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Fred Steeves
16th August 2012, 15:43
Imagine with me for a moment, that the title of this thread is not a line I lifted from Roger Waters, but instead a name given to the potentially monumental events of a certain time in our history. Imagine that you're now old, well into the sunset of your life, and you have your 5 year old great granddaughter sitting in your lap.

She's going to ask you a question, a question she now often asks as she looks at you with those pretty blue eyes. The question is either:

"Grandpa/grandma, tell me again why it is that we have to live this way".

OR

"Grandpa/grandma, tell me again what it was like when the tigers broke free".

Now imagine that your conscious focus of attention here in the present, is going to determine the coarse of conversations in the future with a certain little girl. When she's looking up at you with those pretty blue eyes, which question is she going to ask, and what story are you going to tell her?

sdv
16th August 2012, 16:02
Always appreciate your pearls of wisdom Fred. What we do with them is up to us!

christian
16th August 2012, 20:40
Right now I'd say "We don't have to live this way" and then I'd do a war grawl to show them how it is when the tigers break free! Standing up, shouting and raising my fists!!! Showing them how passion looks like!

When I imagine seeing my own child or grandchild one day and being asked:

"What did you do in times of great challenge? What did you do to unlock minds?" Because it's really asking: "What did you do to create a situation where I can live freely?" How could I let this innocent child down? And the time is now, now is when I do or do not let it down, not only after it has been born.

And of course it's my responsibility to do something about it! I feel a fire in my gut, I have to do something. I want new souls to come and live freely. When I invite them here, I have to make them a home first and take care of them before they are born, as toddlers and as kids and make sure they can live as free adults without some tyrannical institutions sucking the life force out of them. Really that's a main incentive for me in life, providing the children with a fair chance and protecting them from vultures and predators and helping them to become strong and responsible humans.

another bob
16th August 2012, 20:59
Q: What is the realization which is beyond understanding?

Nisargadatta: Imagine a dense forest full of tigers and you in a strong steel cage.

Knowing that you are well protected by the cage, you watch the tigers fearlessly.

Next you find the tigers in the cage and yourself roaming about the jungle.

Last - the cage disappears and you ride the tigers!

PurpleLama
16th August 2012, 21:02
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs46/i/2009/230/8/4/Palm_top_Tiger_by_Starjammer.jpg

Fred Steeves
16th August 2012, 22:19
Of course I want to be telling once again the story of what times were like when the tigers broke free, rather than why we have to live the way we are living. I intend to tell her once again how this big old world of ours had gotten to the point, that it was much like a little girl just like her, being hopelessly lost at night in a deep and scary forest. Forever!!!(LOL)

When her little eyes were finished being wide as saucers, I would explain to her how the frightened little girl was eventually faced with a very terrible choice.

She could either just curl up in frozen fear, and await her turn to be supper for the howling wild animals.

OR

She could be more brave than she ever dreamed she could be, and go calmly explain to the wild howling beasts of the night, that she was tired of being lost, that she was no longer afraid of them, and that she was also not going to be their supper. So there!!!

Well, surprise of all surprises! As she ventured out into the dark night, doing probably the last thing she would ever do, something rather odd happened. Whenever she would get even anywhere close to one of those terrible wild animals, they would run away from her! Hmmmmm.

So it began to rain, and she found shelter inside of a huge ancient tree that had been somewhat hollowed out on the bottom. This was most fortunate to find! However, just a few minutes later, when she had just started to get dry, she heard a deep breathing from further back in the tree!(EEK!)

She was of course scared to look, but she was even more scared NOT to look...And so she looked...And do you know what she saw? (No Grandpa, what?) Well, the little girl saw the most old, the most hideous, the most ancient creature staring at her that she ever could have imagined, in the light of a sudden flicker of lightning!

Strangely, in that flicker of lightning, they were to spend a full hour together. Both horrid ancient beast, and innocent little girl. (GASP!!!)

Well sweety, do you know what happened next? (Noooooo Grandpa, tell me...) That ancient and horrid beast began to weep, and then it cried. It cried rivers even, until it was as wet inside the tree as out. You see, this was the leader of all the horrible beasts, but he had been left alone and unguarded because of the surprise approach of the little girl. Eventually, the little girl could not help herself, and she gave the old crying beast a great big hug! She felt soooooooo bad for it, and in that moment, she also wished for it all of the love she possibly could to boot!

And THAT my child, was the moment the tigers broke free...

4evrneo
16th August 2012, 22:22
In my imagination, my 1 year old grand-daughter Brylee is probably already more aware than myself at this point but when she is 5 she will be able to recognize and respect the courage and deep heartfelt love of us all trying to make the world a better place for her and all of humanity......

Say hi to Brylee.....

Annette

Kano
16th August 2012, 22:32
I think this is such a great thing to ponder so thanks for bringing it up, Fred. The heart of this question is exactly why me and my significant other have no desire to have children. I will simply not bring a soul into this paradigm of deceit, hate, and corruption. Yes, we here at PA are not built that way, but the current societal mechanisms in place breed that in our youth and a lot of it can be out of the parents control. Now, having said that, I know I would be a great father and the love of my life, a great mother. However, I feel it would be totally irresponsible to try to raise a child properly in this era of time. This is not to criticize those young mothers and fathers out there doing the best they can and raising great children, it's just not for me. Maybe I'm just a wimp and couldn't bare to look up at those big blue eyes and say "we have to live this way because I crumbled under the pressure and failed to make the difference that I was capable of making".

WhiteFeather
17th August 2012, 01:47
Our mission that many had signed up for in this incarnation or should i say incarceration, is almost completed.
Just a few bars away till the fat lady is done singing her tune.
And Then We Will Be Free!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UA0FSFABmw

RunningDeer
17th August 2012, 01:54
In my imagination, my 1 year old grand-daughter Brylee is probably already more aware than myself at this point but when she is 5 she will be able to recognize and respect the courage and deep heartfelt love of us all trying to make the world a better place for her and all of humanity......

Say hi to Brylee.....

Annette

Hello Brylee, you are a little darling, with a very big heart.

What a cutie pie, Annette. Thanks for sharing!

sandy
17th August 2012, 02:06
Hi Fred,

I'm going to reincarnate as your great granddaughter next time only I will have hazel eyes to look into and up to the awesome LOVE in my Great Grand Father's eyes and face. Actually I don't even have to reincarnate to see it now. :)

Your are a wonderful being and I thank you for sharing your LOVE and WISDOM and for being YOU!!

gripreaper
17th August 2012, 02:06
Now imagine that your conscious focus of attention here in the present, is going to determine the coarse of conversations in the future with a certain little girl. When she's looking up at you with those pretty blue eyes, which question is she going to ask, and what story are you going to tell her?

I'm going to do the same thing I did with my own girls when they were growing up. I would answer their question with a series of questions, and lead them into their own answer, which would cause them to critically think for themselves and use both sides of their brain doing it.

Jake
17th August 2012, 02:42
My friend,, I have had the blessing of dealing with my wee girls looking into mee eyes, asking me the very basic questions of life.

BTW

This is one of my favorite tunes that was never included on the WALL.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH2LoYnQeog

I am blessed with daughters who are very old souls. And I NEVER LIE to them!!!

I have told them since they were toddlers; "We live this way because too many people have given their power to someone else, to make decisions for them." and that "Most people do not know what it is that they truly believe."

I have explained to my daughters the Law of Attraction and the concept of creating our own realities, and they GET IT!!

Just look her in her eyes and tell her that no matter what happens, you will see her on the other side of all of this,, It is the truth, and children understand better than adults!!!

NO FEARS! only joy and passion and love... Trust me, she will understand...

Jake.

4evrneo
12th September 2012, 16:58
My friend,, I have had the blessing of dealing with my wee girls looking into mee eyes, asking me the very basic questions of life.


I am blessed with daughters who are very old souls. And I NEVER LIE to them!!!

I have told them since they were toddlers; "We live this way because too many people have given their power to someone else, to make decisions for them." and that "Most people do not know what it is that they truly believe."

I have explained to my daughters the Law of Attraction and the concept of creating our own realities, and they GET IT!!

Just look her in her eyes and tell her that no matter what happens, you will see her on the other side of all of this,, It is the truth, and children understand better than adults!!!

NO FEARS! only joy and passion and love... Trust me, she will understand...

Jake.

That is a beautiful thing, you are a great father Jake,
Ah, gave me a warm & fuzzy feeling.
(smile)
Annette

Mark (Star Mariner)
12th September 2012, 18:02
My friend,, I have had the blessing of dealing with my wee girls looking into mee eyes, asking me the very basic questions of life.

BTW

This is one of my favorite tunes that was never included on the WALL.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH2LoYnQeog

I am blessed with daughters who are very old souls. And I NEVER LIE to them!!!

I have told them since they were toddlers; "We live this way because too many people have given their power to someone else, to make decisions for them." and that "Most people do not know what it is that they truly believe."

I have explained to my daughters the Law of Attraction and the concept of creating our own realities, and they GET IT!!

Just look her in her eyes and tell her that no matter what happens, you will see her on the other side of all of this,, It is the truth, and children understand better than adults!!!

NO FEARS! only joy and passion and love... Trust me, she will understand...

Jake.

Yeh awesome. If only all children were mentored this way (and quite a few distorted adults!) with absolute truth and love... The world would not be the way it is right now.

Buck
12th September 2012, 20:43
Imagine with me for a moment, that the title of this thread is not a line I lifted from Roger Waters, but instead a name given to the potentially monumental events of a certain time in our history. Imagine that you're now old, well into the sunset of your life, and you have your 5 year old great granddaughter sitting in your lap.

She's going to ask you a question, a question she now often asks as she looks at you with those pretty blue eyes. The question is either:

"Grandpa/grandma, tell me again why it is that we have to live this way".

OR

"Grandpa/grandma, tell me again what it was like when the tigers broke free".

Now imagine that your conscious focus of attention here in the present, is going to determine the coarse of conversations in the future with a certain little girl. When she's looking up at you with those pretty blue eyes, which question is she going to ask, and what story are you going to tell her?


Fred Steeves, you truly are shining today.

My heart opened in sync with my choice to open your post. Tears flooded my vision, faster than I could read your words. My soul hears you, loud and clear, even as my clever little friend ego/intellect is racing alongside, grabblng for glasses, squinting at the type through the tears- " What's happening !?? What IS he saying ? What is it what's this all about ?! ".

I see you so clearly now, as you step onto the field in full regalia. Your lack of fear, your clarity, your strength is affirmation of everything you are saying.

We are the pathfinders, always have been, always. We came to forget, to see ourselves as learning, as students, and then to remember, to re-connect, to re-affirm what it is we love, who we really are, and then to delight, to stretch our magnificent wings and FLY, to wreak vengeance, to settle the imbalance, to discover the secrets we hid for and from ourselves, to do battle with our dark selves, to see the truth of what is, to reconcile, to re-connect, to heal, to return and then to wake up and race out to greet the new day, we arrive, like that 5 year old you describe, she's smiling, running around with her toy wooden shield and play sword, ready to take on the monsters of the dark, following the bread crumbs in the forest she left for herself when she was here, the time before last.

we came to be in JOY.

Welcome, Master Fred.

Jake
12th September 2012, 20:50
Welcome, Master Fred.

Welcome, and thank you for your energy and insight.... We are on an amazing path, and there is noooooo turning back. You have a way of helping us understand our sentient nature and love for life.

I DO know (not imagine) that we live in a world where the tigers break free... We are all a part of it... so, enjoy.

Cheers,,, jake

Fred Steeves
12th September 2012, 21:16
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like that 5 year old you describe, she's smiling, running around with her toy wooden shield and play sword, ready to take on the monsters of the dark, following the bread crumbs in the forest she left for herself when she was here, the time before last.


Hi Buck, thank you so much for the kind words. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif I'm glad that you liked the story, kind of brings things on home doesn't it? Just one thing though, the little girl is not here to take on the monsters of the dark, not this time anyway. She's learned that lesson the hard way. Ideally, the little girl has come to wage peace with her own dark side, and is here to take the hand of one of the tigers' former captors, and help them hobble on home too.

Good to hear from you again!
Fred

Buck
13th September 2012, 09:00
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like that 5 year old you describe, she's smiling, running around with her toy wooden shield and play sword, ready to take on the monsters of the dark, following the bread crumbs in the forest she left for herself when she was here, the time before last.


Hi Buck, thank you so much for the kind words. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif I'm glad that you liked the story, kind of brings things on home doesn't it? Just one thing though, the little girl is not here to take on the monsters of the dark, not this time anyway. She's learned that lesson the hard way. Ideally, the little girl has come to wage peace with her own dark side, and is here to take the hand of one of the tigers' former captors, and help them hobble on home too.

Good to hear from you again!
Fred

Thank you Fred, that feels great to hear that. The funny thing is, I had not read your second post (the one with the profoundly moving story) before I posted.

Imagine that- I was writing my post about tears and joy, while you were posting your story about tears and the power of love.

There is no such thing as coincidence.

And hey- I love your crazy phrase 'waging peace' (!) Amen to that, brother !


The Masters of Avalon are here-
waging peace, with their love bombs
:) :) :)

markpierre
13th September 2012, 12:04
I would say, 'I was running down a long dark corridor, it smelled of sewage and I was terrified. There were monsters behind me and I ran as hard as I could but there was dirty water up to my knees and I was exhausted.
My legs gave out and I fell to my knees. Someone or something grabbed me by the shoulder and began shaking me and I struggled and struggled and then opened my eyes....and it was you.
The sun was up. It was a new day.'

Buck
14th September 2012, 05:17
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like that 5 year old you describe, she's smiling, running around with her toy wooden shield and play sword, ready to take on the monsters of the dark, following the bread crumbs in the forest she left for herself when she was here, the time before last.


Hi Buck, thank you so much for the kind words. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif I'm glad that you liked the story, kind of brings things on home doesn't it? Just one thing though, the little girl is not here to take on the monsters of the dark, not this time anyway. She's learned that lesson the hard way. Ideally, the little girl has come to wage peace with her own dark side, and is here to take the hand of one of the tigers' former captors, and help them hobble on home too.

Good to hear from you again!
Fred

Thank you Fred, that feels great to hear that. The funny thing is, I had not read your second post (the one with the profoundly moving story) before I posted.

Imagine that- I was writing my post about tears and joy, while you were posting your story about tears and the power of love.

There is no such thing as coincidence.

And hey- I love your crazy phrase 'waging peace' (!) Amen to that, brother !


The Masters of Avalon are here-
waging peace, with their love bombs
:) :) :)



Fred I love the invitation you set with this thread, it is the most powerful litmus test in my own life- everything is clear when I think of what do I want for our children, for the next generation and the ones after that. But that being said, when I think of teaching my kids something, honestly the most astounding thing to me about the role of teacher and student reverse and shift with every moment. It is incredible how advanced they are.

for example -
I was on my out of the house this morning when I came across this very special craft, built by the youngest of my three children, Luella (age 3)

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I asked here what this was

"don't be silly, it's a plane, Poppa."
Oh
"And look, it can go anywhere, backwards and forwards."

I see that

"And you can go too, all you have to do is ask."

Thank you, that is so nice of you to invite me.

"Not ME, silly, you have to ask the Pink Pony, the one with the magic sparkles."

Wow, you really decorated this, it is so, so beautiful!

"Yeah. But those aren't decore-ations, they are bombs, see?

(she invites me in for a close look, pointing out the q-tips she has banded to the wings)

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( at this point, I am a little bit startled at the mention of bombs in the context of the Pink Pony etc. Luella doesn't notice at all, she is getting more and more wound up- she points to the back of the craft, where she points out a small jump seat-)

"Look Poppa, over here, see this is a camera for taking pictures of the places you go, and here's extra food, and warm things too"

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Okay, that's awesome. But Luella, about those bombs, you know, maybe they are love bombs, like you fly to wherever you want to give love and you-

(Luella impatiently cuts me off with a wave of her pudgy little 3yr old hand, and says with a slightly exasperated tone -

"Poppa. You don't DROP love on people. They fall and OPEN, like FLOWERS. See? "

(she pulls makes an expanding motion with her palms opening out, then lifts her arms)

"Like that, Poppa, like that."

She looks up, for probably the first time in the entire conversation. She is surprised to see me crying. She smiles. She gives me a hug.