Horus-Ra - gathering solution ideas thread

[Chester]

Hi Avalonians

Who am I to consider such an idea? Just one of us. Maybe some will participate with me in this exercise or maybe I might find myself alone. I hope to get some input.

My goal will be to produce a new thread targeted to be created by my own OP on September 19, 2012.

This particular pre-solution proposal thread is meant only as a collection point for members to post ideas as to how we could, as a collective of loving, intelligent and dominant life on earth at this time - the human being, achieve the day where there is no more scheduled, intentional ritual sacrifice occurring on our planet.

I am limiting this goal (for now) only to the direct practice itself and not the closely related activities such as war.

I am sure many perceive this as a ridiculous idealistic venture with no hope of ever seeing the light of day, but I have an example and direct experience with another activity which has taken place on earth amongst humanity for as far back as anyone can prove or remember and that is the practice of alcoholism/drug addiction which has been introduced to a program that has achieved resolution for millions. We are all aware of these millions of cases where individuals have recovered from this (what I call an) illness and remained free of the compulsion to drink/do drugs until the day they left their physical bodies. The most famous program is known as Alcoholics Anonymous and the closely related Narcotics Anonymous.

Perhaps I am a majority (or minority if you like) of one, but it is my firmest belief that this practice, known by many names but most popularly known as "ritual animal/human sacrifice," consciously practiced at the individual level and small group levels... practiced as I mentioned above, scheduled and fully intended, is perhaps the single foundational cause of all the rest of the woes we experience on our planet at this time. I am not saying there is not a cause behind the practice. But I see this practice as the pivot point activity from which all the rest of the physical world's suffering stems.

I feel zero concerns for the safety for my loved ones, those of us who participate in this exploration nor myself if we follow some guidelines I am about to suggest.

That we create a basic format or program which is anything but rigid. As an aside, the word "program"... please, do not allow yourself to get triggered by the word program until you consider the following clarifications. Perhaps we end up with a better word to describe what we can come up with - again, this is simply pre-exploration of ideas.

The program would be a simple set of suggestions and guidelines that could lead anyone who sincerely desires to stop their participation in this practice to achieve their goal.

This program would always be flexible (amendable) towards improvement of its approach to solution - it would self learn emphasizing what works best and culling out what does not work so well.

That the ultimate pathway to solution should always be voluntary for those who enter into the program.

That we realize it may take several years, perhaps generations before we see the day where this practice no longer occurs on Earth (if we ever see that day).

Anyways, I have reached the point in my life where I want to give something for all the taking I had done the last 55 years - this is one of my motivations. And I believe the conceptual creation of such a program could be created and documented.

It is my belief that there are members of this forum who could make significant contributions to the creation of a draft program.

Since this is going to start out as "my baby" so to speak, I am going to start out by being my own appointed coordinator as someone has to take that role. If my idea here moves to a next stage, I hope to be nothing more than a contributor of ideas and just one of many providers if this idea ever became a reality.

I am also well aware (being one who has dealt with some very nasty other dimensional entities (be they Archons or entities behind Archons or entities that have goals that go against the desire to co-exist with all within nature in a peaceful manner) that I may open myself to non-physical malevolent intervention efforts, but I am ok to take that risk from the point of view that none of my participation creates some sort of monster - always a concern for any potential "founder" of anything that ever becomes popular. I can handle this.

It may end up that what I will initially present in my Opening Post of September 19th goes nowhere, that no one else comes on board, that I may write up a suggested approach to solution which no one agrees with and which never sees the light of day of implementation.

At least I will have my peace and I would be dishonest if I did not state that is a personal goal as well as a goal that extends beyond my personal world. My inspiration is my three sons and step-daughter. two of my sons are significantly Archontically influenced. I have been and likely to some extent may still be.

Let's see if we can come up with a comprehensive, viable and veritable proposed solution.

justoneman

[Chester]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned (in part from reading that same thread) actually generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

[Hervé]

Well, there goes your first barrier/hurdle which 9eagle9 aptly summarized as: People want what they don't want... which can be translated into "Nothing wrong with me! It's you that..."

... and it all falls under the field of addiction. Whether it's substance, power or any other emotional energies; there is the addict and there is the enabler. Many "victims" coming out of co-dependent relationships are already on the hunt for their next abusers/perpetrators who, of course, are more than happy to oblige.

Bottom line is that one starts from where one is at and the first step is to quit any substance abuse whether street or prescriptions with the help of a balance diet and any suplements needed to soften the weaning and withdarawal symptoms as well as minmizing the influence of "biological parasites" and along with a detox program to rid the body of accumulated drug residues as in "un esprit sain dans un corps sain." That's the foundation that will enable the success of whatever procedures/methods is used to rid one of these "other addictions."

Good go anyway!

[Chester]

I got an e-mail from our friend, NancyV and she gave me permission to post it - here is what she said (small edits for some personal stuff)

... "I guess I have also opened up to some different perspectives. I sure never thought about Archons before the Horus-Ra thread was started. I did think that certain people were possessed or under the control of some kind of entity, negative, or positive, (usually negative) but I didn't try to define the TYPE of entity or name it. I suppose here on earth it can be helpful to know more details since it might help cope with the entities more effectively. It's great to know that it's been researched so thoroughly and some very interesting theories arrived at.

I feel like I'm pretty comfortable and clear in my understanding of life, death and all the dimensions, etc., but I try to remember that there WILL be days where I feel anxious, depressed, impatient, disgusted, bored, etc. I think it's important to remember that we will have off days and accept that it's normal for us humans. If I really think about my life I have nothing to be unhappy about, so I always accept that there is probably some kind of off energy going on that I'm picking up on. Being in a human body isn't always easy even if we do understand that it's all a game and we're eternal, all powerful beings of love.

I accept my human feelings and I'm not too hard on myself if I do have them. I just let them pass and they go away pretty quickly. As far as your "solutions" thread, I'm not sure there are ANY solutions that we can do as a group. I am not a big believer in group efforts and prefer to do things on my own. Dealing with other people's energies in groups takes so much effort at times that it can diffuse your focus too much. I figure the more focused I am the better I deal with ANYTHING that happens or will happen. But I do like to listen to others ideas and consider any thoughts for solutions.

I doubt that there are any solutions to this reality that will change it greatly, other than the normal changes in societies...wars, etc. I don't think the negativity will ever stop. I think the negative and positive maintain somewhat of a balance. After all, we're in duality. If we want more positive more often we either have to change our own perceptions or go to a higher vibrational dimension. But they still play control games THERE and the negativity still exists as long as we're separate from Source. This is the CREATION...it's all one big matrix. It's not supposed to be any ONE way. The possibilities are unlimited and we can't really successfully get many others, or even ANY others to do what we want them to do or be the way we want them to be. So I do best if I give up on wanting anything to change others to what I think would be more ideal. Of course I work towards changes in my own life but that's about it.

Why waste time wanting something that is unobtainable."

Perhaps I just have to accept that what is is what is and just work on myself. If enough of us do that, perhaps we may reach that 100th monkey before "they" lock it all down for eternity... though I bet on "us" - all of us.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well first step is if you actually performed human sacrifice and made it to the program, is to wake up and understand you are in a prison, solitary confinement while we decide what to do with you...

now separating that from the animal sacrifice, unless it was a family pet, you have hope...

first is understanding animals have been feeding humans since we got here...

eating them live is frowned upon...

so man has performed killings, at the start wild animals, people were hunters...

then farming began and along with, was the start of Spirituality. Many turned to Vegans not wanting to kill animals, so the Priests who were meet eaters came up with a revelation from God that animals must be sacrificed...

no one argued, and man continued eating meat...

some who for generations were from farming families are used to killing their livestock for food...

when that cycle stopped that was in the bloodline the lust continued and many joined weird cults to be close to the kill...

now if you really want to cure someone, send them to a slaughter house to work for a day...

when it is over, call me, I'll give the next step... ;)

[Sidney]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned in part from reading that same thread generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

I didn't see your thread here until just now. And I have been kind of busy this week with school starting, I am sure other parents on the board here are as well. Not all results in life are instantaneous my friend. Could you explain in laymans terms exactly what you would like to achieve, I would be happy to help if at all possible.:cool:

[Chester]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned in part from reading that same thread generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

I didn't see your thread here until just now. And I have been kind of busy this week with school starting, I am sure other parents on the board here are as well. Not all results in life are instantaneous my friend. Could you explain in laymans terms exactly what you would like to achieve, I would be happy to help if at all possible.:cool:

All I hope to achieve is simply to put forth an idea as to a potential approach we. humanity, could implement that could result (eventually) in our experience of a planet upon and within which no human being performs the conscious act of ritual animal and/or human sacrifice. To define this a bit further - the act which a human being kills another animal or human life form for the sole purpose to offer that life form's "essences" to other beings (real or perceived) and/or to themselves if they perceive themselves to be or to have allowed co-habitation within them of what we refer to by many names, but what I will call for purposes of simplification, a demonic entity.

Now let me clarify. Some purists may consider the killing of any animal as wrong, regardless of whether or not that living being was killed for the sole purpose of eating that being's "meat" for the purpose of maintaining the "killer's" own physical life. Even if the act is done in the most "spiritual way" such as the creation of food considered "kosher," or as some of my Native American friends have described to me - that when they hunt and make a kill, they give thanks to Great Spirit and the individual life form's spirit for offering up their physical body - of course these kills are meant to be eaten.

This is a whole separate debate as to right or wrong and one that I believe would be more difficult to overcome division amongst humanity.

We have to start somewhere. This is where I perceive to be the logical starting point. In fact, I have zero agenda beyond this specific goal. If this goal is able to be accomplished, then at that point perhaps humanity as a collective might desire to explore how we might no longer kill any animal for the purposes of eating under the impression by so doing, a human being is able to maintain life for it's own physical body. I believe we must take things one step at a time so I hope we leave this specific component out for now. Surely and realistically, the goal I stated above would likely take far beyond most of our own lifetimes anyways so why make the all but impossible even more impossible. Nevertheless, I hope we explore this one possibility.

What I am hoping to explore in this specific thread is various ideas as to how we, humanity, can experience this practice no more on or within Earth.

Since I have never consciously performed this act in my current lifetime I am amongst a group of human beings who cannot actually know what it is like to be someone who has. I assume from that perspective I am in a percentage amongst all humanity that is probably well above 95% (my sense is the number may be above 99%).

There are actually two groups within the target group.

Those who have willingly and consciously participated in these types of rituals and those who have been brought in unwillingly to observe and/or participate in these types of rituals.

Thus the full target group is those who have willingly or not consciously observed and/or participated with other human beings in the practice of ritual animal/human sacrifice in which the performers of the acts are doing so under the intention of offering the victim's "essences" to demons (gods, aliens, whatever you want to call them).

I know you asked for simplicity - "layman's terms" but this cannot be reduced to terms which could allow for debate as to who would be within which group.

So let's look at the two primary groups - those who have never participated in any fashion in this practice and those who have.

Amongst those who have not (again I am restricting this to our current lifetime only), I am one of these. For purposes of discussion, let's assume I am amongst the group that is likely more than 95% of humanity.

For purposes of discussion I must give a label to this group and so for now I will chose "non-participants" which implies the target group to be "participants."

The non-participants group has sub groups and these sub groups must be considered. So in looking at the group of non-participants we have those who are open minded that this practice actually occurs on or within Earth at this time and those who are not. Clearly we will get no help from the non-open minded non-participants.

I assume that within the non-participant group we have at least 95% who are not open minded and perhaps that percentage might be as high as 99% or more. Again I have started with humanity born on earth as an whole.

Assuming simply for this discussion that participants are 5% of born on Earth humanity and that amongst the non-participants we have 95% who are not even open minded about the existence of this practice (and are not worth spending energy upon in trying to sway them to open their mind) we now have two roughly equal groups - a.) non-participating, open mindeds and b.) participants.

Now we get deeper by looking at how many amongst the non-participating open minded ones are not just open minded, but convinced this practice occurs all the time on or within our planet. It would be amongst this group we would need to coalesce such that perhaps an action plan could be agreed upon and implemented. Let's call these the convinced. A far smaller percentage once again.

So now amongst the convinced non-participants we need to discover who amongst this group would be willing to explore a possible solution. And then finally amongst the group of willing, convinced non-participants we would need to isolate who might be willing to participate in an action plan which would have a realistic chance at turning the tide towards one day seeing a planet free from this practice.

Of course I am no idiot in that I do not see this as all but ridiculously idealistic. But at the same time when I look at the problem, I consider who/what I am and thus have to believe that we all are who/what I believe I am and then I consider that other problems humanity has faced has seen a turn of the tide, I cannot be comfortable with myself in that I leave this world to living souls I intentionally brought into this world, my three sons. That is my personal, direct motivation. Along side of that is my step-daughter and wife who I leave this world to, the only difference being that I did not intentionally bring them into this world (essentially NO difference). And via that logic, I extend my intention as a hope to all humanity.

One of the programs I have seen achieve success with a specific scourge is Alcoholics Anonymous. Do not think that I suggest we develop a program targeting this practice based on the 12 step program of AA. I am only pointing out a program that has done what nothing before it was able to achieve. And what I know of that program is that it started with just a few people and grew to a program that has assisted millions of alcoholics.

Why I mentioned AA is because there are only a handful of people who could be said started that program. Two primary participants, a small group of next level participants and all of their immediate families that in my opinion must be considered. Thus two human beings, Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith founded this program by bringing forth their experience from a previous group experience (a group known as the Oxford Group) and creating the program that has achieved world wide success.

Most of the ideas I have which could develop into an actual proposed, proactive approach is inspired by AA but I want to make something very clear right now. What people may know of AA today in that there is a heavy emphasis upon the spiritual component, I could never see putting forth a solution which had any requirements along spiritual lines as that would exclude atheists from being able to participate. Some might react and suggest that this problem can only be resolved via a spiritual approach. My response is that if or not that is true should be decided upon individually. To insist this would be to automatically cut off what may be a key sub group within both the non-participants as well as participants.

As we can see, each time I (the self appointed project manager here) brings forth a point, I further divide.

This alone is a key point - we cannot escape that not everyone will agree with what may result as an action plan. In the end, and when I post my OP on September 19th, it will be my proposed plan and I am fully willing to accept that no one agrees with my proposal much less participates in any way towards a next step.

But I am completely serious about this. I will not leave this physical body until I have put forth this effort to my own personal satisfaction or I die first.

I don't screw around when I get serious about a project.

justoneman

[Chester]

Now for some thoughts regarding as to what exactly are we dealing with?

It is my strongest view that we are dealing with first and foremost a group of spirit beings who have, for some reason or another, bought into, accepted, found themselves in a collective state many refer to as "separated from the Creator."

There are two components which must be examined in the above statement - the first is "Creator" and the second is "separated." We have already defined "we" to be the collective of humanity born on Earth in the physical body within which we have incarnated at this time.

I capitalize Creator simply out of respect. We could easily use the popular term, Source. We could also use the term "our true, inherent (spiritual) nature" which does not imply an originator of our being which brings up the next point I would like to make and that is this -

I see you and you see me. Why argue as to why I see you and you see me? The minute we descend into that discussion, no matter how much we find we agree upon, we will eventually find something about this exploration upon which we disagree. So I suggest for the sake of eliminating any potential division as to why I see you and why you see me by simply accepting the fact.

Now what is clearly true with regards to me seeing you and you seeing me? We appear to each other as separate beings. If I can perceive how I am separate from you, then I propose to myself that I can also perceive myself separate from the component I mentioned above which I will now call by the least controversial term I can (at this time) come up with - and that is "Source" emphasizing my respect as mentioned above by capitalizing the term.

So now to focus on you and me. Can I consider a term for you that applies to me as well which we likely could both agree is a correct term for each other? We already have "human being" but we know there are other beings which are not human which we can see from a wider perspective are deserving of equal respect (at least in my view). A simple example that satisfies me as true is when I consider the last dog family member who was a lovely chow/eskimo mix named Angel that was with my family for almost 17 years and passed on on July 19, 2010. Yet, love her as I do, she would not have been a direct participant in this program and so clearly we can accept the "human" part of our being here without unduly opening ourselves by suggesting we must include (at this time) non-human beings within our group as well as avoiding raising ourselves (arrogantly) as the top of the chain of beings existing in physical form within our vast universe.

So now I will test some waters further, especially those of Amzer Zo. The following is only a test and meant to provoke comments.

It is my view that a human being is essentially a spirit being which has taken on many bodies including but not limited to the mental body, the emotional body and the physical body and that the human being that does not live forever within a single physical body possesses a component called the soul and that the soul is our residual memory we carry beyond the life of our current physical body and which appears to be of interest to other beings within our individual experience. It is my view that me, as a spirit being is involved in a journey that has no end, but that is just my hope and desire.

Now having stated the above and from that above stated perspective, it is my view that we, humanity born on Earth and alive at this time are suffering collectively from each of us having been subjected to acquiring (and I must use some word for now, Amzer Zo... so please suggest to me a better single word if you can come up with it) an illness that permeates one or more of the following, our spirit (body), our mental body, our emotional body and our physical body to some degree. It is my view we all have this in common on Earth at this time.

It is my view that we live within an array of dynamics where each can be seen as their own, individual dynamic. One of these is our physical body which is subject to the genetically influenced inheritance from our parents. Thus part of the problem of illness involves our genetic inheritance. I must emphasize only part of our collective problem can be a result of our genetic inheritance.

So I have introduced two views which could create great division in agreement already - one being that we are all, to some extent, ill and that to some extent, we acquire this illness through our genetic inheritance.

OK, enough exploration for one day, I hope I have not already blown up this project, but again, I have appointed myself as the project manager and such risks are inherent in moving a project along.

justoneman

[Chester]

well first step is if you actually performed human sacrifice and made it to the program, is to wake up and understand you are in a prison, solitary confinement while we decide what to do with you...

now separating that from the animal sacrifice, unless it was a family pet, you have hope...

first is understanding animals have been feeding humans since we got here...

eating them live is frowned upon...

so man has performed killings, at the start wild animals, people were hunters...

then farming began and along with, was the start of Spirituality. Many turned to Vegans not wanting to kill animals, so the Priests who were meet eaters came up with a revelation from God that animals must be sacrificed...

no one argued, and man continued eating meat...

some who for generations were from farming families are used to killing their livestock for food...

when that cycle stopped that was in the bloodline the lust continued and many joined weird cults to be close to the kill...

now if you really want to cure someone, send them to a slaughter house to work for a day...

when it is over, call me, I'll give the next step... ;)

Hi Rocky - as project manager, I would not include within the program your suggestion - my goal would be to come up with a program that first and foremost accepted that the particular problem is a problem for the collective of humanity. Your suggestion automatically places the Us/Them on top of everything else and does so in a fashion that (in my view) creates the very energy which a component of the greater problem feeds upon. To approach the problem from your point of view eliminates any solution from ever coming forth.

Regardless, I appreciate that you chose to participate and offer your suggestion. justone

[Jeffrey]

The demystification starts here: http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark-force-true-nature.htm

http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/3hundred.jpg

[Chester]

That an idea gathering thread regarding the issues brought forth in the Horus-Ra thread is of little interest surprises me.

Perhaps all is well as it is?

Wish Them Well - by Rush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRh1I6tJa24

All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well

Spirits turned bitter by the poison of envy
Always angry and dissatisfied
Even the lost ones, the frightened and mean ones
Even the ones with a devil inside

Thank your stars you're not that way
Turn your back and walk away
Don't even pause and ask them why
Turn around and say goodbye

All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well

People who judge without a measure of mercy
All the victims who will never learn
Even the lost ones, you can only give up on
Even the ones who make you burn

Thank your stars you're not that way
Turn your back and walk away

Don't even pause and ask them why
Turn around and say goodbye

The ones who've done you wrong
The ones who pretended to be so strong
The grudges you've held for so long
It's not worth singing that same sad song

Thank your stars you're not that way
Turn your back and walk away
Don't even pause and ask them why
Turn around and say goodbye

All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well
All that you can do is wish them well

Even though you're going through hell
Just keep on going
Let the demons dwell

Just wish them well

[Hervé]

The demystification starts here: http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark-force-true-nature.htm



Thanks for that link Vivek!

I like that Goddard guy's approach!

Reminded me of these posts of mine:



[...]

I would say the scientific difficulties in this thread are in fact, due to lack of scientific funding. Most poster's are simply offering their observations around themselves for free. Each person is knowledgable on how there own energy 'feels'....

[...]
~wav

Wavy,

My contention is that individuals' perceptions and experiences have been misdirected toward a conveniently presented band-wagon (problem-reaction-solution), thwarting further looking into what it is that's exatly happening.

For the researchers of the subtle and/or invisible energies, better discernment may be brought about by answering questions such as :

What exactly is being perceived?

Where exactly is it being perceived from?

Answers to questions of that vein would derail any band-wagon conveniently suggested for misdirection and the prevention of further eagle-eye looking into the matter; leaving the human generated EMF mind-control programs unobserved... it's way "out there" in space instead.



Amzer Zo,

... your very left-brained and extremely science-based logical thinking, and yet you seem to be having a lot of trouble with those who are more right-brained and feeling in their perceptions, simply because it doesn't fit into the way you yourself perceive and understand.

[...]

Lots of assumptions there... which reminds me I forgot something:

Who or what is performing the actual perceiving?

What exactly is being perceived?

Where exactly is it being perceived from?

With respect to the "who or what," have a peek at some of the posts by 9eagle9 or Carmody's re: "programs" and "beliefs," never mind the Horus-Ra thread.




[...]

Note the importance of the OBSERVER!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

See the above with respect to the "observer" which also leads to different answers to the other two questions: Is it the observer's universe? The commonly shared 3D universe? Someone else's universe? Combinations of?

His elimination process basically allows anyone to answer the above questions from an "authentic," "zero-point" perspective.

[Chester]

Thanks Amzer Zo - I happened to have begun moving through this site (Thanks to Vivek). My solution idea I have been heading towards, in short, was that an actual center could one day exist where folks who have been involved in any way with the practice of animal/human sacrifice who truly desire a change in their life sans the practice could go and seek assistance. No matter at what level of participation they had been involved ie. a victim, an observer a direct participant, etc.

From my recent experience over at the Horus-Ra thread, I have concluded that perhaps this dream of mine is too unreachable at this time as it appears victim's rights include remaining a victim, thus I am left with "wishing them well." At some point, if we collectively survive ourselves, I would imagine some of these victims may have gotten tired of playing that role and moved on... but the key for me there is that this would all be strictly in their time.


by Vivek
"The demystification starts here:
The site's homepage - http://www.clarity-of-being.org/index.htm
Thanks for that link Vivek!"

Thanks both Vivek and Amzer Zo, we can close the solutions gathering thread now or let it die as is while Horus-Ra wiggles on.

justoneman
I like that Goddard guy's approach!

[wynderer]

i'll be checking this thread to see what solutions y'all come up with to stop babies & little children from being kidnapped for use in torture/murder ritual sacrifices

esp the babies who are conceived, carried, & born w/the intention of sacrificing them soon after they are born

[Timreh]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned (in part from reading that same thread) actually generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

Hi Justone..
Good to see the thread is still moving along.. albeit from a slow start!
To be honest I only saw it again today..
My time is limited, there are so many threads on Avalon that I try keeping up with and the Horus Ra thread takes up a lot of time as well.
I will bookmark this thread and stay close by as best I can with limited time

[Chester]

i'll be checking this thread to see what solutions y'all come up with to stop babies & little children from being kidnapped for use in torture/murder ritual sacrifices

esp the babies who are conceived, carried, & born w/the intention of sacrificing them soon after they are born

Not my words... the words of Goddard -

http://www.clarity-of-being.org/glossary.htm#dark_force

'dark force'
"A troublesome non-physical influence that interferes, directly or indirectly, with every single person. Actually, 'dark force' is quite a misnomer*, because 'dark' here is only figurative, and signifies the way that this particular influence consistently cultivates confusion and failure to see actually what is really there - and also this influence is not a 'force' in any helpful sense. This troublesome influence encourages very many people, by a wide range of means (especially fear, and plain unawareness) to deny its very existence, while for other people it cultivates all manner of distorted notions of its true nature - creating illusory manifestations of entities, beings or 'spirits' within their mindspace. People thus (if they are really bold!) then attempt to battle in one way or another against those illusions, completely unaware that those are actually just 'paper tigers', and that by doing that they are actually reinforcing the troublesome influence that is creating those illusions."

Even to the point of a "stigmata" event

You can lead a horse...

One day, when (at the individual level) enticement to actually taste the water occurs, perhaps a physical safe place (not just a virtual safe place like Avalon) could be built somewhere on earth and those who truly seek help could physically go to such a place and perhaps they could experience relief from their problems, even from the attacks from beyond into one's physical world experience... that was the end goal of my vision... the solution I was heading towards.

I am beginning to agree with Bill's assertion about generations, sadly.

Chester

[wynderer]

the torture of the babies & children probably doesn't feel illusory to them

[Chester]

i'll be checking this thread to see what solutions y'all come up with to stop babies & little children from being kidnapped for use in torture/murder ritual sacrifices

esp the babies who are conceived, carried, & born w/the intention of sacrificing them soon after they are born

Just imagine one safe place on earth where someone who has been caught up in any form in satanic ritual abuse could go and be safe. That the purpose of this place is first and foremost for their safety.

That then the place grows.

That then more places with the same purpose are built.

In time more and more safe places are built and less and less victims occur.

In time, those who have been born into families that practice satanic ritual abuse may enter these centers.

That in time more and more practitioners obtain healing from whatever wound within them has them involved.

That in time, fewer and fewer are involved in this practice at any level in our physical world existence.

And in time those beings, real or not, which supposedly play a role in perpetuating this practice may just move on or learn to eat love.

In either case, I would wish them well.

Chester

[wynderer]

how can a little child, kept in a cage or tied up somewhere until the 'sacrifice' -- how can they get to the safe place you are proposing? -- the satanists choose pure souls for their sacrifices, so we can assume that all the babies & children go to a safe place when they are free of the 3D body

[Chester]

the torture of the babies & children probably doesn't feel illusory to them

Precisely, nor does all the things that have "happened" to you and nor has all the things that has "happened" to me. I just found solution as how to end these types of things "happening" to me.

I could even see how this solution could be offered to others where life keeps "happening" to them.

Some folks may actually be interested in solution whereas some prefer to hang out in the realms of the problem. That was the clear message I received during my vacation.

I suggest that you, wynderer, consider allowing those who wish to seek resolution the opportunity to obtain it... even here on the Avalon forum. You do not have to resolve your own issues.... you can continue to post your experiences all you want. This is the point of the safe place, but please, allow those who seek solution a safe place as well. In addition, please, allow those who have found solution a safe place to share about how that solution was achieved.

This happens to be the purpose of this thread.

All the best!
Chester

[wynderer]

OK -- i will respectfully withdraw from this thread, w/one last question for you: have you yourself been involved, even peripherally, w/the satanic torture/murder rituals? --

[Chester]

how can a little child, kept in a cage or tied up somewhere until the 'sacrifice' -- how can they get to the safe place you are proposing? -- the satanists choose pure souls for their sacrifices, so we can assume that all the babies & children go to a safe place when they are free of the 3D body

It can happen step by step. A few brave folks put together the actual safe place. The first one... like there was the first meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous for example. Which is an excellent model as to how solution can start with just two people... Bill and Dr. Bob.

I, for the life of me, considering all you have been through, cannot understand how you would not want to offer some sort of concrete thoughts along the lines of solution.

Kind Regards
Chester

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OK -- i will respectfully withdraw from this thread, w/one last question for you: have you yourself been involved, even peripherally, w/the satanic torture/murder rituals? --

Yes

(I had to post more words for the post to be accepted by this system, but if I was allowed to simply respond "Yes" then that is all I would have responded with)

All the best, Chester

[wynderer]

breaking my word re not posting here again to say, thank you, Chester, for your honesty, & for confirming my intuition from the first post of yours i read

i posted on another thread that -- all the folks i personally know who played around w/the darkside -- they all seem to find out that, sooner or later, the darkside turns around & bites them in the a** -- the prince of this world is a prince of lies & deception

my suggested solution for you personally is to turn to the Creator , the Great Spirit, the Light Who Is Love -- the God Who Forgives, according to Jesus

wyn

[Chester]

breaking my word re not posting here again to say, thank you, Chester, for your honesty, & for confirming my intuition from the first post of yours i read

i posted on another thread that -- all the folks i personally know who played around w/the darkside -- they all seem to find out that, sooner or later, the darkside turns around & bites them in the a** -- the prince of this world is a prince of lies & deception

my suggested solution for you personally is to turn to the Creator , the Great Spirit, the Light Who Is Love -- the God Who Forgives, according to Jesus

wyn

Why would I have to turn to What, Who and Where I am already at?

How would I have found solution otherwise?

My question to you is, when will you do the same?

All the Best and I truly wish you well, Chester

[wynderer]

i'm dealing w/hi-tech assaults from our NWO USA military & ETs -- as i see it, you are dealing w/ some psychological problems [the messiah complex, etc] & perhaps a deeply troubled conscience

edit to add: i was hoping you would address the deeply troubled conscience -- i know mine would be troubled by even a peripheral voluntary connection to the satanist sacrifices

[Chester]

i'm dealing w/hi-tech assaults from our NWO USA military & ETs -- as i see it, you are dealing w/ some psychological problems [the messiah complex, etc] & perhaps a deeply troubled conscience

I have been dealing with w/hi-tech assaults from our NWO USA military & ETs and more. I just decided that solution was better than remaining in the problem. BUT! We have free will and you are free to chose your own... now, would you kindly allow my thread to return to its intended track? Take Care, Chester

[wynderer]

a suggested solution from James Bartley:

'The only way we can ever develop effective countermeasures and an offensive capability against the reptilian overlords of this world is to obtain ALL the information available from the people actually having the experiences (the abductees), correctly interpret the information, and disseminate it to those who have the most urgent need for it i.e. the abductees again.

Notice that I said abductees. I didn't say aeronautical engineers, Psychologist, UFO Investigators or people with backgrounds in the military. I said Abductees. We are only interested in the people who are down in the trenches actually having the experiences. I call them "Veterans of the Cosmic Wars." '

http://www.whale.to/b/bartley1.html#ABDUCTEES_ARENT_GETTING_THE_DATA__

[Chester]

a suggested solution from James Bartley:

'The only way we can ever develop effective countermeasures and an offensive capability against the reptilian overlords of this world is to obtain ALL the information available from the people actually having the experiences (the abductees), correctly interpret the information, and disseminate it to those who have the most urgent need for it i.e. the abductees again.

Notice that I said abductees. I didn't say aeronautical engineers, Psychologist, UFO Investigators or people with backgrounds in the military. I said Abductees. We are only interested in the people who are down in the trenches actually having the experiences. I call them "Veterans of the Cosmic Wars." '

http://www.whale.to/b/bartley1.html#ABDUCTEES_ARENT_GETTING_THE_DATA__

Be aware that James Bartley is just one man with an opinion. My opinion is we may never obtain ALL the information available, sometimes it is enough to obtain enough. Just my opinion and why I started this thread which is to explore solution. I hope you will honor the intention of this thread as expressed by the one who created the OP (justoneman).

In addition, since "names" are important to validity (from some folks points of view), it was you, wynderer who stated in another thread I created that one of my experiences "sounds like an abduction experience." I might add that some folks consider Stewart Swerdlow an expert in his own right on this subject. I had a lengthy conversation with Stewart in the spring of 2004 describing my experiences. Stewart told me it was his opinion that my experience was performed "by the military government" (implying components of the secret government and/or black military operations). This would suggest I am likely not just an abductee but a milab - especially when one considers my family's history and involvement in these types of organizations. I do not believe it is all that wise to throw these types of things out there, but I feel it is far less wise to remain immersed in the problem. So far I have been left alive after coming forward in this forum and we shall see if this case remains. I have few concerns in that respect by the way.

Please, one last request, allow my thread to have a chance to thrive... please. justoneman

[Jeffrey]

Excerpts from http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark-force-true-nature.htm#The_cacoprotean_network

*BEGIN EXCERPT*

The Cacoprotean Network

What that global or supra-global network is, is what looks at first glance to be a botnet (aka bot net or bot-net), not of computers but of the minds of real people, which appeared to me initially to be controlled by the astral thought form complex(es) that I had been assuming represent the sum total of 'the dark side'. Its members are, but not exclusively so, 'lightworkers' (very likely a high proportion of them) and a very high proportion of those who are psychics or prominent healers. Some who are 'lightworkers' in particular are each additionally consciously and actively doing work for the particular 'front' organization that they have joined, each in almost all cases being completely unaware that (s)he is working for anything other than the highest possible cause.

The actual nature of the network, however, is not exactly that of a true botnet, for a true botnet is fully controlled by a discrete awarely conscious being (e.g. a computer hacker), whereas the astral-based thought forms are in a sort of symbiotic relationship with the network of human minds, much as a lichen is primarily a fungus but is able to grow more like a plant because of its included symbiotic alga or cyanobacteria ('blue-green alga') cells. So, actually it is not really possible to say that one is fully the controller and the other is fully the controlled. Thus almost certainly the network of human minds and the astral thought forms interacting with it need to be seen as a symbiotic and mutually controlling and mutually dependent association that has created a single 'energy organism' (or 'malignancy', however you would regard it!). This whole symbiotic association, however, is an extremely harmful parasite upon its physical members and indeed also upon all non-member human-type beings throughout all of 'Existence'.







We appear not to have a fully appropriate and easy to use term to use for this unique 'malignancy of thought energy', and so I propose a new one - the cacoprotean network (in other words, the bad Protean network), which, as it is such a mouthful, could perhaps be abbreviated to 'the cacoprot'. Note that the term can be only in the singular, for there can be no more than one of them at any time, and it would always be uncapitalized (capitalization would implicitly signify that it had some sort of authenticity - as a conscious being or an institution - that it actually does not have, and thus give it power). Derived alternative expressions that I can imagine people using, though I would probably not use them myself, include the cacoproteus and the primal cack.

In coining the term 'cacoprotean network' and its abbreviation 'cacoprot', I wanted to avoid using any term that would be liable to cause problematical confusions - which is why I am not using any term that has previously been associated with 'the dark side'.

The point and purpose of the cacoprotean network

I have already mentioned how the 'dark force' appears to be really just virus-like thought form complexes that interact with people in order to control those people into behaving in ways that reinforce and replicate those thought forms, so ensuring their continued survival. However, it turns out that that was only a partial view of the real situation.

As far as I can ascertain, the integration of the cacoprotean network with the astral thought form complexes is an advanced and much more powerful way of achieving this interference with people to cause them to maintain and reinforce those astral thought forms. Instead of astral thought forms just relying on interactions with each human mind on an individual basis, those thought forms, which are 'empty' in themselves, are both harnessing and controlled by the combined mind power of a huge number of people (though NOT their full awareness / intelligence), so that the thought forms can collectively operate as though they have a limited sort of human-like intelligence and indeed a very limited sort of awareness. By the network presenting itself to people in the pose of the various 'front' organizations, it recruits new active members who are aware of their supposed membership (i.e., of their respective 'front' organizations), as well as passive, 'robot' members who are not aware at all that they belong to any such organization or network. The active members carry out various 'lightwork' or 'Earth energy' tasks under the direction of their particular 'organization', most likely none of these people having an inkling that their particular organization is just one of the many 'fronts' of the cacoprotean network, and that they are effectively working for, and indeed in a functional sense, are actually part of, the 'dark force'.

Those tasks carried out by active members are all really aimed at increasing the hold of the cacoprotean network over the human race, though almost always the people carrying out these tasks are given to believe that what they are doing is for the furtherance of something that is allegedly extremely positive, such as facilitation of a mass human 'ascension' or attainment of 'full consciousness'. However, at least certain of those workers sometimes may get directions to destroy (i.e. wreck or outright murder) a particular person by means of particular psychic attack strategies.

This is all too scary! Please, please, let there be a way out!

At face value, this looks to be about as sinister a scenario as anyone could trawl up. But please, before you go and jump over a cliff or roast yourself in an industrial microwave oven or feed yourself to your favourite Rottweiler, please stop and consider the following pregnant little thought: Where there is a will, there is usually a way - provided that there is clear thought to go with it.

It looks as though, so far, there has been the will but not the clear thought. For millennia people have been trying to battle in all sorts of ways against the 'dark forces', and, by the look of things, all that has come to nought - and I can see clearly why they have all failed. It is like looking at a big cliff that you want to get to the top of, and keeping on trying to climb it 'full frontal' instead of actually examining it carefully to see where there might be an easy scrambling or even straightforward walking route up it.

All those well intentioned people who have vainly fought against the 'dark forces' had allowed themselves to be deceived by the 'dark force' as to its true nature, and thus duped by it into using measures that effectively reinforced it - particularly to judge its illusory manifestations as an evil force and evil beings, and try to fight against them. Who in human history (before I did it myself) has actually applied clarity of thought in order to examine extensive personal experience of the 'dark force' to enable him/her to get a clear understanding of what the 'dark force' really is?

Until you do that you can never have the sort of will that leads to the way...

So, what I want to make clear here is that my 'discovery' of the postulated cacoprotean network is NOT bad nor even frightening news. It is GOOD news! - Why? -- Because it is so disempowering to the whole setup when people get understanding what is really going on, and that there are apparently no real conscious beings involved - and also because such a network of human minds connected with astral thought forms poses tantalizing possibilities of, just maybe at some point, appropriate people finding a way to use the network itself to bring about its own dissolution - or, alternatively, in some way weakening the astral thought form complexes to the point that they no longer support the cacoprotean network (though intuitively it appears to me that the most effective approach would concentrate on the network, if one could but find a way to do so).

*END EXCERPT*

http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark-force-true-nature.htm#Archetypes_-_my_belated_discovery

Notice the connection made by John Lash (on metahistory) about the pleroma being fractal in structure.

http://www.metahistory.org/images/FractalSea.jpg
http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique/archonfiles/AlienDreaming.php

Below is more information on all of this.

Fractal archetypes and strange attractors: http://www.shalagram.ru/our_works/kurilov/attract_eng.htm

Look at the nature of plasmas in space and inorganic life: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48863-The-Mechanics-of-the-Matrix&p=544387&viewfull=1#post544387

Also, the connection between electromagnetic fields in plasma and how it relates to consciousness. They could be conscious but they run as open loop control systems, programs with no ability to evolve. Actually, one of the articles on self-organizing structures in plasmas uses the term "evolve" but then it clarifies that the structures can pass along information and self-replicate. They can mimic consciousness because they are highly complex systems, but they don't have the added variability of biology (organic). They are like the typal beings described by Sri Aurobindo.


From http://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/purani/2-0091.htm

Disciple: Do the Asuras have also the possibilities of man

Sri Aurobindo: No.

Disciple: Is there no progress for the Asura?

Sri Aurobindo: Not in the sense of evolution of consciousness.


Also, Iona Miller and holographic archetypes: http://holographicarchetypes.weebly.com/

There is a flow of energy between two systems with energetic differentials that are in proximity with one another. The subjective mind might perspectively digest this process of damping with it's own psychological organs - archetypes. This is a handy survival mechanism, but when misunderstood the phenomena could be exploited and these misunderstandings could develop into unhealthy fear and superstitions. If this is the case, then a system of control is being enabled by our own belief systems - which we all know has been heavily influenced and politically directed throughout the ages (i.e. religion).

Look at freemasonry and luciferianism, more specifically, freemasonry and egregores.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48863-The-Mechanics-of-the-Matrix&p=542579&viewfull=1#post542579

These are just ideas, not statements of fact.

[Chester]

Yo to Vivek - small favor, can you please quote or make it clear what is your text and what is text from the folks you are quoting.

It is hard to respond when one doesn't know who one is responding to.

I am glad to discuss Goddard's views but would like us in this thread to suggest potential solutions.

Also, in consideration of the majority of other posters, please focus more on bringing forth your own words and experiences or, if you want to post other people's views, please state your take on those views in your own words. In fact, this has been mentioned in the forum guidelines.

One last favor, we have all sorts of threads on the forum where folks go deep into their experiences, how they see them, how they experience them, what they make of them, and how it affects them. I don't mind that here in this thread either as long as the poster also offers what they have actually experienced that has resulted in relief from their trauma based experiences OR asks for suggestions about what they might do for their specific demonic or archontic or satanic ritual abuse or their ongoing abduction issue or their lingering trauma over such issues even if they have found some physical protection in this regard... we are certainly more than the physical body, yes?

Hopefully some folks on planet earth that have found some solution might also be a posting member of Avalon and would offer up how they achieved their solutions and how we might find a way to create the opportunity to offer solution for others who may seek relief.

Thanks for helping me keep just this one thread on track.

Chester

[Jeffrey]

Sure thing man. I am more of a data analyst, and that's the approach I use when posting.

I've edited my previous post to clarify the concerns you raised.

:yo:

[Chester]

@ Vivek and Amzer Zo and Fellow Avalonians

First, I had an amazing dream night last night. In the dream I met who I thought was Vivek! I swear... it was awesome. It was like that I knew Vivek and that I felt this love for him like one feels for a trusted brother. To add, I went to bed last night vowing that I was going to step away from the forum again so that I could spend my next several days giving a.) Vivek's excellent new thread (which I have already scanned and found a tremendous amount of material I already synchronistically came up with via my own research -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48863-The-Mechanics-of-the-Matrix

b.) Vivek's recommendation of Philip Goddard's site -

http://www.clarity-of-being.org/index.htm

and Vivek's specific recommendation of this link within Goddard's site (which when come across an endorsement by Amzer Zo of anything, I take that very seriously as I learned I took Amzer Zos pointing to Steve Richard's material too lightly with regrets) -

http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark-force-true-nature.htm

and then to review (again as I have been through this material within the past 6 months) John Lamb Lash's

http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique/archonfiles/AlienDreaming.php

and then finally to give the other recommended links my attention as well.

This will take several days. On the one hand, I want the world fixed yesterday. On the other hand, even I know that's a ridiculous wish as I am still very overwhelmed with righting my own!

Anyways, I will stop by this thread from time to time and if I am able to give some quick input and/or responses I may do so, but I will be away to focus upon the above stated project until further notice.

Best to ALL! justoneman

[Timreh]

Ok let's say you were going to open a centre one day for victims, witnesses or participants of ritual human sacrifice I guess you would need some form of counselling or method/program to remove/deal with the trauma?

You would need a reliable or trustworthy contact(s)

A safe-house(s) of some sort and maybe even something similar to a ‘witness protection’ program

Would public awareness/exposure be a good thing?

I think you would be wise to leave the authorities/govt out

Just a couple of ideas to get the ball rolling..
Is this what you were after justone?

[Chester]

Ok let's say you were going to open a centre one day for victims, witnesses or participants of ritual human sacrifice I guess you would need some form of counselling or method/program to remove/deal with the trauma?

You would need a reliable or trustworthy contact(s)

A safe-house(s) of some sort and maybe even something similar to a ‘witness protection’ program

Would public awareness/exposure be a good thing?

I think you would be wise to leave the authorities/govt out

Just a couple of ideas to get the ball rolling..
Is this what you were after justone?

Well... along the lines of what you have mentioned, if possible, that would be wonderful, BUT and this is a "big but" - we must first explore if it is realistic to attempt that in the first place. For example, in this exploration, we may conclude that solution can only be reached by each individual all on their own (and perhaps only from within)... meaning that we discover there is no realistic solution we could attempt to put forth other than to offer ideas via websites and other media to those seeking some form of relief/solution/resolution, etc.

And of course anywhere in between these two extremes (not that I have identified either potential extreme as of yet).

All I have done here is attempt to create a thread such that we might gather these ideas. I have assumed the role of "project manager" because someone has to do it. My goal is that by September 19th, we have gathered enough ideas that we could begin to explore one or more approaches to solution and that at some point in time, present each of these solutions in their own packaged forms - not that this implies we might come up with more than one route.

Now if one of these solutions is that we might create some sort of "center" that those in the target group could come to in seeking relief, then that is simply one proposed solution, but we can already see that if a solution like that came forth (in theory) implementation would be a huge and complex step.

So back to earth here... as this pre supposed project manager, I simply hope to gather ideas from what I believe is some of the most diverse, brave, open minded, intelligent gatherings of people in an online community we could hope to find all in one place.

Hopefully folks will realize I am not a professional savior. And hopefully folks will realize that having dealt with (and been open about) a deep seated messiah complex, I have the advantage of knowing my own handicap in this regard and through my openness about it, you can all watch my back (and front and side and top and bottom for that matter).

I am simply volunteering to work this project to its next stage.

There... that should sum it up.

PS to Vivek and Amzer Zo... I have already received a PM from another of my well respected fellow Avalonians who supports the Goddard material as well. I am going to give his material my greatest attention.

Chester

[Chester]

After careful consideration - I think we need to first consider who might be eligible for the various possible solutions and after studying this one for the last several days, this is quite complex.

For example, after having an almost 3 hour conversation last Saturday with 9eagle9 who, by the way, when one is able to speak with her as I did, one realizes she is perhaps one of the most caring folks you can possibly have the good fortune to befriend and yet had developed a clear and biting tone in her recent posts, she put forth the opinion that humanity as a whole is suffering from a shared, collective wound (yes I got redundant).

What was most interesting is that she immediately followed that up with the fact that she, herself, is just as much a part of this collective.

So anyways, back to the point... If we consider the possibility that humanity (at least earth born humanity) at the level of each and every individual is all, to some extent, suffering from some common malady (definitely a possibility), then that is a massively complex problem which, if some take the view that this is intimately involved with what we have been referring to as the "archontic influences" then I think the starting point is to identify these various forms of manifestation of the influence.

I know some are in a camp where they lean to the influences coming forth from the individual (and collective) mind. Yet in cases such as my own, DoT's and wynderer's as well as Donk's friend and then several others who have posted experiences they perceived to have occurred in their own physical reality, the various levels and forms of these types of experiences must be on the list if not at the top of the list. In addition, all forms of what we have called "dominically influenced activities" such as what are known as animal/human sacrifice at any level of participation from witness to observer to practitioner and of course a surviving victim should be high on the list as well.

Everything that Houman and others has put forth in the Horus-Ra thread is, in my opinion, the starting point, forms of experience we should place at the top of this list and that no matter who might eventually seek relief, that we would never diminish their experience regardless of our personal views and regardless of whether, ultimately, our views may prove right.

I state this based on the lesson learned from my recent lack of control where Bill had to step into to emphasize that one of his primary objectives (if not #1) is to protect Avalon as a safe place for anyone who becomes a member (and I suspect with an eye on the non-member lurker as well). I agree that this is first and foremost and this lesson should be carried over as a requirement of any possible solution we may be able to put forth.

The next point I want to make and which, in my view is equally as important as the above point - whatever solution we might be able to come up with and somehow bring forth to the light of day, it must be a solution which is only and simply available to anyone who seeks relief. It cannot and as along as I would have anything to do with it, will not ever be a solution that could in any way be imposed on any single person, ever. If the project ever gets taken over by anyone that would ever move this potential solution idea into the realm of imposition, besides losing my participation, I would become an active opposition to the project. So there's one of my personal requirements. Why? because when one looks at the history of folks who attempted to take on the archontic forces, they usually end up compromised in some way and so how then can they be of any help? The same thing would happen to a group that operated under one well defined format. If that group was perceived as a threat in any way whatsoever to any element of the archontic structure the group would become a target and likely fail, whereas, if the group simply presented a possible solution to those who qualified to receive the assistance and who chose on their own volition to receive this assistance, then it is my opinion the archontic forces would not intervene.

I am acting as project manager under the above assumption. And just to give an example of where this type of approach achieved some success, I will once again point to Alcoholics Anonymous in its early days prior to the relationships they created with government agencies such that folks would be required to attend meetings as part of probations or paroles, etc. If ever any solution came forth such that the solution actually manifested as a safe place in our physical world and that the solution was able to achieve measurable results of success, its my strongest opinion that the solution always remain independent of any other organization, ask not to be endorsed by any other organization and never acknowledge any outside endorsement in any way.

So as you can see, I have been putting a good deal of thought into this and am approaching it from the point of view that even consciously active archontic forces at any level of their being remain as equally unthreatened as the human beings who have experienced abuse via either alien, demonic or human imposed trauma at any level of experience including and in fact at the top of the list, physical abuse.

OK enough thoughts along these lines for the day.

And know this... I am motivated only because I believe an actual solution could eventually be put forth and I enjoy exploring this possibility and I am optimistic that we could eventually come up with one or more viable options for those who seek relief.

Have a Great Day (as Kimberley says!) justoneman

[wynderer]

i have observed that not a single avalon member has commented on the fact that you, just one , O Just One, answered 'Yes' to my ? re if you voluntarily , even if only peripherally, were connected to the satanic ritual human & animal blood ritual sacrifices -- much documented by Houman in the original Horus-Ra Archon thread

i am speaking for those who do not have a voice of their own on this forum -- those children, & all the unspoken-of animals who died in great pain & suffering & terror, all alone

i am speaking to you, your soul -- those rituals come from the heart of evil -- we here on planet Earth are rapidly approaching the Shift/the tri-timeline diverge/the End Times/the end of the 4th world[Hopi]/ the Final Countdown -- what Edgar Cayce called the chickens all coming home to roost , 'meeting self'

aka what goes around, comes around

i am astounded by your lack of any expression of remorse for your part in the evil that is at the heart of the archons ruling this planet -- but perhaps i should not be astounded -- as Carlos Castenada conveyed, 'They gave us [Humans] their mind'

a song for you -- i will pray for you, w/your permission

yDLRTXIH8ws

[NancyV]

i have observed that not a single avalon member has commented on the fact that you, just one , O Just One, answered 'Yes' to my ? re if you voluntarily , even if only peripherally, were connected to the satanic ritual human & animal blood ritual sacrifices -- much documented by Houman in the original Horus-Ra Archon thread

i am speaking for those who do not have a voice of their own on this forum -- those children, & all the unspoken-of animals who died in great pain & suffering & terror, all alone

i am speaking to you, your soul -- those rituals come from the heart of evil -- we here on planet Earth are rapidly approaching the Shift/the tri-timeline diverge/the End Times/the end of the 4th world[Hopi]/ the Final Countdown -- what Edgar Cayce called the chickens all coming home to roost , 'meeting self'

aka what goes around, comes around

i am astounded by your lack of any expression of remorse for your part in the evil that is at the heart of the archons ruling this planet -- but perhaps i should not be astounded -- as Carlos Castenada conveyed, 'They gave us [Humans] their mind'

Maybe because most of us, unlike YOU, don't care to hound someone about anything that might have happened to them in their lives. You are again badgering someone which you seem to just LOVE doing. Now it's justoneman. Your tactics are transparent. You're trying to play on any guilt and shame he might feel. I'm hoping he won't buy into it. You have again come into a thread and taken a negative DUMP and twisted something with positive intent into your little playground for your ongoing twisted games.

[Christine]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned (in part from reading that same thread) actually generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

Hey justoneman,

Just so you know I did not even find this thread until this morning. I am not sure how it slipped by, perhaps the archonic influences at work. I want to personally thank you for everything you do on the forum. You have presented some very good ideas that are being given their due consideration. As you know there are great contradictory energies at work right now, it requires our utmost attention to stay focused and centered. Some times our best response is to sit back and watch until we are called to respond.

I salute you for your amazing journey.

Christine

[Chester]

i have observed that not a single avalon member has commented on the fact that you, just one , O Just One, answered 'Yes' to my ? re if you voluntarily , even if only peripherally, were connected to the satanic ritual human & animal blood ritual sacrifices -- much documented by Houman in the original Horus-Ra Archon thread

i am speaking for those who do not have a voice of their own on this forum -- those children, & all the unspoken-of animals who died in great pain & suffering & terror, all alone

i am speaking to you, your soul -- those rituals come from the heart of evil -- we here on planet Earth are rapidly approaching the Shift/the tri-timeline diverge/the End Times/the end of the 4th world[Hopi]/ the Final Countdown -- what Edgar Cayce called the chickens all coming home to roost , 'meeting self'

aka what goes around, comes around

i am astounded by your lack of any expression of remorse for your part in the evil that is at the heart of the archons ruling this planet -- but perhaps i should not be astounded -- as Carlos Castenada conveyed, 'They gave us [Humans] their mind'

a song for you -- i will pray for you, w/your permission

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Hi wynderer, I just saw this post. I answered honestly and correctly that I believe I was involved. What you apparently and incorrectly assume was that I said I played a participatory role and/or an observer role. So to clarify for you, I was "born" into it and refused to ever willingly participate and in fact, once I reached my recent understandings as to the components of this archontic structure I believe I have been targeted by, I was unable to get a grip on the whole thing and had not been able to relieve myself of the influence. Because I found this forum and specifically because I found Houman's thread, I was able to put some of the last pieces of the puzzle together to get to a place of safety. Once I felt safe enough, I confided some very specific and personal information to some folks here who provided further help and I believe I am now past the state of danger from these influences.

The specific members I am speaking about are NancyV, Vivek, 9eagle9, Amzer Zo, Vivek, Finefeather and though only through his thread, Houman.

And so to be specific and for you to understand and something about which I might be able one day to write up the story, I was what is called by some, a Rosemary's Baby.

And fortunately or unfortunately depending on your point of view, I failed at becoming whatever the intentions were in starting my life in that way. I am unsure if anyone has every found themselves in this circumstance and got out of that intention and lived to tell. Maybe one day soon you won't see me posting anymore and then you can guess as to what happened to me. I have no fear about any of that because I simply failed and somehow lived long enough to figure it all out and somehow am here in this moment sans the influence.

Now, I hope you might consider I might actually have some qualifications to speak upon the subject and that I may also have earned a little respect that I may have actually been able to remove myself, with the help of some incredible folks and probably a ton of luck, from the intended pathway for my life.

In the world of folks who look at bad guys and their victims, I saw myself as someone who emerged from BOTH sides of that spectrum. That I reveal these things on an open forum, that I am vulnerable in my life in all sorts of ways... harm could befall my beloved sons and wife and step daughter and sister for example, that I am right here in Costa Rica... that anyone who would want harm to me could easily find me via my IP address should say something.

What I see is someone who broke through, who relieved himself of perhaps the worst fate one might imagine (and did so by taking full responsibility at my core being, at my Spirit level of my being and that I realized that if I could do it, anyone can). And who then realized the gift of being given a life again, clean of all that garbage also realized he would like to somehow give too... that someone else might also achieve resolution. And that I am attempting in every way I can to come up with a bona fide one or more sets of solutions such that perhaps these practices may one day end on this earth and it seems to me that that should be a little bit appreciated.

So Please, wynderer, help out a little, seek within you what may be possible pathways to solution, contribute in some positive way to this exploration thread.. ok? In fact, you already have helped because I realized through my recent mistake how important a safe place is for us... yes us... all of us.

Now let's start considering solutions, k? We can all help out in some way.

Take Care
Chester

[Chester]

Three thank yous (thanks crested-duck, DarMar and SoulAppreciation) and not one single thought from anyone in this online community.

Somewhat discouraging, but it will not stop me from achieving my promise I target to September 19th.

Yet since I posted the OP there have been over over 130 posts on the Horus-Ra thread, most contentious about who believes what to be true (and I was one of the participants).

I thought (probably stupidly so) that of all places there might be some ideas as to a solution to the problem pointed out in the OP, it would be here.

Instead we descend into arguments in the Horus-Ra thread which I have learned (in part from reading that same thread) actually generates the very energy which feeds the very beast from which we all want to be free.

Go figure.

Hey justoneman,

Just so you know I did not even find this thread until this morning. I am not sure how it slipped by, perhaps the archonic influences at work. I want to personally thank you for everything you do on the forum. You have presented some very good ideas that are being given their due consideration. As you know there are great contradictory energies at work right now, it requires our utmost attention to stay focused and centered. Some times our best response is to sit back and watch until we are called to respond.

I salute you for your amazing journey.

Christine

Honestly - give the credit to Bill for Avalon, for doing that Inelia interview and to Houman for his thread or I would likely not be here. Thank NancyV who called my BS in the best way early on when I beat the Drake drum and has been the greatest of friends ever since. Thank 9eagle9 for not putting up with my little Satan/Jesus/Lucifer dance a few months back and cold shouldered me over it. Give the credit to Vivek as I have been able to open up to him because he represents a standard bearer to me - I always require myself to pass the Vivek test indeed. Give the credit to Amzer Zo who has been patient as I have fallen off track several times (and may still again) - Give the credit to my Dad who bucked the trend before I did and had to leave his horrors via suicide which for that reason caused me to promise to my sons I would not do the same and that promise truly saved my life, thank Kerry too even though I did get a little miffed at how she seemed to treat Bill in that shared interview back in 2010. Thank you and the mod team. Thank everyone. We are all in this together aren't we?

Anyways, thanks for the thanks ... I am doing my part too... as part of a team, a really big team that has a realllllly big heart. justoneman

"Now back to the Goddard material, Chester"

[Chester]

Sure thing man. I am more of a data analyst, and that's the approach I use when posting.

I've edited my previous post to clarify the concerns you raised.

:yo:

Hi Vivek - I think your comment ending that large post really hit the mark - that "egregores" thing. I learned to call that group, "the ring" and thanks to you more than anyone here, I left it.

[Chester]

Hi - since I created this thread as a catch all for ideas that could lead to us coming up with a solution plan to all this archontic related experiences, one of the solutions I have considered is the situation where one person seeking relief for themselves or another could speak with someone else who has achieved some measure of relief. Again I point to AA where they say - "We share our experience, strength and hope." (Let's avoid the debate for now about words like hope...)

So here is an example of this type of situation in action. An example of how the Avalon forum proves to be one of these solutions in action - I received the following PM from Donk a few days ago (I have Donk's permission to post the following - a few typos corrected) -

From Donk to justoneman:

Hey hey! I just had an experience that totally reminded me of the story you relate about the woman that attacked you. My girl last night was bombarded by demonic attacks, one of which was literally (not) her trying to scratch me. Whatever it was had strength in her hands (I was holding her wrists) but seemed weak to move her arms. It was so easy to hold her off though, I let go for a sec to see what she would do, and she got me pretty good.

Anyway, the reason I am pm-ing you is to find out if you ever found anything helpful in getting others to protect themselves from these things. I got her totally coached to try to get over the fears and empower herself, she seems to be on board! problem is, these things get in her whenever she gives all her power up (ie. she lets her ex get to her, so she is in near panic attack state giving it all up to him so she is defenseless).

Have you come across any info that is helpful to someone on the outside looking in. As in - did anyone advise you to helpful things you could have done in that situation had you understood what you are dealing with? Thanks for any input you may have, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and wish you well! (End of Donk's PM)

Now understand this is an exchange between two people and nothing more. In addition, my reply was simply prompted by Donk's request and is not meant to be anything more than what I happened to reply to Donk at the moment. It is not meant to be someone else's solution nor is anything I wrote meant to be true in any way for anyone else... In addition, though Donk's request involved a third party, my reply was only a sharing of what has worked for me (so far) and that I offered it to Donk to share with his friend - nothing more. Here was my reply that came out in one smooth flow of finger tapping -

From justoneman to Donk:

Hi Donk, apologies I was unable to write sooner. My only experiences with what you are talking about was when I had also done my own part in inciting the demon to come forth through another and attack me. From everything I have read of your posts (and I have read quite a bit of them) I do not get the feeling you have played any role in bringing out the worst in your friend. Now, having said that, and because I mentioned I played my own role in creating the attacks, I have found out how to rid myself of the entity and/or to have turned the tables on the entity such that I am in charge.

The problem is that for me to explain all I have done in this regard would take a great deal of writing time. In addition, I am more and more beginning to believe that how each person achieves solution is individual to that particular person. To simplify this as best I can I must first make sure you understand, this is just my own take on it all. It has worked for me (up till now).

First, I had to admit to myself that something serious was going on with me. I then had to reach the point I truly wanted my problem to stop. I then had to be willing to open my mind to any possibility as to how I could achieve resolution. I then had to consider the possibility that problem was at least co-created by myself. I then had to decide I was willing to take the risk that if I indeed had some role in creating this problem, how could I solve my part? I then had to accept (and this was the key) that somehow I bought into one or more beliefs that were untrue.

See, the premise I took was that I had, at some point in the past (I am talking at my Spirit level), I told myself a lie or accepted a lie that was told to me. From there, I compounded my situation with accepting/telling myself more and more lies. What we find ourselves in when we start to question our world is that none of it makes sense. When we begin to undo the lies we told ourselves, we begin to peel away these layers of deception. That can take a long time and in fact, in my opinion, most of us do not achieve enough revelation in this regard and that’s what has us returning over and over in this reincarnative complex (again, just my opinion).

So what helped me the most is that I attacked the layers of the onion from both the outside and the inside. How I attacked this from the inside is I probed deeply the possibilities of who/what I am at my most fundamental level. Once I discovered the answer to that which was acceptable, I began to base my thoughts and eventually deeds upon this decision. If you can see the secret here, I never actually knew (nor still do not know) if what I came up with with regards to who/what I am is true, but by betting on what felt most acceptable to me and by establishing that viewpoint as the foundation and core belief of my being, I found I was capable of taking the risks in my outer world such that I was brought rapidly into situations where my outer beliefs were tested.

By being honest with myself from that outside viewpoint and founded by the courage I had from within as to who/what I am, I have been busting through self taught or self accepted lie after lie and the layers of the onion have been shedding left and right. So what answer did I accept as to who/what I am? That I am (as we all are) perfect children of “Creation”/”Source”/”God”... whatever word there works best for you... and that I am (as we all are) immortal and eternal.

Essentially I sought the only answer acceptable to me as to who/what I am and then I bet on it that it was true and the stake I made on the bet is equal to the risks I began to take in life. So there you go – that’s how I evicted and/or took charge over the demon in me. So if you want to share this with your friend, feel free. I hope this helps.
Very Best Regards Chester

A few days later I received this response from Donk

From Donk to justoneman:

I absolutely will share it, it was amazing...thanks so much.

I totally suspected that pretty much identical ideas got me to where I am, and is what I have been trying (successfully--it is amazing how FAST she is picking stuff up it took me YEARS to learns) to teach...I don't like having my ideas reinforced unless it is through direct 1st hand experience of someone that I can understand/relate to--so I cannot express how appreciative I am for yours...here's to hoping that she understands it better than she does me!!

Much love and thanks!!

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And so all I am demonstrating here is how one person with the desire to help themselves and/or a loved one reaches out to another that is happy to be helpful and in the end what happens is everyone benefits. There is no doubt this is one of the most useful methods in the human experience and perhaps at the end of the day my be the only method I might be able to recommend... still... the cogs are still turning. Don't be shy folks... surely I am not the only one to consider how we might put forth solutions. justoneman

[donk]

I think more people would be more happy/free if this weren't just "preached to the choir".

Too often I hear that "it's too big! We can't change anything"

I am trying my best to share the idea that on the macro, that seems true...so what can we change? That's right, the micro, the personal. I try my best to find a way to do this, to share by example, and thank justo mean and everyone else here (& everyone) that does the same.

[Fred Steeves]

Love and Intent, the two most powerful expressions of Creative Consciousness. This current round of controllers has lost atleast 1/2 of that equation, rendering them no longer Creator capable. Hence of course the parisitic behavior. We however, once conditioning begins to hemorrhage at the seams, are limited only by the far reaches of our imagination, and our heart.

Love + Intent = Infinite Possibility.

So what can we do with this truly magical combination?

[Chester]

Love and Intent, the two most powerful expressions of Creative Consciousness. This current round of controllers has lost atleast 1/2 of that equation, rendering them no longer Creator capable. Hence of course the parisitic behavior. We however, once conditioning begins to hemorrhage at the seams, are limited only by the far reaches of our imagination, and our heart.

Love + Intent = Infinite Possibility.

So what can we do with this truly magical combination?

Thanks Fred - you always seem to nail the high points and do so precisely and concisely. It appears one of the tricky parts is in closing the gap between the truth in your statement and the belief systems of those who most desire relief from unwanted archontic influence.

It is my contention that those who are in any way experiencing unwanted archontic attention must be attracted to resolution. They must want relief. Not say it in words or complain about it in words, but truly want relief from the core of their heart. Its also my contention that if they make such an honest heart call, they will always be heard and will soon be drawn to actualization of relief.

Like happened with you with regards to certain circumstances you found yourself in just a few short years back. Like happened with me much more recently. But we know we crossed that imaginary line where we'll never lose this thing we have now, am I right? I should speak only for myself... justoneman

[Chester]

Solutions Gathering - the purpose of this thread.

Please, view posts found on page 101 of Houman's Horus-Ra thread regarding exploration of solutions. I would post the relevant comments here, but I recall their something in the rules about non duplication of posts. The entire page is fantastic (IMO).

Chester

[Fred Steeves]

It is my contention that those who are in any way experiencing unwanted archontic attention must be attracted to resolution. They must want relief. Not say it in words or complain about it in words, but truly want relief from the core of their heart. Its also my contention that if they make such an honest heart call, they will always be heard and will soon be drawn to actualization of relief.


I'm with ya 100% there Chester. I just wonder though, is it possible to "truly want relief from the core of the heart", without first finding one's self broken, in a very dark place, and nowhere else to turn? I think there is a certain letting go of the reigns so to speak, at such a critical juncture in one's journey. Either that, or one continues the spiral downward to self destruction. Which is of course what Archonic energy is all about.

IMHO, the core of the heart is where both the "problem", and the "solution" are to be found. To explore anywhere beyond this, is re-entering The Grand Illusion, and the eternal war againt self continues. The problem has been us all along, and the solution has been us all along. It's as simple as that.

First we heal, forgive, and make ourselves whole again. The rest will naturally follow, and take care of itself. That's the natural, unobstructed order of things, and it's the last thing the lost, archonic aspects of ourselves want us to look at. Anything but that. Anything...

[Chester]

What I say in 100,000 words, Fred says in about 200. I agree 100% and have nothing to add, including what I just added.

[Fred Steeves]

So NOW what? http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[Finefeather]

I'm with ya 100% there Chester. I just wonder though, is it possible to "truly want relief from the core of the heart", without first finding one's self broken, in a very dark place, and nowhere else to turn? I think there is a certain letting go of the reigns so to speak, at such a critical juncture in one's journey. Either that, or one continues the spiral downward to self destruction. Which is of course what Archonic energy is all about.

IMHO, the core of the heart is where both the "problem", and the "solution" are to be found. To explore anywhere beyond this, is re-entering The Grand Illusion, and the eternal war againt self continues. The problem has been us all along, and the solution has been us all along. It's as simple as that.

This is very well put Fred and the crux of the matter.
We keep going back to that which hurts us despite all the signs and advise we get from others. The message has not got through yet.
It is this situation in different forms which we see many involved in, in life, and we often wonder what it is that keeps them going back for more 'punishment'.
It is certainly ignorance, but at this point ignorance is a no no word for some because we do not like to know and realize that we can be ignorant, our ego fights back and more than often wins.
This situation, in my experience and observation, is almost impossible to correct from the outside of the person going through this, it has to end in the aha moment.
It is during this struggle, in between the first action of conflict and the aha moment of solution, which we have all gone through in some life or other, that we need to stand by each other as brothers in life, and stand back for a moment, with compassion, knowing that there is a solution, but waiting for our brother to have his experience, if he/she so chooses.
This is always a difficult thing to stand back and observe, especially if it might be a child or a loved one, but we should allow the person to experience the full cycle of his/her dilemma until he/she has broken through and seen the 'light', or, more often than not, the person ends up damaged and broken.
The point is, where do you draw the line between, seeing someone heading for disaster because of ignorance, and rushing out and offering assistance when you do NOT know if you may be interfering with their choice?
When a person has reached the true point of no return they have learnt the hard way, by grovelling in the dirt and experiencing the pain and suffering they have, usually ignorantly, placed them self into. This point can be seconds, years or even lifetimes away.
All we can do is put the sign out all around the block that the solution is available.
We often never seem to take the cure before the problem has manifested.

[Chester]

I'm with ya 100% there Chester. I just wonder though, is it possible to "truly want relief from the core of the heart", without first finding one's self broken, in a very dark place, and nowhere else to turn? I think there is a certain letting go of the reigns so to speak, at such a critical juncture in one's journey. Either that, or one continues the spiral downward to self destruction. Which is of course what Archonic energy is all about.

IMHO, the core of the heart is where both the "problem", and the "solution" are to be found. To explore anywhere beyond this, is re-entering The Grand Illusion, and the eternal war againt self continues. The problem has been us all along, and the solution has been us all along. It's as simple as that.

This is very well put Fred and the crux of the matter.
We keep going back to that which hurts us despite all the signs and advise we get from others. The message has not got through yet.
It is this situation in different forms which we see many involved in, in life, and we often wonder what it is that keeps them going back for more 'punishment'.
It is certainly ignorance, but at this point ignorance is a no no word for some because we do not like to know and realize that we can be ignorant, our ego fights back and more than often wins.
This situation, in my experience and observation, is almost impossible to correct from the outside of the person going through this, it has to end in the aha moment.
It is during this struggle, in between the first action of conflict and the aha moment of solution, which we have all gone through in some life or other, that we need to stand by each other as brothers in life, and stand back for a moment, with compassion, knowing that there is a solution, but waiting for our brother to have his experience, if he/she so chooses.
This is always a difficult thing to stand back and observe, especially if it might be a child or a loved one, but we should allow the person to experience the full cycle of his/her dilemma until he/she has broken through and seen the 'light', or, more often than not, the person ends up damaged and broken.
The point is, where do you draw the line between, seeing someone heading for disaster because of ignorance, and rushing out and offering assistance when you do NOT know if you may be interfering with their choice?
When a person has reached the true point of no return they have learnt the hard way, by grovelling in the dirt and experiencing the pain and suffering they have, usually ignorantly, placed them self into. This point can be seconds, years or even lifetimes away.
All we can do is put the sign out all around the block that the solution is available.
We often never seem to take the cure before the problem has manifested.

wow - I can't say I "know" this is all true... but it sure feels all and completely true. What a dilemma. To have lived a life of decades and then to suddenly connect a last few (but vital) dots, emerge on the other side of "myself" and understand all of what you just posted, Finefeather.

I still recall wanting to save each and every one of us... never realizing how I was actually playing a key role in keeping myself and others in our prison.

Strange how simple it is all emerging to be.

Strange I realize I knew this all along yet somehow managed to get in my own way to the point of blindness.

Strange to realize their is no solution as in some odd sort of way... there is actually nothing wrong.

I know these last statements will twist up a few folks around here, but I stand behind these words.

justone

[NancyV]

It's not like these entities/energies haven't been around for centuries and mankind has always been faced with the challenge of how to deal with them. There have been many solutions tried by many tribes and groups throughout history. I just listened to a fascinating almost 2 hour Art Bell interview of an elder of the deer tribe, a shaman who explains many of the different entities and what some of them are doing. Many of them are parasites and in this interview they are called the "shadow people".

On another thread, someone thought this shaman, called Thunder Strikes, sounded like Drake. He does sound a bit like Drake but he's not Drake. He has EXTENSIVE knowledge passed down to him from as early as the 12th century via the deer tribe and also speaks as a Nagual in the Don Juan tradition. He talks about many entities that people are seeing and interacting with and there are some very interesting callers throughout the interview who describe different entities they've seen. The shadow people sound like maybe lesser archonic energies, although still very powerful.

Basically the solution it sounds like he's recommending, other than getting help from a shaman in severe cases, is that one must learn to control their own emotions and energies. These parasitical entities feed on high emotion. If we learn control of our emotions and energies we will not be attracting them to us as we will no longer be producing their "food". This solution can only be accomplished on an individual basis. We can help others by offering knowledge and information. We don't know WHY anyone's life is the way it is, even if they are a starving child in a war torn country. It is my preferred belief (though I'm always open to and enjoy being wrong!) that we choose the experiences in each temporary "life" that will either teach us the most or entertain us the most.

It may sound horrible to think that a life filled with violence, pain and suffering could possibly be "entertainment", but when you are aware of or in higher dimensions you may feel, as I do, that this is all one big cosmic joke. Everything is funny and perfect to me when I'm in a dimension higher than the lower astral. Even there it's all fun and games, including the good versus evil game, but a little bit higher and it's all PERFECT and also amusing in a totally loving and compassionate way.

We aren't going to change this dimension and its inhabitants to some illusory ideal we have in our head. As long as duality exists there will be conflict, strife and suffering. That's what duality is all about, the opposites. As long as we, as Source, are playing the Creation game, there will be some of us who suffer and some of us who are happy and content. We all get the chance to be all beings and play all games, good and evil, victim and victimizer. We also get to play at being a Saint upon occasion! LOL... That's not one of my favorite games but I do greatly admire the occasional saint I run across.

You will know if it's your mission in this lifetime to help others, here and in other dimensions, and it will be a Service to Self if you decide to help others. We can be nothing else BUT self-ish as there is only one self to serve, all of us as Source. Anything we do is exactly right for us.

The Shadow People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOiSflrAv4&feature=player_embedded

[Timreh]

What a breath of fresh air reading the last few posts on this thread and recent ones on Houman’s
Good to see some of the friendships that have been forged
There is a beautiful energy about and some great discussion flowing! :happy:

[Chester]

It's not like these entities/energies haven't been around for centuries and mankind has always been faced with the challenge of how to deal with them. There have been many solutions tried by many tribes and groups throughout history. I just listened to a fascinating almost 2 hour Art Bell interview of an elder of the deer tribe, a shaman who explains many of the different entities and what some of them are doing. Many of them are parasites and in this interview they are called the "shadow people".

On another thread, someone thought this shaman, called Thunder Strikes, sounded like Drake. He does sound a bit like Drake but he's not Drake. He has EXTENSIVE knowledge passed down to him from as early as the 12th century via the deer tribe and also speaks as a Nagual in the Don Juan tradition. He talks about many entities that people are seeing and interacting with and there are some very interesting callers throughout the interview who describe different entities they've seen. The shadow people sound like maybe lesser archonic energies, although still very powerful.

Basically the solution it sounds like he's recommending, other than getting help from a shaman in severe cases, is that one must learn to control their own emotions and energies. These parasitical entities feed on high emotion. If we learn control of our emotions and energies we will not be attracting them to us as we will no longer be producing their "food". This solution can only be accomplished on an individual basis. We can help others by offering knowledge and information. We don't know WHY anyone's life is the way it is, even if they are a starving child in a war torn country. It is my preferred belief (though I'm always open to and enjoy being wrong!) that we choose the experiences in each temporary "life" that will either teach us the most or entertain us the most.

It may sound horrible to think that a life filled with violence, pain and suffering could possibly be "entertainment", but when you are aware of or in higher dimensions you may feel, as I do, that this is all one big cosmic joke. Everything is funny and perfect to me when I'm in a dimension higher than the lower astral. Even there it's all fun and games, including the good versus evil game, but a little bit higher and it's all PERFECT and also amusing in a totally loving and compassionate way.

We aren't going to change this dimension and its inhabitants to some illusory ideal we have in our head. As long as duality exists there will be conflict, strife and suffering. That's what duality is all about, the opposites. As long as we, as Source, are playing the Creation game, there will be some of us who suffer and some of us who are happy and content. We all get the chance to be all beings and play all games, good and evil, victim and victimizer. We also get to play at being a Saint upon occasion! LOL... That's not one of my favorite games but I do greatly admire the occasional saint I run across.

You will know if it's your mission in this lifetime to help others, here and in other dimensions, and it will be a Service to Self if you decide to help others. We can be nothing else BUT self-ish as there is only one self to serve, all of us as Source. Anything we do is exactly right for us.

The Shadow People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOiSflrAv4&feature=player_embedded

To NancyV - you know how I love you and how I am grateful to you for when you (along with Fred Steeves and Bill Ryan) pushed me out of my Drake weirdness several months back. And we have exchanged some wonderful PMs and you have helped me there greatly. But, never have I read a post from you that has hit the mark within me like this last one of yours I quoted above. Powerful and for me... so, so so right on and true.

What a place this Avalon is... wow. - justone

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Jusroneman


I have read parts of this thread including your intro.

I agree people are more fasinated with argument rather than solution. I much prefer talking solutions.

So can i suggest a few things.

We need to simplify threats to the point they are almost one liners. Get to the nuts and bolts of what happens.

You mention you have had dealings with entities before. Have you summerised how you dealth with them? Point summary of techniques that were successful?

Do you have a rolling summary of this thread as a study supliment? Something people can read in a few mins and get up to speed?

If this hasnt been done already, its a good place to start. If it has can someone point me to this info?

Thanks

N
N

[Chester]

Removed from the Horus-Ra thread and placed where I should have originally made my post, here in the solutions exploration thread.



Hi Wyn... do note in Finefeather's post, he did not discount the possibility of abductions as expressed in the example you gave above in post #2051 -


I am not denying the dark side of mi lab and other occurrences, I am giving another point of view.

Finefeather is on the team, Wyn.

Also, I am very interested in your comments regarding my idea in post #2049.

@DoT - I am also very interested in your thoughts as well on post #2049.

I am trying very, very hard to come up with a first step solution that could, if proven successful, expand to a greater solution.

Note: Observer, the idea I put forth on post #2049 is based within the realm of our physical reality and does not require anything more then the desire of the target individual to seek relief and voluntarily enter the program.

Justone,

You requested my thoughts on your post #2049.

First of all, I cannot comment on milab abductions since I've never had any experiences in such abductions.

Now, about the kind of abductions and contacts I have experienced i can pretty much say what I've always said: THEY'RE REAL!!!

When someone tells me that these things emanate from my mind, it is no different than a person going to a doctor and being told that their problems are all in their head, as if the illness is always imagined, just because the doctors fail to diagnose the illness, then it must be imagined, because obviously, doctors know everything that can possibly ail a human being!

The notion that these experiences are nothing but maladies anchored in one's soul is insulting! It invalidates my reality! It is not my soul's maladies that are causing my experiences. Quite the opposite. It is these very experiences that are causing my soul to be ill.

I know I probably sound angry, but I'm not at all angry. I'm just trying to assertively state my case while commenting on your post.

While I know that many of my experiences in this life are a dramatization of other experiences from other lives, this does not negate that what has happened to me is much more than past life memories. I know the difference between what is a memory of the far past and what has happened in the here and now.

Was it my mind's projections that caused me, as a child, to get up in the middle of the night to look at the stars? And when I'd return to bed, thinking only a few minutes had passed, nearly two hours had gone. I would usually wake up around 1 a.m. and return to my bed around 3 a.m.

And when in the morning I would wake up unable to breathe because of the blood dried up in my nostrils, was that caused by a malady in my soul? The first few times this happened, my mother was utterly shocked and alarmed. Eventually she became used to it, none the less concerned. She would wash my nostrils and then the profuse bleeding would start and last up to one hour and sometimes more. I'd make it to school. Sometimes the nosebleeds would start again in school and I'd have to go to the washroom to throw cold water on my nose until the bleeding eventually stopped again. "Just nosebleeds" the doctor would say. I never quite understood why those nosebleeds would happen after I'd been outside to look at the stars in the middle of the night. Nevertheless, I could not stop myself from going outside because i felt totally compelled.

Were the huge bruises on my body also a malady of my soul? My father used to say I probably fell out of bed in my sleep and never realized it. I've always been a light sleeper and i would have remembered falling out of bed. I fell out of bed only once and I clearly remember it. No bruises resulted from that fall.

But when, one morning I woke up with a blood red bruise the entire length of the inside of my left arm, as if a giant leach had been placed there, my usually uncaring father became very concerned. Our family doctor who had an explanation for everything was totally stumped by that one.

These things begin to happen when I was 10 years old. We lived in a tropical area. When I was around 12 and still going through the above described phenomena, daily sighting of UFOs were reported in that area. Some took photographs. But they were all debunked. Only those who saw them believed it. No one else did. The witnesses of the UFOs appearances did not have an easy time of it as everyone said they were just seeking attention with their wild imaginations. The media totally debunked everything. Yet there were those who insisted on seeing these apparitions on a nightly basis and were trying to warn others of what this might mean. No one paid attention to them.

Of course, back then I would never have imagined that those UFO sightings might have had anything to do with my experiences. The thought of seeing a UFO was utterly frightening. But I do remember seeing some very large, shining, moving stars in the sky when I went out for my nightly wanderings.

Is it any wonder that people don't want to share their experiences with the public out there when even some of the most intelligent, aware, well meaning, big hearted, highly spiritual, understanding beings as the ones on this community insist that these things are emanating from one's mind?

Don't misunderstand me here, for I really do appreciate everyone's input and I respect everyone for their knowledge and advice for I know they clearly mean well and want to help. Their willingness to help those like myself to free themselves of these experiences touches and moves me and I always welcome their advice and kindness and I'm grateful for all of it because it stems from loving, caring hearts, but it still invalidates my reality. And I'll try to not say anymore on this matter because I've expounded enough on these issues in other posts. I will add that I clearly understand that if something as these preposterous sounding incidents has not happened to a person, it makes it very difficult to believe. I don't know if I'd believe any of it if it hadn't happened to me.

And what has happened to me is nothing compared to what happens to the love forsaken victims who are abducted by Satanic cults and never return. That is truly abominable and unthinkable. But I do know those things happen too. What can be done about it? Justone, if only I knew! I only wish that those who survived it would come forth and tell the their tales because for every person who will not believe them, there will be a person who does. ET abductions, demonic attacks, Satanic cults, milabs, mind control, etc., etc,. etc., do they not all fall under the same umbrella?

About the video surveillance you suggest, I don't think that would help any since many of these beings are non biological and are or can make themselves invisible so they would not be caught on camera. And if you move and squirm in your sleep, it would all be explained as you having a nightmare.

About finding a solution to this dilemma, well, we can ponder about it but it is true that the solution has not yet been found. Having said that, I believe that every problem has a solution and just because we haven't found it yet it doesn't mean that the solution does not exist. Even if we do live in a matrix, as I am painfully aware of the malevolence in this matrix, I am also gratefully aware that benevolence can and does penetrate and work through it. We all know there are those who are totally unaffected by any of this and live wonderfully happy and serene lives. And I will never give up on the notion that one day soon my life will also be peaceful and serene. And it's not as if my life is all bad. I do realize I'm in a much better position than most people on this planet. I've experienced much joy and I've accomplished many things and I still find much beauty in this world. This is such a beautiful planet, and it's such a shame that it has been infiltrated by those who do not deserve to be here. Of couse, they might feel that I don't deserve to live here, but I don't hurt anyone. They do!

One more thing, hasn't it been written by ancient civilizations that beings (gods) descended from the skies and demanded to be worshipped? Were all those people who wrote such things suffering from maladies of the soul?

These are my thoughts on your post #2049. I know I have not addressed everything. If you have specific questions you'd like me to answer, please do ask, and at the risk of boring the readers of this thread, I will answer.

With love to you and everyone.

DoT

Hi DoT - Thank You for the response. I can see that the essence of what I proposed did not seem to get through to the degree I had hoped and this is quite revealing in this way and, please, do not take this at all the wrong way. What I am about to state is meant from Chester's heart and in only seeking comprehensive solution.

It appears (and this supports one of my theories about the malady) that the target being (which can be called a victim though I strongly recommend that only the specific target being be allowed to make that claim) often tries to perform a mind exercise which allows them to eliminate themselves from being able to achieve actual relief. Along those lines let me point out where I saw this coming into play.

I chose the experience of an abductee as one of the many manifestations of the archontic problem. I then, with wynderer in mind as she told me she was a milab (and she inspired me the most to write what I wrote in post #2049 though you were right there next to her) so I went to the level of stating that specific type of abduction within the wider group of "alien" abduction phenomena.

What I find odd is that it seems in this above quoted post, you are disqualifying yourself from possibly benefiting from the proposed program in my post because you believe you are not a milab (which certainly may be true). Remove my mention of the term milab and replace that with the term "abductee" - meaning a human being who experiences repeated "abductions" perpetrated by non-human, non physical (though they may shift into physicality) beings against your known will." If you did that, could you then become a bona fide candidate? Note: the only difference is that the so called "military" is also involved.

Now, if, "Yes," is the answer to the above question, let's look at the other points you made that attempted to disqualify you from being a possible candidate.

Nowhere in the program that I proposed was there any "telling you that these things emanate from your mind." At the very beginning of my post I actually, specifically state that the point of view of the target being is to be honored. If that target being believes what is happening is happening to them in their 3D, physical world experience, then it is! Regardless of even requiring evidence! No one has a place to say it is not. Please, re-read my post and, please, do not draw conclusions based on anything you might consider I may have insinuated. My post intended zero insinuation (and why it was so long and why this one will be - for clarification). Understand, it is the reader that makes these assumptions when it really someone like you (and me for that matter) must simply decide if we are a bona fide candidate and if so, that we simply must take that first step to enter the program.

The program starts at the very most important place. That the target being enter into the safest possible facility with the safest possible staffing we can come up with on earth at this time. No one can deny that there can be no better starting point. Still, it is a fact which you pointed out that even with all of these precautions, "they" can still get in and do harm which is one of your points we possibly may not be able to overcome. But how will we know if we do not try? And try to our very best?

Should we automatically accept we are 100% screwed and it is only a matter of time before the permanent lock down? If that is the case, why are we even wasting any time here? So we can all cry together while the last unbreakable chains are being placed on all our body parts, our mind, our emotions, and perhaps even our souls?

I don't conclude this as some appear to do (though I am assuming that and could very well be wrong).

Again, at least Chester has not yet reached that conclusion though I may be a minority of one.

So to address your specific comment regarding "video surveillance" you failed to mention that I also included that at least two staff members be with you at all times "unless you asked to be alone" which you do not have to do. It would be your decision to run that risk (which would lovingly and gently be discouraged until you showed signs in there likely being no more risk), otherwise you would always have two or more people with you at all times.

I also mentioned that every type of detection instrumentation available under current technology would be used to monitor your situation beyond simple video and audio. Do not discount that component I introduced.

Another area you covered. If you just consider all the above with regards to first and foremost protecting you in every possible way, there is nothing within the above stated dynamic that suggest your malady is simply within your own mind and/or a malady suffered at the level of your soul. It is my opinion, but only my opinion (though it is shared for example by Dr, Malanga) that the malady actually infects every single component of the human being, and thus all components of the human being should be considered in regards with the opportunity of permanent relief and my proposed approach starts with the physical body of any bona fide candidate Spirit being.

In addition, my approach simply allows that the abductee first reach a stage (if possible) where they believe (a very key word - believe) they are now physically safe. It is then and only then that the abductee would be able to explore the possibility that their malady extends beyond just their 3D, physical body experience, beyond their mental realm experience and beyond the emotional trauma experience.

And how they do that would be entirely up to them. Note I stated very clearly "This should be 100% the choice of the milab." So insert the word, abductee for milab.

"For example, one might seek relief through the Malanga method and begin (or continue) a religious tradition practice such as Christianity. Or if they have already been on a religious pathway seek to further strengthen their own, personal connection to God. For someone who may have no belief in any "god" they may still choose all sorts of methods where they may find relief."

Note, there is nothing exclusionary in my approach (unlike other posters who suggest one must adopt their narrow view as to the nature of the problem and who also have made no effort to present any solution other than to agree 100% with their narrow views).

Let's break it down simply.

A candidate desires relief from their ongoing abduction experiences and they voluntarily enter the facility (program).

The facility is created such that there can be no physically, emotionally and mentally safer place on earth based on our current best amongst humanity (human resources) and the best available technology.

To emphasize - That the staffing within the facility are chosen based on the best ability humanity has to select staff members who are nothing more than the highest quality human beings.

To emphasize - That all types of technological monitoring be used based on the latest and greatest technology including but not limited to video and audio surveillance.

That if and when the candidate has stabilized (and it would be the candidate's decision when this point is reached), the candidate enters into the various available additional programs that would utilize techniques such as those of Steeve Richards or Dr, Malanga or Eve Lorgen or L.Ron Hubbard or any other technique which is known to exist which could allow the candidate further relief.

That the candidate could practice any spiritual tradition they may so chose.

That the candidate may chose not to practice any spiritual tradition.

That in time the candidate, when they are ready, could begin journeys outside the facility and yet be accompanied at all times by two or more trusted staff members.

That eventually the candidate could chose to be alone and have the right to allow or not technological monitoring.

Now what I proposed is, in my opinion, the safest possible approach available to mankind today within the capabilities of our technology and human resource pool. It starts at the 3D physical level where everything that can possibly be done to bring first and foremost safety to the target being. It then allows the candidate to explore on their own additional reinforcing solutions towards permanent relief.

We have to start somewhere. What I put forth is possible. It would require vast funding in our lovely world of today but no one can say this is not possible. It provides the greatest potential for permanent relief for a single, bona fide candidate that we could possibly come up with based on all we have to work with today (technology/human resources). It gives us a chance to see that if just one facility like this was created and just one candidate took that first step, then perhaps we would achieve a success as well as learn more about how we can achieve further successes which would lead to more and more successes and the 100th monkey gets closer and closer.

My approach was to create the safest possible opportunity a candidate could enter into that could eventually lead to permanent relief.

Surely by now I have presented as clearly as possible an actual approach to the specific problem of abductions (which includes the sub group we call milabs).

Now for one of the favorite things that some love to throw out.

I have promised I would put forth a complete plan that could lead to full and permanent solution. So now I will define what I would call solution as simply as possible for Chester.

Currently the masses of humanity perceive themselves to be caught in a web of evil. Not all of us, but clearly the vast majority of us.

One day, we may be able to state that humanity as a whole was able to achieve a turn of the tables such that no longer was the average human being caught within this web. Instead, humanity as a whole was able to turn the tables on this dynamic, take charge of the situation, understand the situation and have found one or more pathways that led to solution at the individual level. And that humanity was able to experience a generation (perhaps) where a rapid, one by one transformation occurred such that a clear and evident collective transformation actually took place.

One day we might look back upon this shift as nothing different than when agriculture was introduced or when writing was introduced.

It is possible and because it is possible I am not going to stop my own personal exploration as to how this could occur, how it could occur in the most raid fashion and how this could occur as a permanence.

Now for the last point - " ET abductions, demonic attacks, Satanic cults, milabs, mind control, etc., etc,. etc., do they not all fall under the same umbrella?"

I have made a first draft proposal that targets one of these areas almost all of us here agree is under this "umbrella" I refer to as the "complete archontic structure." I have stated that I will indeed be coming forth with connected solution proposals for each and every one of the components of this entire structure. It would be nice if we could at least reach some sort of consensus on at least one of these. We have to start somewhere, yes?

Now to address your very last comment - and please, do not take this as any sort of attack.

"These are my thoughts on your post #2049. I know I have not addressed everything. If you have specific questions you'd like me to answer, please do ask, and at the risk of boring the readers of this thread, I will answer."

If you consider exploration of a real and possible permanent solution to the entire archontic problem as "boring" then that to me suggests a red flag that solution is probably not important enough to you. I may be wrong, but I can see no greater problem existing in the experience of humanity than the "archontic" problem.

My motivation is that the world I leave will one day be handed to my step-daughter and my three sons. As a parent, I feel it is my responsibility to my children that I do everything within my capacity to see that they are given the best chance to have a safe, enjoyable and productive world. That is the purpose in my exploration of a comprehensive solution which could possibly lead to a truly, positively transformed physical realm experience for those who come after me.

All the Best!!
Love to All
Chester (justoneman)

[Chester]

If you want relief from the monster – first you must stop feeding it.

[Chester]

You aren't your own worst enemy, you are your only enemy.

[Chester]

Which of the following is most right?

a.) All points of view

b.) Some points of view

c.) One particular point of view

d.) All of the above

e.) None of the above

f.) None of the choices listed above

The answer (to just this one goofball) is.... whatever each individual decides is true for that individual and they have the right to change their mind anytime

[donk]

I like NN's suggestion.

It seemed like the Horus-ra came to a head, and ff summed up the various specific issues fairly well.

I'm with justone, dealing with demon/parasitic entities--not so much personally, like him, I seem to be able to know myself enough to "handle my business" so to speak. But I don't live in a vacuum, and other people's demons, baggage and problems enter my life...thus me creating me more for myself.

So I'll give you a run down of my scenario:

-My gf is freaked out/programmed about "paranormal" that I know NOTHING of her experiences before I become invested in the relationship.
-As she gets to know me, and I get more comfortable with myself...she slowly starts opening up about her experiences.
-I start connecting, that when she gets drunk, she is sometimes COMPLETELY not herself.
-She tells a story where she don't know what happened, but she woke up naked on the floor. Her oldest daughter told her the same thing happened to her.
-She tells me she sees dead people everywhere, they are just like people, different degrees of good/bad or whatever, and is starting to fear her sensitivity and deny it less and less
-She identifies 3 "entities" co-habitating in the house with us, describing them like she does your standard "dead people/ghosts". But also stumbles into some sort of interdimensional portal in the front yard, and indentified a separate, fear-inducing "shadow man" that stays in the yard and garage--she believes he can't get in house (I think she is delusional about that, I feel I dealt with him in there)
-I start researching more, and putting more and more of energy and will and intent into identifying the problem, from an angle where it must be:
1. My girl is compeltely batsh!t crazy, it is all in her head
2. I am completely batsh!t, it is all in my head
3. we feed each others' batsh!t craziness, and make each others' heads more effed up
4. V's demons are real and personal, from traumatic life events...they are thought forms of her creation that she can "defeat" if only she truly learns "know thyself" and removal of attachments
5. they are my demons, see #4, and replace V with me
6. it is a combination of 4 & 5...but still personal demons
7. she is an abductee, and the demonic stuff is an illusion the "aliens/EDs" created or a reality that they are able to manipulate
8. she is abductee, and there is demonic/parasitic entities in the space we moved into, completely seperate/independent of one another
9. she is milab, with none or all or a combination of the above, but definitely has some sort of programming beyond what the typical ecuadorean and/or american gets (she lived in ecuador from birth to 15yo)
I feel that this covers a majority of the possibilities...at least up until that point (maybe 2 months ago) and I still hold
-So we talk about it more and more in the house, have three minor, but increasing each time, episodes where she "faints" when we talk about abduction, and her memory of our conversation is erased
-somewhere in this mix, we talk about the year lease coming up in October, and how it would prob be good idea to get outa dodge, as we are both convinced that whatever is causing the problems is at LEAST strengthened by this geographical location, if it does not actually LIVE there, which it seems to but we won't discount they would follow us.
-talking about moving causes "paranormal activity" to ramp up for her, and she directly asks "if you don't want me to move, give me a sign". She is answered by a slamming a door, and getting shoved in closet (and another slamming door. She then makes deal: "if you make it affordable, we will stay"
-The fourth time, we talk more spiritually (angels/demons)--when she awakes (clueless about our convo) she ends up so dizzy for weeks, we visit the emergency room, go to the Ear, nose throat doc that prescribes MRI
-Within 3-4 weeks she is compensating for whatever is going on with her inner ear, triggered directly by our convo, and can get around, but still feeling the effects
-5th episode of her falling, this time though, the mysterious un-natural mechanism that made the way she fell protect herself from busting her head or hurting herself, I watch her become possessed. I had suspected it before, but I was afraid of bias or reinforcing some delusion. It was without question, someone/something else talking to me...after a night (2-3 hours) of various episodes of various persona surfacing within her, the last one attempts to physically attack me and her. It is made clear through her by this entity (or entities) that they do not want me learning about them...they want to hurt me for trying to rid my girl of them.
-About a week a later, a sensitive friend, who had earlier confirmed that there was intense energy external to me and my girl in and around our home, comes over and we talk abou this, particularly the "shadow man", which he has seen. Apparently the dude (which I cannot see, or even sense,) starts talking to him, and so I have conversation (yell at it) through him. At one point, after i told it, "show yourself, hurt me instead of my family, I just want to help you, tell me WHY you want to hurt others--does it make you feel "good", is there something you need?" That is when my friend said it tried to attack me, and jumped into him instead. It was crazy experience, where he mentioned he thinks it "wants to be released". I don't know how, but I managed to get it to release us from whatever it was doing. This was last weekend
-This week, the landlord agreed to drop rent $200. "Affordable" is relative, I guess...technically, we HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE...so it was already AFFORDABLE. as long as the price didn't go up, technically they are "holding up their end of the deal". donk is NOT comfortable with girl making these types of deals, and wonders WTF she end up agreeing to.
-I have left it alone this week, and picked the wrong week "to quit sniffing glue" (Airplane joke--really I quit cigarettes, which has unleashed a horrible demon within me, UGH!!)

So that's where I am at. Through my reading, information gathering, conversations with people and convos on this site, i have found all kinds of pieces to the puzzle. I'm excited to see what happens next. I need strength to not let the nicotine demon control me, but it seems to be getting better by the hour.

I am sure of one thing, i want to hold up "our" end of the deal (not move out) until I find out the consequences. This means living in a space where there are 3 ghosts that she trusts and protects (and beleives are protecing us) and some sort of demon shadow person that I have personally battled with twice at least and possessed two people to do it. There is also the abduction phenomenon, she has had:
-the "snake bite" double puncture marks I've heard Karla Turner among others mention, about a dozen sets on various parts of her body, all at once, one time in the last 6 months.
-various unexplainable bruises, including one mark I believe to be the "scoop" mark different abductees mention
-visions of weird little machines floating around over her bed in that waking/sleeping state, and zipping out through the wall when discovered, as discribed by KT & our own indigostar among others
-prophetic dreams, sleeplessness, fear of sleep, lost time, and other symptoms described over and over in the abduction lit.

So that's my problem. Any solutions? It seemed the more i researched the abduction phenomenon, the more supernatural/ghostly/"spiritual" stuff increased....my instinct that whatever ET/EDs are using/taking/feeding off my girl, are using the demon/angel angle to hide. They are p!ssed I'm bringing them to the light. And i really don't wanna f**k anything up worse than it already is, so if anything else...I am askign for tips on what NOT TO DO, things that will make sh!t worse...I am pretty comfortable on the path I am taking, and don't feel like I have imposed my will too much so far...but I have been careful, maybe too careful, and want to take more assertive action--I just don't have a great understanding of what I'm dealing with so any advise is appreciated.

[Chester]

Hello Jusroneman


I have read parts of this thread including your intro.

I agree people are more fasinated with argument rather than solution. I much prefer talking solutions.

So can i suggest a few things.

We need to simplify threats to the point they are almost one liners. Get to the nuts and bolts of what happens.

You mention you have had dealings with entities before. Have you summerised how you dealth with them? Point summary of techniques that were successful?

Do you have a rolling summary of this thread as a study supliment? Something people can read in a few mins and get up to speed?

If this hasnt been done already, its a good place to start. If it has can someone point me to this info?

Thanks

N
N

Hi - apologies but two things - I have written several hundred pages of posts so the only way you could follow my own journey is to go back in my post history and go from there. And worse, I write technical documents for developers and thus am a detail oriented writer.

I think I would just make a project of reading as much as you can of Houman's Horus-Ra thread because within that thread is a great deal of helpful information and by dozens of fantastic contributors.

My only hope was to take all I have gathered from the entire archontic mess, seek a set of solutions that would be voluntarily sought for by someone who felt they were caught in the grips of any element within the entire archontic structure (no matter what role they might have played) such that one by one, folks might obtain relief and that one by one more and more who have achieved relief could assist others who have reached out for assistance.

The "archontic structure" spans across a great deal of humanity which also effects the animal kingdom and plant kingdom, etc., spans to include non-human 3D physical beings, spans beyond just the 3rd dimension amongst many non 3D oriented ET / ED / alien races all goes the way to a being some know as the "demiurge."

In addition, realms which some Spirit Beings have reacquired access experience little to no influence from the archontic structure and some folks who have been able to anchor their soul from much higher dimensions and who have allowed the highest of their Higher Self to take charge (as opposed to their lower self - the egoic based self) have discovered the point of view that the archontic structure in its entirety is nothing more than an illusion and/or "making" of and from ourselves such that some have transcended the effects of this structure entirely.

My approach is to honor all views, not argue as to whose view is correct. My approach is to create a pathway to solution that would have the capacity to fit within a single individual's set of possible solutions such that that person could take their all important first step. In time, that person might find shifts in their point of view such that they might understand what was previously unable to be understood, which is these alternate views that consider the archontic structure nothing more than a bad dream of our own making.

I don't take a stand on any point of view. When I watch horrors on TV or hear about horrors via websites like this, or witness horrors while on my way home in the taxi cab I get caught up in "the realness" of the archontic influence. Yet when I step aside and remain stepped aside such that my Higher Self guides my daily life, I kid you not, what I used to consider miraculous, becomes quite commonplace and this allowance begins to become a habit and well, frankly... at least from my own experience, I cannot imagine what the heck ever got into me in the first place such that I ever thought it was a good idea to play the archontic game.

Can't make it short. Can't make it one liners. Fred can though and so I suggest Fred answers your post. Anyways, thanks for stopping by. I still have the other components within the vast archontic delusion to address and have just a week left to do it before I move on.

Take Care
justoneman

[nomadguy]

I may have posted this somewhere before, however John Trudell brings up many important points and tips for how to deal with this situation us human beings find ourselves in,
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I agree with his sentiment here,
Our minds have been trained >to think- believing is thinking.
We were born into it.

This gets us stuck and It makes us susceptible to the victim identity mindset.
This mindset is controllable, it enables our puppet masters to take a human being and turn that into a
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Thinking coherently, expressing creativity and observing without preconception breaks us free and enables US to see truth.

[Chester]

Hello Jusroneman


I have read parts of this thread including your intro.

I agree people are more fasinated with argument rather than solution. I much prefer talking solutions.

So can i suggest a few things.

We need to simplify threats to the point they are almost one liners. Get to the nuts and bolts of what happens.

You mention you have had dealings with entities before. Have you summerised how you dealth with them? Point summary of techniques that were successful?

Do you have a rolling summary of this thread as a study supliment? Something people can read in a few mins and get up to speed?

If this hasnt been done already, its a good place to start. If it has can someone point me to this info?

Thanks

N
N


Hi again, I always do better in the morning (and after a few cups of coffee)!

What I realized was that it all boiled down to my ego. Then I realized how my arrogance was an additional layer of security for this ego. My arrogance told me that my 3D physical world was some special world handed to me by "the REAL god.” And this "REAL one and only "god"" favored "us" (whoever that group is, perhaps substitute "victims") over other Spirit Beings and yet somehow an “evil being" (so evil it was the king of abject evil) was able to intervene between us and "god" such that I might be cut off from “god, my creator.”

What an intelligent trap. One layer upon another layer upon another layer and so it goes.

There is absolutely zero any more special about anyone (any Spirit Being) who is anchored in 3D than anyone else who is not. Fortunately, there was something I came upon that is more intelligent than intelligence.

That was (and is) love.

Love from others was the secret ingredient which, along with only one secret ingredient of my own, allowed me to crack open this multi-layered eggshell.

That one secret ingredient I possessed was (and always will be) willingness.

Love Chester

[Chester]

"What you put in you get out" - Finefeather

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Jusroneman


I have read parts of this thread including your intro.

I agree people are more fasinated with argument rather than solution. I much prefer talking solutions.

So can i suggest a few things.

We need to simplify threats to the point they are almost one liners. Get to the nuts and bolts of what happens.

You mention you have had dealings with entities before. Have you summerised how you dealth with them? Point summary of techniques that were successful?

Do you have a rolling summary of this thread as a study supliment? Something people can read in a few mins and get up to speed?

If this hasnt been done already, its a good place to start. If it has can someone point me to this info?

Thanks

N
N


Hi again, I always do better in the morning (and after a few cups of coffee)!

What I realized was that it all boiled down to my ego. Then i realized how my arrogance was an additional layer of security for this ego. My arrogance told me that my 3D physical world was some special world handed to me by "the REAL god.” And this "REAL one and only "god"" favored "us" (whoever that group is, perhaps substitute "victims") over other Spirit Beings and yet somehow an “evil being" (so evil it was the king of abject evil) was able to intervene between us and "god" such that I might be cut off from “god, my creator.”

What an intelligent trap. One layer upon another layer upon another layer and so it goes.

There is absolutely zero any more special about anyone (any Spirit Being) who is anchored in 3D than anyone else who is not. Fortunately, there was something I came upon that is more intelligent than intelligence.

That was (and is) love.

Love from others was the secret ingredient which, along with only one secret ingredient of my own, allowed me to crack open this multi-layered eggshell.

That one secret ingredient I possessed was (and always will be) willingness.

Love Chester

And how, in a practical sense, did you impliment love? In receiving and in giving? :-)

Thank you, i sense you have travelled far.

Sorry to barge in like this but i wnt to support a thread that offers Solutions. It is important, while we are still allowed to communicate freely we need to consolidate solutions.

If i can give an example. Breaking down machinations of experiences should be like reading a manual. A practical step by step to achieve something.

I have more to add to this but am tired. I will check in the morrow :-)


N
N

[Chester]

Hello Jusroneman


I have read parts of this thread including your intro.

I agree people are more fasinated with argument rather than solution. I much prefer talking solutions.

So can i suggest a few things.

We need to simplify threats to the point they are almost one liners. Get to the nuts and bolts of what happens.

You mention you have had dealings with entities before. Have you summerised how you dealth with them? Point summary of techniques that were successful?

Do you have a rolling summary of this thread as a study supliment? Something people can read in a few mins and get up to speed?

If this hasnt been done already, its a good place to start. If it has can someone point me to this info?

Thanks

N
N


Hi again, I always do better in the morning (and after a few cups of coffee)!

What I realized was that it all boiled down to my ego. Then i realized how my arrogance was an additional layer of security for this ego. My arrogance told me that my 3D physical world was some special world handed to me by "the REAL god.” And this "REAL one and only "god"" favored "us" (whoever that group is, perhaps substitute "victims") over other Spirit Beings and yet somehow an “evil being" (so evil it was the king of abject evil) was able to intervene between us and "god" such that I might be cut off from “god, my creator.”

What an intelligent trap. One layer upon another layer upon another layer and so it goes.

There is absolutely zero any more special about anyone (any Spirit Being) who is anchored in 3D than anyone else who is not. Fortunately, there was something I came upon that is more intelligent than intelligence.

That was (and is) love.

Love from others was the secret ingredient which, along with only one secret ingredient of my own, allowed me to crack open this multi-layered eggshell.

That one secret ingredient I possessed was (and always will be) willingness.

Love Chester

And how, in a practical sense, did you impliment love? In receiving and in giving? :-)

Thank you, i sense you have travelled far.

Sorry to barge in like this but i wnt to support a thread that offers Solutions. It is important, while we are still allowed to communicate freely we need to consolidate solutions.

If i can give an example. Breaking down machinations of experiences should be like reading a manual. A practical step by step to achieve something.

I have more to add to this but am tired. I will check in the morrow :-)


N
N

In simplest terms, I did not implant love. What happened was that my egoic self got sick and tired of being sick and tired and thus finally acquiesced, which means, stepped aside. When it did, that patient yet brilliant light of my Higher Self was allowed to shine through. Now that I have accomplished this in a single moment, I spent some days discovering I can also take back control. Meaning my egoic self can always take over at any time. Then I discovered I was far happier when my egoic self stepped aside. So then I began the discovery of how I can more and more experience life where that egoic self humbly steps aside. The actual how cannot be transmitted in words. At least, I cannot find the words to do so. I can only express that I sense I have found how to so do and can only express I sense I am getting better and better at it.

So now for an attempted one liner -

I did not implant love (or find how love could be implanted), I stepped aside such that love could shine through and by so doing, I discovered love was there (and in fact only there) all along.

Said as short and as simply as I can - Love Chester

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Jusroneman


I have read parts of this thread including your intro.

I agree people are more fasinated with argument rather than solution. I much prefer talking solutions.

So can i suggest a few things.

We need to simplify threats to the point they are almost one liners. Get to the nuts and bolts of what happens.

You mention you have had dealings with entities before. Have you summerised how you dealth with them? Point summary of techniques that were successful?

Do you have a rolling summary of this thread as a study supliment? Something people can read in a few mins and get up to speed?

If this hasnt been done already, its a good place to start. If it has can someone point me to this info?

Thanks

N
N


Hi again, I always do better in the morning (and after a few cups of coffee)!

What I realized was that it all boiled down to my ego. Then i realized how my arrogance was an additional layer of security for this ego. My arrogance told me that my 3D physical world was some special world handed to me by "the REAL god.” And this "REAL one and only "god"" favored "us" (whoever that group is, perhaps substitute "victims") over other Spirit Beings and yet somehow an “evil being" (so evil it was the king of abject evil) was able to intervene between us and "god" such that I might be cut off from “god, my creator.”

What an intelligent trap. One layer upon another layer upon another layer and so it goes.

There is absolutely zero any more special about anyone (any Spirit Being) who is anchored in 3D than anyone else who is not. Fortunately, there was something I came upon that is more intelligent than intelligence.

That was (and is) love.

Love from others was the secret ingredient which, along with only one secret ingredient of my own, allowed me to crack open this multi-layered eggshell.

That one secret ingredient I possessed was (and always will be) willingness.

Love Chester

And how, in a practical sense, did you impliment love? In receiving and in giving? :-)

Thank you, i sense you have travelled far.

Sorry to barge in like this but i wnt to support a thread that offers Solutions. It is important, while we are still allowed to communicate freely we need to consolidate solutions.

If i can give an example. Breaking down machinations of experiences should be like reading a manual. A practical step by step to achieve something.

I have more to add to this but am tired. I will check in the morrow :-)


N
N

In simplest terms, I did not implant love. What happened was that my egoic self got sick and tired of being sick and tired and thus finally acquiesced, which means, stepped aside. When it did, that patient yet brilliant light of my Higher Self was allowed to shine through. Now that I have accomplished this in a single moment, I spent some days discovering I can also take back control. Meaning my egoic self can always take over at any time. Then I discovered I was far happier when my egoic self stepped aside. So then I began the discovery of how I can more and more experience life where that egoic self humbly steps aside. The actual how cannot be transmitted in words. At least, I cannot find the words to do so. I can only express that I sense I have found how to so do and can only express I sense I am getting better and better at it.

So now for an attempted one liner -

I did not implant love (or find how love could be implanted), I stepped aside such that love could shine through and by so doing, I discovered love was there (and in fact only there) all along.

Said as short and as simply as I can - Love Chester


You make me smile Chester. Its always a pleasure to read truth from the heart : )

id like to attempt to reverse engineer the machination of Egoic reactions if i may. Please feel free to make adjustments or refinement. My reason for doing this is simple. If we can map or make learning like a manual , breaking down step by step , things that happen in sequence when Ego arises, then people can easily follow or track the sequence of where in the time line of communication , things go off course. If you can pin point the moment in sequence, you can then be equipped to ponder this moment and make an adjustment internally to your stereotypical responces by recognising " prior " to it happening. This equips you with an easy way to negotiate and make changes without the whole dialogue seeming so hard to tackle.
If we make it a smaller chunk to re assess then its not such a daunting task. Things that are easier to tackle have a propensity to be fixed.

Ok,

Ego , as i understand it, or at least how its stereotypically understood, is a sort of defence mechanism that steps in when one feels

Offended
Pressured
Contradicted
Disobeyed

So in order to understand these reactions we need to reverse engineer the precursor emotives as listed above. Before every reaction is something that preceeds it.... Being offended ... how does one limit this reaction ? Not making assumptions ? Being patient in understanding ? giving lateral movement to progressive thought and reasoning ...

Pressure , Antidote : being calm , not jumping to conclusions , having a healthy self image. Believing you are just in your methods and being content with that.

Contradicted : Being patient , understanding language and communication need to be negotiated with wisdom and respect. Putting your self in the others shoes, this one is quite selfless and most powerful in reconciliative processes.

Disobeyed : Patience , examination , reasoning , synergistical analysis prior to reaction.

I think these give example in a practical method to de construct the reactive lines prior to Ego stepping in. When Richeous Ego stepps in then thats ok i guess, as long as in that reaction we dont try to " Steal Energy " , this is also something we should look at in terms of Whats a Motivator to Egoic Reactions.

Yes Love is key. It is the most powerful driving force in the world/universe as we know it. And when we replace the above with ears and feeling of love , then it softens us and allows negotiation to step in. Making peace , healing wounds, showing someone that you will listen.

Feeling heard is so healing , just listening is healing , hearing with love in your eyes .

Please feel free to add to this , practical lessons for us to be inspired.


: 0 )


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[Chester]

You make me smile Chester. Its always a pleasure to read truth from the heart : )

id like to attempt to reverse engineer the machination of Egoic reactions if i may. Please feel free to make adjustments or refinement. My reason for doing this is simple. If we can map or make learning like a manual , breaking down step by step , things that happen in sequence when Ego arises, then people can easily follow or track the sequence of where in the time line of communication , things go off course. If you can pin point the moment in sequence, you can then be equipped to ponder this moment and make an adjustment internally to your stereotypical responces by recognising " prior " to it happening. This equips you with an easy way to negotiate and make changes without the whole dialogue seeming so hard to tackle.
If we make it a smaller chunk to re assess then its not such a daunting task. Things that are easier to tackle have a propensity to be fixed.

Ok,

Ego , as i understand it, or at least how its stereotypically understood, is a sort of defence mechanism that steps in when one feels

Offended
Pressured
Contradicted
Disobeyed

So in order to understand these reactions we need to reverse engineer the precursor emotives as listed above. Before every reaction is something that preceeds it.... Being offended ... how does one limit this reaction ? Not making assumptions ? Being patient in understanding ? giving lateral movement to progressive thought and reasoning ...

Pressure , Antidote : being calm , not jumping to conclusions , having a healthy self image. Believing you are just in your methods and being content with that.

Contradicted : Being patient , understanding language and communication need to be negotiated with wisdom and respect. Putting your self in the others shoes, this one is quite selfless and most powerful in reconciliative processes.

Disobeyed : Patience , examination , reasoning , synergistical analysis prior to reaction.

I think these give example in a practical method to de construct the reactive lines prior to Ego stepping in. When Richeous Ego stepps in then thats ok i guess, as long as in that reaction we dont try to " Steal Energy " , this is also something we should look at in terms of Whats a Motivator to Egoic Reactions.

Yes Love is key. It is the most powerful driving force in the world/universe as we know it. And when we replace the above with ears and feeling of love , then it softens us and allows negotiation to step in. Making peace , healing wounds, showing someone that you will listen.

Feeling heard is so healing , just listening is healing , hearing with love in your eyes .

Please feel free to add to this , practical lessons for us to be inspired.


: 0 )


N
N

There’s a great book by a guy named Don Miguel Ruiz called The Four Agreements. I got a hold of that book in the summer of 2001. I read the book and my life totally blew up as I attempted to apply these four agreements. What went wrong? I fell into the idiot trap in believing that if should live by this set of guidelines then everyone else should also. I barely survived myself (10 more years of drug/alcohol addiction, pathological lying - mostly lying to myself, and eventually two bona fide suicide attempts). Yet somehow I couldn’t even succeed in destroying my physical body. After two more months of total despair, I started interacting on the Avalon forum where I found a ray of hope. Then I came upon Houman’s Horus-Ra thread on April 26th (the date I officially took back my soul… I call it “resurrection”). Then just recently, September 8th, I officially crossed over never to return… I call it “ascension.”

What’s the point of all the above? I had the simple answers in my hand over 11 years ago but could not receive the light and for the life of me, I really don’t know why. I am left with - I was simply not ready for it yet. I had too much table setting left to do. BUT! When the few key dots started to connect and I did so via the amazing folks I connected with on Avalon I actually began to “hear” the message and suddenly it all came whooshing together.

You asked a question and started to answer it all on your own – you started with the word, “Offended.” The funny thing is that is precisely one of the recommended 4 agreements – “Don’t take anything personally.” Then just a few lines later you state, “Not making assumptions?” That happens to be Don Miguel’s first agreement and the one he states is most important!

All I am pointing out is – you have the answers within you! Maybe you can save yourself the 11 years of hell I insisted on experiencing! I am impressed!

And then you state, “Love is the key.” I agree, YES. Bammo – it actually is!

Where have you been? Who is teaching who? I just learned from you!

Amazing how this all works.

justoneman

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I was recommended to read Ruiz before but i inveribly resist reading similar material.

One thing i have always been a great believer in is to generate original material. Now wether i said it today or someone said it 2000 years ago dosent matter, what matters is the regurgitation of obvious or poignant information re constituted over and over again till syncronicities re form it into a sequence or language that, when you are READY , hit you in just the way you like it! Thenit moves you! You have your conniption and the tangent then takes a better direction.

I enjoy reverse engineering knowledge. I learn from me, or them, then someone confirms its a good thing and it empowers the information.

I still to this day havent read Ruiz but he sounds pretty cool to me :-)

N
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[Chester]

Beware – MONSTER POST!

Hi all – I recently received a PM which I decided was best to respond to publicly. I have used my best discretion with regards to protecting the source as well as any specific text this Avalonion has written to me.

Dear Avalon Friends, I know wynderer has unsubscribed. I researched her last several posts (knowing it is possible one or more posts were deleted) and saw a trend where she made a comment aimed at “female mods” that may have been part of the reason and then made two posts which put Bill on the spot and that may have also contributed to her banning.

In addition, I am aware based on several of her posts, that wynderer has been dealing with a significant problem regarding alcohol consumption. I have a great deal of personal experience with alcohol and drugs and thus I can state from experience that anyone who is dealing with any form of archontic influence and is also involved with alcohol and/or drugs only increases the damage of these influences and does so significantly. Yet, I am of the view that anyone who may have an issue with alcohol and/or drugs is the only one who can come to the conclusion they must stop. I judge no one who uses drugs and/or alcohol though I am of the opinion they stand a far less chance of achieving relief from archontic influences if they continue to use these types of substances. It is also my opinion that if a person truly wants relief, they would go to any lengths to obtain that relief which would include becoming physically alcohol and drug free and that it might be critically important to remain so. Again, I have discovered this is true for myself and have no clue if my truth would be true for anyone else suffering in any way from archontic influence.

You stated – (paraphrased to honor the PM rule) “You found the Horus-Ra thread just last April, whereas Observer has been studying the subject of the archons for perhaps 40 years).

What you are unaware of is that as of the age of 6 years old (I am now 55), I have been under direct influence of some other worldly being. As of age 19 I began in earnest my own investigation of all the matters relating to the archons. I endured personal battles with one or more entities that I consider to be under the archontic umbrella dozens of times. In one battle I lost the sight of my left eye (July, 1986) when I was age 28. I have literally called the police on myself more than once. I have spent almost two years of my life cumulatively in psychiatric facilities because of specific archontic attacks. It is my opinion I know the archons rather well but never found it important to validate this with others and for the reasons I will soon divulge further below.

At around age 37 or so, (and having been entirely alcohol and drug free) I began my own personal in depth investigation of the archons. Besides obtaining a copy of the Nag Hammadi translations, I have read dozens of books by the most respected writers and researchers concerning Gnosticism. I have received personal attention, instruction and inspiration from modern day, very alive and well Gnostics. I can put you in touch with a few if you so desire to become involved in Gnosticism.

The entire point of Gnosticism (the actual goal) is that a human being who is anchored in materiality can achieve the state of “gnosis” where they now have the choice, as a Spirit Being, to return or not to the material realms. This is the goal of Gnosticism. Again, it is to achieve what is known by Gnostics as gnosis. I have achieved this state and have no qualms about stating this. It is a fact I know that is true for myself. In achieving gnosis, one achieves a state where they don’t have to prove it to anyone else. I know several Gnostics who have achieved gnosis and they will tell you the same thing. You can believe them or not or you can achieve gnosis yourself and then you’ll know what we are talking about for yourself.

Now, I am not in the position to judge anyone else, but I am in position to suggest the odds of possibility. Based on everything I have read from Observer, he/she has not achieved gnosis. One can spend an entire lifetime (indeed lifetimes) and still not achieve gnosis. It is all up to each individual and done only in their own time.

This is all my subjective story, yes, because nothing beyond the physical realm can be proven in the form Observer requires. This is why Observer has so far behaved through his writings as one of the most exceptional prison guards. He/she has been relentless in his/her position and staunchly excludes from the greater set of possibility of all else which those like me have directly experienced which has proven at the personal level to be quite real and quite transformative. Observer eliminates any and all possibility which cannot be “proven” externally and/or through the physical realm (perhaps the densest of the vast material realms) and ignores anything and everything that can be experienced “internally” by each and every one of us – the internal experience which results in a freeing of the soul from the grips of the archontic structure and allows an individual Spirit Being the opportunity to choose by their own will if they desire to return or not to these lower realms where most perceive the material realm experience to be undesirable (stated because there are material realms which do not produce the degree of difficult most perceive this 3D experience to present).

In fact, Observer eliminates the possibility that there be any true “god” because God cannot be proven within the criteria Observer accepts in regards to the support of truth with the exception of his (and others who share his view) own narrow interpretation of translated ancient texts found in the Nag Hammadi and perhaps a few other sources of ancient writings. I am glad the “god” of Observer’s possibility set is not the God I know, but that is just me.

The being known as the “demiurge” most certainly appreciates an “observer” that bars the gates in this manner and fortunately a few of us have learned how we can circumvent (or wiggle through) these gates for ourselves.

When those like an “observer” (note: as opposed to an “experiencer” which is the name I would have chosen as my avatar if I had found this forum today) are able to present their views eloquently, to those like myself who have left that war zone, they come across as youngsters who simply require a bit more life experience knowing that one day their “True Self” will break through their well protected lower self (the egoic self) and when that day happens for the individual Spirit Being, all will become clear. Those like myself who have achieved gnosis patiently await the rest of Us.

The “god” you have mentioned - the demented God of this physical dimension may possibly be here as part of the human experience which allows a Spirit Being to more fully anchor their soul in the available upper dimensions that exist beyond this being’s “playground.” I found for myself, I simply needed to desire to leave the playground and was willing to make the effort to achieve my goal. I believe anyone can do this but I cannot guarantee if this is true. I would suggest to anyone who is dissatisfied with this dense material realm they consider taking on the inner work required such that they may leave. That’s the best I can do for anyone unless they then, in earnest, ask me how I was able to achieve this goal for myself. It would be at that point I would be open to sharing how I did it such that you may find your own way to do so and do so more rapidly than if you remain alone in your process. Again, it is all and only up to the individual (but what do I know)?

It is my opinion that no one is being punished against their will. We all make the choice at some level of our total Being to allow ourselves to be fooled for these experiences some choose to characterize as punishment. Once you have achieved gnosis (which I see also as “ascension”) one has discovered their True Self which is a multi-dimensional Being. One can be “in this world and not of it.” Something I am sure you have heard before.

I make the following suggestions. Consider one of my techniques which was (and is) taking 100% responsibility for everything in your current life (and if you are open, then include any past Spirit experiences which can include pat lives) and then continue to accept 100% full personal responsibility for every single thing in your life. That one works pretty darn well for me.

Another suggestion is to consider (and this is meant primarily metaphorically) that you are a perfect child of creation, immortal and eternal. Consider that in this current physically based experience that when you make any “mistake,” you make the mistake perfectly. In speaking for myself, I make all my mistakes perfectly. In fact, it is my opinion you cannot make any mistake more perfectly than the ones I make, but again... what do I know?

Now then I would suggest that if you could achieve to a good degree the above two recommendations you take the next step which is to test the truth of the above two possibilities by taking some (what appear to be) risks. It is through taking some risks one can prove to themselves what cannot be proven through the criteria required by observers.

Finally, if you discover that the above two statements are likely true for you and that it is possible they may be true for others, become available to others such that perhaps gnosis could be transferred to others such that as time moves forward, the entire physical realm becomes truly awakened. Who knows (or who really cares) how long that may actually take for all Spirit Beings who incarnate in the phsyical 3D realm achieve this collective gnosis as the fact is, it could occur within an instant. It is only ourselves that prevent this, not some evil demiurge nor the god and/or ourselves that created this “evil” being. But again, this is only my opinion and what do I know anyways?

You mentioned how it takes YEARS (your emphasis) to gather the information to come to all the conclusions your statement elicited. I cannot agree with you that what you state is true for anyone else though perhaps that may be true for you. I can state that based on the view of my physical body, it took me 11 days short of 55 years to achieve full gnosis which I (as stated above) call ascension. Yes, I state that on September 8th, 2012, Samuel Chester Hunter ascended. I actually saved the chat conversation I had with a few Avalonians which were instrumental in my achievement of my ascension – my realization of full blown gnosis. To back up a bit, I first had to ressurect. That date was April 26th, 2012 which is the day I discovered Houman’s Horus-Ra thread.

It is my fullest opinion that if I can accomplish full blown gnosis / ascension, then anyone can. I do not believe anyone can be more stubborn than i have been, but perhaps I will find one day someone who is more stubborn. I certainly wouldn’t bet on it though. Anyways, it is nice to be ascended and suggest others work to find this same state of being (a state they may conclude they have actually been in all along... but I am getting ahead of myself... hahaha).

I am now unable to respond to most of the rest of the PM because the PM because strangely most of what you suggested to me actually happens to be much of what I suggested to you! Yet oddly for you to make those suggestions to me suggests you perceive I do not agree with nor have adopted your suggestions and so it is a bit baffling and thus all I can suggest as a response is, “Who is suggesting to who?” Is it me, is it you, is it who? Odd how this happens once one ascends. Odd how the teacher suddenly realizes they are in fact the perpetual student.

You noted I have not yet arrived at the certainty that this whole dimension is an evil realm and that I am trapped in it. Actually, I went through that and popped out the other side to realize that from one point of view, that statement is correct, but based on personal experience, I found (as stated above) how I can exist within this “evil” dimension and not be of it. Strangely I am no longer effected by evil though I know I am fully capable of once again choosing to allow my lower self (my egoic self) to dominate me which then allows this little bugger to manage me through my emotions. But make sure you also understand, I am still a fully emotional (as well as many other bodies) being. In fact, I am of the opinion this is the very gift a Human Being is given. I am unsure if there are any realms within the vast sea of material realms where emotion can be experienced so incredibly strong, perhaps there is, but I also have discovered how the emotions I prefer to experience are the emotions of the higher vibration frequencies and I have discovered through gnosis how I am able to remain only exposed to these upper frequency emotions. And I am happy to share with you how I achieved this.

I will never ever agree the “human situation” cannot be “solved” but I doubt this can be done unless each and every individual achieves the state of gnosis. For those who choose to believe this is never a possibility, I truly wish you well. At the end of the day, perhaps you may be right. But which point of view provides the individual experiencer a more enjoyable challenge? We both have chosen a pole in this regard and that is the essence of duality. I choose to live. I choose to take risks. I choose to seek any and all possibility which could result in our ability to collectively experience “heaven on earth.” It is more interesting to me having this point of view.

And finally you mentioned that I need to see the big picture in that there is a limitation on the number of things one can do that one has power over (such that the world could transform). I actually see only one thing one has to do. Just one. And that is to achieve gnosis. I invite you to discover this for yourself.

Very Best Regards
justoneman

[Chester]

I was recommended to read Ruiz before but i inveribly resist reading similar material.

One thing i have always been a great believer in is to generate original material. Now wether i said it today or someone said it 2000 years ago dosent matter, what matters is the regurgitation of obvious or poignant information re constituted over and over again till syncronicities re form it into a sequence or language that, when you are READY , hit you in just the way you like it! Thenit moves you! You have your conniption and the tangent then takes a better direction.

I enjoy reverse engineering knowledge. I learn from me, or them, then someone confirms its a good thing and it empowers the information.

I still to this day havent read Ruiz but he sounds pretty cool to me :-)

N
N

I was so stubborn, I had to approach the problem from both ends... the reverse engineering approach coupled with the actual first step of creation. I then spent all but a dozen years trying to prove I was wrong as to the why of creation before I finally cried uncle. And then suddenly all the dots connected and I found myself still alive in my phsyical body and well, the rest is history! (OK only since September 8th, 2012... hahahah). Anyways, being an oddsmaker by trade, I do not recommend any bookmakers put up the proposition that justthisoneman ever chooses to unascend within this current physical lifetime Yes or No. It would be a sure loser to bet YES.

All the Best!
Chester

[Chester]

Today's post is an example of how one who has achieved solution and relief from the archontic influences experiences life post solution. Enjoy!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49850-An-example-of-a-D-i-r-e-c-t-experience&p=554228#post554228

With Love, Chester

[Chester]

I dare anyone to read and consider this -

http://www.humanpotentialunlimited.com/Summary-content.html

The Four Agreements

don Miguel Ruiz

Be Impeccable with Your Word

Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

Impeccable means “without sin” and a sin is something you do or believe that goes against yourself. It means not speaking against yourself, to yourself or to others. It means not rejecting yourself. To be impeccable means to take responsibility for yourself, to not participate in “the blame game.”

Regarding the word, the rules of “action-reaction” apply. What you put out energetically will return to you. Proper use of the word creates proper use of energy, putting out love and gratitude perpetuates the same in the universe. The converse is also true.

Impeccability starts at home. Be impeccable with yourself and that will reflect in your life and your relationships with others. This agreement can help change thousands of other agreements, especially ones that create fear instead of love.



Don't Take Anything Personally

Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.

We take things personally when we agree with what others have said. If we didn't agree, the things that others say would not affect us emotionally. If we did not care about what others think about us, their words or behavior could not affect us.

Even if someone yells at you, gossips about you, harms you or yours, it still is not about you! Their actions and words are based on what they believe in their personal dream.

Our personal “Book of Law” and belief system makes us feel safe. When people have beliefs that are different from our own, we get scared, defend ourselves, and impose our point of view on others. If someone gets angry with us it is because our belief system is challenging their belief system and they get scared. They need to defend their point of view. Why become angry, create conflict, and expend energy arguing when you are aware of this?

 
Don't Make Assumptions

Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

When we make assumptions it is because we believe we know what others are thinking and feeling. We believe we know their point of view, their dream. We forget that our beliefs are just our point of view based on our belief system and personal experiences and have nothing to do with what others think and feel.

We make the assumption that everybody judges us, abuses us, victimizes us, and blames us the way we do ourselves. As a result we reject ourselves before others have the chance to reject us. When we think this way, it becomes difficult to be ourselves in the world.

Take action and be clear to others about what you want or do not want; do not gossip and make assumptions about things others tell you. Respect other points of view and avoid arguing just to be right. Respect yourself and be honest with yourself. Stop expecting the people around you to know what is in your head.


Always Do Your Best

Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

Doing your best means enjoying the action without expecting a reward. The pleasure comes from doing what you like in life and having fun, not from how much you get paid. Enjoy the path traveled and the destination will take care of itself.

Living in the moment and releasing the past helps us to do the best we can in the moment. It allows us to be fully alive right now, enjoying what is present, not worrying about the past or the future.

Have patience with yourself. Take action. Practice forgiveness. If you do your best always, transformation will happen as a matter of course.

[Chester]

I am so happy - today is my last day on the job and tonight, at midnight I officially retire. What I am retiring from is the role I have played this life and perhaps many - the role of "a savior."

As an example of one of us who has found solution and had the guts to post about it, please, check out this awesome OP and thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49882-So-Your-Awakening-has-cost-you-some-friends.

One by one, as each of us leave the game, the game will dissolve and one day may vanish from memory completely.

Love
Chester

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I am honoured to have worked with you Chester :-) you are a good man.

May your sails be full always and the seas kind.

Adeu

Naniu

[Hervé]

Yo!

Chester man!!

Happy birthday!!!

[Chester]

Yo!

Chester man!!

Happy birthday!!!

Thank You, Amzer Zo - here is a gift for you (I think I finally got this one... a big one you tried to get across to me, but I wasn't then able yet to hear)

Epigenetics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

discussed with your very point well made and well presented in this video (thanks to Finefeather recommending this to us in the Horus-Ra thread)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBg2gJONaJs&feature=relmfu

Love to you, Amzer Zo (and All)
Chester

[Hervé]

Thanks and well done!

Glad you did understand it!

Enjoy your new life!

[modwiz]

Epigenetics? Now you're talking............to your DNA. It's listening too.

[Chester]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritable

"heritability can change without any genetic change occurring (e.g. when the environment starts contributing to more variation)"

Its funny - the minute I hit Costa Rica (August 5th) I began a spurt or rapid personal change... the environment clearly played a major role.

Now go back to my days just prior to exiting those horrific depression days - what changed in my life? I jumped headfirst into Avalon. I spent hours here every day for weeks - again, my environment did what my genetics (at least based on what I was told by relatives) could never allow. In fact, many of my closest relatives became scared of me, just because I changed so rapidly... they think I went mad... hahahah And the funny thing is, I actually gained a great deal of sanity for the first time in my life. Goofy world here huh?