying to incite ad hominem attacks, but when you start a thread in such a sarcastic mode, it seems to be an invitation to make fun of anyone who takes these ideas seriously.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Forgive me David Wilcock, but what are you up to now..?

Trying to take the Credit for the Libor Scandal :confused:

What happened to your other story..? Didn't quite pan out for you, did it..?

well, mass arrest could be coming, just a little later than predicted... ;)

[LarryC]

<< As far as my lazy researching has got me, so far, I understand that those nasty crooked bastards that we are all agreed are the reason we've got a big problem, are actually the very bastards who came up with the plan to capture the awakening people of this time and control them through the Madam Blavatzki based rules of control that gave birth to just about everything you and I know of as "new age" and all it's variants. >>

This notion that people like Madame Blavatsky are behind the modern "rules of control" is popular in some circles, but not very logical or persuasive. When you condemn everything "new age," what are you left with -Christianity or other monotheistic religions? These have a much more provable history of controlling people.

[Referee]

Okay I have to say something here. The Libor video is from July 3/4 the one on David's site. The one I posted last night in the Drake thread as I found it by accident and do not visit DW's site often. Thinking about Bill Rayan's Ultimate Hypothesis thread what if they were planning something to stop the cabal and the elite whent back in time to stop it again and again over the passed weeks. There are many aspects to many things. DW is correct about Libor fixing. We will see if anything comes of it. This information is so strong MSM may eventually run with it.

[ghostrider]

I don't think revealing something we know already is revealing. they are corrupt and have all the money , ran things into the ground and now there is no more money to steal so it's off to the bunkers or the moon and to hell with earth and those pesky humans . The sun will take care of the leftovers.. Hell arrest ?? that means judges, lawyers, paperwork, one technical screw up and they are off the hook, oops forgot to read them their rights , or their phone call , or oops no one signed the search warrants , I can hear it now, the jury will dis-reguard that testimony, council approach the bench, it's late we'll break for lunch and settle this in my chambers I'm late for a tee time and you know how long it took me to get tickets to the ballet ?? the wife will be sooo pisssed if we miss the opening, and which one of you parked in my spot I'm towing your BMW while we speak you bloody wanker !

[StarDust]

This is one of my favorite parts of this epic story:


THE IRS GETS AUDITED FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FRAUD -- JULY 3RD

Furthermore, on July 3rd we found out the IRS was being audited -- for billions of dollars in fraud.

The IRS is not innocent in all of this either. Corruption exists throughout the entire system -- as we are increasingly finding out.

Their own employees have now turned against them.

July 3: IRS Gets Audited -- For Allowing Billions of Dollars in Fraud
www.wnd.com/2012/07/and-finally-the-irs-gets-audited/

The federal agency that strikes fear into many U.S. taxpayers is getting a dose of its own medicine – as it is now the focus of a year-long audit for allowing illegal aliens to scam the system and bilk taxpayers out of billions of dollars every year.

Federal employees are blowing the whistle on the Internal Revenue Service, according to a report by Indianapolis television station WTHR-TV….

Howard Antelis, a tax examiner at the IRS’ ITIN processing center in Austin, Texas, explained: “We were being told by upper management to ignore fraud, to assign ITIN numbers and … pay out refunds to people who are lying. It’s a license to steal when you allow that.”…

Antelis said he reported the scams regularly to his managers – for years – with no result.

Frustrated with the inaction, he called the Inspector General’s office in Washington, D.C.

“I’ve been working for the federal government for 23 years and I signed an ethical standard of conduct when I went to work that says if you see fraud, you need to report it,” he said.

“I tried and tried and tried, couldn’t get anywhere so … I went into a quiet room and started making phone calls.”…

The auditors made a shocking discovery: IRS employees were, in fact, encouraged to overlook indications of fraud….

“It’s pure negligence by management and they’ve been trying to keep it quiet,” Antelis said. “There is a criminal element that is defrauding the U.S. government by filing mountains and mountains of these fraudulent applications.

"We see them in piles in bulk every day that are obviously not legitimate documents and not legitimate tax returns and not legitimate wages … and [IRS managers] don’t want to deal with it.

"That’s where all the fraud is. The fraud is in the fake notary stamps and fake documents which we’ve been accepting.”

As they say, payback's a bitch!

[pyriel]

Since they own everything, could be as simple as consolidating money, etc and have others arrested to get rest of the people they dont want to share with and/or to bring in a new currency and of course most of the people in government, etc are all corrupt.. sounds like one mafia group trying to get rid of another mafia group. Wont say anything bad about wilcock for the time being.

[indigopete]

"Critical information was leaked to us from highly classified insider sources"

Ahhgghh !! More carpet sales coming our way, with even bigger discounts and free fitting this time.

"You will probably have to go through a grief process once you understand the full scope of what is going on"

Specially if those carpets turn out to be the wrong colour. Hopefully you can help counsel us through it.


And I'm tell'n ya, y'all Wilcock and Drake haters and doubters of the mass arrest process -- it seems that most of you have given up on the idea of the goddamn Cabal being defeated. If you are thinking that way, then they GOTCHA. You've been mind-fk'd

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[Maunagarjana]

Some people are obviously very attached to the ideas that the cabal is pretty much invulnerable, that their resources are unlimited, that their plans are working like a charm, that no one will stop them and all our worst nightmares will inexorably come to pass. When you spend years or even decades identifying with that perspective, it's hard to see anything else.

[indigopete]

Some people are obviously very attached to the ideas that the cabal is pretty much invulnerable

The thing is, Maunagarjana, the so called "cabal" are not there because of a lack of attempts to "topple" them.

They are there because they reflect the general subconscious state of mind and values of humanity at large (at least in the societies where they prevail). Like if you leave your garden alone and don't tend it, it will develop one way (with weeds which drown out the flowers) and if you give it attention it will develop another. It's not that the weeds are "evil" it's just that you kind of asked for your garden to develop along those lines by leaving it alone which the weeds were free to interpret as a conscious act of will.

The aggregate effect of millions of people making small changes to priorities in their daily lives is what will collapse the cabal. Those "small changes" amount to a veritable tsunami which cannot be countered by any army, politician or banker.

This is already going on and has been for the best part of a century. People have been taking their power back in all kinds ways - not least through the creation and sharing of ideas in forums like this.

It's the nature of the process that it also involves giving your power away first (in order to discover your own consciousness and energy). David Wilcock is providing a valuable service in this regard by leading people up lots of garden paths only to discover there's nothing there.

Another good example is the prevailing banking scandal - people are now discovering that they had given their power away without realising it. That's causing (for example) a mass migration of accounts out of the "big 6" - 2.5 MILLION so far. . . . http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/business/2012/07/move-your-money-we-need-new-models-banking-not-just-new-banks

Much of what David Wilcock reports on his site IS going on, it's just that it's been going on for decades and is now accelarating whereas he's trying to present it as some kind of discrete, planned event which he has "inside information on".

It is not and he has not.

It's being played out in the open in front of our eyes and is being manifested by our very own consciousnesses, our visions of the future, our free will and our love of life. These changes have not only been created by subscribers to avalon forum, but also those who we sometimes arrogantly look upon as the "unawakened sheeple" - the 2.5 million who just moved their bank accounts, Peter Doyle who just wrote a nasty letter to his ex-bosses at the IMF, the guy who invented TCP/IP and just about every one else on the planet.

So no need to be drawing up geopolitical battle lines - just keep doing what were doing and allow nature to bring forth the new consciousness. No doubt it will involve some spectacular car crashes along the way so the popcorn munchers won't be disappointed, but talk of cabals, toppling and cavalry is soon going to be history.

Enjoy your croissants & coffee :)

Pete

[KosmicKat]

I'm starting to wonder if it's even worth continuing with Avalon. :rain:

What I'm seeing that is discouraging me is misunderstanding and trivia outweighing posts of real import. The only reason this comment is here is because it was some of the responses to DW's latest blog. For me, some of what he says requires a very flexible approach to the facts, but the information which he manages to trawl out of the vast web is more useful.

[Maunagarjana]

Some people are obviously very attached to the ideas that the cabal is pretty much invulnerable

It's the nature of the process that it also involves giving your power away first (in order to discover your own consciousness and energy). David Wilcock is providing a valuable service in this regard by leading people up lots of garden paths only to discover there's nothing there.

That there is "nothing there" is yet to be determined.


Much of what David Wilcock reports on his site IS going on, it's just that it's been going on for decades and is now accelarating whereas he's trying to present it as some kind of discrete, planned event which he has "inside information on".

It is not and he has not.

Is that your gut feeling? Well, you have a right to your opinion. But you don't know that. You don't know who Wilcock talks to or what is really going on with them or what may come of it. Maybe you have some notions, but how can you state categorically "it is not and he has not"?


It's being played out in the open in front of our eyes and is being manifested by our very own consciousnesses, our visions of the future, our free will and our love of life. These changes have not only been created by subscribers to avalon forum, but also those who we sometimes arrogantly look upon as the "unawakened sheeple"

Yes, I've noticed. "Sheeple" is a term that the elites use for us. I don't use it. Anyone who does, I suspect are people whose main objection to the cabal is that they weren't invited in.


So no need to be drawing up geopolitical battle lines - just keep doing what were doing and allow nature to bring forth the new consciousness. No doubt it will involve some spectacular car crashes along the way so the popcorn munchers won't be disappointed, but talk of cabals, toppling and cavalry is soon going to be history.

You may in fact be right. And that would be more than okay with me. I don't want you to get the impression that I don't appreciate your post. I do. But one thing I have been thinking about is if there are people among the supposed "cavalry" who sincerely believe that if we do not overthrow the cabal before December 21, 2012, what happens afterward will be much more severe than if we do. Think of it as maybe a timeline issue. Or perhaps they have received word that we will receive more help from friendly ETs throughout the course of our transition if we demonstrate that we have "grown up" and made it so that the mental patients no longer run the asylum. Just something to think about.

[indigopete]

You don't know who Wilcock talks to or what is really going on with them or what may come of it

We all have to choose where we invest our intellectual energy. If David Wilcock thinks he's penetrated the inner depths of the CIA / hidden government cabal like some kind of John Le Carrie cold war spy, then I'm more inclined to think it's because they allowed him to. Either way I don't think the information he puts out is worth digesting.

I'd rather learn from primary sources and make my own mind up about what's going on than listen to a running commentary from someone who's clearly going through their own process of self discovery.

[observer]

I wasn't quite sure of what your were up to when I saw your OP, grip. I was certain you wouldn't be supporting this Wilcox sort of tripe, but it surly did appear as though you were.

After reading-down into the thread I quickly realized what your point was. LOL

Allow me to give the members a little elder wisdom.... from one of the tribal elders.

My own personal testamony:

I spent many years of my life subscribing to the words of channelers. I began at a very early age following everything I could get a hold of from Edgar Cayce - I'm speaking of back into the very early 60's, here.

I continued my subscription through a myriad of different channelers into the mid to late eighties. It was around that time I really started looking for factual evidence.

Now, some thirty years later, I've come to realize there really are no true channels to the 'so called' akashic record. The few who have appeared to have true ability in my lifetime, even with those, their messages were manipulated by the dark Archonic control mechanism imposed, like a matrix, around this particular three dimensional reality in which we all dwell.

This system of control has been in place since the Dawn of Man. The key function of how this system of control works is through telepathically influenced thought. There are Dark Overlords roaming the Akashic Records of the Mass of Humanity known in antiquity as Archons. They are there to keep the message blurred to the benefit of the demigod that runs this place.

With this perspective, I now ask the discerning members to look at the evidence Wilcock is presenting. Do you really think he is getting this clap-trap from some sort of benevolent ET?

To all of those believing in the 'channeled message', please.... just watch the shinny ball.... listen to my words.... you are getting sleepy.... you are falling asleep.... sleep.... deep.... sleep....

[Maunagarjana]

You don't know who Wilcock talks to or what is really going on with them or what may come of it

We all have to choose where we invest our intellectual energy. If David Wilcock thinks he's penetrated the inner depths of the CIA / hidden government cabal like some kind of John Le Carrie cold war spy, then I'm more inclined to think it's because they allowed him to. Either way I don't think the information he puts out is worth digesting.

I'd rather learn from primary sources and make my own mind up about what's going on than listen to a running commentary from someone who's clearly going through their own process of self discovery.

Fair enough. But I must ask, what primary sources are you talking about?

[modwiz]

The GREAT Revealing: David Wilcocks showing his arse again.

C'mon, admit it. You actually have a "thing" for David. :pound:

[Andrew]

Why cant people just see Governments as FRONTS and forget they are ever going to lock THEMSELVES up.

[indigopete]

Fair enough. But I must ask, what primary sources are you talking about?


LoL - that's quite a good question and I'm not sure how to answer it :)

I suppose I use the term relatively. For example, if someone says that a lot of the worlds wealth ended up in the far east and there are stockpiles of gold there, there are lots of 'primary sources' you can access to help you decide if that's a reasonable statement.

Basically sources which don't have an agenda support (or at least not the one that your investigating) like documented accounts of ancient trade routes, general historical documentation, reading about Marco Polo as a kid etc

Other examples are the nature of the banking system, the history of the federal reserve, the Bretton Woods agreement and so on are out in the open because there are simply so many instances of these being well documented.

On the other hand, if a single individual reports that ".. a contact of mine knowns someone who's security clearance is 24 levels above the president and he says this. . ." then I would assume he's trying to convince me of something rather than trying to inform me of something.

Another example of primary sources vs propaganda is 9/11.

Many of the independent challenges to the 9/11 official account have come from observers who have simply measured how fast buildings collapsed and plotted this on a graph. That's a primary source because you made your observations followed by your own interpretation.

On the other hand, in the official account, the interpretation comes first. It's the same with David Wilcock - there are no observations for us to make - he is making them all himself and then feeding us an interpretation.

In that way he is analogous to the official account of 9/11 (in fact even worse because for 9/11 at least there were some primary sources for us to revert to to validate - or otherwise - the official account. In DW's there are none).

[WhiteFeather]

Im staying on the sidelines with DW a little while longer. Not ready to throw the towel in yet, as David has been beaten up pretty bad going into the late rounds of this boxing match on Avalon. IMO He has done some consciousness shifting and has given some a sense of hope. And That i give him credit for. He gets people thinking.
And After all what we think we become. I still resonate with some of Davids work and will wait to see how it pans out. Not ready to shoot the messenger just yet...if you will.

[Camilo]

Blah, blah, blah......more speculations on this issue again and again.

[SilentFeathers]

Wilcock is just promoting his book to make money......

[Billy]

Beware of the beast that plays dead.

[Lifebringer]

Focus and see them in striped suits and I don't mean "pinstripe." See them in handcuffs and doors being kicked in their mansions, property seized from their ill-gotten gains and financial ruin to them all. See our system working for all the people with a peaceful, efficient, clean green sustainable enegy sources that can filter the toxins from oceans and rivers and streams where God's fish live. WE don't live there, so why screw up their backyard envionment and then go home to Maria who cleans our homes? Hypocracy of the soul, isn't often thought about. Let US give them the true justice that WE have to live under. Equality in OUR justice system for white collar criminals in the financial industry, is a MUST. No must, NO TRUST in a rigged system of th 1%. Let US leave their crooked banking industry of betting against share holders and thenskimming their creme off the top.

Let US see them crawl before a real American Patriotic Judge, NOT a corporate SCOTUS SHILL that has infiltrated and watered down their equal justice. Let US RESTORE LADY LIBERTY'S BALANCED SCALES FOR ALL WHO CLAIM THE NAME "US" ON THEIR CROOKED FINANCIAL SCAM BUSINESSES AND BANKS, EVEN THE VATICAN.

[Maia Gabrial]

I couldn't resist.

Now, revealed for the first time, there is a cabal of closely connected insiders who own and control 80% of the worlds wealth! AS an adjunct to that, they control all of the means of production, all of the natural resources, all military's and governments, all media, all finance...

And here's the clincher...

They are being exposed and there is now a concerted effort to take them down, by the Justice Department (which they own too) to charge and adjudicate them (in the courts they own)...

Hang in there, here's the real kicker !!!!!

These elite cabalists are allegedly running scared and are fearful and wouldn't even think of trying to retaliate and pull the plug on the whole system and let it collapse while all those arrogant slaves who think they can just walk off the plantation and arrest and take over control will not have any formidable resistance...

Even though the owners of the plantation have mind control technology and can feed mass consciousness with "memes" and use their stellar space technology, which is hidden and 100 times more advanced than what the open economy has, and a hidden economy 10 times as large, can pull off any kind of false flag imaginable and leave the planet while the chaos ensues...

There are still those who feel these nefarious psychopathic elite cabalists will somehow relinquish their power.

And if not, the military and the ET's will intervene.

God damned aliens! Let's focus everything on them and their downfall.... Then the human traitors will fall, too....

[Lifebringer]

Lop of the heads of the beast, the arses die also. Cut the tentacles off every economy attached to them and send them to JAILS WORLDWIDE IN EACH NATION THE ELITES HAVE DESECRATED THE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

IF WE THE PEOPLE DON'T SHOW OUR CHILDREN THE SAME JUSTICE FOR WHITE COLLAR AS WE RECIEVE, THEN SURELY THEY WILL GROW TO BE A PART OF THE PROBLEM AND NOT LEARN THAT THIS ISN'T TO BE TOLERATED BECAUSE IT'S ROBBERY AND THEFT OF THEIR CHILDREN'S FUTURE. THE ELITES DON'T WANT NOR DO THEY CARE IF WE LIVE OR DIE. THE PROOF IS IN THEIR HEALTH DENIAL FOR PROFIT OVER LIVES SYSTEM. I BET, THAT THEY BET, AGAINST PATIENTS SURVIVING ON THEIR POISONOUS BRIBED OUR FDA DRUGS THEY PUSH DOCTORS TO GUINEA PIG US WITH THROUGH COMMERCIAL ADS.
I BET THEY TRUSTED THE LIE MACHINES CALLED THE PRESS, TO OVERLOOK THE PEOPLE ASPECT OF REPORTING THE NEWS, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ALSO WERE IN THE SYSTEM/ENSLAVED, ONE DAY WOKE UP AND SAID: "HEYYYY, WTF GOES ON HERE. WHO'S ZOOMING WHO. LEAD ME TO AN INVESTMENT YOU KNOW IS GONNA CRASH, THEN BAIL YOUR STOCKS, AND LEAVE SHARE HOLDERS TO TAKE THE LOSS. WHAT A CROCK OF CACA.

WE THE PEOPLE CANNOT ALLOW THIS CHARADE OF A TRUST TO CONTINUE FOR ONE MOMENT LONGER AND IT'S LONG OVERDUE. CENTURIES IN FACT, OVERDUE.
LET THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD UNITE IN EQUAL JUSTICE. HOW MANY MILLIONS OF OUR LIVES, WILL THEY CONTINUE TO DESTROY, IF WE DON'T STOP THEM RIGHT NOW, AT THIS LAST RECESSION TYPE SYSTEM RED-HANDED.

PLANTATION NATION MY PATOOTIE.

[Finefeather]

Greetings all you beautiful Souls!
Time for an Add break !
Why not just treat DW as a kind of watering hole where you can go once a month or so, and get an update on what's cooking?
No matter what he has, done and not done, predicted and failed, sucked out of thin air, channelled from his own mind, it seems to me a little pointless to keep displaying our 'superior knowledge' and 'expert analyses' and 'predictable conclusions' about a soul who is as much a part of our quest to get it out there as anyone on this forum.
Are we after all not just a little confused, apprehensive, about what tomorrow will bring?
Well at least today, up till now, everything is still going fine around me, no earthquakes, no mass arrests, no alien invasions, no catastrophes,... just have to mow the lawn still today though.
I have read every post on this thread and my built-in freedom of choice meter has just moved to "Unable to come to any meaningful decision".
I wonder how many of us here on Avalon have actually steered as many souls as DW has to some sort of inner enquiry, despite his perceived failings?

I say,... let it be, who knows, someday he may just hit the jackpot, then, oh dear, what will we say? :decision:
:focus:

[ljwheat]

Here Native American John Trudell speaks with Alex Jones on energy grabbing cabal on how we think, this thread is following the same line of emotional manipulation, the only difference is the label or man of the hour to be roasted. its still grabbing your energy.

MzfWN2UrZ9k

Here Native American John Trudell speaks about Pandora’s box and what came out of it. Tie’s in nicely with grabbing your energy, or killing it. Both seam to be doing a great job with this kind of thread. What the hell are we doing here, but falling back into there control bickering with each other.

rDFndNlc618

[observer]

Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of ljwheat's comment #44.

lj,

A simple 'thank you' was insufficient.

You could not have posted a more apropos video than the first one you selected.

This interview between Alex Jones and John Trudell cuts directly to the crux of the issue, and is a 'shining example' of why Alex's message is so vital to this moment - regardless of the pointless claims of many members, here on the forum, to the contrary.

My greatest personal hero is Crazy Horse. I would venture to bet he is also John Trudell's greatest hero.

It is warriors, such as Crazy Horse, that the world needs - RIGHT NOW !!!

This pabulum we are being fed by the likes of Wilcox is simply comfort food for those who would rather go back to sleep....

[update]

Visualize it in this fashion:

The entire Mass of Humanity is quietly sleeping, nestled into a dream-state, in a foggy-mist little hollow.

It is just minutes before dawn.

Quietly, during the night, the Calvary has surrounded the little village with Gatling ordinance aimed-down at the tepees filled with the Mass of Humanity.

There is no escape, when one single voice stands-up and shouts....



hoka hey.... today is a good day to die!

[ljwheat]

***John Trudell ***** “When you believe in something, you stop thinking.” when you stop thinking, you begin to believe everything. --- “Think more ,- believe in less.”


This sounds like the world we all live in to me. Everyone stop telling us what we believe. “ Start thinking.” Less preaching. Opinions are like hope, nothing happens, no movement, only energy spent going no where.

[WhiteFeather]

@Ljwheat - Great videos you have posted by John Trudell. I Resonate with him extremely. Wanishi : )

[Arpheus]

Wow i had never heard of John Trudell before,what an amazing human being ,that was a great interview with Alex jones,thank you for that!!

[NancyV]

Wow i had never heard of John Trudell before,what an amazing human being ,that was a great interview with Alex jones,thank you for that!!
My first time hearing of Trudell also and he's extremely impressive! What was also interesting is how WELL Alex Jones understood exactly what he was saying. I have to admire Alex for having some great thinkers on his show. I like that he has Mike Adams from naturalnews . com on as a guest host quite often. Now I'm going to have to go watch some more John Trudell videos! Thanks for posting LJWheat.

[Flash]

absolutely brillant

stop believing, start thinking, reduce beliefs, increase thinking

the ptb organised society is based on implanted beliefs which are used for energies transfer to them (money as energy, emotional energies, etc)

[observer]

To those members who are unfamiliar with John Trudell, here is a link to his Wiki bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Trudell

John is a living hero among some in the Native American community.

Here is a link to the 2005 documentary, "Trudell":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fM_ttXdtmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fM_ttXdtmo

For those of you who found some meaning in his message, it would be recommended to watch the documentary.


The point of all this, what might appear as off-topic chatter, regarding folks like Trudell, is that, these individuals are offering a different interpretation of reality, as opposed to folks like Wilcock.

As I stated in a previous post, "It is just minutes before dawn", for the Mass of Humanity....

[Chester]

I guess it's time for the weekly anti-David Wilcock rant. Let's see who can come up with the wittiest sarcastic putdown of Wilcock and his cultlike followers. How empowering!

How is this not empowering?

On the one hand he is saying that the cabal owns and controls everything, and then in the next breath he says they are in trouble. Isn't it empowering to point out that this does not make sense?

No one has made such an anti-David put down or called anyone a cult follower. Why would you want to incite such ad hominem attacks which are clearly against the very core principles of this forum?

Wilcock created a Wilcock that created a hole in which he must reside. He digs his hole deeper and deeper. He is clearly unaware of his creation and I sense that just about everyone with any credibility is and will continue to distance themselves from Wilcock.

Some within the alternative media community that know the guy will hang with him longer... but I am already seeing some folks that have been close with him on a personal basis starting to paint the picture that he is a well meaning but misguided individual.

I like him... I think what he does now is driven by a huge sub conscious need to keep his world together... a world where he sees himself playing a huge (almost savior level) role and where he has hob knobed with some of the more genuine presenters in the alternative media community... but to keep this momentum going, he has resorted to censoring comments on his blog using "new age" BS that he is just keeping his world "positive" - a true sign he knows at some level within himself he is often full of it.

He is a pretty good marketer though, and his followers continue to feed his fantasy and thus he is able to maintain his momentum, for now. He only allows Wilcock supporters in his sphere. This is like a rock star that surrounds himself with groupies - sad... but it is quite clear he has reached this stage within his lifetime's learning curve.

Again, I like him but I don't spend much time reading anything from him anymore as it makes me sad for him and I feel it is mostly a time waste.

I did not like that he deleted Bill's comment from his blog. Bill deserves better, made a very valid comment and has been a supporter of Wilcock for years and in many ways Wilcock owes much of his current "exposure" to Bill and Kerry. In this case Wilcock reminds me of an opportunist that deems he no longer needs some of the solid ladder rungs he climbed upon.

I am sad I see him this way as I like the young Wilcock I thought I knew years ago...

justoneopinion from justoneman

[LarryC]

Greetings all you beautiful Souls!
Time for an Add break !
Why not just treat DW as a kind of watering hole where you can go once a month or so, and get an update on what's cooking?
No matter what he has, done and not done, predicted and failed, sucked out of thin air, channelled from his own mind, it seems to me a little pointless to keep displaying our 'superior knowledge' and 'expert analyses' and 'predictable conclusions' about a soul who is as much a part of our quest to get it out there as anyone on this forum.
Are we after all not just a little confused, apprehensive, about what tomorrow will bring?
Well at least today, up till now, everything is still going fine around me, no earthquakes, no mass arrests, no alien invasions, no catastrophes,... just have to mow the lawn still today though.
I have read every post on this thread and my built-in freedom of choice meter has just moved to "Unable to come to any meaningful decision".
I wonder how many of us here on Avalon have actually steered as many souls as DW has to some sort of inner enquiry, despite his perceived failings?

I say,... let it be, who knows, someday he may just hit the jackpot, then, oh dear, what will we say? :decision:
:focus:

That's similar to my perspective. To answer your initial question, even if it was meant rhetorically, many people find it difficult to have an ambivalent or nuanced position about anything -it makes them feel confused or perhaps wishy-washy. Others may have their own agendas for promoting or debunking someone. But I think it's best to treat each new piece of information (using "information" in the broad sense, not implying it's true) as a possibility to be considered, regardless of the source -at least if that source has provided you with something of value in the past.

[GoodETxSG]

Every day we receive more and more disclosure of Financial Corruption by our Banking Institutions and Politicians from the G8 Nations. The U.S., U.K. and E.U. have been gaming the financial system in their favor to create Trillions of dollars on computer screens and stealing tons of Gold from other nations since at least 1911. The Federal Reserve Bank and other evil clones (IMF, BIS etc…) have plundered the world for quite long enough. The recently revealed evidence needs to be covered in depth by the Main Stream Media (Who is owned by the criminal Cabals).

We plan to start a huge letter writing, Fax sending and protesting campaign to the MSM and local representatives to get them to get them to bring these “Self proclaimed Elite’s” to justice. When the scope of the manipulation, wars and murder of so many innocents is revealed arrest and imprisonment will be the least of the “Elite’s” concerns. They have make billions of people slaves to debt. We toil, suffer and die in debt to them and unknowingly worship and grovel at their feet. They suppress technology that will conflict with their business model. Many technologies that could increase the quality of life and save lives of the people YOU love who have died of disease.

Join now, with us to bring the heat to the Media and our “Representatives” to set us free from the financial tyranny that we have been subjects to for generations. Become a member of this movement, there is room for everyone. Once we realize that the Left Wing and Right Wing are what gives flight to the same BEAST. The ideology of Liberal and Conservative thinking is important to our individual morality and beliefs. But the Elite use these differences to cause us to forget what we have in common. They use our differences to keep us at odds with each other and diverted from their corruption. Why deceive us “ignorant and useless eaters”? Because we outnumber them 99 to 1 and they are afraid of OUR power.

So, now put aside your political or religious differences and band together to expose this corruption and usher our world into a new era. We do not need a “New World Order” ran by self proclaimed rulers. They have no “divine right” to rule. They only have the power we give them. Let’s take that power back and create an “Era of Prosperity for ALL”! It is possible! Say NO to any more WAR that is used to divert our attention from corruption when it starts to leak. We can join together and form a world of peace, I refuse to believe we cannot live together with our differences without butchering one another. What do we have in common? We love our families, our friends and we love peace. So, click the LIKE button and spread this web site to everyone you know. Join other movements that you normally would not associate with. The enemy of our enemy is our friend.

www.facebook.com/BankAndPoliticianFinancialCorruption

[Free Bird]

This in the Guardian / Observer:


£13tn: hoard hidden from taxman by global elite

• Study estimates staggering size of offshore economy
• Private banks help wealthiest to move cash into havens
Heather Stewart, business editor
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 21 July 2012 21.00 BST

A global super-rich elite has exploited gaps in cross-border tax rules to hide an extraordinary £13 trillion ($21tn) of wealth offshore – as much as the American and Japanese GDPs put together – according to research commissioned by the campaign group Tax Justice Network.

James Henry, former chief economist at consultancy McKinsey and an expert on tax havens, has compiled the most detailed estimates yet of the size of the offshore economy in a new report, The Price of Offshore Revisited, released exclusively to the Observer.

He shows that at least £13tn – perhaps up to £20tn – has leaked out of scores of countries into secretive jurisdictions such as Switzerland and the Cayman Islands with the help of private banks, which vie to attract the assets of so-called high net-worth individuals. Their wealth is, as Henry puts it, "protected by a highly paid, industrious bevy of professional enablers in the private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries taking advantage of the increasingly borderless, frictionless global economy".
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/global-elite-tax-offshore-economy

David Wilcock called his latest piece, "The Great Revealing" and it quite serendipitous that a MSM organisation such as the Guardian is at last prepared to expose the global elites for what they are. The comments below the article range from absolute shock to outright anger ... a sure sign the people who swim in the mainstream are beginning to wake up and see the reality for what it is.

I'm not sure about David but like Finefeather says, the work he's done so far has certainly helped to wake people up and question their journey in life.

Peace and Love
-x-

[Christine]

GoodeTXSG

A new thread titled Time for each of US to take on the Cabal Banksters, A call to action! has been started per your request. If you need to trouble shoot why you couldn't start a new thread please PM Paul.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47641-Time-for-each-of-US-to-take-on-the-Cabal-Banksters-A-call-to-action-

:focus:

[Ultima Thule]

Instead of making fun of David like you used to have fun at the expense of the kid with the glasses in school(especially in here, where he is not present to metaphorically stand up from the ground), how about in the spirit of meaningful argument those of you that categorically raise the bs flag on this article of David go through it step by step and make arguments exactly how it is bs? In all possible cases one has to admit that his article is written okay, is vast, has msm links to it, provides actual documents, so I think it merits more than a categorical dismissal in a manner which resembles elementary school behavior more than anything.

Imo it is absolutely okay to not like David, to have an opinion that he is not credible and state so, but to wave off the absolute content of his article, I would expect a step by step analysis of it with some background if one is certain that the article is bs.


UT

[9eagle9]

The GREAT Revealing: David Wilcocks showing his arse again.

C'mon, admit it. You actually have a "thing" for David. :pound:

I can't hide from you can you. Yes, that "thing" is called a needle....

[ljwheat]

Instead of making fun of David like you used to have fun at the expense of the kid with the glasses in school(especially in here, where he is not present to metaphorically stand up from the ground), how about in the spirit of meaningful argument those of you that categorically raise the bs flag on this article of David go through it step by step and make arguments exactly how it is bs? In all possible cases one has to admit that his article is written okay, is vast, has msm links to it, provides actual documents, so I think it merits more than a categorical dismissal in a manner which resembles elementary school behavior more than anything.

Imo it is absolutely okay to not like David, to have an opinion that he is not credible and state so, but to wave off the absolute content of his article, I would expect a step by step analysis of it with some background if one is certain that the article is bs.


UT

I remember the DW years ago that spoke of spirituality, humanity, integrity, stability, and his humbleness before man kind and all the idea’s that we must stick together and bring about the change you want to see in ourselves.

This is why I posted John Trudell video, because David reminded me of what John has always stood for as David did when he entered the stage of the public eye.

No one is really against David if you really look at whats said about him. People who have followed him are just pointing out to the new crowd of follower’s, "bloody murder"-- some one has killed David Wilcock the one we used to know and love to listen to for hours on end.

Some one or some thing has grabbed David and thrown him over board to the sharks, and all this mad thrashing and dodging the jaws of world BS ocean out there.

Many of his friends and the public have tried to throw him a life preserver to get back on the boat of human understanding and the roots of his intellect were he began this Great quest.

When John Trudell was thrown to the sharks, it made a stronger person and embraced the change like tempered steel. And is now sharper than a samurai sword and can cut you to the quick with his words.

David has fallen apart and has taken a different route all together I don’t know this David everyone is speaking ill of these days. The David I knew was like John Trudell-- solid. That David has left the building.

And to break down each and every flaw David has brought to the table. Would be like trying to debunk the Webster dictionary its to complex like David. And explaining it to Johnny come lately is to big a challenge for me.

Its like a family member you grew up with, you know everything about this person, all of a sudden he’s in the news for something the general public is seeing, but cant make the connections a family member would know. Thousands of hours of data and listening to Davids work as a person, can’t be quantified for your opinion of not knowing why all this is occurring.

John xoxo

[9eagle9]

I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.




To those members who are unfamiliar with John Trudell, here is a link to his Wiki bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Trudell

John is a living hero among some in the Native American community.

Here is a link to the 2005 documentary, "Trudell":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fM_ttXdtmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fM_ttXdtmo

For those of you who found some meaning in his message, it would be recommended to watch the documentary.


The point of all this, what might appear as off-topic chatter, regarding folks like Trudell, is that, these individuals are offering a different interpretation of reality, as opposed to folks like Wilcock.

As I stated in a previous post, "It is just minutes before dawn", for the Mass of Humanity....

[observer]

[....snip]
"One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.
[....snip]



Thank you 9eagle9 for your contribution, and for making that distinction.

This is exactly the line in the sand, behind which I stand, and my primary reason for continuing on this forum.

If the members would please take note to the first line in my signature, I believe that sums it all up.

And.... of course....

Wishing everyone Love.... for eternity....

[RMorgan]

I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.



That´s exactly the point, my friend.

It really doesn´t matter if one believes Drake, Wilcock, whatever...

Most of the times believing someone just gives the illusion that you´re being proactive and doing something.

The point is to act.

This is the same thing as a sick man going to the doctor. The doctor tells him he must radically change his diet or he´ll die, which leaves the man with two options: Believing the doctor and doing nothing, which eventually will lead him to death; or believing the doctor and changing his diet, which will probably save his life.

About Wilcock, I identify with him, as a marketer. I have a MBA degree on Strategic Marketing.

As a somewhat successful Industrial Designer, I know there are two kinds of products one must design to achieve success.

Type 1- A very functional product that will do well in the market, so I can earn some royalties. Products that actually sell.

Type 2- Conceptual products that aren´t that functional, but which the press and design blogs will love. These products wont sell, but will spread around the internet and add value to my name/brand.

It´s important to publish one conceptual product quarterly, so you´re constantly being published by the press and websites; to keep your name on the top so you don´t get obscured by other designers.

These conceptual products will add value to your name/brand and will later make your functional/practical products sell much better.

Wilcock is smart. He uses the same strategy. He has his books, from which he actually earn his living and he has his polemical articles, which keep his name circling around the web constantly.

It really doesn´t matter if those articles are good or bad, reflect the truth or not. What matters is that these articles are tailored to be polemic and controversial, so people will always talk about them, no matter what, so his name will always be remembered, making his books and lectures sell much better.

I have nothing against this strategy itself; I think it´s honest. It´s just the way the market works.

However, I don´t really like the idea of selling/treating truth as product. It´s not cool.

The mainstream media is already using this strategy for a long time and we all know how bad is the result. It ended up not telling the truth at all, just polemical and controversial news, so it could earn money with commercials/advertising. It realized that truth doesn´t sell well and, truth and entertainment are, in fact, contradicting entities. Do you get my point?

Anyone who starts mixing truth with entertainment ends up giving up the truth. It´s just not good for business.

The truth is not a market asset and shouldn´t be treated like one, at least by my moral and ethical standards. At the moment truth is treated like a market asset, it´s corrupted.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Ultima Thule]

Instead of making fun of David like you used to have fun at the expense of the kid with the glasses in school(especially in here, where he is not present to metaphorically stand up from the ground), how about in the spirit of meaningful argument those of you that categorically raise the bs flag on this article of David go through it step by step and make arguments exactly how it is bs? In all possible cases one has to admit that his article is written okay, is vast, has msm links to it, provides actual documents, so I think it merits more than a categorical dismissal in a manner which resembles elementary school behavior more than anything.

Imo it is absolutely okay to not like David, to have an opinion that he is not credible and state so, but to wave off the absolute content of his article, I would expect a step by step analysis of it with some background if one is certain that the article is bs.


UT

I remember the DW years ago that spoke of spirituality, humanity, integrity, stability, and his humbleness before man kind and all the idea’s that we must stick together and bring about the change you want to see in ourselves.

This is why I posted John Trudell video, because David reminded me of what John has always stood for as David did when he entered the stage of the public eye.

No one is really against David if you really look at whats said about him. People who have followed him are just pointing out to the new crowd of follower’s, "bloody murder"-- some one has killed David Wilcock the one we used to know and love to listen to for hours on end.

Some one or some thing has grabbed David and thrown him over board to the sharks, and all this mad thrashing and dodging the jaws of world BS ocean out there.

Many of his friends and the public have tried to throw him a life preserver to get back on the boat of human understanding and the roots of his intellect were he began this Great quest.

When John Trudell was thrown to the sharks, it made a stronger person and embraced the change like tempered steel. And is now sharper than a samurai sword and can cut you to the quick with his words.

David has fallen apart and has taken a different route all together I don’t know this David everyone is speaking ill of these days. The David I knew was like John Trudell-- solid. That David has left the building.

And to break down each and every flaw David has brought to the table. Would be like trying to debunk the Webster dictionary its to complex like David. And explaining it to Johnny come lately is to big a challenge for me.

Its like a family member you grew up with, you know everything about this person, all of a sudden he’s in the news for something the general public is seeing, but cant make the connections a family member would know. Thousands of hours of data and listening to Davids work as a person, can’t be quantified for your opinion of not knowing why all this is occurring.

John xoxo

Good post!

I´ve been checking up on David for some years and yes there seems to be a change, but I wonder whether it could be compared to a profession change? If one is a accomplished carpenter but takes up smithery because feels that is needed at that particular time to get the job done - is the change something positive or negative or are we as spectators subject to expecting something particular of the person? Therefore assuming that he should not be a subject to change and we automatically assume that he needs a life preserver? That very well may be the case, but I feel that we should be open to the possibility that he knows what he is doing and why and may be very well guided to do so, although from outside his way might be perceived as "being overboard"? I am willing to bet that most if not all of us in Avalon have been perceived well overboard in our personal lives by other people?

What I was calling for in my earlier post is whether people can point out provable flaws in his article, not so much possible or perceivable flaws in his person. Is it possible that the ones doing the perceiving let the perception misguide themselves into thinking that the actual message that David is relating is not worth the interest, because his way of representing things and possibly he himself has changed?

Just checking out John Trudell with great interest!

UT

[ljwheat]

****@Ultima Rhule****
I´ve been checking up on David for some years and yes there seems to be a change, but I wonder whether it could be compared to a profession change? If one is a accomplished carpenter but takes up smithery because feels that is needed at that particular time to get the job done - is the change something positive or negative or are we as spectators subject to expecting something particular of the person? Therefore assuming that he should not be a subject to change and we automatically assume that he needs a life preserver? That very well may be the case, but I feel that we should be open to the possibility that he knows what he is doing and why and may be very well guided to do so, although from outside his way might be perceived as "being overboard"? I am willing to bet that most if not all of us in Avalon have been perceived well overboard in our personal lives by other people?

What I was calling for in my earlier post is whether people can point out provable flaws in his article, not so much possible or perceivable flaws in his person. Is it possible that the ones doing the perceiving let the perception misguide themselves into thinking that the actual message that David is relating is not worth the interest, because his way of representing things and possibly he himself has changed?

Just checking out John Trudell with great interest!

UT

Indeed this is a very good possibility, perception ahhh "that’s the key". David stood alone in the beginning, researching, annualizing, correlating everything he could get his hands on almost 100 % provable fact in a lab or threw mathematics’ that anyone could do or resonate with, just take these step’s and wa la, validating others work or idea’s with uncanny accuracy.

The greatest Dot connector that’s come along in years, like John Trudell = David also was an activist showing how once put together his formulations could be brought about to its completion by anyone, that chose to do so. His validation came from coherency thinking and less on beliefs.

Now David is standing on more beliefs, and less coherent thinking. And the people he’s decided to stand next to and validate in the belief that hope in there idea’s, will shine us threw, when these very people are just opportunist’s-- serving self inflated interests that have long track records of instability and down right trickery. If you dress up like a bank robber and stand next to a real bank robber. Expect to be treated like a bank robber. Not that great of an analogy, but IMO,-- Mom said to me watch out who you hang around with. You’ll get judged for there idiocies in the long run.

You can’t hang out in a local bar all week, then on Sunday give a sermon. John xoxo.

[Davy]

I can honestly say,,, I dont know what to expect or even who to believe so,,, I Just try take it one day at a time and live in today. I trust my higher self and use my own inner guidence, to what I need to do when needed, I am prepared in my mind for many different things so when the proof is there and it effects my daily life, then I am ready to do what I need to do, then. And I do feel that We are going into a better time, of peace. After all we are moving into the age of Aquarius but just how rough of a transition will we have to endeavor to get there ??

[Maunagarjana]

I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.

Some of us are able to try on and take off belief systems at will, like we do with clothing. I've become pretty adept at this and can explore belief systems with detachment. I first started experimenting with this after reading Robert Anton Wilson's books. One thing I've learned from doing this is that there are certain things you simply wont be able to access without at least provisional belief. In many cases you don't even need to believe, just not actively disbelieve. The art of suspending disbelief temporarily in order to fully explore something without becoming trapped in it is a useful skill to learn. Kneejerk dismissal of everything that does not fit ones preconceptions does not lend well to knowing.

[mountain_jim]

I'm sure a lot of people will find meaning in his message , far less will ACT on it.

They'll 'believe' in his message but not address their belief systems or suspend them.

They'll resonate to it, it sounds good, they'll put a lot of meaning on it but in doing so they entirely miss the point. That is a call to action not a call to believe him. One literally has to detach themselves from their belief systems, belief is the template of how we are deceived.

The difference between belief and knowing.

Some of us are able to try on and take off belief systems at will, like we do with clothing. I've become pretty adept at this and can explore belief systems with detachment. I first started experimenting with this after reading Robert Anton Wilson's books. One thing I've learned from doing this is that there are certain things you simply wont be able to access without at least provisional belief. In many cases you don't even need to believe, just not actively disbelieve. The art of suspending disbelief temporarily in order to fully explore something without becoming trapped in it is a useful skill to learn. Kneejerk dismissal of everything that does not fit ones preconceptions does not lend well to knowing.

It was also Robert Anton Wilson's books that got me relating to belief systems like this. (see sig quote below) :)

[Maunagarjana]

It was also Robert Anton Wilson's books that got me relating to belief systems like this. (see sig quote below) :)


Right on, Jim. I like the quote. I try to consider possibilities rather than have beliefs. Obviously, some possibilities are more likely than others, but to my mind, that doesn't necessarily make them more valid. And yes, I do have my more favorite possibilities and my least favorite possibilities.

[gripreaper]

WILCOCK UPDATE TODAY !!!!!!!!!!

UPDATE SATURDAY 7/28: POWERFUL THINGS GOING ON

I had hoped to finish uploading the rest of this investigation on Wednesday -- but was not able to do so.

The investigation itself is still transforming -- on a variety of levels.

Powerful events have taken place -- some very positive, and some definitely negative. None of them have affected me personally. I am safe and my associates are safe.

Benjamin Fulford did not post an update this week, causing alarm for his readers -- but I can confirm that he is OK. I do not know when he will resume posting, but hopefully soon.

I found out that two more massive false-flag attempts have been thwarted by Divine Intervention -- at least so far. Either one of these would have been provocative enough to immediately start World War III.

At this time there is still an old, mothballed destroyer in the Persian Gulf that is wired up with charges set to go off -- and be blamed on Iran. However, the charges will not go off and the effort has been a failure.

There have been many frantic attempts to set up false-flag events like this, and none of them have been working -- since August of last year, if not earlier.

I also found out, from insider contacts, that James Holmes was NOT supposed to have ended up in court, alive, pleading amnesia and looking totally disoriented.

The Cabal is horrified by the fact that this was a "botched job", and so many people are waking up to the idea of mind control that it is becoming widely known -- and only hastening their downfall.

There are plenty of movies that spell out how this is done -- and the public is waking up to it much faster than they ever had expected.

Other significant events have happened as well. Since returning from Chicago I have needed to stop and breathe, get some sleep and live a normal life for a few days.

I am getting close to being rested up enough to dive back in to complex production work like this again -- and my goal is to publish as soon as certain issues work themselves out and find resolution.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1066-great-revealing

Nice to know that the USS Enterprise, the first nuclear aircraft carrier sitting like a duck in the Persian Gulf, has not been blown up and blamed on Iran.

[9eagle9]

David himself being a false flag.

Takes one to know one.

[Kimberley]

FYI...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179995/A-mass-shooting-happens-FIVE-days-America-Interactive-map-shows-gun-violence-epidemic-sweeping-nation.html

[Kimberley]

David himself being a false flag.

Takes one to know one.

I just want the record to note that you 9eagle are such a curmudgeon to me... I have not used the ignore app that is available on this forum toward you... however I do my best to ignore you 9eagle because you sure do push my buttons and since that is the case I realize that since you push my buttons that there is for me to learn something and grow from that experience... I admit I still have not learned the lesson that you are there trying to teach me... I am so looking forward to the day that I can share what lesson you have been trying to teach me... :-) Thank you!

[David Trd1]

I am of the persuasion that wilcock believes wholeheartedly that this is happening in real time.And he backs up alot of what he says with well sourced data,the corporate data in his latest article post is a good case in point,it was published in new scientist some time ago(the original study that is).

Also something very real is going on here with regards to the banking institutions,resignations,cases being brought and even arrests in minor cases.
this thread is quite informative on the subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World

But its the divine intervention bit that dilutes the message,i suspect he is being taken for a ride in this respect as the only reference to this is word of mouth from un-named sources.True or not i don`t doubt the mans good intentions to inform with what he knows and to say he`s ''in it'' for the money in preposterous.

Everybody needs to make a living,everybody

The reason he is so popular is that his information(especially the books)resonate deeply with people and are quality publications and establish his bona-fides as being of high intellect and a good researcher.I agree his writings seem informative and slighty self-absorbed at the same time but at the end of the day he is just sharing what he believes to be true and is his journey.It is then up to us to use our discernment and find what pieces if any resonate.

Bashing the man for doing this is counter-productive.

everything in moderation, balance and understanding,this is where growth comes from and after all thats why we`re all here.

Peace

[Maunagarjana]

_ciWKdr-inY

[9eagle9]

This is refreshing Kimberley , this is the first authentic statement you've ever made without making empty sentiments about love. I really appreciate an honest expression of disgruntlement rather than a fake expression of love.

If you have buttons pushed you something you need to address internally. This may be because you, by your own self admission, like to view yourself as non judgmental, non critical and loving everyone , and that program sort of breaks down when I'm around and you suddenly find yourself assigning labels, and blaming me for having your buttons pushed, (they are YOUR buttons after all, you'd think you'd have some control over them) so you are confronted with the fact perhaps that you are not as all loving, non critical, and non judgmental as you like to believe. That is a lesson that a lot of people have to confront--they are not precisely who they believe they are. That is the core of the world's problems actually--we've been led to believe something about ourselves that isn't true. We tend to ignore this, which is why the ignore app is so handy.

Life is garden but not necessarily a bed of roses.

As far as your information, one shouldn't automatically believe what a lobbying group has to say so I hardly can regard your link as information . This is called becoming 'politically' aware. Which is not the same as 'spiritually' aware I suspect that a lobbying group is not precisely pushing for your best interests.

Or anyone elses.










David himself being a false flag.

Takes one to know one.

I just want the record to note that you 9eagle are such a curmudgeon to me... I have not used the ignore app that is available on this forum toward you... however I do my best to ignore you 9eagle because you sure do push my buttons and since that is the case I realize that since you push my buttons that there is for me to learn something and grow from that experience... I admit I still have not learned the lesson that you are there trying to teach me... I am so looking forward to the day that I can share what lesson you have been trying to teach me... :-) Thank you!

[9eagle9]

People do need to create or make a living. Or you die...lol. Creating a living is not just money intake. People who keep themselves on an even financial keel can still be in 'survival' mode. One is bringing in money simply to continue going through the motions or mimicking life.

At the heart of it people have an interior drive to feel productive, like they are producing something MEANINGFUL. Why so many people are unhappy in their employment, being able to push or produce a lot of paper into the 'out' box is not meaningful to them. They are just going through the motions and not expressing anything into the physical world in a meaningful way. Nor do they get a meaningful return out of it.

The wealthy elite controllers have very empty non productive lives. There's no reason to produce or create a living --the energies they invest themselves with are an imitation of spirit or life.

And David would like us all to emulate that by having everything handed to us? Well be handed several metric tons of gold and the Federal Reserve will just empty itself into your bank account.

It is not only possible but reality to have the universe produce for you, through you but what David peddles isn't manifestation but a means of adopting the same sort of non productive , non meaningful mindsets the ptb have.

I don't find this the least suprising since it's apparent he's leveraged by these same mindsets. The ptb targets 'swell' people because people do have at least enough sense to avoid those people who are overtly sinister..lol.

Not to mention he's doing a swell job at convincing people that 'data' collection from external sources is 'psychic'.


I am of the persuasion that wilcock believes wholeheartedly that this is happening in real time.And he backs up alot of what he says with well sourced data,the corporate data in his latest article post is a good case in point,it was published in new scientist some time ago(the original study that is).

Also something very real is going on here with regards to the banking institutions,resignations,cases being brought and even arrests in minor cases.
this thread is quite informative on the subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World

But its the divine intervention bit that dilutes the message,i suspect he is being taken for a ride in this respect as the only reference to this is word of mouth from un-named sources.True or not i don`t doubt the mans good intentions to inform with what he knows and to say he`s ''in it'' for the money in preposterous.

Everybody needs to make a living,everybody

The reason he is so popular is that his information(especially the books)resonate deeply with people and are quality publications and establish his bona-fides as being of high intellect and a good researcher.I agree his writings seem informative and slighty self-absorbed at the same time but at the end of the day he is just sharing what he believes to be true and is his journey.It is then up to us to use our discernment and find what pieces if any resonate.

Bashing the man for doing this is counter-productive.

everything in moderation, balance and understanding,this is where growth comes from and after all thats why we`re all here.

Peace

[modwiz]

People do need to create or make a living. Or you die...lol. Creating a living is not just money intake. People who keep themselves on an even financial keel can still be in 'survival' mode. One is bringing in money simply to continue going through the motions or mimicking life.

At the heart of it people have an interior drive to feel productive, like they are producing something MEANINGFUL. Why so many people are unhappy in their employment, being able to push or produce a lot of paper into the 'out' box is not meaningful to them. They are just going through the motions and not expressing anything into the physical world in a meaningful way. Nor do they get a meaningful return out of it.

The wealthy elite controllers have very empty non productive lives. There's no reason to produce or create a living --the energies they invest themselves with are an imitation of spirit or life.

And David would like us all to emulate that by having everything handed to us? Well be handed several metric tons of gold and the Federal Reserve will just empty itself into your bank account.

It is not only possible but reality to have the universe produce for you, through you but what David peddles isn't manifestation but a means of adopting the same sort of non productive , non meaningful mindsets the ptb have.

I don't find this the least suprising since it's apparent he's leveraged by these same mindsets. The ptb targets 'swell' people because people do have at least enough sense to avoid those people who are overtly sinister..lol.

Not to mention he's doing a swell job at convincing people that 'data' collection from external sources is 'psychic'.


I am of the persuasion that wilcock believes wholeheartedly that this is happening in real time.And he backs up alot of what he says with well sourced data,the corporate data in his latest article post is a good case in point,it was published in new scientist some time ago(the original study that is).

Also something very real is going on here with regards to the banking institutions,resignations,cases being brought and even arrests in minor cases.
this thread is quite informative on the subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World

But its the divine intervention bit that dilutes the message,i suspect he is being taken for a ride in this respect as the only reference to this is word of mouth from un-named sources.True or not i don`t doubt the mans good intentions to inform with what he knows and to say he`s ''in it'' for the money in preposterous.

Everybody needs to make a living,everybody

The reason he is so popular is that his information(especially the books)resonate deeply with people and are quality publications and establish his bona-fides as being of high intellect and a good researcher.I agree his writings seem informative and slighty self-absorbed at the same time but at the end of the day he is just sharing what he believes to be true and is his journey.It is then up to us to use our discernment and find what pieces if any resonate.

Bashing the man for doing this is counter-productive.

everything in moderation, balance and understanding,this is where growth comes from and after all thats why we`re all here.

Peace

9eagle, you are such a curmudgeon. Want to have tea? :spit:

[meeradas]

9eagle, you are such a curmudgeon.

She's heading here (http://grumpy-people.com/isoc-hall-of-fame.php)...

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[observer]

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grip,

I, for one, certainly do resonate with your sarcastic point of view in regard to this Wilcock sort of nonsense.

It's against the rules of the forum to come into a thread and grab any of the members by the scruff of their lapel, jack them up against the wall, and bitch-slap them into waking-up by presenting information contrary to the topic within any given thread, i.e. creating a debate with the topic. That's called 'derailing the thread', and it will get you kicked-out of the website.

I personally feel, it is a necessary part of the art of communication - from time to time. God forbid, one should be politically incorrect in these times of Mass Confusion.

It has been my observation, most of the species are just not ready to hear, what I refer to as, my mantra:

"Everything we think we understand is part of a bigger lie, and the lie is different at every level of understanding"

Most individuals hearing this observation, only hear the opening muted trumpet introduction:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrsjo5V5qs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrsjo5V5qs

:offtopic:

.... so put me in that list of curmudgeons, right next to 9eagle9.

:focus:

Keep-up the excellent work, grip....