We'll Never Lose Control

[Fred Steeves]

Perhaps that could be the mantra of the elite we so love to despise, and also the way it's meant to be...

I am going to assume that there is a certain order to Creation, that could never possibly be disturbed. If this is indeed the case, then what's going on right here in our little sector of this galaxy, must also be operating according to this order. It can be no other way.

So where does that leave us then, in the midst of this monumental struggle? Well, if we incorporate the ancient Hermetic axiom: "As above so below, as below so above", maybe we can find some clues.

As Below:
I will liken our depraved and torturous rulers to a company commander in Navy Seals BUDS Training. Regardless of what kind of husband or father he is, when he goes to work, a huge part of his job is to make doubly sure, that ONLY those who want to be a SEAL, more than they even want to live, will make it through the program. Only those who have proven they have what it takes, will ever wear the SEAL insignia. It's nothing personal.

As Above:
Now suppose certain beings up and decide that they too want to be not just gods, but Creator Gods. Big responsibility, and a job that would certainly require the resume from hell to aquire. Literally. What better credentials than one who has literally gone through hell, done it all both "good" and "bad", and made it out the other side with Spirit intact?

I think I would want my best and most trusted man, for the job of insuring excellence in quality of the exercise. Every participant would play the "good, the bad, and the ugly", for as long as it took them to come to a deep and unshakable understanding of what being a Creator God is really about. A "been there, done that" situation.

When the annual graduation day came around, I would be seated side by side with my trusted friend. The same one who put these souls through hell and back for eons, until they were either broken and quit the program, or finally made it through "Hell Week" to prove they were ready.

As I presented each graduate with their diploma, and an assigned sector of the universe to go and begin their own "Great Work", I would give a nod to my dear friend seated next to me, and say proudly to the newest Creator God before me: "You made it through Him? That's good enough for me. Congratulations, job well done!"


O.K., now before I start hearing that I need to pluck my head out of my own ass and such, I'm not saying this is the way it is. But then again it could be. I just don't know. The whole point is to exercise our imagination and perception, into areas that even in the alternative community can be seen as blasphemous, ridiculous, or what have you.

I think one of the most dangerous points for a being, is to think the "awakening" process is complete, and that they now have a firm grip on "reality". It may just take eons more to come to the realization that this was the point where they promptly fell right back to sleep, all nice and snug in their "knowing"...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/wink.gif

Cheers All, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif
Fred

[PurpleLama]

This might be closer than most would like to think, my friend. I have adopted the phrase, Universe is as Universe does, to remind myself to take things as they come, for so seldom are things as they appear. What you present, here, speaks to your internal balance, and as you do, so your reality shall follow suit. The more we may treat the good and bad experience with the same balanced stance, the closer we come to gaining that recognition from on high, that job well done here lets get on to the really fun stuff. :cheers:

[RUSirius]

Fred, very glad to read this, I have now adopted the attitude of what if "I" "WE" have it all wrong, there is a possiblity of this to varying degrees.
Jeff

edit: I just wanted to add, that I personally have never had more of this "not having any idea" feeling before in my entire life. Information seems to have lost its firey effect on me, my "now" approach and just living day to day is all I can do.

[markpierre]

Dear dear dear Fred,

Jesus reportedly said something kind of interesting to the authorities. I have to paraphrase again: 'You have no power except that which has been given to you by the Father.'
Which I suppose could imply that Source is a monster and encourages sociopaths and mayhem.
But i think it's something more like Source knows what it's doing, and we should know that. Or we get the opportunity to find it out.

So you're saying we've invested in this drama willingly? Including an ultimate confrontation with fear? I'm afraid I have to agree.
It does sound crazy though.

[PurpleLama]

I think somewhere, outside of Creation, is a Porch with a Grill, and on that porch God and the Devil are drinking beer and just watching this whole thing unfold, and Jesus is manning the Grill, a just reward for some of the sh!t that went down some two thousand years ago, as we reckon.

[Carmody]

IMO and IME, one of the more important things to deal with is that there is, even in science, no such thing as a fact. fact is a human invention that revolves around the idea of the body feeling secure as it launches itself into the great unknown. A fact is a mother, a rock, a branch to cling to, within the expression of the body, for it does not know anything, all it knows is what it is designed to do. which is to, as far as I can understand..designed to keep the occupant safe, like an autopilot..until that dimensional being driving it..learns to stand up and take control of the vehicle proper.

This is rightly a difficult thing to do...as the the body, when controlled and directed by an excellent 'physicality integrator', can do some things that would seem extremely potent..to an uninformed and unaware 'body occupant'.

Once again, that control is designed, from the ground up, to be difficult to reach and difficult to find, regarding some ways that the occupant might search for, as controls and as methodologies. This is due to the dangers involved in some paths of 'self recognition'.

Some paths lead down harrowing and circular arguments, for a reason. That way is ultimately closed, as it leads to a dead end which is contrary to the reasons that a person or being would incarnate, in the first place.

We could go on for hours and days here, on this. Suffice it to say, if one opens the self, they find no end to the cascading run of new answers to new unfoldings. That there is no permanence but growth as an unfolding cycle or act - in motion. Growth is designed to be difficult so that many views can be and are found and examined before a step is taken that is a fruitful step in a way that is beneficial to the given self..but importantly..beneficial the group and beneficial to fellow travelers.

In the end, everybody knows what the truth is and everyone knows some form of a path to get there, a path that is as individual as they are.

mEQldSi-heE

I will illustrate.

Yesterday, in the literal sense, I spoke with a younger man, about age 24 or so. he's into guns, games, etc,as all younger male body occupants can find themselves being. This is a product of societal reflection and also their upbringing.

The conversation was about the oddities and that this reality of knowing actually is in everyone's life, somewhere....if they look for it.

This is true, he thought.

He related a tale where his grandfather spoke to his young granddaughter, who was about 2.5-3 years old. She had been communicating with her deceased grandmother, apparently. (some kids will be talking with many people and even talking about (and to you) possibly of 1-2-3, or even 4 or 5 of their past lives. All you have to do is listen, or even..ask)

The grandfather, he said.. asked the young girl a question that ONLY the grandmother would know the answer to, as it was a deep and private conversation between the grandmother and grandfather, from earlier in their lives together.

The young girl answered the question correctly.

Essentially....everybody knows.

[PurpleLama]

Yep, when you get to the Door, above it is inscribed Abandon Belief All Ye Who Enter Here.

[Peace of Mind]

As for me, I stay in control…

I live out my life in complete harmony, my environment is pleasurable, the energies within and outside my field are enjoyable to say the least. I’m creating my world everyday in every way through the power of intent. My only heart wrenching experiences are through the internet and observations of others. I choose to sacrifice a bit of my sanity and delve into this darkness just to provide support for those seeking it, this is a way I sure my love. I don’t have to at all, but I do because I was once a person in need of it, and the guidance that comes along with it. This was done for me many years ago and I feel compel to do the same as well. If one person is helped... then I’ve done enough.

What does happen to sadden me is witnessing so much suffering/ lack of faith in self, impatience, procrastinators, finger pointers, excuse makers, and quitters. There’s way too much disempowerment and many don’t seem to mind being this way. They are afraid to stand up because they’re too comfy lying down…after being knocked down. Life is what you make it, but too many seem content with having others make it for them. There is no strife in my life because I don’t choose it, think about it, fuel it, support it. If I turned off the net, tv, radio my life would be way too beautiful. But life is empty if you’re the only one (or one of the very few) living this way. So I make attempts daily braving through the wickedness to assist those seeking the assistance…. Then later returning to my paradise regardless if my deeds/words helped anyone else. I will be fine and I don’t have to accept negativity to notice the positivity. I’m truly blessed.

Peace

[Fred Steeves]

Fred, very glad to read this, I have now adopted the attitude of what if "I" "WE" have it all wrong, there is a possiblity of this to varying degrees.
Jeff

edit: I just wanted to add, that I personally have never had more of this "not having any idea" feeling before in my entire life. Information seems to have lost its firey effect on me, my "now" approach and just living day to day is all I can do.

Hey there Jeff, funny you should say that. Several months ago, I started to get this feeling of "forget everything you (think) you know". Now if one were Narada, this thread might just make a whole lot of sense.

“When Narada came to Vishnu and said, “What is the secret of your Maya (illusion of separateness)?” Vishnu took him and threw him into a pool. And the moment he fell under the pool he was born as a princess in a very great family, and went through all the experiences of childhood and being a little girl, finally married to a prince from another kingdom and she went to live with him in his kingdom.

And they were in tremendous prosperity, and palaces and peacocks and all that sort of thing, then suddenly there was a war, and their kingdom was attacked and utterly destroyed, and the prince himself was killed in battle. And so he was cremated, and she, as a dutiful wife, was about to throw herself, weeping, on the funeral pyre and burn herself, an act of sadhi or self-sacrifice, when suddenly, Narada woke to find himself being pulled out of the pool by his hair.

And Vishnu said, “For whom were you weeping?”



When finally comes the point then, where one is tired not only of being the conquering army, but the bereaved wife committing Sadhi?

Cheers,
Fred

[RUSirius]

Fred, very glad to read this, I have now adopted the attitude of what if "I" "WE" have it all wrong, there is a possiblity of this to varying degrees.
Jeff

edit: I just wanted to add, that I personally have never had more of this "not having any idea" feeling before in my entire life. Information seems to have lost its firey effect on me, my "now" approach and just living day to day is all I can do.

Hey there Jeff, funny you should say that. Several months ago, I started to get this feeling of "forget everything you (think) you know". Now if one were Narada, this thread might just make a whole lot of sense.

“When Narada came to Vishnu and said, “What is the secret of your Maya (illusion of separateness)?” Vishnu took him and threw him into a pool. And the moment he fell under the pool he was born as a princess in a very great family, and went through all the experiences of childhood and being a little girl, finally married to a prince from another kingdom and she went to live with him in his kingdom.

And they were in tremendous prosperity, and palaces and peacocks and all that sort of thing, then suddenly there was a war, and their kingdom was attacked and utterly destroyed, and the prince himself was killed in battle. And so he was cremated, and she, as a dutiful wife, was about to throw herself, weeping, on the funeral pyre and burn herself, an act of sadhi or self-sacrifice, when suddenly, Narada woke to find himself being pulled out of the pool by his hair.

And Vishnu said, “For whom were you weeping?”



When finally comes the point then, where one is tired not only of being the conquering army, but the bereaved wife committing Sadhi?

Cheers,
Fred

Thanks Fred, "Tired" is definitely the right word, just wanting to "be" and enjoy.

[wynderer]

Power to the People! [picture many upraised fists & much courage & determination]

[Fred Steeves]

Power to the People! [picture many upraised fists & much courage & determination]

Hi Wyn, please don't tell me you mean like this...


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[GoodETxSG]

Oh, they will loose if we come together and get past our differences and fight them on our terms... There are a lot of Groups/Movements joining with mine and we are working on demonstrations, email campaigns, and other peaceful resistance events organized with groups that you would not believe would be in the same room together... re-posting the below details, sorry if you have read it before:


The people have finally started to come together.
The 99% VS the 1% - A battle to be fought and won with truth and unity!
Now is the time to join forces with those you would not normally consider. This worldwide political and financial corruption is all starting to leak out to the main stream media... finally. We just need to KEEP THE HEAT on them. We will soon be posting new petitions and email campaign info as well as protest dates and locations. Now that we have more people willing to work together we can use resources from the Tea Party, Occupy and other groups and movements. THEY win as long as they can keep us arguing with each other. Their “Divide and Conquer” tactics have worked for long enough and have now come to an end.
Those not totally on board yet need to come together with people we wouldn't normally work with to bring these criminals DOWN! Others have carried the load of exposing this activity for some time. Now we the people NEED to come out and make it a major issue on the streets, in the news and in this political cycle.
Every day we receive more and more disclosure of Financial Corruption by our Banking Institutions and Politicians of mainly the G8 Nations. The U.S., U.K. and E.U. have been manipulating the financial system in their favor to create Trillions of dollars on computer screens and stealing tons of Gold from other nations since at least 1911. The Federal Reserve Bank and their international clones have plundered the world for quite long enough. The recently revealed LOBOR evidence and other scandals needs to be covered in depth by the Main Stream Media (Much of which is owned by the criminal Cabals).

We plan to start a huge Email writing, Fax sending and Peaceful Protesting campaign aimed at the MSM, Bank’s and local Representatives to get them to get them to bring these “Self proclaimed Elite’s” to justice. When the entire scope of the manipulation, wars and murder of so many innocents is disclosed arrest and imprisonment will be the least of the “Elite’s” concerns. They have made billions of people slaves to debt manifested out of thin air. We toil, suffer and die in debt to them and unwittingly worship and grovel at their feet. They have suppressed technology that conflicts with their business model for decades. Many of these technologies could have increase the quality of life and save lives of the people YOU love who have died of disease. This is not a conspiracy theory or a science fiction dream, it is a shameful fact.

Join now, with us to pressure the Media and our “Representatives” to set us free from the financial tyranny that we have been subjects to for generations. Become a member of this movement, there is room for everyone. Once we realize that the Left Wing and Right Wing are what gives flight to the same BEAST it is time to rise up and slay the beast. The ideology of Liberal and Conservative thinking is important to our individual morality and beliefs. However the “Elite” use these differences to cause us to forget what we have in common. They use our differences to keep us at odds with each other and diverted from their corruption. Why deceive us “ignorant and useless eaters”? Because we outnumber them 99 to 1 and they are afraid of OUR power.

So, now put aside your political or religious differences and band together to expose this corruption and usher our world into a new era. We do not need a “New World Order” ran by self proclaimed rulers. They have no “divine right” to rule. They only have the power we give them. Let’s take that power back and create an “Era of Prosperity for ALL”! It is possible!

Say NO to any more WAR that is used to divert our attention from corruption when it starts to leak. We can join together and form a world of peace. I refuse to believe we cannot live together with our differences without butchering one another. What do we have in common? LOVE! We love our families, our friends, our religion, our planet and we love peace. Reach out an olive branch from your group to other movements that you normally would not associate with. The enemy of our enemy is our friend. This is NOT a place for political debate or bickering. It is a place to come together and break these chains.
JOIN US, this is YOUR cause too: www.facebook.com/BankAndPoliticianFinancialCorruption
Former Employee of several too big to fail Banks as well as the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas

[lightwalker]

If you read George Kavassalis' book Our Universal Journey you would find some similar views. He does take it a whole lot further though and presents a viewpoint that in my opinion covers so much in 150 pages. He goes in depth into the Being that created this universe, the levels down to a compressed version of this whole Universe (which is this planet and us)and who we are in the game of it all. He says this Universe is the experience of Light and Dark and it is only one of infinite number of universes. It goes on and on, never ends. His belief is that we are at the end of our journey exploring all aspects of Light, which also means all aspects of Dark. He gives a great explanation of the Dark Hats so to speak and how they went from warring and conquering to a more gentle passive/aggressive manner to control humanity. He talks about how AI is part of it in that everything we do now depends on Artificial Intelligence and every thing we do is monitored......even this reply I am typing !

He writes about the pineal gland being a biological implant and the chakras are a "set-up". He writes about the moon and Saturn and how we are controlled thru our chakras.....I am amazed at his knowledge. He does not go into his personal experiences, just shares what he has learned for himself. He writes simply, uses diagram and pictures and covers it all in 150 pages. He delves into the masculine and feminine....The Sun and Mother Earth. What a gift he has given of himself.....for surely he will be ridiculed with some of the stuff he has come out with.

Anyway I wrote a review in another thread somewhere on this forum.

lightwalker

[Fred Steeves]

Oh, they will loose if we come together and get past our differences and fight them on our terms... There are a lot of Groups/Movements joining with mine and we are working on demonstrations, email campaigns, and other peaceful resistance events organized with groups that you would not believe would be in the same room together... re-posting the below details, sorry if you have read it before:


Corey, this thread is concerned with everything BUT fighting and resisting, atleast in the way most folks understand it. You know really, when we get right down to brass tacks, it's more like "f**k it, here we go..."

I take you as a guy who likes straight talk. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

[wynderer]

not my personal image --you could substitute David Icke's image of the Lion of Humanity standing tall & proud & roaring

edit to add: meant to say that i see that my original post was off-topic

re being buddies w/the darkside -- every one i know who has seriously messed around w/it, finds out that sooner or later it turns & bites you on the a**





Power to the People! [picture many upraised fists & much courage & determination]

Hi Wyn, please don't tell me you mean like this...


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[RUSirius]

Oh, they will loose if we come together and get past our differences and fight them on our terms... There are a lot of Groups/Movements joining with mine and we are working on demonstrations, email campaigns, and other peaceful resistance events organized with groups that you would not believe would be in the same room together... re-posting the below details, sorry if you have read it before:


Corey, this thread is concerned with everything BUT fighting and resisting, atleast in the way most folks understand it. You know really, when we get right down to brass tacks, it's more like "f**k it, here we go..."

I take you as a guy who likes straight talk. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

The F%^k it thing is really the bottom line, coming together obviously needs to happen in order to get there. I believe coming together is possible, but at least where I live now, it is not yet on the radar. People where i am are totally aware of corruption by the "big boys" (actually small boys), but at the end of the day they all revert back to saying "oh its these people" or "those People", not "us" allowing this to happen to "us". Uniting can happen, I am just not seeing it "yet"

[jackovesk]

Perhaps that could be the mantra of the elite we so love to despise, and also the way it's meant to be...

I am going to assume that there is a certain order to Creation, that could never possibly be disturbed. If this is indeed the case, then what's going on right here in our little sector of this galaxy, must also be operating according to this order. It can be no other way.

So where does that leave us then, in the midst of this monumental struggle? Well, if we incorporate the ancient Hermetic axiom: "As above so below, as below so above", maybe we can find some clues.

As Below:
I will liken our depraved and torturous rulers to a company commander in Navy Seals BUDS Training. Regardless of what kind of husband or father he is, when he goes to work, a huge part of his job is to make doubly sure, that ONLY those who want to be a SEAL, more than they even want to live, will make it through the program. Only those who have proven they have what it takes, will ever wear the SEAL insignia. It's nothing personal.

As Above:
Now suppose certain beings up and decide that they too want to be not just gods, but Creator Gods. Big responsibility, and a job that would certainly require the resume from hell to aquire. Literally. What better credentials than one who has literally gone through hell, done it all both "good" and "bad", and made it out the other side with Spirit intact?

I think I would want my best and most trusted man, for the job of insuring excellence in quality of the exercise. Every participant would play the "good, the bad, and the ugly", for as long as it took them to come to a deep and unshakable understanding of what being a Creator God is really about. A "been there, done that" situation.

When the annual graduation day came around, I would be seated side by side with my trusted friend. The same one who put these souls through hell and back for eons, until they were either broken and quit the program, or finally made it through "Hell Week" to prove they were ready.

As I presented each graduate with their diploma, and an assigned sector of the universe to go and begin their own "Great Work", I would give a nod to my dear friend seated next to me, and say proudly to the newest Creator God before me: "You made it through Him? That's good enough for me. Congratulations, job well done!"


O.K., now before I start hearing that I need to pluck my head out of my own ass and such, I'm not saying this is the way it is. But then again it could be. I just don't know. The whole point is to exercise our imagination and perception, into areas that even in the alternative community can be seen as blasphemous, ridiculous, or what have you.

I think one of the most dangerous points for a being, is to think the "awakening" process is complete, and that they now have a firm grip on "reality". It may just take eons more to come to the realization that this was the point where they promptly fell right back to sleep, all nice and snug in their "knowing"...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/wink.gif

Cheers All, http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif
Fred

Great Stuff there Fred,

Your 'Spidy-Sense' is right on 'Target'...:yes4:

This Documentary actually overviews alot of what you were saying in the OP 'above'...

To the rest of the suppressed 'Creator Gods' out there searching for the 'Hidden Truth', I guarantee you after spending the time to watch this Doco, will go along way to opening your 'EyE's to your 'True-Destiny' along with 'Uncovering' those 'Hidden Secrets' that have been kept from you for Centuries...

Full length feature of Age of Deceit: Fallen Angels and the New World Order.


A biblical look at the history of fallen angels and it's relationship to the New World Order and the new age movement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS8QB3YtFDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS8QB3YtFDo

Enjoy :tea:

[wynderer]

it is very easy for me to envision a plane of existence in whch 'life lessons' & 'karmic lessons' are learned w/o pain & suffering -- & this is w/o that other lie your controllers have foisted upon you, that this 3D Earth life is some sort of kindergarten level of a school run by a headmaster out of Pink Floyd's 'The Wall'

y'all just got co-opted & stuck here

[ghostrider]

one really can't learn anything until you admit you don't know anything. Hard to fill a cup that is already full. It's my first day of school everyday.

[Fred Steeves]

re being buddies w/the darkside -- every one i know who has seriously messed around w/it, finds out that sooner or later it turns & bites you on the a**



Hi Wyn, I know that's the standard way to view the light and the dark, and what you say is absolutely true on a certain level. But I just can't do that any more. Every personal experience I've had thus far, leads me to PerpleLama's cookout on the porch with God and the Devil drinking beer together, and making sure Jesus doesn't burn the burgers again.

If we deny our dark side, we deny half of our being. The universe is in perfect working order, as it always has, and always will be. It's funny, people just love to invoke the harmony of the Yin Yang symbol, and rightfully so, it's perfect. But the questions begs, "why just in theory, and not in practical application?" I don't want to live in half a universe any more, been trapped there long enough now. On both "sides".

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[Spiral]

Duality might suck, but its where we are, in the tarot the devil is #15, the number of antagonism, without which there would be little spur to change & grow.

I can't imagine anything so futile as an eternal pastoral idyll

[PurpleLama]

The way out of duality is digging down deep and processing our own suppressed, internal sh!t, and eventually figuring out how to make it taste good. Maybe those burgers on the Grill are some of those new fangled Japanese burgers, you know, the ones made from poo.

[ulli]

not my personal image --you could substitute David Icke's image of the Lion of Humanity standing tall & proud & roaring

edit to add: meant to say that i see that my original post was off-topic

re being buddies w/the darkside -- every one i know who has seriously messed around w/it, finds out that sooner or later it turns & bites you on the a**

]

Agreed. There has to be another way.

But denial of one's dark side creates such pressures within the psyche
that sooner or later that energy jumps out and bites others "on the a**"
Then one blames the other person for having pushed one's buttons.
The art is to never let that internal pressure build up to such a degree that one loses self control.
Such a person can then become freed from bad habits, neurotic behavior, even demonic entity possession.

Creating a sane personality in the self by knowing one's own weak spots
and thus managing those internal engines.
Keeping them fueled (to avoid depression) as well as letting off excess steam (with physical activity, creativity)
to avoid a melt down.