Is psychiatry a scam?

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Is Psychiatry A Scam? Truth About Mental Disorders & Health, Psychiatrists Colin Ross & Corrina Psychetruth

Psychetruth Correspondent Corrina Rachel interviews psychiatrist Dr. Colin Ross about Psychiatry and his book, The Great Psychiatry Scam. Is psychiatry a scientifically based medical practice? Is there evidence that mental illness is a brain disease, a chemical imbalance or genetic disorder?

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[Mulder]

Psychiatry is not a science and many "disorders" cannot be scientifically tested e.g. borderline personality disorder. However, it does have some positive points e.g. an emphaisis on the mind (whatever it is).

[Cartomancer]

Psychiatry= better living through chemistry. They will tell you what's wrong with you and then dope you for it. High tech Sorcery if you ask me.

[Cidersomerset]

Psychetruth Correspondent Corrina Rachel interviews psychiatrist Dr. Colin Ross about Psychiatry and his book, The Great Psychiatry Scam. Is psychiatry a scientifically based medical practice? Is there evidence that mental illness is a brain disease, a chemical imbalance or genetic disorder?


This makes sence to me...Big pharma and the medical world are far to eager to dish out pills ...Lots of money involved !!

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[Meesh]

A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

[Snoweagle]

Damn right its a scam!
Have yourself a stroke and do not request medical aid (I had been denied NHS). Recovery will be slow and the brain will automatically "reborn" your mind. Awesome experience. (four years ago, another three for complete recovery, (seven year cycle))
Took awhile for the significance of the injury to convince me I had changed and researched the implications with immense difficulty I trawled through psychiatry books for assistance and realised they were nothing more than peer reviewing each others diatribe of explanations, the more bizarre the proposed cure the more prominent the author would become. I was unable to find any literature written about stroke recovery by any medically qualified person who had personally suffered themselves.
A bit like claiming expertise in aliens without personally seeing one.
When I asked my doctor if the burning laser of a "kundalini" in the centre of my forehead was harmful in any way he replied "Whats that . . . ? followed by a shrug as he reviewed my medical record. I remained stumb, choosing not to push him as well, especially after the hospital denied me. Only to find a few days later during my cardiac check my medical records had been changed, courtesy of a friendly nurse. I then made an appointment to see the doctor to challenge him only for him to have me removed from the practice. I now have no access to any NHS doctor.

Psychiatry is an intellectual sport. It is nothing more than medical philosophy. Plato meets Chaucer meets Shakespeare in medically cacophonic bamboozlement for the masses. If it warrants medical discussion then cut and dice or sell to the highest pharmaceutic manufacturer. All a con.

I would be more than happy to review the book by Dr. Colin Ross about Psychiatry, The Great Psychiatry Scam.

Then again, why bother. I personally feel immensely advantaged by my current condition and more than happy to return to spirit from a corpse at the side of the road. Have tried to help others but it's a waste of time. Even here a Avalon, lots of lovely people but so distracted from whats going on it infuriates me that they waste so much time on guff and tripe. The answers are staring them in the face, yet they wait for fantasy and the answers are so simple. Anyways, I concur that psychiatry is a quack science.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

Out of four post this one makes the best so far, also in my professional opinion.

A lot if not most of my clients have deal with psychiatric/mental disorders, the scope from where these disorders can/could or do originate from is so broad it is near impossible to put your finger on it and say "thats it" and this is how to cure/treat/or get over it.

Medication usually only dampens the effects of the real life problems these people encounter, they are just for coping and they in general do not fix jack sh!t, just surpress, and on many of days i feel like some dope pusher when handing out the medication ( especially due to the large amount of admin work that goes with it, read when to order new more and better designer dope).

There is one subject in particular that is almost never discussed in my line of work and thats the spirituality factor and thats really really bad news imo, since a lot of the people i reach out to and for are psychotic ( hear/see things, some good but for the most part not so good), have multiple personality disorders ( they split off their personalities due to abuse, read mental, sexual, plain old beating the crap out of or a combination of all),
borderline personality disorders ( usually have to do with being left or not being heard by a parent/parents/ caregivers, divorces as a young child, most of them are women but men are not exluded from this at all).

The spirituality factor.................. i see people on a daily basis( about 70 of them) of all ages, sexes, race, nationality, background and what have you. ALL of them can display a very odd combination of being their self and something or someone else in the most strange ways you can think off and this makes life really difficult for most of them ( i believe them when they say they hear or see things but i can never ever ( god forbid) discuss this with my co worker since they are very close minded.)

There are so many aspects of what life is ( before, during, after death or all we talking about the same thing here and is it just a density issue eh) let alone the aspect of archons and et or eds ( which i think are totally real by the way but kinda hard to touch in the flesh so what the hell am i even trying to say here...... seeeee.. thats how hard it is... makes me sounding psychotic myself doesnt it??)

Then there is the whole nature vs nurture debate ( its all just a combination if you ask me and how could it not be), the unseen aspects that cannot be touched by modern psychology are the main problem, what is life and in what ways can it help you or screw with your perception and sanity. better yet ( who or what are its intentions and why does this happen to you, what des it need you for)

I have some opinions and points of view but adressing those would be a complete social suicide in my line of work, too bad, i just shut up and try to make life as bearable as possible for the people who do seriously need help and if thats handing out a pill because its the only thing i am allowed to offer, thats exactly what i will offer, you try to say no to someone who is going NUTS from things they dont understand that influence their life nevertheless....... here you go...... have the pill and please get some peace and try to sleep. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day, i will fix you a nice cuppa with some toast and we take a walk in the park, how bout that?

[nearing]

Those saying that the Dr. Is going to far with the word scam need to watch the video. He has good reason for using that strong word.

No biological basis for those 'disorders', psychiatrists wanting to be 'real docs' and the pharmaceutical industry marketing and making a killing on drugs that don't work and instead harm.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Those saying that the Dr. Is going to far with the word scam need to watch the video. He has good reason for using that strong word.

No biological basis for those 'disorders', psychiatrists wanting to be 'real docs' and the pharmaceutical industry marketing and making a killing on drugs that don't work and instead harm.

Watched it and agreed with it, there is a lot more to it than that though i gave my point of view and i kept it really short too, so not saying the man is wrong, i see about four shrinks a day with clients and they can be total selfabsorbed pricks and yes they prescribe medications and yes they benefit, and yes clients with more severe disorders benefit from the medication as well, not a very popular thing to say but true nevertheless, it can get them through the day instead of jumping in front of trains, out of windows or making life really hard for loved ones and bystanders.. the way i see it, it can also buy them time until they wake up from whatever bugs them...i do not want to come to work and find dead people in their bed because they killed themselves............. i think if someone wants to.. go for it.... problem is...... the people who find them have feelings too.
That would be me:(

[Snoweagle]

A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

Out of four post this one makes the best so far, also in my professional opinion.

A lot if not most of my clients have deal with psychiatric/mental disorders, the scope from where these disorders can/could or do originate from is so broad it is near impossible to put your finger on it and say "thats it" and this is how to cure/treat/or get over it.

Medication usually only dampens the effects of the real life problems these people encounter, they are just for coping and they in general do not fix jack sh!t, just surpress, and on many of days i feel like some dope pusher when handing out the medication ( especially due to the large amount of admin work that goes with it, read when to order new more and better designer dope).

There is one subject in particular that is almost never discussed in my line of work and thats the spirituality factor and thats really really bad news imo, since a lot of the people i reach out to and for are psychotic ( hear/see things, some good but for the most part not so good), have multiple personality disorders ( they split off their personalities due to abuse, read mental, sexual, plain old beating the crap out of or a combination of all),
borderline personality disorders ( usually have to do with being left or not being heard by a parent/parents/ caregivers, divorces as a young child, most of them are women but men are not exluded from this at all).

The spirituality factor.................. i see people on a daily basis( about 70 of them) of all ages, sexes, race, nationality, background and what have you. ALL of them can display a very odd combination of being their self and something or someone else in the most strange ways you can think off and this makes life really difficult for most of them ( i believe them when they say they hear or see things but i can never ever ( god forbid) discuss this with my co worker since they are very close minded.)

There are so many aspects of what life is ( before, during, after death or all we talking about the same thing here and is it just a density issue eh) let alone the aspect of archons and et or eds ( which i think are totally real by the way but kinda hard to touch in the flesh so what the hell am i even trying to say here...... seeeee.. thats how hard it is... makes me sounding psychotic myself doesnt it??)

Then there is the whole nature vs nurture debate ( its all just a combination if you ask me and how could it not be), the unseen aspects that cannot be touched by modern psychology are the main problem, what is life and in what ways can it help you or screw with your perception and sanity. better yet ( who or what are its intentions and why does this happen to you, what des it need you for)

I have some opinions and points of view but adressing those would be a complete social suicide in my line of work, too bad, i just shut up and try to make life as bearable as possible for the people who do seriously need help and if thats handing out a pill because its the only thing i am allowed to offer, thats exactly what i will offer, you try to say no to someone who is going NUTS from things they dont understand that influence their life nevertheless....... here you go...... have the pill and please get some peace and try to sleep. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day, i will fix you a nice cuppa with some toast and we take a walk in the park, how bout that?

Under advisement, I have deleted my comment. I respect your honesty.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

A "scam"? That's too much of an overgeneralization for me. One of the biggest issues in the mental health field right now, in my professional opinion, is that people are being diagnosed with disorders that they don't have and that people are taking medications that they don't need. That doesn't mean that psychological disorders don't exist and that psychiatric medications do not help people who really need them.

Out of four post this one makes the best so far, also in my professional opinion.

A lot if not most of my clients have deal with psychiatric/mental disorders, the scope from where these disorders can/could or do originate from is so broad it is near impossible to put your finger on it and say "thats it" and this is how to cure/treat/or get over it.

Medication usually only dampens the effects of the real life problems these people encounter, they are just for coping and they in general do not fix jack sh!t, just surpress, and on many of days i feel like some dope pusher when handing out the medication ( especially due to the large amount of admin work that goes with it, read when to order new more and better designer dope).

There is one subject in particular that is almost never discussed in my line of work and thats the spirituality factor and thats really really bad news imo, since a lot of the people i reach out to and for are psychotic ( hear/see things, some good but for the most part not so good), have multiple personality disorders ( they split off their personalities due to abuse, read mental, sexual, plain old beating the crap out of or a combination of all),
borderline personality disorders ( usually have to do with being left or not being heard by a parent/parents/ caregivers, divorces as a young child, most of them are women but men are not exluded from this at all).

The spirituality factor.................. i see people on a daily basis( about 70 of them) of all ages, sexes, race, nationality, background and what have you. ALL of them can display a very odd combination of being their self and something or someone else in the most strange ways you can think off and this makes life really difficult for most of them ( i believe them when they say they hear or see things but i can never ever ( god forbid) discuss this with my co worker since they are very close minded.)

There are so many aspects of what life is ( before, during, after death or all we talking about the same thing here and is it just a density issue eh) let alone the aspect of archons and et or eds ( which i think are totally real by the way but kinda hard to touch in the flesh so what the hell am i even trying to say here...... seeeee.. thats how hard it is... makes me sounding psychotic myself doesnt it??)

Then there is the whole nature vs nurture debate ( its all just a combination if you ask me and how could it not be), the unseen aspects that cannot be touched by modern psychology are the main problem, what is life and in what ways can it help you or screw with your perception and sanity. better yet ( who or what are its intentions and why does this happen to you, what des it need you for)

I have some opinions and points of view but adressing those would be a complete social suicide in my line of work, too bad, i just shut up and try to make life as bearable as possible for the people who do seriously need help and if thats handing out a pill because its the only thing i am allowed to offer, thats exactly what i will offer, you try to say no to someone who is going NUTS from things they dont understand that influence their life nevertheless....... here you go...... have the pill and please get some peace and try to sleep. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day, i will fix you a nice cuppa with some toast and we take a walk in the park, how bout that?

My point exactly. Some ruddy professional you sound to be. Clearly doing what you are told for a little reward, just like the rest of the profession. Probably avoiding blame just as concentration camp guards did post war; it didn't help them either. Clearly I am angry, not really against you but the weakness of your "soul" that considers justifying your actions at the bequest of false science. The mistaken trust in the whole medical pharma industry.

As you said, only one post was important to you. The one from the "spas" had no merit, just like complaints from your "clients" as they aren't patients in your line of work by your own admission ie "take the pill and shut the flute up and go to sleep". And its legal too, amazing.

Ahem, you dont know me at all and the shut the flute up is not what i said, its what you said, not passing judgement on you so you better should not judge me, you have no clue about what i see on a daily basis and still have to deal with and makes descicions about.

I said i have personal opinions too, i said i did, maybe you read past them, that happens.. no problem.

[spiritguide]

Psyche - old greek for soul. Psychiatry is theory as is the soul is in science, hence still looking and sorting. IMHO Different stimuli elicites different reactions and will fade/change as the stimuli is removed/changed. Does the phrase "Problem,Action,Solution" sound familiar?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I don´t think it´s a scam.

It´s just another good tool that´s been frequently misused.

Some kinds of mental illness are really the result of unbalanced chemicals in the brain; psychiatry and conventional medicine are pretty good in treating these.

I have a close friend who started developing schizophrenia when he was about 17. It was horrific, really. They had to tie him to a hospital bed because he was biting himself very hard. He was out of his mind, literally.

Psychiatry really helped him. Schizophrenia is not a curable illness, but can be controlled and managed with the right medications and therapy.

Nowadays, he lives a normal live. He needs some extra attention and has his hard moments, but most of the times he can take care of himself.

Cheers,

Raf.

[realitycorrodes]

Even here a Avalon, lots of lovely people but so distracted from whats going on it infuriates me that they waste so much time on guff and tripe. The answers are staring them in the face, yet they wait for fantasy and the answers are so simple.

Loved your comments SnowEagle!

I would appreciate you sharing the simple answers with me.

Peace

[nearing]

Personality disordered individuals aren't given psychiatric drugs (at least they shouldn't be unless they have some comorbidity) as a personality disorder isn't 'treatable' by their definition.

The problem is that psychiatrists are pill pushers these days rather than the old days when they counseled. Now they leave that to the social workers and psychologists because they want to write scripts! Mental disorders are real, but they are not about chemical imbalances in the brain and therefore cannot be fixed with pills.

Our culture is dysfunctional (hence all of threads complaining about it) and thereof, we are going to raise days functional people! No pill is going to fix that. Only fixing the culture can help as well as lots of personal support.

No wonder so many want out. Who can effing blame them? And why is it that we all think it's so horrible that we need to stop people from exercising their free will?

I happen to think it's a viable solution to living in this horrid culture. Pushing people to stay and withstand it and endure it is cruel. Not everyone can take this crap.

And if you believe in reincarnation, as I do, you don't see it as, 'oh, better stay and suffer cuz this is all you get' - I say that is BS with a capital BS.

Regardless, the pills pushed on the innocent and suffering have effects (not side) much worse and numerous than the benefits evidenced. They screw with your brain and your personality and are no better than placebo! Give them placebo for crying out loud.

Anyway, that's just mho.

[nomadguy]

I think it could be and by design, I really like how Alan Watts examined it,
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[Cartomancer]

Plumber 665. I didn't mean to be flippant in my earlier response. Your views made me realize that there is a legitimate use for Psychiatry. My wife works with disabled people and I have learned a lot from spending time around them. Many people couldn't function without help of one kind or another. Thank you for helping others.

[danceblackcatdance]

Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?












A: Just one... but its very expensive...it takes a long time.... and the light bulb has to really want to change.


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[Arrowwind]

I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it has become a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularly victim to a whole new real of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal governement and the pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools for each persecription made...

A scam? Absolutley. A money making scam who's vicitims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with signfiiciant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few who do well if they happen to cross paths with phsyicains who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand, I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds of depression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There are cures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential... unfortuanatly most people can figure out what they need and what works so they are perpetual victims to the medical inustry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course phsychiatrists are clueles on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisis mediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their lifes game plan. Seek out always a homeopath or a naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatirist if you must, but only after about 2 years work with a good shaman. Because phsyciatrists do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.

[nearing]

I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it has become a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularly victim to a whole new real of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal governement and the pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools for each persecription made...

A scam? Absolutley. A money making scam who's vicitims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with signfiiciant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few who do well if they happen to cross paths with phsyicains who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand, I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds of depression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There are cures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential... unfortuanatly most people can figure out what they need and what works so they are perpetual victims to the medical inustry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course phsychiatrists are clueles on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisis mediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their lifes game plan. Seek out always a homeopath or a naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatirist if you must, but only after about 2 years work with a good shaman. Because phsyciatrists do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.

Excellently put.

[DeDukshyn]

I see the need to make distinct a generalization that may need further "distinction". To say that "psychiatry is a scam" is a gross generalization.

I have been able to make many connections of grander concepts concerning spirituality and the conscious mind to the works of Anton Mesmer and Carl Jung. Even Freud recommended laughter as the best medicine yet that has been removed and criticized from many of his teachings because it was not "scientific".

That said .. modern day psychiatry is mostly a scam. Just like dentistry is. Sometimes it it is helpful but mostly it is just another way to suck money out of you with no care or regard to your well being (or the false sense by Dr and patient thereof)

[ghostrider]

The world just needs a scientific way to explain and evil spirit tormenting a pure soul.

[Arrowwind]

I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it hasbecome a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularlyvictim to a whole new realm of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal government andthe pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools foreach prescription made...

A scam? Absolutely. A money making scam who's victims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with significant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few whodo well if they happen to cross paths with physicians who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand,I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds ofdepression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There arecures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential...unfortunately most people can figure out what they need and what works so theyare perpetual victims to the medical industry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course psychiatrists are
clueless on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisismediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their life’s game plan. Seek out always a homeopath ora naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatrists if you must, but only after about 2years work with a good shaman. Because psychiatrist do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.


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Excellently put.

Im amazed anyone would read that with all the typos.. enough to embarrass myself.... here it stands fixed! :o

[bogeyman]

Who is to decide what is normal in a world as mad as this? A psychiatrist? The parameters of normality can various from culture to culture, what was exceptable behaviour a few years ago isnt now, doesnt mean you need to see a psychiatrist. Social influence does indeed play a factor in this, and of course medical snobby.

[Dennis Leahy]

A great thread, thanks for starting it, nearing!

Snoweagle's entire post is excellent, and this short passage from it is such a powerful splash of cold water - I just love it. (Emphasis on the bolded sentence is mine.)



Psychiatry is an intellectual sport. It is nothing more than medical philosophy. Plato meets Chaucer meets Shakespeare in medically cacophonic bamboozlement for the masses. If it warrants medical discussion then cut and dice or sell to the highest pharmaceutic manufacturer. All a con.


Thanks, Snoweagle!

Dennis

[cheez_2806]

I guess it's not that surprising whether something is a scam or not. In terms of this society, it seems like an incredible amount of things are not what they appear to be. The big ones - government, education or the whole system....

I am currently taking a bachelor science course majoring in psychology and in an undergraduate course at the moment we don't go through alot about treatments but there is currently a new subject introduced named psychopathology of everyday life that give a general idea about what the current issues in these field of research are and some treatment ideas currently still been revised. All the material that the subject other than the introductory stuff, when you go further into the subjects, the disorders that are known and named such as depression, schiz, Alzheimers etc the lecture goes through the basic history, the symptoms and case studies however it doesn't provide answers to the actual causation of the so called disorder but has identified numerous risk factors that correlate strongly to it. Probably they really can't find a definite causation for mental disorders??? not sure~Anyways these risk factors tend to increase one's likelihood of developing a certain disorder as well. Apparently the risk factors associated with most of the disorders that are not biological are mostly related to personal life events and some biological ones as well. I think that is quiet obvious but they need paid research to prove this and that...The risk factors include stressors such as a loved one passing, work, school etc, basically narrowed down to surviving. People struggle to survive. We all want whats best and it is hard to get what is best for yourself without an abundant amount of $$ in this world and we all compete to death with one another for it. But we don't deal with that problem which in turn IS increasing the depression, increasing the likelihood of the individual to be prone to mental disorder or even a medical disease I suppose. It seems like psychology as well, like most diseases in the medical field, the science doesn't look to solving the fundamental causes however the experts step in rather to provide solutions to the negative symptoms that arise with the problem.
There was this new model of treatment called staging model which points out that the current treatments in psychology seem to focus on treating people with the extreme cases and don't review that there are different stages of progression within a particular disorder. Perhaps this model, is a better treatment than other ones even though it doesn't address the core causation but does provide a more efficient and careful diagnosis and review of the individual than the current ones that exist. As it at least dissects the problem the individual experiences into different stages so that they don't get put on heavy medication where they actually don't require it. However they are still trying to actually devising how to practically implement it. It is mentioned heaps of times in these three years of studying that treatment and diagnosis is important mainly because it helps finding the right treatment and learn more about the problem as well as helping the individual to become normal and functional. On top of that, the serious and extreme cases, it won't harm other people or disrupt others normal functioning. Perhaps that's one of the advantage about it....safety??

and there was this interesting topic that was discussed in the first tutorial class, the teacher was talking about what the aim of the psychologist/psychiatrist actually is. Is it reduce suffering or is it to return the individual to happiness???

[Czarek]

If some one says to you: "Sir, it's a chemical imbalance" and does not support that with any test results, I'd say it is a scam.

[Lost Soul]

I've no use of them. I figure a bartender or better yet, your dog can do better.

That said, it helped an employee of mine. His doc figured out he was having LSD flashbacks and was not going nuts. As a black man in the army in the '60s, they gave him the stuff, gave him a gun and told him to guard an attaché with his life. They put him on a plane (MAC) to Tokyo and observed him all the way. I'm not sure what the treatment was, but it kept him from losing his mind.

[Bill Ryan]

Is psychiatry a scam?
Not always -- in the accepted definition of "scam" (i.e. a knowing, deceptive scheme to deceive people and profit from the deception).

But the practice of psychiatrists is often harmful (despite any individual psychiatrist's sincere personal good intentions). Prescribing psycho-active drugs is almost always harmful.

If anyone honestly believes otherwise, they're simply not informed.

There are, and have been, quite a few formally qualified psychiatrists who are wonderful people and who have dedicated their lives to pushing the envelope of accepted academic knowledge.

Dr John Mack immediately comes to mind. So does Dr Richard Mackarness, who in 1976 wrote the really important book Not All in the Mind (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Not-All-Mind-Richard-Mackarness/dp/0330245929) -- demonstrating how many 'psychiatric disorders' are really severe food allergies. But sadly, these maverick pioneers are very much the exception.

[RMorgan]

Is psychiatry a scam?
Not always -- in the accepted definition of "scam" (i.e. a knowing, deceptive scheme to deceive people and profit from the deception).

But the practice of psychiatrists is often harmful (despite any individual psychiatrist's sincere personal good intentions). Prescribing psycho-active drugs is almost always harmful.

If anyone honestly believes otherwise, they're simply not informed.

There are, and have been, quite a few formally qualified psychiatrists who are wonderful people and who have dedicated their lives to pushing the envelope of accepted academic knowledge.

Dr John Mack immediately comes to mind. So does Dr Richard Mackarness, who in 1976 wrote the really important book Not All in the Mind (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Not-All-Mind-Richard-Mackarness/dp/0330245929) -- demonstrating how many 'psychiatric disorders' are really severe food allergies. But sadly, these maverick pioneers are very much the exception.

Hey Bill,

Don´t forget Carl Gustav Jung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jung) and Wilhelm Reich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich)!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Feren]

Hello, thank you for this interesting thread.
Psychiatry is useful, that's why it is also a weapon.
In my opinion, it WAS DESIGNED AS A WEAPON, AS A TECHNOLOGY OF POWER, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE USED AS MEDICINE, in contrast to what most of you think (that it was designed as a science and can be used as a weapon).
I'm reading an interesting article (PDF) about Foucault's critique of psychiatry, but I'm unable to attach it. Is there any way to do it?
For those who have access to Oxford Journals' database, you can search it. It is "Foucault's critique of psychiatric medicine" by Hubert L. Dreyfus.

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this on another thread ......But more apt here after listening to it !!

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[Pam]

I suppose that there could be some scam aspects to psychiatry. Mostly it has become a drug pushing industry. Certainly these days children are particularly victim to a whole new real of "disorders" simply because they are creative, free thinking, energetic and independent of nature. They will be crushed by their teachers, their fearful parents, the Federal governement and the pharmaceutical company that has pushed the government to pay schools for each persecription made...

A scam? Absolutley. A money making scam who's vicitims pay by death of spirit.

In my clinical experience I have not seen much real help for people with signfiiciant disorders. They still lead miserable lives while on drugs. There are a few who do well if they happen to cross paths with phsyicains who really know how to manage these very dangerous medications correctly.

On the other hand, I have seen real mental health issues cured with homeopathy... all kinds of depression, hyperactivity, personality disorder and schizophrenia. There are cures out there but you must look for them and know how to recognize a potential... unfortunately most people can figure out what they need and what works so they are perpetual victims to the medical inustry.

Also many mental disorders are rooted in nutritional deficiency. Of course phsychiatrists are clueles on this front. All in all they are not worth much outside of a crisis mediation... but then again there are individuals who perpetually seek out the crisis modus operandi as their lifes game plan. Seek out always a homeopath or a naturopath and fix the gut and feed the brain, which means fix the diet. What they cant fix leave for the psychiatirist if you must, but only after about 2 years work with a good shaman. Because phsyciatrists do not know how to walk the worlds they are very limited in their own self perspective as well as that of their patients, so of course, patients never really cure.

Arrowwind, Thanks for bringing up the aspect of diet and nutrition and I would add exercise....As a nurse it is all too clear to me that most people seeking any type of medical care expect medication as a treatment...We want to be fixed..and fixed fast. This allows big pharma a perfect setting to promote there chemical solutions...The other way, through homeopathy and nutrition is not a quick fix but will most likely be a lasting one. Time is money in the allopathic world, which includes psychiatry, and the quickest way to get someone in and out is to write a prescription..
Along with nutrition there has to be consideration of all the neurotoxins we consume. Flouride, MSG, aspertame are the well known ones but how much more is out there is anyone's guess...

Although a bit off topic, I have learned that any sort of healthcare is a personal responsibility...Don't take any medication without due diligence. Investigate the drug, investigate the dose, look into interactions. Mistakes happen all the time in the medical field..Do not give your power away to 'medical professionals'. All medications no matter how mundane they may seem have detrimental side effects, not to mention taking multiple medications.....what will the combination do? Remember, most allopathic medications are given to alleviate the symptoms not the cause..
pammy

[Daughter of Time]

I've known two people who commited suicide while undergoing psychiatric treatments. It wasn't the psychiatrists that lead them to commit suicide, it was the drugs.

I also know someone whose child was very hyper. The school the child attended said they would not let the child return to classes unless he was taken to a psychiatrist. The parents complied. The child was given drugs to calm him down. He became apathetic, listless, zombied. The parents knew that drugs were not the answer so they took him to a naturopath who knew immediately that the boy had worms! He gave the child a homeopatic medicine to kill the worms, drugs were removed, and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

[Sierra]

Hello, thank you for this interesting thread.
Psychiatry is useful, that's why it is also a weapon.
In my opinion, it WAS DESIGNED AS A WEAPON, AS A TECHNOLOGY OF POWER, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE USED AS MEDICINE, in contrast to what most of you think (that it was designed as a science and can be used as a weapon).
I'm reading an interesting article (PDF) about Foucault's critique of psychiatry, but I'm unable to attach it. Is there any way to do it?
For those who have access to Oxford Journals' database, you can search it. It is "Foucault's critique of psychiatric medicine" by Hubert L. Dreyfus.

Link to "Foucault's critique of psychiatric medicine" by Hubert L. Dreyfus :) (don't have access to the PDF)

http://jmp.oxfordjournals.org/content/12/4/311.abstract

[sygh]

Why do you say that?;)

[Arrowwind]

and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

Thats because most pshyciatrists are brainwashed idiots. Do not expect anything else from them for you waste your time and emotional energy.

[RMorgan]

and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

Thats because most pshyciatrists are brainwashed idiots. Do not expect anything else from them for you waste your time and emotional energy.


I agree, my friend.

Most of them are totally brainwashed indeed.

However, if you really research there are some very nice ones around.

Here where I live, we have a spiritualist hospital, a big one, funded by the people from the spiritualist religion.

All doctors there are very open minded, including the psychiatrists. It´s a good example of how spirituality and science can get along quite well.

We can´t generalize a whole category of professionals. In every field there are good and bad professionals, not only in medicine.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Arrowwind]

and within two weeks the child was perfectly well. Although the child was cured, the psychiatrist was not impressed.

Thats because most pshyciatrists are brainwashed idiots. Do not expect anything else from them for you waste your time and emotional energy.


I agree, my friend.

Most of them are totally brainwashed indeed.

However, if you really research there are some very nice ones around.

Here where I live, we have a spiritualist hospital, a big one, funded by the people from the spiritualist religion.

All doctors there are very open minded, including the psychiatrists. It´s a good example of how spirituality and science can get along quite well.

We can´t generalize a whole category of professionals. In every field there are good and bad professionals, not only in medicine.

Cheers,

Raf.

of course there is the exception to everything, but in general with the hundreds of thousands of doctors in the USA, 98% in my estimation are fully brainwashed... so your chances of meeting an open minded one is almost nil unless you actively seek them out with due diligence.

[Arrowwind]

And the most desturbing aspect of this brainwashed group is that they control the politics of health and create the laws by which we are forced to live by... there by assuring that as much of the public is duely brainwashed also, into their poor health, the emptying of their pockets and then death when the money runs out. The leading cause of forclosure in the USA is not the economy, it is from a health crisis and the draining of personal income into the pockets of the allopaths.

[sigma6]

Hey folks,

I don´t think it´s a scam.
It´s just another good tool that´s been frequently misused.
Some kinds of mental illness are really the result of unbalanced chemicals in the brain; psychiatry and conventional medicine are pretty good in treating these.
I have a close friend who started developing schizophrenia when he was about 17. It was horrific, really. They had to tie him to a hospital bed because he was biting himself very hard. He was out of his mind, literally.
Psychiatry really helped him. Schizophrenia is not a curable illness, but can be controlled and managed with the right medications and therapy.
Nowadays, he lives a normal live. He needs some extra attention and has his hard moments, but most of the times he can take care of himself.
Cheers,
Raf.

It's these examples that they use to imprison a thousand other people that don't need it, and are being slowly poisoned to death... and that is a crime... when a psychiatric prescription can cost $500 a month and upward for a chemical that probably cost them only $10 to make you now have a 'hidden' criminal syndicate gouging the public taxpayer ... so yes the short answer is no question, psychiatry as we know it today is 10% truth and 90% criminal abuse...

All the money overspent on doctors, nurses and the whole bogus 'health care system' and all the profiteers it attracts could be put to use making clean water, locally developed self sustaining greenhouse operations, parks with green grass and playgrounds and swimming pools, etc and free energy devices like Keshe's inventions... and proper care facilities for the aged. This would reduce to the need for these monolithic 'vacuum cleaners'... can you hear the sound? ... that's your money being sucked down an endless hole...