Everything is Consciousness.

[Tony]

Everything is Consciousness.


Everything is created by our consciousness.
Without our consciousness nothing would be created.
The nature of everything is illusory.
Therefore our consciousness creates illusions.
Our consciousness is ignorant of it's true nature.
Therefore this universe was created by our ignorance.

“But it's such fun!”
It's because we think it is such fun, that we will not let go,
because we still think it's real.
So we create and maintain this illusory state.
“It's not fun all the time.”

When we know it is an illusion, we will let go.
That's when the real fun starts!
“Knowing that a film is not real is part of the fun!”


This is how we think now.
Flower <<<<<< Consciousness<<<<<Essence.


Because we get caught up and believe everything to be real in our consciousness
we do not notice Essence.
This is because of consciousness clinging to ideas and goes no further...this is ego clinging!
We think the Consciousness is ME!
There are even those who think their things are them!


An inferior mind talks of things.
A middling mind talks of ideas.
A superior mind talks of essence.

Pure essence is the only real reality
it goes unnoticed,
and it's here all the time.
This is how it is.
Flower<<<<<<Consciousness<<<<< Essence.






All the best,
Tony

[Tony]

Everything is Consciousness.
Without your Consciousness no thing would be known, or created! Consciousness is perception, through the five senses. Once we perceive something it goes to our memory bank, and from there we make judgments. This is our normal sentient behaviour.

Although we are aware of things outside our bodies, we only know of them in our minds ...consciousness! Interestingly, by the time we acknowledge something in our minds, the thing acknowledged has changed... got older! Whatever is perceived as now, is actually in the past,
but we do not notice that.

The world we live in seems to be engaged in keeping us looking outwards. This is one huge distraction, unless one realises our true nature, we will keep running around in the funny farm! Consciousness is the middle man, the 'wheeler dealer.' It gets attracted to anything that enhances it's status, so it's a sucker for being manipulated.

If our consciousness is kept busy, or distracted, we will rarely notice consciousness itself. “Oh! Look at this. Hmm, I don't like that!” When that happens we are not in control...we are being controlled by external events and our own consciousness. This is our everyday prison.

People are controlled by ideas, seemingly good ideas, even beautiful ideas. When consciousness believes everything it sees and hears as being real, consciousness is then lost in a confused state of a dream world.

Consciousness creates everything, “How wonderful, how interesting!” you might say “It makes life worth living!” Creating or creation from a spiritual point of view is a distraction, though it can be a useful vehicle.

The problem is, “It makes life interesting!” , we keep getting attracted...or distracted one might say. If we could only see that we are living in two worlds at the same time. One is a temporary world of creations, the other is being in Pure Light.

Consciousness is Ignorance, it is ignorant of it's true nature. So it continually creates to feel it exists. We are here through ignorance.

In being aware of consciousness we can discover who or what we are. We are not consciousness, we have consciousness. Where are we? We are beyond consciousness we are Pure Essence. Consciousness can realise it's source.

To an ordinary person, life is just ups and downs, we accept it.
To a spiritual seeker, these ups and downs are suffering, we do not accept it.
To a knower, life is just ups and downs, we neither accept or reject it.

So what do I get out of all these words?
You get to Know Essence beyond the turmoil of consciousness!
Knowing Essence, is Knowing Love.

Love is the activity of engaging with others for their benefit...you are no longer needed!

All the best,
Tony

[bogeyman]

I did hear that a scientific experiment discovered that an electron in matter, moved when someone looked at an object, like the object knew you were looking at it.

[Finefeather]

Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Finefeather

You need to explain that, Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind. please explain.

regards

roman

[Finefeather]

Hi Finefeather

You need to explain that, Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind. please explain.

regards

roman

To truly understand this you first of all need to recognise the theory of creation as can be found in esoteric literature and also, somewhat hidden in the bible and the Gnostic writings.
It states that 2 conditions existed prior to the birth of the cosmos, of which we can only but speculate about, with our little minds, the one being, what is sometimes termed, the void, and the other called mind or intelligence. In the bible this mind has been called the breath of god (the word). In other words 2 things are required to create something, nothing can be tangible or detectable unless there is 2 ingredients, energy and something in which this energy can exist in or manifest in.
Now no matter how hard we try to disprove this we always end up with the same fact. Something (the breath, the mind, energy) was introduced into the void (empty space) and life and all that exists was created. Whoever is the energy is then theoretically what some might call THE God or THE creator.
This fact is slowly been proved by quantum physics, in that everything that exists is energy and that there really is no Archetypal or God particle, only energy at different rates of vibration.
This first condition is the source of what is known as the great duality and since nothing existed prior to the manifestation of the energy, consciousness was non existent because consciousness is the response to an external object or thought.
ONLY after creation took place, and only from that moment in time, was there something to be conscious or aware of.
So we can say that God created consciousness/awareness by manifesting energy into empty space, with different frequencies, and created the illusion we term material objects. Of course this is a gross simplification of the complex creation that took place and we can only but marvel in awe at its beauty.
From these three aspects, the term 'The Trinity' is the result.
The Father, The Son........, The Holy Ghost.
Father......, Son.............., Mother.
Will.........., Love-Wisdom.., Active Intelligence.
Spirit........, Consciousness, Matter.

[another bob]

Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.


Mind cannot be used to grasp mind.

Still, for the sake of this excercise, here is another view:

Mind is thought-energy, limitlessly potent.

Awareness is mind without objects.

Consciousness is mind with objects.

Matter is the dense outer layer of consciousness,
the end result of a series of energy interactions
occuring in unseen dimensions.

This interdependently originating continuum of energy
creates and sustains the entire multidimensional multiverse.

The Void is the home to all.

[Healthy Skeptic]

I did hear that a scientific experiment discovered that an electron in matter, moved when someone looked at an object, like the object knew you were looking at it.

This might be what you were thinking about. VERY INTERESTING!!

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[Maunagarjana]

I would put it like this: The ground of all being is consciousness, on a cosmic level. All our individual minds are but stepped-down, fragmented and filtered versions of that primordial consciousness to which we will all eventually "return" (yet we never left.) Everything is alive. I don't know how to put it any simpler.

[Tony]

Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.

It all depends on what one means by consciousness.
Consciousness could be said to be the result of the previous moment of consciousness.
Consciousness itself is ignorant of it's true nature, so consciousness is just the continuity of ignorance.
This is how we exist in our present state of confusion,
so we go on and on and on.........!?

If we can step out of this consciousness merry go round we might find sanity!


Tony

[Sebastion]

Hi Tony:

Up until the last 24-48 hours I would pretty much agree with your statement(s). But after pondering deeply for a time something has occurred to me that I have never considered before....until now.

It seems to me that this entire set up is essentially an energy game; it's all energy doing it's thing one way or another. The question I have been pondering is simply this: Who makes up the rules? For real-WHO MAKES THE RULES FOR YOU?

I am speaking personally here, not for the world at large. I have my own satisfactory answer. I would be interested in your considered response, especially in light of what you have already stated.






Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.

It all depends on what one means by consciousness.
Consciousness could be said to be the result of the previous moment of consciousness.
Consciousness itself is ignorant of it's true nature, so consciousness is just the continuity of ignorance.
This is how we exist in our present state of confusion,
so we go on and on and on.........!?

If we can step out of this consciousness merry go round we might find sanity!


Tony

[Finefeather]

Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.

It all depends on what one means by consciousness.
Consciousness could be said to be the result of the previous moment of consciousness.
Consciousness itself is ignorant of it's true nature, so consciousness is just the continuity of ignorance.
This is how we exist in our present state of confusion,
so we go on and on and on.........!?

If we can step out of this consciousness merry go round we might find sanity!

Tony

Hi Tony, hope you are feeling well today..

I think I get what you are saying.....
that it is our being conscious, and that the ignorance and confusion we find ourselves in could be solved, if we can be unconscious or can step outside of consciousness?
The great question I would ask is what is the alternative to consciousness while we are incarnated, if there is one?
OF course we could just knock ourselves out that would solve it for a while. :)
Then what?

Regards
Ray

[another bob]

that it is our being conscious, and that the ignorance and confusion we find ourselves in could be solved, if we can be unconscious or can step outside of consciousness?
The great question I would ask is what is the alternative to consciousness while we are incarnated, if there is one?
OF course we could just knock ourselves out that would solve it for a while. :)
Then what?

Who is there to be conscious of unconsciousness? Unconsciousness is not experienceable.

"As long as one is conscious, there will be pain and pleasure. You cannot fight pain and pleasure on the level of consciousness. To go beyond them, you must go beyond consciousness, which is possible only when you look at consciousness as something that happens to you, and not in you, as something external, alien, superimposed. Then, suddenly you are free of consciousness, really alone, with nothing to intrude. And that is your true state. Consciousness is an itching rash that makes you scratch. Of course, you cannot step out of consciousness, for the very stepping out is in consciousness. But if you learn to look at your consciousness as a sort of fever, personal and private, in which you are enclosed like a chick in its shell, out of this very attitude will come the crisis which will break the shell."

~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

[Finefeather]

that it is our being conscious, and that the ignorance and confusion we find ourselves in could be solved, if we can be unconscious or can step outside of consciousness?
The great question I would ask is what is the alternative to consciousness while we are incarnated, if there is one?
OF course we could just knock ourselves out that would solve it for a while. :)
Then what?
Who is there to be conscious of unconsciousness? Unconsciousness is not experienceable.

"As long as one is conscious, there will be pain and pleasure. You cannot fight pain and pleasure on the level of consciousness. To go beyond them, you must go beyond consciousness, which is possible only when you look at consciousness as something that happens to you, and not in you, as something external, alien, superimposed. Then, suddenly you are free of consciousness, really alone, with nothing to intrude. And that is your true state. Consciousness is an itching rash that makes you scratch. Of course, you cannot step out of consciousness, for the very stepping out is in consciousness. But if you learn to look at your consciousness as a sort of fever, personal and private, in which you are enclosed like a chick in its shell, out of this very attitude will come the crisis which will break the shell."

~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Excellent post Bob! Thanks
It is like the old saying, "Keep your feet on the ground and your head in the clouds."
We all need to go through the trials and tribulations of life, some are more painful than others, but in the end there is a reason........ and, dare I say reward?
The 'head in the cloud' analogy is saying that we need to be aware of the fact that what we are doing in life has a bigger purpose, so endure to the end.

[Tony]

Hi Tony:

Up until the last 24-48 hours I would pretty much agree with your statement(s). But after pondering deeply for a time something has occurred to me that I have never considered before....until now.

It seems to me that this entire set up is essentially an energy game; it's all energy doing it's thing one way or another. The question I have been pondering is simply this: Who makes up the rules? For real-WHO MAKES THE RULES FOR YOU?

I am speaking personally here, not for the world at large. I have my own satisfactory answer. I would be interested in your considered response, especially in light of what you have already stated.






Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.

It all depends on what one means by consciousness.
Consciousness could be said to be the result of the previous moment of consciousness.
Consciousness itself is ignorant of it's true nature, so consciousness is just the continuity of ignorance.
This is how we exist in our present state of confusion,
so we go on and on and on.........!?

If we can step out of this consciousness merry go round we might find sanity!


Tony

Hello Sebastion,
Sorry for any delay in replying I'm away from home and internet connections are not easy to find.

My own ignorance makes all the rules up for me, and that is why I'm here in this illusory reality. Even though we 'know' something, our energy can still be coarse, due to lack of capacity and some heavy karma. You are right, everything is energy. It is either fine energy or coarse energy. Coarse energy is used to create and maintain this physical universe we live in. Finer energy is for meditation and refinements of subtle inner energies.

This physical universe may be beautiful, but it is still a beautiful prison from essences point of view.

Q, Who makes the rules?....We do!
Q. Who maintain this beautiful illusion? ...We do, and hold on for dear life!

It's a choice between a limited existence and unlimited 'being'.

We are Pure Light or Energy or Knowing. Because it is Pure, no thing can surpass it.


Kind regards,
Tony

[Tony]

Consciousness responds to external objects or thoughts.
Consciousness cannot exist without matter and mind.
Consciousness expands as a result of the ever increasing awareness of the observer.
So Consciousness does not create anything, it is an effect not a cause.

It all depends on what one means by consciousness.
Consciousness could be said to be the result of the previous moment of consciousness.
Consciousness itself is ignorant of it's true nature, so consciousness is just the continuity of ignorance.
This is how we exist in our present state of confusion,
so we go on and on and on.........!?

If we can step out of this consciousness merry go round we might find sanity!

Tony

Hi Tony, hope you are feeling well today..

I think I get what you are saying.....
that it is our being conscious, and that the ignorance and confusion we find ourselves in could be solved, if we can be unconscious or can step outside of consciousness?
The great question I would ask is what is the alternative to consciousness while we are incarnated, if there is one?
OF course we could just knock ourselves out that would solve it for a while. :)
Then what?

Regards
Ray

Dear Ray,
Great question!

I'll have to hang my colours to the mast here, and reply from a Tibetan buddhist point of view, and that in the Nyingma traditions. There is a long answer and a short answer.
If we see consciousness a our awareness, this awareness is aware of things going on in and outside the body, it is also aware of what is going on in the mind...thoughts and emotions. This is what we are usually caught up in.

In the stillness of meditation, if this awareness becomes aware of the awareness, it will find nothing there, just pure awareness...it is Empty of any fabrications.
That Pure Awareness is Essence, it is Empty and is Knowing. That's it!.....there you are!

It is so simple it's unbelievable! It's unshakeable! It been there all the time! The problem is it's too simple, and gets missed all the time!

Q What is unconsciousness? That is probably our unnoticed habitual patterning, our attitude that we hardly notice.


Kind regards
Tony

[another bob]

if this awareness becomes aware of the awareness, it will find nothing there, just pure awareness...it is Empty of any fabrications.
That Pure Awareness is Essence, it is Empty and is Knowing. That's it!.....there you are!


"The effortless and sky-like nature of the mind,
The vast expanse of insight,
Is the natural state of things.

In it, whatever you do is all right,
However you rest, you are at ease.

This was said by Jetsun Padmasambhava
and the great siddha Saraha.

All the conceptual designs,
Such as " it's two " or " it's not two"
Leave them like the waves on a river,
To be spontaneously freed in themselves.

The great demon of ignorant and discursive thought
Causes one to sink in the ocean of samsara.

But when freed from this discursive thought,
There is the indescribable state, beyond conceptual mind.

Besides mere discursive thoughts,
There are not even the words samsara and nirvana.

The total calming down of discursive thought
Is the suchness of dharmadhatu.

Not made by complex statements,
This unfabricated single bindu
Is emptiness, the natural state of mind.

So it was said by Sugata, Buddha himself.

The essence of whatever may appear,
When simply left to itself,
Is the unfabricated and uncorrupted view,
The dharmakaya, emptiness mother.

All discursive thought is emptiness,
And the seer of the emptiness of discursive thought,
And discursive thought does not block emptiness."

~ Nyoshul Khenpo Rinpoche



" All you practitioners, male and female, who wish to realize the faultless and correct point of view, should let your mind rest fully awake in a state of unfabricated emptiness. When your mind is quiet, then rest in that quietness without trying to fabricate anything. When it doesn't think, then rest in that non-thinking. In short, no matter what takes place, let your mind rest without fabricating anything. Don't try to correct, suppress or cultivate anything. Don't try to place your mind inwardly. Don't search for an object to meditate upon outwardly. Rest in the meditator, mind itself, without fabricating anything. One doesn't find one's mind by searching for it. The mind itself is empty from the beginning. You don't need to search for it. It is the searcher himself. Rest undistractedly in the searcher himself. 'Have I now grasped that which should be observed?' 'is this the right way or not? Is this it or not?' No matter what takes place rest in the thinker himself without fabricating anything. No matter what kind of thoughts occur, excellent or terrible, good or bad, joyful or sorrowful, don't accept or reject, but rest in the thinker himself without fabricating
anything."

~ Paltrul Rinpoche
from " Self-Liberated Mind"


:yo:

[21CC]

Having learned English as a second language to my first acquiesed one, I instinctively go to base to try to comprehend and communicate to the best of my ability. Breaking down the key word of this thread, this came to mind: con=with and science=science. And, that makes sense to me in the context of this conversation! :o

[Chester]

wow - I barely escaped with my sanity from the Horus-Ra thread but something, somewhere must be on my side as I strangely get steered to a thread with "essencial" conversation! whew!

Thanks for letting me read and say, Thanks!

Hi NancyV, another bob, Finefeather and pie'n'eal

[Tony]

wow - I barely escaped with my sanity from the Horus-Ra thread but something, somewhere must be on my side as I strangely get steered to a thread with "essencial" conversation! whew!

Thanks for letting me read and say, Thanks!

Hi NancyV, another bob, Finefeather and pie'n'eal


What is good about working together, even though we may not agree on ever topic, is that it can trigger deeper knowledge and understanding within our minds.
This is a rare place.



Tony