Ayahuasca

[Marsila]

Sorry if this was posted before but i did not see it.
To say this is just about Ecuadorian shamans does not do it justice. It sheds more light about the 'war on drugs', just how deep the damage the oil companies operating in the Amazon are causing, and how we really lost touch with nature. But mostly about the Ayahuasca plant which helps the pineal release DMT...a substance that in our times now, it only releases at birth and death of a person.

Just under an hour but well worth the watch, and such a simple statement near the end from a frustrated young indigenous man, with all the truth.

"materialism is finishing our world"

http://youtu.be/_4RkOsLxoT4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4RkOsLxoT4&feature=related

[WhiteFeather]

Wanishi....,Watching it Now. Mckenna was a trip to say the least. Would be great if you could purchase Auyasca in a health food store.

[Marsila]

Wanishi....,Watching it Now. Mckenna was a trip to say the least. Would be great if you could purchase Auyasca in a health food store.

LOL well that will be the day, when tools to be 'free' are more available.. Interesting though how all these types of plants were not only banned...but even research on them was banned.

Better than them being available in health stores, wouldn't it be greater if the knowledge of these natives, could be found everywhere...instead of the petrol companies being found everywhere.

It's amazing though how he accurately knew what kind of sickness the guy has, and what gender his baby is going to be, without even asking the woman to drink that stuff, and without any 'technology'.

[Karunai]

Thank you for sharing this video. I remember I've read a while ago an Ayahuasca Manifesto, your vid reminded me of it. It was originally written in Spanish, now I've found they've translated it to English and Portuguese as well. Here it is in case someone would like to read it http://ayahuasqueros.com/awp/manifesto/ (hover the mouse over the Manifesto Tab)

Here's a nice quote from that site by the way:


"Enlightenment is not a goal to achieve or an idea to grasp. It is the timeless presence that you already are..."

[Camilo]

http://youtu.be/nWPUNUYTyKM


Filmed and Directed by Gavin Searle

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Alexandra Bruce
October 10, 2012

When I was in High School in Brazil, one of my aunts was a member of the religious group called Uniao do Vegetal. My grandmother described what their meetings were like. There were children everywhere and everyone there helped to chop and boil the tough jungle vines and roots to make ayahuasca tea.

The members of this group were largely conservative, including members of the military. They would gather together with their families and other church members on a regular basis to mash up and boil down the tough jungle vines and roots to make ayahuasca tea.

They imbibe the tea in order to experience increased concentration and spiritual communion. It is a group experience that is had within the bosom of their tight-knit families and communities.

This is an unusual scenario, in which modern, Western people adhere to a Native American approach to this sacrament. Members of Uniao do Vegetal do not imbibe the tea for purposes of intoxication but instead to achieve spiritual clarity and mental focus.

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Uploaded by IAMHOSSERHEMP420
July 14, 2011

Lost in the heart of the Peruvian Amazon, there is a vine that is said to talk to humans, giving an understanding to the secrets of life. The custodians of this plant are the medicine men, or shamans. The divine does not give up its secrets easily.

It appears the botany of the plant is only half the story. To know it fully, you must experience its effects. Ever since he discovered the talking plants, studying human sciences at University, he has experienced with the hallucinogenic flora. British plants are one thing, but in the Amazon they use Banisteriopsis caapi, or Ayahuasca, for their therapy and it's a strong medicine. The bitter Ayahuasca brew first makes its drinker violently sick, but it's in the fierce and often terrifying hallucinations that follow that the healing is said to lie. But Ayahuasca doesn't work on its own, rather it acts as a key to unlock the psychotropic qualities of another plant, and it's this plant that Piers is after. (Excerpt from film)

Please visit the official website for more information:
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[Fred Ryan]

I've wanted to travel to South America to try Ayahusca for quite some time. There are numerious resorts in Columbia, Peru, Ecuador and Brazil that provide Ayahuasca rituals; however, it appears that not all are equal. Recently, here in the San Francisco area, an 18-year old boy traveled to Peru to drink Ayahuasca then never returned home. The family spent quite a bit of time and money trying to find out what happened and it turns out that he had died during a ritual and the resort owners tried to cover up the death by burying his body in the jungle. The owner then told both authorities and family that he had left the resort and he didn't know what happened to him (full story linked below).

I still plan on drinking Ayahuasca some day; however, I'm going to do my research carefully.

http://sebastopol.towns.pressdemocrat.com/2012/09/news/sebastopol-teen-died-in-peru-trying-to-further-open-his-mind/

[Dawn]

I posted a thread earlier this year about my exorcism in Peru using ayahuasca here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49453-My-Exorcism-and-Healing-in-Peru

I agree with you that the purpose of this is spiritual clarity. In Peru they are very definite in calling it a medicine.. NOT a drug! This is important information for those seeking clarity or seeking to be free of trapped mental and emotional patterns. I also am of the opinion that this should be taken when in the jungle where the plants grow naturally. This is an important point because when you take these plants into your body, the actual living plants in the jungle seem to combine their consciousness with yours. I know of many people in the United States who illegally have taken this, however I do not believe their link to the plants can possibly be as strong and clear as it would be if they were in the jungle.


Fred C: I still plan on drinking Ayahuasca some day; however, I'm going to do my research carefully.

I agree, Fred... I did a lot of research. I was very happy with my experience since the retreat center I chose in Peru is run by Scott, a University of Berkely trained psychologist. Many other wise psychologists and psychiatrists send their most deeply troubled patients to this center. Here is the link; www.refugioaltiplano.com

[mosquito]

...I still plan on drinking Ayahuasca some day; however, I'm going to do my research carefully....

Peru, in particular abounds with places but unfortunately, in the last 10 years or so, as ayahuasca tourism has increased, the number of charlatans has also increased. The centre which Dawn went to I can personally vouch for, and I'd also recomend you consider visiting centres run by indigenous people, although you still aren't certain of a genuine experience.

My first experience with this powerful medicine was with the Santo Daime community in Brazil. They don't (at least they didn't) accept "tourists" or adventurers, so there is less chance of being conned or dosed with impurities. The only down-side is that they've basically incorporated ayahuasca into a christian belief system. That said, they remain the only "spiritual" community I've personally encountered which comes close to walking their talk; my all too brief time with them was beautiful.

[Orobo]

It is not so much ayahuasca in a christian belief system, but an incorporation of christian elements in ayahuasca rituals.

Ayahuasca is not a drug, it is a sacrament and medicine working on many levels. Physical and non physical. The cool thing about it is that it can work in many different settings and rituals.

Uniao do Vegetal is like sitting down on comfy chairs and listening to someone talking (roughly said of course).

Santo Daime is standing in circles (strictly organised) and dancing three different simple styles while singing hinarios ( hymnes).

The indians have Padjelanta, drinking the Uní. While walking in circles they sing about every day things and address all those that are there. Sometimes connected to treatments with frog medicine (not the hallucinogenic ( Buffo) one, but Kambó, the one that cleans out the system big time on both ends. But sure, gives faint visions of non physical helpers to some sometimes)

With the shamans you sit in the dark, while the shaman leads the people through the ceremony summoning his personal connections in the spirit realm. Often he/she has helpers from the astral plane connected to him/her.

There is probably many more ways of setting up a ceremony that I have not tried. It shows different ways of usage to different people. The plants themselves show the way. That´s how styles get born. It seems that all rituals/ceremonies deal with the astral plane and helpers (maybe not all of them, but the sacred space that is created/the shaman repels the not so kind ones mostly).

Mostly ayahuasca is a tea with the standard liana ( B.Caapi) mixed with the bush (chakruna, different types of Psychotria) cooked for hours. Many different other plants can be mixed in to tweak the function. This is mostly the shamans who do that. Most adhere to the two-plant brew.

Ayahuasca can clean out the physical system also, as many vomit while going through latent troubles from this, or other lives.

The cool thing is that it seems not to "allow" for recreational use. It stops working and people lose interest. Kinda fun I think. Buzz off, you´re a tourist...hahaha.

I have never come across episodes where people have died, since it has no toxicity as for example Ibogaine has.
Maybe it was a mix with one of the plants that have poisonous effects like Datura... who knows. Can be whatever, since the jungle holds many a thing not-so-friendly-to the-body for us northern whiteys, as I found out.

Anyways, My system got cleaned out big time and I don´t care for alcohol anymore, the wish for intoxication just disappeared. I think also on a bodily level. Typical ayahuasca. Got to love the stuff.
They were treating addicts there in the jungle where I was at the time. Cocaine, alcohol...whatever.

Just make sure you hook up with some bonafide people and you´ll be allright. Nothing to be scared of. You will be more scared of you´re own fright you infuse yourself with on a daily level, because you will be confronted with that. And that is the whole point of it. Peeling layers.

Anyways, have fun.

Love, O.

Edit;
Yeah sure, the vomiting and heavy hallucinations get often portrayed with big words, but it is just a small percentage of the people I have seen that showed any sing of freaking out.
It is about letting go, giving yourself wholly to the experience.
Yeah, like life should be.But, now there´s a teacher with you/in you who won´t let your A.R.-control system run the show.

[andrewgreen]

I wouldn't worry whether its a labelled drug or medicine as both have become media stereo types and its debatable which one is actually better anyway. Various authors have argued the psychedelic experience (of which make mistake is part of the Ayahuasca experience) is direct religious experience where we can reconnect with nature. As we moved away from the sybiotic relationships we have with nature to the current dominator societies religions have developed on the dogma of those past direct experiences.

The indigenous tribes of the Amazon have kept the sacred knowledge so that its now becoming available to everyone. Ayahuasca is not the only gateway to a higher conciousness/knowledge and healing in the plant world though. Nature has provided us with almost infinite ways to do this thats its almost inevitable would would find our way back on to this path.

[The One]

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Depression, anxiety, and addiction are among the most common illnesses that plague the western world today. It seems that every second person is either taking some form of anti-depressant or self-medicating themselves with alcohol or recreational drugs. This occurrence can be viewed in all age groups; the idea of escaping problems using the common vices previously mentioned. It seems as though our overall health and well-being are no longer in the interests of the health care system, when a person of any age can walk into a doctor’s office and attain a prescription to antidepressants. It’s time to take a step back to look inside ourselves to find out where these issues are coming from. Are any of these substances or so called medications serving us, or allowing us to find peace within ourselves? For centuries ancient cultures from around the world have taken the naturopathic approach to healing their ailments, and it’s this concept of utilizing nature that western society has moved away from that might be one of our biggest downfalls. Deep within the Amazonian jungles, a traditional plant based medicine called ayahuasca has been used throughout their culture’s history to cure any known illnesses. In recent years, this form of medicine has found its way to North American culture, and is gaining widespread attention from many medical professionals.

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So what is ayahuasca? Traditionally, it is a tea or brew made from the combination of the vines and leaves of certain plants from the Amazonian jungle. This tea is brewed by what is described as a “shaman”. Shamans are considered the medicinal doctors of the native cultures in South America. These people are said to have the ability to communicate with the spirit world, and during an ayahuasca ceremony the shaman uses these abilities to help the participants through their journey with the plant medicine. It is unknown how long these ancient cultures have been using this alternative form of medicine. The first recorded usage of ayahuasca in western society was made in 1851 by a famous European scientist named Richard Spruce. Archaeological evidence suggests that native plant use dates back thousands of years.

Ayahuasca is considered a sacred practice by the natives of South America, and the tea is usually ingested in a group setting using a ceremonial approach. The ceremony is led by the Shaman, and the participants usually include people from all walks of life. Academic researchers have taken interest in this sacred practice in recent years, exploring the idea of using ayahuasca to treat depression, anxiety, or even drug addiction. These scientists are finding their way to the amazon to take part in these ceremonies to expand their own awareness of foreign medicine in hopes to take what they have learned back to America. National Geographic has written articles on the plant based medicine; even David Suzuki has explored the idea in his CBC program “The Nature of Things”. It is clear that the North American science community is beginning to realize that our current approach to therapy is no longer serving the masses.

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So you may be wondering what an ayahuasca experience entails? Usually a participant agrees to take part in an ayahuasca ceremony because there are either physical or emotional issues that need to be dealt with, or sometimes the intent behind participating can simply be to attain knowledge of self. These mental issues can vary from traumas such as abuse, depression in the teenage or adult years, drug and alcohol addictions, and so on and so forth. The participant is required to go on a strict diet, called a “dieta”, the week before their experience. This cleanse allows for the body to rid itself of dangerous toxins that may interfere with the effects of ayahuasca, and it also allows for the mind to be clear and ready for what the medicine will teach its user. Traditionally, the ceremony will take place within the amazon, although it is becoming common for trained shamans to travel to Canada or the United States, bringing the medicine to local communities for people who are not able to commute. The brew is usually taken after the Sun has set, and so the group of participants meet beforehand to introduce themselves to the rest of the party and to the shaman leading the ceremony. Once settled in, the ceremony commences as one by one each person drinks the amount of ayahuasca decided by the shaman that will be necessary for their healing journey. After the participant has drunk the ayahuasca, they return to their bed and begin their solitary meditation for the rest of the evening. Ayahuasca brings its user into an altered state of consciousness, which can seem frightening at first, however the shaman and other helpers are there to guide and aid people if they are going through a difficult experience. It’s through this altered state of consciousness that the ayahuasca users become aware of mental or emotional traumas that have been affecting them at a subconscious level, whether it is abuse, substance addiction or so on. It is said that when someone takes ayahuasca, the spirit of the plant manifests through the guide of the shaman, and it is this spirit who helps teach and heal the participants throughout the ceremony. The ayahuasca ceremony can bring up difficult experiences, and it is common that when someone is dealing with a difficult memory that in order to heal they will expel bad energies in the form of purging, crying, yawning, or even defecating. The more difficult experience a person goes through, the more they are healing and shedding themselves of the ghosts of their past. During the ceremony, the shaman may feel that someone needs personal attention, and can do one-on-one healing work with that person. In the tradition of the ayahuasca culture, the shamans will chant sacred hymns throughout the ceremony to guide the participants through their journey, which can last anywhere from 2-6 hours. After the effects of the plant medicine have worn off, the patient is usually exhausted and will need to sleep; it is in the following day and days to come that they will feel like a new person, having shed any unnecessary emotional and physical weight that they have been carrying. The participant carries with them a new level of awareness that has ultimately changed their life forever. It is said that the amount of healing one can gain through only a few nights of drinking ayahuasca is equivalent to the amount of healing one would receive from years of psychotherapy.

What has happened to North American culture that has made us think that we are separate from nature? What has caused us to think that synthetically created drugs or alcohol can solve our problems? These are important questions which must begin to be addressed during this time. Stats Canada states that 8 % of Canadian adults suffer from depression. The pharmaceutical industry brings in billions of dollars a year, and the alcohol industry is not far behind that number. Perhaps the indigenous cultures that recognize that we are a part of nature, and who understand that nature has the ability to restore our health and well-being, are more ahead of the game than we know. Western society is now beginning to explore the concept of alternative medicine and is starting to accept that the way in which we are dealing with illnesses are no longer serving the masses. With these new alternatives such as ayahuasca being utilized, perhaps we are on the brink of a new era of health empowerment and a new era of self-awareness like never seen before.

Link here (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/03/07/ayahuasca-a-new-approach-to-western-medicine/)

[virtusvelox]

Thank you for the great piece on aya, one question that haunts me is, the sense of wellness an warmth that I get from my sessions with psilopsybin in the past, is it the same form with aya?
For whatever reason, my efforts to come to aya prepared, have caused me to see that the teacher, if you will, are not the same. They aren't at odds either, it seems to me, just different tools, perhaps is a better term for me to use.

If I'm understanding the huge amount of info out there, don't brew aya alone. Is this correct?
I had no such cautions concerning psilopsybin, hahaa probably the temerity of youth. A bit of Aldous Huxley thrown in for good measure and a grand time was had by all, for months!

My friend and I will be traveling to Ashland Or and other hotspots in the universe, gathering our mental strength to ask of Gaia that which she'd have us know.
Sounds pretty damned presumptuous to me to think I have anything that Gaia may want me to know, but the sense just will not leave me alone. She gently asks, add? Add what? Now comes the presumptuous part, that her letting me understand more will add to the overall good of our biosphere. I just know better than to approach sources of knowledge with my version of ego.
Hell, the cleaning up of my eating habits was a journey in itself!

Again, thank you for the great article.

[Octavusprime]

Just a little more info on the active ingredient DMT:

DMT is the common name for the hallucinogenic drug N,N-dimethyltryptamine, otherwise known by its scientific name 3-[2-(dimethylamino)ethyl]indole. It is also the root chemical structure for a number of other natural and synthetic hallucinogenic tryptamines, including psilocin, psilocybin, and 5-MeO-DMT, as well as the root structure for other drugs and important chemicals, such as the anti-migraine drug sumatriptan.

DMT is found naturally in the mammalian brain and is theorized to play an important role in thought processing, dreaming and near-death experiences, as well as meditation and out-of-body experiences such as astral-projection. When smoked or ingested in combination with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), DMT induces an intense hallucinogenic and psychedelic state.

Source: http://drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=DMT

[Bill Ryan]

A bit of Aldous Huxley thrown in for good measure and a grand time was had by all, for months!



Aldous Huxley's classic book was called The Doors of Perception. (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doors_of_Perception&sa=U&ei=pcndUfWfAa_HywGz4IGYDg&ved=0CBgQFjAA&sig2=3U4eP0Z23Jh7jmnRQToA1g&usg=AFQjCNFromn3Ge_Emg_EYjZpfSzHg3sZoQ)

But be careful. The problem is that when the doors are open, you may not have a guard at the door, and all kinds of stuff can get in (including tricksters, who assure you that they are not).

It's a little like throwing a party in your apartment which is right on Main Street, and opening the doors hoping that you'll have some wonderful strangers show up. (After all, you might even meet the love of your life.)

But others, not so well-intentioned, may come in as well, or instead. I have had personal experience of someone who was totally taken over after an Ayahuasca experience. Someone else was in there. Not him any more.

This is why one absolutely has to know what one is doing (and already be in very solid spiritual shape) before embarking on an adventure like that. Or else, you just may not come back.

[donk]

I love this interview on it....careful those with virgin ears: lots of f-bombs and bad language:

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[Youniverse]

Perhaps one could try clearing the chakras before deciding to try ayahuasca? Just a thought. We've actually discussed this topic several times here on Avalon and I'm always interested. I found the book DMT - The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman to be very fascinating and provocative. So far, I've found that the most natural way for me to 'progress spiritually,' is to meditate, contemplate spiritual teachings, and other less drastic spiritual practices. Of course, the kind of spiritual practices one engages in depends a great deal on the culture one is brought up in. If I grew up in a Amazonian village I might see Ayahuasca as the most natural thing to use for spiritual insights, healing, and so on. From what I have gathered so far, regarding DMT and any psychedelics for that matter, I would echo Bill's advice on knowing what one is doing with it. Do your research and find someone you can trust. Also find a Shaman or someone with a great deal of experience with DMT. I feel that there may be many potentially powerful and transforming applications for DMT use.

[bel]

I'm so happy there is a thread about this!!

I was in the jungles of Colombia and ended up stumbling across the most incredible shaman, Lucho Florez. It was all by coinsidences that I ended up at his maloca in the middle of July last year. I stayed with him for over a week and had 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies. It was a LIFE CHANGING experience for me, something that just cannot be described in words. I was singing, and dancing, and I even began drawing. If your interested in seeing how it effected me, here is my website with my artwork, inspired completely by the beautiful, pure spirit of Ayahuasca: http://www.magentamood.com/

However, I don't believe it is for everyone.. and only should be done by a true, genuine shaman. It is a reality crushing, truth defining, eternal and everlasting experience.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Bel! :)

I have a great respect for the value you hold for your personal experience.

I've never taken drugs in my life, but I'd venture to say that my mind is fairly wide open. There are other techniques which work extremely well, but none of them are shortcuts.

Read the brilliant and classic THE MASTER GAME (http://amazon.com/Master-Game-Robert-S-Deropp/dp/0385286325), by Robert S. de Ropp.

The book describes (among much else) how for many first-time users of mind-expanding drugs, they find themselves propelled into an astonishing and unique experience.

The trap, de Ropp explains, is to continue taking the drug thinking that this is the path to follow. It rarely is. The internal biochemical responses become gradually more limited until one is [at least] emotionally addicted to trying to re-experience the initial breakthrough.

Here's a quote from one Amazon reviewer:


Don't let the subtitle "Transcending the drug experience" alienate those who are too young to remember psychedelia.

The Master Game is not about using drugs; it's about going beyond them to personal enlightenment.

It details the games people play [much like Eric Berne (http://www.ericberne.com/Games_People_Play.htm)] then it defines the Master Game: one in which the person is not so involved with their life that their view is blinded by personal situations, much like Dyer's observer.

If you got beyond the drugs in Castaneda, you can discover the genius of The Master Game. It is truly a book to base your attitude on.
Re ayahusaca in particular, I know someone personally here in Ecuador who has over-used ayahuasca and as a summary it can be said that he is "no longer himself." It seems that there is another being in his body now, and he is no longer at home.

Be very careful... you can open the door to anything, and anything may come in and make itself very much at home. After that, it can be difficult or even almost impossible to get it to go back where it came from.

[norman]

Divisive/devisive enlightenment is the path already taken by those we recognise as those of the darkness.

[Olam]

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Hi, Bel! :)

I have a great respect for the value you hold for your personal experience.

I've never taken drugs in my life, but I'd venture to say that my mind is fairly wide open. There are other techniques which work extremely well, but none of them are shortcuts.

Read the brilliant and classic THE MASTER GAME (http://amazon.com/Master-Game-Robert-S-Deropp/dp/0385286325), by Robert S. de Ropp.

The book describes (among much else) how for many first-time users of mind-expanding drugs, they find themselves propelled into an astonishing and unique experience.

The trap, de Ropp explains, is to continue taking the drug thinking that this is the path to follow. It rarely is. The internal biochemical responses become gradually more limited until one is [at least] emotionally addicted to trying to re-experience the initial breakthrough.

Here's a quote from one Amazon reviewer:


Don't let the subtitle "Transcending the drug experience" alienate those who are too young to remember psychedelia.

The Master Game is not about using drugs; it's about going beyond them to personal enlightenment.

It details the games people play [much like Eric Berne (http://www.ericberne.com/Games_People_Play.htm)] then it defines the Master Game: one in which the person is not so involved with their life that their view is blinded by personal situations, much like Dyer's observer.

If you got beyond the drugs in Castaneda, you can discover the genius of The Master Game. It is truly a book to base your attitude on.
Re ayahusaca in particular, I know someone personally here in Ecuador who has over-used ayahuasca and as a summary it can be said that he is "no longer himself." It seems that there is another being in his body now, and he is no longer at home.

Be very careful... you can open the door to anything, and anything may come in and make itself very much at home. After that, it can be difficult or even almost impossible to get it to go back where it came from.

Just like every other mind expanding drug, if its not used in the proper way, it can have devastating effects.
I will comment a bit more as I myself have done 5 ayahuasca sessions and it cured me from a life long "problem" I had..
I really don't think you can become an addict to ayahuasca as its just so difficult to do, but yes, if you are not well accompanied by an acomplished ayascuero(forgive my spelling), you can end up inhabited or "followed around" by malevolent entities.
So here is my small story to help explain the above...

You can do the aya in many places around the world these days, even if its only legal in Peru.
The problem with that is not really the quality of the drink, but rather the lack of devotion and understanding from everyone concerned at what they are actually doing.
When I went to Peru , I chose to be in the sacred valley in the village of Pisac.
The amazon jungle was too stuffy and dense for me, I prefered to do my thing up high surrounded by the mountains and fresh air.....
This for me was a major detail.
Then I was lucky to be directed from trusted friends to a great shaman, who only did small groups and was very well prepared as well as very respecting of the sacredness of the ceremony. His 3rd eye fully open, was there when you needed him during the wee hours of the night.
We all go thru moments of sheer terror, where you think you will die, or feel like evil is close at hand.
The good shaman will be there to sing icaros to help you pass this terrible moment.
Then its total bliss, having put aside the ego that was scared of dying, you go back to source, pure love, you are no longer an individual, just all that is, which is pure love.
Difficult to explain otherwise.
Now one night, I met this man, he had done 1 sessions in the jungle a few days passed.
His shaman was not really a shaman,
SO anyway, this man was setup for the night in a small jungle hut, alone, all night.
He was harrased no end by very bad entities, they drained his soul energy out of him.
The shaman never showed up and this poor man suffered pure hell all night.
Technically, he was not able to transend the extreme fear we all get when the ego thinks its dying.
So this man showed up and joined our group as he had heard this was the place to be for the best healing possible.
When I met him, he was like a very young child, broken, completely cut in pieces, could hardly speak without sobbing.
We as a group took care of him in the 2 sessions he had with us.
When I say we took care of him, it was basically us connecting with him before the ceremony and then just our presence in the room with him during the night was all the support he needed.
The shaman took good care of him too and so he was able to get back some soul pieces that had been stolen, ripped of of him.
The work he did was just to get back together, that was his intention for the night, nothing else.
I have to say, he was not the same man I met, but he was more of himself, more of his essence was there
great,great soul, lots of love to give, so gentle, I was happy to see the light back in his eyes.

Now I say all this just to mention that yes ayahuasca can be detrimental to you, but only if you don't do it right.
If your intention is good and honest, if the intention of the shaman is good and honest, if the respect is there for the plant and its powers
all is of the gretest help.
Things go bad if you mess with this power and don't understand what you will go thru.
One last detail, some nights in that circular room, it would get hot,
I asked my shaman if we could open some windows.
He absolutley refused that, he mentioned that his environment is controlled, that he sings the icaros that bring light to all that is shed by the participants.
If the windows were open, that was too much to control as some entities, spirits would come in by the open windows and it would be difficult for him to keep total control of the sacred space.

[toad]

Ayahuasca was for me one of the many most beautiful experiences in my life, DMT is one hell of a drug.

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[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ayahuasca was for me one of the many most beautiful experiences in my life, DMT is one hell of a drug.

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;)Iboga;), loved it;)

[dianna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcNS3zRrqJU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5roC0kDgyow


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuDRcQFv6dA&feature=share&list=PLbzQReZ8tRjhBVAgAKeHpr4D5HLB1XDHa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwrL0brVmI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELSn0yDC6cs

[Sunny-side-up]

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

I've had european magic Mushrooms, and at the time anyone i knew wouldn't take them unless I prepared them, had them with them and stayed with them the whole trip, so I was their chosen trusted guardian!

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

Great post dianna thx

[TargeT]

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

I've had european magic Mushrooms, and at the time anyone i knew wouldn't take them unless I prepared them, had them with them and stayed with them the whole trip, so I was their chosen trusted guardian!

I wish I had experienced Ayahuasca.

Great post dianna thx

your still breathing, it's not too late ;)

[Olam]

Thank you for this!
I particularly loved Chris Kilhams explanation of the pure love and compassion experience as that is what I went thru practically on every session I did.
This has been with me ever since and so I can send back this love now to anyone, a newborn baby to some obnoxious drunk guy on the bus ride, we all are pure love from the start and all have this in us.
cheers

[Shane]

Sacred plants!! excellent.

Much like the discussions elsewhere this is a "tool" available to help us "clean" ourselves spiritually. The "spirit" of the body we live on lends (her)self to all things that grow (naturally) on her. We can glimpse this spirit with the use of various plants/substances. The positive effects can be witnessed through people who have used them. A documentary called "Stepping Into The Fire" is a great example. The subject shares his experience of learning about ayahuasca and the transition (metamorphosis) he enjoyed with the aide of this plant.

Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you.

Responsibility is the key theme in discussions on any "tools" for personal/spiritual healing. To borrow a slogan from another substance "enjoy responsibly".

[earthadvocate]

Even though I am not against the experience my opinion is there is too much empathis on the drug: Ayahuasca and not enough on shamanism and the spiritual journey, soon it will be another tourist trap, the Qero Elders (shaman) of the Andees of Peru do not use Ayahuasca in their ceremonies.

[Olam]

Even though I am not against the experience my opinion is there is too much empathis on the drug: Ayahuasca and not enough on shamanism and the spiritual journey, soon it will be another tourist trap, the Qero Elders (shaman) of the Andees of Peru do not use Ayahuasca in their ceremonies.
I can tell you with experience that anyone whom would want to use this just as a trippy drug without acknowledging the spiritual aspects of it will be kindly but boldly reminded by the ayahuasca itself that all this is not to be taken lightly.
Its frankly impossible for anyone to continue using this recreationally once they have undergone the lessons brought about by the medecine itself.
One night, we drank with some young guys who did not understand what they were getting into, they just wanted to trip out. They drank the same stuff I did yet they suffered a terrible night...
Insects coming out of them, eating them, all night. Huge snake showing up, tearing their limbs apart, on and on for hours.
The shaman had his time stolen from them as he had to stay with them to help out.
The next morning, I swear they were not the same persons, they now painfully had aquired wisdom that I think is still flowering in them today.
A big lesson was learned and so it was not all in vain, but wow, what a way to learn!

[Sunny-side-up]

Even though I am not against the experience my opinion is there is too much empathis on the drug: Ayahuasca and not enough on shamanism and the spiritual journey, soon it will be another tourist trap, the Qero Elders (shaman) of the Andees of Peru do not use Ayahuasca in their ceremonies.

Yes earthadvocate I would want the shaman present of course, the guide, the master on the trip!

[dianna]

OK, lets not go off the railz here ... some drugs are a gift from god (gaia?) --- we are all free to use them as we choose (or should be), with or without responsibility, shamans (a note from our docktor) --- sometimes with thought (preferable) or without --- any experience that does not threaten your life (or anyone else's) should be embraced --- (with that being said, see you all on "intervention") lol

[Vitalux]

Thanks for the post Dianna

Speaking directly from my own experience using ayahuasca, it gave me a quantum leap in spiritual awareness.

It tends to peal back the skin from this dimension and allow one to experience a different perspective of "where here is"


In my case, I had no frightening experiences while on ayahuasca, however I did have some wonderful chats with spiritual entities.
Prior to having this experience, I was too numb, dumb, asleep, and caught up in the delusions of Earth to be able to stop long enough to pull my head out of my butt and really notice this Earth Illusion.

We truly are in an amusement park. Suck up that fear, and shovel in some junk food :p

[blufire]

Respectfully . . .

There are already many PA threads discussing ayahuasca in great detail and I would suggest that those threads be visited and read.


Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you.

Respectfully . . . .

Ayahuasca is sacrosanct and deeply spiritual to those who know and understand fully what this concoction is and who have protected the wisdom for generations.

It is not a ‘tool’ to be used by those who idly wish to have a shallow spiritual journey or healing



OK, lets not go off the railz here ... some drugs are a gift from god (gaia?) --- we are all free to use them as we choose (or should be), with or without responsibility, shamans (a note from our docktor) --- sometimes with thought (preferable) or without --- any experience that does not threaten your life (or anyone else's) should be embraced --- (with that being said, see you all on "intervention") lol

Respectfully . . . . .

diana, what are the ingredients in an ayahuasca concoction? When do you harvest each of those components? In what proportion and at what time do you add each component when brewing? How long do you brew each component before adding the next and how do you know the brewing is complete? Which plant delivers the dmt and which contain the dmt and most of all which plant binds and melds the constituents from each of the sacred plant? Do you know how to prepare yourself before ingesting an ayahausca concoction?

I don’t fully know the answer to these questions and I have spent extended time an a Mayan village studying rainforest medicinal plants and am a seasoned herbalist of many years.

A true shaman knows these very vital things among other knowledge that only a true shaman will carry with him to his grave.


One night, we drank with some young guys who did not understand what they were getting into, they just wanted to trip out. They drank the same stuff I did yet they suffered a terrible night...
Insects coming out of them, eating them, all night. Huge snake showing up, tearing their limbs apart, on and on for hours.
The shaman had his time stolen from them as he had to stay with them to help out.

Respectfully . . . . A true shaman would not have given ayahuasca to young men such as these. A true shaman would never disrespect sacred wisdom in such a manner.

[dianna]

Hi blufire,

Respectfully ... I don't care for lectures from people who do not know me (where I have traveled, what drugs I consort with, experiences I have embraced, people on this thread (and their input) that are interesting etc. etc.) ... respectfully ... you are being disrespectful with your pedagogy

[Shane]

Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you.

Respectfully . . . .

Ayahuasca is sacrosanct and deeply spiritual to those who know and understand fully what this concoction is and who have protected the wisdom for generations.

It is not a ‘tool’ to be used by those who idly wish to have a shallow spiritual journey or healing



Respectfully.. Please read what I have typed. Without going as far with it as yourself, as to not discourage (or condescend to) anyone investigating, researching and considering, or setting the concoction up as something "above" anyone - we have made very similar statements. Perhaps my mistake would be assuming that whoever reads this post on this forum, is not looking for a "shallow spiritual journey or healing".

The shaman as well as the plant itself taught me what I have typed. "Tool" is the world I used, yes.. I did not state that it is a "‘tool’ to be used by those who idly wish to have a shallow spiritual journey or healing". Does the concoction itself heal you? Or do you have to take the experience and apply it? If you said no to the first but yes to the second, then "tool" is an appropriate word in that context. As I said.. The plant/concoction itself is not a "instant fix". I was warning against "idly" using the plant as a high or simple experience. As someone else pointed out. The shaman and the spirit of the plant protect against this.

I said.. as you quoted; "Like any other "tool" it is JUST a "tool" and not an "instant fix" or guaranteed solution. Actually, the plant will merely show you a path (or multiple paths) you can take to heal. As with so many other things, it is up to you to take responsibility, and walk the path shown to you."

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said.

[blufire]

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said

The fact that you use the word ‘plant’, as in, one singular ingredient tells me you have no idea what ayahuasca truly is.

Ayahuasca is a complex blend of several plants.

Read the other threads and you will understand what I mean.


respectfully ... you are being disrespectful with your pedagogy

I had to look up the word ‘pedagogy’. Yes I suppose you could say I am teaching because again I am a seasoned herbalist and have practiced professionally and personally for 30 years or more. I know to a very large extent of what I am speaking.

I can see how I would sound disrespectful, but it is difficult for me when I see topics such as this brought up when it is clear there is so little understanding of the scope of this sacred concoction. After spending extended time with the Mayan Indians I feel compelled to somehow protect what I was taught while with these incredible people.

Please read the other extensive threads on this topic.

This is all I will post on this thread.

[dianna]

wow ... once again ... quicksand ... lol

[Shane]

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said

The fact that you use the word ‘plant’, as in, one singular ingredient tells me you have no idea what ayahuasca truly is.

Ayahuasca is a complex blend of several

This is all I will post on this thread.

So we are splitting hairs on terms used. When it comes to plants, concoctions like this, I choose not to use plurals. "Plants" would have been accurate. Could have been a typo for all you know too ;). When I recall the experiences I have had, and the spirits I have met.. I am still very comfortable with what I have said.

In my experience, someone with experience, wouldn't be doing this.. But.. I suppose I should be reminded of that saying about assuming things. And.. It's disrespectful when dealing with other people who may have a different set of teachings or terminology, to assume.

I understand your sense of feeling protective. Truly I do and I admire that! You should still consider asking questions rather than making assumptions.

"Dracon do you believe this concoction to be just one plant as your wording indicates?"

"No blufire.. I can understand you thinking so based in what was typed.. But I call it a plant for a personal reason and yes I understand it is a concoction very well."

:)

[earthadvocate]

Teen found dead after drinking ayahuasca in a retreat. The sad fact is the Shaman (Master Mancoluto) lied to the mother of the teen saying that her son wondered in the jungle when he actually buried the body of the teen,
http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-2804-American-teenager-found-dead-after-Ayahuasca-ceremony-in-Peru/
People need to know the risk, especially the young.

[nenosema]

Thank you for researching and bringing this concern to the thread earthadvocate, but i don't think that this is the place for it, or for this type of info only....... Maybe you could add balance with a report of something positive about aya?

This story is a terrible story and a tragedy, but you will notice there aren't many like it. Not because I think many get away with somethings like this but, i don't feel that it happens much at all tbqh.


Yeah we have to know the risks, but wouldn't you do your research first? The ones who getinto this usually study these playnts for years before they consume anything! are already respectful of them and have some idea of these powerful alleys or pathways.
There is a diet to follow a week or two before drinking the brew of ayahuasca. You can go less time but what the shaman and any good sitter wants is for you to clear your system, get out some of the toxins that you may consume on a regular daily basis that you might not even know you had in you.
The information is out there.


__


Shamen are the ones who delve into this or these other worlds, as a calling, as far as i can see. They bring back experience and wisdom to share with others and share it with who might need a one time experience or whom may want to travel these paths on their own for a simmilar calling.
I still don't think I know or have the best understanding of what a shaman is. From all that I have read it is still based on opinion. Same as I would say a witch doctor or some of these other names to call what it is they do, or the type of person they are.

you can talk abut real shaman fake shaman ..explorers. Someone who stays true, i think that is what it is stemming from.


Ayawasca though, ayawasca is a teacher. as other plants are, as the wind is ,
more focused. as a gift placed here in the echo-system to connect with us, if only we'll accept its truth and goodness.


In a world that I imagine we do create plants from technology, oh wait, getting confused.... the truth is, I think these topics are started to get straights interested ((aka ones not of the understanding of how natural this is)), as they could never imagine obtaining such life changing experience as are found in these sacred plants! & loving teachers
these topics get clouded, it makes me sad


My first time taking aya was on thanksgiving, three maybe four years ago? I fasted, it was a light dose, which I recommend for someone starting out, it was an emotional experience, i was so excited. but it relaxed me gently.. expanding and freeing.
another time on strong smoked dose.. I remember coming back saying "You Can come down From THIS?!!!" over and over as i was in utter shock at how far the place it had taken ..me.. was. It's a Beautiful thing i must say. homey. i was an artist, before i even knew what psychedelic was, ooh! hehe

for anyone who might possibly have an hour to spend.. i recommend this talk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAwrf4iRFSs&list=PLF5F01522514F0614

even if you zone out, that's okay. this one was selected for the amount of information it has on one place.. although more about the mushroom... he does talk alot about aya too, but its been awhile, i would have to do a bit of searching..........
I Love chacruna, plus it is a pleasure to listen to this crazy dude


p.s.
Where are the stars beyond your Earth!!? ;)

[Rantaak]

Being experienced with this plant, I am quite comfortable with what I have said

The fact that you use the word ‘plant’, as in, one singular ingredient tells me you have no idea what ayahuasca truly is.

Ayahuasca is a complex blend of several

This is all I will post on this thread.

So we are splitting hairs on terms used. When it comes to plants, concoctions like this, I choose not to use plurals. "Plants" would have been accurate. Could have been a typo for all you know too ;). When I recall the experiences I have had, and the spirits I have met.. I am still very comfortable with what I have said.

In my experience, someone with experience, wouldn't be doing this.. But.. I suppose I should be reminded of that saying about assuming things. And.. It's disrespectful when dealing with other people who may have a different set of teachings or terminology, to assume.

I understand your sense of feeling protective. Truly I do and I admire that! You should still consider asking questions rather than making assumptions.

"Dracon do you believe this concoction to be just one plant as your wording indicates?"

"No blufire.. I can understand you thinking so based in what was typed.. But I call it a plant for a personal reason and yes I understand it is a concoction very well."

:)

Technically, the name Ayahuasca refers to the monoamine oxidase inhibitor (banisteriopsis caapi, in peru) which allows the psychoactive plant to be potentiated and active when taken orally. So the "ayahuasca" plant is actually just the MAOI. So it makes sense to refer to Ayahuasca as a, "plant," even though the preparation of the plant in this sacred ceremony involves additional ingredients.

Salutations to all of you who have undergone initiations.

[Olam]

One night, we drank with some young guys who did not understand what they were getting into, they just wanted to trip out. They drank the same stuff I did yet they suffered a terrible night...
Insects coming out of them, eating them, all night. Huge snake showing up, tearing their limbs apart, on and on for hours.
The shaman had his time stolen from them as he had to stay with them to help out.

Respectfully . . . . A true shaman would not have given ayahuasca to young men such as these. A true shaman would never disrespect sacred wisdom in such a manner.

Respectfully. . . . A True Shaman will learn to put ego and judgement aside knowing and trusting fully that the sacred vine will teach what is to be learned, whatever the situation.
He will also know that the infinite wisdom the plant has and can give far outweighs any desire to teach the Shaman can have.
He has gained the wisdom to know when to step aside and let divine action work.
These people learned a great lesson that night and the Shaman knew it was going to be so even if it was very difficult for everyone involved.

[toad]

Nothing in this life has changed me more then my DMT experiences. A truly profound compound.

[dianna]

Psychedelic La La Land: When Visions Go Wrong

Chris Kilham

http://www.realitysandwich.com/sites/realitysandwich.civicactions.net/files/imagecache/large/vision.jpg


Bobbie from California is brimful of energy, bursting with enthusiasm, and expressing a sheen of glistening sweat as he stands shirtless, breathless, exuberant and beaming in the scorching Amazon sun. The profusion of new tattoos covering his torso and arms give testimony to his ardent mission – to represent Mama Ayahuasca. “She showed me! She did! She showed me! It’s soooooo clear!”

One thing is certainly abundantly clear -- the freshness of the tattoos. Bobbie’s skin is puckered at the edges of the ink, a lavish display of brugmansia blossoms, mapacho leaves, a jaguar, a huge caapi vine growing up his chest, and the freshly needled outline of an anaconda slithering its way from his shoulder to his hand. The work, all done at a small tattoo shop around the corner from the waterfront promenade in Iquitos, Peru, the Disneyland of ayahuasca journeying, is the result of visions. Visions that convinced Bobbie that he is an important representative of Mama Ayahuasca. As such, he is on a mission to cover his upper body with the signs of his journeys, to pay homage to the plant spirits, and to “represent, man, represent!!!”

I predict that Bobbie will wake up at age 50, stare at himself wearily in the bathroom mirror, sigh “what the ****,” and look up a good laser clinic, to start the slow process of de-inking. Visions indeed.

Because here is the sober psychedelic fact of the matter. While some visions experienced in the throes of ayahuasca, peyote, mushrooms, San Pedro and other agents are in fact prescient, insightful, revelatory and wise, other visions are mere head salad. If you are going to journey with the aid of psychoactive substances, you must learn to discern the difference between manna from the gods and mental cole slaw. The former may set you on a new, luminous life path. The latter may send you down a rabbit hole.

A woman I know, let’s call her Eliza, drank ayahuasca a couple of times at gatherings in Florida. The medicine showed her many things, and gave her valuable information about Sumeria, Atlantis, the New World Order, Edgar Cayce and exactly who is going to live, and who is going to die in the coming crisis. You know, the coming crisis that everybody talks about. That one.

The guy on the mat next to Eliza also had lavish visions, and saw things clearly. A gym rat and a Tough Mudder, he knew what had to be done. Start an army. But of course. Conveniently, he would be the general. And Eliza, just by virtue of sitting on the mat next to him (fate!!!) would be a colonel. Though she confided in me on the phone “I’m really the powerful one, because of my visions.” Apparently the army also need me, “You’re absolutely essential,” she told me. But I had other plans.

Okay, so what happened from there? Eliza, a mother, decided that she had “already had the mother experience,” and that probably her 12 year old son didn’t need her anymore, so she could go off and start the army. You know, the army that is going to “be ready.” Ready for when “the **** hits the fan.” That ready. Uh huh. As of last check-in, Eliza and the general work out a lot, compete in Tough Mudder events, and are getting their army idea polished. They are preparing for the end of days, when a Vin Diesel movie-like world will ensure that those with biceps make it, and those who can’t dead-lift 350 don’t survive.

The now famous story of the Iquitos pyramid made its global debut in Vanity Fair, recounting how an ayahuasca vision experienced by Englishman Julian Haynes led to his own quixotic and very public quest. Haynes, convinced that he was directed to fulfill a high mission, funded and built a massive wooden pyramid that sat precariously in the water for a long time right off of the lively Iquitos waterfront promenade. For a time, it was the city’s most famous attraction. The pyramid was to be a world peace center, a spiritual magnet, a hotel for travelers, and many other things. I used to watch it with fascination, and always looked forward to seeing where it had drifted, near or close to the promenade. Today the pyramid is not one whole and integrated global spirit chakra, but thousands of pieces of woody flotsam, spread out all over the Rio Itaya. Larger pieces have been salvaged to make shacks. Smaller ones have been dried to fuel cooking fires.

In fact, Hayne’s pyramid eerily mirrored the frenzied tale of Fitzcarraldo, the horrific Werner Herzog film starring manic Klaus Kinski, in which the vision-driven protagonist drags a gigantic riverboat deep into the steamy verdant Amazon, as part of an ambitious plan to build an opera house in the jungle. Mad as a hatter and twice as scary to watch, Kinski embodied obsession in the film, which was shot in steamy Iquitos. If you tire of eating at Dawn On The Amazon (most near the tattoo stand), then you can drift down the promenade to the opposite corner to Café Fitzcarraldo. And if you want to sop up the rotten, sad remains of that film’s history, you can drop into Casa Fitzcarraldo across town near the banana market, where photos of the film’s stars adorn the walls, where sad-eyed jaguars are locked in cruelly tiny cages, and where the pool water is a milky green.

Beware, oh psychedelic traveler, of the sudden, astonishing, life-changing vision. Beware of “realizations” that you must abandon your comfortable life, job, home and family back in the States or Europe, and grub out a living selling raw cocoa-and-nut balls on the Iquitos streets. Beware the “realization” that you will be a great shaman, and will lead millions to a peaceful era. Beware of ANY vision at all in which you personally have been singled out to play a lead role in the re-doing of all human history. You haven’t. And for goodness sake, beware of the impulse to cover your entire body with ayahuasca visions in indelible ink.

Ayahuasca and other psychedelics can deliver positive, transformative benefits. But they can also set the mind afire with lavish, nonsensical ideas. Most common is the notion of “discovering” that you, yes YOU! will save the planet. You won’t. This is just the same old messy messianic thinking that has never worked and never will. For if there is to be a new, more free and conscious world, we will need not one, but several billon messiahs, each selflessly pulling together for the whole of humanity and planetary welfare.

In the meantime, we have only begun to see the Age Of The Kooks. As more people drink ayahuasca, there will be more visionary fallout. People will decide to undergo rapid and regrettable sex changes. They will ink themselves from head to toe, like Rod Steiger in The Illustrated Man. They will bellow revelations from building tops and get whisked away to secure cells. It is all going to happen. In the great and fabulous circus that is the explosion of ayahuasca into the public mind, every freaky, awkward, bizarre and outright nutso scenario that can play out, will.



http://www.realitysandwich.com/psychedelic_la_la_land

[dianna]

Beyond the Machine Elves: On DMT Culture, Visionary Plants and Entheodelic Storytelling

http://homelessminds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Run_DMT_Dreams_cover.jpg


"Mind-altering substances are usually left out of the culture-building paradigm, either through following incomplete data, or because of political correctness, and it has distorted our interpretation regarding beliefs and rituals and decision making, not only by our ancient ancestors, but in more modern times as well." John A. Rush


DMT Culture

With the alien-like technologies of the tryptamine family, the 21st century person has the chance for a cyberpunk method of self defense against info-overload. In fact, hitting the reset button on the nervous system and blipping out of the hyper mediated matrix war on consciousness that is post-modern life, and instead being melded seamlessly into the realm of shamanic self-initiation that lies beyond the imagistic astral plane has never been quite so easy. This timeless entheogenic technology has long been latent in indigenous cultures in acacia trees and elsewhere abundant in nature since time immemorial.

Access to the infinite metaphysical bliss glitter of the tryptamine palace is often considered an entirely modern chemical/synthetic invention, a still taboo shortcut that goes against "natural" entheogens, (such as the DMT containing ayahuasca, but also datura, iboga, peyote, psilocybin, salvia, and syrian rue) not to mention the staunch yogic asceticism popular with New Age types. But cutting edge research post Terence McKenna has boldly declared these ancient tryptamine snuff techniques as being reserved for the shamanic elite of elder shamanic cultures, and, controversially, possibly even in use before some of the above mentioned entheogens. Entheogen use in traditional cultures centered around healing and divinatory purposes, and even the great Mircea Eliade infamously recounted his omission of visionary plant tools in the context of the academic study of shamanism towards the end of his life.

Of course, once the spirit returns to the body, these natural forms of altering consciousness (along with more mild doses of etheogens) can also help to stabilize and ground oneself after the cosmically daunting supersensory Sound-Light of the infamous hyperspace journey, so that the DMT-lag doesn't disrupt the harmony of the pristine astral body.

Part of the reason for what is the undoubtedly the most outrageous religious history cover up of the our time is due to these methods being previously barred to the common spiritual seeker, as these tryptamine sacraments were not given until those seekers who bled, sweat, and cried on the moss covered temple walls were approved by the pyramid structure of shamanic-priest elite. In traditional shamanic cultures, cosmic transport systems that immediately provide consistent out of body and near death experiences (such as DMT/5-MeO-DMT and salvia) are simply reserved for those who have already proved mastery with the more gentle and slower acting entheo-technology found in the global visionary plant family. For one must die in order to truly live.

In the far out hyperspace modality of the tryptamine consciousness, the clattering whispers of dark entities are forever blocked out by the bliss-love dazzle of the Divine Mind. Thus, the paradoxical power of entheogens is to verify the ontological status of the Gods as distinct entities with separate supersensory agendas, rather than just the fleeting archetypes of our mind--while also allowing those who follow the path of light to vanquish said nefarious entities, who may serve as stumbling blocks to the path the central goal of any self-respecting mystic; Union with the eternal Godhead.

The current DMT culture (at least as it stands online) is thus in stark contrast to the ever present machine elf meme located in Terrence McKenna's work (and to a lesser extent, Rick Strassman's pioneering research)--both of whom seem to inadvertently promote a sort of a sci-fi alien reductionism located in the mysterious tryptamine phenomena, to the point of forgetting that there is a whole non-linear holographic world waiting beyond the dreaded elf guardians of the white void. A world that, moreover, benevolently points to a dynamic and organic interaction with supernatural spirits who teach about metaphysical mysteries according to the specific readiness of each individual seeker.

http://realitysandwich.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Ayahuasca_Monologues_Marquee.jpg


Strassman's new book, DMT and the Soul of Prophecy, however, serves to redeem his early sci-fi focus by broadening the approach to spiritual revelation found in religious mythology itself. This is a perfect entry point to what Rak Razam, Jeremy Johnson and I have deemed Entheodelic Storytelling, a contemporary cultural mythology that emphasizes the non-linear metaphysical worlds opened up by visionary plants and other forms of consciousness altering techniques.

This art movement is perhaps best represented in visual form by Rak Razam's film Aya Awakenings. In fiction, Graham Hancock's ayahuasca influenced novel trilogy beginning with Entangled, John David Ebert's metaphysical interpretation of Sandman, and also my own genre-hopping graphic novel trilogy KALI-YUGA are some recent examples.

KALI-YUGA concerns the infamous wizard Abaraiis, who smokes 5-MeO-DMT and is trained by the elemental spirits to attain the wisdom of profound metaphysical magic in order to defeat the Gnostic archon-esque lizard kings--Kaos sorcery masters who can manipulate the fabric of space-time itself. This, and my forthcoming transhumanism influenced meta-entheogenic narrative The Xenark Trilogy, starring the last cyborg wizard who uses glitch magick, the most sought after alien drug DMZ, and the runes to bring kaos to the Order of Gods--are the most recent entries into this newly budding genre.

Using the term entheodelic (God/divine manifesting) is also in direct philosophical contrast to the earlier psychedelic literature (mind manifesting). The synthetic lab creations MDMA and LSD need not be included in a literary genre that hopes to give proper credence to elder shamanic cultures who focused on union with the Godhead, rather than just tripping out and having a grand ol' time. Even experienced psychonaut James Oroc has noted that LSD provides a kind of scientific "true hallucination" instead of throwing one into the metaphysical world itself, as the visionary plant family does, in moderate to high doses. Author Simon G. Powell has also noted that one of the primary features of entheogens is to discover the voice of the Other, or the hyper-dimensional living wisdom of the Gods that speaks through the user of entheogens.

This new wave "gonzo" journalism best represented by Rak Razam is organic in it's selective diet, and unlike Morrison's Invisibles and the character Spider in Warren Ellis's admittedly brilliant cyberpunk comic Transmetropolitan (a literary wink at Hunter S. Thompson, but really a representation of Ellis' own alter ego) alcohol and other synthetic drugs that do not include the sacred intent of the plant guardians need not apply.

While much has been said in the so called New Aeon about positive intent and the "creation of your own reality", (brought into popular consciousness by Aleister Crowley and Morrison's infamous use of magick to bring upon the desire or Will of the magician), this philosophy still seems to indicate emphasis on the illusory ego and the notion of a "doer" who is separate from the Divine Will itself. But the artist in the shamanic tradition was not creating without the approval of the holographic spirit guardians latent in visionary plants like genies waiting to be freed, who go past the individual ego to provide a sacred intent, one that manifests from the will of spirits themselves.

While Alex Grey has covered this framework admirably for the visionary art spectrum, sacred intent should also be equally as important for future storytellers who wish to heal themselves and their culture by realizing that everything in the history of consciousness is in fact a story, and if we can rediscover storytelling as a bonafide healing modality and Narrative Medicine, as the ancients shamans once did , then there may be some hope for the West, still suffocated in the antiquated Cult of Self that lies at the heart of Satanic Hollywood.

Underground cyberpunk shamans that grow by number everyday and thrive on the bleeding edge of psychedelic news as the internet brings entheodelic culture to the mainstream (and how the mainstream will in turn distort it, such as in Gaspar Noe's experimental Enter the Void or the ayahuasca influenced Avatar) will of course already have access to the main thrust of this information without having to reference literature through translinguistic visionary art and entheodelic storytelling, but it's still helpful to have it around as art therapy for those who haven't caught up with the main current.

Filtering the latest word encased info-drips of entheogenic research into typically the wordless visionary art/music sector is impossible, but the contemporary storytelling and mythologizing found in literature, comics and film remains ripe for what will undoubtedly be an explosion in a novel form of 21st century myth that is directly informed by the spirit of the Gods themselves.


http://realitysandwich.com/216190/beyond-the-machine-elves-on-dmt-culture-visionary-plants-and-entheodelic-storytelling/

[Ciaran]

Hi just cooked up some Ayahuasca and I am preparing for my first experience, so is there any points, tips, advice from my fellow Avalonians who have had the experience?
added a few pic's of the process...

http://s8.postimg.org/wprxu2ngx/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wprxu2ngx/)
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[aheb]

You may find some tips on "London Real"
https://www.youtube.com/user/LondonRealTV

he's done some clips about it, also in the latest video with the fitness guy , toward the end of the video they talk about it, and apparantly the stuff that you get in the post you need another ingredient to make it work..........hope it helps some

[Robin]

That looks like a lot of tea to drink if you are doing this by yourself. It is a very bitter brew, and it goes much smoother when you reduce it down to about a cup.

[Tyy1907]

I gotta ask, how does someone acquire this stuff? Like where would it grow?

[Ciaran]

That looks like a lot of tea to drink if you are doing this by yourself. It is a very bitter brew, and it goes much smoother when you reduce it down to about a cup.

Its not a lot, because it was made with a kilo of material, so that is it reduced, so there's enough for 4-5 goes... ;)

[Jake]

Remember that it is just a tool. You are equipped with all the latent abilities to open to consciousness without ingesting toxins. The ayahuasca breaks down barriers that can be broken down without it.

Ahyahuasca has traditionally been administered by very wise people in a part of the world where nature can nurture the situation...

Be careful, and take care of yourself.

Jake

[nenosema]

Set up your environment. Have plenty of water & fruit for later. Roll something you're comfortable with smoking like damiana or cannabis. Prepare a playlist for that night, atmospheric possibly? There is a site with really good Icaros, I'll look around for it. Remember if you get into difficult places; sing, chant, drum, play music. The vibrations transform the experience. Have a bucket and some tp* & if you run to the bathroom, bring them with you!!

You shall be fine :)

Edit:
some wonderfull music here
http://ayahuascaprajna.com/icaros-songs/
down at the bottom are some of the older icaros. the Amazon jungle forest at night is also good

have you read about the ayawasca diet? if not please do so. if you are on any sort of medication especially an ssri you will have to wait a week (or two?) to get that out of your system before taking the brew. it looks beautiful by the way

[grannyfranny100]

Well if you don't get it from more subtle posts, doing this alone sounds about as safe as driving your car blind folded. Please reconsider.

[Jake]

A simple parable: If you remove the butterfly from the cocoon before it is ready,, it may never be able to fly on its own..

Just a thought.
Jake.

[Ciaran]

This will be my first time doing Ayahausca but i have taken other psychedelics before so im not a complete newbe, i understand that this could be a daunting experience, but my instinct is telling me i need to do this alone, but thanks for the tips and concern guys, i shall let you know how i get on...

[markenty13]

This will be my first time doing Ayahausca but i have taken other psychedelics before so im not a complete newbe, i understand that this could be a daunting experience, but my instinct is telling me i need to do this alone, but thanks for the tips and concern guys, i shall let you know how i get on...

You will be fine Ciaran, Enjoy the ride :)

[sirdipswitch]

This would be analogous to swimming in the ocean, thinking you were safe!!!

[Camilo]

Well if you don't get it from more subtle posts, doing this alone sounds about as safe as driving your car blind folded. Please reconsider.

You may be playing with fire here bud. Think about it more than twice.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi just cooked up some Ayahuasca and ...
I just moved your thread to the "Express Yourself" sub-forum, out of view from the public.

I can't speak for the risks myself, but from the posts above, I gather that the risks are complicated and potentially serious.

Nor can I speak for the legality, but from what I can tell after a quick search, the active ingredient, DMT, is definitely illegal in the States.

We (the mods reviewing this right now) would rather not be promoting something both potentially dangerous and potentially illegal to the public.

[gnostic9]

This will be my first time doing Ayahausca but i have taken other psychedelics before so im not a complete newbe, i understand that this could be a daunting experience, but my instinct is telling me i need to do this alone, but thanks for the tips and concern guys, i shall let you know how i get on... Hi Ciaran! I hope you have prepared properly for this experience. your body and mind need to be purified, which takes about 3 weeks before you are ready to properly receive this spirit medicine. PM me if you need some guidence.

[Olam]

Hi just cooked up some Ayahuasca and I am preparing for my first experience, so is there any points, tips, advice from my fellow Avalonians who have had the experience?
added a few pic's of the process...

http://s8.postimg.org/wprxu2ngx/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wprxu2ngx/)
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Oh my, this is your first time and are you planning to do this alone?
If it is the case, I suggest you read up a bit more on this, its serious stuff and certainly not to be taken lightly!
No Ayascurero present also, setting yourself up for some very difficult few hours..
I am not one to put a bad vibe on your intentions, its just something to be taken very seriously...
Have you read up on the type of diet to take on 3 weeks before drinking?
Are you taking anti depressants?
many details to check out beforehand!

[Delight]

First off, I am sure you have read as much as you can find. The reason that people generally do not just take the medicine is that it is not a recreational experience and can literally create temporary dangerous reactions.

DO NOT DO IT ALONE NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE DONE IT. I am speaking from experience that as you use the medicine, you actually become more sensitive.

If you are on any chronic psych drugs, it is NOT recommended to use Ayahausca at all.

Physically you may have toxic reactions unless you have been on a special diet and weaned from psychiatric meds (and others too see beloe) It is also really valuable to spiritually fast from mundane life in preparation.

Traditionalists treat this as the holiest of ceremonies as you are opening to realms that may present difficulty unless approached with the greatest respect. I would at least have a sacred space and the best is to have an opening and closing of the space with designated intention.

IMPORTANT to use a tyramine free diet at least 5 days before you drink and plan to continue for 5 days after. I see above 3 weeks and that is better. I have seen many different time frames given. I was on a very clean diet before I participated (3x in 3 years) and I saw how being on a not so clean diet made the purging harder.

Traditionalists I know also request abstinence from recreational drugs and sexual activity at least in the 2 days before and after.

I have my ideal... a tent in the woods with fire outside and knowledgeable friends who are not taking the medicine to watch over me in case I need them...but also knowledgeable enough to leave me alone even if I am loud.

Likely Likely you will purge a lot so have your equipment ready and I would start slow slow slow.
IMO you ought to only proceed with wise people who have also wisely practiced this many times. Good Luck...Maggie

EDIT POST

What foods and drugs need to be avoided? (http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/what-foods-and-drugs-need-to-be-avoided/)

[Wind]

From what I have heard, I think that you should do it under the supervision of real shamans in the correct environment, for safety reasons. You might want to see these videos before trying it.

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[Feritciva]

I tried Grandmother Aya (as Shamans call 'her') twice back in '11. The first one was really hard experience. There were shamans in the ceremony - where I was one of the eight people in a very good set-up. It's always better & safe to do this with some experienced people watching you. Second time was lighter, I was only with a friend but again an ayahuascero were conducting the ceremony.

Still I wonder some of the visions that Aya showed me in both sessions. At least I learnt that something like "mothership" exists and it's really huge. And the beings in it may not be friendly or benevolent to contact.

As a summary, especially set up is extremely important in Aya experiences and I suggest you at least have a friend - who is more or less familiar with these concepts - with you when you try this.

[Delight]

Well if you don't get it from more subtle posts, doing this alone sounds about as safe as driving your car blind folded. Please reconsider.

You may be playing with fire here bud. Think about it more than twice.

I read here that some people actually gave the advice that "just go for it" is acceptable.

Ayahausca is like playing with fire. Fire needs guidelines but not outlawing in case it should burn. To ignore fire's power is to be like kids playing with matches. I played with matches too when I was young and never set the house on fire but people have done so. The intention to ignore this "potential to burn" of the Ayahausca power is foolish.

In my own experience, sometimes the set and setting practiced is too restrictive because I have done ceremony in a group setting where there was a permissible kind and level of expression. Those outside this acceptable range were inhibited, shushed, carted out of the room and disturbed in the individual process (in the pursuit to refrain from disturbing others). I encountered the problem of being shut down when My expression was outside the accepted level. So I do understand the desire to go "solo". Then again, now after three episodes with a traditional "peruvian shaman", I think I see what is and is not necessary.

I consider having a wise "minder" the foremost necessity because I have seen how it dis-inhibits the usual safeguard of self restraint and also brings up challenging feelings. And in the middle of a difficult experience one must "wait it out" for the few hours the medicine is taking charge.

One of my friends who is a "stable" person completely freaked out the second time she drank the medicine. She felt such fear that she wanted to run outside. She was feeling like she could not contain herself. In her case, to have others with her kept her from acting on this impulse.

Definitely I appreciate how a person might want to be left alone to experience just as the medicine prescribes. Knowing how unpredictable this "fire" may be, to go it alone is like lighting a campfire in the forest in a season where fires spark and one little stray ember can ignite a whole forest.

One wants something but has no idea about the repercussions. With Ayahausca's help, we may encounter different aspects of self that are "mad". A possible "madness" is temporary. I have never known anyone to be unable to come out n a few hours. (Previous psychotic episodes are a "contraindication" unless in a particular special environment like a "shamanic hospital" setting).

It is very self dishonoring and to the medicine itself to treat it lightly.
The medicine is wonderful and valuable and life enhancing IMO.
That is why I dislike hearing from "experts" that Ayahausca is to be avoided in case one has a negative experience.

I also dislike hearing the recommendation that anyone should blithely approach the medicine, as some suggested "Go it alone... No problem".

[Milneman]

Remember a few years back state-side, guy had a few people die in a sweat lodge?

He was not trained. He did not go through the training, and people got hurt.

I'm recommending you pour it down the sink.

[Deega]

Hi Ciaran, I have experienced the "Sacred Vine", it ain't a play game, it's a spiritual experience that one have to prepared for. Please don't do it alone, you need to have a Shaman, you need to have someone to guide you when experiencing vision, when the going get tough.

Allthough Ayahausca is outlawed in Canada, the US and other nations, it's legal in South America and many States in Africa, the religion Sainte Dame (in North California or Oregon?) has fight the US government for using Ayahausca in their religious ceremony , and won!

Taking the "Sacred Vine" is a sacred ceremony, your Pineal Gland is dilated by the Sacred Plant (DMT), so you open up to the Spirit World. You may think that you are prepared for this, but you're not! Anyway, if you decide to go forward, you will never be the same again.

Ayahausca is not an addictive drug, you will not get addicted to the Sacred Vine, but, be prepared to live the joy and pain of getting near the Spirit World.

The best to you in this experience.

Here is a Ayahausca Forum, you will find all the information that you will need if ever you go forward using the "Sacred Vine".

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/

[Omni]

So how did it go? Did you take the Ayahuasca?

[DNA]

So how did it go? Did you take the Ayahuasca?

I'm with Omni. I've been waiting patiently for the Ayahuasca report. I'm hoping it sounds something like this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8YegUhtTw

[Ciaran]

Well people, think it was a bust, pitched a tent in the back garden and took some on Fri night, poured out a 150mm to get a gauge of how strong it was already had the list of what not to consume before hand so everything was heavily researched, went into the tent and was as prepared as much as i could for the experience, was sitting in the tent waiting for any indication that it was coming on 30 minutes later felt nothing decided to lay down and relax for a bit, ended up flaking out for 2 hours woke up still didn't feel anything went into the house and had chronic diarrhea for the next two hours and short lived feeling of disappointment, so going to reduce it some more and up the dose and see if it any good next weekend, will keep whoever is interested up to date with my progress... :)

[TargeT]

Ayahausca is outlawed in Canada, the US and other nations, it's legal in South America and many States in Africa, the religion Sainte Dame (in North California or Oregon?) has fight the US government for using Ayahausca in their religious ceremony , and won!




Understanding the Santo Daime Case in Oregon (US)
http://www.psychointegrator.com/2009/03/understanding-the-santo-daime-case-in-oregon-us/

The church:
http://santodaime.com/en/


Very interesting, I wonder how hard it is to start a church...

I grew up near this church, but was gone by the time all the exciting stuff happened:

http://vimeo.com/6821805

[Olam]

Well people, think it was a bust, pitched a tent in the back garden and took some on Fri night, poured out a 150mm to get a gauge of how strong it was already had the list of what not to consume before hand so everything was heavily researched, went into the tent and was as prepared as much as i could for the experience, was sitting in the tent waiting for any indication that it was coming on 30 minutes later felt nothing decided to lay down and relax for a bit, ended up flaking out for 2 hours woke up still didn't feel anything went into the house and had chronic diarrhea for the next two hours and short lived feeling of disappointment, so going to reduce it some more and up the dose and see if it any good next weekend, will keep whoever is interested up to date with my progress... :)

I'm certainly not encouraging you to do this alone as you are but just to say, that diarrhea is your body and the ayahuasca preparing it for the work ahead.
Be very careful about the doses you take, you might think its was not working but it was, it was detoxing your cells preparing for spiritual work. Again, I don't think you are doing it right, but if you must do it alone like that, please be very careful on your doses.
You might end up taking way too much when your body is ready for the work and it won't be an easy situation to say the least this I guarantee you.

[Milneman]

Ciaran,

I'm just curious: would you say you would have a greater justification in the belief of an experience with this compound than one without it?

[Ciaran]

Well, I had another try on Fri, I reduced the Ayahuasca and took more than the last time, and again I hadn't any visuals or feelings of euphoria, but I can say that I purged like a crazy MoFo, I'm talking exorcist time, so I'm assuming that the vine was working and the admixture wasn't much good, so I am content with the physical cleaning I got from the vine and a new sense of patience that I believe was needed, so I'm just going to save up and go to a retreat in Holland next year and do it properly so I wont be making anymore until I have had the experience with people that know what they are doing and with a shaman, so I'm just going to continue working with my native source of physic cleaning liberty cap mushrooms… thanks for all the interest and the good advice…

[Tangri]

Well, I had another try on Fri, I reduced the Ayahuasca and took more than the last time, and again I hadn't any visuals or feelings of euphoria, but I can say that I purged like a crazy MoFo, I'm talking exorcist time, so I'm assuming that the vine was working and the admixture wasn't much good, so I am content with the physical cleaning I got from the vine and a new sense of patience that I believe was needed, so I'm just going to save up and go to a retreat in Holland next year and do it properly so I wont be making anymore until I have had the experience with people that know what they are doing and with a shaman, so I'm just going to continue working with my native source of physic cleaning liberty cap mushrooms… thanks for all the interest and the good advice…

First of all, I am agree with Jake
"A simple parable: If you remove the butterfly from the cocoon before it is ready,, it may never be able to fly on its own..

Just a thought.
Jake

First you should crawl before trying run.
If you are insist to attempt to interrupt, your natural development,
My advice is.
1- Do not be alone during intake , have someone you trust with you as a observer and a recording device .
2-Without MAOI you can not activate DMT, you will have only digestion system complains which you will flash your intestines.(your previous 2 experiences show that, you didn't do your homework well) read well before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor

Normally the DMT in the tea would be destroyed in the digestive system by a chemical called mono amine oxidase, rendering the tea completely inactive. With the addition of a second plant containing a mono amine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), either in the tea with the first DMT containing plant or taken separately, The DMT survives the digestive process and reaches the brain where it alters the persons state of consciousness.
3-something worked on someone is not insure your outcome.
I would success Sage divinorum for safe ride. it is legal in Holland.
you can open a bottle with bottle opener, why are you using your teeth?(because just you can?

[TargeT]

your previous 2 experiences show that, you didn't do your homework well

Oh, I doubt that's the case, since he mentioned "vine" several times (that is the plant with the MAOI inhibitor) and the tea really just consists of two items; its not overly hard to figure out.

There probably is a methodology to the extraction that was missing, maybe very very large batches need to be made then reduced, I don't know my self.

[Tangri]

your previous 2 experiences show that, you didn't do your homework well

Oh, I doubt that's the case, since he mentioned "vine" several times (that is the plant with the MAOI inhibitor) and the tea really just consists of two items; its not overly hard to figure out.

There probably is a methodology to the extraction that was missing, maybe very very large batches need to be made then reduced, I don't know my self.

My point was not only MAOI on his homework. Body must be prepare like a Olympic game contestant's. If your blood system has certain proteins previous intake, it will act like emetics and laxatives. at least 1 week special dietary is needed. to prepare body. Also need to know how to take care after intoxication. It can not be handled alone.

[Ciaran]

Well Tangri, i can assure you that my homework was well and truly done regarding this issue, like every other experience i decide to partake in, and my diet was correct before i started to take it, so the only option logically was that the leaves where not up to scratch and that was with a half kilo of material from a reputable seller, the cooking process was completed too the letter so I'm not concerned about that, also regarding me doing it solo, i think each individual is different and no two experiences are the same so to suggestion that this cannot be done alone is incorrect, many, many people have done this alone and have had a rewarding experience and continue to do it alone because after all when it comes down to it it is a solitary journey to within...

[DNA]

First of all, I am agree with Jake
"A simple parable: If you remove the butterfly from the cocoon before it is ready,, it may never be able to fly on its own..



Hi Tangri, :hippie:I've got a saying for you.


You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

First of all, I am agree with Jake
"A simple parable: If you remove the butterfly from the cocoon before it is ready,, it may never be able to fly on its own..



Hi Tangri, :hippie:I've got a saying for you.


You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

I just asked an omelette, and it said , "yeah, thats totally true, dude" .

[nenosema]

Well, How are you? you know you may come over to the DMT-Nexus to talk , right?

hey, actually I think what was trying to be conveyed here was that you hadn't taken enough of an maoi. Just because the vine contains Harmalas doesn't mean it had enough for you to Become inhibited. Although usually you would at least experience something. What is Ayawasca without the visions . People not getting effeacts from the brew, usually it was a "purging experience" for them, a way of cleaning out and then when the next time they tried to drink that same batch of ayahuasca plants it was a trifold coming through. Do I see chacruna❤ :)


Have you ever heard of Syrian Rue? The 2time I tripped on mushrooms I had only one mushroom, it was the first one to grow :rolleyes: with three caps of syrian rue. it will makes the experience last longer and is stronger more flowing in waves. if you have only small amount this is the way to go. dmt is alot like psilocybin in many ways.

Dmt (http://s30.postimg.org/aelqsshv5/img0.png)
&
Psilocybin mushrooms (http://s27.postimg.org/izjmaikfn/mushrooms.png)

Some say mushrooms are; if you take enough; an extension of what's known as dmt hyperspace. So basically it's like you're tripping on dmt but you're around for an eternity forever extended also because you're walking around on mushrooms. Naturally it seem mushrooms contain their own thing that makes them orally active with no other add mixtures, although syrian rue does make them way more vivid the visions more stronger

mono amine oxidase gives the mushrooms an oppertunity to become crazy active, 3 grams is the minimum dose you don't neet to crush them, cause the actives are on the outside. nausiating thing on the inside. but they're full of Harmala and Harmaline. that's why I keep some seeds of pegammin harmala sp? around (syrian rue) so I can make a strong tea of it. Strange coloured tea ..

Anyways, I don't know what it's like there haven't been in a while but, dmt is alright to be taken alone . I don't even like the idea of telling people I'm tripping before I tripp, as long as they know that I trip in my own back yard trees and plants and stars and its. inside can be nice too. Try making other teas in the meantime? with more medicine like effects like regular interesting herbs, but keep away from green and black tea!. contrary to popular belief they're not good for you. .

People not getting effeacts from the brew? usually for them it was a 'purging experience' ? The brew is very literal and then the next time they drink that same ayahuasca batch it was working just fine. you just need to wait. Looks for small trustworthy quality vendors. usually the ones who offer it so freely$, claim shaman, don't know how to be a shaman and bring in the right plant spirits to work through it haha, nevermind cook it right. a good book
Dreaming the soul back home - by Robert Moss (https://kiwi6.com/users/wavemusic)

Always do a Cold Water Extraction! (CWE) before you do any boiling! that stuff will literally be water with rainbow colours ontop let it evaporate, then you will see, but it is in salt form so take it with an maoi
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd397/otherwanderer/04-Arm5.jpg

[TargeT]

I've known this intuitively... now it is proven.
Brain on psychedelics is reorganized, more connected, NOT disordered (http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/11/101/20140873/F6.expansion.html)
http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/11/101/20140873/F6.medium.gif

Simplified visualization of the persistence homological scaffolds. The persistence homological scaffolds Graphic (a) and Graphic (b) are shown for comparison. For ease of visualization, only the links heavier than 80 (the weight at which the distributions in figure 5a bifurcate) are shown.

[Yetti]

Have a nice trip, but be careful with the landing !! Let me know how was ok? . I think the only advice I can give to you is be in peace with yourself and the world, rise your vibes , relax don't take extra baggage (remorse, low vibes, too much expectation, anxiety) have fun !

[TargeT]

Well, I had another try on Fri, I reduced the Ayahuasca and took more than the last time, and again I hadn't any visuals or feelings of euphoria, but I can say that I purged like a crazy MoFo, I'm talking exorcist time, so I'm assuming that the vine was working and the admixture wasn't much good, so I am content with the physical cleaning I got from the vine and a new sense of patience that I believe was needed, so I'm just going to save up and go to a retreat in Holland next year and do it properly so I wont be making anymore until I have had the experience with people that know what they are doing and with a shaman, so I'm just going to continue working with my native source of physic cleaning liberty cap mushrooms… thanks for all the interest and the good advice…

I tried my own attempt at spending some time with San Pedro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinopsis_pachanoi) and it was gently reminded to be patient and take my time; I will try again in the near future when the time is right; I would like to learn this plant and it's use but apparently my first attempt was not meant to be.

I have two cuttings growing and I am going to plant them as decorative additions to my yard (they can handle the weather here quite well from what I have been reading); it's funny how these plant tools all seem to be extraordinarily hearty and vigorous growers.

[Morbid]

last night had a very first journey on ayahuasca. i found the brew quite tasty - my body accepted it very well. this was from a very high end modern shaman in a beautiful place, absolutely pure medicine and surrounded by friends. i got to admit, i never realised the grip that ego had on me until last night. the battle to eradicate it was eventually successful but more work is needed once these teachings get digested. i did all i needed to clear my conscious and met all the essences that i am close to. laughed a lot, cried also, sometimes both at the same time - it was a very happy experience overall.
it came clear to me that we are the universe as all we experience is projected within our consciousness. i felt that the parallel realities are quite widely available to us there as its nothing else but our decision-making doing some tango in real time. there is no time. it felt that time is just what we are all agree to in this physical reality and is nothing more than a limitation. i experienced death of my old self and rebirth - a new beginning. felt like one year old doing first steps - everybody laughed. positive energies all around.
the point that was very evident to me is that noone needs to prove anything to anyone. unconditional love is what we are - its sad that we sometimes forget it when coming here into physical reality. in the end i pled allegiance to god while looking it right in the eye. i came to conclusion that god is light and love is divine.
i felt like i been there before on hallucinogenic endeavour years back when i was experiencing death scenes six hours straight. since this 'past life' idea started to sink in with me recently i come to terms that it was probably from my last incarnations. at the time i was unprepared and inexperienced, was total nightmare but now im not regretting any of it. at some point i felt trapped in a body on hospital bed in a 'brain dead' condition. years were going by and i watched my loved ones getting older and frustrated that i cant react to love they give me. i sensed their effort go away with time - never felt more pain and agony than that. there were nice experiences on hallucinogens after as well but they were not getting me into the full on spirit realm.
im now tend to understand the differences between psychedelics such as lsd and these plants that are there to heal our soul's experience of dense world we are living in. there are several medicines there that address soul-mind-body-heart. spiritual healer assesses what is required for each individual and will help them into a pleasant healing journey. i would recommend such methods of getting to know ourselves as long as you are ready for it. the main purpose of the shaman is to help others get to control their ego. once this is achieved the world is an oyster.

anyone else would like to share their journey?

[Elainie]

Am one of the weirdos that loves the taste of it......of course taste varies according to brew and location and so on.

Glad you gained clarity from it, I think it's an amazing medicine for the right person at the right time and beyond!

[mosquito]

Am one of the weirdos that loves the taste of it......


... you said it !! :facepalm:

I just have to catch a whiff of it and my stomach starts heaving.

It's 7 years since my last journey, so I wonder what would happen now.

[wnlight]

Morbid, is your shaman in Ecuador?

[Morbid]

Morbid, is your shaman in Ecuador?

no. although i dont know. he travels whole world.

[Ikarusion]

the grip of the ego, it was very hard to let go for me the first time. it was quite unpleasant.
but it got better and i felt the connectedness and love for all.

and the taste, it was totally fine the first time, but afterwards it got worse with each ceremony. :(

if its your cup of tea, do it. if your not sure, wait.

regards,
ika

[martgill]

Had close to 100 journeys on Aya to date. Many of my initial journeys were clearing childhood/parental issues where I was shown and made to understand why my parents were so dysfunctional and what effect this had on me. Its taken me 10 yrs to find clarity in my present condition in which I feel free of past conditioning and past life garbage. Aya has been a wonderful healer for me and has given me a broad perspective on 3D life and other dimensions.

My ole teacher used to say that taking Aya is the bravest thing you could do and taking the second cup is even braver. He wasn't wrong.

Not for everyone, but has worked for me.

[Morbid]

https://www.soul-herbs.com/

[awakeningmom]

I had my first Ayahuasca experience fairly recently and it was not what I expected. The people I was with were spiritually oriented, the shaman was a Peruvian with a great energy, and it was a lovely safe environment.

The first cup did nothing for me – I didn’t have any visions, didn’t even get sick. Just felt nauseous. Meanwhile, people were vomiting all around me, sobbing, sighing….clearly they were experiencing something. But even after an hour, I felt nothing except a stomach ache. I then took a second cup. About a half hour later, I began having psychedelic visions – geometric shapes and patterns mixed with grotesque cartoonish characters and dolls began dancing in my head. It was definitely not what I was hoping for. I wasn’t scared, but I was disappointed. I was hoping for something more spiritual and loving. Something more meaningful, I guess. I kept asking Mother Ayuhuasca to show me something else, but she held firm at the psychedelic show, which subsided fairly quickly. A third cup did nothing for me, except make my stomach turn at the barky, smokey, granular liquid I insisted on putting into my body a third time, despite all signs that my body did not particularly like it. But I never did vomit.

After about 6 hours the Shaman asked us to share our experiences of transcending “duality,” of transcending the “ego.” Many people had amazing stories and insights. Some were crying, realizing some deep truth about themselves – whether good or bad. Some were frightened by what they had seen about themselves and seemed shell-shocked. But all I got were a few rather weird visions that dissipated after less than an hour. It wasn’t exactly like this writer’s experience, but it was similar – the world revealed to me was cartoonish, slightly grotesque – I wondered if I entered some AI dimension or demi-urge side-show carnival? And why was this what was shown to me? Clearly I had more pressing questions to be answered! But I didn’t fear it – it was just a bit of a let down.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/my-ayahuasca-trip/

I’ve since read that many people do not experience amazing insights or visions in the first experience. I’ve also read that 20% of people do not experience any visions at all, ever. I have to say, as someone who has been on a searching/ spiritual quest for the last couple of years, it is depressing to think I might be in that minority. I have always had problems mediating too, and I seem to be unable to induce an OBE. What is wrong with me? Is my pineal gland too calcified? Is my ego too strong? I wonder if there’s anything I can do to change this – a special diet, perhaps? (I haven’t had red meat for 6 months, but do still eat chicken and fish. I drink water with no fluoride, brush with non-fluoridated toothpaste etc. already).

I’m not sure I’d do it again. I still can't even think about the smell of the brew without feeling slightly nauseous. But at the same time, I wonder if it might take another try to work? Anyone else have the experience of no experience (or a disappointing experience) the first time around?

[Orph]

I have to say, as someone who has been on a searching/ spiritual quest for the last couple of years, it is depressing to think I might be in that minority. I have always had problems mediating too, and I seem to be unable to induce an OBE. What is wrong with me?

Although I've never tried ayahuasca, I find myself in the same boat you are. I've been searching my entire adult life for, ........ ???? something?? The meaning of life?? A connection to something?? Something. But all I get is a whole lot of nothing. And I read here on P.A. all these wonderful experiences people have. Some without even trying at all while others maybe just starting their "search" and getting results of one form or another in a very short period of time.

And so I feel the same as you, ........ what is wrong with me. Well, I don't think anything is wrong with us of course, but it can be a bit disheartening and frustrating at times. Oh well. All we can do is to continue on our journey.

:high5:

[bruno dante]

Hey guys, how does it differ from LSD? I mean aside from the nausea.

I'm considering having a go here. I'm in the middle of a messy divorce and I just feel like I need to see a different reality...if only for a night.

[Wind]

This is what McKenna had to say about it.

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[Constance]

Sting and his thougths on ayahuasca

https://vimeo.com/56429245

[naste.de.lumina]

Trip scenes from the movie Renegade aka Blueberry. A film by Jan Kounen.

Ayahuasca Visions
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Alledged wayward adolescent Louisiana gentleman Michael 'Mike' Blueberry is dumped by his family with a Wild West uncle. The brute's only 'motivation' is a stick. After a nearly fatal encounter in the brothel with Wallace 'Wally' Sebastian Blount, Mike is left for dead in the desert. A Chiricuahua (Apache) medicine man's family finds, nurses and initiates him. After the shaman's death, Mike returns and becomes the town's honest 'deputy' marshal. Gold fever strikes, with staged Indian brutalities to allow rivaling fiends to invade their sacred mountains.

Director: Jan Kounen
Writers: Matthieu Le Naour (screenplay) (as Matt Alexander) , Alexandre Coquelle (screenplay) (as Matt Alexander)
Stars: Vincent Cassel, Michael Madsen, Juliette Lewis

Blueberry (2004) Full movie
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[Morbid]

that film is absolutely phenomenal!

[TargeT]

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Don't toy with the plant teachers!

[Laurel]

Has anyone been to or know anything about the Spirit Vine Ayahuasca Retreat in Brazil? Reviews online are very positive. I am considering booking trip, and am hoping someone might have a little insight into this place.

https://spiritvineretreats.com/

[DeDukshyn]

Well, I couldn't find any negative info on them, that might say a fair bit actually.

[Mike]

This type of thing has always appealed to me. The degree to which it is wise or foolish depends largely on luck, I think. You have to get to the retreat in one piece, that's number 1. Second you have to find the right shaman or shamans, which is no easy matter, from what I understand. Third, you have to pray you don't sh!t yourself after a few sips of that funky brew and run off into the inky night playing soccer with imaginary skulls...never to be seen again.

The opportunity for catharsis seems equally balanced by the chance of disaster. I think I'd have to be pretty desperate to truly consider it, which is precisely why I've been truly considering it lately.

I just have this sinking feeling it would be a one way trip for me. Id go insane during a sitting and stay behind, wandering those rustic villiages looking like Tom Hanks from 'Castaway', eating crickets and spiders to stay alive. Over time i'd morph into a Colonel Kurtz type character, and give gentle sounding soliloquies about the merits of madness to my imaginary friends...

But don't let me discourage you.

[5th]

That's a very pessimistic view Mike! For most people Ayahuasca is the best and easiest route to spiritual awakening and a way of truly seeing the demons within (trauma repressions) that are holding them back in life. In fact, it is exactly these that give rise to your negative view on the matter...

But yes, you need a good shaman or guide and then you have nothing to lose except bad things and everything to gain. I would highlyrecommend it to anyone who feels a calling. Go for it, take that leap of faith into the unknown.

[Orobo]

Laurel,

I checked out the site and it is well done, both the site and the retreats. This is kind of the pinnacle of modernized ayahuasca use.
If you can spare the money it seems like a safe way to meet the tea.

Seems like this is the place where David Icke got his experiences.

If you are more the adventurous type there are other, less expensive options.
For us western peoples the group sharing is a great way to learn from each other. That the person there has been an experienced psycho-therapist is a nice thing also.

One of the people I met was a brazillian man, psychologist if I am not mistaken, who became enlightened. He has an ashram in India and a centre near Sao Paolo. Where he works with a crossover between the brazillian way and the Indian way. "Path of the Heart" it is called. Lots of westerners visit.

Another path I walked was with Brazillians living in the amazon, who after some years started a cooperation with indians in the forrest. Then you are talking about Rapé (snuff tobacco and ash-mix) and the Sapô/kambô (the heavy frog slime cleansing ritual, non-hallucinogenic)
The more primitive tour that would be.
I visited also the village of the Santo Daime people near Boca de Acre int the amazon, which is another road. More like christian imagery/lore and the vine. This is a real mix, which has little to do, if any, with christendom as a power system.

They are all different ways to harness the possibilities ayahuasca offers. The site you came up with looks definately appealing for westerners.

My take, so far, is that it is a nice crash course to get a kick in da butt and reset on a deep psychological level. Very nice in combination with the physical reset fasting makes possible.

I stopped altogether since the returns deminished. No need to linger. But I am willing to share my experiences.
I am the silent ear on the forum, until there is something can contribute with instead of futureshocking. Keeping it lean and mean so to speak.

PM me if you like, for questions about the process. Or ask me here, for all to see.

Love, O.

[Sunny-side-up]

Has anyone been to or know anything about the Spirit Vine Ayahuasca Retreat in Brazil? Reviews online are very positive. I am considering booking trip, and am hoping someone might have a little insight into this place.

https://spiritvineretreats.com/


Pun intended ? :)

As long as you trust the Shaman and the rest of the group and try to pair up with some one, to look out for each other.
Wish I was going.
:sun:

[Orobo]

Sunny,

There are people in the UK doing sessions. but sure, going there is something else.

O.

[Mike]

That's a very pessimistic view Mike! For most people Ayahuasca is the best and easiest route to spiritual awakening and a way of truly seeing the demons within (trauma repressions) that are holding them back in life. In fact, it is exactly these that give rise to your negative view on the matter...

But yes, you need a good shaman or guide and then you have nothing to lose except bad things and everything to gain. I would highlyrecommend it to anyone who feels a calling. Go for it, take that leap of faith into the unknown.



i agree with you 5th- take the leap of faith! i'm all for it, actually.

my last post was a little tongue in cheek, but i really do have 'what if' fears and all that. but i wouldn''t let them stop me if i had the resources for the trip. i think i'd go thru with it.

as an aside: there is a really cool documentary on netflix called 'the last shaman' - originally brought to my attention by Rachel - about a college age guy who seeks out a shaman as a last resort for his depression and hopelessness. i strongly recommend it. it gives the viewer a realistic look into what the whole process is like

[Retief]

Laurel,

Last month I attended a weekend retreat at https://www.ayahuascachurches.org/. The program was 3 ceremonies over the weekend. It was a great (although in my case hard) experience and the staff was very professional. As the old saying goes you might not get what you want but you'll get what you need. That was certainly true in my case. I plan on going again sometime in the future. Good fortune in your journey.

[Laurel]

Thanks to everyone for the fantastic comments and advice! :heart:


Well, I couldn't find any negative info on them, that might say a fair bit actually.


I checked out the site and it is well done, both the site and the retreats. This is kind of the pinnacle of modernized ayahuasca use.
If you can spare the money it seems like a safe way to meet the tea.

Thank you for checking it out. It seems to be about the same price as the retreats in Peru and Ecuador, and about half the price of the one in Costa Rica.

I remember reading a thread awhile back about the ashram in India. It sounds fascinating.



Pun intended ? :)

As long as you trust the Shaman and the rest of the group and try to pair up with some one, to look out for each other.
Wish I was going.
:sun:

LOL!! Nice catch :bigsmile:
The person I was supposed to do this with changed his mind. I would have been nice to have a friend there, but ultimately this is my personal journey.
You’re more than welcome to join me.


Last month I attended a weekend retreat at https://www.ayahuascachurches.org/. The program was 3 ceremonies over the weekend. It was a great (although in my case hard) experience and the staff was very professional. As the old saying goes you might not get what you want but you'll get what you need. That was certainly true in my case. I plan on going again sometime in the future. Good fortune in your journey.

This isn’t quite what I’m looking for at this time, but I’ll keep it in mind for the future. I appreciate the info!


This type of thing has always appealed to me. The degree to which it is wise or foolish depends largely on luck, I think. You have to get to the retreat in one piece, that's number 1. Second you have to find the right shaman or shamans, which is no easy matter, from what I understand. Third, you have to pray you don't sh!t yourself after a few sips of that funky brew and run off into the inky night playing soccer with imaginary skulls...never to be seen again.

The opportunity for catharsis seems equally balanced by the chance of disaster. I think I'd have to be pretty desperate to truly consider it, which is precisely why I've been truly considering it lately.

I just have this sinking feeling it would be a one way trip for me. Id go insane during a sitting and stay behind, wandering those rustic villiages looking like Tom Hanks from 'Castaway', eating crickets and spiders to stay alive. Over time i'd morph into a Colonel Kurtz type character, and give gentle sounding soliloquies about the merits of madness to my imaginary friends...

But don't let me discourage you.

I’ve dipped my toes into the shimmering pool of madness, so falling all the way in or out can only be an improvement. Plus, I hear crickets are crunchy goodness that taste like chicken.

Getting to the retreat could be an upcoming challenge with the unrest in Brazil. The highway near my home in the land of cheese & beer has been completely shut down three times in the past few months due to shootings. Brazil can’t be much scarier than driving home from work.

I veered off my path years ago through choices - some good, some that I thought were good - and I feel like a phonograph needle stuck in the groove of Skeleton and Roses. I just need a nudge back onto the vinyl and not fade away. This is a rite of passage I need to make; to face my demons and gaze at the beauty they’ve been hiding.

[Morbid]

just remember to 'let go'.

[AutumnW]

That's a very pessimistic view Mike! For most people Ayahuasca is the best and easiest route to spiritual awakening and a way of truly seeing the demons within (trauma repressions) that are holding them back in life. In fact, it is exactly these that give rise to your negative view on the matter...

But yes, you need a good shaman or guide and then you have nothing to lose except bad things and everything to gain. I would highlyrecommend it to anyone who feels a calling. Go for it, take that leap of faith into the unknown.

Your opinion has to be countered, 5th. Approaching a drug with great caution indicates common sense. I'm fascinated with what I read about these trips too but realize that the entire experience is very specific to the individual.

Some people may not be wired mentally or physically for it. Other trippers may encounter shady faux shamans out to make a quick buck.

To infer caution is the result of some kind of subversive force interfering with the mind of the cautious comes across as a new form of fundamentalism, where those who refuse to embrace a god (or drug in this case) are possessed or in league with the devil.

Great that it worked for you and would love to hear more about your experiences though! Will you write about them? :clapping: you psychonaut share a remarkably brave bunch! Exploring what we currently refer to as inner worlds is the future of tourism. And I imagine it will take place in our own homes.

[seehas]

after being interested in the teacher plant "ayahuasca" for almost 20 years i knew that my time had come to participate in an ayahuasca ceremony, i was thinking about it the same day and a friend who is a shaman called me the same day, this was a sign and i asked if he would organize a ceremony soon.

the ceremony took place 2 weeks later and my diet started right on the day of the phone call, since i am a vegetarian this time is also sufficient.

after 2 weeks of strict diet it was then time, the night of the ceremony I received my ration of the brew and I was glad that there was not more in the cup I could just keep it in me the bitter taste should accompany me for many hours.

the candles in the room were extinguished and we found ourselves with closed eyes in full darkness in the room, the brew in my stomach provided a warmth that I could quickly perceive as love that spread throughout my body an indescribable feeling that became stronger and stronger

we were asked by the shaman if we would like to fill our cup with the brew again, i was the only one who said no, for me at that moment everything was perfect i had no desire for more

shortly after i could see rainbow colors everywhere the rainbow spread around me and the feeling of love was incredible at that moment i thought to myself "so this is ayahuasca" this was just the beginning of my incredible journey

the rainbow disappeared and suddenly a being stood directly in front of me it looked like the typical "grey" alien however the color was not grey but light brown/red and also the facial features were different and it had big black almond shaped eyes

i sent my love to the being and right after that i noticed something strange in the right eye of the being, when i looked closer i could see an eye in the eye, it was a human brown eye

my direct reaction was "hey that's you, i know you!" i laughed

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after that she showed herself it was like i felt it immediately mother ayahuasca she grinned at me i had unmasked her she stretched out her arm to me smiled at me lovingly and said come with me

then we flew off together

her look was very similar to the female character from the movie avatar but in human version, she was beautiful

she said to me come and dance and we danced and flew through the universe past planets and solar systems

i was pulled back into my body again and again my back ached she immediately came to me and held out her hand and said no come let's dance

the same thing happened when i noticed the bitter taste of the brew in my mouth she immediately came back to me and asked me to dance we flew away

she tells me that we have known each other for a very long time i thought about it wow a very long time what does that mean she kept repeating it for a very very long time after that

I ask how do we know each other?

then i saw an indian standing in a clearing below him a beautiful landscape of meadows and forests the indian was wearing a feather in his hair the indian was me

afterwards i saw myself as an indian with my tribe around a fire we celebrated a ritual and danced it was an indescribable feeling of connection and love we lived in harmony with nature

in this ritual i turned into a falcon and flew but i did not fly alone i flew with mother aya we flew together over meadows, forests, mountains through waterfalls it was an indescribable feeling of love and freedom

i changed back to my current self and we flew together she started to show me planets but it was too fast she showed me more than 20 planets in a few seconds i asked her to slow down and she laughed

after flying past hundreds of planets she told me "you are a sun so shine" then i turned into a star it looked like liquid gold and i spread my energy/love into the universe, she repeated that sentence many many times "you are a sun so shine"

the whole experience was all about love and i could write many hundred lines more, this experience was the deepest connection ive ever felt my entire live, i never felt bad in any part of the ceremony and mother aya took care of me, the best thing that ever happened to me

there is only love, everything else is an illusion :heart: