Keshe Foundation sends warning to the US and its associates

[Camilo]

The world peace invitation and release of technology: The 2nd international presentation: How to become an axis of evil

We have been asked to make our point clear about the upcoming expected and possible war between Iran and US.

We release the new information below to pre-empt any new plans for a new war in the world and as a prelude to our conference in September.

We explain here how nations like Iran are made to look as if they become an axis of evil in the eyes of the international community through pre-planned actions of some nations to start new international crises.

Prepare yourselves as this will be a long read, but it is important that one understands why we call upon nations for our upcoming meeting. We are fully aware of what we are releasing and now we want not only the nations but the citizens of the earth to understand the real depth of the Foundation's knowledge of the hidden working of all nations and the reasons for our actions, even though sometimes they look as if they are against our ethos. (Please advise if you see any mistakes in the text for them to be corrected.)

The second part of this statement will be released soon by the Foundation.

For those who do not know, here we lay the groundwork for the effort of the Foundation for the peace conference due on the 6th of September of 2012 in Keshe foundation centre in Belgium.



Our firm belief is that:

There shall be no war between Iran, Israel and US, as the latter have more and may be all to lose if such an action takes place, and this is a clear message from this Foundation. If you are interested to know why we give such an indication please take note of the following paragraphs in this open letter.

How any nations become an axis of evil according to the pre-mandated action of the real evildoers of the earth is easy to understand and to be seen and read as follows:

As most of the readers of this forum know and some have listened to my previous interviews over the past years, they know my education background and my work.

It is important to make clear some points for all readers and the world audience to know how every nation can become an axis of evil according to the agreement signed by President Reagan and Mrs Thatcher in the late seventies and the establishment of the nuclear triad connection between the USA, UK and France.

There shall be no war between Iran, Israel and US, as the latter have more and may be all to lose if such an action takes place, and this is a clear message from this Foundation.

In my early work at the British nuclear classified site, I had an opportunity to read the proposal and documents which made it clear to me that the future of the world nuclear industry was well set and with agreement of the above three nations the act of making every nation an axis of evil was signed and sealed by the leaders of these countries for the control of power and energy resources of the future.

In this agreement the process was initiated of bringing the world economy to its knees and starting the second process of slavery of all nations as they did in earlier centuries with opium, but this time using the nuclear industry as the whip of threat and control.

In late seventies it was agreed that the British use US military might to force and attack nations and then rob all nations of their resources and then control them through nuclear power supply systems and control of nuclear fuel started by the British.

To make the triad work, the British gave the right of manufacturing the nuclear power stations even for the UK to the US and their companies, with the carrot that the UK even stopped with immediate effect all new research in development and building of new nuclear British designed power stations and the UK started the closure of all the nuclear power station capabilities of its own design.

In return the British under the disguise of helping the US accepted the proliferation and recycling of nuclear fuel worldwide. This is the most lucrative part of the nuclear industry long term.

At the same time with proliferation the UK in the future can force nations to its will because if materials are not processed they cannot operate their nuclear power stations.

As nations need new fuel rods, their energy supply becomes slave to UK generosity and colonial power pressures as in past centuries.

At the moment this process has already started as the UK has been practising its reprocessing system by profiteering from fuel for Japan and Germany in the past decades.

At the same time to keep the French on board, part of the structural work in Europe and the nuclear fuel production of Europe were given to the French.

Thus in this triad of nations, they have shared out the future of the world energy supply between each other in such a way that once the oil runs out or they create oil crises, these three nations excluding Russia and China will become the controllers of the energy for Europe, the Middle East, Asia and South America.

Now let us explain how nations become an axis of evil like the nation of Iran through this triad of the nuclear control through deliberate and false accusation and by controlling present world media.



Primarily it has to be understood that Iran has been and is self-sufficient in producing raw nuclear material.

In the mid-fifties the US used to take uranium from the mines of Hamadan in the south central regions of Iran for their nuclear processing and fuel supply, and this is well documented in international shipments of uranium.

Now these mines are in the hands of the Iranian nation, thus Iran does not need to purchase any fuel and is using its own natural resources for its future fuel processing and fuel production and Iran even has surpluses of raw material to support other power stations of other nations if it is needed in the region for their future power supply.

Thus Iran has and can become a fuel supplier and competitor to the French and US pieces of the cake of the present organised nuclear triad.



Secondly Iranian nuclear scientists through the help of the US in the past and presently through work with Russian scientists have gained enough knowledge to build nuclear reactors for power generation.

Thus with the newly gained knowledge by home-grown and taught nuclear engineers and scientists, Iran now can and has cut into the piece of the cake of the US power generation manufacturing market.

Now Iran becomes another financial threat to a member of nuclear triad, the USA.

By the same measure, Iranian aircraft engineers, being boycotted for parts by US sanctions, have made a full working Boeing 747 jetliner in Iran in the past five years to service the fleet of Iran jet liners and now one can buy exact parts of these craft in even better quality from Iran than from the US.

From producing these systems Iran is now using the same knowledge in building aircraft and has gained the full capability to produce the spaceship program craft of the present trials using Iranian scientists.

Thus the boycott has given Iran the advantage and step up for the new spaceship program systems that have left NASA in the dark ages of space technology.



Thirdly, now that Iran has its own raw material and has learned the lessons of the oil refinery materials boycott by the west in the past thirty years, in the past three years Iran has begun the process of learning and developing reprocessing of the fuel.

With this Iran can use its own mined uranium as fuel to enrich and use the fuel for supporting its nation with energy once the oil runs out.

Thus Iran with the capability of reprocessing and enriching fuel for its power stations now has the power and the knowledge to cut into the piece of cake of the UK of the triad.

Therefore now Iran has become a supplier and competitor not only in oil, but in the nuclear industry too with the triad.

Thus the mask of axis of evil is nothing but cover for the crimes of the past done by nations of the nuclear triad and a new setting for the scenario of the 1972 crisis, where this time the British will control the world energy and will take nations hostage like pirates of the high seas as they have done for centuries, but in a modern version.

The other recent action of the EU boycott against the nation of Iran came about purely by an accident and the greed of Germany which had nothing to do with Iran.

In the early seventies Iran acquired a small prototype nuclear reactor built for Iran by the western nations for training its future nuclear scientists for the power stations to be built in late and early eighties by them for Iran.

I was presumed to be one of these scientists when and if I returned to Tehran after finishing my education as a nuclear engineer in Europe.

This nuclear reactor in Tehran University has the capability of producing the low level high grade nuclear material isotopes needed nowadays in the medical sector of the health system of all nations.

This sector of the health radiation industry will be worth some 12 billion euros in the coming years.

What has happened in the past years is that the nuclear power plant which is the parallel system to the Iranian research nuclear reactor and has been the major producer of these isotopes for years, which was based in Canada and employing thousands of scientists and workers and generating billions of dollars of revenue for Canada for years, in the recent past has gone faulty and cannot produce and supply the world demand for isotopes for the medical market.

Hence this has given a unprecedented chance to Iran to fill this vacuum generated in the market by chance in the western world supply of nuclear medical isotopes and this is a material to save lives of thousands of people around the world as without these isotopes no brain scan, no MRIs and other non-intrusive medical procedures can be carried out.

I wonder how many British, American, French and other nationals are not told daily that thanks to Iran we can give yours and your children's lives back to you.

This does not fit into the image of an axis of evil which the triad have made for Iran.

I wonder how many Americans walk away from MRI tables and thank the lives of Iranian scientists who have filled the gap that was created by the Canada nuclear breakdown to save their lives.

We thank you Iranian nuclear scientists in the place of those who have never been told the real truth and salute you for your support of world citizens, even though in helping us you have put your lives in danger and are even losing your lives by assassination because you are serving and helping the rest of mankind in time of need.

Under the nuclear treaty of the Second World War the government of Germany, like the Japanese government, cannot get involved in the proliferation of nuclear materials on any scale in Germany. But the German government can appoint proxies and use a third nation for its research and to develop a system to cover the Canadian gap in nuclear isotope manufacturing.

Thus through agreement with France, UK, US and Belgium they have signed a treaty with the rest of the EU nations to build a replacement of the Canadian reactor in the nuclear centre in Mole in Belgium, which is at present under construction.

Thus Iran unwantedly has become a competitor again with Germany and France in the industrial gap which Iran at the moment is helping to fill to save the lives of people around the world.

But Iran will not be attacked until this reactor is operational, as by chance even the President of the US might need these isotopes from Iran for saving his life or his family, thus the Iran cat and mouse game will be continued until this reactor is operational in Belgium.

This is the reason why suddenly Germany has appeared as the 5+1 (5 of UN +1 of Germany) of nations in negotiation with Iran over Iran's nuclear program.

However Germany according to the Second World War treaty has nothing to do with world nuclear operation.



Now the role of Iran in enforcing world peace through its newly gained spaceship program:

Iran is and will be the flagship nation for world peace.

Iran has the capability to prevent the start of any war and stifle all future wars with the present knowledge of spaceship technology in its hands. Iran has the capability to prevent the start of any war and stifle all future wars with the present knowledge of spaceship technology in its hands.

Iran the land of peace will be the flagship nation for peace in these so called enforced crises in the world.

Let me explain in simple words what will happen if the triad of the nuclear nations or their proxies decide to attack Iran in the near future.

Iran has never passed its borders in the past three hundred years and will never do so, as we have found war is nothing but a waste of human resources.

In the Iran and Iraq war there were prisoners from twenty seven countries in Iranian prisons, these all being recruited by the same nations who started the new spring uprising in the past year.

The Italian government sold NINE million land mines to the Iraqi government to mine and kill Iranians at any cost.

In Iran every day in the past twenty years up to today, children playing in their homes and gardens are losing their lives and their limbs to these mines, all thanks to Italian hostility and greed.

And I wonder what happened to the cries of the advanced nations of the west to help come and clean up these mines which they supplied; I wonder how many Italians will give the hand of help to fathers and sons who have lost their children and fathers in Iran through these Italian mines in the past year alone.

The Keshe Foundation is developing systems to eradicate these meaningless tools of destruction and greed from the land of peace.

Now one wonders why Italians are in these crises of today as they are paying the price of the murderous recent acts of their fathers to fill the banks of Italy with the blood of innocent children of Iran.

But in the war with Iraq, even though Iran could have crossed the borders of Iraq to recapture and finish the old regime, Iran did not cross its agreed international borders.

The Iranian nation has defended the integrity of the motherland of Iran for centuries and it will do so if need be again, but this time with its new SSP program. If the triad of nations or their proxies try to pass the international Iranian border lines the game will be different.

Iran is at this moment in possession of the most advanced technologies known to man, and it showed a small part of the power and capabilities of this new technology in December of last year by capturing an American spy plane 27m long at high speed and altitude and under the control of over 8 satellites.

If need be to enforce world peace Iran will show the full might of its spaceship program in an instant to the powers of the world if they cross the borders of Iran.

Iran is the land of Dareush who saved the lives of my Jewish forefathers and in the seventh century the Iranian king saved the Christians by providing them shelter, and now this race have become the present descendants of my blood.

Iran is my Islamic descendant forefathers' home and land of peace and prosperity and it will teach the world the knowledge of space and the true conduct of real men of integrity.

Iran has the power to bring about world peace though its wisdom and generosity to other nations and religions as it has done in the past, without firing a single shot with its new SSP program.



Let us tell you what will be the consequences of any attack on Iran territorial borders now that Iran is in possession of spaceship technology.

On 21 April 2012 in a meeting at the Keshe Foundation centre, we showed to the world delegation present the SSP system and the video of its capacity to increase its weight, which allows the submergence of the SSP system in the deepest waters of the earth.

And within 36 hours from this meeting on 23.4.2012 we received the presidential decree to silence us as the US realised what has been developed as they have nothing to protect themselves from such an advanced technological gain by Iran and the Keshe Foundation. For the first time they realised how they lost their craft in December of the previous year to Iran, and the US president asked Iran to give their toy back.

With this technology the submariners of any nation contemplating an attack on Iran through the Straights of Hormoze and any waters across the earth will be faced with instant death due to an operational failure of all their systems, as was done with the unmanned aircraft in December of last year. At the same time these craft will maintain their position in the deep seas and will never resurface for decades, unless they are pulled out of the water through special operations, so once Iran SSP touches these submarines in the deep waters of the earth, no mother or son of these submariners will ever know the fate of their loved ones.

Above water, military ships will cease working and become obsolete and they will and can be caused to join their submariners in seconds, which will leave thousands and thousands of fathers without their sons and so many mothers without their daughters who are serving on these ships.

Aircraft which are airborne will drop from the skies like heavy metal cast birds on the borders of Iran or at any point of choosing on earth by the Iranian SSP program, so that they will not be able to even reach the beautiful borders of the land of peace.

This would lead to more loss of the beautiful lives of men and women of the USA and their collaborators.

Satellite communication will be brought to an absolute halt as Iran has to ensure that no nuclear warhead missiles can be controlled and targeted on Iran and hence most of the intercontinental missiles will fall on Iran’s neighbouring nations or wherever these missiles are lost due to loss of satellites, and surely none will reach Iran.

US intercontinental missiles will be activated in their berth holes and how many of our cousins and brothers are to lose their lives in the land of the US by the action of the US military if the misguided action of a few goes through.

Then the question to ask is why humanity allows this triad of nations to carry out all these acts under the banner of world peace and not the real truth of its objective of tyranny.

Thus Iran does not need to start the war, but will use its wisdom to protect itself as before; the losses will be from those who are doing the instigation of war and will be in the land of the instigators of the war.



What is the solution?

The solution is simple and immediate.

We call upon the triad nations and Iranian government to meet under the banner of world peace in the immediate future, to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of young and beautiful daughters and sons of mainly US origin as they are the real slaves of the master in the war.

We have seen it happen in Iraq and Afghanistan with invasions under the same type of false accusation to loot these nations or use them to supply drugs to other nations as in the past centuries, where again the UK walked away with the loot of oil and national reserves and the US paid the price of the lives of its youth and is still paying it.

From the Keshe Foundation we call upon the leaders of the world to open their eyes to the song of peace from us, or the beautiful White House will only be white by name as its residents will leave the fields of their matters within this structure with no sign of real material life, once Iran has to enforce world peace, without the use of war. From the Keshe Foundation we call upon the leaders of the world to open their eyes to the song of peace from us, or the beautiful White House will only be white by name as its residents will leave the fields of their matters within this structure with no sign of real material life, once Iran has to enforce world peace, without the use of war.

In the palaces of Europe the bells of justice will be rung by their people and not by its present residents as the men of truth will open the files of the real working of these houses of horror and stop the suffering of their nations as they are answerable to the nations of the world for whom they have chosen to govern and rob others under their name.

We did not set the scene, but we are the messengers of peace and we are the instigator of world peace and we have the technology to serve mankind and walk and enforce the path of peace.

My call to citizens of this planet is simple and straightforward; join us and each other to serve our human race under one banner of mankind and not nationhood.

Under one banner of peace this will carry us through as one soul and one planet and not as a divided broken army of nations.

Our decree of peace will take its course and soon there will be no more conflict as each man has the power of the king to serve and not as power of the slave.

The leaders of the world have to accept that the seat of kingship and leadership is the seat of serving one's nation and not to be served by the nation, and this has to become the path of every being.

Then one will see that there shall be no servants by force, but men will be servants by choice and for their fellow men, and earth will be a sea of physical bodies that have nothing to do but to serve each other.

From this point on kinship is among the souls of mankind and not through the physical body.

From this point on we take away the physicality of the workings of man’s life as we have met all his needs through the kinship of the soul. At the level of soul there is no physicality to feed, but the essence of equality to protect and serve.

Blessed are the souls who have received the message of peace not in the physical but in the true realm of creation.

M T Keshe

[hectorlca]

Awesome.

Forget mass arrests. Free energy is where it's at.

[MorningSong]

Do you have a link to this letter?

[Kindred]

Do you have a link to this letter?

http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/keshe-news

I had read this item earlier this morning, and have been keep abreast of these developments.

Some real 'game changers', IMO...

In Unity, Peace and Love

[WhiteFeather]

It seems that Iran has the ball in their court. And Hopefully all nations will play a clean and fair game towards true world peace. The Time Is Now. This I Hope! Great Post. Wanishi

[NancyV]

So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. He also blames the US, UK and France basically for the condition of the world right now, completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries. He makes Iran sound like the total victim here and seems to claim some sort of moral high ground as he paints Iran as a nation desiring peace. I'll have to call bullcrap on this entire letter. It's one of the most blatant and disgusting attempts at threatening other nations I've seen in many years.

My opinion of the Keshe Foundation has turned around 180 degrees. I would not refute the possible veracity of the claims of the US, UK and France making deals around the Nuke industry, but I don't KNOW what the facts are. Keshe is putting himself on the very same level as those he accuses from the US and it's allies, and even couching it in trying to bring about World Peace (by killing). He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master.

If you think you don't like living under the present PTB, wait until you have Muslims in charge. Persians were known for their brutality throughout the centuries. And you women....hope you like wearing a burka and not being allowed to drive. It won't be a pretty picture. Sometimes we are better off with the devil we know. Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free.

[bogeyman]

Any exotic technology such as those that are being developed here will try to be supressed. There is strong indications, the development of this technology is in advanced stages by certain elements of the intelligence community, the military and private contractors. It is similar concept to the way UFO technology works. Bruce Cathie also had problems when he wrote about the world energy grid, this tried to be suppressed also, the same with John Hutchinson, he was harrassed by law enforcement official constantly.

There are many players in the field of black technologies, and they play for keeps, and they do not play by the rules many of us follow in everyday life. There are too many vested interests, too much money, research and time involved. The USG, or certain highly compartmented elements know of this technology and it is being used for a variety of different purposes, including of course military aspects.

[GarethBKK]

A revolting nationalist diatribe. The growing consciousness of humanity globally does not and should not consider modern geopolitical boundaries.

[sdv]

completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries

Could you back this statement up with some facts?

Since 1979, when the Islamic Republic of Iran was created, the country has only been at war once - when it was invaded by Iraq.

Since 1979, the USA has invaded a country three times (Iraq twice) and has been involved in military conflicts in numerous countries (often 'dragged in' as some sort of peacekeeping effort).

From an outsider's point of view the USA is a very dangerous country, and Iran is not.

By the way, I live amongst Muslims, happily and peacefully. (Just as with Christians, there are different kinds of Muslims, and each Muslim is also an individual person.) I find that the Trans-Atlantic region has a very distorted view of the religion and the people. Oh, and they also make great food so an invitation to a Muslim wedding or Eid celebration is the best (but avoid the tea with condensed milk!).

[NancyV]

sdv, talking about the year 1979 on is only the last 35 years. I said CENTURIES. Iran was part of PERSIA before it became the Islamic Republic of Iran. It's pretty easy to google the history of the Persian empire. Please feel free to do so. Start looking at history around 500BC. America has only been engaged in wars for a couple of hundred years. Iran has us beat in the experience area as far as engaging in wars.

I find it amusing that people like to blame America or the UK for things their countries have been doing for many centuries longer than the US has even been a country. We are all human. Whenever humans get together in cities and countries they eventually engage in wars. It's a human problem not an American problem. But if anyone feels the need to blame the US for everything... feel free to do so. However you will just be deluding yourself.

[jaybee]

So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. .


After a first reading of the OP....


Keshe is talking about Iran's ability to DEFEND it's borders and itself....not it's ability or desire to ATTACK and kill.

Keshe is saying that IF Iran is attacked, they will be able to shut down the missiles and submarines etc that are doing the attacking....

The US must certainly have the same ability to do this with it's own borders..?

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[danceblackcatdance]

It doesn't matter what we say or think here, looks like this is going down anyhow :)

However, like Kindred (and others) I have been keeping Up with whats been going on, have watched and read a lot of presentations by Keshe, I still maintain that his stance is that of integrity and for the genuine peaceful advancement of all man and woman kind, regardeless of race or religion...

My observations might be wrong, but if that is a possibility then you must be able to admit you are wrong too and this could be a positive turn of events...

I'd suggest do more research into what he's all about before judging, but its happening anyway.. So fingers crossed etc :cool:

Edit: I do agree there's some antagonistic statements in this one tho, like the whitehouse part is a bit off key...

[Kindred]

So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people.

This topic is also discussed in other threads - here's one of my posts from just last night - there are a few more in that thread pertinent to this discussion:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48050-Free-Energy-100&p=532825#post532825

One important point; it is the US and it's 'cronies' that have instituted virtually Every major war (if not directly, then by proxy) since the the 60's, not to mention all the 'military interventions' - Korea, Vietnam, Argentina, Grenada, Panama, the 'insurgency' in Columbia, etc, etc. We've overthrown and/or installed / supported brutal dictators in many countries, Iran being one of them... and they finally took back their country. We would do the same if this happened here, and was the reason we (supposedly) had a revolution.

If you read the letter by Mr. Keshe, you will learn that he's of Jewish origin, and his family was 'saved' by these same 'Muslims' in 'Persia'. As were many Christians. We truly need to stop with this religion 'bashing', although I'll be the first to suggest that all 'religions' need to be dispensed with. They are the cause of Much division on our world... by Design. (divide and conquer, yes?)

NancyV - I do think you're a bit overboard with the Muslim caricature - Iran is an advanced culture, and should not be even remotely compared to Saudi Arabia, which is, indeed, a real throw-back to the 12th century patriarchal paradigm. In point of fact, it is the Saudi's that are helping to promote the overthrow of Syria (an attack on Iran, by proxy), and I'm certain that they were part of the overthrow of Libya and other mideast countries during the 'arab spring'. This was supported by a warning by PM on YT to me, by a black-ops operative where he stated that 'all the uprisings have been controlled'.

As I state in other posts in the other thread, I do take issue with Mr. Keshe's stance on the taxation of this new energy and that, hopefully, eventually All aspects of this technology will be open sourced. Just the same, everyone who is inclined should continue with their efforts in achieving ZPE/free energy technology - Tesla had done it, as had Ed Leekskalin (Corral Castle). We just need to put our minds to the task, and 'the hand to the wrench' to achieve what is necessary to move into a new energy paradigm that will free the world from energy tyranny, and away from the devastatingly destructive fossil fuel paradigm.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[sdv]

NancyV, actually, I am well informed about the history of war and aggression in both regions. I try to understand and empathise with the fear and brainwashing behind your reasoning, which does not make sense.

I am not judging at all, but simply stating a reality: that the USA has a long history of invading other countries and starting wars of aggression with other countries, which Iran does not. The USA dictates to the rest of the world who may or may not have weapons, what political system countries must have, what religions and cultural practices are acceptable or not, and so on. Iran does not.

Christians who execute people, deny gay people rights and so on are just as fearful as radical Muslims that blow themselves up in public places.

Why not get to know more about Iran and Muslims so that you can be less fearful and judgemental - food is always a good place to start.

There is a lot about Americans I like (some of my favourite writers, actors, musicians, thinkers, books, wild places - not food though!) and I would never support a war of aggression against America (you can't solve aggression by using aggression).

If by this time next year, Israel and the USA have not invaded Iran (the USA has already attacked Iran in a cyberspace war), and if the USA and its supporters have not succeeded in replacing the government in Syria, then I will be grateful for a miracle.

And don't judge all Iranians by the pronouncements of Keshe!
:focus:

[GarethBKK]

I see a lot of hatred and bitterness from the writer of the letter, which is odd for an 'instigator of world peace'. I see a lot of vitriol directed against some nations, while another is extolled. This is odd for someone 'under one banner of mankind and not nationhood'. I see so much contradiction that I would suggest a lot of hugs for the writer and some therapy.

[Marsila]

So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. He also blames the US, UK and France basically for the condition of the world right now, completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries. He makes Iran sound like the total victim here and seems to claim some sort of moral high ground as he paints Iran as a nation desiring peace. I'll have to call bullcrap on this entire letter. It's one of the most blatant and disgusting attempts at threatening other nations I've seen in many years.

My opinion of the Keshe Foundation has turned around 180 degrees. I would not refute the possible veracity of the claims of the US, UK and France making deals around the Nuke industry, but I don't KNOW what the facts are. Keshe is putting himself on the very same level as those he accuses from the US and it's allies, and even couching it in trying to bring about World Peace (by killing). He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master.

If you think you don't like living under the present PTB, wait until you have Muslims in charge. Persians were known for their brutality throughout the centuries. And you women....hope you like wearing a burka and not being allowed to drive. It won't be a pretty picture. Sometimes we are better off with the devil we know. Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free.


NancyV this post of yours reminded me of this other post of yours more than a year ago, where you were so keen on trying to tell people to not be too hasty in NOT blaming the muslims for the Norway bombing...yours is post 16...it is your choice to be seen as someone who more than a year later still holds the same 'attitude' towards something a person can't do much about like their race or religion.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25871-Explosion-in-Oslo&p=267916&highlight=#post267916

As for burkas i lived in more than one muslim country....hardly saw anyone but a few people wearing them, if you ever get a chance to travel it will blow your mind how different real life is from that on tv.

Yes every single country in the world has done something horrible to its neighbours or original people at one point in time, but you know the US you are defending is yet the only one that has ever dropped a nuclear bomb on another country.

Stop seeing people as Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist etc and start seeing them for who they really are behind the label, and a better picture will show up.

[danceblackcatdance]

I see a lot of hatred and bitterness from the writer of the letter, which is odd for an 'instigator of world peace'. I see a lot of vitriol directed against some nations, while another is extolled. This is odd for someone 'under one banner of mankind and not nationhood'. I see so much contradiction that I would suggest a lot of hugs for the writer and some therapy.

fair enough, but all i can say to that is its very difficult to not be bitter in the face of decades of gross injustice, domination / global repression, when we could have already been living in 'heaven on earth' through technology, peace and shared resources if governments hadn't manipulated humanity for so long and kept the majority in the dark... the man is 'Keshe', not 'Gandhi'...

it still matters not.. fasten your seatbelt, or 'let go'..

enjoy the ride :)

[Kindred]

I see a lot of hatred and bitterness from the writer of the letter, which is odd for an 'instigator of world peace'. I see a lot of vitriol directed against some nations, while another is extolled. This is odd for someone 'under one banner of mankind and not nationhood'. I see so much contradiction that I would suggest a lot of hugs for the writer and some therapy.

I'm sorry... I don't see this at all, but I do see a recitation of what the US, UK, and France have tried to force upon the world through intimidation, financial manipulation, and outright militaristic aggression. I can assure you.. these countries named above have done nothing but promote war and aggression, although they espouse 'peace and democracy' - this is a complete falsehood, and anyone who believes them is delusional.

I see Mr. Keshe's letter as a firmly worded warning that aggression, in the name of 'peace', will not be tolerated - at least in the instance that these powers choose to attack the (generally peaceful) nation of Iran.

Remember, we are dealing with countries that openly use depleted uranium, napalm, outlawed mines (bomblets), drones, assassination, torture, rendition, etc, etc, and then have the audacity to proclaim that they want peace?

I think we need to take a closer look at what WE, in the 'western nations' actually DO, Not what our 'leaders' say.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[freespirit]

It's unlikely Israel will make a move on Iran without America to back them up.
Add Russia to the mix who are something like allies to Iran.It's not so one sided as one might think.

[sigma6]

It seems that Iran has the ball in their court. And Hopefully all nations will play a clean and fair game towards true world peace. The Time Is Now. This I Hope! Great Post. Wanishi

Correction, with all due respect Whitefeather, and I get the gist of what you are saying, but I think you mean it the other way around. I would say the ball is in the US/British Anglo NWO Hegemony's court. They are the instigators, they have killed a million men, women and children in Iraq, they are distributing the heroin in Afghanistan, they instigated the attack on Libya's high standard of living and resources, and now they are provoking a war by supplying the "Friends of Syria" with weapons and propaganda, and of course this is just the last 10 years!... tip of the iceberg... AGAIN ALL these countries are not part of the Satanic IMF/Fed Reserve Banking Cabal...

They are the ones planning the 'next' move and of course all the rhetoric is just part of the mind control propaganda, as every time it over builds, they send out a 'dove' to say "oh, wait, we are being silly, and better stop..." in this way they are controlling the balance of their propaganda, trying to maintain the buildup of mind control and pre-emptive programming while being stymied toward their ultimate goal timeline... that is how they do everything, with military precision and detailed planning.

I believe there must be a lot of frustration and despair in the US military by the number of General's and officers getting sacked, or going postal, the above average suicide rate and the Ron Paul military vote contributions... they are walking toward a path of greater and greater potential death as they realize they are dying for likes of people like Cheney, Bush and now Obama, the face of the corporations.... enough to make anyone puke.

[sigma6]

sdv, talking about the year 1979 on is only the last 35 years. I said CENTURIES. Iran was part of PERSIA before it became the Islamic Republic of Iran. It's pretty easy to google the history of the Persian empire. Please feel free to do so. Start looking at history around 500BC. America has only been engaged in wars for a couple of hundred years. Iran has us beat in the experience area as far as engaging in wars.

I find it amusing that people like to blame America or the UK for things their countries have been doing for many centuries longer than the US has even been a country. We are all human. Whenever humans get together in cities and countries they eventually engage in wars. It's a human problem not an American problem. But if anyone feels the need to blame the US for everything... feel free to do so. However you will just be deluding yourself.


So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. He also blames the US, UK and France basically for the condition of the world right now, completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries. He makes Iran sound like the total victim here and seems to claim some sort of moral high ground as he paints Iran as a nation desiring peace. I'll have to call bullcrap on this entire letter. It's one of the most blatant and disgusting attempts at threatening other nations I've seen in many years.

My opinion of the Keshe Foundation has turned around 180 degrees. I would not refute the possible veracity of the claims of the US, UK and France making deals around the Nuke industry, then state
but I don't KNOW what the facts are. Keshe is putting himself on the very same level as those he accuses from the US and it's allies, and even couching it in trying to bring about World Peace (by killing). He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master.

If you think you don't like living under the present PTB, wait until you have Muslims in charge. Persians were known for their brutality throughout the centuries. And you women....hope you like wearing a burka and not being allowed to drive. It won't be a pretty picture. Sometimes we are better off with the devil we know. Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free.

First off it seems like a glitch because the the response to quote looks to have picked up two of Nancy’s quotes, regardless, all the more to comment on, but like Unified Serenity, this is just begging to be picked apart…

Let’s begin untwisting by deconstructing the misconceptions and false assumptions (imo), at first blush one would guess your on the military payroll (corporate welfare) or have family in the military? or receive some benefit from some military based economic industry. There seems to be a weird slant in there somewhere… I always love it when people reach into the past to make a comparison, in this case though I don’t see the tie in. Unless you are trying to prove how Iran has progressed to become a civilized nation over the last 300 years. Of course that beggers a stark contrast to the UK, like what is their excuse? They have certainly polished a civilized ‘veneer’ but war, and drug trafficking and destabilizing other economies via the banking cartels, or as Max Keiser likes to say "the global headquarters for Banking fraud" still seems to be their modus operandi. So that is an interesting justification for the US corporation’s killing spree, ‘beginner’s rights’…hmmm…. Well I guess they are only human as they test out their killing technologies, while trying to take over the economic resources of other countries… brilliant (not)

But make no mistake it's a losing game they are playing... the US was manifesting 50% of world GDP after entering WWII by coming late in the game and using it to their economic advantage... today they are controlling maybe 20% of world GDP... the trend continues... thus why they are instigating a war (it's an outdated and desperate strategy to try and get a 'return' on their investment in military hardware, and it looks like they have bet the farm on it. To this I say look at ancient history, the Romans tried to do the same thing, then it dawned on them. They found a cheaper way. They would use their superior intelligence and use a different force 'deception' they would don the clothing of sheep and become a world power through the hijacking of the followers' of the Way' and impose their institutions on it, it was a long term strategy, but they knew they were nearing extinction, and had to work with what they had left, (their system of empire building sciences, their politics, their legal system all based on their brutal philosophy epitomized in the totally anti-christian saying "Let he who would be deceived, be deceived"


So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. You got the world peace part right... and it must sound odd to your ears to hear some other country other then the US threatening another country with death and destruction, but here's the difference. It the US that has their nose up Iran's butt (and everyone else) Iran lives in peace within it's borders. You may not like their bravado, but everyone on this planet has the right to defend themselves. That's why your not supposed to go sticking your nose up everyone's arse... but just like in Roman times, the very thought of even 'challenging' the 'Empire' was evidence that the propaganda was not working and called for an immediate 'response' of military retaliation... tough ti**ies for the US eh...

Not sure what you how you can even compare Iran to the US even when you make the transparent attempt to compare Iran 2500 years ago to the US in the last 50. That is a joke. But compared by the last century you have absolutely nothing to stand on... What is your justification for the US having 800 - 1200 military bases around the world? Do you really buy "they're saving the world" BS? Get real.

Then you actually admit to the 'veracity' of the US/UK/France Nuclear cartel (all Latin, derived from Western Roman...)
"but I don't KNOW what the facts are" Therefore your ignorance is your justification? (hah!)... another brilliant stroke (lol) Of course I know for many just using one's head and seeing what is in front of one's face is quite a challenge these days (in all seriousness) but nonetheless that is the task at hand my dear.

Bottom line there is a difference by faking your ego has been 'victimized' and then getting your friends to camp around George Mcfly's house and then barging in with guns blazing blowing holes through everyone in sight then stealing all their stuff while claiming you're saving the world and waiting patiently in your living room vs. be willing to blast the f*** out of bunch of said outlaws trying to break into said home, even an 8 year old could see that (that's the intellectual age of a moron btw)


He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master. Now you are really giving yourself away. Like you honestly don't think any of the readers can't tell the difference between a defensive posture and an aggressive one? Again my only response, get real that is insulting, but let's go there. If you have to go over to someone's house and bang on their door while your friends are all camped around the front lawn, that's aggressive, and if your the guy looking out the window telling them to f*** off (or you will blow their heads off, if necessary), that would be the 'defensive' guy... nuff said


If you think you don't like living under the PTB..... Whoa! Whoa! what sneaky baloney 'slider' is this! Have you so lowered your standard? We exist in spite of the PTB. Honey we could have had free energy with Tesla (and who knows how many others) scarcity is a technological mind controlled propaganda... THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT the PTB do... pull your head out right there. That is just too dangerously close to exposing yourself.


Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free I suggest you read up more on his site and listen to his interviews. He despises those who call it 'free' energy... although I use the term myself... and if he has to sell it, that is only because right now, that is the ONLY way he can get it into the market, thanks to your glorious PTB... as they have tried to stop him every step of the way...

I just can't believe what I read when I see a message like this, I can only guess at your true motives... and wonder...

[sigma6]

...There is strong indications, the development of this technology is in advanced stages by certain elements of the intelligence community, the military and private contractors. It is similar concept to the way UFO technology works. ...

...There are many players in the field of black technologies, and they play for keeps, and they do not play by the rules many of us follow in everyday life. There are too many vested interests, too much money, research and time involved....

Dude according to Lazar and Lear you can check it out any time by going down to Area 51 on a Wednesday night (least traffic at that time...) Of course the US has some version of this technology and due to their wonderfully karmic greed and covetnous they chose to use trillions of American taxpayers dollars to keep it all to themselves, and now Keshe is ruining their party... these black operations that have 'higher clearance' then the president (HINT, HINT) aren't trying to save the world but beat it into submission... and now all those trillions have been wasted on this sham and it is doomed to fail (thus NWO flunkies must be sh***ing their pants)

As for their rules, I think we need a new paradigm, Keshe and others have been slowly wising up. Keeping things public, open sourced, presenting it for purposes of peace and backing it up by DISTRIBUTING the patents (he should have skipped patents altogether, as the registration process created a legal justification for the PTB to pretend they have some jurisdiction, since technically according to trust law he ceded legal title to the registrar... DON'T PATENT (update: DON'T REGISTER ANYTHING without conditions, like All Rights Reserved for e.g.) anything you want to keep legal title to!!!... anyways that is another story)

Point is, they are not killing as many, and I don't think it is because they are becoming more evolved but afraid of the ongoing exposure each botched death creates in a world of networked instantaneous communications... each new 'Breitbart' (?) or Aurora mass shooting (?) fails to work as planned, their propaganda can't keep up with the communication network of free thinkers (like us for example)

[sigma6]

So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. .
After a first reading of the OP....
Keshe is talking about Iran's ability to DEFEND it's borders and itself....not it's ability or desire to ATTACK and kill.
Keshe is saying that IF Iran is attacked, they will be able to shut down the missiles and submarines etc that are doing the attacking....
The US must certainly have the same ability to do this with it's own borders..?
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Interesting point jaybee (lol) ... now here's the question does the US have this capability, what if their scientists were only thinking of aggressive applications of this technology? or pursued different paths along their study and understanding of the atom then Keshe did? this is bleeding, bleeding cutting edge, with many interpretations on exactly what is going on inside an atom, the US black op science may not have gone down this path... Although I have no doubt they are shifting gears furiously and working on it if it isn't already there... but they are still euchred, because it's a defensive weapon and they bet the farm on a world police state, jack boots, everyone wearing their 'proud' security badges, waging endless wars 'to save the planet'... and they wanted the seat at the head of the table... and now they got it, but now they are worried that no one might show up ... oops, time for a new propaganda campaign...

[sigma6]

As were many Christians. We truly need to stop with this religion 'bashing', although I'll be the first to suggest that all 'religions' need to be dispensed with. They are the cause of Much division on our world... by Design. (divide and conquer, yes?)

NancyV - I do think you're a bit overboard with the Muslim caricature - Iran is an advanced culture, and should not be even remotely compared to Saudi Arabia, which is, indeed, a real throw-back to the 12th century patriarchal paradigm. In point of fact, it is the Saudi's that are helping to promote the overthrow of Syria (an attack on Iran, by proxy), and I'm certain that they were part of the overthrow of Libya and other mideast countries during the 'arab spring'. This was supported by a warning by PM on YT to me, by a black-ops operative where he stated that 'all the uprisings have been controlled'.

As I state in other posts in the other thread, I do take issue with Mr. Keshe's stance on the taxation of this new energy and that, hopefully,

I just wanted to take a few points Kindred, and thanks for a lovely thoughtful commentary, so this is an 'agreement' comment (I know I can be fairly ascerbic...haha) I don't agree with the throw out religion part, but here's what I mean... take the word 'religion' and replace with 'philosophy' then get to work treating it like any other branch of knowledge, ie. applied reason and logic, and scientific truth, and like physics eventually lead to quantum physics so to a 'scientific' (ie. truth and logic based approach WILL lead us to an understanding of consciousness, creation, etc... ie a 'true' metaphysics, but I do agree because it is so subtle and complex it has been taken over, contaminated and the biggest culprit is the Satanic Vatican, the greatest seat of evil on this planet imo.

This is based on my premise that man, a rational being with a volitional consciousness, cannot live without some kind of 'programming' some kind of value system, or philosophy. If we just had the uncontaminated truth, of who we are, where we came from, why we are here, and what we should be doing about it, that could transform the planet. And this btw is why I admire people like Mehran Keshe for surviving this long and making it this far... bless his soul

And great point on Saudi Arabia, don't they suck at the same t*t as the Bushes? For whatever reason they are so in bed with the West it's a joke, and just because they have Mecca, like the Vatican, it is theirs to exploit and milk for every ounce it's worth...

[sigma6]

I see a lot of hatred and bitterness from the writer of the letter, which is odd for an 'instigator of world peace'. I see a lot of vitriol directed against some nations, while another is extolled. This is odd for someone 'under one banner of mankind and not nationhood'. I see so much contradiction that I would suggest a lot of hugs for the writer and some therapy.

If you have been through the hypocritical, propaganda, and having your life's work suppressed for YEARS! being ridiculed and despised, your honour and integrity stepped on like a door mat, from having Universities turning down your scientific thesis (even though you have proven working technologies based on them, what used to be considered the hallmark of scientific endeavour, but instead having good ol' Stephen Hawking stealing it and rewriting his thesis the next day...

...to the threat of being assassinated, poisoned, jailed, and treated like a piece of sh** by the Americans and Canadians, being jailed for 11 days while a bunch of scumbags go through every detail of your personal computer data, while you are trying to raise humanity out of it's sh** eating ways, who are so brainwashed they say things like like Nancy about how 'grateful' we should be for having PTB that sucks out 90% of our labour and energy in exchange for the opportunity to wave a flag at a royal parade, or an Olympic event, I would be a little pissed myself, if not totally postal at that point. His resentment if any is balanced and justified. And I believe he is being 100% accurate for now...

I think he is acting as a liason for Iran in some manner, but at a distance... I think it's called ... ah ... yes that's it... diplomacy... yes, I detect a subtle diplomacy here somewhere... Let's not forget how the US exposed itself as being an incredible a**hole toward Iran and shut the door and locked itself out diplomatically.

It's hard for many to see but bullies are really insecure cowards and if you can get them on a level playing field (as they love to stack the deck...) you will see this fundamental and psychological principle bear itself out every time...

[sigma6]

It's unlikely Israel will make a move on Iran without America to back them up.
Add Russia to the mix who are something like allies to Iran.It's not so one sided as one might think.

Agreed, the US dropped a bomb, as there was no protocol for such a weapon at the time and I think, being the 'opportunists' they were took full advantage of this situation... Since then of course protocols were put in place. In their twisted logic (to my way of thinking) they decided that Nuclear was deterrant by aiming missiles at each other which assured their 'mutually agreed destruction' (I mean this is an insult to any rational thinking living soul... but I believe it was just another cover, an excuse for the US/Russia to build up their armaments in the first place ... another story...) Then Russia pronounced it 'might' use the nuclear option if it felt it was necessary and now I think the US has made a round about on that too... Thus the old game exposed once again... they used our energy and labour, on the grounds of maintaining a sacred trust, which they are now breaching (the highest sin btw in trust law is BREACH of trust)

I think the military talk of the day is how to use 'limited' nuclear strikes to advantage... ie. how to dump sh** in someone elses back yard in order to 'beautify' your own garden... and round and round these 'think tank' discussions must go... lol...

I don't think Israel could pull it off either, I don't think America would back them, because the day they do they would either have the rest of the world finally openly and aggressively against them or they would have to make a play for immediate occupation and military control of the whole planet (and I am sure they think along these lines) which they have just figured out that without the financial leverage the dollar was having on lowering everyone elses standard of living through the banking cabals fraudulent manipulations and without the geopolitical power they were hoping to project with their carriers, fighter jets, and nuclear weapons, their plans are starting to backfire... again this is karma on a global scale, technology is a two edge sword (or should a say scimitar)

[Bo Atkinson]

The war crimes are horrendous so we need to keep awareness alive. To discourage investors in this horrendous psychopathy which runs our world. Cradle to grave industrialized war mongering sold under the name of peace prizes, what gaul they have. So many ways to consider and study this area of psychopathy. Foremost in my mind about it is, that this label, psychopathy, needs to be emphasized, much more than the puppet shows of political natures. Call it like it is, don't get side tracked in political talk. To blog and complain about politics is like whining for a bottle.

Try to express the slightest facts about war-profiteering, to some of the beneficiary-stock-owners, who blithely ignore their karma. Then you kill your income for a year, as a small town, self-made contractor. Been there, done that. By not complaining loosely, solutions can still come from studies. As i prefer thankfulness for the freedom to live in my country peacefully. While simply holding forth, the consciousness of human potentials, for a "community way of knowledge". (See http://www.newknowledgelibrary.org/) . I've been reading a few of these books lately and find them uplifting and would love to discuss any potential relevancy with Dr Keshe's Foundation work. Not that there is any instantaneous starting point. Reality of communities is a very complex topic. Especially when the subjects turns to the origin, the practicality and the destiny of humanity.

A critical mass within our world may already have raised some spiritual awareness. To the point where 'religion' does not always mean psychopathic puppeteering. Puppeteering which placates the masses or mesmerizes them, to take their money. To support the psychopaths on top. This trend is increasingly under the spotlight and i say well done there.

I do not see materialistic freebies as the solution for world peace nor a form of human salvation. In fact i see the energy solution as one of disciplined management in life. A tricky hypnotic of the psychopaths, IMO, has been the banishment of self discipline from the ordinary human's life. I see "free energy" as being yet another "solar rights" issue. Where humans will still have to map out collection-zone claims of some kind. Just as laws now protect solar-collection-rights. (So as not to cast shadows on a neighbor's solar collector, within legal limits). Otherwise, the remaining 'free' options are nuclear in your cellar. Like a politician's campaign speech draws crowds. But would nuclear mining operations ravage mother earth? Would hawkers just manufacture more dismal waste streams and pave paradise?

I do not instantly accept in advance: Dr Keshe's or anyones rational for promoting nuclear medicine. In that i've yet to see how it might "save more lives"-- Save life better than, say alternative medicine. Management of "nuclear waste", or nuclear byproducts, or nuclear recycling, does seem to be a very sensitive issue. Centralized nuclear controls of some kind seem to be the unsolved looming mystery. What if, indeed, sensitive commodities were suddenly, almost magically, producible. Upsetting long standing monopolies, worldwide? I doubt capitalists really want free-enterprise of this unsettling, free-market kind and neither socialists for that matter. I wonder, because mysterious outcomes might kill somebody's income, all of a sudden. Or kill a big department at the central control bureau. Bureaucrats of every persuasion prefer "business as usual". It is the same trick, which has kept psychopaths on top of well-meaning, but unwitting people, for many centuries. Trick 'em with the carrot and the stick.

At the same time, i am glad to see progress where humanity might "work it out". Thanks for all the Avalon posts covering multiple facets of the works of Dr Keshe.

[NancyV]

Normally I wouldn’t comment on a diatribe such as yours, sigma6, but I have a big weakness for nasty men, having been married to 4 of them and still am married to one nasty SOB whom I love dearly. Your efforts went so far beyond the norm and were so delightfully nasty (or “acerbic” if you prefer) that I felt it would be neglectful of me to not say thank you for the laughs. I do appreciate the time and effort you expended to attack me and defend your beliefs even though you have misinterpreted and are continuing to misinterpret what I said through your own filters. But it’s always more fun to make others fit into your beliefs instead of trying to understand what they are actually saying. You’ve done a swell job of that! LOL…



Let’s begin untwisting by deconstructing the misconceptions and false assumptions (imo), at first blush one would guess your on the military payroll (corporate welfare) or have family in the military? or receive some benefit from some military based economic industry. There seems to be a weird slant in there somewhere… I always love it when people reach into the past to make a comparison, in this case though I don’t see the tie in. Unless you are trying to prove how Iran has progressed to become a civilized nation over the last 300 years. Of course that beggers a stark contrast to the UK, like what is their excuse? They have certainly polished a civilized ‘veneer’ but war, and drug trafficking and destabilizing other economies via the banking cartels, or as Max Keiser likes to say "the global headquarters for Banking fraud" still seems to be their modus operandi. So that is an interesting justification for the US corporation’s killing spree, ‘beginner’s rights’…hmmm…. Well I guess they are only human as they test out their killing technologies, while trying to take over the economic resources of other countries… brilliant (not)
To corroborate your guess and give due credit to your intuition, yes I have some minor connection to the military in that 3 of my husbands were military and 1 of the 3 (my present husband) was also a black ops counter terrorist who has been to most of the Middle Eastern countries, including Iran. My son was also in the military. I personally was a DEA undercover contract agent back in the 70’s in Mexico and South America. So I have a viewpoint that is familiar with certain areas of corruption of the US government from my husbands and from my own experience. Speaking of banking fraud I was also married to the owner of a Wall Street firm (a very rich Jew). He educated me on the realities of rampant fraud in the Banks and the markets. I was appalled at the extent of it but glad to finally understand how the whole system is geared to defraud and manipulate people. Unfortunately (or fortunately) when I found out that he truly felt it was normal and right for “smarter” people to take advantage of gullible people, and how much he delighted in using his money to control others, I had to divorce him about a year after we married. But I learned a lot so the experience was valuable.


But make no mistake it's a losing game they are playing... the US was manifesting 50% of world GDP after entering WWII by coming late in the game and using it to their economic advantage... today they are controlling maybe 20% of world GDP... the trend continues... thus why they are instigating a war (it's an outdated and desperate strategy to try and get a 'return' on their investment in military hardware, and it looks like they have bet the farm on it. To this I say look at ancient history, the Romans tried to do the same thing, then it dawned on them. They found a cheaper way. They would use their superior intelligence and use a different force 'deception' they would don the clothing of sheep and become a world power through the hijacking of the followers' of the Way' and impose their institutions on it, it was a long term strategy, but they knew they were nearing extinction, and had to work with what they had left, (their system of empire building sciences, their politics, their legal system all based on their brutal philosophy epitomized in the totally anti-christian saying "Let he who would be deceived, be deceived"
To think that war is “outdated”, as you have said, is wishful thinking at best. One of the problems alternative peace/love type people often seem to have (and I don’t know if you are that type as your words would seem to belie a peace/love stance) is that if they become proponents of peace and love they can often think EVERYONE is suddenly waking up and evolving. They might think no one wants war anymore. No truly sane person ever did want wars unless it was for survival, but governments, dictators and controllers profit from wars. Greedy humans who like control games are found in abundance in governments and they seem to have no problem with wars. As long as this is so, and it has been so throughout history, wars will continue. Sure, certain countries haven’t been engaged in overt wars in decades, but many of those countries are engaged in covert ops and in killing off or controlling their citizens in other creative ways.

So the Romans were brutal. Hopefully you’re not hinting that the Persians were not equally brutal and were only victims. If so, then you need to go back and read some more history. War is a brutal business, period.



So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. You got the world peace part right... and it must sound odd to your ears to hear some other country other then the US threatening another country with death and destruction, but here's the difference. It the US that has their nose up Iran's butt (and everyone else) Iran lives in peace within it's borders. You may not like their bravado, but everyone on this planet has the right to defend themselves. That's why your not supposed to go sticking your nose up everyone's arse... but just like in Roman times, the very thought of even 'challenging' the 'Empire' was evidence that the propaganda was not working and called for an immediate 'response' of military retaliation... tough ti**ies for the US eh...

“Iran lives in peace within its borders”? LOLOLOL… Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas, terrorist groups even by the most liberal of interpretations. They also fund dissident groups in Iraq in order to actively destabilize their government so they will have more influence in the future. Iraq is a valuable prize and Iran would like to have that prize. So by proxy, through funding terrorists, and directly, with their covert agents, Iran is quite active in world affairs and is not “living in peace within its borders”. Of course most of their activities are covert nowadays but they're still active. They also kill many of their own political dissidents within their country and often condemn people to death for crimes that wouldn’t get the death penalty in the nasty, mean USA. Having a “Iran is better than the US” battle is puerile and pointless. All civilizations, tribes and countries have either a brutal past or present. The world has been defined and has evolved through wars.

And before you say that the US has invented the terrorist scenario in order to control people, that’s not actually true. They have exaggerated it and used it to their advantage, but there have always been those who use terror tactics to intimidate and kill. It could be said that the US is using terror tactics in many areas of government and in its relations with other nations. The chem trail program, the DEA and the “war” on drugs, pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, TSA, CIA, NSI, FBI, IRS, SEALS, Special Forces, etc etc. all use terrorism as a tactic upon occasion. Iran also uses terror tactics on it’s own population. So do China, Russia and many other countries with maybe a very few exceptions and to different degrees.


Not sure what you how you can even compare Iran to the US even when you make the transparent attempt to compare Iran 2500 years ago to the US in the last 50. That is a joke. But compared by the last century you have absolutely nothing to stand on... What is your justification for the US having 800 - 1200 military bases around the world? Do you really buy "they're saving the world" BS? Get real.
The US IS on a course of attempting to control the world’s resources and economies, or it LOOKS like it is. It depends on who you think the REAL controllers are. The President and congress and even the military may just be low level puppets. I have no need or desire to defend the US as I only like to look at what’s happening and don’t really care where it leads. Any nationalistic pride I might once have had is long gone, but I do see a lot of hypocrisy in those who criticize one or two countries and ignore others who are equally as repulsive or will be equally brutal when they have the opportunity.


Then you actually admit to the 'veracity' of the US/UK/France Nuclear cartel (all Latin, derived from Western Roman...)
"but I don't KNOW what the facts are" Therefore your ignorance is your justification? (hah!)... another brilliant stroke (lol) Of course I know for many just using one's head and seeing what is in front of one's face is quite a challenge these days (in all seriousness) but nonetheless that is the task at hand my dear.

I only know what others have said and what various news sources report. That is called hearsay. So do I THINK the US is involved in nasty world manipulation, killing lots of people and engaging in power mongering games? YES. Do I know exactly what the details are or who is ultimately pulling the strings? NO. If you think you KNOW all the hidden things that are going on, that’s wonderful. I don’t know. I only have theories and opinions. Even my husbands stories of his involvement in political assassinations, conflict with ET’s at area 51, training groups of insurgents, like the Taliban, who later turn out to be tyrants of the worst kind, and other exploits throughout the 70’s and 80’s…are only his stories. I cannot KNOW if they are true. I like to believe him because the way he told me and how long it took for him to tell me these stories lead me to think he’s recalling powerful memories. Plus he does have a LOT of injuries and scars since he’s been shot, stabbed and injured so many times. He even has whip marks on his back and scars on his feet from being tortured when he was a POW for a couple of weeks in Vietnam. He escaped.

I suppose some would think it’s ignorant to not believe what they believe are established "facts", but I think it is ignorant to think you know the facts because someone has told you something. In fact, ALL of the facts in any given scenario are usually unknowable and there are different lies at every level. Most humans lie…that’s a fact.:p


Bottom line there is a difference by faking your ego has been 'victimized' and then getting your friends to camp around George Mcfly's house and then barging in with guns blazing blowing holes through everyone in sight then stealing all their stuff while claiming you're saving the world and waiting patiently in your living room and blasting the f*** out of a bunch of said outlaws trying to break into said home, even an 8 year old could see that (that's the intellectual age of a moron btw)


He's promoting a New World Order and one world government. I find this equal to what is already going on, just with a different master. Now you are really giving yourself away. Like you honestly don't think any of the readers can't tell the difference between a defensive posture and an aggressive one? Again my only response, get real that is insulting, but let's go there. If you have to go over to someone's house and bang on their door while your friends are all camped around the front lawn, that's aggressive, and if your the guy looking out the window telling them to f*** off (or you will blow their heads off, if necessary), that would be the 'defensive' guy... nuff said

Sometimes you’re the aggressor and sometimes you’re the victim or defender. Such is life. We’ve all played all roles.


If you think you don't like living under the PTB..... Whoa! Whoa! what sneaky baloney 'slider' is this! Have you so lowered your standard? We exist in spite of the PTB. Honey we could have had free energy with Tesla (and who knows how many others) scarcity is a technological mind controlled propaganda... THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT the PTB do... pull your head out right there. That is just too dangerously close to exposing yourself.

You jumped to another misinterpretation there and basically stepped on your dick. But that’s ok, I understand.

There doesn’t have to be a justification for what the PTB do, they simply do it and will undoubtedly keep doing it until they are dead. They’re human, they’re greedy….and they might be controlled by even greater powers that are more negative than your worst nightmares. Even if there’s a revolution, many revolutions end up with those who overthrow the previous powers turning out to be WORSE masters than the old ones they overthrew. Power corrupts. This has been demonstrated time and again over millennia. There’s always some greedy bastard waiting anxiously in line for their chance at power.

Of course free energy has been around for decades and I’ve read about Tesla and other inventors and researchers for many years. One of my decades old passions is “free energy”. No matter how great Keshe’s technology turns out to be I am greatly disappointed that he has made this political threat, strongly hinting that he intends to use HIS inventions as tools of manipulation and intimidation. Not much different than the existing control paradigm. You can make as many excuses for him as you want, but excuses don’t work as justifications for acting as badly as those you hate. It makes you equal to them unless your INTENTIONS remain uncorrupted. Of course I AGREE that you often have to use your enemy’s tactics against them. But the danger is that you may replace a very bad system with one that is worse.



Energy can be and is used as a method of control and apparently "free" energy is Keshe's weapon of choice. It's obvious that it WON'T be free I suggest you read up more on his site and listen to his interviews. He despises those who call it 'free' energy... although I use the term myself... and if he has to sell it, that is only because right now, that is the ONLY way he can get it into the market, thanks to your glorious PTB... as they have tried to stop him every step of the way...

I just can't believe what I read when I see a message like this, I can only guess at your true motives... and wonder...

Another silly misinterpretation and baseless hint that I might have questionable ulterior motives. LOL…. You really do love stepping on it, don’t you?

I’ve read Keshe’s website and listened to his interviews for a very long time now. That’s why I’m surprised at his latest stance with the threats and talks of violence and manipulation. Of course “free” energy doesn’t mean without cost. It only is supposed to mean that it produces more energy than it needs to operate …or it’s over unity, needing no external power source. Besides that it's the commonly accepted term. If it bothers someone...tough.

In conclusion: I am not defending the foreign so called policy of the US. I am saying that anyone who thinks Iran is now or will be in the future or was in the past any BETTER than the US is deluding themselves. If Iran becomes capable of using a nuclear weapon or some powerful weapon as described by Keshe, they will act the same as the US, Russia, China and other countries who have nukes. They will quickly become more powerful tyrants and bullies than they already are. Just because you seem to consider the US to be your enemy, and Iran hates the US, does not make the enemy of your enemy your friend. It is wise to not let hate blind one to the point where you ignore the potential danger from ALL who desire power and control over others.

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This will seem pessimistic, but the countries are determined to control and gain more power by whatever means, a conference and release of technology, probably won't make much difference. They can attend, but they won't listen or act on anything, realistically. Keshe should have released blueprints and plan for the technology long ago, countries will repress it anyway whether brought to the nations directly or not, at the least the US would, others would likely follow up. A fail-safe plan should exist, so if the governments try to withhold anything, everything would be available to the public worldwide. He intends to not release it for everyone to use and not for profit, not got much to lose. If he claims he or his family is threatened, we'll never see it, unless he can find protection somewhere.
It is good of what is intended, peace and technology revealing, but the governments will prefer to do what they want and get what they want, there is only so much one organisation can do against the current governments who are quite domineering and dismissive.

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In conclusion: I am not defending the foreign so called policy of the US. I am saying that anyone who thinks Iran is now or will be in the future or was in the past any BETTER than the US is deluding themselves. If Iran becomes capable of using a nuclear weapon or some powerful weapon as described by Keshe, they will act the same as the US, Russia, China and other countries who have nukes. They will quickly become more powerful tyrants and bullies than they already are. Just because you seem to consider the US to be your enemy, and Iran hates the US, does not make the enemy of your enemy your friend. It is wise to not let hate blind one to the point where you ignore the potential danger from ALL who desire power and control over others.

Unfortunately it is this kind of thinking that drives the USA in its destructive aggression across the world.

I look at the following and perhaps begin to understand why so much distorted thinking is needed to justify why the USA has to protect itself from the huge threat that Iran poses (and by the way, there is NO evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons):

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/11/157596/military-spending-doubled-since-2001/?mobile=nc

http://mercatus.org/publication/worlds-top-military-spenders-us-spends-more-next-top-14-countries-combined

I live in a country where armed burglaries are a part of everyday life. In this context it is reasonable for me to protect myself with burglar bars and security gates (and the wealthy have security guards and high walls and electric fencing and so on). But it is not reasonable for me to go out in an armoured car with a weapon and intimidate and attack every person I come across who looks supicious (every day I cross paths with a person who fits the profile of the criminals who commit these crimes, but I have no right to assume that the person is going to do me harm). But what I see is the USA behaving in just such a way and using distorted thinking to justify this behaviour as self defence.

[danceblackcatdance]

am wondering if Keshe is speaking on behalf of Iran or the Foundation... might think thats pointless distinction, but surely any official statement from country itself would come from the gov / military?

:)

ps. also.. OT but isn't Hamas is now a legal 'government' not a 'terrorist group', so isn't anything they do is legit, just like any other country's warmongering gov?

[sigma6]

... but I have a big weakness for nasty men, having been married to 4 of them and still am married to one nasty SOB whom I love dearly. Your efforts went so far beyond the norm and were so delightfully nasty (or “acerbic” if you prefer) that I felt it would be neglectful of me to not say thank you
Wow, that sounds kinky, I don't know whether to get sucked into that trap or run... but I guess I wasn't far off when I said ‘twisted’ either... but you called it not me, so each to his own... I am trying not imagine the toys in your house... (ouch!)


I do appreciate the time and effort you expended to attack me and defend your beliefs even though you have misinterpreted and are continuing to misinterpret what I said through your own filters.
Let me guess you really meant the opposite of what you were really saying?... like double speak?... I do like your tactical maneuver here, laying the premise that you are the 'victim being attacked'... but I would call that 'projecting' at best...


To corroborate your guess and give due credit to your intuition, yes I have some minor connection to the military in that 3 of my husbands were military...My son was also in the military. I personally was a DEA undercover contract agent back in the 70’s in Mexico and South America.
mmm... don't you just love being nailed... but I do admire your straight up acknowledgement, accolades are my vitamins... so I will take the point... However you do realize that completely validates my point? you are steeped in mind control propaganda... swimmin' in it... lets face it, the US military is the number one purveryor of mind control propaganda on this planet, that is being part of the problem, aiding and abetting the parasitical organism that is the corporate government


I have a viewpoint that is familiar with certain areas of corruption of the US government from my husbands and from my own experience. Speaking of banking fraud I was also married to the owner of a Wall Street firm (a very rich Jew). He educated me on the realities of rampant fraud in the Banks and the markets. I was appalled at the extent of it but glad to finally understand how the whole system is geared to defraud and manipulate people.
regardless that you divorced him, you must see how contaminating it is to be exposed to this much corruption... but again I applaud your candidness. As some might think I am 'exaggerating' or being overly 'cynical' when I say the government, military, courts and the police are a form or crime syndicate, that they are in fact the source and instigators of most the crime in the world to begin with, really just the one side of a coin with the street crime syndicates they interact with and control on the other side... so I thank you for that... as it may be more believable for others to hear it from you than me…


To think that war is “outdated”, as you have said, is wishful thinking at best.
I didn't say war is outdated, but that their strategy is... I mean come on they have been pulling this sh** for centuries going back to 'freeing the slaves' the world isn't eating this stuff up like they used to, no one is 'licking' the bowl any more... Their strategy of maintaining technological superiority is hitting an economic 'diminishing returns' Other countries are building defensive measures, and developing their own intel, and are now understanding the level of criminality and depravity that you are so 'at home' with... the 'con' doesn't work the same when everyone is on to you...


One of the problems alternative peace/love type people often seem to have (and I don’t know if you are that type...
Obviously you don't, and I am even hurt given my 'words' you would even think that! and I can't help but wonder at your use of the phrase "peace/love type people" lol... you make them sound so... 'detached' from reality... so 'peacy/lovey' (sorry, couldn't help myself)


Greedy humans who like control games are found in abundance in governments and they seem to have no problem with wars.
again I am surprised that you would admit to this... but what does that make you and yours? dare I call it? part of the problem? hypocrites? sell outs? Judas'? hey, if that's the deal here's $50 bucks I want you to steal that old ladies purse and shake down that store owner (hey somebodies gotta do it, why not us eh) stick around chump... Look all this is rather circular logic, self supporting rationalizations, and operate on the assumption people will always be ignorant and thus vulnerable to these attacks… what you’re not getting is we have technology today that has probably never existed before in history, like the internet, that’s a big game changer, you know it, I know it, US psyops propaganda is having a greater and greater difficulty maintaining all their mind control propaganda, each false flag unravels faster then the last… the pattern is clear… people are clearly becoming more aware of what is going on and the PTB/US/Anglo/NWO, blah blah are losing face and influence every day… and it will continue…


Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas, terrorist groups
Is that what military 'types' (ie. non peace/love types...) call them? The French underground during the German occupation would have been called the same thing 'terrorists',,, the trick to this word game is from whose point of view are you speaking, in order to project the necessary context... yawn...


Iraq is a valuable prize...
No, no, no, no!!! that is those nasty SOB's (and jew banker buddy) talking their trash again, and I don't doubt their handlers speak the same slant... Iraq IS NOT ANYONE's prize, they are a group of men, women, children, husbands, wives, grandfathers, and grandmothers, brothers and sisters... and they have every right to live in peace and security and to develop their own resources like you and I... That is what I mean by mind control, do you see how it desensitizes you to the suffering of other human beings? and builds that callous scab over your heart? There are people living in pain and anguish over there, just so Bush and his buddies can make some coin to buy their Parquay property in South America and pull the same sh** all over again...


And before you say that the US has invented the terrorist scenario in order to control people, that’s not actually true.
That would be giving them too much credit, they didn't invent it any more then they invented money backed by nothing... but I will take Nick Rothschild word for it, if he says they are going to create an endless war on terror, why question it? That a simple one follow the money...


They have exaggerated it and used it to their advantage, but there have always been those who use terror tactics to intimidate and kill. It could be said that the US is using terror tactics in many areas of government and in its relations with other nations. The chem trail program, the DEA and the “war” on drugs, pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, TSA, CIA, NSI, FBI, IRS, SEALS, Special Forces, etc etc. all use terrorism as a tactic upon occasion.
Again you called it, not me, and I thank you for that, because this is a benefit for all those sad souls that think the government is looking after their interests (they are looking after their interests) that courts are 'just' (they are stealing our credit in a trust manipulation bond scam) that the police serve and protect (their crime syndicate operations) etc, etc... so I couldn't have said it better, bless you...


Iran also uses terror tactics on it’s own population. So do China, Russia and many other countries with maybe a very few exceptions and to different degrees.
I would say your missing the point, this is why the US makes me want to puke with their self serving righteousness, it's the same arrogance that brought down the Roman empire (well at least the overtly projected military culture, since they decided to become 'Holy') This is paramount to saying that the US doesn't have the right to be going into anybody’s backyards as they are not only not morally superior, but they are down right despicable hypocrites in this department whiffing in the fumes of their own BS, not realizing that everyone is on to them. The jig is up, the con is exposed. You’re again corroborating everything I am saying!


The US IS on a course of attempting to control the world’s resources and economies, or it LOOKS like it is. It depends on who you think the REAL controllers are. The President and congress and even the military may just be low level puppets
No question, they are puppets, how many times do we hear whistleblowers with more clearance then the president, it's embarrassing, Area 51 janitors probably have higher clearance then the president, they made a wise decision allowing entertainers and actors into politics, where else could they find such qualified employees... You know the deal. You got the Vatican (mind control through religion), the inner city of London, (Freemason HQ of the planet) and the BAR that all lawyers have been ‘admitted’ to, which controls the money and banks where they manipulate the LIBOR rates that screws over every single person on the planet.... and the Washington DC... all three are separate legal entities that operate as independent sovereign states outside of the physical geography of the countries they are physically located on... they don't pay taxes they vacuum siphon in the taxes from other countries around the world... It's the number one Satanic global crime syndicate on the planet...


I have no need or desire to defend the US as I only like to look at what’s happening and don’t really care where it leads.
Well that's exactly how one let's themselves be controlled by another, if you aren't guiding the wind in your sails in the sea of commerce, rest assured someone has already commandeered your ship...



Any nationalistic pride I might once have had is long gone, but I do see a lot of hypocrisy in those who criticize one or two countries and ignore others who are equally as repulsive or will be equally brutal when they have the opportunity
OK, now you are warming up... yes, now that is speaking my language... nationalism itself is the con... it's like cheering for different basketball uniforms (Seinfeld had it right) but we can still make relative and comparative statements... so the US is still in the doghouse


I only know what others have said and what various news sources report. That is called hearsay. So do I THINK the US is involved in nasty world manipulation, killing lots of people and engaging in power mongering games? YES. Do I know exactly what the details are or who is ultimately pulling the strings? NO. If you think you KNOW all the hidden things that are going on, that’s wonderful. I don’t know. I only have theories and opinions. Even my husbands stories of his involvement in political assassinations, conflict with ET’s at area 51, training groups of insurgents, like the Taliban, who later turn out to be tyrants of the worst kind, and other exploits throughout the 70’s and 80’s…are only his stories. I cannot KNOW if they are true. I like to believe him because the way he told me and how long it took for him to tell me these stories lead me to think he’s recalling powerful memories. Plus he does have a LOT of injuries and scars since he’s been shot, stabbed and injured so many times. He even has whip marks on his back and scars on his feet from being tortured when he was a POW for a couple of weeks in Vietnam. He escaped.
Well I hope you would be able to know if your own nasty SOB of a husband was telling you the truth or not, now this is the meat and potatoes, you could have cut to the chase and got to the good stuff a long time ago... I hate to say it but I am now starting to empathize with you... of course no one knows everything, but I do use common sense, logic, deduction, reason, consensus, I try to collect as much data, (7000 video files alone ) heck even this wonderful little diddy with you has given me some nice confirmations and insights... ok, I take it back you are not a troll... ok there, I said it...


I suppose some would think it’s ignorant to not believe what they believe are established "facts", but I think it is ignorant to think you know the facts because someone has told you something. In fact, ALL of the facts in any given scenario are usually unknowable and there are different lies at every level. Most humans lie…that’s a fact.
Awww, do I detect a shred of humanity under all that hubris? I'll bet we could have alot of fun at a party, mind you I'd be keeping a close eye on my drink... hehe, ok so now we know where each stands, I don't believe in anything the government or their lackies do today, nor do I believe in the legal system, hell I don't even believe much of the biblical code any more... but I do believe in the fundamental principle of truth as a means of reference, and learning and for developing oneself. But that is another topic. So in fact you know your right, I like what Socrates said "I know nothing" something worth pondering...

So what I want to know is .... why can't we all just love each other and be friendzzzzz!!!?? waaaaahhhhhh LOL thanks Nance that was sorta fun... (scratching my head and pouring another drink ;)

[sigma6]

am wondering if Keshe is speaking on behalf of Iran or the Foundation... might think thats pointless distinction, but surely any official statement from country itself would come from the gov / military?
:)
ps. also.. OT but isn't Hamas is now a legal 'government' not a 'terrorist group', so isn't anything they do is legit, just like any other country's warmongering gov?

I think I am really enjoying this thread! your hitting on some good points blackcat, it is kinda pointless, bottom line is he is of Iranian descent, so I don't think he is against his own people but he is clearly no stranger to western influence, (a rather ideal candidate for a diplomat I might add...) remember that the US and Iran have that special relationship... ie. they 'HATE' each other... and closed their diplomatic ties... that always makes communication 'interesting'

and your ps even hits on something better... what is legal?... if you check out the definition in a 'legal' dictionary I'd bet you'd be surprised, that is why as agnostic as I am I don't knock the bible, because it plays a part, not what people think it is, but it is a reference of law, morality, history, literature, and according to Winston Shrout (the guy who consulted with Keaton on the liens being placed against the UN and other countries as per David Wilcock's incredible expose based on his communications and research of Benjamin Fulford's intel... it is also a system that explains how we can interact in commerce! and the whole book itself is a form of a trust.

I think between the 'Christians' they were 'taking over' and their own pagan religion, they kinda put the 'Christians' in a legal 'box' but had to leave a key (as trustee requirement for administrating their Christian 'constitution') so that if they could figure it out they could escape from the 'box' and be free (ie. being 'Christian meant being beholden only to God - free from any human master, from the 'common law' all men are equal BEFORE the law) otherwise they were 'presumed' to be just another Roman 'citizen' (form of slave, employee, officer, etc)... The Roman system is the matrix, and Jim Morrison may have hit on it when he said "no one gets out of here alive... "

(it's quite a little gem, isn't it... those Romans... and their Roman jurisdiction, what the hell were they really up to?) This btw is related to the ritual that goes on in courts, when they fight over the only thing that Bill Cooper ever said was the real stake which is 'jurisdiction' Roman, commercial, admiralty courts don't have jurisdiction over men/women who stand in the kingdom of God (another jurisdiction) mind you, unfortunately easier said then done...

But yeah, legal is not the same as moral... it starts there then gets twisted to whatever it's corporate masters want it to be... Legal, moral... legal is more like rules, and regulations, (also known as statutes, which people mistake for 'real' laws and they are NOT, statutes are 'corporate policies' of a corporatized government and moral is more like fundamental universal right and wrong, it's based in principles... and is closer to the true definition of what used to be called common law... does that make sense? (sorry I just came off a long 'response' to Nancy, and I'm on 'auto type' ....):o

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im enjoying this thread too, as always thx for all the sharing of info & experience...

i only mentioned before because what gives Keshe the right to speak about defending Iran? am sure he wouldn't be against his own people, but is his an 'official' statement on behalf of the country i wonder... it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?

yep, i'm aware of legalese and strawman / incorporated countries thingy, been looking into that recently... there is a huge difference between moral and legal of course, and whilst i would say i'm agnostic too we are supposedly all equal under God's (or common) law..

:)

http://www.inminds.com/sept27-03-chalk-3.jpg

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Awesome pic danceblackcatdance!


it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?

More like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend/attack another country on behalf of Germany while living in the USA.

Seems like Keshe is falling down the rabbit hole of politics and becoming unhinged in the process. If his invention really does work and really does provide free energy (I have calculated that if I switched to his energy the cost to me would be more than ten-fold what I am paying now) then why does he not go to a poor country and convert that country to using his energy inventions and thus quietly and practically proving that it works?

[danceblackcatdance]

Awesome pic danceblackcatdance!


it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?

More like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend/attack another country on behalf of Germany while living in the USA.

yes, i stand corrected :)


Seems like Keshe is falling down the rabbit hole of politics and becoming unhinged in the process. If his invention really does work and really does provide free energy (I have calculated that if I switched to his energy the cost to me would be more than ten-fold what I am paying now) then why does he not go to a poor country and convert that country to using his energy inventions and thus quietly and practically proving that it works?

its more than just free energy... seems he's proposing 'star trek' with a global energy / transportation / pollution revolution alongside a medical / pharmaceutical one too (claiming to be able to reset the body's energy fields against disease) and not to mention he can create foodstuff material from 'out of the cosmos' (as i understand) and well as water... he's got a torch that runs on 'thin air' for the last 2 years without turning off.... unless he's lying of course..

maybe i've been watched too many movies and my imagination / mind has been duped, my brother was vehement that this is all 'crackpot nonsense'...

anyway, we don't really know whats going on here... all i can see is that the Belgian authorities are blocking his work as are the Americans, so somebody is sh*t scared of what will change if this stuff is released... no smoke w/out fire as they say :becky:

maybe Jean-Luc can shed some more light as he has met the man....

[Jean-Luc]

Here is what Merhan's Keshe has to say on religions, nationalism, sport, war and mankind.

He is answering a forum's question he was asked: "Do you trust the ayatollahs, mullahs, and Ahmadijenad in Iran?"



We have trusted pops, rabbis and imams for centuries and men and women have laid their lives in the path of belief in one god but in different names.

May be the time has arrived for the human race to trust in his own belief of unity of the mankind and bring through by individual actions the unity of the name of the god too.

At this moment of time the imams name and the name of Mohamed (god’s peace on his soul) is used to create war as to suit the war making apparatuses of the different nations.

May be we have to ask why Italy had to sell so much mines to another country at discounted rate and who has paid the balance and what was the ultimate goal behind this ungodly action.

Is the blood of the pope, chief rabbi, Indian high priests and the holy Islamic religious leaders of any sect, redder than the rest of human race!

Surely the answer is NO.

That one day soon, these leaders of the beliefs in god can all unite under one roof of the earth to thank the creator for their position and they become servants to the human race and not to be served by the rest of the human race.

The true men of god deep inside all know that there is only one god on earth but with different bank accounts for each one name and the path of worshiping of god has become the dance party of the rich to see who has the better clothes and more money in the bank.

Does belief in god and serving mankind become the beauty contest of religions; I have asked myself so many times.

So mankind is in truth the one and the same, does not matter where he or she was given the physicality of his appearance.

So that the location and the method of worshiping the creator should become the essence of unity and not the source of division for harm, as has become fashionable in the past centuries in man’s life on this planet.

So let us through this new technology not only bring unity in science, but unity in belief and religions, that we leave and give no excuses for no nation or house of worship to use the difference to start another atrocity on this planet.

Let the new tool of science become the new true tool of peace, even though some might not like it to start with but soon they will see the advantages of the unity of the man, as now that we have opened space to man, that men of religion and the leaders of these small pieces of the lands of so called nations on earth will see solidarity in unity of mankind will be to his benefit, than the division and demise of man on earth and in space and in the universal community from now on.

What has been interesting to me in the past week as has been pointed out to me, is that how feeble man is, as we do not appraise the sports’ man talent, but we glorify the place of the birth or the flag of the area of the birth of the man in the Olympics’ of today.

I wonder with and how the Olympians will show their talents in the near future as the body of man has reached the position of using and retaining superiority through the new understanding of universal operation of fields.

It is interesting to see and ask why the cloths of the armed uniformed men is needed to raise the flag of the nation of the better performance and not the music of the choice of the winner without the flag that need the uniform of the armed men to be shown in arena of the sport.

Unless war has been behind the back of the mind of the organizers of the event, to show even sport is controlled through arms too.

In fact it is shameful on the organizers of sports event to bring cloths of war in the arena of sport unless there is an agenda for mixing sport and arm.

Maybe man is not mature enough to see the unity of his race as his strength and as the ultimate tool of the peace in his homeland of the earth as of yet.

Division to rule is the work of the incompetent and feeble men and with this technology we have given the strength of the unity of the mankind to all its citizen’s, and not in the hand of a few as before, even though some like a child will jump up and down for a while to get their cookies back which they have stolen from others.

Thus the question is that would the situation and the change in the names of religion, religious leaders and national leaders would have made any difference in the real intension of the triad of the axis of evils works, or all this is a cover for any different order of collection of alphabets of names and religion for the same evil intentions?

O son man; Be wise in unity of the mankind as men of god have to serve in truth for the man to reach to the ultimate goal of peace and unity.

It is not for religious and national leaders to use their temporary positions for the division of the mankind, unless their position and titles is bigger than and is for the servitude of the human race.

By the real work of real men of god the mankind will see the race of the man to achieve the ultimate goal of unity and peace on earth and with all religions on this planet and beyond as one

http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2615&sid=1f468ba020b734933991405e65f952ec&start=10

[Kindred]

Here is what Merhan's Keshe has to say on religions, nationalism, sport, war and mankind.

He is answering a forum's question he was asked: "Do you trust the ayatollahs, mullahs, and Ahmadijenad in Iran?"





May be the time has arrived for the human race to trust in his own belief of unity of the mankind and bring through by individual actions the unity of the name of the god too.

By the real work of real men of god the mankind will see the race of the man to achieve the ultimate goal of unity and peace on earth and with all religions on this planet and beyond as one

http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2615&sid=1f468ba020b734933991405e65f952ec&start=10

THIS is what I had expected to see from him from the start... a man much like Tesla, who Knew 'what he hath wrought'

In Unity, Peace and Love

[sigma6]

I didn't know he was being blocked in Belgium, so that could have all been a set up, or they got 'squeezed' or 'bribed'... interesting... I felt that it was too good to be true... (ie. not his invention, but his ability to start releasing it for public use...) Some country has got to step forward and accept him and his technology and if it is as good as he says, maybe they could use it to build something to defend themselves...

What citizens of any country wouldn't want to free themselves from having to dig up carbon based fuels or import it from another country at the cost of billions of dollars and move to a new higher standard of living? We are being dragged into an economic depression as a tactical maneuver by the PTB so that they can continue to maintain their parasitic control over our labor and production. This is the real war. And as usual everyone is just running faster and faster on their treadmills.

[Fredenit]

Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology? Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology? Or is it this Foundation wants to wave the red flag at the tormented psychotic bull called the Western Powers of dominance.

What is more to the point, it is well known by now, the world is engaged in an Alien Intervention which will have catastrophic repercussions for Humanity if they pull it off. The Keshe Foundation in all reality seems to be speaking more for causing war and bloodshed than stopping it. Also if Iran has all this

well advanced technology, why are they so busy with Nuclear Power!! Something does not add up, I thought the people on this Forum were sound thinkers and could grasp the reality of situations, I feel there needs a lot more thought put into this than has previously been put to it.


Enlightenment is not being able to see the picture, but to see through the illusion in front of it.

[mrfixitrick]

Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology? Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology?

Great thread! Here is some of the evidence I have grokked from transcribing Keshe Foundation videos...

According to MT Keshe, he was raised in a house where radioactivity was a common topic. He became a Nuclear Engineer at Queen Mary College, University of London specializing in reactor controls. He became disillusioned with the nuclear bureaucracy, and ended up doing independent research and experimentation. He has been working on gravity and energy ideas for over 30 years, as have several organizations...he just happened to be the first to discover the practical gravity and power applications. He emphasizes that he is an engineer, not a theorist or physicist, and that he builds what he conceives. His plasma reactors apparently operate similar to the rotating plasma-magnetic fields of the Earth's core.

There is a couple of international patents applied for... Micro Plasma Reactor (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=EP&NR=1770715A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20070404&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP) ...Shows a miniature power supply that will last more than 5 years without refuelling.

and, "Gravitational and Energy System" (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070404&CC=EP&NR=1770717A1&KC=A1)
This patent is well over 100 pages long, and shows many Gravity and Energy applications.(click on "Description", in the patent links above, to read about them)

Keshe has published three books in 2009-2011, with several more promised in the next year or two.
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/shop/category/view/1

I have personally heard from someone who works at the Keshe Foundation that the plasma-treated water used for healing is quite potent, and seems to work. Keshe is focussing on health applications as a means of gaining acceptance of his multi-facetted plasma-based technology.

The amazing physics that Keshe speaks of are hinted of, in other sources, if one digs deeply. For example, the coating of carbon nano particles in his passive "CocaCola" plasma chambers, seems related to papers I have seen on plasma deposition of nano-carbon. Also, his description of counter-rotating magnetic fields generating gravity are similar to US patent #6417597,
for a Gravitational Wave generator issued in 2002 (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat6417597.pdf)

Aside from emotional outbursts, and cries of "scam", I have yet to find anyone seriously questioning or criticizing the basis of Keshe's ideas and inventions. On the other hand, we have yet to see a working demo from him that generates power or shows flight.

One thing is for sure...we are certainly lucky to live in such interesting times!!

[Jean-Luc]

Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology? Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology?

Question 1: From lateral thinking. As far as I understand, M. Keshe has always been at odds with the core physics he was being taught at school & university from a relatively early age. While becoming a regular nuclear engineer (London university), he has kept digging in his initial intuition ever since.

Question 2: Just hints, no absolute proof,

(a) This paper: www.keshefoundation.com/pdfs/CO2_paper.pdf: the creation of liquid and solid CO2... at room temperature and atmospheric pressure.

(b) The very interesting results the Keshe Foundation has been obtaining for the last 3 years in the field of health, in particular in many "desperate" cases of neurological diseases and coma, with a however apparently very simple treatment: ingestion of water and/or inhalation of air that have been treated with a plasma processor specifically adapted to the patient's profile and pathology. http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/applications/medical. I have personally met several of these patients.

(c) The (still officially unexplained) success of the capture of a US drone in Nov 2012 over Iran: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/keshe-news/185-was-us-spy-drone-captured-by-iranian-flying-saucer-pesncom-part-i

So no bulletproof proof. Just hints... Serious hints. Hints that are backed by several international patents (as a protection against fraud & robbery), 3 very interesting books, several more books to come (apparently as free PDF) and a firm willingness to pass on the knowledge in a non for profit perspective.

Hopefully a new demonstration to come will help more people feel more confident with the reality of the technology.

To be continued...

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Post udapte : links repaired

[danceblackcatdance]

he shows the CO2 as a liquid and solid at room temp in the video on this page (as well as the air powered torch)
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/video-presentions/220-about-the-keshe-foundation

[Fredenit]

I would like to say thanks to,

danceblackcatdance, / Jean-Luc, / mrfixitrick.

for the information supplied and I must confess, there is more to the Keshe Foundation than I first realised.

Jean-Luc, two of the links you supplied could not be found :- (a ) ( c ) but in all the information was of value.

But why is Iran still following the Nuclear Power program when they have the advanced technology that is being proclaimed?

Why does the Keshe Foundation have the disclaimers on its web site if all that it says is factual.

I am a realist, and to that end I only take on board truth and reality, as mrfixitrick says at the end of his post, quote ( on the other hand we have yet to see a working demo from him that generates power or shows light ) and that is after five years of registering his patents on the 04-04-2007.

What I will say is that I am not calling the Keshe Foundation a scam and by no means am I debunking his work, BUT and it is a big BUT with lateral thinking and careful investigating, we will find there is far more to Mr. Keshe than is being displayed, I feel it an error to accept what he is saying as truth.

There is an Alien Intervention going on at this moment, and the technology that is coming from Mr. Keshe is way out of our time zone, unless of cause he also is not from this Planet.

I will have no more to say on this issue except that the New Message from God internet site :- http://newmessage.org will give you all the answers you will ever require about the Alien Intervention, Go look and learn about the Truth.

[Jean-Luc]

But why is Iran still following the Nuclear Power program when they have the advanced technology that is being proclaimed?

Here is Merhan Keshe's (partial) answer :


There are references in the forum and on the internet about the present situation with nuclear technology of Iran.

First of all the Iranian nuclear program is over fifty years old and Iran will carry on with Irans' work in parallel with all other works in the world of nuclear ,the like of Iran participation in research environment of CERNS in Switzerland and so forth.

Secondly Iran spaceship program is a new development for the nation as only on 8.3.2011 Iran announced that they have spaceship program.

Where, this is still a begining development for all its applications and to complete the whole understanding of the new SSP; I think this will take the mankind at least about a thousand years to may be understand about 10 % of the whole intelligence of the technology.

Thus Iran SSP and nuclear research will go hand-in-hand as full knowledge of nuclear materials has not even being understood by US, neither Russians nor Iran.

Thus, when one puts the question if Iran has SSP, why they need their nuclear program, this shows primarily the lack of the understanding of the working of science by the questioner.

In respect to the question that by Iran having the SSP program, then one become a superpower and can use it to destroy other nations, this again shows the play game of the media men to sensationalize to have more to sell their papers and sites.

As I have said before and repeat it again;

The destruction power of the technology of this new discovery is so horrendous that the nations of the world will come to accept it not of choice but the fear of their inhalation.

Thus peace has eluded man for centuries by developments of more and more devastating technologies, that one nation could rule the other by use of these new weapons.

This time with all nations possessing exactly the same tools, they all know that the devastation is so unimaginable that no one dares to try, so fear of lose become the deterrent and tool of peace. As we have seen with the nuclear race weapon technology of the cold-war, which it was never used but enforced peace in Europe for the last part of the past century in Europe.

We have left it to men of intelligence and power too long to bring peace and prosperity on this earth, and it did not happen, no we give the man the toll of self-destructions and see if he dares to use it to destroy everything the race of the man has worked for.

Peace has been the imaginary dream of paradise of the man, and now that it is at his grasp, he will not be allowed to reject it, but man will embrace it to achieve more beyond the boundary of the blue planet.

http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2615&start=10

I am personnaly not fully satisfied/convinced with this. I have asked the following questions on the Keshe Foundation's forum:

About the pursuit of nuclear energy projects worldwide

Despite public concern with respect to the Fukushima crisis, as far as I see and if nothing changes, inertia, resistance to change, conflicts of interest and maximisation of profits will apparently – and sadly enough – lead to the building of many more nuclear power stations worldwide, as reported by the nuclear lobby in the media shortly after the accident.

Even if according to your own words, SPP is currently partially understood, it is my understanding that, in comparison with traditional alternative energy sources such as e.g. solar or wind, SPP seems to have far more potential – right away – to be in a position to refrain mankind to further put its children at risk with the development of hundred's of more nuclear power stations. What in your view would be the time frame for such a change (hopefully less than 100 years, which is the time frame for the non-sense nuclear fusion ITER project)?

About the new deterrence strategy

You seem to imply that SPP will basically replace today’s nuclear deterrence strategy with the difference that instead of lying in the hands of some five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus a handful of others, it would now be shared by all nations worldwide, whatever the term “nation” means today and tomorrow. Eyebrows lifting a little bit...

To most people, this will sound like this: instead of giving the matches to 10 guests to a party held in a hay barn with closed doors and no emergency exit – however unfair some of these guests might be – the matches are now given to all 200 guests. Is the comparison farfetched? Is Humanity ready for such a leap forward? I have the feeling that many ambassadors at the September Peace Reunion might not like the idea so much. How do we go about this major issue?

I would add that to most officials, this prospect will seem so much beyond belief (i.e. much more than the very prospect of new alternative energy sources SPP is offering as some sort of side product) and terrible, and will create so much cognitive dissonance, that they will simply discard the very idea and probably consider you as some mythomaniac, even when they are shown a demonstration. Once again, how do we go about this? Tough questions.

Awaiting a reply....

[sigma6]

This will seem pessimistic, but the countries are determined to control and gain more power by whatever means, a conference and release of technology, probably won't make much difference. They can attend, but they won't listen or act on anything, realistically. Keshe should have released blueprints and plan for the technology long ago, countries will repress it anyway whether brought to the nations directly or not, at the least the US would, others would likely follow up. A fail-safe plan should exist, so if the governments try to withhold anything, everything would be available to the public worldwide. He intends to not release it for everyone to use and not for profit, not got much to lose. If he claims he or his family is threatened, we'll never see it, unless he can find protection somewhere.
It is good of what is intended, peace and technology revealing, but the governments will prefer to do what they want and get what they want, there is only so much one organisation can do against the current governments who are quite domineering and dismissive.

By releasing it to all the major governments of the world, someone is going to crack, it's the same thing that used to exist with the Oil Cartels, there was always one country willing to sell below the 'agreed' price cause they needed the extra cash. Sooner or later one country is going to break through the 'glass' ceiling of terror being imposed by the US/Anglo/NWO Hegemony. And there is no question each country that has the means is working on prototypes as we speak. Maybe that is all Keshe was hoping for, while his own individual efforts thankfully are still pointed at the little guy and act more as a sounding board to let the world know it IS OUT THERE. (as there are still people too mentally blocked to believe it, even on this site apparently...)

I think I agree with you, the governments, as corrupt and depraved as they are, insulated from reality by trillions of dollars of taxpayer funds will never release the technology until they have no choice. But that will happen as soon as enough people pull their heads out of their arses and realize we don't have to 'pay' anything just to be alive on this planet. Work to contribute and serve others, yes, 'pay' no, the word is too connotative of the existing banking system fraud, which everyone is beginning to figure out is nothing more then an elaborately complex pyramid scam designed to slowly, inexorably, extract all the wealth and energy of anyone participating in it. This is a mathematical fact, similar to the same principles applied in a casino.

Sooner or later one country will come forward, these PTB are losing control, something is going to come forward with the support of their government and present this technology to the world and when they do they will be heralded as a hero among nations. A true saviour to their people. Japan was almost there, but they didn't put it into an international spotlight and draw enough attention to what they were really doing, thus they got stabbed in the back with the fake tsunami, before they could get it off the ground. Interestingly, there were similar stories coming out of New Zealand and Australia and they seemed to have been 'hit' too... coincidence? I don't think so...

Everyone is still caught up with "how is the world going to continue to survive, if we don't give all our money to the government to build 'roads and hospitals' and have the rest of it sucked up by banks and their various schemes, how can the world function without digital computers keeping track of paper money that is printed based on financial formulas that have completely lost touch with reality, whose sole hidden purpose ALL ALONG was to draw away everyone else's labour and production... Well guess what! - the world will survive quite EASILY... just take the existing system, subtract the huge parasite that is drawing off 90% of the wealth from the system and voila, just as Benjamin Fulford accurately stated you would have an economic boom overnight practically... the economic downturn in the world is ORCHESTRATED!!! That's like saying how are we going to be safe in the streets unless each street vendor doesn't pay a bunch of thugs half their till every week... Americans (and many other countries around the world) have been living so long with corruption and organized crime they can no longer differentiate it from anything else, I don't even know if there is anything else in the government to compare it to....

[Jean-Luc]

By releasing it to all the major governments of the world, someone is going to crack, it's the same thing that used to exist with the Oil Cartels, there was always one country willing to sell below the 'agreed' price cause they needed the extra cash. Sooner or later one country is going to break through the 'glass' ceiling of terror being imposed by the US/Anglo/NWO Hegemony. And there is no question each country that has the means is working on prototypes as we speak. Maybe that is all Keshe was hoping for,...



You hit the mark. This is more or less what he told the audience in a recent lecture at the Keshe Foundation Center in Ninove, Belgium.


Everyone is still caught up with "how is the world going to continue to survive, if we don't give all our money to the government to build 'roads and hospitals' and have the rest of it sucked up by banks and their various schemes, how can the world function without digital computers keeping track of paper money that is printed based on financial formulas that have completely lost touch with reality, whose sole hidden purpose ALL ALONG was to draw away everyone else's labour and production... Well guess what! - the world will survive quite EASILY... just take the existing system, subtract the huge parasite that is drawing off...

Not sure about the 90% but agreeing on the parasite concept.

Voltaire, who among some interesting views... also messed up and made a fortune with the sales of military equipement to the State, wrote :

"Un pays bien organisé est celui où le petit nombre fait travailler le grand nombre, est nourri par lui, et le gouverne. ”


i.e. "A well-organized country is one where the few have the many to work, gets nourished by them, and governs them."

[9eagle9]

XerXes.

Iran as its sole entity is part of what is formerly known as Persia, which once included Iraq. There isn't a whole lot that culturally separated Iran and Iraq save that Iraq attempted to become a secular nation in a rather brutal way. After S. Hussein was taken out of the equation the West got a wake up call as to what sort of fire his brutal rule was attempting to keep a lid on. There was no other way to contain the hostility of five different variants of Islam save for having an iron fist. (this is not putting a stamp of approval on Husseins rule...it just is what it was)

You can't reason with extremists who are culturally, religiously and familial-y programmed, not to mention this sort of programming has altered them genetically.

Why? That's why. Even people who have not had hundreds of years of this sort of insular programming are impossible to reason with.

Flip over to this side of the pond. Is attempting to communicate with extreme Islam who has hundreds of years of religious, cultural and family programming any different than attempting to rationally speak to those people who are bound up in contemporary religions like GFL adherence? Or Christian extremists?

No you can't be rational with them.


When we speak of Muslims we are not speaking of the people we co-habit here with in the US, we are talking about extremists who live in an extreme culture, based on an extreme distortion of the religion--literally raised from childhood to be steeped in hatred of anything that didn't toe the line with their extreme religious distortion.

Persia as a whole has been involved in many wars and conquests, until the single entity divided into countries that basically had squabbling amongst themselves about how extreme one could be in their extreme religious distortion. Persians of both persuasions have been engaging in warfare against each other, their own people, and their own religion for decades now. If you took the West out of the equation, they'd still continue to war with each other. That area of the Middle East has been at war with each other or the West since time out of mind. There may not be an official label or offensive or defensive action slapped on these wars ...
they exist and they have since Biblical times.




completely ignoring the reality that Iran, aka Persia, has engaged in brutal wars of conquest for centuries

Could you back this statement up with some facts?

Since 1979, when the Islamic Republic of Iran was created, the country has only been at war once - when it was invaded by Iraq.

Since 1979, the USA has invaded a country three times (Iraq twice) and has been involved in military conflicts in numerous countries (often 'dragged in' as some sort of peacekeeping effort).

From an outsider's point of view the USA is a very dangerous country, and Iran is not.

By the way, I live amongst Muslims, happily and peacefully. (Just as with Christians, there are different kinds of Muslims, and each Muslim is also an individual person.) I find that the Trans-Atlantic region has a very distorted view of the religion and the people. Oh, and they also make great food so an invitation to a Muslim wedding or Eid celebration is the best (but avoid the tea with condensed milk!).

[sigma6]

im enjoying this thread too, as always thx for all the sharing of info & experience...
i only mentioned before because what gives Keshe the right to speak about defending Iran? am sure he wouldn't be against his own people, but is his an 'official' statement on behalf of the country i wonder... it's a bit like Einstein standing up and threatening to defend / attack another country on behalf of the US maybe?
yep, i'm aware of legalese and strawman / incorporated countries thingy, been looking into that recently... there is a huge difference between moral and legal of course, and whilst i would say i'm agnostic too we are supposedly all equal under God's (or common) law..
:)
http://www.inminds.com/sept27-03-chalk-3.jpg
He's not 'threatening' that is what I jumped on Nancy for and it has obviously worked, if you come waving a baseball bat in my face, and I tell you that if you don't stop I am going to take it off you and shove it up yer' ****. That is not threatening, that is a warning, and it is a defensive posture, it may be a little exaggerated, as Keshe is nowhere near being that aggressive, if you analyze what he is saying the US will either have to fly into Iran's airspace or into their territorial waters... and ANYONE even suggesting they are going to invade anyone else's private space is the real threatening party....

I guess the game here is to 'interpret' which is closer to truth... the US wants to invade Iran in order to "save the world from 'evil blah blah blah..." (like only that sociopath Hillary can shovel) or Iran will "sink ships and/or ground aircraft" that fly into their airspace (which may very well kill anyone who happens to be in them...)

I think Iran clearly has the higher moral justification. And there is no evidence if they had nuclear power they would become despotic, unless of course it was only a counter measure to the US/Anglo/NWO Hegemony...

Do you think if the Japanese had the opportunity to take out the planes and 'kill' the pilots that flew over their country that dropped atomic bombs on innocent men, women and children, would you honestly in your right mind call that... (drum roll pleazzzze....) 'an attack on Americaaaaa!!!! ???

[danceblackcatdance]

sigma6.. yeah 'warning' is a better word.... everyone has the right to self defence.. we probably agree that the US policy on pre-emptive strikes (illegal invasions) pushed the moral limits :)

Fredenit re: the drone:
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/keshe-news/185-was-us-spy-drone-captured-by-iranian-flying-saucer-pesncom-part-i

the CO2 is demonstrated in the video interview i posted above, but i admit the substance in the tube could be 'anything'... but i choose to believe him at this time until proved otherwise... power demonstration in a basic form here: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/video-presentions/197-eindhoven-november-2011-video

edit: forgot to add, in this video somewhere he says he can't prove ET's are real but he knows they are :):)

[sigma6]

Can anyone tell me, how did the Keshe Foundation come by this so advanced technology?
Ummm... he's a scientific genius?


Can anyone out there show any proof of the fact that they have this technology?
That would be the universities and other scientific individuals he has already presented it to, the fact that his patents weren't turned down, and a big flattering thank you from Mr Stephen Hawkings rewriting his theory of the "origin of the universe" the day after the university he presented his scientific work to accepted it (95%) but wouldn't publish it (5%) Which speaks of another hidden syndicate so sophisticated and organized for them to have 'moved' that quickly... talk about a bunch of stinkin' hypocrites... but at least you have your 'evidence'...


Or is it this Foundation wants to wave the red flag at the tormented psychotic bull called the Western Powers of dominance.
?????? OOOOkay... let's see... he's offering free energy (an end to 1% elite control, environmental pollution, and the phony energy scarcity) and a quantum standard of living increase to every man women and child on the planet) as well as health technologies for currently terminally ill people caused by same criminal syndicates controlling big pharma. And also a space technology application, our ticket to transitioning into a 'star trek' economy based on unlimited resources, where individual pursuit of growth will be the only real goal in life, as there will not be as much need to kill and steal when food, water, electricity, heat, and transportation are free.... I'd say you doing that double speak thing in a**-backwards mode again...


What is more to the point, it is well known by now, the world is engaged in an Alien Intervention
Maybe, maybe not, as much as I do believe there is some kind of alien presence, what the details are is still definitely in the 'SPECULATIVE' dept if you ask me, especially as regards to what is exactly going on, unless you take everything channelled as holy gospel, which I for one do not... next...


which will have catastrophic repercussions for Humanity if they pull it off. The Keshe Foundation in all reality seems to be speaking more for causing war and bloodshed than stopping it.
... don't think so...


Also if Iran has all this well advanced technology, why are they so busy with Nuclear Power!! Something does not add up,
Science is science, just because we understand how gasoline engines work why are people studying steam engines??? and he gives a clear explanation if you read his site; to fill in the gaps of their existing knowledge, (guess they don't want to rely on their western colleagues in that dept.... can you blame them?) his scientific understanding is a quantum leap in science and technology... apples and oranges...


I thought the people on this Forum were sound thinkers and could grasp the reality of situations, I feel there needs a lot more thought put into this than has previously been put to it. Enlightenment is not being able to see the picture, but to see through the illusion in front of it.
Welcome to the club, I thought so too, but I guess were all imperfect after all, but at least we get an opportunity to share information and learn from each other, hopefully 'sound thinking' will develop along the way, until then...

Interesting comment on enlightenment, to that I can offer this excerpt;

I read about the hesitation of the Buddha, before beginning His Mission:
“I have discovered a profound truth, difficult to perceive, difficult to understand, accessible only to the wise. “Human beings busy themselves in the vortex of the world and find their pleasure. It will be difficult for men to understand the law of the concatenation of causes and effects, the suppression of the samskaras (ideas that one forms which depend upon ignorance).

“Of what use to reveal to men that which I have discovered at the price of laborious efforts? Why should I do so? – This doctrine cannot be understood by those filled by desire and hatred .. it is mysterious, deep; hidden from the vulgar mind. If I proclaim it and men are unable to understand it, the only result will be fatigue and annoyance for me.”

Brahma Sahampati exhorts the Buddha to conquer His hesitation:
“May the Venerable One preach the Doctrine! There are beings whose spiritual eyes are hardly darkened by light dust, these will understand the Doctrine. In the land of Magadha a false doctrine has prevailed up to the present, elaborated by men whose minds were contaminated (by ignorance). Now open to them the gate of Immortality (literally, of the deathless).

“Arise, O Victorious One ! Travel through-out the world, O Chief of Pilgrims (beings who wander in the round of successive births and deaths). There are some who will understand Thee.”

The Buddha insisted strongly on the necessity of examining the propositions put forward by Him, and of understanding them personally before accepting them as true. The ancient texts leave no doubt on this point:

“Do not believe on the strength of traditions even if they have been held in honour for many generations and in many places; do not believe anything because many people speak of it; do not believe on the strength of sages of old times; do not believe that which you have yourselves imagined, thinking that a god has inspired you. Believe nothing which depends only on the authority of your masters or of priests. After investigation, believe that which you have yourselves tested and found reasonable, and which is for your good and that of others.”

“Doubt is an incitement to research, and research is the path to true knowledge.”
“Why are these teachings secret? Does that mean I can’t write and tell about them?”

“No, Alexandra, these teachings are not called ‘secret’ because it is forbidden to talk about them. They are ‘secret’ because so few who hear them understand.”
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[sdv]

When we speak of Muslims we are not speaking of the people we co-habit here with in the US, we are talking about extremists who live in an extreme culture, based on an extreme distortion of the religion--literally raised from childhood to be steeped in hatred of anything that didn't toe the line with their extreme religious distortion.

Persia as a whole has been involved in many wars and conquests, until the single entity divided into countries that basically had squabbling amongst themselves about how extreme one could be in their extreme religious distortion. Persians of both persuasions have been engaging in warfare against each other, their own people, and their own religion for decades now. If you took the West out of the equation, they'd still continue to war with each other. That area of the Middle East has been at war with each other or the West since time out of mind. There may not be an official label or offensive or defensive action slapped on these wars ...
they exist and they have since Biblical times.

Phew, you could say the same about Christians! MOST Muslims in the world are nothing like you describe them at all.

No. I am not a Muslim, I do not want to be one, and I have never met a Muslim who has tried to convert me (but have spent my whole life rebuffing, gently, Christians hell bent on converting me so that I can 'find Jesus').

No religion is better or worse than another, and so on.

We are all one and when are we going to move beyond prejudice and ignorance and accept that, and stop using such unreasonable arguements to justify our aggression?!

[9eagle9]

You were reading my mind. I was thinking the exact same thing as I posted, Extreme Christianity attacks whomever doesn't toe the line, even if it's other Christians.

No difference in extreme Muslim and Extreme Christianity.


What is funny is a few years back I watched a home made documentary about a family who buried their brother, a service man who was gay. He was killed in action and some nutty X-treme Xian ( I hesitate to call them Christ-ians) showed up to protest the funeral. A lot of family members expressed sentiments that they did not even know the fallen soldier was gay until the Xian soldiers showed up--thereby drawing even more attention and sympathy to the very thing they claim they are against.

Durrrh....

sigma6.. yeah 'warning' is a better word.... everyone has the right to self defence.. we probably agree that the US policy on pre-emptive strikes (illegal invasions) pushed the moral limits :)

Fredenit re: the drone:
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/keshe-news/185-was-us-spy-drone-captured-by-iranian-flying-saucer-pesncom-part-i

the CO2 is demonstrated in the video interview i posted above, but i admit the substance in the tube could be 'anything'... but i choose to believe him at this time until proved otherwise... power demonstration in a basic form here: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/video-presentions/197-eindhoven-november-2011-video

edit: forgot to add, in this video somewhere he says he can't prove ET's are real but he knows they are :):)

[GarethBKK]

Iran as its sole entity is part of what is formerly known as Persia, which once included Iraq. There isn't a whole lot that culturally separated Iran and Iraq save that Iraq attempted to become a secular nation in a rather brutal way.

My understanding, which is frequently wrong: The majority of Iranians speak Persian and are ethnically caucasian, whereas the majority of Iraqis are Arab and speak Arabic. Since language and culture are bound, there is a great deal of cultural separation, I would imagine.

[sigma6]

He emphasizes that he is an engineer, not a theorist or physicist, and that he builds what he conceives. His plasma reactors apparently operate similar to the rotating plasma-magnetic fields of the Earth's core.

Thanks for pointing this up fixit, I overlooked this, it just dawned on me, one of the major factors for their prejudice, ie. he isn't a 'papered' scientist. I need to go through his site more, this is the same attack that was applied to Stan Meyer, the totally a** backward bogus argument that because he wasn't a true 'scientist' that he wasn't qualified to 'explain' or justify his real world working inventions... exposing the university profs as having a secret agenda based on legal interpretation... (occult 'freemason' control in these institutions)

I say it is bogus to say to someone who has invented anything that physically works that it doesn't count just because they aren't a papered scientist. Either you have a real result in the real world or you don't, it's the scientist's job to get off their butt and figure out the numbers on the blackboard... not to refute reality because it doesn't jive with their limited text book theoretical understanding...

They destroyed Fleischmann and Pons cold fusion and Stanley Meyers on his water car design even though it was directly witnessed by a McDonnell Douglas engineer who confirmed it (Paul Czysz) and they are doing the same thing to Keshe, poo-pooing him because he isn't a proper physicist, 'scientist' ... this is ridiculous, especially because these are the people that he HAS shown it to... I hope people have learned by now to see the snobbery and superficiality of this... the joke is if he was a physicist, he would have been so misinformed with the limited and compartmentalized text book teachings, he would never have discovered it!! That's what they are so upset about, it's exposing their game...

thanks to whoever supplied this link, I hadn't seen it yet...

http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/media-a-papers/video-presentions/220-about-the-keshe-foundation

And regarding how can anyone possibly know anything about anti-gravity (even though Keshe doesn't call it that) was the cool interview that David Sereda did with Boyd Bushman in his corny video "From here to Andromeda" but the interview was good, and Boyd shared the simplest proof that gravity can be manipulated by explaining a simple experiment that anyone can duplicate, combining two magnets forced together against their magnetic fields and then doing the classic 'dropping from an equal height' experiment... and lo and behold... guess which one falls at a SLOWER rate.... now that is ingenious... and indisputable proof... that gravity has the POTENTIAL to be engineered... this experiment could be done in every grade school, high school and university, but do you think anyone is bothering to? naaawwww.... LOLOL who are the scammers now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4

[realitycorrodes]

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[realitycorrodes]

Beware of Willful Ignorance

http://www.zengardner.com/wp-content/uploads/illusionpeak32.jpg

[9eagle9]

Put it this way, Persia was a culture that was intentionally separated. The Arab culture in particular used to be one of the most creative, harmonious, and hospitable cultures on the planet--long ago. A magnificent culture that kept that heritage for a long and there's still some remnants of that great philosphy they shared still in place. The enmity between Israel and Arabia is quite deliberately manufactured. That greatness was destroyed, these are all Abrhamic religions traced back to Abraham, they all been divided and conquered and separated --for a reason.

Very sad actually

[jaybee]

So this is a world peace invitation along with a LOT of threats made about killing a LOT of people. .
After a first reading of the OP....
Keshe is talking about Iran's ability to DEFEND it's borders and itself....not it's ability or desire to ATTACK and kill.
Keshe is saying that IF Iran is attacked, they will be able to shut down the missiles and submarines etc that are doing the attacking....
The US must certainly have the same ability to do this with it's own borders..?
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Interesting point jaybee (lol) ... now here's the question does the US have this capability, what if their scientists were only thinking of aggressive applications of this technology? or pursued different paths along their study and understanding of the atom then Keshe did? this is bleeding, bleeding cutting edge, with many interpretations on exactly what is going on inside an atom, the US black op science may not have gone down this path... Although I have no doubt they are shifting gears furiously and working on it if it isn't already there... but they are still euchred, because it's a defensive weapon and they bet the farm on a world police state, jack boots, everyone wearing their 'proud' security badges, waging endless wars 'to save the planet'... and they wanted the seat at the head of the table... and now they got it, but now they are worried that no one might show up ... oops, time for a new propaganda campaign...

Hiya.....I don't know if the US would have the SAME kind of technology, that Keshe gave to Iran (and now other countries)...to defend it's own borders...

but they must have SOME kind of similar? technology to defend itself from attack from the air... It wouldn't make sense if they didn't....?

I came across this a couple of days ago when doing a search on the Tesla Death Ray.....(in regards to it maybe being used to shoot down the Roswell 'Craft'...:) )


This New York Times article was written 72 years ago!!!


http://rense.com/general10/deathray.htm


short extract...



This new type of force Mr. Tesla said, would operate through a beam one- hundred-millionth of a square centimeter in diameter, and could be generated from special plant that would cost no more then $2,000,000 and would take only about three months to construct.

A dozen such plants, located at strategic points along the coast, according to Mr. Tesla, would be enough to defend the country against all aerial attack. The beam would melt any engine, whether diesel or gasoline driven, and would also ignite the explosives aboard any bomber. No possible defense against it could be devised, he asserts, as the beam would be all-penetrating.



If this was being talked about all that time ago...one can only imagine what they have now.


ps...nice work on this thread...:thumb:


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[Jean-Luc]

On September 21 the following conference will take place at the Keshe Foundation, Ninove, Belgium : Tesla meets Keshe - Prof. Konstantin Meyl

Venue : Keshe Foundation, Ninove, Belgium, Sept 21 - 10-17.00. Cost: 50 EUR.
Registration :http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/events?view=event&id=27
Anyone interested can register (Limited number of seats).
FYI, I will attend.


In this lecture and day event at the Kf Center, Prof. Dr. Ing. Konstantin Meyl will examine and explain the differences and similarities between the Keshe Technology and Tesla Technology.

Prof. Dr.-Ing Konstantin Meyl teaches the subjects power electronics and alternative energy technology at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen. Being a 15-year-old pupil he already carried out the first measurements on eddy current brakes. His dissertation at the Technical University of Munich (1979), as well as his doctoral theses at the University of Stuttgart (1984) were dedicated to the three-dimensional calculation of eddy current.

As development leader and licenser of the company Bauknecht AG (ATB) he relocated to the Black Forest to the Technologie Zentrum ("technology center") of St. Georgen where he has conducted a transfer center of the Steinbeis Stiftung (?Steinbeis foundation)? for economic promotion of Baden-Württemberg since 1988 until March, 2003.

Since April 2003 the 1th transfer center for scalar waves is being perpetuated without interruption with the same employees in the identic spaces of the technology center, but without the Steinbeis foundation.

After he had adopted a professorship (1986) in the nearest academy, Prof. Meyl could turn again to the research of electromagnetic field eddies. The discovery of the potential vortex which occurred at the desk and not in the lab in the night of the 1.1.1990 brought the desired success. The books with the title ?Potentialwirbel? volume 1 (1990) and volume 2 (1992) have been awarded in 1994 with the technology price of the German society of EMV technology. The award handover took place in Munich in the course of the exhibition Electronica. The award prooves the importance of the theory for the sector of the EMC.

More info on Prof. Meyl: www.meyl.eu
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Konstantin_Meyl

[danceblackcatdance]

nothing new to people here but looks like a push for momentum :)

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