Secret Societies

[bogeyman]

There could be many purposes behind those that are members of so called secret societies. It is for the social status or something more fundemental? It may have something to do with concentrations of influence over mainstream governments, or a part of the organization of how this construction of power is maintained. There are some societies, who are working with much more sinister forces than governments or certain global companies.

There are many levels to governments. The government many see and know. Then there is the legitimate, and secret elements which maintains power and inner workings. There are layers which operated in the "black", whose very existence isnt acknowledged, yet still apart of the system of regulation to some degree, or at least has a power structure within the system. Then you have the core. Those that operated outside the system yet are in key positions to insert the necessary instructions in order to pull strings to "make it happen" according to their agenda. This agenda of course is some times for personal or collective reasons, and other times for the benefit of certain groups or individuals.

Secret societies have existed for thousands of years, in more recent years they have had many faces. Some are small committees within the intelligence services, who had so much concentrations of power as to become governments unto themselves. There are those in universities, who follow a set agenda to maintain certain principles and activities. There are those with power and influence which comes from many different areas of social, economical and political systems within certain countries, who have to some degree selfish agendas. But there are some who are dealing with something beyond the control of governments....these societies are the most dangerous of them all.

[spiritguide]

Are all secret societies working against human evolution or are they just a controlling influence? Would you include shaman societies in your explanation? Why are there secrets at all? Hopefully these questions can lead to constructive dialog on the subject.

:peace:

[bogeyman]

Due to the nature of the world and the corruption, secrecy is necessary to achieve many things. Not all societies are working for their own selfish interests. It is a complex and difficult world we live in, many of the things are not just black and white, events, trues etc., are twisted and manipulated. But there is good in the world. And it takes insight to define which is which.

I will say some are working parallel with negative forces, the deceiver is an existence in its own right and has its own agenda.

[Fred Steeves]

Just like anything else in this dimension of duality, secrecy is a double edged sword. Tell you what, knowing of things like the burning of the Library of Alexandria, and the ever ongoing worldwide mass murder of indigenous people and their knowledge, if I had in my possession ancient knowledge, I'd keep it close to my vest myself.

A tiny burning coal can be kept out of "sight" rather easily, but can also be easily released to reignite the old camp fire when the time is right.

You with me?

Just because something is secret, doesn't necessarily make it bad.

Cheers,
Fred

[bogeyman]

I fully understand what your saying Fred Steeves and yes secrecy doesnt itself make it bad or unjust, it is a double edged sword though. It can serve both masters.

[CD7]

Well perhaps if the water becomes to pure there will be no room for fishy secrets...:)

[David Trd1]

There are those we`ve never heard of........

I heard a qoute once the Masons for instance ''weren`t a secret society but a society with secrets'' as you will find a lodge(signed posted in many cases)in every major city and town in the west(and elsewhere).

And if it weren`t for such amazing intricate research by many scholars we wouldn`t know about such as thepriory de sion,templar offshoots and recently outed by david icke into the mainstream(sort of) ''The Fabians''.It leaves me thinking and pondering that which we haven`t seen......




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces




As pertinent now as it ever was.


Peace

[David Trd1]

Well perhaps if the water becomes to pure there will be no room for fishy secrets...:)

exactamundo!:kiss:

[Rambo45]

Secret societies are natural evolutions of human nature. We tend to congregate among similar like minded people and we also tend to have a desire for control so the ingredients are always there.

[noprophet]

My perspective on modern secret societies and how they developed (and why they're kind of a-holes sometimes).

Right now we are no longer dealing with secret societies in their natural state. Basically a secret society comes about by the formation of exotic beliefs. Lets say I live way in the past and decide the world must be round. I tell ten people, 4 berate me, 4 ignore me and 2 say "hmm... you might have something there". Well maybe me and one of those two work with it some more and say "wow, we really have something here." So we go and tell 100 people. 40% hate us for attacking some sociological association they have to a flat earth [like comfort in the feeling that there childhood enemy was rumored to have sailed off the side], 40% don't care because they're more interested in what that sheep is doing alone in the corner, and the 20% left maybe get it to varying degrees.

Now in an attempt to study our new found knowledge without the constant imposition of those who are egoically invested in prior paradigms and simply want to attack new ideas that would undermine personal understanding** we decide maybe we should stop trying to tell everyone about this since it only encourages 40% to rally against us continuously. Thus we have a small group of people who can study what amounts to a new "technology" and slowly pull those into the fold who also show signs of understanding and interest in the same.

**I believe this is where the general resentment of humanity is born within a lot of these groups.

Now fast-forward 100 years where the rest of the world is catching up, but because of our lengthy exposure to the development of this info, we suddenly have the upper hand in any form of investment and progress of the greater community. We're watching the world discover what we already know and because of that we have all sorts of control over its development through familiarity.

If you've ever played a competitive video game with someone for the first time, that they've been playing for years, then you will understand the function of this paradigm very well.

The most blatant example of this is circle based geometries used in building construction. You could say this knowledge of "sacred geometry" and its implications is what led groups like the Masons to the height of societal influence. In more modern times however it is things like free energy, anti-gravity, psychology, and even things like black-magic and possibly time-manipulation. All of which carry a tradition of resentment towards the general academic population due to it's inability to accept any change in the dogmas which support their certificates/qualifications/authority -- and hence their egos. (not all, but you know)

What I think we have now are societies built around knowledge (read technology) and also investment or the control and monetary-based use of such technology and/or ideas. Like most family-business it is passed through the generations.

[ivaray]

“In more modern times however it is things like free energy, anti-gravity, psychology, and even things like black-magic and possibly time-manipulation. All of which carry a tradition of resentment towards the general academic population due to it's inability to accept any change in the dogmas which support their certificates/qualifications/authority -- and hence their egos.”

Are you saying that the free energy, anti-gravity, psychology--perhaps you are referring to the mind-control topics (?), black-magic (whatever this term exactly means, I guess influencing someone’s will remotely or by various means of power, determinism?), and possible time manipulation are exotic beliefs and therefore, dogmas? It might be some true in your claims, but it seems to me that the “real” secret societies are those where often the elite’s institutional influence and power are unified, and they are on the mission not to allow for “knowledge”—like free energy or experimentation with gravitational aspects of quantum mechanics application--to be transparent and known to a larger population.
I do not agree that knowledge is equal to technology, not quite sure what exactly you mean by this. In short, I have a feeling that you are trying to say that all contemporary topics that are associated with a few decades old New Age topics lead to a social framework similar to secret societies—just because those theories or independent research or independent works are de-evaluated as conspiracy theories or “crank” theories. The academic “truths” and credentials are always strong—the institutions have money and social support to maintain the standards, I do not think that any of topics ranked as conspiracies or “crank” theories really challenge the true experts’ authority. In a matter of fact, often happens the opposite, that the “crank,” “fringe,” or conspiracy theories re-adjust the critical aspects of many of the experts and their “forever settled truths.” At the end I would say that today, there is a presence of the “populous ad hominem,” the argument in the media, promoted by many ideological political powers, that intellectualism is dogmatic, and spiritualism is better than the knowledge or a profound research, although both are important for any person to reach the zenith of truth. I, guess, as always the future acceptance or rejection of once work will make this final judgment about knowledge that is “immortal” or simply, “mortal”—dies with once ego.

[noprophet]

Are you saying that the free energy, anti-gravity, psychology--perhaps you are referring to the mind-control topics (?), black-magic (whatever this term exactly means, I guess influencing someone’s will remotely or by various means of power, determinism?)
Determinism is definitely in orbit of what I'm referring to. Action-at-a-distance, remote viewing, etc etc. These are all part of a greater understanding of interconnectivity that permeates the world and is the hallmark of many secret societies.



, and possible time manipulation are exotic beliefs and therefore, dogmas?

Not sure I understand what you mean in reference to these being dogmas.



It might be some true in your claims, but it seems to me that the “real” secret societies are those where often the elite’s institutional influence and power are unified, and they are on the mission not to allow for “knowledge”—like free energy or experimentation with gravitational aspects of quantum mechanics application--to be transparent and known to a larger population.

Absolutely, but the society had to form around the discovery of this knowledge in the first place. Under the terms above you could say the whole of the military-industrial is a secret society. Which is probably fairly true, no reason to nit-pick semantics.



I do not agree that knowledge is equal to technology, not quite sure what exactly you mean by this.

Not equal. Knowledge produces technology. Technology produces industry. Enter the secret societies based on preserving profits in said industry. Mind you I consider technology to be anything created.



In short, I have a feeling that you are trying to say that all contemporary topics that are associated with a few decades old New Age topics lead to a social framework similar to secret societies—just because those theories or independent research or independent works are de-evaluated as conspiracy theories or “crank” theories. The academic “truths” and credentials are always strong—the institutions have money and social support to maintain the standards, I do not think that any of topics ranked as conspiracies or “crank” theories really challenge the true experts’ authority.

I think you have my point though I disagree with your last statement. think anything to do with medical knowledge. There is definitely some tension between the alternative and traditional western medicine. Oh and of course things like the electric universe model.



In a matter of fact, often happens the opposite, that the “crank,” “fringe,” or conspiracy theories re-adjust the critical aspects of many of the experts and their “forever settled truths.”

As time and knowledge progress, certainly. The perspective on this depends on if your inside the turmoil looking out or outside the turmoil looking back.



At the end I would say that today, there is a presence of the “populous ad hominem,” the argument in the media, promoted by many ideological political powers, that intellectualism is dogmatic, and spiritualism is better than the knowledge or a profound research, although both are important for any person to reach the zenith of truth.

And when science proposes to art next to that peaceful sea I'll be that cat with ring on pillow shouting FINALLY! -AR



I, guess, as always the future acceptance or rejection of once work will make this final judgment about knowledge that is “immortal” or simply, “mortal”—dies with once ego.
So it is, has, and will be I suppose. Though some good knowledge is lost, I believe it all comes back around. :)

[ivaray]

OK, great, now I understand your point of view. Sorry, for my late read and response.