Marine Corps creates law enforcement battalions

[Maia Gabrial]

Before I get to what I want to post, I want to get something off my chest. Sorry, if it rants but I'm hoping that Americans will get righteously indignant and take back their rights from these who are attempting to steal them.

You know, the UN wants to keep putting their noses so far up American a**es and even want our own soldiers to violate their own people. Doesn't this bother anyone? Collecting weapons violates our rights guaranteed by the Constitution, the highest law in the land; which btw those who swore to uphold are crapping on big time. Tell me why they shouldn't be slapped in irons for it?

I wonder how soldiers will handle this, being ordered to violate their own oaths to protect that Constitution? Folks, it's an illegal order, you know? No one has to follow those. And violating the Constitution is as high as it gets.

To all of you active duty soldiers, you're being ordered to commit treason. How does that sit on your conscience? Most people know by now that the upper echelons of the militaries are masons who are the ones actively helping to tear apart the country. Let's take it further and say the whole planet.... When you guys start going door to door, breaking them down, meeting resistence, beating up old ladies, kicking aside children, rifle-butting whoever you can, just remember you're the ones who are committing the crimes. The UN and the US corporation are tainting YOU and turning you into scum. My God, you're supposed to be OUR heroes! I don't think you'll ever be accepted in decent American societies again for your part in destroying the rights that so many have fought to keep. I'm not talking about that nonsense of protecting democracy in wars on foreign soil either. We all know that was total bullsh*t on the part of money profiteers. I understand that you HAVE TO follow orders, but is that really the excuse you want to use when you're standing trial? You had no choice? Your commanding officers deserve nothing less than a bullet in the head for not questioning the legality of THEIR orders. That knucklehead who sits in the White House who surrounds himself with every type of scum has everything to lose, if he thinks otherwise then he's a fool as well.

There seems to be a war going on alright; BUT it's between an out-of-control govt funded by deep pocketed slimes and the people of America.

Are we getting spitting made yet?


As the domestic police force is militarized,
the military takes on law enforcement role.

Soon enough, you'll have military conducting
roadblocks and checkpoints inside the
United States.

Oh, wait, that's already happening...

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Following up on this morning's report that
the military is activating 'law enforcement
battalions'...

A 1961 U.S. State Department memorandum
has been discovered, which outlines the total
disarmament of the U.S. population.

The UN's Arms Trade Treaty wraps up
negotiations today, the treaty happens to
mirror the memorandum mentioned above.

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/11521.html

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[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

This is really sad, really.

These poor soldiers are victims of the system, just like anyone else.

I really don´t believe they are ethical enough to disobey any orders coming from above.

They´re completely brainwashed and will attack anyone tagged as enemies by their superiors.

Invading other countries and killing their people is also a violation of human rights, which didn´t stop the same soldiers from murdering innocent people all around the world.

It´s really sad to say this, but they are used to killing people. They are programmed to kill, not to protect.

I have no experience on killing people, but I think the last thing that goes through your mind when you´re trained to murder, is about the nationality of your victims.

Haven´t your soldiers killed a lot of their compatriots during your civil wars already?

These poor human beings are conditioned to follow orders, no matter what.

I just hope I´m wrong and something makes them change their minds when the final order is given.

Raf.

[TargeT]

To all of you active duty soldiers, you're being ordered to commit treason. How does that sit on your conscience?

The army has "military police"

The airforce has "Security forces"

the Navy has "military police"

the marines do too, how is this an issue or illegal orders or orders to take away guns or any of the conclusions you've jumped to here?

You're clearly passionate about this topic but no illegal orders have been given, the separation of military(federal) and law enforcement(state level) is still understood...

This quote came from the top link you posted & should be emphasized:


The Marine Corps has had police battalions off and on since World War II, but they were primarily focused on providing security, such as accompanying fuel convoys or guarding generals on visits to dangerous areas

I can expand further on this, but here's a very quick summary: MP's are the MOST DEPLOYED MOS (military occupational specialty) in ALL branches of service right now, this restructure on the marines part is just an attempt to fill a need, NOTHING else.



It´s really sad to say this, but they are used to killing people. They are programmed to kill, not to protect.

Yes, we train soldiers to blow **** up and kill people, what would you have us do, hand out candy and flowers?

the military is not a police force, its a force of destruction... we have some specially trained military police that are better at dealing with "human rights" issues etc and less focused on... killing & destruction)



I have no experience on killing people, but I think the last thing that goes through your mind when you´re trained to murder, is about the nationality of your victims.

Actually dehumanizing is a big part of our training and its very focused on the particular "bad guy" that will be faced (for example, Arabs are getting the brunt of this psychological de-humanization)



Haven´t your soldiers killed a lot of their compatriots during your civil wars already? well we only had one civil war & it was "north / south" and that war was HARDLY what the history books portray it to be (I'll leave it at that...) but the north south divide was leveraged just like the US / Arab divide was leveraged for the middle east.

[ghostrider]

The first duty is to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Wonder how many will draw a line in the sand and stand for freedom ?

[RMorgan]

Yes, we train soldiers to blow **** up and kill people, what would you have us do, hand out candy and flowers?



Great idea, in fact!

If your military had spent their time and efforts planting flowers, instead of sticking their noses in other countries business, the world would be a much better place right now.

Seriously, when was the last time your military actually protected American soil? This is supposed to be their role, right?

All they do is illegally invading other countries using the "protecting your freedom" excuse.

[modwiz]

To all of you active duty soldiers, you're being ordered to commit treason. How does that sit on your conscience?

The army has "military police"

The airforce has "Security forces"

the Navy has "military police"

the marines do too, how is this an issue or illegal orders or orders to take away guns or any of the conclusions you've jumped to here?

You're clearly passionate about this topic but no illegal orders have been given, the separation of military(federal) and law enforcement(state level) is still understood...

This quote came from the top link you posted & should be emphasized:


The Marine Corps has had police battalions off and on since World War II, but they were primarily focused on providing security, such as accompanying fuel convoys or guarding generals on visits to dangerous areas

I can expand further on this, but here's a very quick summary: MP's are the MOST DEPLOYED MOS (military occupational specialty) in ALL branches of service right now, this restructure on the marines part is just an attempt to fill a need, NOTHING else.



It´s really sad to say this, but they are used to killing people. They are programmed to kill, not to protect.

Yes, we train soldiers to blow **** up and kill people, what would you have us do, hand out candy and flowers?

the military is not a police force, its a force of destruction... we have some specially trained military police that are better at dealing with "human rights" issues etc and less focused on... killing & destruction)



I have no experience on killing people, but I think the last thing that goes through your mind when you´re trained to murder, is about the nationality of your victims.

Actually dehumanizing is a big part of our training and its very focused on the particular "bad guy" that will be faced (for example, Arabs are getting the brunt of this psychological de-humanization)



Haven´t your soldiers killed a lot of their compatriots during your civil wars already? well we only had one civil war & it was "north / south" and that war was HARDLY what the history books portray it to be (I'll leave it at that...) but the north south divide was leveraged just like the US / Arab divide was leveraged for the middle east.

Thanks for the clarity and hopefully ending going down mistaken paths. The hidden gem in your post was the one about the War of Northern Aggression. Although you alluded to its' historical/farcical name. Thanks to the internet, not all Yankees are clueless. This will go a long way in bringing the North and South together in this country. As it belongs. Let the difference in culture be an enriching one without the lies that have served to divide us. Slave owners were the elite of their day. Like the Iraqis, the rest of the South suffered for the sins of those who ruled over them.

Great post. Glad I remembered your name in the acknowledgment thread.

[Maia Gabrial]

Target, I say, "Wait for it..." They've been testing the waters for awhile now. Or should I say spiking the waters? It would explain why people are too passive to care about matters like this.... What do we need freedom for anyway? Forgive me for saying this, but it sounds to me like you approve of the UN agenda. The American soldier should NEVER be asked to take on such a duty. He IS violating the very spirit of America. It's treason anyway you look at it because the Constitution guards against it.


the marines do too, how is this an issue or illegal orders or orders to take away guns or any of the conclusions you've jumped to here?


You have to ask that question? Didn't you learn in recruit training that you DON'T have to follow illegal orders like being ordered to jump off the third floor? Because that would have caused you great harm or death. Do you remember anything about the Constitution? Or the rights that protect you? I didn't jump to ANY conclusions here, Target. It's plain and simple. The Constitution is our guide in this country. It ensures our freedom and keeps that overly ambitious bunch of public officials from going out of control. I may not like guns, but if that's what will keep that bunch in line, then I'm all for it. Why wouldn't every American?
May people take their oaths seriously. Obviously, not many of them are in DC....

I know quite a few people who have already said "But that's unConstitutional!" for what Obama and this Congress have signed into law. And yet they did it anyway, right? . Why? Because they want to see how much they can get away with before being caught. Before we slap them into irons....

You're damn right I'm passionate about this because I'm watching this deterioration preceed unchecked. Bit by bit because people don't seem to care.Or feel that they can't do anything about it. Far from it, my friend. Must be all that flouride....Did you know they don't teach the Constitution in school anymore? Or very little of it? It's a way to ensure that the political criminals can violate anyone they want and they wouldn't know any better.

I say let's keep the military where they belong - in the battlefields. NOT American neighborhoods. You said it yourself - the military is a force of destruction. Why would they be turned lose against US? I agree that they should secure place and people when necessary, but sending them in to beat down doors and terrrize their own people....?

Let's get the criminals out of public office, so they don't order such military actions. It's not necessary. The only terrorists are in DC anyway.... Get that damn UN off our soil before they steal that, too.

You want to know what's really pathetic? Only after I signed on the dotted line to become a Marine, raised my hand to swear my oath to defend the Constitution, did I learn that I gave up all of MY Constitutional rights to defend the Constitution. How fukked up is that?

[TargeT]

Target, I say, "Wait for it..." They've been testing the waters for awhile now. Or should I say spiking the waters? It would explain why people are too passive to care about matters like this.... What do we need freedom for anyway? Forgive me for saying this, but it sounds to me like you approve of the UN agenda. The American soldier should NEVER be asked to take on such a duty. He IS violating the very spirit of America. It's treason anyway you look at it because the Constitution guards against it.

It's my understanding that the UN treaty got sabotaged (perhaps not the best word for this situation) & is really a non-issue (for now). I do not agree with it nor many "laws" really, I'm not sure what duty your speaking of that violates the spirit of "America" from a "boots on ground" perspective we are just "doing our job" and its all very cut and dry (assuming you have fallen for the 9/11 lie & /or pre-emptive wars crap & the fact that the congress gave away war powers to the executive branch, which most soldiers, like most people in the world have fallen for)

I've never gotten any orders that I could say was illegal, I did question my deployments but there was always a "good explanation" on why or what we were doing.

I will agree that the waters are being tested, frankly I'd be more concerned about NORCOM that recently got stood up, that's a very interesting situation to me.




the marines do too, how is this an issue or illegal orders or orders to take away guns or any of the conclusions you've jumped to here?


You have to ask that question? Didn't you learn in recruit training that you DON'T have to follow illegal orders like being ordered to jump off the third floor? Because that would have caused you great harm or death. Do you remember anything about the Constitution? Or the rights that protect you? I didn't jump to ANY conclusions here, Target. It's plain and simple. The Constitution is our guide in this country. It ensures our freedom and keeps that overly ambitious bunch of public officials from going out of control. I may not like guns, but if that's what will keep that bunch in line, then I'm all for it. Why wouldn't every American?
There are people who took their oaths seriously. Obviously, not many of them are in DC....

Hmm, well I've been in the military for 13 years and have been an Oathkeeper since they were formed (hell even my license plate lets you know what I'm about: OTHKPR)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/ca16faff.jpg
now I'm not professing to be a constitutional scholar but I'd say I know a thing or two about it, in fact there's a stack of pocket sized constitutions sitting on my desk right next to my stack of oathkeeper cards (just in case someone has questions on either)

I'm not sure how you ready my post but it was simply meant to clarify on a topic I have some understanding of.


....Did you know they don't teach the Constitution in school anymore? Or very little of it? It's a way to ensure that the political criminals can violate anyone they want and they wouldn't know any better.

In fact I do, and I hate to admit it but the last time I gave a constitutional class was in September of 2011 to a boy scout group (the lecture was, admittedly a bit over their heads; but the Q&A portion was fun)



I say let's keep the military where they belong - in the battlefields. NOT American neighborhoods. You said it yourself - the military is a force of destruction. Why would they be turned lose against US? I agree that they should secure place and people when necessary, but sending them in to beat down doors and terrorize their own people....?

I can't think of a single battlefield we should be in right now, infact out of the 550 bases OUT SIDE the US currently I cannot think of one that should remain there, I say we bring all our troops home and down size a bit, do we really need to spend 700-800 billion a year on "defense"? I think not.



Let's get the criminals out of public office, so they don't order such military actions. It's not necessary. The only terrorists are in DC anyway.... Get that damn UN off our soil before they steal that, too.

I hope you don't live in california, thats where the UN was started & still is a seat of power for it... I agree that DC (which isn't even a part of this country.. its the District of Columbia & has its own 10 mile square jurisdiction...) is full of useless greedy corrupt individuals.


You want to know what's really pathetic? Only after I signed on the dotted line to become a Marine, raised my hand to swear my oath to defend the Constitution, did I learn that I gave up all of MY Constitutional rights to defend the Constitution. How fukked up is that?

Yep, I'm still in that boat.. haha it is a shock when you first learn of it isn't it?

[Maia Gabrial]

It's my understanding that the UN treaty got sabotaged (perhaps not the best word for this situation) & is really a non-issue (for now). I do not agree with it nor many "laws" really, I'm not sure what duty your speaking of that violates the spirit of "America" from a "boots on ground" perspective we are just "doing our job" and its all very cut and dry (assuming you have fallen for the 9/11 lie & /or pre-emptive wars crap & the fact that the congress gave away war powers to the executive branch, which most soldiers, like most people in the world have fallen for)

I've never gotten any orders that I could say was illegal, I did question my deployments but there was always a "good explanation" on why or what we were doing.

First, it's good to hear that you're an Oathkeeper. I'm glad you're on our side. It carries alot of weight with me.... :becky:

Secondly, nice wheels!

Third, I was referring to the Spirit of Freedom.... America used to be envied for it because many wanted to come here for it. Let's hope that we can do something about the US corporations's threat against it....

I just have to ask you, if it ever bothered you that you were killing people who had every right to defend themselves and their country? Doing that sort of duty is not illegal. It's just morally unjust. Wouldn't we hate a country that attacked us the way we did them? I can't blame them for hating the US for violating their sovereignties and plundering their resources.... I understand that soldiers are just doing their duties, just following orders. And how would you know the REAL reasons behind your orders anyway? Need to know and all that....Afterall, yours is not to question why. Yours is just to do and die..... They'll make them sound reasonable, right?


I can't think of a single battlefield we should be in right now, infact out of the 550 bases OUT SIDE the US currently I cannot think of one that should remain there, I say we bring all our troops home and down size a bit, do we really need to spend 700-800 billion a year on "defense"? I think not.

Yep, definitely close all of those bases and bring them home. Has a nice ring to it, don't it? The US presence is just an excuse to spy on those countries anyway. And I believe that the US corporation is so paranoid that they see enemies everywhere. If not, they'll make some to justify their agressive plans... You have to admit that that "defense" is actually going out starting a fight with a country and then defending is not an honorable thing. That's bullying. I agree that downsizing the US presence would stop making those countries feel so threatened and enraged. Can anyone blame them for wanting revenge? Maybe they'd forgive our country when we make amends to them.... we could only hope....

Now as to those aggressive plans....I believe that they're done plundering and destroying the other side of the planet and now it's time to do it here with the help of that corrupt United Nations. It's hard to believe that it's Americans doing it to Americans....

What will you do, TargeT when you're ordered to violate the homes of people in your state looking for guns that the Constitution guaranteed them? When you kick their doors down, will you think about how you've just violated several of their Constitutional rights? Those same rights that you're supposed to be protecting? Why aren't you active duty soldiers looking for ways to head into DC to arrest those known traitors there? If you're looking for terrorists, you don't have to look much farther than DC and New York where the UN building is. DC has everything from treachery to drugs to slaves and pedophilia. What are you guys waiting for? Doesn't the new NDAA cover them, too? The whole problem seems to be stemming from that 10mile by 10mile area that is not supposed to be part of the country, yet it controls it anyway....

[TargeT]

, I was referring to the Spirit of Freedom.... America used to be envied for it because many wanted to come here for it.

Honestly I think the propaganda just worked better back then, I've dug through our history (key events mostly) and have found that the same shady crap that goes on today went on then, I hope we could grow to earn a position of respect and desirability but I do not see it with out extremely drastic changes.



I just have to ask you, if it ever bothered you that you were killing people who had every right to defend themselves and their country? Doing that sort of duty is not illegal. It's just morally unjust. Wouldn't we hate a country that attacked us the way we did them? I can't blame them for hating the US for violating their sovereignties and plundering their resources.

exactly the reason I'm no longer active Army, I'm National Guard now in Alaska (I thought it would be more palatable until I found out that the National guard is just an extension of the federal "army" and is only a state asset in name and geographic location, very disappointing).



What will you do, TargeT when you're ordered to violate the homes of people in your state looking for guns that the Constitution guaranteed them? When you kick their doors down, will you think about how you've just violated several of their Constitutional rights? Those same rights that you're supposed to be protecting?

well as an Oathkeeper we not only reaffirm our oath to the constitution but add a bit onto it (see here: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/ )



Why aren't you active duty soldiers looking for ways to head into DC to arrest those known traitors there? If you're looking for terrorists, you don't have to look much farther than DC and New York where the UN building is. DC has everything from treachery to drugs to slaves and pedophilia. What are you guys waiting for? Doesn't the new NDAA cover them, too? The whole problem seems to be stemming from that 10mile by 10mile area that is not supposed to be part of the country, yet it controls it anyway....

arrest implies courts, courts are a part of the problem I don't see that happening with out serious and fundamental changes.....

[genevieve]

TargeT--

I discovered recently that my handy-dandy pocket-sized booklet on the Constitution did not accurately quote the original. You might want to do a comparison and see if the ones you have are accurate.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[GlassSteagallfan]

Following up on this morning's report that
the military is activating 'law enforcement
battalions'...

A 1961 U.S. State Department memorandum
has been discovered, which outlines the total
disarmament of the U.S. population.

The UN's Arms Trade Treaty wraps up
negotiations today, the treaty happens to
mirror the memorandum mentioned above.

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/11521.html

Goodman Green
- Brasscheck

The document that you mention is: Freedom From War, DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277, The United States Program
for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World, Released September 1961

Back to the thread: it will be NATO or foreign military that enforce compliance

[Maia Gabrial]

Thanks, TargeT.
I've calmed down now.....

[TargeT]

Thanks, TargeT.
I've calmed down now.....

I figured you were just a little worked up, you did leave some excelent ego bait in some of those posts though, haha I did exersize a little restraint in my responces (though it was easy, which suprised me; maybe I'm getting this ego monster under control) Thank you for the exersize in self control :)


TargeT--

I discovered recently that my handy-dandy pocket-sized booklet on the Constitution did not accurately quote the original. You might want to do a comparison and see if the ones you have are accurate.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

I'm checking mine against http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html which I hope is accurate.. so far so good ;)

[Maia Gabrial]

I still believe what I said, but I'm just calmer now. Round two will come up sooner or later.... :becky: