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Tony
2nd August 2012, 09:52
The Way of the Bodhisattva.
There comes a time in spiritual practice when we might say, “What do I do now?”
We have sort of woken up to the possibility to our divine nature, and wonder,
“Do I keep doing what I'm doing, or...what?” Much depends on the individual, and how we naturally relate to ourself and others.

The word path can mean personal discovery, and it can mean joining those who feel the same way, something more formalised with techniques. Some people's personal goal is to become enlightened, and work to that end, and that's it. Others may work towards enlightenment and then come back to help others. Yet others make a promise to work with sentient beings on the way to enlightenment. This is the way of the
Bodhisattva. These are just a personal choice and are all valid.

Our problem arises when we mix paths, we have to know our temperament and how we work. There is much spiritual confusion when we think we are all the same!

The Way of the Bodhisattva.

Before committing ourselves to the Bodhisattva path (the spacious path) we must first walk along the narrow path (the discipline of lineage, teachings and community). We expose ourselves to the teacher, accept the teachings and humbly share our confusion with fellow sentient beings.

We then give up everything that supports our ego clinging, and work with our aloneness. In taking the bodhisattva vow (to work for the benefit of all sentient beings) we acknowledge our awakened state, even though we still have doubt and problems arise.

There are ten levels of a Bodhisattva, the tenth being Enlightenment. They are like stepping stones. We acknowledge confusion, frustration and all the negative and positive reactions of being sentient, and are willing to share our mutual confusion.

We are willing to step into on-man's land, we give up 'normal' life and the wish for enlightenment, to work with sentient beings. There no longer any fear, we make friends with ourselves and others. There are no mysterious dark corners, a Bodhisattva is confident, and can use intelligence to serve others, but are not doormats. Well, they are, but your shoes will now be shiny and that could cause you some discomfort!

This is not something you aim for. It is something you find you are already doing, in some way. There are subtle shifts in attitude which seems to naturally happen.

The bodhisattva does not act in order to get something in return. Their response could be gentle and warm, or sharp giving what is needed rather than something that pleases. A Bodhisattva works with another's mind but does not go beyond their own understanding. They regard themselves as students rather than teachers.

Here you are not a nuisance to yourself: you are good company, and you inspire yourself. You don't have to control yourself to avoid temptations.
Guidelines and rules are less relevant because you naturally follow an appropriate pattern.

A Bodhisattva delights in working with people. They are not concerned with converting anyone, but allows them to evolve, according to their nature. It requires tremendous discipline to avoid attempting to convert others. A Bodhisattva is not frivolous and doesn't doodle to entertain themselves. They are not concerned with psychic phenomena or other worlds – of angels or demons – to do so would be to lose track of the physical world in which we live, that would result in madness. A Bodhisattva is only interested in sanity and directly relates to earth: everything else is a side track.

The Bodhisattva don't desire to become a Buddha, but works with sentient beings confusion. There is no territory that is yours or others, as everyone is in no-man's land. Not seeking enlightenment for ego's benefit, your space becomes public space - common ground.

A Bodhisattva has great power because nothing can shake them: their actions are calm, deliberate and persevering. However, they are not inhibited by “idiot compassion” and are not afraid to subjugate what needs to be subjugated, and destroy what needs to be destroyed. Because of spaciousness, there is no sense of waiting: they just sit patiently. They do not complain in a conventional sense, but relate to others by point ing out discrepancies and neuroses. Unless we surrender to the process of treading a path, it is not possible to be patient in this way.

Bodhisattvas take delight in working hard with whatever material presents itself: our state of mind, our traditions, our society. It is not taking sides for or against these things, but taking delight in them and working with them. It is too simple-minded to abandon traditional morality as being old-fashioned. Many of the young reject tradition as they see no truth in it at all. We denounce our government, our schools, the church, hospitals, politicians, teachers, the media...but their ground may be uncertain so they will pick only what is meaningful to them and reject the rest.

This is spaciousness, with no centre or circumference. There is nothing to get hold of, as one part of space is the same as any other part of space, and therefore everything is simplified into one situation. There is no need to hold it all together.

Wisdom cuts through subtle attitudes, cutting through virtue or manipulation or fixed concepts. Cutting through is its main attribute. In earlier levels, one's action had a sense of piety about them – a sense of gratification, of acknowledging that one's practice has fulfilled its function. A very subtle expectation was present. But now, the development of skilful means signifies fully stepping out of spiritual materialism: an absence of 'me' and 'that'. The point of reference is not ourselves, but is totally focused on sentient beings, dealing with the world on a cosmic scale.


All the best,
Tony

Fred Steeves
4th August 2012, 11:05
So Tony, here's a question for you dear sir. I like the saying "to question is the answer". If this is true, which I think it is, would someone who is not destined to be a Bodhisattva this go around, even think to ask the question "do I want to be a Bodhisattva?"

And a follow up question if you will: If someone decides they want to be one, does that mean that they already are? But they just haven't gone through the motions yet? Sort of like a boy stating he wants to be a man, and the answer being you already are, you just simply need to grow up first.

Thanks,
Fred

Tony
4th August 2012, 11:29
So Tony, here's a question for you dear sir. I like the saying "to question is the answer". If this is true, which I think it is, would someone who is not destined to be a Bodhisattva this go around, even think to ask the question "do I want to be a Bodhisattva?"

And a follow up question if you will: If someone decides they want to be one, does that mean that they already are? But they just haven't gone through the motions yet? Sort of like a boy stating he wants to be a man, and the answer being you already are, you just simply need to grow up first.

Thanks,
Fred


So Tony, here's a question for you dear sir. I like the saying "to question is the answer". If this is true, which I think it is, would someone who is not destined to be a Bodhisattva this go around, even think to ask the question "do I want to be a Bodhisattva?"

And a follow up question if you will: If someone decides they want to be one, does that mean that they already are? But they just haven't gone through the motions yet?

Thanks,
Fred

Morning Fred,

Many people take or go through the motions of taking the Bodhisattva Vow. Many people wish to help others, whether that follows through to action is up to them.
When I first took the vow, I looked and found that I didn't particularly like people!.... 'orrible smelly smug lot!

What seems to happen, this good wish sows a seed, which takes time to germinate. In deciding to be a Bodhisattva show one has that intention for growth.
The question is, "What to I do, now?" This has to be a personal matter, and will depend on one's capacity, strength, commitment and understanding.
We are all bodhisattvas of some sort!

Personally I found that I cannot stand people suffering, even though they are the perpetrators of this suffering!
And more importantly (and this in very personal just between you and me!) I have been given an unexpected gift and made a promise to use it.

To our surprise we are that which we seek!


All the best,
Tony

Tony
5th August 2012, 11:22
The way of the Bodhisattva one is being tested and challenged at every moment.
Sitting in a cave is also not without it's problems.
Both the Cave Dweller and the Bodhisattva must be out of their mind!;)

Tony
11th August 2012, 06:37
This is a vow Bodhisattvas to work for the benefit of others.
This is not take lightly. The word Buddha means awake and pure.
There are nine levels of bodhisattvas up to enlightenment.
Taking this vow, means one life will never be the same again.



Bodhisattva Vow.

Just as the earth and the other three elements, together with space,
eternally nourish and sustain all beings.

So may I become that source of nourishment and sustenance which
maintains all beings situated throughout space, as long as all have
not attained to peace.

When the Sugatas of former times committed themselves to the
Bodhicitta, they gradually established themselves in the practice of
a Bodhisattva.

So I too commit myself to the Bodhicitta for the welfare of beings
and will gradually establish myself in the practice of a Bodhisattva.

Today my birth has become fruitful; my birth as a human is justified.

Today I an born in the Buddha family; I am now a child of the Buddha.

Now I an determined to perform those acts appropriate to my family;
I will not violate the purity of this faultless noble family.

Just as a blind man wandering about comes upon a jewel in a heap
of refuse, so apparently by chance, the Bodhicitta is born in me.

That supreme amrita destroying death. The inexhaustible hidden
treasure relieving the universal poverty.

The supreme cure for calming the universal ill, the tree which shelter
beings weary of wandering the paths of samsara.

The vehicle for all travellers passing over distress.
The moon of mind which cools the heat of desire.

The great sun dispelling the obscurity of ignorance, the butter made
from churning the milk of the Dharma.

The great happiness for those travellers wandering the path of samara
searching for object of enjoyment.

In the presence of all the Buddhas, I have invited all the Tathagatas
and all beings as my guests. Devas and Asuras rejoice.






Taking the bodhisattva vow is an expression of settling down and making
ourselves at home in this world. We are not concerned that somebody
is going to attack us or destroy us. We are constantly exposing ourselves
for the benefit of sentient beings. In fact, we are even giving up our ambition
to attain enlightenment in favour of relieving the suffering
and difficulties of people.

Nevertheless, helplessly, we attain enlightenment anyway.
Bodhisattvas and great tathagatas in the past have taken this step,
and we too can do so. It is simply up to us whether we are going to
accept this richness or reject it and settle for a poverty-stricken mentality.


Maunagarjana
11th August 2012, 07:06
I have taken the vow. Not from any teacher of any lineage. To me, the true guru is everywhere. For me, helping others comes easy. Putting others before myself is automatic. But I find there are many people who have misconceptions of what a bodhisattva is or what they are supposed to do. One thing a bodhisattva is NOT is a doormat who gets taken advantage of constantly. Compassion without wisdom is insufficient. Also, it doesn't mean constantly doing favors for people (though that may be a part of it sometimes.) It is important to understand that oftentimes the best way to help someone is not the way they want you to help them. Sometimes just getting people to not take themselves so seriously is the best you can do.

I can go on and on talking about what the Bodhisattva Vow is not. It's not a vow saying you're going to be nice to everyone all the time, no matter what. It's not a vow to be a starving martyr or a victim. It doesn't mean you have to like or approve of everyone or trust everyone. It means you care deeply about the welfare of all beings because you know that all beings are essentially connected as children of the cosmos. It is the sincere wish to help everyone who wants to be liberated while expecting nothing in return. If you don't have these feelings and you want to have them, you generate them. You could call someone who practices this Service to Others. Or Service to All. But whatever you do, don't call them a sucker. That's not what it's about.

Tony
11th August 2012, 08:40
It's just a inner promise, to remind oneself not to be so self obsessed.

greybeard
11th August 2012, 18:39
You could say be kind to all others including you self no matter what.
Sometimes its kind just to stand back and let others karma unfold.
Its not being a bleeding heart.
Sympathy on its own is not necessarily helpful.
Compassion is a different level of being.
Once upon a time a good friend said to me--- "If you keep wanting to fix people Chris you will draw into your life a lot of broken people"
There is a balance.

Chris

gripreaper
11th August 2012, 18:59
You could say be kind to all others including you self no matter what.
Sometimes its kind just to stand back and let others karma unfold.
Its not being a bleeding heart.
Sympathy on its own is not necessarily helpful.
Compassion is a different level of being.
Once upon a time a good friend said to me--- "If you keep wanting to fix people Chris you will draw into your life a lot of broken people"
There is a balance.

Chris

Yes Chris, there is only one niyama for entering annanda Brahma, the bliss of creation, which the Siddhis practices teach us, which is: "For the sake of my own elevation and the elevation of all life, I shall strive to be harmless to myself and to others"

Tony
12th August 2012, 07:15
It's true that one has to be kind to oneself, in the sense of accepting how we are at this moment.
We don't have to take ourselves too seriously, just note what comes up in the mind, and let it be.
So being kind is giving ourselves space to 'be'...and others!
We can accept the way we are and work with it...and others!

However there does seem to be a little 'boot-camp' to be gone through.

We all seem to go through some sort of conflict(s) in life.
Conflict meaning two 'things' coming together and causing some sort of friction, as in the foot coming into contact with the earth...
..but we also notice that is how we move forward!!!

As cream is churned (or shaken) splits into fats and proteins (Butter and Butter milk),
as iron particles are heated and hammered into a useable substance, so the mind when tamed can be of benefit to all.

When we decide that we have had enough of this churning and hammering, we look for something to end it.
This involves study, practice, compassion and devotion,
then when our mind is tamed it too can be something workable.

Our problem is laziness and the emotions. We leave 'boot-camp' when we transcend laziness and the emotions.
Here too, kindness is important - our kindness tools are little discipline, patience, generosity, concentration and understanding.


Yours still hammering,
Tony

Karunai
12th August 2012, 22:06
(warning, rambling ahead : ) )

True Kindness (Pure Intention "throughout" Timelessness, Empathy) +
True Kindness adapts Itself to infinite occurrences in Consciousness (as best as It can) +
Respecting Free Will (letting the Karma -learning mechanism- to takes its course; detaching Itself from all outcomes) +
An Ever present option to get out of Samsara =

Bodhisattva (an aspect of Consciousness helping/teaching to other aspects of Consciousness on how to better dance this Cosmic Dance)
http://mudasirali.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wpid-true-words_5.jpg?w=640

DNA
13th August 2012, 10:03
I don't think the goal of incarnation is to become a buddha.
That being said, I do so love the buddhastavia vow as pronounced by MCA (RIP).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHAA1yU2LL8

"Bodhisattva Vow"


As I Develop The Awakening Mind I Praise The Buddha As They Shine
I Bow Before You As I Travel My Path To Join Your Ranks,
I Make My Full Time Task
For The Sake Of All Beings I Seek
The Enlighted Mind That I Know I'll Reap
Respect To Shantideva And All The Others
Who Brought Down The Darma For Sisters And Brothers
I Give Thanks For This World As A Place To Learn
And For This Human Body That I Know I've Earned
And My Deepest Thanks To All Sentient Beings
For Without Them There Would Be No Place To Learn What I'm Seeing
There's Nothing Here That's Not Been Said Before
But I Put It Down Now So I'll Be Sure
To Solidify My Own Views And I'll Be Glad If It Helps
Anyone Else Out Too

If Others Disrespect Me Or Give Me Flack
I'll Stop And Think Before I React
Knowing That They're Going Through Insecure Stages
I'll Take The Opportunity To Exercise Patience
I'll See It As A Chance To Help The Other Person
Nip It In The Bud Before It Can Worsen
A Change For Me To Be Strong And Sure
As I Think On The Buddhas Who Have Come Before
As I Praise And Respect The Good They've Done
Knowing Only Love Can Conquer In Every Situation
We Need Other People In Order To Create
The Circumstances For The Learning That We're Here To Generate
Situations That Bring Up Our Deepest Fears
So We Can Work To Release Them Until They're Cleared
Therefore, It Only Makes Sense
To Thank Our Enemies Despite Their Intent

The Bodhisattva Path Is One Of Power And Strength
A Strength From Within To Go The Length
Seeing Others Are As Important As Myself
I Strive For A Happiness Of Mental Wealth
With The Interconnectedness That We Share As One
Every Action That We Take Affects Everyone
So In Deciding For What A Situation Calls
There Is A Path For The Good For All
I Try To Make My Every Action For That Highest Good
With The Altruistic Wish To Achive Buddhahood
So I Pledge Here Before Everyone Who's Listening
To Try To Make My Every Action For The Good Of All Beings
For The Rest Of My Lifetimes And Even Beyond
I Vow To Do My Best To Do No Harm
And In Times Of Doubt I Can Think On The Dharma
And The Enlightened Ones Who've Graduated Samsara

greybeard
13th August 2012, 10:54
For me the reason for incarnation is find the answer to the question "What am I ?"
You can call that enlightenment ("freedom from ignorance")
Buddha mind-nature.
Christ consciousness
Non duality.
Whatever ---its an ego-less state where there are no further incarnations here unless you make a decision to come back and help others out of ignorance.
That might be attributed to a Bodhisattva vow made.

Chris

Tony
13th August 2012, 15:53
"I don't think the goal of incarnation is to become a buddha."

Now that is an interesting statement. It begs the question, "What else is it for?"
The word BUD-DHA is a sanskrit word meaning awake and pure, or cognisant and empty, meaning enlightened. This is description of any sentient beings true nature, not knowing this is called ignorance. So that is what we are here to realise, or anywhere else for that matter!

There are two reasons why we reincarnate. One is that is it very difficult (though not impossible) to become enlightened in one lifetime, so we keep reincarnating to 'practice' realising our true nature, the other is, we reincarnate because we are ignorant of our true nature.

The purpose of 'practising' is to achieve a higher incarnation, one that is more conducive to practice.
The purpose of 'ignorance' is to wander around from body to body (not all human) confused.
The purpose of of the bodhisattva is to practice bodhichitta, being of benefit to others

What else is life for?




Tony

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I'd like to thank all those for their kind participating on this thread, as it will be read by others on the internet.


Tony