My 9 year old niece would love your help

[etheric underground]

Hi everyone this is my Niece MAYA she is a very special star child, I love her very much and am very saddened to hear that she is suffering horribly with Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis (polyarthritis )Rhuematiod negative and osteoporosis lupis... She is sooo amazing and strong but we cant seem to find anything from a medicals perspective to help her. If any one can offer suggestions or put my family on to someone who possibly could help ....it would be a miracle and we would be indebted to you always...
GOD BLESS YA SOCKS KERE....
P.S UNCLE KERE LOVES YOU LOTS MAYANAISE!!

[Houman]

Have her do the incurable or 30 days detox (milder for children) program of Dr Schultze
https://www.herbdoc.com/index.php/Our_Products/Incurable-Program

See https://herbdocblog.com/
as for why and how

[conk]

Try curezone.com

What is her diet like? Nutrients really are the answer.

The book Breaking The Vicious Cycle, Elaine Gottschall, tells of children being cured of many such ailments by abstaining from sugars that are disaccharides (two sugars bonded) or polysaccharides (multiple sugars bonded). Monosaccharides are ok (honey). Avoid all grains. Consume huge amounts of fermented foods. It's all about healing the intestines. Very complex mechanisms at work in the colon. So, the bad bacteria must be starved (elimination of sugars) and the good bacteria fed well and replenished.

Some doctors, mine included, have cured strange diseases by implanting infant fecal matter into the sick person's colon. A healthy infant has massive amounts of beneficial bacteria.

Most doctors will discount this advice, but their methods seldom work. Trust only natural, God-given remedies. Nothing else is effective.

God bless this child. None should suffer like her.

Edit: I agree with Houman. I've read several of Dr. Shultzes' books.

[CeltMan]

EU,

Sorry to hear of Maya's suffering.

Look up CMO, it worked to cure my osteoarthritus back in 1999.

The cartliage was worn away in both shoulder joints. Bones were calcified, and I was in a lot of pain.

Worth getting the book, by Dr.Sands and reading about the cure.

Here's a liink re book + CMO supplier.

http://www.cmorelief.com/

Best of luck anyway.

P.s. I'll add also Maya to my absent healing list if you wish?

[etheric underground]

Yes please celtman....much appreciated brother

[WhiteFeather]

Un-Pasteurized Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother
Raw Honey or Maple Syrup
Raw Garlic or Cayene Pepper

When combined its most powerful for many ailments, especially arthritis. Please research it when you can.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3Beghsbq&gs_nf=1&pq=apple%20cider%20vinegar%20arthritis&cp=25&gs_id=bj&xhr=t&q=apple+cider+vinegar+honey+arthritis&pf=p&sclient=tablet-gws&tbo=d&oq=apple+cider+vinegar+honey+arthritis&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=6262dfe85daff509&biw=1024&bih=600

All the best to Maya.

[SKAWF]

have you tried giving her some pot mixed in with some warm/hottish milk? (let it brew for a while)

i dont know how your healthcare system works, but if you have to pay for meds...
it may work out a bit cheaper, and will have a more theraputic effect,

also, possibly get her on distilled water. (rather than tap water)

[Alan]

Does she eat grains (includes corn)? Grains are a leading cause of arthritis (sorry, I don't know anything about this specific variety).

Also MSM is a very cheap, very safe and very effective treatment for arthritis.

Good luck....

[Sierra]

Does she eat grains (includes corn)? Grains are a leading cause of arthritis (sorry, I don't know anything about this specific variety).

Also MSM is a very cheap, very safe and very effective treatment for arthritis.

Good luck....

Hi Alamojo,

I use MSM (severe arthritis), and it is ONLY effective against pain. It does not actually change the status quo of the arthritis. This means when you feel better while using the MSM, you also have to be careful not to push it too hard physically. I also stop taking it a few weeks at a time, once or twice a year, to get a baseline as to what *is* "pushing to hard" lol.

Disgusting stuff. The best way to get it down that I've found is lemonade with a spoonful of orange metamucil, and two scoops of MSM.

I'm going to check out the cmorelief site ...

Sierra

[Marsila]

Hi EthericUnderground....Maya is one super cute girl, she deserves to enjoy her childhood to the fullest.

The diet is very important, this has some helpful and harmful food ideas.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/176726-a-diet-for-juvenile-rheumatoid-arthritis/

last year here someone had a great article about restructuring water using copper and magnets. Using that on painful joints did help alleviate some pains in no time. Also drinking distilled water every now and then is a good idea.

not much help, but sending a lot of love to Maya!!

[Alan]

Hey Sierra, I'm not sure you're right about MSM -- this type of arthritis is almost certainly auto-immune, and MSM is highly anti-inflammatory. I read lots of health-related stuff but I'm not that adept at regurgitating the details -- I strongly encourage Maya's uncle to further research MSM...

Also, fish and/or krill oil is highly anti-inflammatory, altho you may have to consume quite a lot to get the desired effect.

[RunningDeer]

Hello etheric underground,

In Macrobiotics, it is suggested that one should not ingest night shade foods such as: eggplant, tomatoes, potatoes (including potato flour), peppers, hot peppers, and condiments containing these products. They produce arthritic symptoms.

Also author, Annemarie Colbin, “Food and Healing,” writes “...Nightshade foods may subtly remove calcium from the bones and deposit it in the joints, kidneys, arteries, and other areas of the body where it does not belong.”

Dear Maya: If it is your wish, I send conscious intentions of high frequency energy, and only the highest and the best for you.

Peace and Health,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[sigma6]

Awww she is so cute, no one should have to suffer that, especially young children ... (tears in my eyes) etheric, go to this site and download the zip file which is all the pdfs listed it is 20MB (UT_Info.zip)
If you have any problems (you need to set up a 4shared account - they are free, but 4shared has a lot of distracting and misleading ad buttons that are bothersome...) then contact me by email, or skype or pm me and I will send it to you direct... you MUST read this information,

http://www.4shared.com/dir/nvUiiTFn/Distilled_Water.html

The most important to read are Martha Christy's book and John Armstrong's book as well as the Shivambu Gita by Dr GK Thakkar and the Natural Benefits - Jagdish R Bhurani. Lupus in particular as all virally related (or disruptive immune system related diseases probably due to her sensitivity to vaccines) related diseases are absolutely curable with this treatment. The story that Martha Christy tells is not a fairy tale, it's her real life, and her premise is clear there are dozens and dozens and dozens of scientific investigations referenced in her book on urine (I just posted a video on Dr Burzynksi and his anteoplastins, (which she also mentions) an extract of urine that cures cancer) but Christie's premise is the truth, the absolute best cure is the whole complete urine itself, no ifs ands or buts...

If you READ this information there will be no question in your mind... THESE STUDIES, which date back to the late 1800s - 2006... HAVE ALL BEEN SUPPRESSED... these books are not that large, are very quick reads, but speak volumes, it will dawn on you that most of Armstrong's cases were the severest illnesses that the medical establishment of that time gave up on, yet they were all cured, because it is based in reality and biochemistry... (Interesting note: Even Armstrong notes the exact same problems with vaccines that was observed in the 20's and 30's ... it kills children! THEY'VE KNEW ABOUT IT!) beyond their complete understanding. Literally hundreds of 'factors' have been identified which is why the whole urine is the absolute best remedy, especially for her particular disease, the Indian case studies on children are modern day versions and confirmation of exactly the same responses to treatment that Armstrong got... and according to Armstrong, children recovered very quickly on his protocol, and he used it with success on people in their 60s, 70s, and 80's...

I drink it every day... there is absolutely NOTHING in urine that is harmful, and everything in it has some biochemical benefit.... you will understand this on your own after reading Christie's book... Armstrong's urine fast is the most powerful treatment, because it both cleanses, rebuilds tissues and kills all germs, bacteria and viruses and provides life giving 'factors' There are just too many 'factors' to identify, refer to Christie's book for a tiny fraction of what is available in the urine. It cannot be bought or recreated in a laboratory, it is truly priceless... Maya could easily see tangible results within days to weeks, here I will be updating this with suggested video links as well... and I would strongly suggest getting a water distiller as well.

Excerpt from page 139 of Christie's pdf book:

As Free and Free explain:
"Literally thousands of compounds have been identified in normal urine and the vast majority of these have been derived from the blood...
The understanding of the composition of the urine has gradually evolved as the sciences of chemistry and physiology have developed... It is now recognized that the urine contains thousands of compounds, and as new, more sensitive analytical tools evolve, it is quite certain that new constituents of urine will be recognized"

This' report goes on to give a detailed listing of approximately 200 constituents of urine, but as the researchers comment: "this table is not considered to be complete, but identifies [only] compounds of interest." Listing all 200 of the ingredients here would be a bit much, so I'll give a sample of some of the ingredients in urine that are most recognizable because many of them are the same ingredients that you see on your vitamin supplement labels, or that you've read or heard about from various sources.

Again, we never think of urine as a nutrient, but as this analysis of urine shows, there are numerous elements of nutritional value in urine, along with hormones, steroids, and other critical elements that regulate and control key processes of the body:

Alanine, total ........... 38 mg/day..... Lysine, total ............. 56 mg/day
Arginine, total ..........32 mg/day......Magnesium - 100 mg/day
Ascorbic acid ........... 30 mg/day......Manganese .............0.5 mg/day
Allantoin .................. 12 mg/day......Methionine, total ......10 mg/day
Amino acids, total ......2.1 g/day....... Nitrogen, total ............. 15 g/day
Bicarbonate ........... 140 mg/day..... Ornithine ................ 10 mg/day
Biotin ..................... 35 mg/day......Pantothenic acid ......... 3 mg/day
Calcium .................. 23 mg/day......Phenylalanine ........... 21 mg/day
Creatinine ............... 1.4 mg/day..... Phosphorus, organic . .9 mg/day
Cystine .................. 120 mg/day......Potassium .............. 2.5 mg/day
Dopamine ............. 0A0 mg/day......Proteins, total ........... 35 mg/day
Epinephrine ........... 0.01 mg/day..... Riboflavin .............. 0.9 mg/day
Folic acid .................. 4 mg/day..... Tryptophan, total ......28 mg/day
Glucose ................ 100 mg/day..... Tyrosine, total ........... 50 mg/day
Glutamic Acid ......... 308 mg/day..... Urea ................... 24.5 mg/day
Glycine .................. 455 mg/day..... Vitamin B6 ............. 100 mg/day
Inositol ................... 14 mg/day..... Vitamin 812 ........... 0.03 mg/day
Iodine .................. 0.25 mg/day..... Zinc ...................... 1.4 mg/day
Iron .......................0.5 mg/day

Hormonal Substances
Aldosterone, male ...... 3.5 mg/day
Aldosterone, female ... 4.2 mg/day
Androgens, female
(20-40 yrs.) ................ 14 mg/day
Androgens, male
(20-40 yrs.) ............. 18.2 mg/day
Androsterone, female ..4.2 mg/day
Androsterone, male ....3.5 mg/day
Estradiol, female
luteal phase ................ 7 mg/day
Estriol, female
luteal phase .............. 28 mg/day
Estrone, female
luteal phase ............... 14 mg/day
17-Ketogenic adrenocoriticoids
female ................... 12.6 mg/day
17-Ketogenic adrenocoriticoids
male .................. 14.7 mg/day
Ketol steroids ......... 18.2 mg/day

Note:you may notice weird typos in these pdfs, that is because they have been OCR converted from real books, so you have to sometimes figure out a word or two yourself and titles, headers and page numbers confused the software, but you will be able to pick those out and ignore them easily... do not be dismayed by that...

Videos: pulled from the thread - "Water of Life..." #38, (not to get you too bogged down going through that right now, but there are some good references...)

Urine Good Health - The Science Of Drinking Your Own Pee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDyL...eature=related
Some of the Doctors are playing skeptical and trying to make 'subtle' suggestions,
but if you listen carefully, they are hard pressed to 'deny' the benefits

Drink Your Pee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7CSER25ik
(as told by a slightly racial sounding bladder! very informative at 5 min)

Andrew Norton Webber w Lisa Harrison - Apr 25, 2012 * *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw

Webbers stuff is profound, even though he is not a Dr he has received hundreds of testimonials from people, his emphasis is on distilled water's ability to cleanse, (which is well established scientific fact used in many applications, but acknowledges UT is superior, according to testimonial results, ie. 20-30 days of urine therapy can do it would take 3+ months for a gallon a day of distilled will do... the only inconsistency I could see is that Christie said that overdrinking water while doing a UT is slightly counter productive because too watered down urine is not as effective at killing viruses and germs, which makes sense, as it is already at a biologically safe 95% water.

So UT and distilled water are focusing on different factors, according to Webber, urine is a form of distilled water... and it is the ability of distilled water to pull inorganic waste from the body, whereas with Christie and Armstrong it is clearly the factors that affect EVERYTHING in the body to heal, upon release it is more purified then the blood itself and completely sterile... and it is logical evidence of its high bioactivity, that it 'breaks' down so quickly into uric acid which itself has beneficial properties. According to Armstrong, when doing UT, just drink what additional water that you need... (distilled prefereably)

I suggest having Christie's book printed out and immediately available at all times, to constantly 'program' yourself with the truth, because of a lifetime of misinformation you will have, it is going to constantly 'pull you down', others who haven't read any of this information will 'scare' you off, etc. It is NOT disgusting, it NOT human waste, it is a necessary release of 'overage' to maintain very strict homeostatic levels in the blood that must be maintained constantly, its a simple foolproof system to make sure those levels are maintained without delay, and that is what makes it a godsend to those who understand its value... And I challenge anyone who has read the pdfs provided to tell me that there is anything detrimental other then issues of perception, bias, etc... and kids aren't as 'programmed' as adults, they will respond if parents are educated and communicate this information to them...

[Flash]

All of the above and AVOID GLUTEN. Gluten much too much in actual modified wheat (modified in the fifties) will play havoc with the intestine, making it porous and having undigested food leaking in the bloodstream and provoking autoimmune response cause the immune system cannot get rid of the undigested food. The intestine will become porous with time.

25% of people are now actually sensitive to gluten (a non publish canadian study, but I know the researcher). This is after the genetic modification of the wheat we consume worldwide, mostly Canadian and American wheat - it is not GMO because it has been done manually through breeding species of wheat.

[Karunai]

I've read -while looking for a solution for my heart disease months ago- that Magnesium Chloride is good also for all arthritis. I'll put here just some random links, there are more of course.

http://magnesiumforlife.com/transdermal-magnesium/magnesium-the-lamp-of-life/

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/rheumatoid_arthritis.html

http://www.auroville.com/Vijnana/interest/mgchl.htm

http://lampoflife1.blogspot.com/2010/09/arthritis-and-magnesium.html

Infinite stream of loving and healing energies towards Maya. :)

[sigma6]

Just reading through the links,

I have just started to (very begrudgingly) hold back on garlic and onions, partially because of the UT, but also because apparently there is some nasty side effects in these foods.. garlic can penetrate everywhere in the body and actually destroys brain cells (great!) mind you cooked is less dangerous then raw, who knew? and I am seeing some weird correlations, ie. my putting up the Burzinsky thread just previous to reading this thread, and I just posted the following in a skype group... re: garlic

[1:29:26 PM | Edited 1:30:30 PM] sigma6: Dr Robert Beck - Garlic is a poison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14aZbjs0mIY
apparently it kills tens of thousands of brain cells... how sad... thought it was a tasty health food...
[1:32:32 PM] sigma6: Ayervedic consider it toxic, that is why it is used as anti bacterial agent, and has negative side effects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=PGMbAQNXlCY

and as far as MSM is concerned that also happens to be one of the factors in urine, or something very similar or derivatives of... I think it is in that list, which is why urine also has a similar ability to penetrate into human tissue, other side benefits are that it is the antidote for poisons, and cures allergies, again because of all the information in it... the human body is a chemical producing factory and feeding the urine back in provides bio-readable information that the body responds to (see basic mechanism .pdf) there is just so many levels to it, Armstrong's stories are powerful, he applied it to thousands in his lifetime and almost didn't write his book because he knew all the grief it would direct on him so he waited to near the end of his life... I am grateful he did write it...

...on second thought you might want to read through the smaller pdfs, the documented cures are unending, including cancer, aids, metablic disorders... this isn't a band aid cure... it's the real deal and this is in agreement, I think with the fasting idea, as it is a powerful cure, maybe hard for a little girl, but this is very serious... and the most prevalent amino acid in urine. Urea is converted into the amino acid glutamine by ammonia, and used specifically for rebuilding the tissue in the gut and the brain, has a healing effect on ulcers and wounds in the intestinal canal, and finally it strengthens the immune system... and used to build many other proteins as well. I truly believe that she will be cured by this... that the solution is already in hand... peace and my best wishes

[Arrowwind]

There are many causes of arthritis and the other conditions that she has. The challenge is to find the cause so you can take the appropriate treatment.

CMO got rid of debilitating arthritis for me in 20 years ago, but it did not cure. I had to repeat the cmo several times over the course of the years, but never more than for a week or so. I also had tried classical homeopathy a few times with no success before the cmo came my way. Classical homeopathy is noted for helping some cases of arthritis cure, lupus too. Classical homeopathy is certainly worth a try. Give it 6 months and several visits to get results.

I have never been able to get to the bottom of the cause of my condition but I know that when my nutrition gets out of whack that is when I start to have some difficulty. When I get back on track it goes away. Im sure it is likely related to the many times I took antibiotics as I was growing up.

If it were my child I would not try to figure it out on my own... and certainly children deserve the best... if it had been my son instead of me with the debilitating arthritis my approach would have been to find the best altertnative medical doctor or naturopath that I could find. I would seek someone who can diagnose both with energetic readings as well as dark field live blood analysis. Her condition screams loudly of microbial invasion of her system. The trick is to find the thing that can get to the microbes that she has. These can be bacterial or viral or both. She may have more than one type of microbe causing a problem. There is only one thing that I would try at home and that would be MMS1 and MMS2. But the protocols would need to be diligently followed for an extended period of time I suspect. The advantage in having a doc who can do this kind of monitoring is that they will be able to see right away what is working and what is not. They will be able to take the diagnosis to a much deeper level and get to the root of the matter.

Some medical doctors know that much of arthritis is caused by microbes and that is why you will find some people with bad arthritis managing it with antibiotics. This is not the same as septic arthritis... more like a chronic arthritic condition rather than the acute which is commonly called septic arthritis. This is not the way to go. In the long run antibiotics will only make her conditions worse. But there are antimicrobials that could help.

I have seen arthritis greatly improve in severely arthritic people when they were on antibiotics for respiratory infections... but it came back in a few months.

This child does not have any kind of common arthritis. Her condition is extreme with the lupus and osteoporosis also. Is the lupus causing the arthritic symptoms or is there a double issue here I wonder? So many diseases in one little body... but perhaps they are only symptoms of one disease.

She needs expert advice and guidance and someone who can get to the root of the matter. All these home cures are fine and one or another may or may not be helpful. If she were an adult Id say try some but because of her age and the growth she must go through there really isnt much time to waste.

Osteoporosis at her age is unusual. She should have hormonal studies done and her Vitamin D3 levels checked. I suspect she will be very deficinet in D3. She should also supplement with vitamin K2 100mcg a day with the D3. Get her glutathione levels checked. With her level of disease they could be quite low. There are many reasons that osteoporosis can develop and only a through investigation will direct you to the answer. Again, I would not leave this to a common medical doctor.

Of course much malfunction originates in the gut. A history of the use of antibiotics and other drugs can be quite revealing. Only one course of antibiotics can spiral some kids into the abyss with their health. She likely has quite a history of drug use including steriods and other nasty stuff in their attempt to repress her symptoms as the disease continues to progress.. These drugs signficiantly damage the gut and I would suspect that she needs a protocol of removal of bad microbes and a restoration of what is needed, that being good healthy probiotics and fermented foods, natural home made fermented foods, not the trash from the grocery store. She would also need restoration of the gut wall though good nutrition. MMS can do a part of this work. people with irritable bowel and crohns disease have responded well to it and their conditions are likely much worse than hers. VSL#3 is the probiotic that I recommend and is preferred for bowel disorders. Its one of the most powerful on the market.

Another nutrient that might also be helpful is lipsomal vitamin c. You can learn to make that at home and there are threads on this forum about it. She should take a good does every day. www.vitamincfoundation.info (http://www.vitamincfoundation.info)

Serrapeptase is an enzyme product that may help with symptom control. Do not expect it to cure but It may be very helpful and possilby lead to the reduction of pain meds or steroids if she is on them. www.serrapetpate.info (http://www.serrapetpate.info)

auto immune disease? what is that? your immune system starts to attach your body. But why? what initaties it?
Many naturopaths are coming to the conclusion that microbes are the initating factor, but even before that why did the microbes take over anyway? well the docs would say its because there is an auto immune issue... and aroud and aroudn it goes.

Ultimatlely I think the auto immune system goes awry when microbes invade due to a nutritional issue, either vitamin or mineral. If the gut had been damaged by the use of antibiotics or vaccination then nutritonal deficiency can set it and it becomes a spiral downward. Vaccination can also introduce foreign microbes, protiens, toxic metals and god only knows what that bring on decline. I think that sometimes these drugs (and other things as well) can make permanent disorder in the chemical pathways of the body, actually causing a genetic defect, and there is your autoimmune disorder.

there is one other thing to look into that I know about and that is low dose naltrexone http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ (http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/)
It has had some good results with arthritis and other autoimmune disorders. The challenge here is finding a doctor willing to help you to try it. I would save it as a last resort or if the child cannot be compliant with diet and other changes required. Just because you think something is good for a child to do does not mean that they will go along with it.

[Arrowwind]

Oh, I would add here that urine therapy is also a runner.. if you can get her to do it... I have seen very good results with it in the past.
If she wont take it orally there is the possibility of injections... it only takes like 1 cc subcutaneously, is my understanding

[Sidney]

I would have her tested for Lyme via the Western Blot or a Bowen test. You can google those for more info if you can get a dr to order the testing. Late stage Lyme has many of the same symptoms as such.

[ghostrider]

David Icke knows a healer that worked on creto mutwa who had a stroke and he made him whole again, I would contact him and try to get this gentleman to take a look at your niece. much love .

[etheric underground]

Ghostrider that would be amazing...thankyou shes worth it.

[IndigoStar]

Research stinging nettles for arthritis ...I only read this article at a glance but seems to give info:

http://suite101.com/article/stinging-nettles-a104401

My friend is a natural nutritionalist and he told me about this...hope she gets better soon! Much love

[Bright Garlick]

Hi everyone this is my Niece MAYA she is a very special star child, I love her very much and am very saddened to hear that she is suffering horribly with Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis (polyarthritis )Rhuematiod negative and osteoporosis lupis... She is sooo amazing and strong but we cant seem to find anything from a medicals perspective to help her. If any one can offer suggestions or put my family on to someone who possibly could help ....it would be a miracle and we would be indebted to you always...
GOD BLESS YA SOCKS KERE....
P.S UNCLE KERE LOVES YOU LOTS MAYANAISE!!

Etheric I am not going to offer any magical cures or STRONG suggestions. I will say however that such diseases have a strong familial link with emotional states and unresolved family burdens (see Bert Hellinger's work on Family Constellations and Orders of Love and Gabor Mate's book When the Body Says No). She maybe unconsciously carrying an emotional burden for a family member - maybe even a grand parent. Few people side with such beliefs but in my work with families and children, I have seen such connections first hand. If you did a family tree 4 generations and mapped all traumas and losses and illnesses and addictions - you may see the links.

I will pray with compassion and focus my energy on her body as often as I can this week.

May she be well ! Thank you for being a wonderful uncle !

Bright.

[The Truth Is In There]

there are some very long posts here so i try to keep mine concise. no fancy meds or supplements are necessary, it's all done by proper nutrition.

look at wild animals, do they get arthritis, or any other diseases for that matter? nope, usually they don't, provided they don't have to ingest man-made toxins with their food.

so what's their secret? simple - they eat what their bodies need, what they can digest and their food is alive when they eat it.

humans don't need sugar or lots of carbohydrates, refined or otherwise.

they don't need indigestible plant parts like fiber. no, indigestible fiber is NOT good for you, despite what authorities say. that's why it is indigestible by humans! it destroys the gut lining and feeds pathogens.

they definitely don't need grains and any other kinds of seeds, or stuff like soy that's full of enzyme inhibitors (avoid like the plague unless they have germinated or fermented for long periods).

humans are the only species that consumes most of their food heated, which means dead, and consequently they're the sickest species.

the single most important (and most overlooked, apparently) aspect of health is enzymes. raw food - veggies, meat, fish, organs, glands, milk, butter and fermented food will eventually cure any illness if it hasn't reached the point of no return.

fermented meat and fish may have an acquired taste but are fantastic health foods if properly prepared, full of vital nutrients that you can not get from plant foods like b12, or large quantities of fat soluble vitamins, and of course enzymes which are vital in arthritis treatment.

limit fruit intake to no more than one serving per day if any sweet stuff needs to be consumed, ideally self-grown or organic and in season. fructose is a toxin worse than any other sugar, it creates a fatty liver, raises triglycerides and pathogens love it.

[skamandar]

My advice - try crystals.

According to google the following should work:

garnet, labradorite, fluorite, magnetite

I just want to clarify - I don't really believe google. I give you that advice simply because I've tried many different crystals on myself. They really help, but not in the way the articles in google say..

So if you have some crystals, just try placing them at differeny body parts and see what happens....

[Anchor]

Everything I have learned about arthritis resolves down to diet.

Therefore, Houman's and Whitefeather's posts already said the bulk what was needed to be said - IMO of course.

Recommend a thorough detox, then forever afterwards lay off processed foods. If you she can manage it, eat more and more natural raw food. The Apple Cider Vinegar is a bridge that can help you in the transition from a diet that doesnt work, to one that does by helping the bodies alkalinity.

I know people that had virtually instant improvements.

Its a tough notion that everything happens for a reason and purpose. Sometimes figuring that out is more than half the battle.

I hope everything works out for the best and she gets what she wants (at every level of wanting).

[Aurvandil]

Poor Maya! I would advice you to get her to a acupuncturist and a doctor in Traditional Chinese Medicine. They can ease the pain from the arthritis but also recomend herbs and food to slow the sickness down.
Please, read more at https://www.acufinder.com/Acupuncture+Information/Detail/Acupuncture+for+Arthritis

Arthritis, as mentioned in the article, is caused by a number of reasons in the body and she would use very individual treatment. I am sure someone with these skills can help her. I am myself a practitioner of shiatsu and bodywork so I know it helps.

Meanwhile, I will send Maya my thoughts and love!

[Spiral]

There is nothing more tragic than a sick kid, and just about everything I've ever heard of has already been mentioned, however if she & her parents want to try some of the more unpalatable things ( like cayenne pepper or turmeric for example ) empty capsules (like you get certain medicaments & vitamins in ) are available off the internet ( I got 1000 for 20 pounds sterling), I use them for taking spices & wild oregano oil .



Maybe those of us who do reiki etc could try some remote healing ?

[etheric underground]

Thankyou all from the bottom of an Uncles heart...

[Alan]

Here is a quote from Stanley W. Jacob's book, "The Miracle of MSM: The Natural Solution for Pain"

p. 195-6
"There is no cure for rheumatoid arthritis and a few capsules or teaspoons of MSM are not going to rid the body of the disease process. But MSM does offer potentially powerful relief. It can make life much more bearable as long as you continue to take it. A very large percentage of people with rhematoid , both adults and youngsters, benefit from supplementation. In many cases, improvement is felt within a few days, making MSM a potent and attractive palliative option.
...
At my Portland clinic, I have treated more than a dozen children -- such as Kristen Miller -- who have the severe juvenile form of the illness. More than two-thirds of them have been significantly improved."

[ROMANWKT]

Cure Autoimmune disorders


THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGH IT’S YOUR RIGHT TO KNOW.


For the last 100 years scientists have been aware that cells need to communicate and identify
themselves - the only problem was they didn't know what mechanisms were used. Many top
scientists have spent years trying to find out how things worked and most 'experts' believed that
proteins were the principal mechanism.

As with most of the important discoveries they happened by chance. In 1981 a scientist
working for a pharmaceutical (drug) company made a breakthrough that in the following 15
years would change the way scientists all over the world looked at this whole area of cellular
identification. Every cell in every plant and animal communicates/identifies itself by a very
special code made up of simple biologically active sugars (monosaccharides). He inadvertently
found how the body heals itself, and that was by information being passed from the cells to the
genes, then to your dna.

This field of science has already been the subject of at least 4 Nobel prizes and we anticipate
many more in the years to come. These awards do not occur when the breakthrough is made but
often 20 or 30 years later. So don't expect to hear about this in the news now - if you decide to
join us and work with us you will be at the start of a new chapter in biochemistry and in
particular the early stages of the turn away from pharmaceutical drugs and back to natural but
scientifically proven compounds.

THE STORY

When this scientist report was published, the whole pharmaceutical world got very excited and
started a worldwide race. What excited them was not so much how the body heals itself, but by
what means did the cell talk to the genes, and then talk with the dna?

The race was on and nobody was getting the answers, until one small company saw for the first
time a single human cell close up through an electron microscope in 1994. This was a new
device, and the image was electronic, they could see it by spraying the human cell with
extremely fine gold dust.

Something did not look right as they were looking at the electronic picture. They knew that the
body is made up of 75% water and the rest bone. They thought the cells would look like tiny
balloons full of fluid, but what they saw they did not recognise.

After close study they could only describe the cell looking like a round sweet that a child
dropped on the carpet that was found a week later all trodden in, then you would pull it out, and
it looks like a hairy ball.

After studying this hairy ball, they were amazed that these hairs looked like molecules, and
after further study the conclusion was that they were molecules, but different from each other,
and so after further study, they had now recognised that there were 8 different type of
molecules.
A year later a second amazing find was baffling the small company. They found that those 8
molecules were sugar, which totally knocked them sideways as we are always told through the
Medical Institutions that the body only uses sugar for energy, and so does all of life in nature.

There are over 200 known sugars in nature, but these 8 were different as they were non-
glycaemic ( would not affect a diabetic ) and seemed to be used by the cells only. It dawned on
them that these sugar molecules, known as mono-saccharides (simple sugars) must be used by
the cell for communicating.

It took some time, but one by one they started to identify these sugars by their proper names,
and from where these sugars were derived from.
Here are their names,

GALACTOSE
GLUCOSE
FUCOSE
MANNOSE
XYLOSE
N-NEURAMINIC-ACID
N-ACETYL-GLUCOSAMINE
N-ACETYL-GALACTOSAMINE

SO HERE IS A MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGH

IF THE DNA IS THE KEY TO LIFE AND A
BLUEPRINT OF WHO YOU ARE...

THEN THE OPERATING PROGRAM OF THE HUMAN BODY HAD JUST BEEN
FOUND.

What does that mean? It means that by using these 8 sugars for communicating, a damaged cell
would pass information to your genes and then to your blueprint of who you are - the DNA.
The instruction would be passed to have that cell replaced according to your blueprint.

The whole of the alphabet can be tapped by the Morse code by dots and dashes and the
software operation of a computer is run by a binary language of on's and off's, so with different
combination of these 8 sugars, the instruction runs into millions of bits of information that
keeps the body in check with the blueprint, the DNA..

They found that all communicating was done by touch, and that all the messages were
transmitted between the cells by these sugars.

Well what other purpose would that have?

HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU CARRY A CANCER FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS AND YOUR
BODY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT IT, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT
AND WHEN IT SHOWS UP, ITS 90% THERE AND YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR YOUR
LIFE?
HOW COME THE BODY DID NOT KNOW OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
BECAUSE YOUR CELLS ARE NOT COMMUNICATING

Are you beginning to see the importance of this breakthrough?

They found that when you are communicating properly, your immune system is strong and
high, but when your cellular communication was poor, your immune system is low, and left
you in a dangerous and open position. Your body is easily attacked and vulnerable from outside
sources and from internal mismanagement.

If you went down to the sewer where there is human waste, you will find that when the waste is
separated, the residue left behind is a mass of vitamins that people have taken. These were
unsuccessfully absorbed into the body, some possibly because of low purity, but mostly they
were rejected by the body. The body will not accept what it does not recognise, your
communication is poor. You can make bricks and build a wall from the matter that people
bodies have rejected in that sewer.

Women suffering from osteoporosis have a problem with the absorption of calcium. Again the
body will reject what it does not recognise, no matter how much calcium one takes. Billions of
pounds are wasted by people, believing that they are benefiting from vitamins. The answer
would be yes they are, but only if they are communicating, and we now know for a fact that
they are not.

An average person would produce between 100 to 200 billion cells each day from their factory,
the hips, and the same amount of dead cells are removed by the body daily when you go to the
toilet.

Imagine producing billions upon billions of cells weekly with poor communication, your
immune system becomes weaker and weaker. After months and years of this, a weakness
somewhere in your body starts to produce an out of control growth of cells that have no
instructions, and they just keep on growing, you have a cancer.

The second biggest destroyer is your immune system. You had a virus, or an infection, you had
enough communication to activate your antibodies. Your immune system seems to be working,
after a few days you feel fine, and all is in order, or is it? Have the antibodies been switched off,
they were switched on, are they off?

As time goes on your un-switched antibodies go on a rampage and start to attack your body, it
starts to attack itself. They start to attack your joints, and that's called arthritis. They start to
dissolve the fatty lining on the cells of your nervous system, that's multiple sclerosis or MS for
short. They start attacking your pancreas, that's called diabetes. There are over 80 known forms
of auto-immune disorder, its destroying lives everywhere, from the very young to the old.

ARE YOU ON, OR ARE YOU OFF?

THE ONLY THING THAT KNOWS IF YOU ARE ON OR OFF IS YOUR BODY.
ARE YOU COMMUNICATING? IF YOU ARE, THEN YOU ARE OFF.
IF YOU ARE NOT COMMUNICATING PROPERLY, THEN YOU ARE STILL ON.
We now know that it takes 8 sugars to establish cell to cell communication. We now know that
the combination of 8 sugars leads to millions of possible instructions. So how do we know
which 1 of the 8 in the on or off? The answer to this is simple, nobody knows.
So why do people shove off the counter so called medicines from a chemist down their throats
being told that it will make them better, when that could be turning things ON instead of OFF?
Only by making sure that you are getting 8 of these essential sugars will you know that you are
in check or balance, only your body knows, and only when it is communicating properly.

What happens when............

YOU ARE ON WHEN YOU SHOULD BE OFF.
OR OFF WHEN YOU SHOULD BE ON

Here's a list of what's coming.

All of these conditions listed below are either manifestations of
* Incorrect communication
* Symptoms of impaired communication
* or cause incorrect communication

ADD/ADHD
Dust
Yeast
Athletic Performance
Addiction
Environmental
Alzheimer's
Quick Muscle Recovery
Adrenal Gland Failure
Food
Als-Lou Gehrigs Disease
Autism
Aging
Grass
Angina
Auto Immune Disorders
AIDS/HIV
Pollen
Anxiety
Back
Allergies
Hay Fever
Arthritis
Bacterial Infection
Animals
Seasonal
Asthma
Bi-Polar Disorder
Bladder
Body
Bones
Bone Density
Brain-Function Disorder
Breasts
Bronchitis
Bulimia
Cancer
Candida Infection
Carpal Tunnel
Cellular Death
Cerebral Palsy
Chemical Hypersensitivity
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS)
Crohn's Disease
Cystic Fibrosis
Dental Health
Depression
Degenerative Disease
Degenerative Discs
Diabetes
Down Syndrome
Earaches
Eating Disorders
Energy
Epilepsy
Fatigue
Fibroids
Fibromyalgia
Foot conditions
Gestational Diabetes
Genetic Disorders
Glaucoma
Glomerulonephrtis
Grand Mal Seizures
Gulf War Syndrome
Heart Disease
Hepatitis B & C
Herpes/Cold Sores
High Blood Pressure
High Cholesterol
Hives
Hormonal Imbalance
Hypoadrenalism
Hypoglycaemia
Hysterectomy
Immune System
Infections
Insomnia
Injuries
Lactose Intolerance
Leukaemia
Lupus
Lyme Disease
Macular Degeneration
Manic Depression
Marfan's Dyndrome
Menopause
Metabolic Disorder
Metastatic-Breast Cancer
Multiple Sclerosis (MS)
Muscular Dystrophy (FSH)
Neurological Disorders
Obesity
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
Osteoarthritis
Oral Thrush
Pain
Parkinson's Disease
Pericarditis (Fluid on the Heart)
Peripheral Neuropathy
PMS
Post Polio Fatigue
Pemphigus Vulgaris
Pneumonia
Poor Circulation
Prostate Cancer
Raynauds Syndrome
Bladder Infections
Arthritis
Schizophrenia
Sinus Infection
Spinal Cancer
Strep Throat
Stroke
Suppressed Immune System
Tennis Elbow
Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA)
Tourette's Syndrome
Tuberculosis
Ulcers
Vertigo
Viruses
Vasculitis


AND THAT'S STILL NOT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS, THERE ARE MORE.

These sugars are sugar proteins, and are now known worldwide as GLYCO NUTRIENTS.

Scientists found that your cells, genes, and dna are all coated with these sugars, and that these
sugars came from your fruit and vegetables. They are nutritional (i.e. FOOD).

So what does this mean? It means that your, primary food is fruit and vegetables fruit and
vegetables, fruit and vegetables. Yes we need meat and fish for easy proteins and amino acids,
but its fruit and vegetables, fruit and vegetables, fruit and vegetables..........

Then comes another amazing blow. When they checked the fruit and vegetables for the content
of these sugars, they found only 2 sugars in appreciable amounts; the other 6 sugars were
almost non-existent.

The 2 main sugars available in reasonable amounts were Glucose, which makes fruit taste
sweet, a natural sugar in all things and Galactose. Galactose principally comes from milk and
dairy produce. However, about 50% of people are lactose intolerant because they are missing
the enzyme lactase. So half the population only gets 1 of the 8 vital sugars in any quantity.

There is strong evidence to suggest that as little as 50 years ago our diets were significantly
different and there is every reason to believe that we were getting 4 or 5 out of the 8 vital sugars
in reasonable amounts in our diets. That meant that the missing ones could be converted from
the ones we had.

The reason why people eat well and are still producing bodily disorders is that,

WE HARVEST GREEN UNRIPE FRUIT AND VEGETABLES.
WE DID THIS, WE CREATED THE PROBLEM.

Harvesting fruit and vegetables before they are ripe is a major problem because it's only in the
last few days of the ripening process that the plant puts the real nutrients into the fruit or
vegetable.

You go to the supermarket and you buy fruit and vegetables which often have been harvested
green for their journey half-way around the world, and then left lying in a box for two weeks so
as to 'ripen'. They are then brought out to the store and "here you are madam - fresh fruit and
vegetables."

THIS STUFF IS NUTRITIONALLY empty.

AND SO IS THE ORGANIC STUFF, BECAUSE THEY DO THE SAME THING, AND IT'S
ONLY Marginally BETTER THEN THE NON-ORGANIC STUFF, OTHER THAN ITS
SUPPOSED TO BE LESS TOXIC.

They are all Green Harvested for exporting and importing and this has created major medical
problems for peoples' health worldwide.
Go back 40 to 50 years - did you ever hear people suffer from such horrendous diseases as they
do now?
Was cancer as rife as it is today? The answer is NO.

Was the number of children being diagnosed as obese and with diabetes approaching epidemic
proportions? The answer is NO.

Were many children suffering from ADD, ADHD, Dyspraxia and Autism? The answer is NO.

So what was different? Well the answer to that is simple - all your food was grown locally and
harvested ripe for people to buy and eat, and you only got what was in season.

NOW GO OUT THERE, WHEREVER THAT IS, AND FIND ME SOME FRESH, RIPE,
FRUIT AND VEGETABLES THAT WERE PICKED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO?

You have to think about it - has our health improved with modern times?

The very people that we have trusted for the last 70 years with our health are now the very ones
that are behaving like ostriches. The medical profession have been so pressured into the
pharmaceutical way of thinking that they have ignored and dismissed the very importance of
good nutrition.

Did you know that the Government knows about this? Did they tell the people? WHY NOT?

Did you know that the NHS knows about this? Have they told you? WHY NOT?

Do you know that the BMA and General Medical Council were aware of this breakthrough in
1999 and yet have done nothing positive with it? WHY NOT?

Have your doctors told you about this? WHY NOT?

Have you read in the papers about this fantastic breakthrough? WHY NOT?

It all stinks to high heaven with vested interest. MONEY.

Did you know that the pharmaceutical companies invest billions all around the world and here
in England? If the pharmaceutical companies took away their financial support from medical
schools then they would cease to exist almost overnight.

They train doctors and nurses on how to use their products which keeps our caring and sharing
government from paying for properly trained people who would know about this major
breakthrough. They are kept dumb by the large pharmaceutical companies because they have
no rights to this find, so there is no profit in it for them, and they would rather see you dead
than tell you about it.

It is known that they are working on a synthetic form of these sugars and when they do manage
this THE WHOLE WORLD WILL KNOW. Meantime people are dying, nobody knows,
nobody tells.
WHAT A WORLD WE LIVE IN.

The whole of human races cells will divide 50 to 52 times after which your regeneration
process stops and you will slowly disintegrate and die.

THIS REGENERATION PROCESS CAN TAKE YOUR LIFE TO OVER 100 YEARS IF
YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. You can shorten your life span by not taking care of
yourself which causes the division process to speed up to sustain life and you age and die
prematurely.

You can only heal while you are generating new cells, and as you get older the process slows
down, and healing takes longer. With children and teenagers the healing process is very fast if
they are healthy and communicating.

Your blood will be replaced approximately every 3 months, which means that the healing
process is faster the fresher the blood, if you are communicating well. Most of your skin cells
will regenerate within 28 days, deeper muscle tissues take about 3 months.

Most of your organ's cell replacement take 4 to 5 years, and your bones can take 7 years for the
cells to replace, and up to 9 years for your long bones.

The whole process of healing is done cell by cell, and that takes time. If your body is in a
chronic state with disease, death can occur before the body had a chance to repair - it takes
time.

The conclusion is that the body was NOT designed to get itself into a chronic state of illness,
and all things necessary for it have been supplied in nature to keep it from such state. Medicines
can stop, or delay, the process of death by a chronic or acute illness but will hardly ever cure
the core cause of the disease.

Only your blueprint, your DNA at the heart of every cell, knows what your disorder is, and it's
only that which can restore your body to full health.

It has been found that by the time we reach middle age we have already developed a variety of
conditions that will be responsible for our death in later years.

All these diseases and disorders can be avoided by making sure that we have these 8 necessary
sugars in our diets. If a symptom has already developed we can, in most cases, see remarkable
transformations over time as the cells start to communicate properly.

There are 4 basic necessary avenues that we have to oversee with 3 Nutrients that will sustain
good health & communication;
* Identify
* Protect & Repair
* Regulate
GLYCONUTRIENTS - identify: They are the 8 sugars that the body uses as tools for
communication or identification. They also support the body's ability to produce the most
potent antioxidant that you could lay your hands on. Monosaccharides are best derived from
food and eaten as food. Some monosaccharides, if we ate them in their final form would be
destroyed by the acidity in the stomach.

PHYTOCHEMICALS - Protect & Repair: They are made from fully ripe fruit and vegetables,
which are extremely high in antioxidants, cleanse the body throughout, and are extremely
important for your immunity.
PLANT STEROL - Regulate: The hormonal or endocrine system is what regulates everything
about your body. There are 600 varieties of Mexican yam but only 6 have a very special
compound called Dioscorea. Dioscorea has the highest amount of plant sterols of almost any
plant. You have 88 hormones in your body controlling every thing about you; your moods, your
blood temperature, all your bodily functions are all controlled by these hormones.

Medicines, steroids, and life's stresses throw your hormones out of balance which will affect
the way your are. It will affect your metabolism, which will affect your health.

Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is the most widely sold pharmaceutical drug in the
world. What would it be worth to know that you can help your own body to produce the
missing hormones and hence have no need of drugs or their side effects? like cancer.

It must be understood that GLYCONUTRIENTS, PHYTOCHEMICALS, and PLANT
STEROLS, CANNOT and WILL NOT cure you of anything. They are ONLY THE TOOLS
that your body needs and requires to heal itself. Only the body heals, always. There are no
miracle cures, there are no wonder drugs, there are only deficiencies of the tools that your body
needs in your diet. Put the tools back into your diet and the body has the communication with
your blueprint to give instructions with the tools given to heal itself.

As I have said before, and I will say it again, the products are absolutely vital, for every man
woman and child. With the modern ways of producing food which leave all of us deficient,
what we have here is PRICELESS

THIS IS SUBMITTED TO YOU AS FACTUAL INFORMATION AND REQUIRES YOU
TO UNDERSTAND AND RE-EXAMINE YOUR APPROACH TO YOUR FAMILY'S
HEALTH.


Just an add on. I know of MMS I have it. But as good as MMS is, I does not CURE the problem.

Regards to all
Roman.

[genevieve]

etheric underground--

Many great suggestions.
Here's one more: make sure your niece is drinking enough water to keep her cells hydrated.

Many many health problems are caused by the body's need for water.
Most of the time only the symptoms of dehydration (such as arthritis or back pain) are being treated.

F. Batmanghelidj studied and wrote extensively about this problem.
Go to watercure.com to find out the basics.
Also: watercure2.org.

Drinking water might be the simplest and fastest way to make a difference.

Best wishes.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Finefeather]

Just like to add something here which may be of help. I started developing arthritis in my hands and joints at about 45, got very bad and was on cortisone for a year. Not wanting to continue this drug I asked one of of my friends to look at my aura. My bottom chakra was partially blocked and this resulted in adrenal gland distress. After this was cleared the knuckle swelling and deposit was gone in about 3 months. I no longer use cortisone or any form of chemical drugs and my joints are clear. Chiropractic manipulation should also be looked at seriously because children are very susceptible to spinal malalignment. I now go once a month for chiropractic maintenance. I have regular kidney and liver detox. I also avoid refined sugars. and do not eat food with starch in it or wheat, like potatoes and rice and pastas and bread. I feel great !

Here is one more thing you may want to consider:
She probably would have started this problem around 7 years old because that is the approximate age that the etheric body has fully integrated into the physical body.
Many diseases which develop early in children are due to chakra imbalance and spinal malalignment, sadly regular doctors do not believe in this.
This is why I would look at the bottom chakra first and the adrenal gland distress. Now a good Reiki practitioner can help here.
The final thing I would suggest around the adrenal area is kidney parasites.
Dr Hulda Clarke was most active with parasite problems: http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/kidney_cleanses/advanced_kidney_chart.php
Hope this helps.

[onawah]

I don't know if fresh aloe vera leaves for consumption would be available where your niece lives, but if so, I would highly recommend she consume 1 pound or more per day.
There are different kinds of aloe--the aloe leaves for consumption are huge, from 1-3 or more lbs. each. They have a much tougher skin and a much less bitter taste than the small houseplant varieties.
(In comparison, the bottled aloe products are practically worthless, and I do not recommend them at all.)
I have posted some very good info on aloe vera on PA, but I never did understand how the search engine works here, so I can't retrieve links for you, but one of the Mods probably could.
But check out this comprehensive article:
http://www.naturalnews.com/021858.html
and this one by Jon Barron, whose info on nutrition and product line are top of the line:
http://www.jonbarron.org/immunity/barron-report-aloe-immune-system-boosters

A study was done at a Texas University involving serious cases of AIDS and cancer. Patients were given fresh aloe every day and their symptoms improved remarkably and even disappeared.
This has been kept quiet since Big Pharma has no way of synthesizing the properties in aloe that give so much relief.
But it just can't be beat when it comes to inflammation and strengthening the immune system.

I buy 35-50 lbs of fresh aloe leaves from Aloe Labs in Harlingen Texas and have them shipped to me via UPS. Shipping costs fluctuate, and it's the shipping that costs the most. The leaves are currently about 30 cents per lb.
Mexican Markets generally carry the leaves in the US and Mexico. If your niece lives in Australia, I would imagine they would grow there, as aloe is a desert plant.
I use 1-2 lbs in a fruit smoothie every AM.
The leaves will keep for a month or longer if kept dry and with good air circulation. They don't need refrigeration, unless they have been cut into.
When preparing, the prickly edges are cut off first, and the bottom and top of the leaf, then the skin is peeled from one side of the plant, revealing the gel, which can be scooped out with a spoon.
There is a new powdered aloe vera gel product out now that I have not tried myself, but it might be worth a try if the fresh leaves are not available.
See:
http://www.naturalnews.com/022016.html

Turmeric and Boswellian are also very good for inflammation, which is the symptom common to almost all disease, and which, if prevented, is key to both relief and cure.

[sigma6]

There are some very 'interesting' suggestions, but I am still hearing clear misconceptions about 'urine therapy' it's not really a 'therapy' any more then people who practice yoga, or meditate, or exercise or brush their teeth with non-fluoridated toothpaste, etc, ie. either people have either availed themselves of the existing information on the subject and acted on it, or they have relied on third party 'rhetoric' from people who themselves have listened to the 'experts' who in turn will say things like there is no 'scientific' evidence... blah blah blah... (when in fact there IS... THEY just haven't READ it... so all these 'scientists' are just giving is their 'scientific' opinion based on the fact that they have not read any studies... studies that have been documented, recorded and sitting in research journals in university libraries hidden away from public scrutiny.

here are some quotes in reference to urine: (all from Christie's book)
"more scientific papers have probably been published on this substance than on any other organic compound."
— Journal of the American Medical Association
July 3, 1954

"It was found that many physical illnesses were relieved, such as multiple sclerosis, colitis, hypertension, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, hepatitis, hyperactivity, pancreatic insufficiency, psoriasis and eczema, diabetes, herpes zoster, and mononucleosis."
— Dr. N. Dunne
Medical Advisor to the Irish Allergy Treatment and Research Association
Oxford Medical Symposium,
1981

"This substance acts as an excellent and safe natural vaccine and has been shown
to cure a wide variety of disorders including chronic and acute hepatitis,
whooping-cough, asthma, hayfever, hives, migraine and intestinal disfunctions.
The method is so simple it can be used without any difficulties."
— Plesch
Medical Press, London,
1947

"It surprisingly and easily kills viruses. In strong concentration, it not only weakens
viruses such as polio and rabies, but actually destroys them."
— Proceedings of the Society of Experimental Biology,
1936

It goes on and on... the TRUTH is there is NO END to the studies by mainstream scientists that have been done on it...

And yet people turn around and suggest everything from hanging magical mushrooms on a full moon to various nutritional regiments. Don't get me wrong, there is a grain of truth to ALL these things I am sure... but some of them are hard pressed to have ANY scientific evidence, either pro or con... and given this little girl's condition, and her age, it would seem to me her condition isn't that she has spent a lifetime consuming toxic junk or, suffers from poor nutrition, or psychological 'repressed' traumas, although these MAY be possible contributing factors.

None of these address the underlying cause. I will guess that she has taken vaccines. That could be the only possible source of 'toxic junk' at her tender age... vaccines mess with the existing immune system, no exceptions... and although most 'survive' it, it is still overall sub optimal in it's manipulation of what it is trying to do to the existing immune system... and it has been a huge multi-billion dollar misinformation campaign that has been going on for almost a century now...

Another quote from the book:
"These degenerative illnesses — far from being bull's eye illnesses — are complex
dysfunctions of bodily systems that must be approached systematically...
... Medical historians report that the dramatic improvements in morbidity and mortality rates in the past hundred years were not exclusively, nor even mainly, due to doctors' intervention. The great health improvements of the nineteenth century were not the result of medical interventions per se, but of basic improvements in nutritional and living conditions that coincided with (and often preceded) these interventions."
excerpt from "The Betrayal of Health" by Joseph Beasley,
1991 referenced in Christie's book

And I am only guessing here but this appears to be a 'systemic' disorder... some complex function is out of balance, the fancy words to 'label' it always alleviates parent's concerns (whew, now we know what she has...) it's just a word game... a label... it may not even be a completely accurate definition or observation... believe me this wouldn't the first time. And accomplishes little more then creating the justification to now prescribe some overpriced, overly concentrated 'band aid' solution that only 'alleviates' the symptoms, some doctors will 'lovingly and compassionately' tell you how "there is no cure" ... Doctors are only human, and their training is funded by the Pharmaceuticals, as is their bottom line. It is not possible for them to not have a bias given their training and lifestyle... so just deal with it... People who hang on every word from their Doctors are fools, they are an 'expert' opinion at best... and can't operate outside their context anymore then a lawyer will admit that the 'name' (on your birth certificate) is a legal property owned by the government... Anyhoooo... the answer has to be something which has the ability to directly address this imbalance. period.

Interesting but is seems abundantly clear that there are still so many who haven't made the effort to even read the information. But I know what the result would be if they did... it is just too compelling, and there are too many case studies and too many scientific studies. It would burst their bubbles, conflict with their heavily invested pre-conceived notions. It's exactly the same phenomena that exists between smokers and non-smokers. You cannot reason with a smoker that their bizarre ritual of 'cigarette breaks' and nicotine fits is nothing more then hormonal reactions in their bodies, addiction behaviour. Rational explanation doesn't work, because their rational mechanism in this area is compromised, their 'emotional anxiety at even the thought of not ingesting that nicotine is too 'scary' to think about... On the other hand a non-smoker doesn't understand what the smoker is going through either. Ditto for explaining a high protein and saturated fat, low carb diet to an obese carb eater... instant anxiety... they too can't help it, as they experience carb highs and lows caused from the easy consumption and burning of readily available sugar, while stimulating the fat storage pathway, inhibiting the ability to burn fat.... They don't know what it is like to have their appetites 'suppressed' or know what it feels like for their bodies to burn fat, instead of sugar, therefore even the 'suggestion' creates an immediate emotional response... in both cases this is understandable they are both exhibiting classic addiction behaviour. Unfortunately this creates a blindspot in the very area they need to look for the solution to their problem, they are caught in a negative spiral.

But the same applies to 'thinking', like the 'thinking' involved with the imagined 'fear' of being confronted with a glass of urine... their repugnance may be justified (depending on their diets) and the response is immediate resistance and indirect rationalizations, and then a fall back to various diet regiments and incredibly fringe and esoteric 'remedies' that have have very little or no scientific studies. (and I know many are valid with science to back them, but still some are rather exotic, pricey, and complicated, and I am trying to wonder how appropriate given the context...)

In the case of urine therapy it is 'fringe' only because particular interests have been with-holding the scientific studies which go back to the late 1800s, the evidence of its potential is WELL KNOWN to the pharmaceutical corporations. the proof is the fact that they will pay millions to porto-potti companies, and some own their own to extract only ONE component of it, and some usually get theirs from animals that are severely mal-treated btw, in order to sell it disguised as a sophisticated 'drug' to unsuspecting customers to only treat ONE particular condition... The evidence is crystal clear, the studies are numerous...

But it is ALSO a 'home remedy' in the sense that you don't have to go to your pharmacist, pee in a bottle, then have him go into a backroom, slap a label on it and return it to you in order to charge you hundreds of dollars (or should I say third party bill the government hundreds of dollars) The only thing you need, to take advantage of something that is so precious, so valuable, so 'sophisticated' that there is no pharmaceutical lab in the world that could re-create it, let alone 'customize' it for each any individual (and it has been tried, just like they are 'trying' to 're-invent' marijuana in the lab, which can't be done either...) And it is free, not valueless, just free, immediately available. It is the great equalizer, it was what saved the ebola victims in Africa... It's not fancy or sexy or associated with the wealthy or elite (although it maybe...) It is available to every single man, women and child on this planet... the implications are staggering, people are dying from this lack of knowledge while even people in this room, would prefer to quibble and play politics...

Anyhow, emotional thinking more often then not will overpower rational thinking, this is a fundamental truth of all power of mind books. Cest la vie... it is no wonder that the most common theme in a great majority of the cures was that many of the people taking it, were given a prognosis of death, and did it as a last resort. I consider myself strong willed but it was still one of the greatest psychological challenges. So I DO UNDERSTAND what others are are going through out there... [update] Another thing that has just hit me, I remember when I was a young teenager, my grandfather asking for my urine, because he wanted it for some health remedy, he had just recently moved in with us because of his age, and I always felt that we weren't looking after him very well because he was so isolated from everything that he used to be familiar with, but then I remember that I too was just struggling and never paid much attention to his abrupt change of lifestyle, not really having an appreciation for what it meant to be getting old. Eventually I left after high school and found out that he died. I never thought about it until now, that he was asking for my urine because he knew about it, and that his health was failing. But the ignorance of my family and myself just ignored it as silliness....]

It is sad but true that many here, who still prefer to feed their denial, rationalize, avoid the opportunity to educate themselves, etc, while they 'cultivate' their 'diabetes' 'blood sugar conditions' 'asthma' and 'exceptional 'arthritis', etc... and yes it is true that some of these things very well may have a psychological component. But just like physically cleaning a house has a powerful psychological effect, so too does the physical act of taking some urine, putting into a glass, examining it and then consuming it... and interestingly enough, there are constituents that have a calming effect which I find incredible again at the holistic completeness of this.. It seems nature has covered every factor, compensating for every bodily need, for example if your doing it to diet, there will be ketones present which will be an excellent nutrient source for the heart, thus reducing the stress of the body while it adjusts enzymatically to the stress of fat burning and losing weight and so on...

I can't pretend to understand all the properties or isolate the 'one' factor that is what is making it work, in fact the truth of the matter is, that isn't how complex functions operate anyhow. It is a myriad of interacting variables creating synergistic reactions, beyond what could probably be isolated and analyzed cost effectively. That is why the scientists can safely say there is 'not enough scientific evidence' to validate it... it's undoubtedly a political statement they are making... based on their limited references or agendas or similar... no scientific approach has been created to possibly analyze every possible interpretation... be careful even science has it's 'legal' technical jargon...

So why limit yourself to one commercially manufactured derivative, when you can have several hundreds of critical 'factors' working synergistically together, all 100% bio-available and completely recognizable to the body, it may or may not taste great, but it's definitely not as bad as you may think, and definitely better then taking a bunch of vitamins and minerals and grinding them mixing them in some liquid (that is actually worse tasting)

Anyhow getting back to fasting and urine... if one does feel the need to 'add nutrition... or eat with it, you will find you will naturally avoid salt, spices, meat, (fasting with juiced vegetables, is a great way to go, ie. juice some celery, cucumber (lots of liquids) with some kale or collards (best organic calcium sources, and a bit of apple, a few radishes, enough for a couple of days.

But... Armstrong's stories are powerful, he applied it to thousands in his lifetime And strict fasting was the biggest factor in his reported case studies, especially for the serious cases, which most were. The principle of fasting itself is quite fascinating, but combining it with urine therapy is unbeatable. The ultimate in biological efficiency. There must be something about eliminating all the 'side effects' of food processing while the body is trying to heal, it does makes sense... and he highly, highly stressed a strict fast, not even as much as some carrot juice etc...

And I wondered on that... and based on what I have read and tried, I will guess it had something to do with the fact that it redirects all the body's resources to the body itself with no distractions, and no complicating variables that introducing food might entail. There is a similar principle when I am diagnosing really difficult computer hardware issues, I will sometime, systematically eliminate each component one by one until I am down to the motherboard and memory sometimes, because some issues do in fact turn out to be what I can only call 'interactive' (compatibility) issues caused by the interactions of two pieces of otherwise perfectly working hardware components. So too with bugs/viruses that may try to 'mix in with' or hide in the food consumption process...

There is a similar protocol when taking anti-biotics or trying to rebuild healthy bacteria through fermented food dieting. The parasites/bad bacteria/viruses... are living reactive organisms, and when they are starved they will try 'fight back' and will try to move throughout the body to survive, so there is a critical 'time window', where the introduction of the smallest amount of sugar could trigger a rebound and undue all the gradual flushing process that a fast entails.

I think the fasting idea therefore is powerful and simple and direct, and this is a serious illness. And it burns me to think that your precious dear would miss out, because others biases, prejudice, misconceptions, or aversion to reading a small book, etc... this is someone's life here... I don't think I am out on limb here, or operating on faith, but knowledge and facts, and research and my own direct experience, she deserves and has all the potential to be healed, regardless others inability to see this... I don't think anything goes to the heart of the issue then recognizing that her own body ultimately is what will heal her, and therefore what could possibly aid and assist her own body to begin this healing process? All the 'information' is in her urine. The process of reading this 'information' starts with the glands in her throat and goes through her entire being... and her being so young, she will most likely avoid a lot of the herxheimer symptoms older people go through from a lifetime of bad habits and all manner of health issues that are addressed when their bodies undergo this powerful cure... nip this in the bud while she is still young and strong... and be done with it... godspeed

[noxon medem]

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Hi everyone this is my Niece MAYA she is a very special star child, I love her very much and am very saddened to hear that she is suffering horribly with Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis (polyarthritis )Rhuematiod negative and osteoporosis lupis... She is sooo amazing and strong but we cant seem to find anything from a medicals perspective to help her. If any one can offer suggestions or put my family on to someone who possibly could help ....it would be a miracle and we would be indebted to you always...
GOD BLESS YA SOCKS KERE....
P.S UNCLE KERE LOVES YOU LOTS MAYANAISE!!

- seems to me she have some strength .
Maybe to release the grip on the cat ,
- you know how cats are ..
and use that energy on the legs ...
( seems she need it more ..).

Be well .

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[sigma6]

Saw this in a skype group, it's about pets, but the theme is the same, vaccines correlate with autoimmune disorders... urine is the best vaccine because it faciliates the body's own immune system to do what it was designed to do, respond to antigens and create its own defenses without all the toxins of manufactured vaccines

[1:16:02 AM] Tai: There is a paper on the "Science of vaccine damage in animals" and it flat out states that Autoimmune hemolytic anemia is commonly understood to be one of the results of vaccine induced damage.
[1:27:09 AM | Edited 1:29:00 AM] Tai: It is also widely acknowledged that vaccines can cause a fast-acting, usually fatal, disease called autoimmune haemolytic anaemia (AIHA). Without treatment, and frequently with treatment, individuals can die in agony within a matter of days. Merck, itself a multinational vaccine manufacturer, states in The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy that autoimmune haemolytic anaemia may be caused by modified live-virus vaccines, as do Tizard's Veterinary Immunology (4th edition) and the Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine.(devil) The British Government's Working Group, despite being staffed by vaccine-industry consultants who say they are independent, also acknowledged this fact. However, no one warns the pet owners before their animals are subjected to an unnecessary booster, and very few owners are told why after their pets die of AIHA.

[Houman]

Yes Lyme disease can mimic her symptoms... I would suggest the CD-57 test to check for chronic infection (200,000 new cases/year in the US, many people have it without knowing it)

see
http://www.healthcentersofamerica.com/information.cfm?id=144


I would have her tested for Lyme via the Western Blot or a Bowen test. You can google those for more info if you can get a dr to order the testing. Late stage Lyme has many of the same symptoms as such.

[Ultima Thule]

Many good things have already been said here. Avoid nightshade, very good - second that. However I recommend to look at why nightshade cause auto-immune symptoms? It is because of lectins, they are proteins that interact with your body, to be more exact with the mono- and polysaccharides that Roman was writing about. Those monosaccharides form the communication network on your cell surface, that is different with each ABO blood group. Lectins, of which GLUTEN is one of the more nasty ones, grap onto the cell surface monosaccharide-"hairs" and if such a connection is made, clotting is ensued, which will require "cleaning" and causes inflammation. Also these lectins can aggravate an immune response if and when they get into the blood stream via a leaking gut(a possible condition going on). Some of these lectins mimic the proteins of the body, causing the antigens to attack the normal cells of the body.

As I said, lot of ground covered here. Be mindful about the distilled water, drinking it will call for mineral supplementation as minerals will possibly be removed from the body as distilled water is consumed. Water doesn´t actually travel as H2O in blood stream so it is not that simple, but do be mindful about that advice.

What I have done with lupus-patients is to manage the painful joints with fire needle. It is a wolfram needle heated up to over 400 centigrade and then a quick puncture is made into where pain exactly is. This induced burn will stimulate leucocytes into the area that will help with the inflammation. With the general condition I use acupuncture, which is not always a slam dunk issue of getting results. Nutrition is very important, niacin(B3) and vitamin e have been used successfully. Do consult for example Abram Hoffer&Andrew W. Sauls book Orthomolecular medicine for everyone.

What is perhaps even more important is what to omit, gluten being a very possible culprit. It is important to also dismiss ALL products with glucose-syrup, glucose-fructose syrup, starch-syrup and fructose-syrup. They are most often made out of wheat or barley and may contain small amounts of gluten AND perhaps more importantly other wheat or barley specific lectins that also can aggravate similar results. I have tried this regime on my celiac-patients and when skipping the syrups they get even better.

I will not write more as quite a lot of good information has been surfacing here already.
Do ask me privately in some time about the monosaccharide results, I am just today starting to try them on a lupus patient.

UT

[etheric underground]

Would any one suggest jim humbles MMS???

[wynderer]

hi Etheric Underground -- i read your post when you first posted it -- i have been hesitant to reply because my thoughts are along different lines from others here -- & because they are not pleasant

when i read that Maya is a Star Child, i thought 'Uh oh' -- Star Children are particularly targeted for abductions, & almost all abductees suffer from the conditions Maya has, or similar -- i myself endure what was diagnosed as 'fibromyalgia' & 'chronic fatigue syndrome' [CFS] --

here's a clip & link to one of many articles on the net re the correlation between abductions & certain illnesses:

>'Has anyone on this list, data which correlates Auto Immune
>diseases with the Abduction Phenomena? We are particularly
>interested in such illnesses as Multiple Sclerosis, Lupus and
>Arthritis. These diseases are indicative of an _overactive_
>immune system.'

http://ufoupdateslist.com/2000/apr/m10-009.shtml

i don't do doctors/hospitals, but friends convinced me to get tests done -- according to them, i am healthy, & i look healthy -- i have been an organic vegan for well over 40 yrs, & eat lots of fresh fruits & veggies --

i know exactly when & how i got these Designer Diseases --a strange story not belonging in this thread -- & i know that my conditions are not naturally occurring [from genetic predisposition/growing up near a toxic waste dump, etc]

i am hoping for Maya's sake [a very pretty niece you have, Unc] that her conditions are naturally caused, & that the many excellent suggestions offered here will speed her along to health -- if she is an abductee -- well, they don't seem to want us to get healthy -- each abduction undoes/counteracts a lot of any self-healing i have managed to stick to thru the weird pain & exhaustion

wyn

[Amysenthia]

I have always found Dr. Mercola's website is a valuable resource for medical cures. He takes the holistic approach to treatments, but grounded in science methods. His website has free articles on a variety of diseases: www.Mercola.com.


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/31/everything-you-need-to-know-about-arthritis.aspx

Best of luck to you and your niece!

[sigma6]

Would any one suggest jim humbles MMS???

I have heard many have had success, but I have also heard there is the potential for negative side effects, if the wrong dosage is taken, or the length of time taking it too long, etc. it is a very powerful agent for both good but definitely has a toxicity to it.... and I am always amazed at the 'mysterious' way it is never exactly identified as to what it is actually made of??? Essentially it is the same argument as garlic, it is potent in it ability to kill other harmful nasties, but that also makes it potentially harmful to healthy cells. I have heard it is itself almost a form of bleach, something I read in passing, I can't confirm it, until I find exactly where I had read that, but that was the gist based on someone's experience I read somewhere.

On the other hand the virus fighting, antimicrobial properties, and cellular rejuvenation of urine, is the exact opposite. It has been stated by many sources and authorities including one of the Navies, that it is completely NON toxic. It is filtered blood! a kind of serum, it has the brackish taste of seawater just as our blood has a similar concentration to the sea...

Understand the difference between fresh sterile urine and the stuff that has been decaying into a putrid ammonia that you smell in public washrooms. Like a real nutritional food it WILL decay very rapidly. Unless being used for particular therapeutic reasons, or external use it should be drunk within at least 20 minutes as a general rule...

Because of it biological properties it can even be injected into the bloodstream in some therapies and used as a blood substitute in 'emergencies', what does that tell you?...(it may be superior to virus infected blood these days... try that with MMS! (not)... It even REVERSES Kidney failure!

It IS the safest and most gentle treatment, which is why I suggest it so strongly, especially for a child... it rebuilds you on the cellular level, from the inside out... it is your answer.... you just have to adjust your 'thinking'. Read those .pdfs and you will become a warrior of truth and will want to share this with all who love and protect her... and they will need to be made aware and educated on the centuries and millenia of wisdom that is being brought back into the common knowledge. They too may need to go over it and over it, it has to sink in slowly, contemplated, just think of the healings, 'miraculous' cures, but if they are sincere in their desire to see her well, they will come to appreciate what they have in their hands with this sacred and private and personal knowledge.

This is truly an exercise of mind, a test of your ability to exercise truth in your life. Do you doubt this? then continue reading... until you 'see' it clearly... that in truth it is all plusses... there is no down side... (except a limitation in thinking... in perception) Thus her healing of body, will be your healing of 'mind' (it will open your eyes). There is a real 'know thyself' truth aspect going on in relationship to it, of this I now have no doubt... yes... it has to be experienced... to be appreciated... it is empowering to have such a secret of nature within your understanding...

The Police:
Secret Journey

Upon a secret journey
I met a holy man
His blindness was his wisdom
I'm such a lonely man

And as the world was turning
It rolled itself in pain
This does not seem to touch him
He pointed to the rain

You will see light in the darkness
You will make some sense of this
And when you've made your secret journey
You will find this lonely man

And on the days that followed
I listened to his words
I strained to understand him
I chased his thoughts like birds

You will see light in the darkness
You will make some sense of this
And when you've made your secret journey
You will find this lonely man

You will see light in the darkness
You will make some sense of this
You will see joy in this sadness
You will find this love you miss

And when you've made your secret journey
You will be a holy man...

And when you've made your secret journey
You will be a holy man...

[jackovesk]

Please consider...

Aug 12, 2012 by GetToWellness

Arthritis was cured in animals decades ago as well as hundred of other diseases that still plague humans. Dr. Joel Wallach who is both a veternarian and a physician, has formulated highly absorbable medical nutritional protocols for hundreds of chonic diseases based on this research that is just as effective in the human population as it is in the animal kingdom.

Dr. Joel Wallach - Arthritis - Youngevity


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a2S86A5fj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a2S86A5fj4

Youngevity Healthy Bone and Joint pack (item # 10247)

http://youngevityproducts.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/HealthyBoneJointPack-10247_150px.jpg


This consist of the Osteo Fx Plus, the Beyond Tangy Tangerine canister and a 90count EFA plus and of course, the bone and joint team of Gluco Gel and CM Cream! A must have for bone and joint problems.

http://www.youngevity-health.net/store/product_info.php/cPath/79/products_id/811?osCsid=d02ef1681efec5ff500d0e81707317c6

PS - I have had 3 Knee Reconstructions due to sport, which has caused those ongoing 'Arthritic' aches & pains...

So I am only interested in the stuff I use myself, backed up by nothing but 'Common Sense' & 'Years & Years of Research' which (I personally Know) works...:)

[PHARAOH]

Your wish is my command... :wizard:

[Marsila]

All very good advise here, one more thought though.

Perhaps she can keep a journal so she can write down how she feels after eating different foods? as diets are important, but everyone's body is different. This way she will know better what gives her more energy, and what makes her feel lethargic so she can avoid it.

[Dennis Leahy]

Sigma6 writes very well (logic and flow and word selection), but more importantly writes compellingly, driven by passion. I am drawn to that kind of message/messenger, but my rational mind then pops in with the question, "qui bono?" (who benefits?) In other words, when I find material that breaks through some mindset that I have, I have to then know if there is a chance that I am being expertly "led down the garden path" by someone who is able to manipulate me for their benefit (or by someone who is doing it unknowingly, because they themselves have been manipulated.)

In this case, that is a very short sidetrack journey: Sigma6 is not an author making residuals, not a medical practitioner beating his chest, not representing any pharmaceutical manufacturers (or their products), and is not just regurgitating convincing info read somewhere, but rather has personal experience to back up the claims of the written material. The written material is a free download. Sigma6's advice is written with passion stemming from compassion, and tempered with research (not just an emotional compassionate response.)

Etheric underground, I'm not sure how much influence you have on the family as an uncle, but perhaps you could point the parents to this thread. The advice to remove the most common precipitating factors (gluten, excess - and all refined - sugars, nightshade plant foods), adding naturally-fermented foods, and having her drink only pure water (preferably from an an artesian spring, or deep well and tested for heavy metals, naturally occurring fluoride and pollutants) I believe to be excellent advice and not terribly hard to at least try for 6 months. (Removing all grains from a diet is more difficult - I know, I've tried.)

At the same time (and time is of the essence for this little girl), she could immediately, without cost, with no risk of toxicity, start on Urine Therapy. Why not? (I am downloading the info as I type this. As I said, something in Sigma6's words were compelling enough to me to finally help me make a mindset breakthrough, and I'm going to try it - along with the advice in the third paragraph above - for chronic IBS. I'm guessing the first sip is the most difficult, and only because of preconceived notions.)

Maya is in pain, and the emotionally compassionate response from her parents will be to alleviate pain. The quickest ways to alleviate pain are pharmaceuticals that will mask the pain and possibly mask other symptoms - and make treatment more difficult. The intellectually compassionate approach to alleviate pain is to immediately go after the actual, underlying cause, and not just to mask the pain.

Sending healing vibes her way. :~)

Dennis

[sigma6]

Sigma6 writes very well (logic and flow and word selection), but more importantly writes compellingly, driven by passion. I am drawn to that kind of message/messenger, but my rational mind then pops in with the question, "qui bono?" (who benefits?) In other words, when I find material that breaks through some mindset that I have, I have to then know if there is a chance that I am being expertly "led down the garden path" by someone who is able to manipulate me for their benefit (or by someone who is doing it unknowingly, because they themselves have been manipulated.)

In this case, that is a very short sidetrack journey: Sigma6 is not an author making residuals, not a medical practitioner beating his chest, not representing any pharmaceutical manufacturers (or their products), and is not just regurgitating convincing info read somewhere, but rather has personal experience to back up the claims of the written material. The written material is a free download. Sigma6's advice is written with passion stemming from compassion, and tempered with research (not just an emotional compassionate response.)

Well actually I was planning on selling my own pee for a dollar a pint, but you've now blown those plans!... kidding aside, thanks for saying this Leahy, I am very desirous of spreading the 'enlightenment, and agree with Webber, this creates self empowerment, we win gain power on this, big government, et al, loses power, the implications of this are actually huge... it will take a few weeks to truly 'condition' yourself, you will see major changes in your body as it reacts, know that it is cleansing you, big time, I am so glad, I have reduced my vitamin usage to a tiny fraction, no longer buy oxygen cleansers (exspensive) and the results continue, so what is that, compared to your life? absolutely no regrets, I can't wait to see 'me' in a few months of this... (I'm about 45 days now... I love it... I didn't realize how unhealthy and toxic I really was...)


Etheric underground, I'm not sure how much influence you have on the family as an uncle, but perhaps you could point the parents to this thread. The advice to remove the most common precipitating factors (gluten, excess - and all refined - sugars, nightshade plant foods), adding naturally-fermented foods, and having her drink only pure water (preferably from an an artesian spring, or deep well and tested for heavy metals, naturally occurring fluoride and pollutants) I believe to be excellent advice and not terribly hard to at least try for 6 months. (Removing all grains from a diet is more difficult - I know, I've tried.)

Sure this goes without saying... and it does seem younger generations I see are not as hardy, is it any wonder? what with all that is going on with C-sections, preemies, bottle feeding, gmo food, pollution, vaccines, economics... mind you I'm big on distilled water, on the premise the mineral content is too small anyhow to be relevant for most populations, its not worth getting stuck with all the other 'unwanted' minerals.... and your time scale intrigues me, 6 months, wait til you read some of the case studies, kids cure VERY quickly compared to adults.

In the womb, the baby is connected to the umbilical cord at the belly, the baby is urinating directly into the amniotic fluid, which is itself essentially urine, by definition. EVERYONE knows how precious amniotic fluid is, well .... it's essentially URINE! with a few extra hormones maybe.

And it is that urine that is developing the lungs of the baby by breathing and drinking and recycling back out this liquid! When we take it, we are recreating that same regenerative effect. No wonder it cures allergies and other similar disorders, I think the other side of this equation is healthy bacteria, it's another major overlooked factor not talked about enough, and a very serious issue because it too has to be made 'at home', as everything in a store is 'pasteurized' (but that's another story...)



At the same time (and time is of the essence for this little girl), she could immediately, without cost, with no risk of toxicity, start on Urine Therapy. Why not? (I am downloading the info as I type this. As I said, something in Sigma6's words were compelling enough to me to finally help me make a mindset breakthrough, and I'm going to try it - along with the advice in the third paragraph above - for chronic IBS. I'm guessing the first sip is the most difficult, and only because of preconceived notions.)

Again, it is sooo good to hear the message is getting through! I will expect to hear your feedback Leahy after you have read the material, it IS excellent, compelling, and 'fast' reading, I go back to it for reference, ideal bathroom material because it is so 're-readable'... (lol) Also glad to hear that you can get it off 4shared, those sites can be user unfriendly, concern me... (ps don't download anything when you join for access....)

Here it is again... the UT_Info.zip is ALL the .pdfs listed in one zip file
http://www.4shared.com/dir/nvUiiTFn/Distilled_Water.html



Maya is in pain, and the emotionally compassionate response from her parents will be to alleviate pain. The quickest ways to alleviate pain are pharmaceuticals that will mask the pain and possibly mask other symptoms - and make treatment more difficult. The intellectually compassionate approach to alleviate pain is to immediately go after the actual, underlying cause, and not just to mask the pain.
Sending healing vibes her way. :~)
Dennis

I would just love to see Maya healed and have restoration, and be a motivation for others, a 'story' that others could 'relate to'. It would explode my heart to hear of her healing, and etheric share this story, if it only further compelled others to get off the fence, wake up and start educating themselves (the docs are highly readable!) this would be a karmic gift to me. That we become educated adults, on this subject. I now understand Andrew Norton Webbers 'steadfastness' in talking about it....

but I caution - NOT to share this informatoin with a Dr UNLESS you have that material with the references to the other scientific study's circled and bookmarked, ready at hand, THEN I would like to see the look on their face, you will see how they handle their IGNORANCE. This is a direct threat to THEIR livelihood, their perks, free vacations, cash bonuses, also it makes them look more like charlatons, IT TAKES AWAY THEIR POWER.

In the Water of Life Thread #30, the show was a hatchet job, the 'good doctor' is spewing pure BS in a carefully contrived "concern" speech, (but again listen closely) the woman foolishly trusted her doctor and tipped her hand, which completely 'biased' the diagnosis, which itself was ambiguous, then focused on the kid's opinions as sources of authority! (why she never educated them I will never know) I messaged that woman in the video, and gathered that on top of her cancer, I believed she made reference to the fact she was a heavy drinker, and smoker previously (it shows) so he we have her with these habits and missing 16 lymph glands, the very glands she needs to eliminate toxic waste from her body, with a diagnosis of cancer and a prognosis of only 6 months to live, yet IS ALIVE 5 years+ later - NONE of this was addressed, it was stated that she must have drunk 900 gallons of urine during that time. Yet no reference or discussion on it! all completely downplayed, instead was 'suspense' around a 'mole' on her back and didn't even have the honesty to say on television it was benign, ie REFUSED to comment that she was IN FACT CURED! She was very pleased to talk to me, I got the impression she is very isolated on this issue... this episode would scare anyone away without the right information


Urine Good Health - The Science Of Drinking Your Own Pee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDyL...eature=related
Some of the doctors are playing skeptical and trying to make 'subtle' suggestions,
but if you listen carefully, they are hard pressed to 'deny' the benefits and you get to see
a cameo of Martha Christie, a survivor, and author of "Your Own Best Medicine"
exposes the big pharma commercial applications, and lots of tid bits, experience of
users, and case studies, etc...

Drink Your Pee (silly but informative cartoon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7CSER25ik
(as told by a slightly racial sounding bladder! very informative at 5 min)

Andrew Norton Webber w Lisa Harrison - Apr 25, 2012 * *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw
- inspiring interview...

[Dennis Leahy]

... mind you I'm big on distilled water, on the premise the mineral content is too small anyhow to be relevant for most populations, its not worth getting stuck with all the other 'unwanted' minerals.... and your time scale intrigues me, 6 months, wait til you read some of the case studies, kids cure VERY quickly compared to adults. ...
My take on distilled water (and I did drink it for a couple of years) is that it may be "too pure" and devoid of natural electrolytic properties of spring or well water. I think of the osmotic membrane of cell walls and the fact that it makes more sense that the human body was 'designed'/evolved for natural water, not distilled (which does not occur in nature.) I could be totally full of crap about distilled water - some of this is from research; some from intuition. I don't think it is a big issue, and would recommend that someone drink distilled water if they cannot get high-quality spring or well water.

The "6 months" I mentioned was a guess, nothing more. I know that many people have become trained to the timeframe of pharmaceuticals (noticeable effect in 20 minutes to maybe 3 days for antibiotics), and natural remedies often take quite a bit longer. I'd hate to see someone try a natural remedy and quit before the effects were noticed, simply because they don't realize that these (typically) more subtle and gentle curves towards health are usually so much different than the "hand-grenade approach" of pharmaceuticals.

Did anyone mention bodily acidity/alkalinity? A simple pH test strip and saliva might give a strong clue as to her present ability to heal herself. (I was shocked to have done this test yesterday and found my saliva so acidic: 5.0! I have work to do.)

Etheric underground, please keep us informed. Visualizing the very best outcome for her.

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

Would any one suggest jim humbles MMS???

I have heard many have had success, but I have also heard there is the potential for negative side effects, if the wrong dosage is taken, or the length of time taking it too long, etc. it is a very powerful agent for both good but definitely has a toxicity to it.... and I am always amazed at the 'mysterious' way it is never exactly identified as to what it is actually made of??? Essentially it is the same argument as garlic, it is potent in it ability to kill other harmful nasties, but that also makes it potentially harmful to healthy cells. I have heard it is itself almost a form of bleach, something I read in passing, I can't confirm it, until I find exactly where I had read that, but that was the gist based on someone's experience I read somewhere.

On the other hand the virus fighting, antimicrobial properties, and cellular rejuvenation of urine, is the exact opposite. It has been stated by many sources and authorities including one of the Navies, that it is completely NON toxic. It is filtered blood! a kind of serum, it has the brackish taste of seawater just as our blood has a similar concentration to the sea...

Understand the difference between fresh sterile urine and the stuff that has been decaying into a putrid ammonia that you smell in public washrooms. Like a real nutritional food it WILL decay very rapidly. Unless being used for particular therapeutic reasons, or external use it should be drunk within at least 20 minutes as a general rule...

Because of it biological properties it can even be injected into the bloodstream in some therapies and used as a blood substitute in 'emergencies', what does that tell you?...(it may be superior to virus infected blood these days... try that with MMS! (not)... It even REVERSES Kidney failure!

I]

You apparently are not well educated on the MMS topic. There is lots of info on it here on avelon but if you really want to know about it you would spend some time at www.jimhumble.biz (http://www.jimhumble.biz) Links to everything there is to know about mms can be found there including how it works.

It is clearly stated how MMS1 works as well as how MMS2 works.
Sodium chlorite has been used, although certainly not commonly by doctors for many years.

Jim Humble has taken direct IV solutions of with no ill effect under the supervison of a doctor while he was in Mexico.

I have personally taked with 2 people who were heading towards dialysis, in fact it was imperative for them, who reversed their kidney failure with MMS. It has proven superior in cases of MRSA and other infections also.

there are many testimonials now on MMS curing advanced cancer.

[Arrowwind]

I would have her tested for Lyme via the Western Blot or a Bowen test. You can google those for more info if you can get a dr to order the testing. Late stage Lyme has many of the same symptoms as such.

Yes, that is an absolute possibility. But those tests are highly unreliable. The best diagnosis is visualization of the spirochete and the cyst that it can form under dark field live blood analysis. It is the ONLY definative diagnosis, but you will be hard pressed to find a doc who knows about it. As I said in an earlier post she absolutely needs a live blood analysis and of course that would either rule in our out the lyme disease, or something else.
These tests can be found in some naturopathic docs offices or medical doctors who have jumped ship and only do alternative medicine.

Also in finding a doc who can do this, she wont get trapped into endless cycles of antibiotic therapy, which generally will make her worse, even if it should cure the lyme it presents so many other problems.

The best place I know for such treatment is
http://www.westcliniconline.com/
and they do amazing things with arthritis too.

[M6*]

Prayers for Maya....as you wish. M6*

[Marsila]

Hi EU, found this to, and it has a lot of good advise, and dietary suggestions to. A lot of suggestion to 'alkalize' the body and i can't think of a better fruit than Lemon to do that, also has a lot of the Vitamin C she may need.

The arthritis diet link
http://arthritisrelieved.com/arthritis-diet/

you may want to try DMSO which is the topical variety for pain relief, got two emails from different people today saying how much it helped. (thanks or the heads up alamojo)

http://www.discountremediesinc.com/pure-dmso-liquid-concentrate-8oz.html
or this
http://www.amazon.com/DMSO-Liquid-Concentrate-99-9-Pure/dp/B001L538IY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

There are good links on the blog itself (though others don't work or look like adverts), that didn't get pasted here.

http://holistic-practitioner.blogspot.co.at/2011/01/juvenile-rheumatoid-idiopathic.html




Juvenile Rheumatoid Idiopathic Arthritis - Natural Relief for Your Children!
Is a Sibling Suffering From Juvenile Rheumatoid Idiopathic Arthritis?



Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis


Juvenile Arthritis (JA) is an auto-immune disorder occurring in children aged sixteen and under. The children affected by JA experience pain, stiffness and swelling in one or more joints. The white blood cells in their body cannot differentiate between their body’s own healthy cells and act like harmful invaders instead of cell protectors.


Because the immune system is so active it releases chemicals in the process that may damage healthy tissues. This causes severe pain and inflammation. The person suffering from JA will more than likely not want to participate in any type of activity during attacks, although movement and hydration (water and exercise or activity can actually be a great help to those suffering from Juvenile Arthritis.)


Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis


Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis (Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis, Juvenile Rheumatoid or Juvenile Dermatomyositis) In the case of JA (like Rheumatoid Arthritis or RA) it's the joints that the most affected areas. It may target other areas in the body like the heart, the lungs and the eyes as well. It can be a painful, debilitating and even crippling disease.


It can affect certain joints very quickly and cause permanent damage if not treated quickly. Often the children affected by the disease will carry the disease in their adulthood as well.


The most common symptoms of JA are:


Swollen and enlarged joints
Neck, Hip or Knee stiffness
Sudden appearance and disappearance of rashes
High fevers that rise during evening and suddenly disappear again
Soreness in many joints


Diet for Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis

Limit Simple Sugars and refined foods as they lead to inflammation
Limit starchy vegetables like potatoes and carrots until you get complete relief
Eat as many green salads and vegetables as you can
Add almonds and walnuts to your diet
Eat pineapple, papaya and berries regularly
Take natural anti-inflammatories like turmeric, ginger, boswellia and cayenne
Add SuperFoods to your diet, particularly dark chocolate (high cacao %), wheat-grass.


A Holistic Treatment for Juvenile Arthritis


You need to reduce the acidity of your child's body and reset their body's immune system. If you can do these two things, you will able to get lasting relief from juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.


First you need to stop any infections from happening in your child's body as this may an underlying cause of autoimmune arthritis. Then you need to keep their whole body in a more alkaline state and reduce your dietary acid intake.



Then you need to rebuild and nourish their joints. Finally you might want to get some natural pain relief until they no longer have this condition. Follow the simple guidelines below and prevent Arthritis from attacking your children ever again:



Prevent and Treat Infections:

Zapper - Consider getting a Clark Zapper which kills pathogens electronically
Medicinal Mushrooms (will reset your immune system, so it will function normally and stop attacking your body and joints)
Zeolites - Get rid of the Infections and Heavy Metal Deposits



Reduce Acid and Alkalize Your Body

Arthritis Diet – eat some fruits and vegetables every day if you can.
Drink Purified Water – No Tap or Unpurfied Bottled Water (It has chlorine, calcium, pharmaceuticals, fluoride, etc). Look at getting a home Reverse Osmosis (RO) water filtration system if you can. Or at least get your water from a water store that uses RO.
Add an Alkalizing agent to your beverages
Ionic Minerals – Take orally once per day. (Will Alkalize your body and quench acidity)
Magnesium – Take a magnesium supplement and eat foods rich in magnesium (Raw Cacao, also known as Organic Dark Chocolate is a really good source).



ebuild and Cushion Your Joints Naturally

MSM - Take 5-10 grams of this natural sulfur supplement in divided doses each day.
Vitamin C - Combine this with MSM to triple the effects of each.
Camu Camu – Is a natural plant substance that is the highest in Vitamin C in the world.
Silica – Take Silica (Orgono Living Silica is by far the best) but you can also get it from herbs like horsetail or cat’s claw.
Hydrate Your Joints – Take Mega Hydrate which penetrates into your joint socket and lubricates it.



Arthritis Pain Relief

DMSO, Silicium G5 Gel or Orgono Living Silica Gel applied topically can help bring very rapid pain relief (DMSO is a highly absorbable form of MSM).
Arthritis Exercise – Do some walking or yoga stretching every day.
Zapper - Consider getting a Clark Zapper which increases circulation and reduces pain.


You can find all the above items listed reviewed separately under the the Arthritis Remedies menu.

[sigma6]

You apparently are not well educated on the MMS topic. There is lots of info on it here on avelon but if you really want to know about it you would spend some time at www.jimhumble.biz Links to everything there is to know about mms can be found there including how it works.
It is clearly stated how MMS1 works as well as how MMS2 works.
Sodium chlorite has been used, although certainly not commonly by doctors for many years.
Jim Humble has taken direct IV solutions of with no ill effect under the supervison of a doctor while he was in Mexico.
I have personally taked with 2 people who were heading towards dialysis, in fact it was imperative for them, who reversed their kidney failure with MMS. It has proven superior in cases of MRSA and other infections also.
there are many testimonials now on MMS curing advanced cancer.

You're right, but I didn't say it was ineffective, just that people in one of my chat groups had discussed their experiences. And I still thought it weird every time I watched a video they went on endlessly about how wonderful it was without ever saying what it actually was, without getting to the very end or or having to dig through articles, why should I have to dig through it, why wouldn't that be the center piece of the article!!! I just thought it odd, besides reminding me or a marketing technique. I looked into my "Health Skype Group" on MMS and pulled a few lines here...

[7/20/2012 1:59:02 PM] Marsha Levine: Rob Zurwell 7/19/12 8:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t2V7NOsnJM&feature=related HERE'S WHAT i AM EXCITED ABOUT right now, finally got the parts together and made a batch yesterday...a more pure form of MMS where by you capture the cl2 gas in water, and reduces the herxheimers reaction ( nausea , headache from detox) I'll try to check out the oil info, but I am currently of the opinion that hemp oil and virgin coconut oil are superior to animal sources...
(some reference to side effects, but then again this happens with MSM, and urine intitially too... )



[5/5/2012 3:33:47 PM] R2D2: Mercury rapidly depletes the immune system. Anything that depletes and disturbs the immune system will increase one’s chances of contracting cancer. “All cancer cells have mercury in them,” says Dr. Yoshiaki Omura.
[5/5/2012 3:50:03 PM | Edited 4:23:28 PM] R2D2: Magical Mineral Supplement (MMS) or Miracle Mineral Supplement

The truth is that MMS is a dangerous poison, and as such it has no business whatsoever in the alternative health arena.
Dr. Gabriela Segura

Many people do not know that MMS is essentially bleach. It’s very effective for killing bacteria in toilets, but you certainly shouldn’t be swallowing it.
Dr. Gabriela Segura

Most people I have given MMS to usually react very aggressively and have to stop taking it.
Dr. George Georgiou

MMS is the wrong approach to immunity—it is chemotherapy!
Jonathan Campbell

http://blog.imva.info/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2


[5/18/2012 2:34:56 PM] slofrank1: **************WARNING****************** DO NOT USE JIM HUMBLES MMS IF YOU HAVE A BAD LIVER> IT JUST ABOUT KILLED ME


So as I clearly stated in my comment (which you obviously picked up on) these were comments I 'overheard' in a chat room, they turned out to be easier to search then I thought... I can't vouch for any of these statements, but obviously they are real people speaking in real time and if I was interested in it, I would do further research... but since I am in no rush, it is my way for now to just listen to the 'chatter'...

It does seem to be effective, but so is garlic, and now it is recognized as having negative side effects that were hither to unrecognized. And it also appears to need 'careful attention' as per application, so it has to have some toxicity factor or you wouldn't be hearing people complaining... like all controversial remedies, it does have it's detractors, and I would like to see a wider body of published research as well for better context and understanding. But here's the difference... I have seen no reports of anyone who has ever done UT making ANY negative claims about it...

So for now, I am sticking with what I know has absolutely no cases of complications, herximer effects yes, but that is expected, and a positive sign. Although I think it is extreme in either case, which would you rather inject into your blood stream? a serum that was already derived from your own blood stream (which would be a form of dialysis in a way) or calcium hypochlorite? Both are more aggressive then I would consider, but I would probably go for my own dna. And just to be fair there were many people saying they had a good results and vigourously defending it... so that isn't the issue.

But to all this I say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" or "Why re-invent the wheel?" ie. Nature has given us something that is completely whole and addresses every issue in your body in a holistic approach. It's concentration is already pre-measured. And it's FREE. Some people in parts of the world don't have access to many resources to begin with, or in emergencies it might not be available... I consider my ongoing education in UT is like an investment and better then any piece of paper insurance policy I could buy.

On top of all that, why even take the risk? or take on the added expense?

[Alan]

Also for MMS you may want to try DMSO which is the topical variety of MMS for pain relief, got two emails from different people today saying how much it helped.

Note -- you are confusing MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) with MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane); DMSO and MSM are strongly related.

[sigma6]

My take on distilled water (and I did drink it for a couple of years) is that it may be "too pure" and devoid of natural electrolytic properties of spring or well water. I think of the osmotic membrane of cell walls and the fact that it makes more sense that the human body was 'designed'/evolved for natural water, not distilled (which does not occur in nature.) I could be totally full of crap about distilled water - some of this is from research; some from intuition. I don't think it is a big issue, and would recommend that someone drink distilled water if they cannot get high-quality spring or well water.
I don't think you're full of crap Leahy (lol) but distilled water is slightly acidic, but so is lemon juice, but both will increase alkalinity in the body, (so it's not that simple) and the distillation is what causes it to attract oppositely charged (waste) from the body... so there is a real 'process' at work here... to the natural issue, I would say that precipitation IS a form of distillation (Rain water has been anecdotally said to be a health remedy), but of course today pollution is ruining this precious resource. Also the collection of dew is a form of distilled water, and in some cultures they collect dew for all their water supply by building rock formations that the wind passes by and the cooler underparts collect it and then it falls to a cistern below, and some ancient cultures had very elaborate setups like this. Also, I did read an excerpt saying that distilled water could never remove a mineral that is part of an existing intact healthy cell. (but please don't make me search for it...lol (it might have been on Webber's site maybe...)

And lastly I agree there must be some place for mineralized water that comes natural, like from a mountain or spring, but it's like the fish in the ocean, I think it is all contaminated, it has been said since WWII there now exists over a quarter million chemicals (and who knows how many millions of tonnage being dumped, that NEVER existed before, released into the environment that our bodies have no genetic adaptation to... for example, have you ever wondered where all the rubber that wears off all the tires on all the roads in the world goes? (just a crazy thought) So I am thinking everyone (especially in cities) is ALWAYS in a state of toxic overload, we are all in need of constant 'artificial' or 'therapeutic' means of compensating for this, welcome to 'modern society'. And I didn't mean to jump on the 6 months, I knew you meant it generically, I was just trying to create awareness and emphasize how urine is very immediate in its effects. I do appreciate your positive contributions and balanced views. I like that we are creating common ground to stand on... '; -) and btw, you look pretty darned healthy to me... (lol)

In one case of Armstrong's, a boy suffering kidney failure was having little or no urine, and suffering from other really horrible conditions. So Armstrong gave him a pint of his own to get the boy started, then what urine he managed was really strong and foul, but he was still instructed to drink all of it... consistent with this principle of bio feedback... but it just shows even in the most extreme case, where this boy was at death's door, he was showing signs of normalcy within days, which shows that this strict interpretation is universal, no exceptions... so it truly is the best of both worlds, it is both safe and effective (mind you, I don't ever wish to be in that position...I'm building my immunity and starting the rejuvenation process now...

cheers (lol)

[ThePythonicCow]

I would say that precipitation IS a form of distillation
Precipitated water (aka rain) was distilled (evaporated) earlier in its life cycle, yes.

But rain water is no longer distilled water, in the sense that it no longer has no mineral content. It has collected mineral content along the way to one's water bucket.

One's body keeps the water in it at certain mineral concentrations, as best it can, to sustain life and various biochemical and electrical processes. If one drinks water with too much minerals, the body must dilute that water (which is why drinking sea water is worse than nothing if lost at sea.) If one drinks water with too few minerals (such as distilled water), the body must add minerals from its reserves, as best it can.

The healthiest water for long term use will provide a good, but not excessive, level of minerals and other such electrolytes (which are what account for such water appearing slightly "basic" on the pH scale.)

[sigma6]

I would say that precipitation IS a form of distillation
Precipitated water (aka rain) was distilled (evaporated) earlier in its life cycle, yes.
But rain water is no longer distilled water, in the sense that it no longer has no mineral content. It has collected mineral content along the way to one's water bucket.
One's body keeps the water in it at certain mineral concentrations, as best it can, to sustain life and various biochemical and electrical processes. If one drinks water with too much minerals, the body must dilute that water (which is why drinking sea water is worse than nothing if lost at sea.) If one drinks water with too few minerals (such as distilled water), the body must add minerals from its reserves, as best it can.
The healthiest water for long term use will provide a good, but not excessive, level of minerals and other such electrolytes (which are what account for such water appearing slightly "basic" on the pH scale.)

Aww, you had to make me go look it up! aw well, keeps me on my toes I guess!
I would beg to differ, and here is why...

Excerpt of 24 quotes from Doctors on the positive benefits of distilled water, this is a real eye opener... distilled water has the highest electrical potential to attract waste, I just don't think it is possilble to remove too much 'waste' from the body, quite the contrary...

http://www.aquariusthewaterbearer.com/the-truth.html

*** DOCTOR #14 ***
Here is what Dr. Norman W. Walker says...

"People who say that Distilled Water leaches minerals out of the body are, therefore, correct only in this respect. This is only 50% of the truth. It is virtually impossible for Distilled Water to separate minerals, which have become an integral part of the cells and tissues of the body. Distilled water collects ONLY the minerals which remain in the body, minerals discarded from natural water AND from the cells, the minerals which the natural water originally collected from its contact with the earth and the rocks. Such minerals, having been rejected by the cells of the body are of no constructive value. On the contrary, they are debris which distilled water is capable of picking up and eliminating from the system.

---Dr. Norman W. Walker, from "Water Can Undermine Your Health"

[sigma6]

Also for MMS you may want to try DMSO which is the topical variety of MMS for pain relief, got two emails from different people today saying how much it helped.

Note -- you are confusing MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) with MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane); DMSO and MSM are strongly related.

correction your right, MMS is the stuff that Mr. Humble is promoting, and MSM is something I personally take myself on occasion, (although I should take it more regularly) as it is a totally harmless, naturally occurring (and therefore non-patent-able) source of a high assimilation sulfurous compound that regenerates all body tissue, making it more elastic and capable of eliminating waste. I know someone who is 74 who has been taking for years and she looks like she is in her late 50's. But I can't see enough context of her statement to see what she was referencing exactly...

[ThePythonicCow]

"People who say that Distilled Water leaches minerals out of the body are, therefore, correct only in this respect. This is only 50% of the truth. It is virtually impossible for Distilled Water to separate minerals, which have become an integral part of the cells and tissues of the body.
Well, he's right only sort of ... :).

The body does not allow distilled water to remain such (free of electrolytes) in the body. That distilled water doesn't leach much out directly (though it could do some leaching, if it were allowed to roam around the body much), but the body will actively use its own various processes to pull essential minerals, such as sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium, out of its stores (such as the bones) in order to maintain necessary concentrations.

Cells die pretty quickly in distilled water, as they depend on having more potassium inside the cell and more sodium outside the cell, for one example. See further the sodium potassium pump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%2B/K%2B-ATPase).

For another example, blood pH is closely regulated to about 7.4 (slightly basic, meaning a slight preponderance of electron donors). See further Regulation of Blood pH (http://www.h2g2.com/approved_entry/A8819652).

[sigma6]

"People who say that Distilled Water leaches minerals out of the body are, therefore, correct only in this respect. This is only 50% of the truth. It is virtually impossible for Distilled Water to separate minerals, which have become an integral part of the cells and tissues of the body.
Well, he's right only sort of ...

The body does not allow distilled water to remain such (free of electrolytes) in the body. That distilled water doesn't leach much out directly (though it could do some leaching, if it were allowed to roam around the body much), but the body will actively use its own various processes to pull essential minerals, such as sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium, out of its stores (such as the bones) in order to maintain necessary concentrations.

Cells die pretty quickly in distilled water, as they depend on having more potassium inside the cell and more sodium outside the cell, for one example. See further the sodium potassium pump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%2B/K%2B-ATPase).

For another example, blood pH is closely regulated to about 7.4 (slightly basic, meaning a slight preponderance of electron donors). See further Regulation of Blood pH (http://www.h2g2.com/approved_entry/A8819652).

Again I think your premise is based on the idea of a perfectly healthy person (that doesn't exist),


The body does not allow distilled water to remain such (free of electrolytes) in the body.
This is precisely why it works, as soon as it enters the body it naturally draws waste, heavy metals, inorganic minerals, etc, anything 'foreign' to the body having an opposing charge...

Also isolated chemistry experiments done in a petri dish, do not necessarily encompass complex functions within the context of the human body. For example how acidic foods like lemon juice contribute to alkalinity in the body. So even if it was applicable, the possibility of this is remote to non-existant. It reminds me of the same argument I hear some women in the gym express, they are 'afraid' that too much weight training would make their muscles too big, aside from a few muscle junky freaks it's just not going to happen when looking at the big picture... I would suggest checking out the 23 comments Webber picked up it's a decent source of medical commentary to justify the benefits of distilled water, and at the very least therapeutically.

http://www.aquariusthewaterbearer.com/the-truth.html

In reality everyone is toxic. One example Webber gives is a guy who was smoking for 20 years, started drinking distilled water for two years straight, no side effects other then his doctor being astonished and saying he had perfectly healthy lungs, many examples of people who have drunk distilled for years with no ill side effects. But this is a technical side issue really. I don't want to side track this thread, like I have noticed on some other threads, the issue here is what are the pros and cons of healthy recommendations for little Maya (rhymes with Gaia!)

I hope we all keep our hearts and minds on her well being... let's let her know how much there are others here who want her to be healthy happy and strong!;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Again I think your premise is based on the idea of a perfectly healthy person (that doesn't exist), also isolated chemistry experiments done in a petri dish, do not necessarily encompass complex functions within the context of the human body.

...
In reality everyone is toxic. One example Webber gives is a guy who was smoking for 20 years, started drinking distilled water for two years straight, no side effects other then his doctor being astonished and saying he had perfectly healthy lungs, many examples of people who have drunk distilled for years with no ill side effects.

...

Ah ... you're apparently thinking I am claiming that distilled water is necessarily unhealthy, or worse than most ordinary waters.

No ... distilled water is fine, if you provide the needed minerals some other way, and yes, most ordinary waters are polluted six ways from Sunday, and yes, distilled water is better than polluted water unless one is quite deficient in some key mineral.

I personally recommend stripping one's drinking water down to its basics - pure water - by means of various filters including distillation, and then rebuilding it with a quality variety of good minerals and other such electrolytes.

[sigma6]

Again I think your premise is based on the idea of a perfectly healthy person (that doesn't exist), also isolated chemistry experiments done in a petri dish, do not necessarily encompass complex functions within the context of the human body.

...
In reality everyone is toxic. One example Webber gives is a guy who was smoking for 20 years, started drinking distilled water for two years straight, no side effects other then his doctor being astonished and saying he had perfectly healthy lungs, many examples of people who have drunk distilled for years with no ill side effects.

...

Ah ... you're apparently thinking I am claiming that distilled water is necessarily unhealthy, or worse than most ordinary waters.

No ... distilled water is fine, if you provide the needed minerals some other way, and yes, most ordinary waters are polluted six ways from Sunday, and yes, distilled water is better than polluted water unless one is quite deficient in some key mineral.

I personally recommend stripping one's drinking water down to its basics - pure water - by means of various filters including distillation, and then rebuilding it with a quality variety of good minerals and other such electrolytes.

I'm saying it doesn't have any negative side effects whatsoever, as per the 24+ medical quotes, and in fact proactively supports increased health. Not sure how that is tied to what people do for their diets, but was speaking all things being equal... (two separate factors) Constant regular use of distilled water is just another avenue of waste removal, that supports and supplements all bodily systems, I am pretty sure the body knows how to maintain it's own cellular integrity and could easily make use of distilled water and easily modify it for any purpose it needed.

And I would agree or consider machines that affect structure and increase ionization, as that is enhancing what distillation is doing naturally.

[sigma6]

http://www.aquariusthewaterbearer.com/the-truth/24-doctors-tell-the-truth.html

Just checking on Etheric... I wonder how your little niece Maya is doin' ?

[conk]

Arthritis has been remedied by use of boric acid. Plain old 20 Mule Team Borax. Tsp in a quart of water. Drink a shot glass or so daily. Many have seen wonderful results.

[tuku]

hi there'
if you find a new photograph of your neice on her own ,i can scan all her systems,phisical/energetic,check her time line and see if we can find out the point of imbalance or trauma.
then to see what her body needs or needs to eliminate,somthing may need to be cleared past life , in genetic line or on other level.
if the body is challenged energetically it manifests physically always best to check this first ,just changing diet may not work x

[onawah]

Ive posted info on the benefits of fresh, raw aloe vera gel on many different threads on PA.
I don't recommend the bottled aloe products, but the fresh is extremely good for inflammation and any kind of immune disorder.
Here are a couple of links to my posts:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34628-Richard-Anderson-s-ARISE-AND-SHINE-detox-cleanse&p=370452&highlight=onawah%2C+aloe+vera#post370452
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=501591&highlight=onawah%2C+aloe+vera#post501591
There are some links in one of the posts for great articles on the benefits of aloe, which I highly recommend.

Also, there is a wealth of wonderful info about nutrition on Dawn's thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-

[CeltMan]

hi there'
if you find a new photograph of your neice on her own ,i can scan all her systems,phisical/energetic,check her time line and see if we can find out the point of imbalance or trauma.
then to see what her body needs or needs to eliminate,somthing may need to be cleared past life , in genetic line or on other level.
if the body is challenged energetically it manifests physically always best to check this first ,just changing diet may not work x

Tuku

Sounds like you have some impressive gifts there my friend.

FYI, there is a gathering of such gifted folk as yourself here: http://ethericliberation.com/Home.html

People are invited to submit their 'resume', and those deemed suitable will be included on the specialist website- which is dedicated to 'powerful healing'.

At this particular timeframe in our exitsence (IMHO)- we need to co-ordinate ALL efforts to combat & totally & permanently eliminate ALL negative influences.........Body, Mind, & Spirit

p.s. Although I have never actually charged for my own healing services, I do appreciate that peeps need to live in this 'real world', and that some need/see the necessity to charge for their services.

I have no probs with this personally.

[tuku]

Hi there,
Beautiful thank you,
I’ll help, anywhere I can be of service always,
Yes I am the same as you I do lots of voluntary work, I am dedicated to creating beautiful world for all !
Not so good for paying the bills ah?,
But I love my magical life and I love my work ,
I see so much beautiful changes in people and amazing healings, like miracles what else is worth doing?
I will look into that link and be in touch ,
Thanks again!
It’s great to speak to such conscious people
Love Tuku x

[CeltMan]

Hi there,
Beautiful thank you,
I’ll help, anywhere I can be of service always,
Yes I am the same as you I do lots of voluntary work, I am dedicated to creating beautiful world for all !
Not so good for paying the bills ah?,
But I love my magical life and I love my work ,
I see so much beautiful changes in people and amazing healings, like miracles what else is worth doing?
I will look into that link and be in touch ,
Thanks again!
It’s great to speak to such conscious people
Love Tuku x

Hi Tuku

I've P.M'd you, look out for the message, when you are signed in, at top of page under 'notifications'

I know waht you mean about the 'techie stuff',- it drives me crazy at times!

Re 'paying the bills', as a friend said recently: "I guess we will be well rewarded when the E.T's eventually arrive!"...lol

[tuku]

I think we have arrived!!!! ,i was on a thread about psychic attack bill put up ,but i have lost where i was can you help x

[CeltMan]

I think we have arrived!!!! ,i was on a thread about psychic attack bill put up ,but i have lost where i was can you help x

Hi tuku

I think you meant "how do i find that thread about psychic attacks again?"

here is the link to it: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55019-Please-report-psychic-attacks-here

Tip: When you are on a thread, & wish to access it quickly in future, click on the 'Bookmark' button, top left.

Then when you are signed in, in future, go to your profile & click on 'bookmarked threads' & you will see that thread(s) you wish to follow.

Hope that helps.....

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i have a similar condition , well i had a similar one but i cured it mostly with som simple things.

no red meats
all vege diet , including 50 % raw foods . fresh red cherries are a must , 200 grams a day.
something that will relieve her very quickly is Burdock Root , you can get this on line or at health food store. burdock root capsuels , take 3 with every meal 3 tims a day , thats 9 caps a day. this will reduce the inflamation witin days, continue the treatment for one month. the burdock root will not react with anything else so its completely safe.

let me know how she goes : 0 )

Naniu

[HaveBlue]

Don't forget that all the posts made here, well meaning though they may be are for a 9 year old child. You are the uncle right? The parent(s) guardian(s) will be held accountable for any advice they take.

Tis such a fine line between helping and interferring. I know my own father who is a doctor would never give a consultation over the phone/internet. Only in person.

Alot of 'advice' has been given here. Research any of it that interests you. Don't just swallow it blindly without further investigation.

The weight of responsibility I feel for the decisions involving my own children is immense.
The Hypocratic oath is 'Do no harm'.

I feel it necessary to make this post for balance. I feel some posts here have been made with a desire to impress you with their great knowledge rather than from a genuine concern.

I note nobody has asked for any further information or asked any questions! That is what a real doctor does.

[markpierre]

A little prayer might be good for this one. I'll work on that. You work on that too.

That'd be good for all of us.