Is there nothing to believe in anymore?

[AMystic3434]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

[Eram]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

Excellent!

[David Trd1]

It seems to me that you have arrived at the core of truth itself and thats to go with-in:)

Peace brother.:)

[Watching from Cyprus]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

Absolutely ... i though do believe i have found my truth.. which is irrelevant to you since we all will find our truth if we search and the puzzle will come together... One thing is fact, and that is the manipulation of the masses by the few, and since we know that as a fact, this is our truth which we must fight with no fear.

Together we stand but divided we fall.

May the force be with you :-)

In Love and Honesty
Peter

[Fred Steeves]

By George, I think he's onto something...As Waky said: "Excellent!"

[Spartacus]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

But your life won't go on without you. So be into it. And love your peace. Then you'll know your truth.

[PurpleLama]

Belief is hazardous to your health, and is a poor, poor substitute for the knowing that comes from going within. When you know, belief is unnecessary.

[markpierre]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

Oh c'mon Mystic, you knew it all the time. The looking is exquisite, just no one could tell us to look deep enough into our own guts, because none of them had.
Well some did, but no one got it from them. 'Life' is a party. So nothing that's going on here as it seems matters much if it does or doesn't continue.
But seriously, absolutely nothing goes on without you.

Most of us will never find peace until we're completely exhausted from looking. I recommend it. It makes it so much nicer when you finally put your feet up.

[RunningDeer]

Within. Comfy. Peaceful. Within opens greater access to the without. Though, I still prefer comfy and peaceful.


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[wynderer]

'Love the Lord thy God w/all thy heart & mind & soul, & thy neighbor as thyself'

'Greater love has no man than this, than to lay down his life for his friends'

edit to add : w/ 'Lord thy God' , i also say in my heart 'The Creator', 'Highest Consciousness' , 'The Light Who Is Love' -- many names, many paths Home

[Jenci]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.


Hi Mystic

While it may seem that searching for truth externally to yourself has been a fruitless endeavour it has brought you great fortune at arriving at this place of understanding you have now reached.



There is only one place to look now and that is within.
This is where the real discovery can begin.
:)
Jeanette

[WhiteFeather]

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” The Buddha

[Timreh]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

Absolutely spot on!
Could not have said it better!

I really don't care what is happening or what is going to happen..
Addl: And I have NO idea???
All I really care about is me..

Finding ways to unplug from this game..
Creating balance and discipline in my thoughts and actions, becoming my own master..

[pyrangello]

Amystic, you actually did find what you are searching for , it was just a journey that took you in a circle only to realize it was there all the time.

God, the angels and saints are all on the same team and are there to help when asked only know you are the true co-creator of yourself and your path , it is a fabulous journey indeed.

[Carmody]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

age 38, 'Pluto square' is in the mix for you, regarding the way the mind works under it's influence. look up the astrology of the 'pluto-square transit'

Regardless, it is a trigger point of deep analysis and transformation. The harbinger of the wave, flow, and position of mind, life, vibrations and energies that allows such thinking and situations to 'be' in your life.

Even Buddha went around the block a 'hunnert times before he finally collapsed in an exhausted heap and realized that it was the illusory bits of 'body view' (avatar filtering) that complicated the matter of his mental reorganization to the more truthful viewpoint and understanding. Each of us will run our given individual course that is required for the given life we have had and person we exist as. We individually head to the same sort of point in self and life,and hopefully we recognize the opportunity and do not back away from it.

After all, the body will always be ready to move toward what it sees as essential for life and motion (even after enlightenment - this part never changes, but it can be sublimated, over time, with careful attention and practice), which is contrary to how it actually is. this, until the occupant of the body steps in and understands that 'reality' is a condition that is a filtered state, filtered by the point of observation of being in a body as a window.

And so on.

Now, if we look at the world and see what kind of stress it is under, on the individual and whole level, you see the conditions being set...........

[Kristin]

It was at the juncture that I emptied myself from all the banter that I found out who I really was. From there I can act in a place of truth based on my own experiences and have found my personal strength and my voice. It springs directly through my personal experiences and not the chatter of external opinions. From this place I have been able to speak from my heart. In speaking my own truth I am more effectual in the world. My relationships have blossomed and old leaves have fallen off my limbs. Truth becomes easily discerned as it springs from within. Thus, I can now look with a clear eye at all the new and old information and have reality based conversations and reality based thoughts. This was the core of my awakening.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Watching from Cyprus]

Amystic, you actually did find what you are searching for , it was just a journey that took you in a circle only to realize it was there all the time.

God, the angels and saints are all on the same team and are there to help when asked only know you are the true co-creator of yourself and your path , it is a fabulous journey indeed.

If you want to be free, then you have to disregard all this God, Angels and Saints , since that i guarantee you is all a bunch of BS.. They want us to worship something or someone .. Dont do that... I am not saying there is no God.. just dont like to call IT that... it is source and in us all.. AND WE ARE DIFFIDENTLY NOT MEANT TO WORSHIP A CREATOR.. RESPECT is a better word, but worship always comes to false idols or God's ... WE ARE PRISONERS .. THAT IS A FACT.. BUT INSIDE OURSELVES WE CAN BE FREE UNTIL WE GET RID OF THE OVERLORDS .

Sorry but i will not be quiet to avoid hurting people who has been born and raised by any bible, since non of the bibles have a loving message.. all fear, and again that is wrong.

I love you all and lets get together and fight this.. we just have to say no and withdraw all possible from the banks.

Wake up I REALLY MEAN WAKE UP FOR "CONSCIOUSNESS" SAKE

[CD7]

HERE! HERE! CHEERS!!! :paintgirl: Pull it out from within! If we were ALL doing this it would be an AMAZING picture. NOT the ones we've allowed to be DUMPED on us. Knowledge is in there as well as peace.....

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Feelings about possible facts are less limiting than beliefs. Beliefs instantly exclude other possibilities that may be true.

I don't feel that a loving Prime Creator, All-That-IS, God, Jesus (whatever label applies) wants anyone to worship him/her. I feel that Being is pleased when we love ourselves and each other, as much as we can.

I do feel that any being that wants to be worshiped, no matter how powerful, is most likely just another imposter, a dysfunctional control freak looking for attention.

And I'll bet that it takes many lifetimes for some to set themselves free from guru dependence.

We need faith in ourselves to create our own reality.

We cannot go very far on facts, but on faith we can go anywhere.

[RUSirius]

I am on the exact same page, it is interesting to me that more and more people are coming to this conclusion now. I recognize that many others on this forum have been "there" for awhile, remember its not just a collective journey, its an individual journey.
Jeff

[Pam]

I have come to much the same conclusion. I have learned to listen to my own intuitive guidance after years of placing its value below that of "common knowledge". This has allowed me a degree of security no matter what transpires in the external world and it will be with me until the end..I am now the observer of the world rather then the hapless victim..thanks pammy

[miqeel]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

That's the one :) thank you very kindly for this post. I think that in everlasting search for the "external" truth, we become so entangled in distractions that we stop seeing the simple fact that (probably) truth lies within. However, with developing discernment, and realizations that "predictions" lead nowhere more often then somewhere, people will just stop, and look within.

And maybe find peace? :eyebrows:

[RunningDeer]

Amystic, you actually did find what you are searching for , it was just a journey that took you in a circle only to realize it was there all the time.

God, the angels and saints are all on the same team and are there to help when asked only know you are the true co-creator of yourself and your path , it is a fabulous journey indeed.

If you want to be free, then you have to disregard all this God, Angels and Saints , since that i guarantee you is all a bunch of BS.. They want us to worship something or someone .. Dont do that... I am not saying there is no God.. just dont like to call IT that... it is source and in us all.. AND WE ARE DIFFIDENTLY NOT MEANT TO WORSHIP A CREATOR.. RESPECT is a better word, but worship always comes to false idols or God's ... WE ARE PRISONERS .. THAT IS A FACT.. BUT INSIDE OURSELVES WE CAN BE FREE UNTIL WE GET RID OF THE OVERLORDS .

Sorry but i will not be quiet to avoid hurting people who has been born and raised by any bible, since non of the bibles have a loving message.. all fear, and again that is wrong.

I love you all and lets get together and fight this.. we just have to say no and withdraw all possible from the banks.

Wake up I REALLY MEAN WAKE UP FOR "CONSCIOUSNESS" SAKE

Those creepy ones are not allowed in the inner sanctum. The Guides that have been with me in youth and beyond have never expected worship. The sorting out is my job, cuz, they/we know I’m the creator in my Universe.

I’ve come to know of the Higher Self because they continued to believe in me even when I didn’t. We’re buds. We’re a team. And seen from a higher perspective, we’re just one great big Light. Those creepy ones are not allowed in the inner sanctum, nor do they have the energy to enter.

[another bob]

As you go within, and if you persevere with determination and sincerity,
you may be surprised to discover that there is nothing there either.


Only the person who gets rid of within and without
escapes from birth and death and ascends to eternity.

Hsu Yun “Empty Cloud” (1839-1959)

[johnf]

A point from which to veiw is the only real truth I have found, and I still find myself ignoring that lesson when a juicy opinion, or belief in some "truth drifts be me. This is an opportunity to allow this to be just a view as well. This is a very nice thread to see after watching and reading about so much contention, violence, etc in the news and other media lately.

[NancyV]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.
I also searched for many years and finally I reached a conclusion. Here is the conclusion I reached:

INCONCLUSION

yes and no
right and wrong
good and evil
weak and strong

these opposites are just a part
of perfection's benign division
we must believe God has a heart
and conceives with great precision

to think that life is merely random
brings shivers to the bravest soul
fear and religions dance in tandem
heaven rewarding, sinlessness the toll

man and woman
young and old
sad and happy
shy and bold

I've worn the masks of life's emotions
searched near and far for truth
tried almost all the magic potions
some up, some down, some just uncouth

traveling inward to mystical lands
caressed and consumed by all
eternity, timelessness, God's loving hands
to return again, the ultimate fall

elevating, enervating
naughty and nice
commanding, groveling
virtue and vice

so here am I, no wiser now
than when I first had flown
unless the truth of why and how
is meant to be unknown

I do not know, my search is stalled
I will not choose, excluding many
I must embrace the none and all
judging not the worth of any

__________________________________

I wrote that many years ago when I was probably at about the point you're at. NOW, of course, I KNOW. (and if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale)

Actually Bob is right, but he's usually right! I would only add that there is nothing there and everything there. That's why I call it the "all and none", although in the poem I had to change it to none and all in order for all to rhyme (sort of) with stalled....all / stalled ??....hmmm. sort of works but it's a stretch. Oh well...I'll call that poetic license!
:chess: :rapture: :angel:

[Spiral]

Belief is belief, its a mental short cut that passes for knowledge but is nothing more than the buttress of the spiritually slothful & fearful

So its fair to say that one belief is no better or worse than any other as non of them are "truth", moving from one to another then equates to the expression; "repeating the same thing & expecting a different outcome is the definition of idiocy"

[another bob]

[QUOTE=AMystic3434;539141]INCONCLUSION

yes and no
right and wrong
good and evil
weak and strong

these opposites are just a part
of perfection's benign division
we must believe God has a heart
and conceives with great precision

to think that life is merely random
brings shivers to the bravest soul
fear and religions dance in tandem
heaven rewarding, sinlessness the toll

man and woman
young and old
sad and happy
shy and bold

I've worn the masks of life's emotions
searched near and far for truth
tried almost all the magic potions
some up, some down, some just uncouth

traveling inward to mystical lands
caressed and consumed by all
eternity, timelessness, God's loving hands
to return again, the ultimate fall

elevating, enervating
naughty and nice
commanding, groveling
virtue and vice

so here am I, no wiser now
than when I first had flown
unless the truth of why and how
is meant to be unknown

I do not know, my search is stalled
I will not choose, excluding many
I must embrace the none and all
judging not the worth of any

__________________________________

I wrote that many years ago when I was probably at about the point you're at. NOW, of course, I KNOW. (and if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale)

Actually Bob is right, but he's usually right! I would only add that there is nothing there and everything there. That's why I call it the "all and none", although in the poem I had to change it to none and all in order for all to rhyme (sort of) with stalled....all / stalled ??....hmmm. sort of works but it's a stretch. Oh well...I'll call that poetic license!
:chess: :rapture: :angel:

So well said, Sister! Yes, all and nothing!

We often hear spiritual authorities recommending that we "go within", assuring us that "the truth is within". However, whatever objects, perceptions, experiences, or identites we may find in such a search, they invariably turn out to be nothing but conditional projections of mind, non-binding and transitory modifications of consciousness.

Moreover, contrary to the popular beliefs and so-called spiritual notions, this mind is not within you. If anything, you are within mind.There is nothing outside of mind. Actually, there is no within/without, no high/low, no near/far, no sacred/profane, no wise/foolish, not even any enduring me/you.

Such concepts are simply mental fabrications we employ to account for and navigate through the unfathomable realm in which we seem to appear, but really, we don't know where we are, except that we are.

Staying with this awareness of being itself, rather than its modifications on the screen of consciousness, will yield the realization of our essential nature. From that recognition, it is clear that nobody goes anywhere.

Who could have imagined -- nothing happens, and yet, paradoxically, within this "nothing", the whole multidimensional multiverse revolves in perfect harmony, permeated by uncondtional love! It is an unspeakable wonder!

[humanalien]

Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.

Your in the same boat as i am. I used to believe damn near
everything i heard or read but after a while, i realized that
almost everything you are being told is a lie.

The only things i believe right now is that aliens do exist and
the american government is very very corrupt.

Just because i believe that aliens exist, doesn't mean that
i believe every thing i hear about them. That is the lie.

[PHARAOH]

Believe nothing, KNOW everything.

You are the question and the answer!


:wizard:

[9eagle9]

People confuse belief and knowing. They haven't reached a level of progress to know the difference between the two. Mostly because the mind is tied trying to find something/someone to believe in.

Yes we've run out of beliefs. They've all been recycled out there and re-labeled.

People are now getting backed into a corner with nothing to believe and hopefully will have no recourse but to begin employing 'knowingness'.

But then again I see people forgetting what they know in favor of another belief.


Ive searched for the truth for many years and Im at the point again where I started. There are so many different points of view and so many people say they know the truth, but Ive realized that no one really knows. They might think they do but I wont buy into it anymore. I guess all I can do is find peace within myself, because life will go on with or without you.