California Gas jumping 30 cents tomorrow...

[Rocky_Shorz]

you still have time to buy it tonight...

[WhiteFeather]

Who needs gas. We have plenty of water and plenty of urine!
Perhaps Soon we will be running a garden hose to our car or pissing in our tanks!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47972-Water-Powered-Car-Hits-Mainstream-in-Pakistan

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-28/science/32906478_1_hydrogen-cng-cc-car

[shadowstalker]

Glad I don't drive....

[truth4me]

trying to get some more money before it "washes"away.......

[Shamz]

Who needs gas. We have plenty of water and plenty of urine!
Perhaps Soon we will be running a garden hose to our car or pissing in our tanks!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47972-Water-Powered-Car-Hits-Mainstream-in-Pakistan

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-28/science/32906478_1_hydrogen-cng-cc-car

IMHO - we pay the price of the Gas - whatever it is...because its used to run our cars/trains/buses/planes and of course used in other things too.
so if these cars and trains and other things...can be run on water or air or any other easy available thing... then the Govt along with commercial companies would control that as well.
they will make all the necessary arrangements to make water as expensive as the gas is now...if not more...
so IMO it won't matter if tomorrow cars are running on water or not.
Its the Govt. that needs to change

[crosby]

what a bunch of thieving hoodlums. well, i'm not paying it.:boxing: they can kiss off!
regards, corson

[ThePythonicCow]

California Gas jumping 30 cents tomorrow...

How do you know this, if I may ask?

Something you saw on the web (link?), or "inside knowledge" (if so, cool)?

[Rocky_Shorz]

prices already jumped 12 cents at a local station I ran over to one that didn't realize the hold-up from the refinery fire starts today... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

California Gas jumping 30 cents tomorrow...

How do you know this, if I may ask?

Something you saw on the web (link?), or "inside knowledge" (if so, cool)?


prices already jumped 12 cents at a local station I ran over to one that didn't realize the hold-up from the refinery fire starts today... ;)

Ah - thanks for the "refinery fire" hint!

Perhaps this is the reason California gasoline prices will rise tomorrow ... a refinery fire in a San Francisco bay area:



Chevron Refinery Fire Pushes California Gasoline Prices Higher

A fire at Chevron Corp. (CVX)’s Richmond oil refinery in California pushed gasoline prices higher today as it disrupted fuel output at the state’s third-largest crude- processing plant.

Chevron’s 240,000-barrel-a-day refinery shut its only crude unit after the fire yesterday, Heather Kulp, a Richmond-based spokeswoman for Chevron, said today. The fire is out, she said, and the plant is maintaining a small controlled burn at the crude unit to relieve pressure. Other units are operating at unknown levels, Kulp said.

California-blend gasoline, or Carbob, in San Francisco gained 23 cents to a premium of 28.5 cents a gallon against futures traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange at 12:42 p.m. East Coast time, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That’s the highest level for Carbob in the Bay Area since May 29 and the largest single-day increase since Bloomberg began compiling spot prices in November 2007.
See further at: Chevron Refinery Fire Pushes California Gasoline Prices Higher (Bloomberg News) (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-07/chevron-refinery-fire-may-push-california-gasoline-higher).

Other factors may be involved as well. See Gas prices rise, Chevron refinery fire, Hurricane Ernesto, Enbridge pipeline problems all a factor (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/money/consumer/gas-prices-rise-chevron-refinery-fire-hurricane-ernesto-enbridge-pipeline-problems-all-a-factor)

[Rocky_Shorz]

and the Pope steps forward to say it has to stop...

there is a lot happening right now...

fasten your seatbelt, I have a feeling we're coming up to the wildest part of this roller coaster ride...

[Rantaak]

California Gas jumping 30 cents tomorrow...

How do you know this, if I may ask?

Something you saw on the web (link?), or "inside knowledge" (if so, cool)?


prices already jumped 12 cents at a local station I ran over to one that didn't realize the hold-up from the refinery fire starts today... ;)

Ah - thanks for the "refinery fire" hint!

Perhaps this is the reason California gasoline prices will rise tomorrow ... a refinery fire in a San Francisco bay area:



Chevron Refinery Fire Pushes California Gasoline Prices Higher

A fire at Chevron Corp. (CVX)’s Richmond oil refinery in California pushed gasoline prices higher today as it disrupted fuel output at the state’s third-largest crude- processing plant.

Chevron’s 240,000-barrel-a-day refinery shut its only crude unit after the fire yesterday, Heather Kulp, a Richmond-based spokeswoman for Chevron, said today. The fire is out, she said, and the plant is maintaining a small controlled burn at the crude unit to relieve pressure. Other units are operating at unknown levels, Kulp said.

California-blend gasoline, or Carbob, in San Francisco gained 23 cents to a premium of 28.5 cents a gallon against futures traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange at 12:42 p.m. East Coast time, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That’s the highest level for Carbob in the Bay Area since May 29 and the largest single-day increase since Bloomberg began compiling spot prices in November 2007.
See further at: Chevron Refinery Fire Pushes California Gasoline Prices Higher (Bloomberg News) (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-07/chevron-refinery-fire-may-push-california-gasoline-higher).

Other factors may be involved as well. See Gas prices rise, Chevron refinery fire, Hurricane Ernesto, Enbridge pipeline problems all a factor (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/money/consumer/gas-prices-rise-chevron-refinery-fire-hurricane-ernesto-enbridge-pipeline-problems-all-a-factor)

A good friend of mine pointed out recently that this is kind of like hitting someone with a baseball bat and asking them to buy you a new one...

[9eagle9]

Gas in Michigan during the week of July 21st, hit a new current low of about 3.55 a gallon.

It's now 4.09

Over the weekend I read a short blurb on MSN that 'gas prices had been steadily falling for the last 16 weeks.' When in fact they have been steadily RISING. I've never seen a jump like that . This morning I read another little blurb that says gas prices jump .10 cents after news of blah de blah de blah. That's not ten cents. That's like 49 cents and more.

In other related news....

For the under and non-employed to be employed one has to pass a credit check. Effectively stymieing any chance that people may have of recovering their lives economically (or their credit ratings).

I have been piecing and putting together some contract work from various sources and one of these sources told me I had to pay 45.00 for a credit check because I'll be looking at their financial statements. You see only a good credit rating ensures that I will not stuff those statements down my pants and go use them for nefarious means like toilet paper.

When I was considering this statement the woman interviewing me assured me that I could get a FREE credit report on line so I could check and make sure everything was in order BEFORE I paid 45 dollars for the 'official' report. So I said, Why can't YOUR company get a free credit rating on line for me. If I do that why can't I just send you the credit report I ran for free for myself.

She says nothing.

So you are essentially going to charge me 45.00 for a service that you yourself more than likely runs for free.

"We have to use an official credit checking agency".

Hmmmm.....

I have a feeling I won't be contracting any work from that source.

For a long time now the state in collusion with the insurance companies make it virtually impossible for low income people to drive their cars legally, because these people have poor credit ratings, and a good credit rating is required to purchase nominally priced insurance.

I spoke to an insurance agent last week, who shrugged off the whole matter and said everyone in Michigan (metaphorically speaking) has a bad credit rating. "You know, now, since the whole auto bailout-economic collapse deal back in 08. "

Really. So I take the Michigander driver is not getting a pass on pricey insurance rates, but are spending a third of their monthly income on ...car insurance. So they can drive to work, without fear of incurring more fines, to pay their auto insurance.

Something I've been meaning to do for a few years is investigate the rise in tent town homes in the US. In the past, 2010 or so, I've had some arbitrary figures tossed at me by a few officials citing these sorts of transient towns, or those like them, number about 20,000 or more. Another official snorted and mumbled try triple that amount.

The thing is not much as been released about tent towns which are on the rise, since 2010. But if you skim all the pre existing reports you will see that much of is government and locally funded. One question that was raised in these reports, with the number of foreclosures and empty homes sky rocketing why aren't homeless people not being placed in these empty homes that various business and government entities have to maintain?

Well that sort of defeats the purpose....

However looking more closely at these tent towns and how they are funded by grants, the government and local municipality one gets the niggling feeling that the FEMA workcamps standing empty in every large city in America, is a beard, a distraction for where the actual workcamps are really beginning to develop. ...IN these tent towns. How much investigating would one have to do to find out where some of this emergency relief money is coming from. A little, maybe a lot but I'm thinking quite a lot would be traced back to FEMA.


Last night I woke from this horrible dream of everyone just standing in a corner with no place to go. Just this gray colorless landscape of people attempting to escape physically and psychologically but there is simply no place to go. So as I'm laying there thinking, Wow what are extraordinarily disturbing dream" I become aware of this very low double beat pulsing thrum. Very subtle but very deep. EM...dub dub dub dub ...it goes on until the sun rises. And then it stops. Its thrumming through the whole house , its in the walls , all over. Someone's turned up the temperature.

A very small sampling, sometimes just a little too small to notice but when you step back and look at the bigger picture ...the net is closing. The hammer is coming down.

In the US there's probably not a whole lot of places for people to go, because I'm sorta getting the idea that the US is turning into a giant Fema Camp or perhaps penal colony on its own.

Gas Prices?

Gas fines.

That is your punishment for being a useless eater.

If you can easily afford a 100 dollar fill up at the pump, you're a probably a useful eater....for the time being.

[13th Warrior]

Gas in Michigan during the week of July 21st, hit a new current low of about 3.55 a gallon.

It's now 4.09

Over the weekend I read a short blurb on MSN that 'gas prices had been steadily falling for the last 16 weeks.' When in fact they have been steadily RISING. I've never seen a jump like that . This morning I read another little blurb that says gas prices jump .10 cents after news of blah de blah de blah. That's not ten cents. That's like 49 cents and more.

In other related news....

For the under and non-employed to be employed one has to pass a credit check. Effectively stymieing any chance that people may have of recovering their lives economically (or their credit ratings).

I have been piecing and putting together some contract work from various sources and one of these sources told me I had to pay 45.00 for a credit check because I'll be looking at their financial statements. You see only a good credit rating ensures that I will not stuff those statements down my pants and go use them for nefarious means like toilet paper.

When I was considering this statement the woman interviewing me assured me that I could get a FREE credit report on line so I could check and make sure everything was in order BEFORE I paid 45 dollars for the 'official' report. So I said, Why can't YOUR company get a free credit rating on line for me. If I do that why can't I just send you the credit report I ran for free for myself.

She says nothing.

So you are essentially going to charge me 45.00 for a service that you yourself more than likely runs for free.

"We have to use an official credit checking agency".

Hmmmm.....

I have a feeling I won't be contracting any work from that source.

For a long time now the state in collusion with the insurance companies make it virtually impossible for low income people to drive their cars legally, because these people have poor credit ratings, and a good credit rating is required to purchase nominally priced insurance.

I spoke to an insurance agent last week, who shrugged off the whole matter and said everyone in Michigan (metaphorically speaking) has a bad credit rating. "You know, now, since the whole auto bailout-economic collapse deal back in 08. "

Really. So I take the Michigander driver is not getting a pass on pricey insurance rates, but are spending a third of their monthly income on ...car insurance. So they can drive to work, without fear of incurring more fines, to pay their auto insurance.

Something I've been meaning to do for a few years is investigate the rise in tent town homes in the US. In the past, 2010 or so, I've had some arbitrary figures tossed at me by a few officials citing these sorts of transient towns, or those like them, number about 20,000 or more. Another official snorted and mumbled try triple that amount.

The thing is not much as been released about tent towns which are on the rise, since 2010. But if you skim all the pre existing reports you will see that much of is government and locally funded. One question that was raised in these reports, with the number of foreclosures and empty homes sky rocketing why aren't homeless people not being placed in these empty homes that various business and government entities have to maintain?

Well that sort of defeats the purpose....

However looking more closely at these tent towns and how they are funded by grants, the government and local municipality one gets the niggling feeling that the FEMA workcamps standing empty in every large city in America, is a beard, a distraction for where the actual workcamps are really beginning to develop. ...IN these tent towns. How much investigating would one have to do to find out where some of this emergency relief money is coming from. A little, maybe a lot but I'm thinking quite a lot would be traced back to FEMA.


Last night I woke from this horrible dream of everyone just standing in a corner with no place to go. Just this gray colorless landscape of people attempting to escape physically and psychologically but there is simply no place to go. So as I'm laying there thinking, Wow what are extraordinarily disturbing dream" I become aware of this very low double beat pulsing thrum. Very subtle but very deep. EM...dub dub dub dub ...it goes on until the sun rises. And then it stops. Its thrumming through the whole house , its in the walls , all over. Someone's turned up the temperature.

A very small sampling, sometimes just a little too small to notice but when you step back and look at the bigger picture ...the net is closing. The hammer is coming down.

In the US there's probably not a whole lot of places for people to go, because I'm sorta getting the idea that the US is turning into a giant Fema Camp or perhaps penal colony on its own.

Gas Prices?

Gas fines.

That is your punishment for being a useless eater.

If you can easily afford a 100 dollar fill up at the pump, you're a probably a useful eater....for the time being.

This is just one of the reasons i see for a growing group of people becoming "free lance" workers.

Why work for someone else when you can work for yourself?

[conk]

I noticed my diesel fuel went from $3.48 last fill-up to $3.69 this time. A friend owns a small gasoline distributorship. He told us to look for $4.00 gas very soon. That will be $4.50 diesel. Why was it that all my life diesel was much less expensive than gas, but now it's much more?

[9eagle9]

Contract work is pretty much free lance work. The problem now is that you have to contract from SOMEONE. And a lot of those SOMEONE's are being pressured to maintain a set of rules and regulations regarding free lance and contract so the self employed can be controlled as equally as those who are employed.

It doesn't matter what one does one typically has to depend on someone or something to pay them. You have a service you need people who need the service, to pay you. You have your own store you depend on shoppers to shop there or need to shop there.



Gas in Michigan during the week of July 21st, hit a new current low of about 3.55 a gallon.

It's now 4.09

Over the weekend I read a short blurb on MSN that 'gas prices had been steadily falling for the last 16 weeks.' When in fact they have been steadily RISING. I've never seen a jump like that . This morning I read another little blurb that says gas prices jump .10 cents after news of blah de blah de blah. That's not ten cents. That's like 49 cents and more.

In other related news....

For the under and non-employed to be employed one has to pass a credit check. Effectively stymieing any chance that people may have of recovering their lives economically (or their credit ratings).

I have been piecing and putting together some contract work from various sources and one of these sources told me I had to pay 45.00 for a credit check because I'll be looking at their financial statements. You see only a good credit rating ensures that I will not stuff those statements down my pants and go use them for nefarious means like toilet paper.

When I was considering this statement the woman interviewing me assured me that I could get a FREE credit report on line so I could check and make sure everything was in order BEFORE I paid 45 dollars for the 'official' report. So I said, Why can't YOUR company get a free credit rating on line for me. If I do that why can't I just send you the credit report I ran for free for myself.

She says nothing.

So you are essentially going to charge me 45.00 for a service that you yourself more than likely runs for free.

"We have to use an official credit checking agency".

Hmmmm.....

I have a feeling I won't be contracting any work from that source.

For a long time now the state in collusion with the insurance companies make it virtually impossible for low income people to drive their cars legally, because these people have poor credit ratings, and a good credit rating is required to purchase nominally priced insurance.

I spoke to an insurance agent last week, who shrugged off the whole matter and said everyone in Michigan (metaphorically speaking) has a bad credit rating. "You know, now, since the whole auto bailout-economic collapse deal back in 08. "

Really. So I take the Michigander driver is not getting a pass on pricey insurance rates, but are spending a third of their monthly income on ...car insurance. So they can drive to work, without fear of incurring more fines, to pay their auto insurance.

Something I've been meaning to do for a few years is investigate the rise in tent town homes in the US. In the past, 2010 or so, I've had some arbitrary figures tossed at me by a few officials citing these sorts of transient towns, or those like them, number about 20,000 or more. Another official snorted and mumbled try triple that amount.

The thing is not much as been released about tent towns which are on the rise, since 2010. But if you skim all the pre existing reports you will see that much of is government and locally funded. One question that was raised in these reports, with the number of foreclosures and empty homes sky rocketing why aren't homeless people not being placed in these empty homes that various business and government entities have to maintain?

Well that sort of defeats the purpose....

However looking more closely at these tent towns and how they are funded by grants, the government and local municipality one gets the niggling feeling that the FEMA workcamps standing empty in every large city in America, is a beard, a distraction for where the actual workcamps are really beginning to develop. ...IN these tent towns. How much investigating would one have to do to find out where some of this emergency relief money is coming from. A little, maybe a lot but I'm thinking quite a lot would be traced back to FEMA.


Last night I woke from this horrible dream of everyone just standing in a corner with no place to go. Just this gray colorless landscape of people attempting to escape physically and psychologically but there is simply no place to go. So as I'm laying there thinking, Wow what are extraordinarily disturbing dream" I become aware of this very low double beat pulsing thrum. Very subtle but very deep. EM...dub dub dub dub ...it goes on until the sun rises. And then it stops. Its thrumming through the whole house , its in the walls , all over. Someone's turned up the temperature.

A very small sampling, sometimes just a little too small to notice but when you step back and look at the bigger picture ...the net is closing. The hammer is coming down.

In the US there's probably not a whole lot of places for people to go, because I'm sorta getting the idea that the US is turning into a giant Fema Camp or perhaps penal colony on its own.

Gas Prices?

Gas fines.

That is your punishment for being a useless eater.

If you can easily afford a 100 dollar fill up at the pump, you're a probably a useful eater....for the time being.

This is just one of the reasons i see for a growing group of people becoming "free lance" workers.

Why work for someone else when you can work for yourself?

[Rocky_Shorz]

diesel out here has been cheaper than unleaded, but we get gouged in California, we used to have a governor that cared and stepped in to stop it...

I think they are upset the electric car grid is growing and it along with those who doubled mileage since 07 won't be going back to guzzlers...

they are rating our economy by the gas we use...

well, guess what, time for a new calculator...

Universities are being allowed to work on Perpetual motion and free energy inventions...

[9eagle9]

Universities are being allowed so they can be monitored. One has to remember where university funding is coming from.

One wishes for some crazed, rogue super genius that had the brains to create an energy device and the balls to sell it underground, covertly, and let it spread that way.

I'd do it myself if I had that sort of head on my shoulders, but alas, my only true aptitude is for backing trucks up which is useful but hardly a means to change the world.

The thing is we are always looking for 'admission, and allowance' from those who suppress the concept in the first place.