Extreme Power Grid Failure in India

[SEAM]

A massive power breakdown has hit India for a second day running, leaving more than half the country (600 million people) without power.

Officials said the northern and eastern grids had both collapsed. All Delhi metro services have been halted and staff are trying to evacuate trains.

Monday's power failure caused severe disruption and travel chaos across northern India.

It was unclear why the grid collapsed but the power minister said some states may have been taking too much power.

[Wind]

Of course the mainstream news will NOT tell the true reason behind that.

[Erich]

The Keshe Foundation, Rossi, and all other free energy dudes now have their big chance to do the right thing. 600 million people are waiting...Fingers crossed.

[astrid]

Links here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-19060279

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-31/second-power-failure-cripples-india/4167794

http://world.myjoyonline.com/pages/news/201207/91339.php

Are we waking up yet???

[PHARAOH]

Ah, can you say EMP... :jaw: :eek: :jaw: :(

[ViralSpiral]

Wow. Hope the hospitals have emergency generators.... :(


The chairman of UP Power Grid Corporation was transferred (a.k.a., in my world, as sacked)

source (http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/UP-power-grid-failure-fallout-up-power-corporation-chairman-transferred-3594727.html)

[Bill Ryan]

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The largest power failure in modern civilization.

More links -- from the Indian media:

http://ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet/north-india-s-worst-power-crisis-in-11-years-60-electricity-restored-says-power-minister-248943?pfrom=home-lateststories (http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet/north-india-s-worst-power-crisis-in-11-years-60-electricity-restored-says-power-minister-248943?pfrom=home-lateststories)

http://ndtv.com/article/cities/power-failure-leads-to-chaos-on-roads-249008?pfrom=home-otherstories (http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/power-failure-leads-to-chaos-on-roads-249008?pfrom=home-otherstories)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/North-India-power-failure-Supply-partially-restored-after-8-hours-of-disruption/articleshow/15270549.cms?

[Meesh]

Wake up call!

[Molope]

I heard that usually India has kind of electrical powers because its a country whith a deficient power grid but they never got to this extremes...coud this be a solar flare? anyone knows if there has been any kind of solar activity recently big enought to do this? I already doubt it woud be an Emp because if it woud be an EMP the power woudnt be back.The thing is that the Goverment of India doesnt seem to say what happened its fishy...

[christian]

This is what NASA says in regard to the most recent solar flare:



The sun emitted a mid-level flare, peaking at 4:55 PM EDT on July 28, 2012.

Solar flares are powerful bursts of radiation. Harmful radiation from a flare cannot pass through Earth's atmosphere to affect humans on the ground, however -- when intense enough -- they can disturb the atmosphere in the layer where GPS and communications signals travel. This disrupts the radio signals for as long as the flare is ongoing, anywhere from minutes to hours.

This flare is classified as an M6.2 flare. M-class flares are the weakest flares that can still cause some space weather effects near Earth. They can cause brief radio blackouts at the poles.

Increased numbers of flares are quite common at the moment, since the sun's normal 11-year activity cycle is ramping up toward solar maximum, which is expected in 2013.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/multimedia/SolarEvents-News-NOEDIT_archive_1.html

[Bill Ryan]

I already doubt it woud be an Emp because if it woud be an EMP the power woudnt be back.The thing is that the Goverment of India doesnt seem to say what happened its fishy...

The logic suggests this: if it wasn't the 28 July solar flare (and it may simply have been overload, plus a lot of weak links in the Indian grid), then this simply highlights how extremely vulnerable the grid actually is.

If a really big solar event happened, the catastrophic knock-down domino effect on power lines and transformers seems really obvious. A billion people in India would be taken out, half of China, all of Africa and Latin America... even if North America and Europe might be more or less okay. It bears thinking about.

[RMorgan]

I heard that usually India has kind of electrical powers because its a country whith a deficient power grid but they never got to this extremes...coud this be a solar flare? anyone knows if there has been any kind of solar activity recently big enought to do this? I already doubt it woud be an Emp because if it woud be an EMP the power woudnt be back.The thing is that the Goverment of India doesnt seem to say what happened its fishy...

Hey mate,

Anyone who knows India well enough, knows that they´re not quite an example of organization and neatness regarding these matters.

http://gallery.burrowowl.net/index.php?q=/image/23992.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IRjegf-fdpU/TIWkfbs-kOI/AAAAAAAAAX8/yaSK3jm_5oA/s1600/DSCF4317.JPG

http://blogs.cfr.org/coleman/files/2012/03/India-electricity-development-census-toilet-mobile-phone-internet2.jpg

It looks almost impossible to fix all this mess.

Any major failure could very much produce a chain reaction of hundreds of thousands of smaller failures.

I guess before they can fix it, they need to first clean up all this mess. It looks like the nightmare of every electrician.

Cheers,

Raf.

Ps: Just search "india wires" or "india cables" on google images and you´ll see many more of those.

[SEAM]

The failure on Tuesday affected roughly twice as many people as the massive power outage the previous day, when the northern power grid failed and left more than 300 million people without power for several hours. No official reason for the Monday's failure has been given, although some local news reports pointed fingers at state governments which were overdrawing power.

That assessment is too simplistic, BSES's Mr Saxena said. There are controls in place on India's electricity grids which override an outsized power demands. "We have one of the most robust, smart grids operating" in the world, he said. It would "not be wise" to give an assessment of what happened at this time, he added.

India's unofficial power grid, a huge number of backup diesel generators and other private power sources, kept hospitals electrified and major airports running Tuesday.

Institutions without a private backup system were shuttered. All trains stopped in the Delhi Metro, which carries nearly 2 million passengers a day. Trains were pulled to the closest stations using battery backup, and then evacuated, a spokeswoman for the Delhi Metro said, and the stations have been locked. "We had never anticipated such a thing," the spokeswoman said.

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"We had never anticipated such a thing," the spokeswoman said.... THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM...

[Christine]

Wake up call!

We are being shouted at from every where. Wake up call indeed.

[RMorgan]

[/COLOR]"We had never anticipated such a thing," the spokeswoman said.... THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM...

Really, they´ve been procrastinating and ignoring this problem for decades.

There´s no way to have an efficient power grid if the cabling and wiring grid isn´t organized to obtain maximum efficiency.

With all that mess, they´re probably wasting a lot of energy along the path from the energy generating plants to people´s homes and industries, specially with the huge economic growth they´re experiencing right now.

It´s just a lie to say that they couldn´t anticipate this problem.

Raf.

[ljwheat]

This could be a controlled test, analyzing the effects on a massive scale. Prelude to if or when they decide to shut down other area’s around the world for there final take over push for the New World Order.

As a lab test to find out how and where to throw control resources into a total take down exercise, or a controlled study in crowd (herd) behavior before pulling the switch on the rest of us. The entire civilized human structure can be analyzed threw a controlled shut down in such a massive populated area as India.

Especially now when the rest of the world is occupied with the Olympics’ in main stream media.

Real time accident or a controlled lab exercise ?

[SilentFeathers]

This is a rather interesting development. It really must be putting a strain on their economy etc.....

Great pics Raf, sure looks like a drunk spider weaved that web!!!! lol!

I doubt if we've heard the last of this, it will create a domino effect in many areas beyond India if they don't get it back up soon.

[Arrowwind]

I sincerely doubt it was a controlled accident. Its no big secret the impact this type of situation would have, nor the length of time to fix it. India has little in 'control resources' I would suspect.

Was a solar flair connected with this? or just an overuse crash?

[777]

I expect this event to snowball.

[RMorgan]

I sincerely doubt it was a controlled accident. Its no big secret the impact this type of situation would have, nor the length of time to fix it. India has little in 'control resources' I would suspect.

Was a solar flair connected with this? or just an overuse crash?

Most probably an overuse crash, associated with other variables like inefficiency, disorganization of the whole grid and increasing economic growth.

When you have a lot of patches in a wire or cable, a lot of energy is lost. If you have the necessary measuring tools you can test this at home.

Just connect a wire to lamp and measure the flux of energy. Then, cut this wire in 20 pieces, patch them together and measure the energy flux again.

Now, amplify this situation by millions and you´ll have a glimpse of what´s going on in India.

Ask any electrician how bad it is to make patches in your home wiring network. Now imagine how bad it would be in a country wide scale.

Raf.

[Molope]

Oh WOW i just seen Rmorgan pictures oh my godness thats quite...messy XDD

[pyrangello]

I would like to add here in northern michigan we have been getting a few lightening storms at night, really no big deal but I'm hereing of many whose hard drives have crashed , modems, and problems with the phone lines underground, especially in all of the upper peninsula . All of these things happened at my business here on the 19th/20th . Last night was another multiple lightening storm again and it knocked my computer modem out again as well. Just seems really bizarre on the amount of occurrances that are happening around here . And the muliple lightening in the sky for 1-2 hours straight. Just my 2 cents .

[sdv]

Oh WOW i just seen Rmorgan pictures oh my godness thats quite...messy XDD

Illegally hacking into the power grid is common in many countries.

This is not some kind of conspiracy, but the reality of life in many poor countries.

My crude analysis is the following for countries such as mine:

25% of the population contribute absolutely nothing and are completely dependant.
25% of the population can earn a basic living but connot afford to contribute (nonetheless, they are taxed and so they are marginalised into the lower 25%).

Of the remaining 50%, 10% are super rich, take hundredfold more than they need and accumulate assets for selfish self gain.

The remaining 40% must provide for themselves and support those who cannot provide for themselves. (They carry the entire country.)

Do guns and ammunition feed people and educate people? No, of course not. And, if they fuel rebellions then it simply a matter of have nots and haves switching places. Wake up and see the reality! You are not helping by selling weapons to rebels and revolutionary movements at all!

Countries such as the USA export far more guns than they do food and education and sustainable aid, but enrich themselves with exploitation of natural resources.

If the USA had to stop all export of all weapons and ammunition and instead export the same amount in education programmes (and you can be hard about the aid - a political party in Africa offered education bursaries to girls who graduated from school without falling pregnant - welcome to the real world!), the world would be a better place. What the hell happened to the peace corps?

[Sidney]

Anybody know what side of the earth was facing the last incoming CME??

[Ilie Pandia]

I sincerely doubt it was a controlled accident. Its no big secret the impact this type of situation would have, nor the length of time to fix it. India has little in 'control resources' I would suspect.

Was a solar flair connected with this? or just an overuse crash?

Most probably an overuse crash, associated with other variables like inefficiency, disorganization of the whole grid and increasing economic growth.

When you have a lot of patches in a wire or cable, a lot of energy is lost. If you have the necessary measuring tools you can test this at home.

Just connect a wire to lamp and measure the flux of energy. Then, cut this wire in 20 pieces, patch them together and measure the energy flux again.

Now, amplify this situation by millions and you´ll have a glimpse of what´s going on in India.

Ask any electrician how bad it is to make patches in your home wiring network. Now imagine how bad it would be in a country wide scale.

Raf.

I cannot speak for India, but here in Romania an overload can never cause power outage in half a country because of how the system is designed. All consumers are known and projections are being made from year to year as to what the power consumption will be for specific times of the year. You cannot bring a huge consumer online without special approval, but if you do that, the system is designed to cut power only locally to that consumer not in half the country.

In the event of a power plant failure, there are protocols in place for other generators to take over, and if that is not enough, the national grid is connected to other neighboring countries so energy can be bought from there.

The point I am trying to make is that an overload cannot cause such a wide scale power outage. Yes, patching can be a problem, but then again, there is near zero probability that all patches should "fry" at the same time...

Try to overload your home wires and see what happens... it's very unlikely you'll destroy anything more that your own wires and fuses, at most you'll cause a neighborhood level power outage, but never a cascade failure for half the country. (just kidding... don't try this at home.)

PS: I base all this information on a report from a family member that is familiar due to his job on how the nation grid is wired and how is supposed to work. I agree that there may be a long way from: "in theory we have backups and backups of backups" to the actual reality, but still, the overload explanation does not hold up in my opinion.

[Cartomancer]

We all need to pay attention to this. This could be a huge deal in the long run with that many people involved. The power grid in the U.S. has almost intentionally been left obsolete and vulnerable. This would be an easy way for the ptb to really get what they want. Talk about survival of the fittest. This kind of incident could send us back into the nineteenth century overnight and no one would be prepared. In reality this would or could be as bad as a World War or nuclear strike. This may be the sleeper that is actually used.

Get two months worth of food and water. A solar generator or gas generator. stock up on beer. Arm yourself. Get some fishing gear. Learn about edible plants in your region.

[RMorgan]

I cannot speak for India, but here in Romania an overload can never cause power outage in half a country because of how the system is designed. All consumers are known and projections are being made from year to year as to what the power consumption will be for specific times of the year. You cannot bring a huge consumer online without special approval, but if you do that, the system is designed to cut power only locally to that consumer not in half the country.

In the event of a power plant failure, there are protocols in place for other generators to take over, and if that is not enough, the national grid is connected to other neighboring countries so energy can be bought from there.

The point I am trying to make is that an overload cannot cause such a wide scale power outage. Yes, patching can be a problem, but then again, there is near zero probability that all patches should "fry" at the same time...

Try to overload your home wires and see what happens... it's very unlikely you'll destroy anything more that your own wires and fuses, at most you'll cause a neighborhood level power outage, but never a cascade failure for half the country. (just kidding... don't try this at home.)

PS: I base all this information on a report from a family member that is familiar due to his job on how the nation grid is wired and how is supposed to work. I agree that there may be a long way from: "in practice we have backups and backups of backups" to the actual reality, but still, the overload explanation does not hold up in my opinion.

Hey mate,

Well, here in Brazil we´ve experienced huge blackouts in the past, popularly called "apagões".

Since then, we did equally huge grid improvements that gladly solved the problem.

So, it´s quite possible indeed, specially if you consider that the Brazilian grid is a beauty compared to India.

Anyway, who knows...It´s probably a set of countless variables, which may or not include influence from the sun.

Computer hacking is another possibility as well. It happened here in the past, leaving millions of people in the dark for a couple of hours.

Cheers,

Raf.

[sdv]

The point I am trying to make is that an overload cannot cause such a wide scale power outage. Yes, patching can be a problem, but then again, there is near zero probability that all patches should "fry" at the same time...

You obviously have no idea of life in the 'third world', where it is common for the disenfranchised, uneducated, unemployable masses to easily, and they do, hack into the energy grid!

[Marsila]

okay i don't know where this conversation is leading....but it may be of use to throw all what you know out of the window when it comes to applying some things to India...you can hear or read about things, but seeing is different.

To me the surprise is that it took this long for any problem with there electricity to show, and i don't know what you are imagining but even the whole electricity wire things out of peoples houses is a bigger chaos when you see it in some areas, than how you may have thought.

You honestly cannot compare a country like Romania with India. Maybe the heat this summer was over the top and causes more consumption, but heaven knows it isn't only about consumption over there that may cause such a problem.

I do hope it all gets fixed soon though, as they are creative with quick fixes to over there.

[Cartomancer]

The point I am trying to make is that an overload cannot cause such a wide scale power outage. Yes, patching can be a problem, but then again, there is near zero probability that all patches should "fry" at the same time...

You obviously have no idea of life in the 'third world', where it is common for the disenfranchised, uneducated, unemployable masses to easily, and they do, hack into the energy grid!

That's true. When you live in a country with a fraction of the infrastructure power outages are simply a way of life.

[frodo13]

Something solar is going on. I live in Minnesota and we have a GPS SYSTEM provided for the use of public/private
land survey companys. It went down at about the same time as the grid in India.I think they are connected just don't know how.

[Lifebringer]

Is America ready to go for cleaner more abundant energy to prevent the baggers from bugging out.

AMERICA NEEDS THE NEW ENERGIES AND TECHNOLOGIES, NOT THE MONOPOLIES!!

[ghostrider]

When they restore power it could create some problems , powering up 600 million customers , hopefully they will do a block by block slow return. Most electrical systems use the max amp draw at startup. It could permanently damage transformers that would have to be replaced and thus they are in the dark a few more days. Also talk about hurting an economy, anything made in factories there is brought to a halt and now shipping and moving vast inventory is behind tight schedules, the higher ups will stress to the max until it's back on track. My heart goes out to the people if India .