Preaching outside the choir

[Dennis Leahy]

Here at Avalon, we are surrounded by many unique people that (generally) have one thing in common: they are tired of being inside a box and are escaping or have escaped. They are learning hidden and esoteric knowledge as quickly as possible.

At Avalon, if you say, "psychotropic drugs are harmful to almost everyone", or "Aspartame and fluoride are neurotoxins" or "free energy devices exist, have been refined, and are being suppressed from the public", well, not many at Avalon will bat an eye. {yawn}

But say the same things to the general populace, and you won't get the same reaction (or non-reaction.)

So, we need to keep taking the message out from this community, and offering it to the general populace - that is, we need to if we want a lot of other people to embrace the truth and to expose the nefarious controllers. (Because nothing will ever change if the vast majority remain in the dark.)

A lot of people think Facebook is a waste of time, but I have seen powerful, truthful messages spread like wildfire (at times.) I'll keep using it until it has outlived its usefulness. It would be hard to believe that it is not useful for "sowing seeds of truth."

Besides the occasional one-on-one that we all get infrequently, what do you do to spread truth?

Here's one I just tried on Facebook:


Once upon a time, in a far-off land, moneylenders took over the government of the land. They also took over the communications network and handled all smoke signals in every village. They controlled the witch doctors, the medicine men, the priests, and the warriors too. They controlled everyone in authority positions. They controlled all trade, from coconuts to fish, from bananas to rice.

Still, the moneylenders were not satisfied.

The takeover was slow and steady. It took years. Like a frog in a simmering pot, the people from village to village never saw it coming - and did not even realize they had been taken over.

The moneylenders wanted more. More money, More control. More power.

They raised all exchange rates. The cost of food skyrocketed. They threw the vulnerable out of their huts, and sent smoke signals saying those people were lazy. The only jobs were serving the moneylenders and making weapons. The people and the warriors were told that neighboring tribes wanted them dead. The moneylenders sent the warriors off to kill the neighboring tribes.

The people grew fearful, and were glad their warriors had killed the others.

The moneylenders wanted more. More money, More control. More power.

They decided there were too many mouths to feed, and so they put poison in the water, poison in the sky, and sold poison to the farmers to put on the crops "for a better harvest." They told the villagers not to worry, that it was only a little bit of poison, that it was necessary, and that it would not harm the people. The people believed them.

The people became sicker and sicker. Sick with worry and fear, and sick with poisons and diseases. Some were becoming angry, but most had been dulled by the poisons and decided it was simply their fate. The moneylenders controlled all medicines and the villagers had to trade away all they had to try to save their families from the sicknesses. Many more lost everything and were thrown out of their huts to live out in the dirt and rain and insects.

Some of the angry villagers became even more angry, and shouted at the moneylenders. The moneylenders laughed.

The moneylenders told the angry villagers that it was the villagers fault, not the moneylenders. The moneylenders had picked out two loyal villagers that agreed to pretend to represent the people of the villages, and allowed the villagers to vote on either one they wanted. The village "representatives" pretended to listen to the people but kept their bargain with the moneylenders. Amazingly, almost all of the villagers fell for it. Even most of the angry villagers did nothing except yell at the moneylenders. The moneylenders laughed.

The end.

Dennis

[CD7]

Yes i know wht u mean...i am most of the time posting things tht NOONE else will post. I studied in the social sciences and find it really interesting to experience fb because u can see behaviors over a broad spectrum and also patterns tht people seem to replicate among each other. (sure i do it myself)

One very important thing Ive noticed is that RARELY if ever does anyone seem to post an expression through the heart--genuinely! If it is..its in reference to wht they're doing with friends, lovers, co-workers....

Another common thing is to post "posters" of sayings, quotes...all day long there are posts of what OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING. But i would really like to know what YOU THINK....

I know this may not seem a surprise to many here as its discussed about how the populace is asleep..etc etc etc. However it is interesting to see it all laid out, somewhat more obvious how much we have been conditioned to take Everything in and regurgitate it back out and Not to express Everything from the inside OUT....

Interesting subject thanks for bringing it up....i do say my rants and spiels regardless on fb...After a while EGO gets stamped out from ignoring it enough times. I really dont care.....it is WAY more important to GET IT OUT. I or anyone else has nothing to lose and ONLY the moment to come forward and BE yourself :)

[13th Warrior]

I post information on my facebook page but, it's hard to tell if anyone is paying attention since i don't receive any feedback?

I do have sales people stop by at work from time to time and they will most likely get an education they weren't expecting.

[spiritguide]

Dennis, A good story of future past! Thank you! You forgot the part where the villagers were told of the invisible dragon that was coming to save them but never materialized.

:peace:

[another bob]

what do you do to spread truth?

I entered a Catholic Seminary at 13, with the aim of becoming a priest and spreading "the truth". It took me awhile, but eventually I began questioning whether or not what I believed to be the truth, actually was. I then repeated this lesson a number of times subsequently, until finally coming to the realization that I was in no position to be spreading anything like "the truth". What an arrogant attitude I had been toting around!

Nevertheless, the same conditions still applied that inspired me in the first place: people are suffering. So, I began to inquire into this suffering, and I came to the recognition that much, if not all, of this suffering was based on wrong beliefs about the nature of our appearance here. Consequently, rather than trying to spread some idea of mine on what is "truth", I found it was more useful and skillful to simply suggest that folks question their preconceptions, that they inquire into beliefs that they may have accepted, and which now run them, without their actual direct knowledge or consent. That way, the door is opened for the truth to enter on its own, without me trying to superimpose my notions or experience.

[Dennis Leahy]

what do you do to spread truth?

I entered a Catholic Seminary at 13, with the aim of becoming a priest and spreading "the truth". It took me awhile, but eventually I began questioning whether or not what I believed to be the truth, actually was. I then repeated this lesson a number of times subsequently, until finally coming to the realization that I was in no position to be spreading anything like "the truth". What an arrogant attitude I had been toting around!

Nevertheless, the same conditions still applied that inspired me in the first place: people are suffering. So, I began to inquire into this suffering, and I came to the recognition that much, if not all, of this suffering was based on wrong beliefs about the nature of our appearance here. Consequently, rather than trying to spread some idea of mine on what is "truth", I found it was more useful and skillful to simply suggest that folks question their preconceptions, that they inquire into beliefs that they may have accepted, and which now run them, without their actual direct knowledge or consent. That way, the door is opened for the truth to enter on its own, without me trying to superimpose my notions or experience.
Awwww Bob, dammit! Of course, you're right, but...

It would be pretentious of me to try to do anything from that learned perspective, since it is not yet in my learned perspective. Or maybe another way to say it is that I intellectually understand that (black beans, anyone?), but that it does not ooze from the core of my being. I'm also not talking about "THEE TRUTH", (as if there was one), but rather opening people's sleepy eyes a bit to "the truth" that we need not live like this.

I guess I am stuck in the notion that humans do not need to trash the planet, poison all life forms, and live in physical poverty and fear - and that there is a form of "jail break" we need to make to get out from under those who control and orchestrate the destruction for their gain.

Getting out from under these nefarious beings in no way guarantees 'enlightenment' or the end of suffering - but it sure would be a nicer planet to visit. Maybe I'm being selfish, and un-evolved spiritually to want to share this planet with other life forms in harmony, for people to live without pervasive fear, and to share in abundance. Maybe all the lessons are learned under duress, and I am a cosmic fool for trying to get people to band together in mutual respect and compassion. It is honestly where I am in my current development.

Dennis

[Sierra]

This is a good place for us cosmic fools to unite. :)

[another bob]

Maybe I'm being selfish, and un-evolved spiritually to want to share this planet with other life forms in harmony, for people to live without pervasive fear, and to share in abundance. Maybe all the lessons are learned under duress, and I am a cosmic fool for trying to get people to band together in mutual respect and compassion. It is honestly where I am in my current development.

LOL Dennis!

What's certainly important is that you are true to your deepest longing, following your heart, and throwing yourself completely into the process. In the meantime, of course, it doesn't hurt to inquire. For example, there are all sorts of ideas about what's best for the planet. Some believe that if everybody submitted to Allah, the world would be a spiffy place. Then there are those who believe that submitting to Allah is a big mistake, and should be resisted, because Allah is just a big Archon in disguise. Others believe that Capitalism and Democracy will solve the planet's problems, whereas others believe it is only through socialism that we will ever reduce inequities. What we do have is a lot of conflicting belief systems, which obviously are not solving any problems, and in retrospect, has any belief system ever really solved a single personal or social problem?

Now, what if the world was not a fixed "place" that had to be "saved" from its inhabitants, but more like a virtual reality stage, a subjective creation filled with all sorts of props for us to utilize in a game of exploration into what we are really made of? What if it has existed far longer than we could ever comprehend, and we keep coming here to partake in this 3-D human experience so that Source can enjoy the infinite variations of Itself in the infinite variety of experiences available in this density, all for the joy of the play, and yet all of the same exact nature as the dreams we dream at night?

Well, that may all be just another belief. That's why I suggest it's useful to question, although there is a way to have direct knowledge, beyond mere belief and speculation. That way is to commune directly with one's Higher Self/Source, and so if I was to make any suggestion, it would be to examine that avenue, and then draw your inspiration from such communion on how best to make use of your time in this game.

:yo:

[RUSirius]

In my experiences limited as they may be, telling people things does not work. Even for me, someone can tell me something like "dont hit your hand with that hammer" but until I hit my hand with the hammer, I wont learn. No one turned me on to my path but me and the synchronizations of this life, it was my own desire. There are exceptions to every rule, whoever defines the rules, and its not that people wont "believe" the things I say, they dont ever care to know, and if they do, there life is not changed or impacted, usually

[noxon medem]

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- "what do you do to spread truth?"

Maybe the question just as well could be:
- What do you not do (or focus on) ?

So, to that one, a possible start could be:
- Not to spread (a known) lie .


Often you will know it from what it is not

But probably we will bump up against
all subjective will and views ( reality )

Be (a) well

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[Cidersomerset]

So, we need to keep taking the message out from this community, and offering it to the general populace - that is, we need to if we want a lot of other people to embrace the truth and to expose the nefarious controllers. (Because nothing will ever change if the vast majority remain in the dark.)

I agree Dennis, I find it frustrating trying to explain any of the various subjects we discuss to people who are not aware of the bigger world outside of Family,work & friends which
does cover at least 90% of most populations all over the world imo. The banking and political scandels over here have alerted many to the schemes of the wealthy and corporates,
but as the old saying goes over here.... 'Todays news is yesterdays fish & chips wrapping' and the modern equivalent still applies.I have found that most threads posted mine
included are different takes on the same subjects but I try to aim them towards any body looking in for the first time, So sometimes i post as if it is the firtst time i have commented
or posted something to try and make it fresh.....Though its getting harder on some subjects..LOL..

In work as I have said before there are three Avalonians working there Ecnal61, WinstonSmith & myselfe, though due to other commitments they are not able to get on as much as they would
like, but we are able to compare notes, which helps..There are about 110 people in our sorting office and a lot of banter goes on...I tried to point out the difference with chemtrails and
contrails when i first noticed them three years ago. Only a handfull acknowledged the obvious diffence to me between a contrail that last a minute or so andChemtrail that stays and disperses
over hours into a milky/whispy cloudy sky. Most rolled their eyes or laughed , which i can shrug off thru experiance and rarely get anoyed with there stupid comments...

We have tried 9/11, 7/7,Roswell , Kennedy, False flags and many more usually to somewise cracker making silly noises or remarks ...Which does not bother me as I have always been involved
with sports , Carnival & pub culture and the male 'p---take' has always been part of my social life growing up and now among my mates..
I have noticed more people are interrested in parts, but inevitably if they ask me a question, my answer tends to broaden into another aspect of the field as one thing is connected to another
which is obvious to me because I've read about it, but is usually a step to far for the questioner and the conversation is unable to go much further...

It is frustrating and i have reached one of those momments now, with certain parts of the field and numerous speculations, but I'll soon get over it ..LOL..

Cheers Steve...

[Poly Hedra]

This is a subject I think about a lot too. I hav spent a lot of time agonizing over whether my truth is worth listening to. I have been told by my best friend that I had a kind of secret life because I would spend an evening reading and watching videos. When my friends turned up I would put on some music. I worried about what they might think. One day I was asked about the stuff I read about and I decided to show them a 3 hour video from David Wilcock. Yhe quantum physics one (forget the name). It literally blew their minds. They were amazed and could not digest it really. But I was glad they saw it. I used to tell people in a preachy way without realising it. Nobody likes to be preached too. :) Now I throw in little tid bits every now again again to get people questioning things dropping facts. My boyfriend askes me about things quite often. I get a bit frustrated that he wont do the research himself. I tell him before I say something that it is only my opinion and what information I've come across. It may be bollox but listen anyway. Do with it what you will. ')

[CD7]

In my experiences limited as they may be, telling people things does not work. Even for me, someone can tell me something like "dont hit your hand with that hammer" but until I hit my hand with the hammer, I wont learn. No one turned me on to my path but me and the synchronizations of this life, it was my own desire. There are exceptions to every rule, whoever defines the rules, and its not that people wont "believe" the things I say, they dont ever care to know, and if they do, there life is not changed or impacted, usually

Who cares what anyone thinks? It would be you expressing YOU..it doesnt matter what anyone gleams from it...expectations of what others want you to be or think what rule you should go by, i suppose is wht keeps expressions stifled...

[WhiteFeather]

Great Vehicle to use Dennis, as i have often tried with Fakebook with certain holistic cures for diseases, illness etc.. Excuse me for the misspelling of this CIA operative known as Facebook. Anyways its not a bad idea to get the message out to the sheeple and dumbed down ones, i do agree. Some of your FakeBook friends just might think your a lil weird is all. But for myself i have thick skin, and always have. Persistence and hard work in any vehicle that you choose, may eventually prosper dividends in this topic of outside the box persuasion. . I love the way your thinking, please keep thinking this way. Wanishi...and Great Post! : )

PS And A Great Story, sounds like non fiction to me...if you will.

PSS You left out the vaccines in this non fiction short story. Please add it to the story, when you get a chance.

[crested-duck]

I don't remember who it was that said:" Eventually the fool that persists in his folley becomes wise also!".............Preaching/teaching to anyone without eyes to see and ears to hear the message is usually a waste of ones effort and a act of futility.

[CD7]

Oh i guess ive misunderstood this whole thread...i didnt realize we were teaching how to preach....................my bad

[Poly Hedra]

I think preaching is about beliefs and teaching is about facts. In my opinion :)

[Dennis Leahy]

I sometimes forget this is an international forum, and use American-isms in speech. This one is a reverse-variant of "preaching to the choir." In this metaphorical case, then, there is no "choir" and no one is "preaching." If 'preaching to the choir' means giving information to people who already know the information, or sharing one's beliefs with others that already share the same beliefs, then "Preaching outside the choir" is an attempt to say that the message is being delivered to people who are as yet unaware of the message, or who currently do not espouse the same belief.

As conec says, nobody likes to be preached to. You can pretty well guarantee the audience will recoil from being preached to. Same goes for an audience that is not interested in learning what we have to teach.

For native English speakers, listen to the later works (especially) of comedian/satirist George Carlin. Think he opened a few minds? I think so. What a skill he honed.

In fact, gripreaper reminded me again about the power of humor in getting a point across. Humor seeps into the tiniest cracks, and can crumble old mindsets without feeling preachy or teachy. (Is "teachy" a word?) There is very little defense for humor.

It reminds me that I tried using "Xtranormal" online animation software in the previous (2010) election cycle to express the view that US voting machines were capable of vote tampering and fraudulent election results. (Text-to-speech synthesis was pretty bad, but here was the result: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7535991/flipping-the-vote ) Not a very good example of humor, but the point was to interject the reality (new to some people) that voting machines could be rigged - and it was up to them to decide if they wanted to look into it further.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

Yes i know wht u mean...i am most of the time posting things tht NOONE else will post. I studied in the social sciences and find it really interesting to experience fb because u can see behaviors over a broad spectrum and also patterns tht people seem to replicate among each other. (sure i do it myself)

One very important thing Ive noticed is that RARELY if ever does anyone seem to post an expression through the heart--genuinely! If it is..its in reference to wht they're doing with friends, lovers, co-workers....

Another common thing is to post "posters" of sayings, quotes...all day long there are posts of what OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING. But i would really like to know what YOU THINK....

I know this may not seem a surprise to many here as its discussed about how the populace is asleep..etc etc etc. However it is interesting to see it all laid out, somewhat more obvious how much we have been conditioned to take Everything in and regurgitate it back out and Not to express Everything from the inside OUT....

Interesting subject thanks for bringing it up....i do say my rants and spiels regardless on fb...After a while EGO gets stamped out from ignoring it enough times. I really dont care.....it is WAY more important to GET IT OUT. I or anyone else has nothing to lose and ONLY the moment to come forward and BE yourself :)I think maybe half of the people I'm connected to on Facebook are aware of many of the topics I post, and about half are either silent or are people who appear deeply locked in the matrix. (I say that knowing "the matrix" is a many-layered onion skin and I have not completely escaped yet either.) Occasionally, I have gotten blasted - hard - by people I thought of as friends. I think this comes from putting out diverse info, and some they may agree with (or be moved by), and some hits a trigger mechanism in their psyche.

Yeah, way too many tired signs/posters on Facebook, but what the hell, it may help some people break through - especially if the author of the thought is someone they are impressed by. I rarely re-post posters, but I have tried making a few. Here's one I made that is pro-organic food:

http://7thsensemultimedia.com/Imagez/ChooseWisely1.jpg

Dennis

[mosquito]

I've been giving Avalon a rest recently, and (once again) debating whether to leave permanently. I decided to have a quick look today, prior to my holiday next week, and this is the first thread I opened.

Regardless of all the crap that gets chucked around on this forum, it is such a delight to come here and read the musings of people like Dennis and Bob, and I think maybe this isn't such a bad place after all !

Thank you - it's nice to know that there really are some genuine people around, wishing you and everyone well, a thoroughly world-weary Philip

[CdnSirian]

In my experiences limited as they may be, telling people things does not work. Even for me, someone can tell me something like "dont hit your hand with that hammer" but until I hit my hand with the hammer, I wont learn. No one turned me on to my path but me and the synchronizations of this life, it was my own desire. There are exceptions to every rule, whoever defines the rules, and its not that people wont "believe" the things I say, they dont ever care to know, and if they do, there life is not changed or impacted, usually

My experience too....

[Fred Steeves]

Like an iceberg, our voices and our actions are just the tip of what's really going on below the surface. Every second of our lives we are emitting an energy signal out to the universe. This is where the "Big Show" is taking place, that so many onlookers are observing with great interest.

Once we learn to zero in on our true Intent, this broadcasts out to all stretches of the Aether. I think that many so called spontaneous awakenings, my own included, are in all actuality not really that spontaneous. They are the result of becoming entangled with this highly focused intent from lightworkers around the globe, who have been selflessly blazing the path for us, long before truthseeking became trendy and cool.

It's much easier for us newbies to join in belting out this psychic song of awakening and awareness to all of Creation, as we edge ever closer to the 100th monkey.