Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

[AMystic3434]

Sometimes I wonder if it was just some sort an evolution of light and conciousness that somehow created the souls and the souls learned to come down into the dencer dimensions and ended up creating this universe and that maybe there was no god behind it. Or was it a god that created the souls and he makes us come to earth and be born here for whatever reason. Should I be afraid of god.

[Wind]

It depends on how you define God.

No, you never should be afraid of God. God is love.

[modwiz]

All things are possible with God. :p

[Fred Steeves]

Should I be afraid of god.

I'd be wary of the one depicted in the Old Testament anyway, maybe even sleep with a dog by my side.

[modwiz]

Should I be afraid of god.

I'd be wary of the one depicted in the Old Testament anyway, maybe even sleep with a dog by my side.

You could be like Moses' wife Zipporah and fling a foreskin in his path when he comes to murder you. Can't make that kind of stuff up and still expect to be taken seriously. Oh wait, millions of Americans do. :doh:

Moral of this story: Always keep a few foreskins handy if you intend to piss off god.

Now we see the true value of circumcision.....Ammunition. God-bane :jester:

[9eagle9]

I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?

[modwiz]

I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?

:pound: Need a few legal tips? :rofl:

[TargeT]

I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?

I'm sort of attached to it.....


I think the modern "god" schism is the typical CO-INTEL-PRO approach, "they" (Archonic energy, ED's, demons... label it what you will) saw something that was very effective and seemingly important to persona growth, Co-oped it and turned it into their own tool.

what hasn't this been done to? Ron Paul anyone? need more examples?

[9eagle9]

In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

[modwiz]

In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

[meeradas]

great threat/d!

[9eagle9]

Don't you try to sweet talk me, I believe you as far as I could hurl your foreskin.

If God is threatened by a foreskin what happens if you throw the entire...ahem...banana at Him?



In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

[Prodigal Son]

God separated himself into little pieces and gave them to us so that we could evolve back towards him after going through the refinement process. He did this out of loneliness and the desire to share unconditional love with other Godlike creatures. That makes ALL of us Co-Creators and a vested part of the whole business of existence. Your consciousness is eternal and indestructible. YOU cannot be erased from the Akash, the Book of Life, the great Hall of Records, ever!

I look at it this way: There was a reason why the ancient myths depicted the sun, moon, planets and stars as "Gods". It seems that each galaxy is a sentient being that is evolving. It also appears that they are evolved more towards the extremities of their "arms" than they are nearer the middle, but the programming data for all life that forms and evolves in it emanates from the center, or black hole. This black hole is the portal to higher dimensions where the "big guy" resides. But when we're talking about the Prime Source, he cannot materialize in matter, he needs to go through a sort of step-down transformer referred to in the Bible as Wisdom, Sophia, or the Master Worker. This would be the Logos.

Rather than envision God as an individual, it helped me immensely to study metaphysics, particular things like the Kabbalistic Tree Of Life, to get the sense of how the material world results at the lowest end of the vast array of vibrational frequencies that ultimately lead up to "God".

The good news is as Star Seed said, God is Love. No need to be afraid of Love, unless you're consciously choosing the negative path. Thankfully, Love is what makes these sentient galaxies grow and thrive and function and evolve and this determines that Love always wins out in the end. As you know, there are trillions of galaxies that we know of. There could be trillions more. And then, there may be untold numbers of galaxies in higher dimensions, and there is no limit to how many dimensions there could be. Each one of them is at a different stage in its evolution. It appears that spirits like ourselves choose where we will go according to how that world needs us and we need it, for soul growth. And to top it all off, each galaxy is made of different building blocks, has different scientific principles and as a result the laws of physics may vary from place to place. For instance, in another galaxy, you may see something far different from the Fibonacci sequence utilizing an entirely different system of mathematics.

In summary, I think we make a mistake when we try to compartmentalize God. God is everything and anything and the sum of all possibilities. Pythagoras discovered God in Mathematics and Music. Unfortunately, there's no other way to commune directly with the hierarchies above us until we achieve Gnosis.

I happen to be in the middle of a two-part article about how "God" comes into the material world that I'm finding resonates very well with my intuition.....

The Great Chain of Being

http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Great-Chain-of-Being%282218786%29.htm

[David Trd1]

You could be like Moses' wife Zipporah and fling a foreskin in his path when he comes to murder you. Can't make that kind of stuff up and still expect to be taken seriously. Oh wait, millions of Americans do. :doh:

Moral of this story: Always keep a few foreskins handy if you intend to piss off god.

Now we see the true value of circumcision.....Ammunition. God-bane :jester:


Got a good belly laugh there,with thanks.:)

[modwiz]

OK. To honor this thread properly. No god? The god concept is seriously messed up on this planet. The Abrahamic religions are all Sumerian Annunaki constructs conflated with a some very touching and valid mystical impressions, IMO. The result is a system that infects more than it instructs.

I clearly perceive an Intelligence that provides a Source and lattice for consciousness to unfold and play. Learning and playing are the same thing when all is right.

So the god most of us have been raised with is as likable as a bank CEO and just a psychopathic.

The Afterlife and the Beforelife are the native environment of our greater consciousness. This Planet, Gaia, is on her own learning/playing path. Once we join Her in stabilizing our collective vision things will take on a more pleasing and enriching way of being. Gaia, is local and an emanation from a greater Whole. She has peers in this cosmos. We are destined to be one of them, in some form.

My conclusion is there is no objectively real biblical god with cosmic powers, but there is an All That Is. It demands nothing. Our demands are best sourced from within, but from our higher nature. Parasitic energies abound and confound. By their fruits you will know them, if you know thyself.

:focus:

[Timreh]

Sometimes I wonder if it was just some sort an evolution of light and conciousness that somehow created the souls and the souls learned to come down into the dencer dimensions and ended up creating this universe and that maybe there was no god behind it. Or was it a god that created the souls and he makes us come to earth and be born here for whatever reason. Should I be afraid of god.

As much as I enjoy pondering answers to questions like that they are probably really unimportant and too deep for the mind?
We are all here having this experience for a reason, I wouldn’t be afraid of God but I would be mindful of Universal Laws or Karma and how one conducts one’s life.

[modwiz]

Karma, another Archontic construct distorted so that we won't kill the psychopaths without fearing for our souls. Now, that is some seriously potent mind-fark.

There is a validity to a karmic concept, IMO. The Archons have distorted it to their own benefit. By their logic, anti-biotics would incur karma, since they are pathogens and want us to believe that applying proper genetic and planetary hygiene would put our future lives in peril.

They are good at confusion, or we are simple. What we are not, is psychopathic killers like them. They play that to the fullest and tell us we would be just like them if we were in their positions.

Did I say they are good at this stuff?

[Prodigal Son]

Karma, another Archontic construct distorted so that we won't kill the psychopaths without fearing for our souls. Now, that is some seriously potent mind-fark.

There is a validity to a karmic concept, IMO. The Archons have distorted it to their own benefit. By their logic, anti-biotics would incur karma, since they are pathogens and want us to believe that applying proper genetic and planetary hygiene would put our future lives in peril.



I think you would enjoy this excerpt from the link I posted up there^


Here is wisdom: there is no such thing as karmic reincarnation. Reincarnation is about free choice and free will. We, not karma, determine our fate. There is no "force" seeking to punish us and drag us into lower life forms. Everyone chooses what to become back as. An irrational person would never choose to come back as a genius for the simple reason that the thought would never occur to him: such people are not attracted by the idea of being wise. Imagine the sort of person who watchesX-FactororAmerican Idoldeciding what they would like to reincarnate as. They will be eager to come back as a celebrity or a rich person - because that's where their mentality lies. These people would never want to come back as mathematicians, philosophers, scientists or theologians because they find all of these things utterly boring.

Until they start to wise up they will never acquire the mental tools necessary to achieve enlightenment. No one, other than themselves, denied them the tools. It was their own choice, no one imposed it on them, and certainly not some mystery force called karma. The idea of karmic reincarnation is applicable only if karma if defined as a law of consequence with regard to CHOICE rather than ACTION. In conventional karmic theory, bad action will have a consequence of a reincarnational DESCENT. In more sophisticated karmic theory, irrational choices lead most often to reincarnational repetition and magnification. Stupid people make stupid choices. That's why they're stupid. They bring their own karma upon themselves by virtue of their character, not their morality. "Character is fate", said Heraclitus and that is the true doctrine of karma. It is your OWN CHARACTER that guides you through the process of reincarnation, not your previous deeds. A bad person doesn't come back at a lower level; a bad person typically comes back at a higher level where they can express their badness even more efficiently.

In conventional karmic theory, the Old World Order with all of their success, wealth and power are seemingly being rewarded for their merit in prior existences. In the Heraclitean karmic theory, the members of the Old World Order are people of a character that would do absolutely anything for earthly success, wealth and power. They crave it. They lust after it. They want it again and again. They will trample over anyone to get it. These people were not meritorious in the past - they were the absolute opposite. They have always been greedy, selfish, self-interested narcissists, happy to screw over anyone who gets in their way. They are MONSTERS. They are the least enlightened people on earth.

People bedazzled by earthly pleasures will keep coming back in ways in which they can enjoy those pleasures. They will never turn their sights towards higher ends. The Old World Order are completely consumed by the desire for personal pleasure, power, riches and glory. They keep repeating the same pattern. They never learn. They never gaze towards the heavens. They don't think they need to - because they have created their personal heaven on earth. In psychological terms, these people have a psyche driven by the Id. They are almost bestial.

Is an extremely rich and successful person enjoying good or bad karma? According to conventional karmic theory he is being rewarded for his good deeds in past lives. In our version, he is being neither rewarded nor punished - he is choosing exactly the life he desires according to his character. But precisely because of those choices, he is making it harder and harder for himself ever to attain gnosis. In that respect, he is someone to be pitied. He remains forever in the orbit of Satan rather than rising towards the divine light. The Old World Order and their like are the last ones in existence who will "become God". They will be there with Satan at the very end…the final obstacle to cosmic completion.

The idea that rich people are being karmically "rewarded" is obscene and must be demolished if we are ever to have a better world. If it is karmic justice that the rich are rich and the poor poor then we might as well all accept our lot in life. It is exactly because of this disgusting idea that the Eastern religions of Enlightenment have never achieved a better and nobler world than the West. Eastern religions preach the NECESSITY and MORALITY of differences in wealth and power. They preach absolute passivity towards Power. Thus, even though they have come at the problem from an entirely different perspective, they have ended up with a set of religious beliefs that are entirely compatible with rule by a rich Elite - the Old World Order. Thus are they far from enlightenment.

The Eastern religions, although they are far wiser than Abrahamism, have resulted in nothing of worth. Why? Because of the Satanic idea of moral karma. This is one of the most false and evil teachings ever foisted on the human race.

Everything is about choice, not about inevitable moral cause and effect. Here is wisdom: the evil, more often than not, are REWARDED, NOT PUNISHED for their wickedness. The good, more often than not, are PENALISED FOR THEIR GOODNESS. Here is wisdom - "KARMA" WORKS IN REVERSE. Good people acquire "bad karma" (i.e. their virtue brings them pain) and bad people "good karma" (i.e. their wickedness is rewarded). "Greed is good", is the true statement of karma. Money goes to money. The rich keep getting richer. The powerful keep getting more powerful. They can behave as wickedly as they like and they are NEVER punished. They own the courts, they own the system of justice, they shape the world in their image, they create dynastic families that rule the world in perpetuity. There is nothing accidental about any of it. It is planned. It is a CONSPIRACY against the rest of the human race, and all the decent people of the world must put a stop to this diabolical plot.

Anyone who wants a better world has to be utterly opposed to any type of karmic thinking. People choose their "fate", and because most people are not very bright they make poor choices. What could be more logical or straightforward? There are no karmic mysteries. There is no karmic force surrounding us and pulling our strings. We are free agents making free choices. Our problem is that we all too often choose what we want rather than what we need. We make poor, shortsighted and counter-productive choices. If we were all far smarter, we would all make far better choices. EDUCATION is the key to the future. Everyone needs to learn how to make smart choices.

All around us, we see good and decent people being shafted and the greedy and unpleasant people who do the shafting getting wealthier and wealthier, more and more powerful. "Nice guys" always finish second. How can anyone subscribe to a mysterious force called karma that is supposedly punishing the wicked and rewarding the righteous if the plain evidence of our world is that the opposite is true? You would need to be mad to believe in karma. It is comprehensively refuted by all the available and self-evident facts. Karma is the single concept that has ruined the East. It has been a deadly toxin to the religions of enlightenment. It has brought the opposite: endarkenment.

[markpierre]

Well the afterlife just wouldn't be much fun without something to aim for.

God might not be anything like you'd think, but there is a God. Where do you think love comes from?

[Billy]

The Creator created all that is. we are part of all that is and at one with the creator. Humanity created what we term as Gods. They are beings who are also part of all that is. Some of them have such huge Ego's that they eventually believed in what we made them.

There are no Gods, There is a supreme creator which is Divine in nature and loves all that is.
there is no need to fear. Be like the creator and love all that is without fear. That includes yourself.

My thoughts

Peace

[modwiz]

Don't you try to sweet talk me, I believe you as far as I could hurl your foreskin.

If God is threatened by a foreskin what happens if you throw the entire...ahem...banana at Him?



In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

He will slip and fall?

Banana daiquiris?

[Bill Ryan]

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Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

Yep!

[donk]

I think separating the creator from the creation (as well as how limiting our language is) is the root of fear of "god/God".

All the gods, all life, all death, all afterlife...is all creator, is all creation, and there's nothing to fear.....

....but fear is part of creation too!! So try not fear "fear". Can't have love without it :cool:

[another bob]

I have a good Friend who has done a lot of travelling in the higher frequencies, and gained an interesting perspective as a result. He recently shared these notes in regard to some of the matters being considered here and elsewhere on the Forum regarding Karma and such:


Is there an accounting for misdeeds, ie Karmic consequence?

The short answer would be no. It's not a matter of being held accountable, as much as remembering who we are, and getting our head screwed on straight before we are again able to wield our true power as spirits of immense power.

Part of that process, depends on the rules of the game, and that is, that no one can tell you who and what you are, until you yourself seek assistance. Forgetting who we are, and getting trapped into thinking that we are just mortal human beings, that must be "Good" in order to be "Saved", is all just part of the game that we must figure out and overcome. We don't need saving, we just need remembering.

It's really all just manmade lies designed to trap us in the Astral Realms when we die, so that we will have to re-incarnate back into the 3-D physical, where The Powers That Be (who hold dominion over this Earth realm) can continue to use us as their slave labor. Even when we return to the Astral Realms, if we don't know that we can simply ask to go home, we don't. And no one there can tell you. And if we don't learn that, here in the physical, we just continue to be trapped, and keep coming back for more fun and games, until we do learn to ask when we cross over into the Astral. And chances are pretty slim, that when some dies, that they will ask to go home. They will just be tickled to death that they made it to Heaven.

When we go home to the realm of Source we do not have that problem.


Regarding souls who end up in hellish realms after death:

I must address this sufficiently as I feel that I have not. They went there because of their own stinking thinking. They were not smart enough to get past the lies that they were raised with, and never figured out that it was all lies, because their parents didn't know, and their friends and co-workers, and Pastors, Preachers, and Priests, didn't know. Unless one steps outside the box, and learns to think for themself, they will not find their way to their Higher Self/Source. The rest is just man made B/S.


Why don't the evil elite go to hell? Simple... because they know they don't have to.

OK, this is where it gets "tricky". Religion was designed to trap us from going home, somewhere in the Astral Realms, or even hellish realms, and then to reincarnate back here, and to repeat this cycle over and over again, at least until we figure out the game. Those who cross into the Astral, believing that they might go to hell because they haven't been "Good", will indeed go to such "places", simply by the nature of their beliefs, which grant such realms a virtual reality. When one learns eventually how the game is played, they can go straight to Higher Self/Source, when they cross over into the Astral.

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go. Hell is for people that have been "Hoodwinked" into winding up there. And the Evil Elite just keep reincarnating back into the Elite community, and teaching people that they must go to hell if they are not "good" and have not been "saved". And Source is just sitting there in utter amazement, that his children can be so gullible for so long.

I am in utter amazement that nobody seems to be taking the bait on NDE's. The absolutely wide and varied spectrum of people having NDE's is a heads up clue, that there may be much more to this life, than we are being taught. But... most just say... oh! that's interesting, and that's as far as they get. People are being shown that it is possible to go into the Astral Realms, and come back, without dying, and yet they just sit here, and do nothing about it. The stories of the NDE'rs is so varied, because they are only shown that which their belief system can cope with. And when NDE'rs die, they go to whatever they were shown, because that is now what they believe is waiting for them.


Good or bad, right or wrong, mean and evil or loving and compassionate:

If there is no right or wrong, and this is all just experience, then what's the point of it all? Source prefers us to be good, but He does not punish us if we are not. That is all man made B/S to control the sleeping. It is just experience in that regard. However, He wants us to experience both, so that we will understand the difference, because we had become rather complacent being nothing but good all the time, and it was not appreciated as well as when people have a choice, as to how they treat one another.

To experience unconditional love is so much better than trying to live with someone who is constantly contentious toward us. Treating others, as we would like to be treated, is far better than the opposite. It's really just that simple. There is no right or wrong way. We're here to learn to love unconditionally, no matter what someone does to us. And it is Religion that has held us back. That is Religion's sole purpose: to keep us fighting over who's right and who's wrong, and so they will not let us just be ourself, and love all, as we love ourself.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Since we don´t actually know if there´s a god, just like we don´t actually know what happens after we die, I think it´s quite possible to exist a god without afterlife or to exist an afterlife without a god.

The nice thing about not knowing is that it makes anything possible.

Raf.

[Marsila]

Hi Amystic3434, there are more than 7 billion people on Earth at the moment, so 7 billion different 'answers' and 'opinions' to your question.

atm 0.000000000141713 of these "humans" thinks that yes maybe there is as they would like to believe there is something bigger and better and kinder and with a bigger 'heart' than they could even begin to imagine out there. They also think the real 'source' or whatever others chose to call it, has no direct relation to the one religious preachers and people with an agenda keep terrifying people with, to the point that they loathe anything associated with whoever that entity is. but who knows?

But it does not matter, the answer to that question for you, is what do you think? even if it contradicts with what i wrote, it is a truth for you, as it is the answer that matches with your life story, and so the right one for you.

that decimal point number is just 1 divided by the number of the human population at that second according to a world population meter, because it is only what i feel and not a conclusive thing which could be proven or imposed on the other more than 7 billion humans wondering about that question for a big deal of their lives to.

[Eram]

Is there an accounting for misdeeds, ie Karmic consequence?

The short answer would be no.

Regarding souls who end up in hellish realms after death:

I must address this sufficiently as I feel that I have not. They went there because of their own stinking thinking.

...

OK, this is where it gets "tricky". Religion was designed to trap us from going home, somewhere in the Astral Realms, or even hellish realms, and then to reincarnate back here, and to repeat this cycle over and over again, at least until we figure out the game.

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go.





There is no karma? (It always felt fishy to me :) )
So... when we cross over, we can just ask to go back to source/God/Godess/it/Creator?
We can just ask to step out of the incarnation cycle?

wow!!

I wonder if other people feel the magnitude 12 earthquake coming of of this...

[another bob]

Is there an accounting for misdeeds, ie Karmic consequence?

The short answer would be no.

Regarding souls who end up in hellish realms after death:

I must address this sufficiently as I feel that I have not. They went there because of their own stinking thinking.

...

OK, this is where it gets "tricky". Religion was designed to trap us from going home, somewhere in the Astral Realms, or even hellish realms, and then to reincarnate back here, and to repeat this cycle over and over again, at least until we figure out the game.

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go.





There is no karma? (It always felt fishy to me :) )
So... when we cross over, we can just ask to go back to source/God/Godess/it/Creator?
We can just ask to step out of the incarnation cycle?

wow!!

I wonder if other people feel the magnitude 12 earthquake coming of of this...



Oo8szDkpcsM

[another bob]

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go.



http://www.pbase.com/1heart/youll_decide


:yo:

[9eagle9]

Penal Colada.



Don't you try to sweet talk me, I believe you as far as I could hurl your foreskin.

If God is threatened by a foreskin what happens if you throw the entire...ahem...banana at Him?



In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

He will slip and fall?

Banana daiquiris?

[Eram]

Oo8szDkpcsM

What she says feels good.
Ever since I read about God and unconditional love and our gift of free will in the books from Neal D. Walsch, I couldn't make sense out of the Karma stories.
Just could not fit them together.

[Finefeather]

The video above is correct. (I don't want to re post it again)
Karma ONLY manifests in the physical realm.
You choose your life, with the help and guidance of higher beings to start off with, as you grow you have more input into your choice, this is ONLY if you are a young soul, but it is ALWAYS your choice.
Karma is a term which comes from eastern wisdom and is completely misunderstood by many. Lets take a really simple example:

Lets imagine you are really dumb. :)
When you place your hand on a hot stove...(cause).
Karma is the burn that takes place because of your ignorance...(effect).
Overcoming Karma is simply to not touch the hot stove.
Wisdom is knowing you must not touch the hot stove.
Instinct is your automatic karma avoider.
As we become wiser, by having more knowledge from our life experiences, we cause less and less karma in each life because the wisdom we have gained becomes the instinct of tomorrow.
Karma creates nothing and does not design.

Reincarnation is choosing a life in which you can gain the knowledge, hence the wisdom, to prevent karma in your life. This is exactly what spirituality is, and exactly our goal. To live a life free of making wrong choices.
You are the cause of your karma because of your ignorance, karma has nothing to do with it, karma is just another word for the effect a wrong action has on you.
Imagine all the wrong choices we have made to get us into the state we are in today.

If you understand this law of the universe properly, and it may take a while, you will realise and come to know that the universe is neutral and it is our actions that cause the conflicts we encounter in life. The universe is filled with love, why are we fighting it?
Love to all

[9eagle9]

Karma amounts to the unresolved issues, and trauma we drag around through other lives. I personally don't buy into the idea we are choosing to come here to work out some experience that needs to work out because if we are immortal unimpeded spirits between lives we could more easily and smartly deal with that sort of thing while we are not in physical form. Being in a physical illusion existence poses a certain amount of challenge to working out our crap.

But each incarnation here is an opportunity to work your **** out, especially if one is experiencing repeated patterns of undesirable events. There's your symptom, then deal with it. You resolve one issue and then you uncover several more .

If you've married your mother five times in this lifetime chances are you started that 'walking in circles' sort of pattern in another life time.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Lets imagine you are really dumb.

We don't have to imagine that....we are really dumb..

[WanderingRogue]

If karma teaches our instincts through some type of spiritual, cosmic or genetic memory, it would seem that we could get through life without burning our hands on hot things. I have 5 children, I am the oldest of 4 children, I am the oldest of 30+ grandchildren....all have burned their hand at one point or another on something that is obviously hot and to be avoided....even if they were not really dumb. I know this was meant as a simple explanation, however, it would seem logical to conclude that these simple things would have been the first karmic instincts to become inherent in most. Yet, the opposite is true. Most will touch a hot thing and get burned.

I for one cannot subscribe to karma in the way it is understood by any explanation I have come across. If it were a cosmic truth, I think it would be naturally fitting to us and we would easily adopt the belief, it would feel right in that place within us that settles between the mind, emotions, spirituality, and the physical body....but it doesn't. It requires blind faith or twisted logic to understand.

I do not think that the majority of all humans on this planet have an accurate view of God either. I do not think of God as most would though. Arguments over whether God is a he or a she, or called this or called that is of little importance with regards to what, or who God is. In fact calling God by the title God is a bit strange. That term has been muddied up pretty good in our language at least...thanks to religions that have lost sight of the purpose of spirituality and use religion in the name of God(s) to control masses through fear and shame...and that I think causes people to either automatically make a positive or negative opinion about any discussion about God. For example, I personally have a very common name and I find that all to often people have preconceived ideas of who I might be simply because they have known others with the same name. My gender, basic personality traits, and heritage are among the things assumed. These things in no way define who I really am, and people dont mean to be judgmental, but their fear tells them to be, so I find that I have been liked or disliked based on nothing other than my name. I even changed my name to something quite different from anyone else that I had ever known, and the difference was amazing...people loved the name and so they loved me....or better yet, what they thought they knew about me. But i knew. The same is true I think for God, or whatever name one associates with God. Your past experience will taint your view, even if it turns out that your past experience was based on a lie or upon your own expectations with the name or title for God stamped upon it.

I think I'm bordering upon rambling, and I am sure I will have a better opportunity to share my person perception of "God" (and i use that term loosly) at another time. But, as to the original question posed, I think that a higher life form does exist and that there is much more to our individual being than our physical body. I don't think that belief is a requirement. God exists as a part of natural order, so whatever happens after death happens regardless of your belief. Just like the burn from the hot thing. As to what actually happens, not sure yet, but I think it's probably pretty good. Of course, this is just my current opinion, and time and experience is likely going to change my understanding.

[9eagle9]

I experience God as a non conscious energy that works through me because I am part of that energy. I call it God for conversational sakes but view it as Creation or Source or Creation Matrix energy. I can't align with that energy in a conscious way because our consciousness, various aspects of our psyche are not of that energy. If we become consciousness dominated as we are now we can't align with that energy. People who speak of nothing but 'consciousness' expansion ....I wince when I hear that.

Counsciouness is mostly composed of alienation.

I could go on and attempt to describe my witnessing of creation matrix but it would simply be a consciouness representation. It's somethign that is shown , not told. Experienced, not witnessed, allowed to be expressed in whatever fashion it expresses as without judgement.

Humility would actually be allowing creation to move through you without judging it.

[DeDukshyn]

I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?

One of the best posts I've heard from you in while ... but then I have a twisted sense of humour ;) -- although clearly not the only one ... ;) Thanks, I have sore abs now ..

[modwiz]

I experience God as a non conscious energy that works through me because I am part of that energy. I call it God for conversational sakes but view it as Creation or Source or Creation Matrix energy. I can't align with that energy in a conscious way because our consciousness, various aspects of our psyche are not of that energy. If we become consciousness dominated as we are now we can't align with that energy. People who speak of nothing but 'consciousness' expansion ....I wince when I hear that.

Counsciouness is mostly composed of alienation.

I could go on and attempt to describe my witnessing of creation matrix but it would simply be a consciouness representation. It's somethign that is shown , not told. Experienced, not witnessed, allowed to be expressed in whatever fashion it expresses as without judgement.

Humility would actually be allowing creation to move through you without judging it.

Amen, sister.

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders"

[David Trd1]

Is it possible??

Can you i-magi-ne it?

[Tony]

This depends on 'your' understanding.

[Elly]

It's like saying "Is it possible that there is no god but still life?". When one studies life's processes and design, it it very hard to believe that it is all just the result of chance. So, both are interlinked.

The interviewer's and the speaker's personal beliefs aside, this testimony is very telling in my opinion.

bcOvWGuQTow

[Finefeather]

Dear WanderingRogue
Thank you for your astute analyses of some of my post. After reading it again I believe I should have added more detail. In doing so I am not going to change any basic meaning of my post. I am however going to try to add more substance by commenting on 2 points of your post.

If karma teaches our instincts through some type of spiritual, cosmic or genetic memory, it would seem that we could get through life without burning our hands on hot things. I have 5 children, I am the oldest of 4 children, I am the oldest of 30+ grandchildren....all have burned their hand at one point or another on something that is obviously hot and to be avoided....even if they were not really dumb. I know this was meant as a simple explanation, however, it would seem logical to conclude that these simple things would have been the first karmic instincts to become inherent in most. Yet, the opposite is true. Most will touch a hot thing and get burned.
You are right MOST will touch a hot thing and get burned, but not enough have experienced this burn for it to be part of our collective consciousness. You say: "all have burned their hand at one point or another on something that is obviously hot and to be avoided...." , well if it were so obvious then why did they touch it, if it was not either an accident or probably more likely that they were not aware (conscious) of the consequences?. Once we know this...(and this may take a few 'burns', remember this is only a simple example).(here lies the key to where reincarnation comes in)., have you not noticed how your involuntary nervous system takes over and tries to protect you without you even having consciously initiated the pullback? Well what I said was that the 'burn' we get from not having the knowledge of the consequences is called karma and this same idea manifests in all our lives in a multitudes of scenarios.
Instinct comes from millions of years of expansion of our collective minds and as we evolve those experiences which are, lets say common to all, drop down from our consciousness into our sub-conscious, and become what we know as instinct. You are a father of 5 children, you should then have noticed a babies instinct to move towards the nipple for food, I have seen this, and any mother will confirm this. This has evolved from millions of years of incarnation into human bodies. The time will come when we will know that hot is a no go zone. When I used the term 'tomorrow' in my post I was not literally saying it becomes instinctive from that point. At the point of realising and knowing the consequences of an action in our lives, and not falling into the same trap again, (and as I said, this could take a while, often many lifetimes), we have learnt not to incur the karma or consequence of touching a hot stove. Now this simple example is, of course, only a minute drop as to the untold scenarios that we can get ourselves into to incur karma or consequence. And so karma is simply a fancy word for what happens to us when we take some action in our lives which results in some form of hardship or conflict. Most people are not even aware of the conflict they incur because they think they are right because the ego is at work preventing them from seeing the error of their ways. The permutations are endless.


I for one cannot subscribe to karma in the way it is understood by any explanation I have come across. If it were a cosmic truth, I think it would be naturally fitting to us and we would easily adopt the belief, it would feel right in that place within us that settles between the mind, emotions, spirituality, and the physical body....but it doesn't. It requires blind faith or twisted logic to understand.

All I would like to point out to you here is that we, the human race, do adopt this belief in karma, but we have just misunderstood the term. We call it consequence, the result of our actions, the result of our choices or our free will, etc.
Personally, I would like to see this word disappear from our everyday use and more emphasis placed on the awareness of our actions towards each other. Our selfish and egotistic natures, and thank goodness there are many who have stepped above this, are the consequence of ALL of the conflict we see around us. This is what is known as karma. We will continue to incur it everyday of our lives, and we will repeat life after life, until we see the folly of our selfish attitudes and turn to unconditional love for humanity. The most important thing about understanding karma and it's link with reincarnation is to see reincarnation as, lets say, an athlete, who is determined to perfect some flaw in his game, he comes back time an time again in a self chosen decision to perfect the flaw....it is nothing more, and nothing less, the determination to succeed lies in the will of the athlete and so is the will of our spiritual self.

Finally, we all take life too seriously when it comes to religion and spirituality etc etc is concerned, and there are those who's sole intent is to make the lives of others a hell on earth, but we need to see life as a lesson in tolerance and love. When we return from our brief visit to the earth and look back at it, we will all be pleasantly surprised to find that this experience is one that we ourselves have chosen and we ourselves will choose to return when we like, because once you get hooked by the game, the challenge becomes so much more exiting.
Love to you

[Timreh]

Karma, another Archontic construct distorted so that we won't kill the psychopaths without fearing for our souls. Now, that is some seriously potent mind-fark.

There is a validity to a karmic concept, IMO. The Archons have distorted it to their own benefit. By their logic, anti-biotics would incur karma, since they are pathogens and want us to believe that applying proper genetic and planetary hygiene would put our future lives in peril.

They are good at confusion, or we are simple. What we are not, is psychopathic killers like them. They play that to the fullest and tell us we would be just like them if we were in their positions.

Did I say they are good at this stuff?

Away with the word Karma... for better choice of words how about Causality or Cause and Effect...


All life and matter is governed by Cause and Effect, look at coastal erosion from the onslaught of the waves, hunger that drives a wolf to feed, smoking and lung cancer, genetics and reproduction...
The principle of cause and effect is not limited to the physical plane especially if we consider that everything is moving and everything is vibrating sending off waves of energy out and beyond, us included.


So of course there is some validity to the k..... concept, they (archons) may have distorted it but we cannot be naive in thinking our thoughts and actions do not cause an effect “out there”... does this translate to some form of accountability?... I am still chewing on that one??

Add'l: Modwiz you got me thinking..

[Feren]

I always avoid to say that there is no god, although I tend to think that way. I avoid it because I just don't know. So I wonder why most of the people find no problem with the claim "god does exist".