The Shift: "We Are in 5 D" Dolores Cannon

[Mandala]

I happen to like Delores Cannon. Some of you may, some may not. However, her research correlates with other researchers I have spoken with. I am posting a video that I found interesting. The following are a few of the topics which are addressed:

1. We have been shifting into 5D since 2003.

2. Earth is a living being and is evolving, she will shift no matter what we do.

3. It has been gradual because the human body couldn't withstand the sudden shift
into 5D.

4. Many of us of suffered with symptoms since the vibrations have been gradually raised.
We have some symptoms and they dissipate and new ones appear.

5. Many have desired dietary changes, as vibrations have risen.

6. Lead by example. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

7. We are on a different timeline, the nexus points are the nodules on the line that must
happen. We then may branch off due to free will.

8. The future is not set in stone. Envision what you want to see. Focus on the positive.

9. You must forgive and let go of things that have harmed you in the past.

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

11. Many ask, when will I know that I am shifting into 5D already?
Response:
You will see it, when you believe it.

Do you feel things are slightly different? I do. Remember, it is our individual journey.
This experience will not be different for each person.

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[RMorgan]

Hello,

I´ll believe it when I see some someone walking through a wall.

When one lives in the 4th spacial dimension, he should be able to do that, let alone the 5th spacial dimension.

Cheers,

Raf.

[WhiteFeather]

Gotta Love Grandma Cannon. One of My Favs. Wanishi for posting this Sis.

5. Many have desired dietary changes, as vibrations have risen. Hmmm Interesting!

[Mark]

Yes, this is good stuff. Delores has a wonderful no-nonsense way about her and the work she has done with thousands of people in hypnotic states has brought forth quite a lot of consistent information about the times we are going through as well as the dispensation of humanity during this process.

I'll be checking this interview out to see what she has to say. Cheers!

[RunningDeer]

Gotta Love Grandma Cannon. One of My Favs. Wanishi for posting this Sis.

5. Many have desired dietary changes, as vibrations have risen. Hmmm Interesting!

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)This can mean: stress eating, loss of appetite, elimination of food(s)/group(s) or conscious choice to feed the body with higher energetic foods.

Or like me...mostly holistic choices and then my friends, Ben and Jerry magically appear. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

(Maybe I could start by not calling them my friends. Naw...not yet.)http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/delete2-smiley.gif?1292867581

Making a B&J run... http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/bye-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/Ben_Jerry.JPG

[we-R-one]

Hello,

I´ll believe it when I see some someone walking through a wall.

When one lives in the 4th spacial dimension, he should be able to do that, let alone the 5th spacial dimension.

Cheers,

Raf.

I think they're might be a need for more clarification on the definition of dimension. It appears you are referring to the spacial aspect of the definition of dimension, but I have also seen dimension described as a "state of consciousness," which is more fitting, IMO to what's really going on. Visually, we are currently unable to see various (spatial)dimensions based on our limited eye sight.

You might find this definition of dimension from Jelaila Starr to be more appropriate to the occasion, as I feel it's a better description of what we are experiencing and where things are headed. The English language can be very confusing as you will find different meanings for the same word.

"DIMENSION- A dimension is a state of consciousness. When you look at what we know about dimensions, what we find is that each is about a unique set of beliefs. Our current 3D consciousness was not established until enough people began to believe the same way. And the current 5D consciousness will not be established until enough of the people existing there figure out how to live in unity. So we see that when enough people live a set of beliefs they create a dimension.

Going further, a state of consciousness/dimension vibrates as a certain frequency just as all physical matter has a distinguishing vibration or frequency. In our universe, the closer we get to the integration point of Light and Dark, the faster we vibrate (compassion being the integration point with the fastest vibratory rate). So, if a whole group of people acquire a particular set of beliefs, in this case, the understanding of how to live at the integration point between Light and Dark, then they all begin to vibrate at that particular rate. This vibratory rate is also known as a frequency. Continuing on, this group vibration creates a new consciousness, a new reality, and a new dimension by the individuals in the group expressing themselves emotionally, creatively, etc. "

[RMorgan]

Hello,

I´ll believe it when I see some someone walking through a wall.

When one lives in the 4th spacial dimension, he should be able to do that, let alone the 5th spacial dimension.

Cheers,

Raf.

I think they're might be a need for more clarification on the definition of dimension. It appears you are referring to the spacial aspect of the definition of dimension, but I have also seen dimension described as a "state of consciousness," which is more fitting, IMO to what's really going on. Visually, we are currently unable to see various (spatial)dimensions based on our limited eye sight.

You might find this definition of dimension from Jelaila Starr to be more appropriate to the occasion, as I feel it's a better description of what we are experiencing and where things are headed. The English language can be very confusing as you will find different meanings for the same word.

"DIMENSION- A dimension is a state of consciousness. When you look at what we know about dimensions, what we find is that each is about a unique set of beliefs. Our current 3D consciousness was not established until enough people began to believe the same way. And the current 5D consciousness will not be established until enough of the people existing there figure out how to live in unity. So we see that when enough people live a set of beliefs they create a dimension.

Going further, a state of consciousness/dimension vibrates as a certain frequency just as all physical matter has a distinguishing vibration or frequency. In our universe, the closer we get to the integration point of Light and Dark, the faster we vibrate (compassion being the integration point with the fastest vibratory rate). So, if a whole group of people acquire a particular set of beliefs, in this case, the understanding of how to live at the integration point between Light and Dark, then they all begin to vibrate at that particular rate. This vibratory rate is also known as a frequency. Continuing on, this group vibration creates a new consciousness, a new reality, and a new dimension by the individuals in the group expressing themselves emotionally, creatively, etc. "

Hey mate,

Thanks for the reply.

Well, I believe most people in the alternative media don´t use the term "dimension" accurately.

People often use the word dimension to define frequencies or states of mind, but changing frequencies doesn´t necessarily have something to do with changing dimensions.

I guess they use the word "dimension" to make their articles sound more scientific and, by doing so, they´ve created quite a confusion.

We live within the tri-dimensional space (x,y,z). (four-dimensional, if we consider space+time)

If this 3D frequency/state of mind is to be interpreted differently than the tri-dimensional space, how someone could come up with the idea that we´re supposedly living within "our current 3D consciousness"?

Better yet, ask someone to define "3D consciousness" independently from the tri-dimensional spacial concept.

This is all very confusing and a result of misinterpretation of the meaning of dimensions, trying to mix up physics with mystical concepts.

It´s very common to see videos of people misusing the physics behind the term "dimensions" to explain this very vague consciousness dimensional concept, just like it´s common to see people using the precepts behind the relativity theory to explain everyday life situations.

The spacial dimensional concept is provable and empirical. We know every object has width, height and depth. That´s where the "dimensional" concept comes from.

However, can someone explain me where did the tri-dimensional consciousness concept comes from? How would someone know if the consciousness has any dimensions in the first place? How did someone first measured consciousness? How someone could conclude that our conscious/frequency is somehow currently tri-dimensional? I challenge anyone to explain this to me.

How about frequencies? Could someone explain me what frequency is associated with each dimension? How? Why?

Why a higher frequency may be considered better in terms of evolution than a lower frequency? Is it a simplistic approach, like high is good, low is bad?

If you follow the electromagnetic spectrum, the higher the frequency, the most dangerous it is. Gamma rays are much more dangerous than ultra-violet rays, as an example.

In music, higher frequency notes aren´t any better than lower frequency notes, but much more annoying if used excessively.

To sum up, the term "dimension" was borrowed from physics by the alternative community and since then it´s been misused, causing a lot of confusion, misinterpretations and misconceptions.

Raf.

[WhiteFeather]

Grandmas 8th Commandment...if you will

8. The future is not set in stone. Envision what you want to see. Focus on the positive.

Ahhhhhh, nice choice of words Grandma. Liking this One Mucho.......

Watch this Music Video: Raises your vibrations a LiL Bit, and also the hairs on your neck and arms...if you will. : ) It does for me anyways......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JDY1KvoQYk

[Finefeather]

Achievable States while incarnated in a body.
3D = Materialistic......way of thinking.
4D = Emotional.........way of thinking. :frusty::argue::smash::cry::angry:
5D = Thinking with the heart. :kiss3::wub:
6D = Spiritually awake.
Each is manifested on the physical plane and is the state of consciousness which you have managed to achieve here on the earth.
Immediate Planes of reality
3rd Dimension = Physical/Etheric Plane.
4th Dimension = Astral/Emotional Plane, we live in the higher part of the astral between incarnations. You even find Angels here. :angel:
5th Dimension = Lower Mental up to, Soul/Higher Mental Self
6th Dimension = Buddhic Plane = Wise Love

Of course there is much more, you'll know when you get there. :welcome:

Love You

[Eagle Eye]

Thanks Raf for making it clear. People, imagine yourself on the first year of school and someone tells you "congratulations you have been graduated". So do you buy it?

[Finefeather]

Forgot to say that since the 'Christ Spirit' walked into the body of Jesus some 2000+ years ago man has been able to achieve all the 'Ds'.
The Christ Spirit is the state of unconditional love.
Remember it is only a state of consciousness not a physical dimension (place) state.

[RMorgan]

Forgot to say that since the 'Christ Spirit' walked into the body of Jesus some 2000+ years ago man has been able to achieve all the 'Ds'.
The Christ Spirit is the state of unconditional love.
Remember it is only a state of consciousness not a physical dimension (place) state.

Thanks for clarifying things, my friend.

If it´s about state of consciousness, it would be much better and clear if people from the alternative community started to use the term "state of consciousness" instead of the term "dimensions"

I don´t know who first had the idea of mislabeling a state/frequency of mind as dimension, leading other people to think that since we´re living within a tri-dimensional world, we then should be experiencing a tri-dimensional state/frequency of the mind.

All I know is that is was not a good idea, that´s been causing so many confusion, misunderstanding and misconceptions.

No one has ever spatially measured consciousness, so the label "dimensional" is really not applicable to describe it.

Things get crazy when people mix density, dimension and frequency concepts, specially when trying to give a scientific tone to something so abstract as spirituality.

Dimensions are used to measure space.

Density is used to measure mass per unit volume.

Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time.

Using dimensions to measure a state of mind is just like using inches/meters to measure your weight.

Imagine how weird and incoherent it would sound if someone told you something like this: "I´m 1.82 meters high. Man, I need to go on a diet!" ;)

Cheers,

Raf.

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you Mandala, it is Inconceivable how anyone can dislike Doloress Cannon, but it can be that not everyone will agree with her overall perspective of almost only benevolent extraterrestrials. her work can be beyond belief to some, and a wonderful lifeline to others, me included. her material can be considered one-sided, but it's revelations are an important contribution to humanity.

I thank you for summarizing the important topics in the video. too often, we simply post something and are too lazy to accompany it with a few words, and I love how you presented it :)

[Carmody]

Forgot to say that since the 'Christ Spirit' walked into the body of Jesus some 2000+ years ago man has been able to achieve all the 'Ds'.
The Christ Spirit is the state of unconditional love.
Remember it is only a state of consciousness not a physical dimension (place) state.

Thanks for clarifying things, my friend.

If it´s about state of consciousness, it would be much better and clear if people from the alternative community started to use the term "state of consciousness" instead of the term "dimensions"

I don´t know who first had the idea of mislabeling a state/frequency of mind as dimension, leading other people to think that since we´re living within a tri-dimensional world, we then should be experiencing a tri-dimensional state/frequency of the mind.

All I know is that is was not a good idea, that´s been causing so many confusion, misunderstanding and misconceptions.

No one has ever spatially measured consciousness, so the label "dimensional" is really not applicable to describe it.

Things get crazy when people mix density, dimension and frequency concepts, specially when trying to give a scientific tone to something so abstract as spirituality.

Dimensions are used to measure space.

Density is used to measure mass per unit volume.

Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time.

Cheers,

Raf.

Not really Raf. Physics has co-opted much of what it comes from, so to take the English word dimension and apply it differently is not a great problem. To use it in a similar manner is not a great problem.

and the use of dimension here, is not all that far of from what physics says, and it is so close that it should be left alone.

For regarding metaphysics, we are talking about a frequency vibrational rate change at the subatomic level, on the dimensional integration level, and thus the word dimensions does indeed apply. Very much so.

For example, symbols and meanings in mathematics/physics, or words.

Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application.

Thus physics has messed up one term and called it all of those things, nearly interchangeably across many branches of physics. thus leading to a confusion in the public about what ANY of it means.

We're talking about one single word here, dimensions. Which on it's own has multiple applications within physics and mathematics and the English language.

Thus, to me, no great crime -or even remotely a wrong- was committed.... that needs to be corrected.

As for dimensional shifting, it may be that you have no personal experience in what it means in the metaphysical sense.

I do have such experience... and in that case the word does indeed apply, in my mind and understanding.

[Dorjezigzag]

Things get crazy when people mix density, dimension and frequency concepts, specially when trying to give a scientific tone to something so abstract as spirituality.

Actualy science which of course comes from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" if practiced correctly is not a seperate entity to spirit and spirit is not abstract. Science often does like to restrict things into boxes, but ultimately this is not true science. the greatest scientists have often defined themselves as mystics.

I include a quote from "In search of the miraculous" to ponder.


"Matter or substance necessarily presupposes the existence of force or energy. This does not mean that a dualistic conception of the world is necessary. The concepts of matter and force are as relative as everything else. In the Absolute, where all is one, matter and force are also one. But in this connection matter and force are not taken as real principles of the world in itself, but as properties or characteristics of the phenomenal world observed by us. To begin the study of the universe it is sufficient to have an elementary idea of matter and energy, such as we get by immediate observation through our organs of sense. The 'constant' is taken as material, as matter, and 'changes' in the state of the 'constant,' or of matter, are called manifestations of force or energy. All these changes can be regarded as the result of vibrations or undulatory motions which begin in the center, that is, in the Absolute, and go in all directions,

[lightseeker]

Thanks all, for some clear meanings on this subject.

[RMorgan]

Not really Raf. Physics has co-opted much of what it comes from, so to take the English word dimension and apply it differently is not great problem.

For example, symbols and meanings in mathematics/physics, or words.

Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application.

Thus physics as messed up one term and called it all of those things, nearly interchangeably across many branches of physics. thus leading to a confusion in the public about what ANY of it means.

We're talking about one single word here, dimensions. Which on it's own has multiple applications within physics and mathematics and the English language.

Thus, to me, no great crime -or even remotely was a wrong- was committed.... that needs to be corrected.

Hey mate,

"Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application."

It doesn´t change the fact that frequency is used to measure the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time, like the number of vibrations/cycles per second.

Dimensions, just like like frequencies, is a word that we´ve created to define spacial properties to make spacial measuring units possible, so we could measure things like we do today (x,y,z).

I hear you, but if you could explain me how and why someone first concluded that our consciousness is currently tri-dimensional, then I´ll openly accept this dimensional state of mind hypothesis.

Better yet, tell me how someone first measured consciousness and why he/she decided that using the world "dimensions" was the most accurate term to describe it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[greybeard]

Dr David Hawkins in Power vs Force measured spiritual vibration with a logarithmic scale 0-1000.
1000 being the highest the human body can stand.
Archangels calibrate 40.000-- Creator infinity.
Enlightenment occurs at 600--- unconditional love about 545.
He says we are due for a change in perception-- in other words we would be able to see the earth completely differently.
You could say that’s a move into the 5th dimension if you wanted to.
Dolores Cannon is saying what quite a few are saying using different terminology.
Eckhart Tolle said at a London talk many years ago said "we are about to have the biggest changein the human species since we left the sea nd became land animals" That's my words but its the essence of it.
DNA Upgrade is another expression--- who knows, I dont but it would be nice to think so.
We will just have to wait and see.

Chris

[gripreaper]

Dr David Hawkins in Power vs Force measured spiritual vibration with a logarithmic scale 0-1000.
1000 being the highest the human body can stand.
Archangels calibrate 40.000-- Creator infinity.
Enlightenment occurs at 600--- unconditional love about 545.
He says we are due for a change in perception-- in other words we would be able to see the earth completely differently.
You could say that’s a move into the 5th dimension if you wanted to.
Dolores Cannon is saying what quite a few are saying using different terminology.
Eckhart Tolle said at a London talk many years ago said "we are about to have the biggest changein the human species since we left the sea nd became land animals" That's my words but its the essence of it.
DNA Upgrade is another expression--- who knows, I dont but it would be nice to think so.
We will just have to wait and see.

Chris

Then you must be familiar with Jenny Wade's "Changes of Mind"? She details the calibrations very succinctly and one can truly see how consciousness progresses as we evolve energetically.

[Mu2143]

The planet and our bodies are still here in 3th dimension in the eternal now!

[we-R-one]

Not really Raf. Physics has co-opted much of what it comes from, so to take the English word dimension and apply it differently is not great problem.

For example, symbols and meanings in mathematics/physics, or words.

Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application.

Thus physics as messed up one term and called it all of those things, nearly interchangeably across many branches of physics. thus leading to a confusion in the public about what ANY of it means.

We're talking about one single word here, dimensions. Which on it's own has multiple applications within physics and mathematics and the English language.

Thus, to me, no great crime -or even remotely was a wrong- was committed.... that needs to be corrected.

Hey mate,

"Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application."

It doesn´t change the fact that frequency is used to measure the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time, like the number of vibrations/cycles per second.

Dimensions, just like like frequencies, is a word that we´ve created to define spacial properties to make spacial measuring units possible, so we could measure things like we do today (x,y,z).

I hear you, but if you could explain me how and why someone first concluded that our consciousness is currently tri-dimensional, then I´ll openly accept this dimensional state of mind hypothesis.

Better yet, tell me how someone first measured consciousness and why he/she decided that using the world "dimensions" was the most accurate term to describe it.

Cheers,

Raf.

I understand what you're saying, but on the other hand are we not accepting the defintion of dimension based on a contrived and controlled belief system? So who is the official word police? Who dictates what the true meaning of dimension should be? Could you not say that the definition of dimension is purposefully being used in a context that fits the reality of what certain individuals want you to believe is true?

If we are to transition out of the current reality, one must consider redifining the meaning of such words,....otherwise how will we advance if we continue to keep our beliefs within the same confinements of dictated definitions?

[Mu2143]

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

Another lie ,because your part of this earth and if the earth shift to another dimension your going to have a hardtime breathing if it would be possible to stay behind.
But since this is not possible ,because our bodies are physically tuned to this earth frequency and our bodies are made from the earths matter.

[we-R-one]

Thanks Raf for making it clear. People, imagine yourself on the first year of school and someone tells you "congratulations you have been graduated". So do you buy it?

Not so fast...let me reverse that question on you....in the same manner, you are "buying" into a current belief system that has been dictated to you as to being the one truth....so do you "buy it" because that is what someone is telling you to be the only truth?

[truthseekerdan]

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

Another lie ,because your part of this earth and if the earth shift to another dimension your going to have a hardtime breathing if it would be possible to stay behind.
But since this is not possible ,because our bodies are physically tuned to this earth frequency and our bodies are made from the earths matter.

For your information, the Earth is a multidimensional conscious being, just as "we are"...

http://www.mayamysteryschool.net/pdf%20files/DirectorJune2005.pdf

http://www.mayamysteryschool.net/pdf%20files/DirectorJune2005.pdf

[RMorgan]

I understand what you're saying, but on the other hand are we not accepting the defintion of dimension based on a contrived and controlled belief system? So who is the official word police? Who dictates what the true meaning of dimension should be? Could you not say that the definition of dimension is purposefully being used in a context that fits the reality of what certain individuals want you to believe is true?

If we are to transition out of the current reality, one must consider redifining the meaning of such words,....otherwise how will we advance if we continue to keep our beliefs within the same confinements of dictated definitions?

Hey mate,

This isn´t about a belief system, it´s about the essence of communication and language.

We have created words to communicate; the meanings of such words were agreed by the majority, otherwise, verbal and written communication wouldn´t be possible.

You can label a car as a refrigerator, but don´t expect to go to a car shop, ask the seller for a red refrigerator and be taken seriously.

You could simply throw your dictionary on the trash bin and invent a new meaning to every word, but then you can´t expect people to understand you when you try to communicate with them.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Mu2143]

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

Another lie ,because your part of this earth and if the earth shift to another dimension your going to have a hardtime breathing if it would be possible to stay behind.
But since this is not possible ,because our bodies are physically tuned to this earth frequency and our bodies are made from the earths matter.

For your information, the Earth is a multidimensional conscious being, just as "we are"...

http://www.mayamysteryschool.net/pdf%20files/DirectorJune2005.pdf

http://www.mayamysteryschool.net/pdf%20files/DirectorJune2005.pdf

I am talking about the physical body not the spiritual bodies.

[we-R-one]

Hey mate,

This isn´t about a belief system, it´s about the essence of communication and language.

We have created words to communicate; the meanings of such words were agreed by the majority, otherwise, verbal and written communication wouldn´t be possible.

You can label a car as a refrigerator, but don´t expect to go to a car shop, ask the seller for a red refrigerator and be taken seriously.

You could simply throw your dictionary on the trash bin and invent a new meaning to every word, but then you can´t expect people to understand you when you try to communicate with them.

Cheers,

Raf.

I beg to differ. It is about a belief system and it's the very reason we are unable to advance. Change the way you think, and you change your reality and that has been scientifically proven. Many Avalon members have posted several points of reference demonstrating various examples. There are countless words that have several meanings, it's what you choose to believe to be true. That is not to say that all the meanings are incorrect. You have accepted the belief that your definition of dimension is the most accurate. By doing so, you confine yourself to a specific set of beliefs and therefore limit your possibilities.

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm thinking we're NOT in 5D yet. Our world is still violent, corrupt and deceitful. However, I believe that many people are aligning now with 5D, but they're not there yet either. How can negativity exist in higher vibrations WITHOUT transforming?

[truthseekerdan]

We are all multidimensional beings; we’ve just denied that part of ourselves through our
linear, institutional programming. Many are waking up and realizing there’s life after
death. In fact, that’s really the only life there is because the body is only temporary
housing. That also means, literally, that there’s light at the end of the tunnel. We need
only shed our self-imposed prison gowns to realize that we’ve all been fooled into fear
and intolerance as a control mechanism to keep us unaware and in the dark. This whole
3-D scenario was really only a program that was set up by low-vibration entities to feed
themselves and their very powerful institutions that are trying to control our current
master-slave reality. And in the end, we’re the students who -- to graduate to the next
level -- have to wake up, realize that the game’s over, and free ourselves from the shackles
of 3-D. That’s what the 2012 shift and multidimensionality is all about.

Source: http://www.mayamysteryschool.net/pdf%20files/DirectorJuly2005.pdf

[we-R-one]

We have created words to communicate; the meanings of such words were agreed by the majority, otherwise, verbal and written communication wouldn´t be possible."

To prove my point further, who is "we"? I didn't know that I even had a choice as I've never been personally asked by the word police to define the English language? Did you? We as a society have rolled over on our backs and accepted what has been dictated to be one reality. The only way we can advance is if we defy the concepts of what is considered to be politically correct.

Raf, you're a smart guy and I do like a lot of what you say, but I think you're a bit off on this one in my point of view. This says to me that you are more comfortable within the confines of the matrix and the belief system that has been imposed on the masses as far as the contents of this particular topic. That's ok for some and that's your individual choice, but it's not the only choice.

[Wind]

There is something special about her. Whenever I feel distressed I just start to listen her interviews and suddenly I start to feel good. People like her give me hope. All that is happening is happening for a reason and nothing is insignificant!

Btw. here are dimensions/ densities according to RA (Law of One):

1D: Consciousness
2D: Growth
3D: Choice
4D: Love
5D: Wisdom
6D: Oneness
7D: Eternity

Notice that the densities have same colors as our chakras are. Earth is already in 4D, now we humans just need to make the jump to there. However most of humanity is still operating in 3D. And then there are us who are from 5D or 6D aiding mother Earth and it's people.

[Maunagarjana]

When talking about this stuff, the language is a problem and it creates a lot of confusion. I prefer the explanations given in The Law of One books, so I use "density" rather than "dimension". But, even then, the word density is being used differently than is commonly used in physics. We're talking metaphysics here. Maybe it would be better just to say "reality levels" or something like that. I don't see how people could possibly understand any of this stuff without reading the Law of One books. All five of the books are available free online in PDF format:

http://llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx

[Flash]

Not really Raf. Physics has co-opted much of what it comes from, so to take the English word dimension and apply it differently is not great problem.

For example, symbols and meanings in mathematics/physics, or words.

Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application.

Thus physics as messed up one term and called it all of those things, nearly interchangeably across many branches of physics. thus leading to a confusion in the public about what ANY of it means.

We're talking about one single word here, dimensions. Which on it's own has multiple applications within physics and mathematics and the English language.

Thus, to me, no great crime -or even remotely was a wrong- was committed.... that needs to be corrected.

Hey mate,

"Frequency can be exchanged for light color, temperature, acceleration, delta, velocity, or energetics..and also..ph and ionic charge level and electron volts. That's TEN different descriptive for ONE thing, depending on application."

It doesn´t change the fact that frequency is used to measure the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time, like the number of vibrations/cycles per second.

Dimensions, just like like frequencies, is a word that we´ve created to define spacial properties to make spacial measuring units possible, so we could measure things like we do today (x,y,z).

I hear you, but if you could explain me how and why someone first concluded that our consciousness is currently tri-dimensional, then I´ll openly accept this dimensional state of mind hypothesis.

Better yet, tell me how someone first measured consciousness and why he/she decided that using the world "dimensions" was the most accurate term to describe it.

Cheers,

Raf.

Your definitions Raf seems to me to stem from a 3rd state of consciousness. And it is fine if understood from this point of view.

But who tells you that we live in 3D dimension? We may well not be.

From a 5th or 6th level state of consciousness, I bet anything that 5th and 6th dimensions/density are seen and lived as well. In 3D/3rd level of consciousness, we have a limited view/concept/living experience of our environment. Here we need definitions through exclusion.

In 5th and 6th level of consciousness, our consciousness is expanded and the physical aspects/abilities correlate... I bet.

It is all about expanding our consciousness and letting go of old 3D paradigms. imho

Edit: in fact, while writing, it became much clearer to me as well. 5-6th D/state of consciousness, here and now.

[Mark]

LOL Dimensions works just fine. Everybody who needs to understand it does understand it. Formal science is known for shifting and changing with the times and, even now, the meaning of dimension is shifting as ideas about multiple parallel universes and "branes" and "string theory" gain credence. For the conscious folks, using this terminology instead of the other one, "density", which generally means the same thing, gives them a nice visual.

The words get in the way. The limitations, meaning being held to be stone-like with no opportunity for shifting or changing is so left-brained and old school. Times are changing, words need to be able to take on more meanings and they do, in many languages that are polytonal, like asian languages or african languages, in nature. Generally mono-tonal languages like the European languages are a bit more stiff and formal. It is the idea behind them and how we utilize it in order to access them creatively and spiritually that matters.

For those who are able to.

[Mandala]

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

Another lie ,because your part of this earth and if the earth shift to another dimension your going to have a hardtime breathing if it would be possible to stay behind.
But since this is not possible ,because our bodies are physically tuned to this earth frequency and our bodies are made from the earths matter.

You are correct. Those with negative inclination will not go on to 5 D. Delores research has taken her all over the world and she has come to the conclusion with the knowledge reported by thousands of people that earth will transition by splitting into 2 earths. One taking a different timeline and a different dimensional transit into 5 d. Those whose vibration is high enough and have made the decision will go. Those unprepared will stay behind on 3 D earth.


Mu, I believe she is speaking of an earth split where the ones not going will stay on earth 3d.
4D is time and and a linear earth construct.

What she says is we already know and have made a choice. You have, I have, we all have. It will happen, whether we are on board with the change or not.

[WhiteFeather]

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

Another lie ,because your part of this earth and if the earth shift to another dimension your going to have a hardtime breathing if it would be possible to stay behind.
But since this is not possible ,because our bodies are physically tuned to this earth frequency and our bodies are made from the earths matter.

IMO....Some are gearing up and changing their vibrational frequency's along with Gaia, as Gaia changes her frequency's. Gaia is now entering her new incarnation. Remember Earth is a living and breathing Organism. Some will remain with the old paradigm and old frequencys and perhaps not looking to shift just yet, which is ok....but some will venture into a newer realm in which we call the New Earth Paradigm...if you will.
Indeed Some aren't ready for these newer frequency's in their biological system as they have to be adjusted accordingly to ones ability and structuring to move forward. In words used by Dolores Cannon, we cannot be updated all of a sudden with these energies. It has to be a slow adjustment/adaptation or we are simply going to blow a fuse.

[Mandala]

Limor, I always value your opinion. Thank you.

[astrid]

LOL @ Mu2143

Our physical body might be planted here on earth, (well technically we have so much space and so little much matter than we are not actually touching anything at
all- ever, but i digress) , but we are made up of so much more than physical matter
... if we were just matter we would be dead, in the physical sense..

All our various other bodies, spirit body, light body soul body... are multidimensional..and elastic, depending on one's development.
We can send our consciousness across time and space,
that is what is actually going on when we intend, this has now all been
proven by various people.. its hardly news.
So the idea that we are only "here" on the earthly plane is way off,
unless you are dead, and very dead at that.

As for if we have all moved to 5D.. that would be asking how far can we
"reach" out.. on average?? To me this is an individual thing, but it will get
to a point where the frequencies are such that to remain behind and not
" go with the flow" will be very tough indeed.

It's one of those topics, issues, that people argue about until they are blue
in the face, until they actually experience it for themselves.
The earthly physical first layer is the see, touch, hear, smell, etc.. beyond that it gets harder to define and articulate,
so forget using your left brain analytics, you either experience it, or you don't.
And when you do, there is for sure no need, to even bother trying to justify, prove or disprove any of it.
When you know , you know and that is it.

One of the ways you can tell how far you are reaching out, is how far out you
can effect change, this is how remote healing works.
The more layers you can stretch out, the more complete the healing,as you are
able to effect all those layers.
My description is all way too simplistic, but just thought it worth adding some words here of own personal experience of dimensionality, as it stands to date.
But as it is a constantly unfolding process, there is no finite way to frame it,

Of late i have been practicing sitting in the various levels from 1 to 20, and its
pretty fascinating stuff. Each has its own frequency, colors, sounds and patterns,
and intensity. Certain levels i feel much more "at home " in, when i get into the
10-1.. I'm like feeling very heavy and everything is slowed down.
And from 15-20, i never want to leave, it's like flying, and total weightlessness.
Who knows how many levels there are, but for now, that's my current playground.

[lookbeyond]

Mandala, what about children, do you think they made the decision before they incarnated this time- how can it work - will families be separated? Is this what it means in the bible when it says one will be taken whilst another remains?

thanks to any responses, lookbeyond

[araucaria]

Language is usually inadequate to express our evolving perspectives, and creative writing is one way we have to express new ideas with old words. One of its favourite tools is analogy.

For an analogy of a simultaneous multidimensional universe, think of a TV producer with multiple screens showing different aspects of a live event, eg the opening of the Olympics. He has pictures of all of the ten thousand people filling the stadium, just some of them, and maybe just one face, all at the same time, and at the flick of a switch can change the focus for everyone. If he’s doing a good job, this will be in line with what the majority will be wanting to focus on, without actually knowing what, because they don’t know the plot in advance.

As I see it, we have been focusing on one small aspect and the amazing big picture is about to fill our screen.

[araucaria]

Language is usually inadequate to express our evolving perspectives, and creative writing is one way we have to express new ideas with old words. One of its favourite tools is analogy.

For an analogy of a simultaneous multidimensional universe, think of a TV producer with multiple screens showing different aspects of a live event, eg the opening of the Olympics. He has pictures of all of the ten thousand people filling the stadium, just some of them, and maybe just one face, all at the same time, and at the flick of a switch can change the focus for everyone. If he’s doing a good job, this will be in line with what the majority will be wanting to focus on, without actually knowing what, because they don’t know the plot in advance.

As I see it, we have been focusing on one small aspect and the amazing big picture is about to fill our screen.

[eileenrose]

I don't follow Delores, nor can I comment on her work (just not drawn to her).

Many people are talking about 4D and 5D. I believe these words describe a particular state a human can reach. I don't use these words because they don't feel accurate enough to describe the state (which is un-describeable). Mystics have been trying to describe these higher states of being for time in memorial.

The question then is about the numbers of people reaching these states which I feel can only be an exact acknowledgement (shown to us) if we are one of the people that do awaken. Any attempt to put a number on it is made up, ie. fictional....as if you are outside of the state, you do not acknowledge/get a feel for, the state (without veils).

So this is probably an error of judgement (to think this way) and (it sells seats).

[Ultima Thule]

Very interesting Raf and Carmody!

I figure the "dimensions" in this metaphysical sense are all present in all of us all the time, but we are resonating mostly at one at a time. I mean this in a similar fashion as with the earths Schumann frequency - it has been rumored to rise, which I believe is not the case, but it already has upper frequencies present, 7,8 herz just being the strongest at the moment. Stepping up a dimension would in this model of mine be for the earth to shift to the next Schumann resonance level at around 13 hz being the dominant and in humans switching to the next frequency to be the dominant - not withstanding that the lower frequencies cease to exist. Another model would be the harmonic higher frequencies that are created in music when playing instruments. I figure the frequency thing is not a slam dunk logic of one frequency rising and being better, but instead of scale of frequencies that play in us and are needed to tune in correctly and in right relation to one-anothers.

I´ve had on one occasion something happen that could be likened to a dimensional shift and indeed that was totally unexpected, the former dimension was still definitely present, but an overlaying dimension of sorts appeared "on top of that". Frequency definitely had something to do with it, but I am not sure if it had to do with the speed of frequency, I relate it more to tuning of the frequency or coherence of the frequency in my being.

UT

[Hervé]

I understand what you're saying, but on the other hand are we not accepting the defintion of dimension based on a contrived and controlled belief system? So who is the official word police? Who dictates what the true meaning of dimension should be? Could you not say that the definition of dimension is purposefully being used in a context that fits the reality of what certain individuals want you to believe is true?

If we are to transition out of the current reality, one must consider redifining the meaning of such words,....otherwise how will we advance if we continue to keep our beliefs within the same confinements of dictated definitions?

Hey mate,

This isn´t about a belief system, it´s about the essence of communication and language.

We have created words to communicate; the meanings of such words were agreed by the majority, otherwise, verbal and written communication wouldn´t be possible.

You can label a car as a refrigerator, but don´t expect to go to a car shop, ask the seller for a red refrigerator and be taken seriously.

You could simply throw your dictionary on the trash bin and invent a new meaning to every word, but then you can´t expect people to understand you when you try to communicate with them.

Cheers,

Raf.

Raf, agreed on the communication point from definitions as stated

"Redifining" words goes down that trail of confusion where "war" is in "fact" "peace"... etc...

No one prevents anyone to "coin" new terms with their definitions to describe "new" realities. Hence that debate of ascribing "belief" in a system for refusing to "redifine" the meaning/definition of a word as originally defined is a complete moot point and a strawman: create a new word!

As for definitions and confusion, I'll repost this from


Re: Differences between Dimensions, Densities and Frequency explained:

Some "old fashion" way of looking at things:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gazeous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquify) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Dimension/Space:

Now, for the big shock: Any space can be reduced to three, and only three (3) dimensions.

Time is only a factor introduced to re-arrange the space that remains a 3-dimensional one.

Any universe which uses space to locate objects in it has only three dimensions since the prerequisite for interaction is the possibility of interferences between waves (frequency matching allowing for holographic constructions; vivid "dreams" more "real" than physical "reality").

Time travel is only a looking at that space with a specific arrangement of the various objects in it. Hence the different remote viewing outcomes depending on the variables/factors taken into account.


So... "transdimensionals"... not quite, but better sounding than "transdensity manifestations." Etc...


To summarize, instead of invoking the "Dear dad, forgive them for they know not of what they speaketh," I would say "Man! Bust these miscreants for confusing the issue beyond recognition!"

[Hervé]

As for Dolores Cannon... well, if you are able to make your own mind from putting the following together:



[...]

On those ancient civilizations, there is a lot of “golden age” mythology that looks to some distant past when our ancestors had something wonderful that we lost. I am highly wary of those myths anymore, and wonder if there is any fact at all behind them. There have been many New Age myths about the Mayans and Anasazi ascending, advanced technological civilizations that are no more, how all that ancient stonework must have had ET technology behind it, and so on. As the toolset of anthropologists has improved and the efforts of reconstruction have become more multidisciplinary, many of those myths have evaporated. Epic droughts brought an end to the Classic Mayans and the Anasazi, and their declines were not pretty. As anthropologists learned to decipher the Mayan glyphs, the story that came clear was that the Mayans were like all the other ancient civilizations, with elites playing their games, with wars and politics centering around who got the benefit of the agricultural surplus, etc. The Classic Mayan phase ended in a bloodbath, as the city-states warred over shrinking resources. The Anasazi deforested their environment, which contributed to their decline. By the time of the collapse, they were importing logs from as far as fifty miles away, and cannibalism marked their end.

The lessons that our ancient ancestors have to teach us may mostly be cautionary.

[...]
Wade

In corroboration of the above paragraph:

BYUEnwxPVGk

the full set, in 5 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6kDtFTJA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEnwxPVGk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4Cz8N5o&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcdemaTac&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4P6-Rjo&feature=relmfu


Now compare the above to this Dolores Canon interpretation of the same event from the data she collected from patients under "deep hypnosis":

http://the2012scenario.com/2011/05/delores-cannon-the-mayan-calendar-2012-and-the-new-earth/

With no crops growing... the harvest was of the souls... what a way to ascend!

[jackovesk]

I think we are actually in 6th D,

When inverted its a 9

Divided by 2 = 3

Divided by 3 = 2

Divided by 6 and where back to Square 1...

What D were we in again...? :pound:

[Mu2143]

10. It is an individual choice to go to 5D. Some will choose to stay with 3D earth.

Another lie ,because your part of this earth and if the earth shift to another dimension your going to have a hardtime breathing if it would be possible to stay behind.
But since this is not possible ,because our bodies are physically tuned to this earth frequency and our bodies are made from the earths matter.

You are correct. Those with negative inclination will not go on to 5 D. Delores research has taken her all over the world and she has come to the conclusion with the knowledge reported by thousands of people that earth will transition by splitting into 2 earths. One taking a different timeline and a different dimensional transit into 5 d. Those whose vibration is high enough and have made the decision will go. Those unprepared will stay behind on 3 D earth.


Mu, I believe she is speaking of an earth split where the ones not going will stay on earth 3d.
4D is time and and a linear earth construct.

What she says is we already know and have made a choice. You have, I have, we all have. It will happen, whether we are on board with the change or not.

My questions is why do you belief the earth is going to split up? I know this is not going to happen. Because there are a lot of people who lie about it and they don't even know it. She can research all you want and still have nothing.

This earth is a spiritual school and you need to get your 12th spiritual body if you want to go with the earth and lot of people aren't progressing at all.
All this talk about ascension and keep your self distracted from the real thing.

A lot of people talk about a higher self ,but if you have less then 9 spiritual bodies then you not going to see true the deception at all. This is where it starts when you get your 9th spiritual body.

[Bo Atkinson]

IMHO both language and science are schemes of metaphor.

The Shift: "We Are in 5 D" Delores Cannon
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKoS6Vzyvg
58:30
"Life is an illusion
Life is just a game.
It's just a play. "

[Maunagarjana]

Raf, agreed on the communication point from definitions as stated

"Redifining" words goes down that trail of confusion where "war" is in "fact" "peace"... etc...

No one prevents anyone to "coin" new terms with their definitions to describe "new" realities. Hence that debate of ascribing "belief" in a system for refusing to "redifine" the meaning/definition of a word as originally defined is a complete moot point and a strawman: create a new word!

I would certainly be in favor of coining new words, if they added something in the way of understanding, but I have to say I disagree with the bit above about using pre-existing words in different ways is necessarily "redefining". When you look at any dictionary, there are multiple meanings for most words. Those meanings have accumulated over many centuries. And if you pull out the Oxford English Dictionary, you can read all about a word's etymological history and all the ways its meaning has morphed and mutated. I think it is the nature of language to do this, just as it is the nature of human beings to do this to language. Adding a new meaning for a word for a new and different context does not invalidate the meanings already in usage. Though some meanings can fall out of circulation by lack of use.


As for definitions and confusion, I'll repost this from


Re: Differences between Dimensions, Densities and Frequency explained:

Some "old fashion" way of looking at things:

Density:

It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gazeous state... is still "iron," that's something that's lost to too many.

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquify) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....


Dimension/Space:

Now, for the big shock: Any space can be reduced to three, and only three (3) dimensions.

Time is only a factor introduced to re-arrange the space that remains a 3-dimensional one.

About that last bit.....that is one interpretation. Another would be that linear time itself is a dimension. So that would make this plane of existence we are familiar with 4d - 3 dimensions of space, 1 dimension of time. This is one reason why I don't think spatial dimensions and metaphysical densities are really synonymous. If it is possible that extra-dimensional beings do not experience time as being linear like we do, so then it could be that time becomes multidimensional in the higher densities. At some point, it may not even exist at all.


Any universe which uses space to locate objects in it has only three dimensions since the prerequisite for interaction is the possibility of interferences between waves (frequency matching allowing for holographic constructions; vivid "dreams" more "real" than physical "reality").

Time travel is only a looking at that space with a specific arrangement of the various objects in it. Hence the different remote viewing outcomes depending on the variables/factors taken into account.

So... "transdimensionals"... not quite, but better sounding than "transdensity manifestations." Etc...

To summarize, instead of invoking the "Dear dad, forgive them for they know not of what they speaketh," I would say "Man! Bust these miscreants for confusing the issue beyond recognition!"


I'm not really sure I understood all you wrote there. But it seems to me a rather 3rd density appraisal of things. ;) I don't mean that as a put down in any way. It's just that there's so much we don't know when it comes to physics and time travel, me especially. I'm not a physics expert (I'm much more a mystic), but haven't physicists already mathematically proven that there are at least 11 different spatial dimensions? I think I remember reading that somewhere. Whatever the case, about your defintion of "density" above:


It's only the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).
What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

This definition would apply to the metaphysical usage as well. Except it goes beyond the materialist understanding of that defintion, and has a bit of a different focus. I've said before that I like the explanation given in the Law of One books. You might disregard that stuff, but it should be noted that Don Elkins, who took part in the channeling sessions, held four university degrees, and was a professor of physics and engineering at the University of Louisville. He questioned Ra pretty thoroughly about these topics. As far as I know, it was the Law of One channelings that first popularized the use of the term density in the way I'm talking about it, so they seem relevant to mention when discussing it. When Elkins asked Ra to define "density" in the way he was using it, this is what was answered:


Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

So, Ra was talking about vibration as well. It's just that what Ra called "3rd density" was just the 3rd vibratory level/note of 7 in this "octave". The 8th being the beginning of the next octave. What I think Ra is saying is that everything is energy vibrating at various frequencies, this energy is essentially consciousness (for the lack of a better word - infinite, all-pervading, intelligent awareness), the consciousness of the creator, fragmented, distorted, filtered and conditioned in endless ways.

This is why when Ra separates the various densities, it's talked about as levels of consciousness. 1st density is inanimate matter, which Ra describes as being conscious in a way, like consciousness that is asleep. 2nd density is everything from single celled organisms (plants/animals) to the most intelligent animals we know of like chimps and dolphins. 3rd density is us. So, the first three densities overlap and coexist on this planet. Again, Ra talks about consciousness, because, in that view, everything *is* consciousness.

Anyway, I hope I didn't bore you too much with that. I'm sure I didn't really do it justice. There's really much more to it. That would be the Reader's Digest version. I'm not expecting you to "believe in" any of it. I was just trying to illustrate that what you were saying is not entirely incompatible.

[Maunagarjana]

My questions is why do you belief the earth is going to split up? I know this is not going to happen. Because there are a lot of people who lie about it and they don't even know it. She can research all you want and still have nothing.

This earth is a spiritual school and you need to get your 12th spiritual body if you want to go with the earth and lot of people aren't progressing at all.
All this talk about ascension and keep your self distracted from the real thing.

A lot of people talk about a higher self ,but if you have less then 9 spiritual bodies then you not going to see true the deception at all. This is where it starts when you get your 9th spiritual body.

So, how do you get your spiritual bodies? Do you have some kinds of techniques in mind? How would one be able to gauge how many spiritual bodies they have? Maybe you could provide a link to where I can read about what you are saying? This may be important information. See, this is the thing that bothers me sometimes.....I feel like I'm playing a game that I don't know the rules of.

[GarethBKK]

I'm dizzy. I'm going to leave space-time for a bit and head over to time-space. Hopefully its dimensions/densities/stages/levels are limited or the reality is such that I don't need to worry about it.

[Mu2143]

My questions is why do you belief the earth is going to split up? I know this is not going to happen. Because there are a lot of people who lie about it and they don't even know it. She can research all you want and still have nothing.

This earth is a spiritual school and you need to get your 12th spiritual body if you want to go with the earth and lot of people aren't progressing at all.
All this talk about ascension and keep your self distracted from the real thing.

A lot of people talk about a higher self ,but if you have less then 9 spiritual bodies then you not going to see true the deception at all. This is where it starts when you get your 9th spiritual body.

So, how do you get your spiritual bodies? Do you have some kinds of techniques in mind? How would one be able to gauge how many spiritual bodies they have? Maybe you could provide a link to where I can read about what you are saying? This may be important information. See, this is the thing that bothers me sometimes.....I feel like I'm playing a game that I don't know the rules of.

Its not a technique it is understanding the relation ship with the spirit and this you should practice daily and I've learned lot from the videos I have on my youtube channel + my dreams.
Your action and thinking is what makes you move forward spiritualy and you should pay attension to your thoughts ,because this where the battle is!!

I've listen to Dr deagle ,Alex collier, Miram Delicado,George Green, Jessica Mystic,Duncan O'finioan and a view others. The information is all there ,but are you able to see and hear it?

I suggest you focus on your dreams and that is where you get your information from. If you want to know you should ask for it(pray) ,because some times you will get a answer.
I only know spiritual where I am at because it has been given to me in my dreams.

True my experiences I've learned a lot.

Just to add as an example;
I had dream where Jessica and Jessica where testing me how I would response to a fear full experience. =)

[Hervé]

[...]

About that last bit.....that is one interpretation. Another would be that linear time itself is a dimension. So that would make this plane of existence we are familiar with 4d - 3 dimensions of space, 1 dimension of time.

[...]



Time... how does one "measure" time?

AFAIK, it boils down to the amount of motion/oscillation of an object occurring whitin a space whether it be atomic clock or wandering celestial bodies.

Remove the objects or "freeze" them to no motion, i.e. no moving electrons, etc... and time ceases to "exist" by virtue of no measurable motion anymore... "time" becomes "timeless."

Accordingly, time is a subset of some motion occurring in a space and definitely not a "dimension" of that space which, in itself, can be reduced to Cartesian coordinates no matter how many other "dimension" subsets can be mathematically computed from it.

A space by itself with no objects in it is just time-less. No past nor future, just pure eternal "now."

Now, in order for other "densities" to communicate with this physical universe one, they have to have something in common with it so that "interference patterns" can be formed or transmitted such as sound and/or "visuals" and, therefore, need to have a common, basic, fundamental "clock" to match these "down here" frequencies. Hence, it can be deduced that these "other densities" do share this physical universe's space with us "humans."




[...]

I was just trying to illustrate that what you were saying is not entirely incompatible.

Thanks!

[Black Panther]

Achievable States while incarnated in a body.
3D = Materialistic......way of thinking.
4D = Emotional.........way of thinking. :frusty::argue::smash::cry::angry:
5D = Thinking with the heart. :kiss3::wub:


I do recognize myself at state 4D.
Only one step to go :cool:

[Eagle Eye]

Not so fast...let me reverse that question on you....in the same manner, you are "buying" into a current belief system that has been dictated to you as to being the one truth....so do you "buy it" because that is what someone is telling you to be the only truth?

The secret ( truth) stays well hidden between two lies. On one hand PTB and this system of lies and on the other hand false prophets full of nonsense predictions and lies ( for different reasons). You think believing these false prophets will get you anywhere? I'm affraid you only will get far away from truth.

[Siren Master]

I listened to this until the point where Ms. Cannon said we were here to learn. No way I can take this mis-info anymore. Clearly, we have been enslaved and saying it's a learning experience is way too simplistic. And leaves so many obvious un-answered questions. She's a dear woman, to be sure, and I don't doubt her experiences with her lifetime of clients. I, however, can't stomach the puny explanations to make sense of this awful situation where the star people can't help but the bad guys can wreak havok for eons.
Very disappointing to hear this mis-information again.

[Amysenthia]

I listened to this until the point where Ms. Cannon said we were here to learn. No way I can take this mis-info anymore. Clearly, we have been enslaved and saying it's a learning experience is way too simplistic. And leaves so many obvious un-answered questions. She's a dear woman, to be sure, and I don't doubt her experiences with her lifetime of clients. I, however, can't stomach the puny explanations to make sense of this awful situation where the star people can't help but the bad guys can wreak havok for eons.
Very disappointing to hear this mis-information again.

Those not familiar with DC work do not understand that one of the main things that she lectures about is that we all came from source and we will all return to source. We left source to experience matter for source, (some would call this learning lessons), call it what you will. Eventually all matter will eventually be reabsorbed by the ultimate source whether it does good or bad in the world. (Bad is an experience as much as good). The source looks at it all as part of the whole. Also, try to remember this is all an illusion being experienced for source. The great sage Ramakrishna use to teach his disciples when they asked about the pain and suffering in the world, "remember this life is like a dream. When you are dreaming you experience dream pain, and dream fears that seem very real while you are dreaming. Then you wake up and realize that it has all been a dream".

There is truth to the enslavement statement, but it has been by our own choosing in not seeing the world for what it truly is. When you are ready to free yourself of the illusion you will sit down like many great sages and say I am not going to see the world this way anymore. This will be one more lesson that you are experiencing for the source.

It is dizzying to listen to how this great post has disintegrated into what the word "dimension" entails. As shakespeare says, “ a rose by any other name is still a rose”. I have appreciated the physics lessons that I have observed here today and understand when someone is well versed in a subject that they tend to read too much into statements. I do appreciate the attempts at educating the less physics minded into the proper terminology for dimensions. Now it is time to stop and realize the the term dimension, is being used in a metaphysical sense. Perhaps a better term is at “state”, or “existence”, in reference to 5D being. Let’s leave the 3D science vocabulary out of it all together.

That being said what Delores Cannon speaks of is something that has been predicted in Revelations of the Bible, by Nostradamus and many others. There is a time coming of great change. You will not get an invitation in the mail that says, “Yes YOU are being invited to 5D, so start becoming a vegetarian and get ready”! This is a natural phenomenon that is occurring. I will try to explain from my perspective what is happening in my life. Much as when a tree is growing fruit, the buds will appear and then become a ripe fruit. When ripened enough the fruit will naturally drop from the tree. Or for another example water can become ice, liquid, or vapor. Our 3d earth bodies are in the ice(solid) phase at this point and moving toward the liquid phase to make the 5D jump. After being in the 5D world we will eventually become vaporous (spirit). ( I am sorry if these analogies are not making sense to some).

Those who will make the transition will “ripen” more and more as the time approaches. I know that myself I have recently in the past year become more and more a vegetarian just by food choice. I never actually made a conscious decision I am going to eat less red meat. I guess it occurred to me earlier this year when I was celebrating with some friends at a restaurant famous for their over priced steaks, where we have gone several times, and I was going to order the steak that I had always ordered when I suddenly became nauseous from the smell of roasting meat around me. It was then that it came to me that I have not been eating red meat very much anymore. I ordered a salad and could not wait to leave. Why on this night I had this reaction who knows. What I am trying to say by this example is that the changes that you will want to make are subtle. Just as the fruit drops from the tree when it is ripe you will make changes in your life that will “ripen” you for the time to come. I also notice that I am becoming more telepathic, physic, and have a greater desire to be outdoors and stay away from negative/lower vibrational music, movies, people, etc. I am trying to live every day consciously choosing to express the love vibration in all that I do. I have also experienced all of the symptoms discussed by DC. Ringing in the ears, headaches, various aches and pains that last a day or so and disappear as oddly as they came. Also, the desire to drink water ALL THE TIME. Also, if the water or food that I eat is not purified, or organic I literally almost can't swallow it.

I feel the call from the earth to come with her. I do not feel judgement for those that do not want to go to 5D. Everyone must vibrate to their own innate level. (Kind of like marching to the beat of your own drum). We will all eventually be reabsorbed by source in the end. Remember this is all a play in the scheme of things, live (play) the part that you want to. It is your choice.

[Amysenthia]

:bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2:

[ghostrider]

Gotta Love Grandma Cannon. One of My Favs. Wanishi for posting this Sis.

5. Many have desired dietary changes, as vibrations have risen. Hmmm Interesting!

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)This can mean: stress eating, loss of appetite, elimination of food(s)/group(s) or conscious choice to feed the body with higher energetic foods.

Or like me...mostly holistic choices and then my friends, Ben and Jerry magically appear. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

(Maybe I could start by not calling them my friends. Naw...not yet.)http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/delete2-smiley.gif?1292867581

Making a B&J run... http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/bye-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/Ben_Jerry.JPG

I don't want to live in a world without chocolate . nope , not happening.

[RunningDeer]

Gotta Love Grandma Cannon. One of My Favs. Wanishi for posting this Sis.

5. Many have desired dietary changes, as vibrations have risen. Hmmm Interesting!

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)This can mean: stress eating, loss of appetite, elimination of food(s)/group(s) or conscious choice to feed the body with higher energetic foods.

Or like me...mostly holistic choices and then my friends, Ben and Jerry magically appear. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

(Maybe I could start by not calling them my friends. Naw...not yet.)http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/delete2-smiley.gif?1292867581

Making a B&J run... http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/bye-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/Ben_Jerry.JPG

I don't want to live in a world without chocolate . nope , not happening.

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)
This comes from one of my many, many a top-secret, higher up sources: 5D has both chocolate and B&J ice cream.
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/SEVeyesC08_th.gif I’m also told that they’ve changed the label to state it’s a serving for one not four. Sharing is encouraged. Full disclosure: I’ve got some more evolving to do before I am willing to share.

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/orjnfq.gif

[white wizard]

I listened to this until the point where Ms. Cannon said we were here to learn. No way I can take this mis-info anymore. Clearly, we have been enslaved and saying it's a learning experience is way too simplistic. And leaves so many obvious un-answered questions. She's a dear woman, to be sure, and I don't doubt her experiences with her lifetime of clients. I, however, can't stomach the puny explanations to make sense of this awful situation where the star people can't help but the bad guys can wreak havok for eons.
Very disappointing to hear this mis-information again.

Those not familiar with DC work do not understand that one of the main things that she lectures about is that we all came from source and we will all return to source. We left source to experience matter for source, (some would call this learning lessons), call it what you will. Eventually all matter will eventually be reabsorbed by the ultimate source whether it does good or bad in the world. (Bad is an experience as much as good). The source looks at it all as part of the whole. Also, try to remember this is all an illusion being experienced for source. The great sage Ramakrishna use to teach his disciples when they asked about the pain and suffering in the world, "remember this life is like a dream. When you are dreaming you experience dream pain, and dream fears that seem very real while you are dreaming. Then you wake up and realize that it has all been a dream".

There is truth to the enslavement statement, but it has been by our own choosing in not seeing the world for what it truly is. When you are ready to free yourself of the illusion you will sit down like many great sages and say I am not going to see the world this way anymore. This will be one more lesson that you are experiencing for the source.

It is dizzying to listen to how this great post has disintegrated into what the word "dimension" entails. As shakespeare says, “ a rose by any other name is still a rose”. I have appreciated the physics lessons that I have observed here today and understand when someone is well versed in a subject that they tend to read too much into statements. I do appreciate the attempts at educating the less physics minded into the proper terminology for dimensions. Now it is time to stop and realize the the term dimension, is being used in a metaphysical sense. Perhaps a better term is at “state”, or “existence”, in reference to 5D being. Let’s leave the 3D science vocabulary out of it all together.

That being said what Delores Cannon speaks of is something that has been predicted in Revelations of the Bible, by Nostradamus and many others. There is a time coming of great change. You will not get an invitation in the mail that says, “Yes YOU are being invited to 5D, so start becoming a vegetarian and get ready”! This is a natural phenomenon that is occurring. I will try to explain from my perspective what is happening in my life. Much as when a tree is growing fruit, the buds will appear and then become a ripe fruit. When ripened enough the fruit will naturally drop from the tree. Or for another example water can become ice, liquid, or vapor. Our 3d earth bodies are in the ice(solid) phase at this point and moving toward the liquid phase to make the 5D jump. After being in the 5D world we will eventually become vaporous (spirit). ( I am sorry if these analogies are not making sense to some).

Those who will make the transition will “ripen” more and more as the time approaches. I know that myself I have recently in the past year become more and more a vegetarian just by food choice. I never actually made a conscious decision I am going to eat less red meat. I guess it occurred to me earlier this year when I was celebrating with some friends at a restaurant famous for their over priced steaks, where we have gone several times, and I was going to order the steak that I had always ordered when I suddenly became nauseous from the smell of roasting meat around me. It was then that it came to me that I have not been eating red meat very much anymore. I ordered a salad and could not wait to leave. Why on this night I had this reaction who knows. What I am trying to say by this example is that the changes that you will want to make are subtle. Just as the fruit drops from the tree when it is ripe you will make changes in your life that will “ripen” you for the time to come. I also notice that I am becoming more telepathic, physic, and have a greater desire to be outdoors and stay away from negative/lower vibrational music, movies, people, etc. I am trying to live every day consciously choosing to express the love vibration in all that I do. I have also experienced all of the symptoms discussed by DC. Ringing in the ears, headaches, various aches and pains that last a day or so and disappear as oddly as they came. Also, the desire to drink water ALL THE TIME. Also, if the water or food that I eat is not purified, or organic I literally almost can't swallow it.

I feel the call from the earth to come with her. I do not feel judgement for those that do not want to go to 5D. Everyone must vibrate to their own innate level. (Kind of like marching to the beat of your own drum). We will all eventually be reabsorbed by source in the end. Remember this is all a play in the scheme of things, live (play) the part that you want to. It is your choice.


Delores was key in transforming my life and taking me out of the fear mode the

alternative media had me locked in for years.


I have read the first three convoluted universe books and it took my understanding of

things to a new level. The main teaching is we are from the source, we are part of the

source and we will return to the source.

I have learned from doing past life readings that I am a level seven old soul. This will be

my last physical incarnation and sometime in the next 50 years I will transform into

a being of light.

If you want to know what is the truth and what is deception ask your higher self.

Earth is in a period of transition and there will be those proclaiming nothing will ever

happen and those saying amazing things will happen. The truth is probably somewhere

in the middle.

The important thing to learn is your life purpose, because that is the main reason you

are here. My life purpose is simple pass on the knowledge I gained from these many

incarnations to a student. I know for me my lessons here are coming to an end for

others there will be more to learn. An interesting thing happened to me recently only

after I decided I was fine with either staying here or going some were else I learned I

would be leaving earth coincidence lol.

[eileenrose]

I listened to part of the interview.

It sounds like she doesn't know herself what is truth. Just says what an entity is telling her to say. So no proof. Just 'entity theories'. Which I don't feel let's her off the hook at all for what she is charging people to hear her say (and they actually believe what she says....rather than look to see what is real and true about this information for themselves.....so in a way....she is playing to the people who are not doing well and hope to do better crowd.....the bread and butter of 'palm reading psychics'). Which if memory serves me accurately, where originally gypsies-ie. palm readers (who are known to use their abilities to lighten people's wallets)....or so I've been told.

But I only listen to 10 short segments. Just enough to show me she is guessing.

[Amysenthia]

I listened to part of the interview.

It sounds like she doesn't know herself what is truth. Just says what an entity is telling her to say. So no proof. Just 'entity theories'. Which I don't feel let's her off the hook at all for what she is charging people to hear her say (and they actually believe what she says....rather than look to see what is real and true about this information for themselves.....so in a way....she is playing to the people who are not doing well and hope to do better crowd.....the bread and butter of 'palm reading psychics'). Which if memory serves me accurately, where originally gypsies-ie. palm readers (who are known to use their abilities to lighten people's wallets)....or so I've been told.

But I only listen to 10 short segments. Just enough to show me she is guessing.

Her information is based on 1000s of hypnotic regressions all saying the same thing and not coming from one entity. This info in coming from people's Super Consious, not her. That is why she can only tell you what she has been told. The info that she gives about source has been taught as the ultimate truth by many masters through the ages.

I know I always try to listen to an entire interview before passing judgement. There are many DC videos on YOU Tube that are highly recommended viewing. Of course no one has any definitive answers however, when you get unsolicited info by multiple hypnotic sessions from all over the world it begs for some credence.

[Mandala]

I listened to this until the point where Ms. Cannon said we were here to learn. No way I can take this mis-info anymore. Clearly, we have been enslaved and saying it's a learning experience is way too simplistic. And leaves so many obvious un-answered questions. She's a dear woman, to be sure, and I don't doubt her experiences with her lifetime of clients. I, however, can't stomach the puny explanations to make sense of this awful situation where the star people can't help but the bad guys can wreak havok for eons.
Very disappointing to hear this mis-information again.

Those not familiar with DC work do not understand that one of the main things that she lectures about is that we all came from source and we will all return to source. We left source to experience matter for source, (some would call this learning lessons), call it what you will. Eventually all matter will eventually be reabsorbed by the ultimate source whether it does good or bad in the world. (Bad is an experience as much as good). The source looks at it all as part of the whole. Also, try to remember this is all an illusion being experienced for source. The great sage Ramakrishna use to teach his disciples when they asked about the pain and suffering in the world, "remember this life is like a dream. When you are dreaming you experience dream pain, and dream fears that seem very real while you are dreaming. Then you wake up and realize that it has all been a dream".

There is truth to the enslavement statement, but it has been by our own choosing in not seeing the world for what it truly is. When you are ready to free yourself of the illusion you will sit down like many great sages and say I am not going to see the world this way anymore. This will be one more lesson that you are experiencing for the source.

It is dizzying to listen to how this great post has disintegrated into what the word "dimension" entails. As shakespeare says, “ a rose by any other name is still a rose”. I have appreciated the physics lessons that I have observed here today and understand when someone is well versed in a subject that they tend to read too much into statements. I do appreciate the attempts at educating the less physics minded into the proper terminology for dimensions. Now it is time to stop and realize the the term dimension, is being used in a metaphysical sense. Perhaps a better term is at “state”, or “existence”, in reference to 5D being. Let’s leave the 3D science vocabulary out of it all together.

That being said what Delores Cannon speaks of is something that has been predicted in Revelations of the Bible, by Nostradamus and many others. There is a time coming of great change. You will not get an invitation in the mail that says, “Yes YOU are being invited to 5D, so start becoming a vegetarian and get ready”! This is a natural phenomenon that is occurring. I will try to explain from my perspective what is happening in my life. Much as when a tree is growing fruit, the buds will appear and then become a ripe fruit. When ripened enough the fruit will naturally drop from the tree. Or for another example water can become ice, liquid, or vapor. Our 3d earth bodies are in the ice(solid) phase at this point and moving toward the liquid phase to make the 5D jump. After being in the 5D world we will eventually become vaporous (spirit). ( I am sorry if these analogies are not making sense to some).

Those who will make the transition will “ripen” more and more as the time approaches. I know that myself I have recently in the past year become more and more a vegetarian just by food choice. I never actually made a conscious decision I am going to eat less red meat. I guess it occurred to me earlier this year when I was celebrating with some friends at a restaurant famous for their over priced steaks, where we have gone several times, and I was going to order the steak that I had always ordered when I suddenly became nauseous from the smell of roasting meat around me. It was then that it came to me that I have not been eating red meat very much anymore. I ordered a salad and could not wait to leave. Why on this night I had this reaction who knows. What I am trying to say by this example is that the changes that you will want to make are subtle. Just as the fruit drops from the tree when it is ripe you will make changes in your life that will “ripen” you for the time to come. I also notice that I am becoming more telepathic, physic, and have a greater desire to be outdoors and stay away from negative/lower vibrational music, movies, people, etc. I am trying to live every day consciously choosing to express the love vibration in all that I do. I have also experienced all of the symptoms discussed by DC. Ringing in the ears, headaches, various aches and pains that last a day or so and disappear as oddly as they came. Also, the desire to drink water ALL THE TIME. Also, if the water or food that I eat is not purified, or organic I literally almost can't swallow it.

I feel the call from the earth to come with her. I do not feel judgement for those that do not want to go to 5D. Everyone must vibrate to their own innate level. (Kind of like marching to the beat of your own drum). We will all eventually be reabsorbed by source in the end. Remember this is all a play in the scheme of things, live (play) the part that you want to. It is your choice.

Amsenthia , what a beautiful post. Your statements reflect my own sentiment very closely. I have changed over the last 8 or so years, more than I have over the 40 plus before. My views, my diet, my desires, my empathy, my detachment and those deep "gut" feelings. It is out of my control, it is just happening and taking me along for the ride.

I'm not sure what's in store for us, but there is a "knowing" deep inside that my higher self is showing me. I couldn't get off this train even if I wanted to, it is a journey that must be completed. I'm really no longer worried about what's ahead because it will be as it should and I have been given the peace to accept it.

Does anyone else feel this way?

During a meditation about a year ago, I was concerned about how I was changing. I became disillusioned with some friends and relationships and they faded from my life. The agitation of small things in my life all but disappeared. I found myself becoming very forgiving towards people who had wronged or hurt me. This mantra kept popping up, forgive, let it go.
The question I asked during the meditation, was how do I know if I am on the right path? I went to sleep later and awoke (or in a vivid dream state) saw a beautiful glowing, blue Buddha in front of me. "Trust Yourself", was emblazoned in my consciousness. I haven't doubted since then.


Now I must apologize for incorrectly spelling Mrs. Cannon's first name. It is Dolores, not Delores like my co-worker. I meant no disrespect. It would be nice if a moderator could make a change in the title if possible.

Thank you
Peace and love to all
Mandala

[Camilo]

Gotta Love Grandma Cannon. One of My Favs. Wanishi for posting this Sis.

5. Many have desired dietary changes, as vibrations have risen. Hmmm Interesting!

http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)This can mean: stress eating, loss of appetite, elimination of food(s)/group(s) or conscious choice to feed the body with higher energetic foods.

Or like me...mostly holistic choices and then my friends, Ben and Jerry magically appear. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

(Maybe I could start by not calling them my friends. Naw...not yet.)http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/delete2-smiley.gif?1292867581

Making a B&J run... http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/bye-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/Ben_Jerry.JPG

Good one WhiteCrowBlackDeer!

[turiya]

Hello,

I´ll believe it when I see some someone walking through a wall.

When one lives in the 4th spacial dimension, he should be able to do that, let alone the 5th spacial dimension.

Cheers,

Raf.

RMorgan, perhaps, will this do?

Dimensional Being Caught on Cell Phone:
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/75704/Dimesional_being_caught_on_cell_phone/

turiya

[Humble Janitor]

Ridding oneself of negative influence is one way of "cleansing" at this point.

[eileenrose]

re: "Her information is based on 1000s of hypnotic regressions all saying the same thing and not coming from one entity." from Amysen.

Do you happen to be an entity?
So how do you know what one is?

I have met one (telepathically). And it is the hardest energy manifestation to deal with. It is a very foreign energy signature. Very un-human. So it begs the question, what are they and why give us any information?.

Every channel (human) comes up with reasons they are channeling....then they take money from people. So two things, they don't say who they are channeling (in a way we can relate with) and two, they have taken financial means from someone who could have used the money to buy basic needs.

Right now, everyone thinks in the USA that we can afford to buy our way to happiness. As I deal with stress out friends and acquaintances who have become addicted to over-spending, I come here, to this forum to take a break. But all I get are more people selling more stuff (without remorse). Very little is freely offered because people gave up giving a long time ago and learn to be takers.

So I have two issues with Delores, and I didn't even have to look into all her many out there ideas to get there. As I have research all 'out there' ideas already from hundreds (thousands) of previous posters contributions. Which were freely available.

Delores makes money by telling people what they want to hear and the entity feeds off their energies. Each are getting what they want.

See why I didn't feel like getting into this type of conversation. It just leads to conflict and people trying to have their beliefs reinforced, so they feel better over the energies they've given her and the entities she host.

I perfer the pure-ness of Native American rituals where everyone is so in tune with the planet that they don't have demon sucking entities tailing them all over the place (how I see Delores).

But that is just me (who see's people's energy signatures).

If it was really working, all the blessings she is giving (that is what she is indicating, that we are blessed....which sounds awfully nice doesn't it? almost criminally so), she wouldn't sound depressed energically (to my keen sense of such things).

I think people are drawn to her in particular, over other channelers because she has the aura of a grandmother (a previous life incarnation), which she is avoiding dealing with currently (by 'outsourcing' her work to foreign entities).



Answer those questions and you have your answers Amy., otherwise this is all pure entertainment for loose minds.

[Mandala]

Thank you mods for correcting the spelling. It is appreciated!

[we-R-one]

Not so fast...let me reverse that question on you....in the same manner, you are "buying" into a current belief system that has been dictated to you as to being the one truth....so do you "buy it" because that is what someone is telling you to be the only truth?

The secret ( truth) stays well hidden between two lies. On one hand PTB and this system of lies and on the other hand false prophets full of nonsense predictions and lies ( for different reasons). You think believing these false prophets will get you anywhere? I'm affraid you only will get far away from truth.

Iceberg,

You are misunderstanding if you think my awareness is all based on what a prophet hands out as fact. I speak from personal experience. Besides I don't look at any of these people as "prophets", that is only you trying to coin them as such. I think for myself and that is not to say I can't look to others for information....we all do that, as currently none of us are entirely capable of knowing everything about all that is, even yourself. The definition I posted from Jelaila Starr resonates with me through my own experiences and discoveries of frequency, state of consciousness and energy concepts of a metaphysical nature which is why I share it. It has nothing to do about getting me anywhere, so why you are even interjecting that comment is beyond me as it has nothing to do with the conversation. I think it's sad that many of these people who take the time to study and share information with the greater good, are continually labeled as guru's and prophets. They are us, they are human, walking their own path as they see fit. It is up to us as individuals to decide if their information resonates in a fashion that has merit;.... but for the love of pete, let's get away from beating these poor souls up. Glory be to them for having the balls to step up to the plate to share what they have learned, even if it means taking risks now and then because what they say isn't understood by the masses. And if they should fall, crumble to the ground, make errors in judgment, I for one will no longer condemn these individuals as I know they are walking a spiritual path in the manner that they see fit for their soul and I can only love and respect someone for having the courage to do that, with the same hope that I will be respected in return(for those that understand, see where that thought process can be reflected back through the concepts of holographic universe...change the way you think).

The point I'm trying to make is, you can believe in any definition that you see fit, and based on what you believe, can and will determine the type of reality you wish to see or have happen. So for those who really get what I'm saying, will also understand that there's not always going to be "one truth". Your belief system is what dictates your reality and deems what you believe to be true, but science will show you that by changing your beliefs you can change your reality.

There's one video that comes to mind which I think is quite fitting to this conversation. Many of you have probably all ready seen it, but if not, check it out. Here Gregg Braden shows how Chinese doctors heal a woman who has cancer. Through their thought process and "definition" of what they think a specific word means, they are able to chant this word and make the woman's tumor disappear. This is done on camera. Gregg specifically states "there is no magic in the word, it could be any word". Watch and he will explain in more depth how this is done.

CURING CANCER USING OUR OWN TECHNOLOGY OF EMOTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMNlmn1DPc

Please open yourself to what I'm saying. I'm not attacking you, only trying to help expand your knowledge, and hey, I'm not a prophet, so all the more reason you should take interest in what I'm saying, as I am you. Heart-centered is the key and by changing the way we think- and this includes definitions of words, we can change our reality for the better.........at least by the laws of this universe....lol.

[we-R-one]

Raf, agreed on the communication point from definitions as stated

"Redifining" words goes down that trail of confusion where "war" is in "fact" "peace"... etc...

No one prevents anyone to "coin" new terms with their definitions to describe "new" realities. Hence that debate of ascribing "belief" in a system for refusing to "redifine" the meaning/definition of a word as originally defined is a complete moot point and a strawman: create a new word!

I would certainly be in favor of coining new words, if they added something in the way of understanding, but I have to say I disagree with the bit above about using pre-existing words in different ways is necessarily "redefining". When you look at any dictionary, there are multiple meanings for most words. Those meanings have accumulated over many centuries. And if you pull out the Oxford English Dictionary, you can read all about a word's etymological history and all the ways its meaning has morphed and mutated. I think it is the nature of language to do this, just as it is the nature of human beings to do this to language. Adding a new meaning for a word for a new and different context does not invalidate the meanings already in usage. Though some meanings can fall out of circulation by lack of use.

I very much agree! You can look no further than how law is practiced- it's an entire play of words. You have several editions of the the Black Law's Dictionary and depending on what year the case had been argued determines what dictionary to use and the appropriate definition of the terms for that time period. This is merely a form of control- meaning they change the rules of the game by changing the meanings....and if you think about it....does that not change one's reality? lol


Density:

This definition would apply to the metaphysical usage as well. Except it goes beyond the materialist understanding of that defintion, and has a bit of a different focus. I've said before that I like the explanation given in the Law of One books. You might disregard that stuff, but it should be noted that Don Elkins, who took part in the channeling sessions, held four university degrees, and was a professor of physics and engineering at the University of Louisville. He questioned Ra pretty thoroughly about these topics. As far as I know, it was the Law of One channelings that first popularized the use of the term density in the way I'm talking about it, so they seem relevant to mention when discussing it. When Elkins asked Ra to define "density" in the way he was using it, this is what was answered:


Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

So, Ra was talking about vibration as well. It's just that what Ra called "3rd density" was just the 3rd vibratory level/note of 7 in this "octave". The 8th being the beginning of the next octave. What I think Ra is saying is that everything is energy vibrating at various frequencies, this energy is essentially consciousness (for the lack of a better word - infinite, all-pervading, intelligent awareness), the consciousness of the creator, fragmented, distorted, filtered and conditioned in endless ways.

This is why when Ra separates the various densities, it's talked about as levels of consciousness. 1st density is inanimate matter, which Ra describes as being conscious in a way, like consciousness that is asleep. 2nd density is everything from single celled organisms (plants/animals) to the most intelligent animals we know of like chimps and dolphins. 3rd density is us. So, the first three densities overlap and coexist on this planet. Again, Ra talks about consciousness, because, in that view, everything *is* consciousness.

What's being said above from RA is very similar to the definition of dimension that I posted earlier. Raf and Amzer Zo are most likely correct coming from a 3D perspective, but once you step outside of that reality the terminology doesn't always necessarily comply.

It can be difficult to follow and understand, and personally for myself I leave the door open for errors of judgment since we are all trying to make sense of what really is.

[donk]

Do you happen to be an entity?

Heh, silly me, i thought we ALL were?

The money thing again....I discerned much good information out of your post, where it seems to me you focusing on DC's "gypsy-ness"

Dont throw the baby out with the bath water. I did that w baby Jesus, just cuz I focused on all the control structure built into Christianity...missed out on a lot of good stuff. I'll take my info from a 4th dimensional deranged demon dressed in a Barney costume on a unicycle all hopped up on goofballs if that's who is giving it, then use discernment to see if it gave me anything of value.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. To experience what you want in this lifetime, $ makes it possible. I would like to know more about the entities you see trailing and the energy signature you feel from her. I appreciated what you did contribute about her message, which i found much more valuable than another "only Jesus like (broke) teachers are valid"...I understand and sympathize to a degree with that. But what does she say that makes you feel she intends to fool the fools?

I have no desire to have my beliefs reinforced, I am sincerely interested in understanding yours...

[bogeyman]

The shift has certainly been noticable in my life, what I excepted before, the way I was treated and the stagnation has pasted. It wasnt pleasent when the changes started to occur. But I will say it was like a cleansing.

[Mandala]

Bogeyman, I too have felt the changes. Many people have told me the same thing.