Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

[gripreaper]

http://i.imgur.com/1TOTi.gif

[gripreaper]

My theory works pretty good, yours is so full of holes it is laughable.


http://i.imgur.com/1TOTi.gif

I really can't believe what I'm reading here. Maybe that's the point, to sling mud and shake up the pool.

[Oouthere]

Exit Hole ....Exit Hole .... Exit Hole ....
If this isn't the biggest smoking gun please explain.
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The Pentagon exit hole is one of the most anomalous features of the Pentagon attack. It is 310 feet away from the impact area, near perfectly round and absolutely inexplicable in terms of the composite nose of a Boeing 757-200 "punching out". The other sore thumb about it is that it is avoided in ALL of the official reports. "It is not explained in the Building Performance Report, the Shoring Report, the Arlington County After-Action Report or the 9/11 Commission Report.". The only report by an engineer commenting on it was linked right here at Rense.com. This article will attempt to support Michael Meyer's position that a type of shape charge was used.
http://www.rense.com/general70/hole.htm



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OK, here goes, I have been a bricklayer for some years and that hole is not made by an airplane, just look at it, no jagged edges at all,if you punch a hole through a brick wall it will NOT look that neat, especially because that supposed airplane went through rows and row and rows of steel reinforced concrete columns and walls and by the time it would have arrived at hole it would be completely shredded to bits and jagged pieces and nothing even remotely resembling an airplane nose cone would survive that little journey through that sort of terrain intact, let alone make a nose cone sized and shaped exit hole, utterly ridiculous, that hole is made by a shaped charge, its an exit hole all right, but not from an airplane, someone left that building through that hole with SOMETHING they wanted OUT of the building, my best guess would be a big old pile of hard drives filled with severely incriminating information , the round circumference of the hole is just a nice touch to make you think something with that shape punched through that wall, it didn't, ( a square hole would have been a bit too obvious eh)I commented on that two years ago I believe and I said approximately the same thing, that hole is NOT made by an airplane, its a door.

Btw, look at that neat little pile of rubble in front of the hole, even if a plane had speed enough to punch through that magical hole, it would not look like that, a precisely calculated controlled big badaboom device probably resembling Play Dough was stuck to that wall around the edges of the soon to be made hole and blew a nice round hole in it, They probably drew the circumference of the soon to be hole in the wall with nothing but a piece of string, a nail and a sharpie.

Special forces do entries like this all the time, they train for it and with it, and when you enter a building like that, you can also exit it in the same way, from the inside out instead from the outside in, the question is, why didn't they use the front door, nobody would notice them leaving, especially since it takes about three minutes to change clothes, so if someone chose to leave through a wall, what were they carrying that they couldn't get away with at the front door, did security even know they were in the building, don't you have to pass through security when entering and exiting, aren't those people logged in and out, pass through metal detectors and past dudes with guns and God knows what else?

Miners around the world make holes like that too in massive rock walls above and below ground, they have been making tunnels with explosives for about 150 years plus through mountains, or just looking for natural resources in tight spaces they have done this a zillion times like this, maybe with less sophisticated tools and explosives and needing more time, but its not uncommon.

I am willing to take a bet that the front door and back door explosion happened simultaneous to hide its creation and that it was prepared in advance. As a matter of fact, imo the whole purpose of the so called plane was to hide the creation of the exit hole, don't forget, the people in the Pentagon had at least the whole night to drag whatever they stole to the hole, all they needed was one bang to get out, a bang that would have attracted a lot of unwanted attention, hence front door diversion bang by supposed plane. Hide small boom in big boom, even when all you need is a small boom, you still have to hide the boom.

And Elvis left the building through a shortcut with a huge bag of very special important and valuable "doughnuts".


http://www.odeion.org/cruisemissile/c-hole6.jpg


The hole is not perfect by any means. Look at the left side and you will see part of a column or wall still intact, even an un-scorched white pipe hiding behind it indicating no explosives.

So, how did the parts get on the outside of the Pentagon. Fork lift was waiting for the explosion with parts already loaded? How long did it take this forklift to neatly arrange the parts to look like they penetrated the wall? And how come not one of the people that it obviously took to put these parts in place have came forward?

Left with something through the hole? You see the scorch marks at the top of the bricks from the fire that was inside the building? How is someone going to walk through a burning hole carrying computer parts?

To me, that hole does not look a whole lot different than this is:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/29/article-1298695-0A9DF930000005DC-6_468x312.jpg

[Oouthere]

My theory works pretty good, yours is so full of holes it is laughable.


http://i.imgur.com/1TOTi.gif

I really can't believe what I'm reading here. Maybe that's the point, to sling mud and shake up the pool.

It's pretty simply, throw out the conspiracy theories and look at the PHYSICAL evidence, not listen to the testimonies, analysis, black box data, radar, or anything else that can be controlled and changed by the officials. Want to change my mind? Disprove anything I have said using common sense and is provable without magic, unknown technologies, or the impossible pre-planted parts theories.

I've after truth, nothing else. I simply hate people being mislead when I know they are being misled (at least on the part of the plane hitting the Pentagon). I have a mild case of asperger's and if you look it up, it will explain how I approach problems. Truth is my religion.

[Atlas]

It is good to have many different views on this. The remote-controlled plane theory is not much different from the missile theory...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EpIqq-p3--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18qqzqy4hwc27jpg.jpg

@Oouthere: why hide the footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon and where are the other charred bodies ?

[Oouthere]

Actually I do believe WTC7 was brought down by demolitions. But it was tested on video that the beams will bend and collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2TMVDYpp2Q) under a load with simple jet fuel so I cannot completely discount WTC1 and WTC2 as having collapsed because of fire. Since WTC7 did not have this, it is a good possibility that something else caused it to collapse. Plus the BBC announced the collapsed before it happened is reason for concern as well.
With all due respect Oouthere, I'm a bit puzzled how you could believe WTC7 was brought down by demolitions, but then believe buildings 1 & 2 were brought down by jet fueled fires. Doesn't it seem odd that two buildings would come down by fires caused by the unexpected impact of planes, but the third would be brought down by a controlled (i.e., planned) demolition? It takes weeks, if not months, to plan and wire a building so that it can be brought down in its own footprint--and even then it doesn't always go as planned.

It has already been proven that office fires (stoked by jet fuel or not) cannot melt or sufficiently weaken high-rise steel structures to bring them down. And this is borne out by the fact that never in history has a single skyscraper been brought down by fires or plane impacts--of which there have been dozens if not hundreds.

I highly recommend you watch The Anatomy of a Great Deception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc) documentary and visit some the better 9/11 websites like Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org/), Pilots for 9/11 Truth (http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/), Scientists for 9/11 Truth (http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/), U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.mo911truth.org/), Firefighters for 9/11 Truth (http://web.archive.org/web/20110911032318/firefightersfor911truth.org/) and there are many more that provide real expert testimony including the impossibility of the towers being brought down by fires; much less in their own footprint a la controlled demolition style.

I never said I did not believe the WTC were brought down by charges, just that it has been proven that beams without fire insulation will fail within minutes of an open air jet fuel fire. It does not matter who says it cannot, it has been proven and it does fail. There may have been charges to bring all of them down, just certain WTC7 was without doubt.

I've looked at all of the videos, studied for 100's of hours (it bothered me terribly and I could not sleep). You will find my name on on www.patriotsquestion911.com "******* ****** – Avionics Maintenance Technician. Experienced with integrated avionics systems on General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon and Fairchild - Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II (aka "Warthog"). U.S. Air Force veteran. 10-year military career."

Richard Gage even revoked his endorsement of CIT for the fly over theory. As far as I know, other than a plane hitting the Pentagon there has not been a good explanation that fills in all the blanks without getting into completely far fetched and unworkable theories. I bought about 10 copies of Richard Gage's video, put together packages and sent to all of my local mayors, senator and congressman asking them to pull our troops out since they had been sent to war under false pretenses.

[Oouthere]

It is good to have many different views on this. The remote-controlled plane theory is not much different from the missile theory...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EpIqq-p3--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18qqzqy4hwc27jpg.jpg

@Oouthere: why hide the footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon and where are the other charred bodies ?

These are only speculations of course, but perhaps releasing the one video showing the craft enabled the speed to not be calculated with precision. Plus the time was wrong on the released video anyway.

A remoted plane and a remoted missile theories are very different. For the remote missile theory to work you have to either have two missiles fired simultaneously in order to knock over the lights poles and impact at the same instance. Or you have to have pre-planted light poles, and hire a cab driver to driver around with a pole sticking out of his windshield hoping no one sees him just before stopping and spreading glass on the road to start his fake story of a plane.

Only the ones you've probably seen.

[Atlas]

For the remote missile theory to work you have to either have two missiles fired simultaneously in order to knock over the lights poles and impact at the same instance. Or you have to have pre-planted light poles, and hire a cab driver to driver around with a pole sticking out of his windshield hoping no one sees him just before stopping and spreading glass on the road to start his fake story of a plane.

I believe the cab driver was hired. Man, how do you explain the miracle of the light pole not even touching the hood of the cab ?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/Nevermore_CarpeDraconis/Conspiracy/PentagonCab3.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/pentagon%20trip/Picture039.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Pentagon_taxi_hit_by_lightpole.jpg

Taxi driver comes close to admitting he was part of 9/11:
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http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lloyddoodle.png
England’s own drawing of the pole through the windshield of his cab.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Is there anyone out there thats credible to have lost a loved one or relative that were passengers on any of the planes?

Personally I don't even believe any people were on the flights because the flights didn't actually exist.

Regarding the Pentagon.. a missile was used. If they had any video footage of (A PLANE) they would of rubbed our noses in it at the time seeing as we had all been led to believe and saw what looked like 2 passenger aircraft slamming into the WTC. We even saw people falling out of the towers and can hear them landing. So the Pentagon being hit would of been mild to the eyes after that.

[Oouthere]

Is there anyone out there thats credible to have lost a loved one or relative that were passengers on any of the planes?

Personally I don't even believe any people were on the flights because the flights didn't actually exist.

Regarding the Pentagon.. a missile was used. If they had any video footage of (A PLANE) they would of rubbed our noses in it at the time seeing as we had all been led to believe and saw what looked like 2 passenger aircraft slamming into the WTC. We even saw people falling out of the towers and can hear them landing. So the Pentagon being hit would of been mild to the eyes after that.

People keep saying it is a missile, but ALL of the pieces fit a 757. You tell the family members of loved ones who lost someone on flight 77 that they never were real.

Darwin Weigel (http://www.somdnews.com/storyimage/PN/20110909/NEWS/709099851/AR/0/AR-709099851.jpg&maxw=290)

Suzzane Calley (http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/morganhilltimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/43/343a6d92-f589-5f4b-b04d-d0060b85a1ba/4efb78b26c142.image.jpg)

Plus a few more.

Confront with facts and beliefs still override. They keep saying a missile, so perhaps if I keep saying a plane then common sense and logic will eventually prevail.

[Dennis Leahy]

:eek: :( :focus: (The topic of this thread is the VT article.)

If you want, start a new thread titled, "Why I think the US government covered-up EVERYTHING about what really happened on 9/11 - except that a commercial 757 really did hit the Pentagon even if the damage on the face of the Pentagon is inexplicably way too small for a 757."

[Hervé]

Indeed, let's have a good look at PHYSICAL evidence in their time sequence:


http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/facade-intactesma2.jpg

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/pentagon_precollapse.jpg




Then, the people (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wrh_9-11_index.php) who point to the following as utterly impossible due to steel columns,etc.:




http://911composites.wiki-site.com/images/c/c1/Image050.png


http://911composites.wiki-site.com/images/0/0c/Image058.jpg




... have no qualms about using this next one as evidence it is utterly possible:




http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/PENTPLANE/fuselagefragment_MVC-027S.jpg


... even though they insist that the impact pulverized the "plane" completely, wings included:


A concrete wall hit by an F-4 fighter jet at 500 MPH:"The plane atomized with the impact, it just disappeared into dust - only the tips of the wings escaped total destruction. But the wall, designed to move and absorb energy, did its job well."
WMV video download (978kB) (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fighter_impact2.wmv)

The above was a test where an F-4 fighter jet (fighters are built more sturdy than passenger jets in order to survive despite combat Yep, it's got to be strong joujou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juju)...

All right, enough cheerleading (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014&p=808043&viewfull=1#post808043)...


[...]
.... The job of seeders is to consistently challenge the purpose and accuracy of the information source (a process known as “cheerleading”) until authentic and well-meaning members of the audience begin to repeat the challenges by themselves.
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[gripreaper]

The presumption, which we are being led to consider, is:

A plane hit the Pentagon, after terrorists overwhelmed the entire crew and passengers with box cutters, and was then piloted by an inexperienced terrorist who could not even control a Piper Cub, and he did an 80 degree descending corkscrew maneuver, which several seasoned pilots have testified is impossible, but this terrorist brought the plane within a few feet along the ground at "stall" speed, took out a few light poles which were not in line with the alleged path, and held this plane within feet of the ground without any ground scars, impacted the Pentagon, making a small entrance hole because the wings folded in on impact, at the exact location where the investigation of trillions of missing dollars was taking place, and the entire plane disintegrates within the small hole due to jet fuel, destroys all the evidence, and yet, a stewardess friend of one of the stewardesses on the flight, finds her severed arm with her bracelet in the debris, the same debris which just disintegrated an entire airplane, and there is NO video footage of any of this...

Please, would one of the mods please close this thread. In my opinion, this thread has trailed way off into the area of being designed to cause consternation and confusion, while there are many good threads here at Avalon for those who want the truth about 9-11. After 13 years, do we need this kind of inquiry which leads to nothing but discordance in the energy field?

I may get "warned" for what I am about to say, but Oouthere is really "out there", is disruptive in his line of reasoning, which is not consistent with any balanced logical analysis of all of the facts, and therefore is causing more harm than good.

[Oouthere]

The presumption, which we are being led to consider, is:

A plane hit the Pentagon, after terrorists overwhelmed the entire crew and passengers with box cutters, and was then piloted by an inexperienced terrorist who could not even control a Piper Cub, and he did an 80 degree descending corkscrew maneuver, which several seasoned pilots have testified is impossible, but this terrorist brought the plane within a few feet along the ground at "stall" speed, took out a few light poles which were not in line with the alleged path, and held this plane within feet of the ground without any ground scars, impacted the Pentagon, making a small entrance hole because the wings folded in on impact, at the exact location where the investigation of trillions of missing dollars was taking place, and the entire plane disintegrates within the small hole due to jet fuel, destroys all the evidence, and yet, a stewardess friend of one of the stewardesses on the flight, finds her severed arm with her bracelet in the debris, the same debris which just disintegrated an entire airplane, and there is NO video footage of any of this...

Please, would one of the mods please close this thread. In my opinion, this thread has trailed way off into the area of being designed to cause consternation and confusion, while there are many good threads here at Avalon for those who want the truth about 9-11. After 13 years, do we need this kind of inquiry which leads to nothing but discordance in the energy field?

I may get "warned" for what I am about to say, but Oouthere is really "out there", is disruptive in his line of reasoning, which is not consistent with any balanced logical analysis of all of the facts, and therefore is causing more harm than good.

When did I ever say terrorist overpowered and flew the aircraft, can you find one instance? One of the supposed callers from a hijacked aircraft stated there was smoke on board, that indicates something far removed from box cutters. Perhaps the planes were gassed but the accuracy of the flights indicate remote flying, not a novice pilot.

Purdue university put together an engineered rendering (https://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html) of the Pentagon impact. Was Purdue also part of the cover-up? And stop saying the hole (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSA2y96mn0XAymBiFxMmRVBSjRWjga-BiwsHIJeXaIx1p1ilnRQXw) or impact area (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7L7w4CcN6rz00OEjNubu0bqHDdrqVWf6rjs6UWVd_4eLWaF8AQg) was small, it was not. Stop repeating misinformation, that is what got us in this discussion in the first place.

And I'm the one with imbalanced logic? Use real world logic and make these parts (https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentagonDebrisMontagecopy1-full.jpg) fit into your theory.

If you have a theory that actually works in the real world, please put it out here.

Consternation and confusion? If a few people get upset with me but others can see and accept facts vs beliefs, it is worth it. Knowing there is a "they" out there manipulating us makes living on this planet bad, but sitting back and doing nothing while people that consider themselves enlightened get lead down a path that makes us all look like flakes, that is even worse. We need to question what we are being told from both sides and test which parts hold water and which cannot.

[Oouthere]

:eek: :( :focus: (The topic of this thread is the VT article.)

If you want, start a new thread titled, "Why I think the US government covered-up EVERYTHING about what really happened on 9/11 - except that a commercial 757 really did hit the Pentagon even if the damage on the face of the Pentagon is inexplicably way too small for a 757."

The only thing too small is the time ignoring analysis and actually looking at the impact area (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg).

[gripreaper]

but the accuracy of the flights indicate remote flying, not a novice pilot.

Ok, so place this in the broadest contextual canvas your mind can see and filter all of what you know through that context. Now, with that said, it lends credibility to the fact that 9-11 was an engineered false flag, so any information in regards to "who, what, where, when and why" coming from the same sources as those who perpetrated the false flag, is akin to asking the fox who just raided the hen house what happened to the chickens while there is still blood dripping from his chops.

So, shall we still debate whether it was a plane or a missile, the size of the hole, or the flight path? At this point, it matters not, even though the preponderance of evidence does NOT support the plane theory. Those at the Citco gas station across from the pentagon, all testified that the flight path of the white plane they saw approaching the pentagon is not the same as the official story.

When you add up all the discrepancies which occurred on 9-11, it is obvious to me that the entire event was ritualistic globalist machination, a total fraud. I'm not going to cherry pick pieces of it and debate them to try and fit the official version.

I've already spent 10 years and countless hours looking at everything imaginable about this event. If you have some new evidence, then bring that forward, otherwise I'm done with this thread.

[tnkayaker]

ATS has some questionable connections or so ive read.....no thanks, then there is the caddy comments made by some of the members to john lear and well from what i have read about lear, hes pretty respectable weather his deductions are correct or not is another thing, but his coming foward with his knowledge and experience of flying to support his comments is astounding, he knows his business plain and simple , and why would any mildly intelligence person jump over to ATS thinking what is going on at PA is something less than awsome...then again oh never mind

[Oouthere]

but the accuracy of the flights indicate remote flying, not a novice pilot.

Ok, so place this in the broadest contextual canvas your mind can see and filter all of what you know through that context. Now, with that said, it lends credibility to the fact that 9-11 was an engineered false flag, so any information in regards to "who, what, where, when and why" coming from the same sources as those who perpetrated the false flag, is akin to asking the fox who just raided the hen house what happened to the chickens while there is still blood dripping from his chops.

So, shall we still debate whether it was a plane or a missile, the size of the hole, or the flight path? At this point, it matters not, even though the preponderance of evidence does NOT support the plane theory. Those at the Citco gas station across from the pentagon, all testified that the flight path of the white plane they saw approaching the pentagon is not the same as the official story.

When you add up all the discrepancies which occurred on 9-11, it is obvious to me that the entire event was ritualistic globalist machination, a total fraud. I'm not going to cherry pick pieces of it and debate them to try and fit the official version.

I've already spent 10 years and countless hours looking at everything imaginable about this event. If you have some new evidence, then bring that forward, otherwise I'm done with this thread.

Actually the CITCO eye witnesses are one of the reasons people have to discount any black box or radar data. The phone calls could not have happened either if the data was correct. You do not think it important to get the details of the biggest war/political event in our lifetime correct? Thousands of people's lives have been lost because of this, if not 100,000's of thousands from the following war.

We owe it to our children, to those deceased, and to uphold truth to get things correct.

[gripreaper]

We owe it to our children, to those deceased, and to uphold truth to get things correct.

We can't. There's not a decent piece of video footage, although there are hundreds of video's, they were all confiscated. The only photo's of any value are the one's released in the first 24 hours, undoctored. The only testimony of any value is from the first responders who had no bias or ax to grind, and only what they said in the first 24 hours. The rest is suspect.

The best we can do is to take all the available data and stay within the laws of physics, and develop the highest probability based on that. If you tell me that you know of a stewardess who found the severed arm of her friend, verified by a bracelet, in the debris field where the alleged plane disintegrated from jet fuel, then I see a major discrepancy and this data cannot be used to build your case. Using an animated video to prove that it was a plane does no constitute verifiable science based on the actual physics of the materials which were supposedly incinerated within the Pentagon. The physics just do not add up. The only relevant photo's of the hole in the building are those first taken. We cannot use conjecture, emotion, or go outside the laws of physics in order to make our case. Sorry.

[Dennis Leahy]

:eek: :( :focus: (The topic of this thread is the VT article.)

If you want, start a new thread titled, "Why I think the US government covered-up EVERYTHING about what really happened on 9/11 - except that a commercial 757 really did hit the Pentagon even if the damage on the face of the Pentagon is inexplicably way too small for a 757."

The only thing too small is the time ignoring analysis and actually looking at the impact area (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg).
That is NOT a photo of the impact area. That is a photo of a damaged building, covered in smoke, over which some on-the-blackops-payroll troll has made some pretty lines, pretending that it defines an impact area. It is utterly astounding that you would present this as "evidence" of a gigantic, jumbo-jet-sized hole, especially when the clear photos of the face of the building - shown numerous times in this thread - shows CONCLUSIVELY that there is NOT a gigantic, jumbo-jet-sized hole in the building.

You can repeat, and repeat, and repeat the false assertion that there a gigantic, jumbo-jet-sized hole in the building until your last breath if you want, but no one with two eyes and a cerebellum believes you. You don't even believe yourself. It is impossible for you to be deceived by the smoky photo once you have seen the clear photo. You know it, I know it, every Avalonian that bothers to beat the dead horse of "how 9/11 was done" (yes, I'm guilty as charged) knows it, every guest of Avalon knows it. You are making a fool of yourself by shoveling that BS. The perpetrators of 9/11 did not have 100% control over the photographic forensic evidence. They WISH the clear photo of the face of the Pentagon (showing a small missile strike or possibly damage done by explosive charges) did not exist, but it does. A number of people here on Avalon have gone out of their way to be nice to you and to show you CONCLUSIVELY that the smoky picture with the cute neon lines drawn over it is incorrect, and that the clear photo clearly shows that the smoky photo's neon lines are either deliberate disinformation or are a premature guess made before the clear photo was available. The clear photo is available now, and clearly refutes the neon lines. If you insist on showing or pushing the smoke-obscured photo with "it fits the US government's official story" neon lines drawn over it again, you will be forever branded as a disinformation agent who is being paid from the missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Are you? If not, and you realize that 9/11 was a false-flag three-ring-circus, then when you see a piece of compelling "evidence", your brain should be whirring with ideas about how the requisite "anomalies" were staged and planted to befuddle the simple-minded and bolster the official narrative/big bad bedtime story about how Bin Laden's Boys took over NORAD, breached the world's most protected airspace and building, and exploded the WTC buildings to smithereens.

I see this as a last, last chance to back-off gracefully from promoting disinformation.

Dennis

[syrwong]

I suggest the closing of the thread before it out-post Simon's thread.

[Operator]

Whoaa, still discussing this topic? You are all wasting quality energy and the PTB must find this hilarious.

The only important ultimate goal is for the perpetrators to admit and speak the whole truth, period!
Humanity will not heal from this event until then. Simple principle, if someone does something wrong
he/she is the only one to correct it. No one else can do that for them.

So, as long as there is even a tiny fraction left that is not explained/motivated by them there is
every reason to get back to them (over and over again) and demand answers until they are all
satisfactory answered. Our only responsibility is to detect if we are being lied to or not.
Being an authority brings lots of privileges and luxuries with it but also the undeniable
responsibility to know what is going on and transparently share it with the public whom they
should represent. If they fail to do so they are not eligible to receive the public's tax dollars.

I think this should not only apply to the US government but to EVERY government. If WE know
we're being lied to every country's self-respecting intelligence agency should know and react
accordingly. Why aren't we all (in whatever country you live) more worried that governments
worldwide do not question the official storyline? It's an indication that something is terribly wrong
on this planet.

[Atlas]

[...] the damage on the face of the Pentagon is inexplicably way too small for a 757."

The only thing too small is the time ignoring analysis and actually looking at the impact area (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg).
That is NOT a photo of the impact area. That is a photo of a damaged building, covered in smoke, over which some on-the-blackops-payroll troll has made some pretty lines, pretending that it defines an impact area. It is utterly astounding that you would present this as "evidence" of a gigantic, jumbo-jet-sized hole, especially when the clear photos of the face of the building - shown numerous times in this thread - shows CONCLUSIVELY that there is NOT a gigantic, jumbo-jet-sized hole in the building. [...]

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg

How could the 'remote-controlled plane/missile' hit the building in such a horizontal manner and hit the first floor without hitting the ground first ? I find it mind-numbing,

[TargeT]

When a strongly held belief is challenged, the Fight/Flight/Freeze mechanisms in our brain are activated.

The person with the strongly held belief will NOT change their mind regardless of the information presented to them, they are in a physiological state of panic, short term memory is lost, all that is left is the DEEPLY seeded NEED to defend the idea as-if-their-life-depends-on-it.

When you get that "flush" of emotional charge while responding to a comment, you are approaching or already in the above described state; when you neurotically and circularly argue a topic, the above state is probably the cause. This is not something that is easy to observe in ones self unless the individual is used to introspection, its hard to see.

[Cidersomerset]

I'm not that technically minded ,but I look at the bigger strategic picture of the
many odd events in the last 24 years since 1990 & the communist USSR
collapse . What I find that a lot of diverse threads are linked , I was just looking at
the 7/7 London psyop and it has all the hall marks of an updated 9/11 , four
separate attacks, immediate insinuating Al Quaeda, drills going on so the event
could be controlled . If you look at the BBC ' London under attack ' docu/drama
Panorama programme a year before. They state in the 'crisis' control room mock up
that the UK government has the right to monitor all media in the country under
the 'Reserved powers Act' . This probably applies to all countries , although not
needed as most central media polices itself and are monitored by the intel agencies
anyway, and if the odd reporter says something wrong or out of time with the script
like BBC's Jane Stanley with building 7 or Peter Powers with the 7/7 drills they are
soon played down then dismissed. In the 7/7 case they were learning from lessons
learn't from 9/11 imo ...

British Citizen Turns Himself In To Scotland Yard for not Believing Official 9/11 & 7/7 Stories

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75605-British-Citizen-Turns-Himself-In-To-Scotland-Yard-for-not-Believing-Official-9-11-7-7-Stories&p=884415#post884415

This also gives me a deeper insight into many of the other event manipulated thru
history especially in the last 200 years . From a basic view point of 'Quo Bono'
who benefited from 9/11 it seems like some Neo -Cons & Neo - Dems. Israel ,
Saudi , the imperial gulf states. The UK elite must be in the mix . thru the
global oil , weapons and Banksters links and other nations are persuaded or
abliged to join in like Canada , Australia and some NATO countries....

So on 9/11 we have three controlled demolitions and a missile attack and
possibly a plane shot down over Shanksville that disappeared down a black
hole in a field. All controlled by " ? elements " under cover of air drills.

While on 7/7 we had three bombs planted beneath the trains set off by
remote control and one on a bus . All controlled by " ? elements " under
cover of mock drills that went live after the bombs were activated, these
covered the real attackers tracks and prevented greater loss of life. While the
4 patsies who thought they were part of the drills were possibly assassinated
at Canary wharf.

part of a thread I posted the other day lays out logical evidence if not
'scientific' , but science is only valid until the next theory is proven...


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: 9/11 Firefighter Blows WTC 7 Cover-Up Wide Open // Twin Towers Fall A Planned Demolition: Richard Gage Interview



it was Rumsfelt:
http://www.farsight.org/demo/Mysteri...0_targets.html
watch the full video/report for all the details, sad to see what really happened.
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Not only Rumsfeldt...........


Mineta and the secret orders of Cheney

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Uploaded on 7 Jun 2007


In 2003, Former Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission:

Mineta: "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a
young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...
the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young
man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President
turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you
heard anything to the contrary!??"

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NORAD Ordered to Stand Down on 9/11 by Dick Cheney

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Uploaded on 4 Mar 2011


On the morning of 9/11 Dick Cheney was surprisingly in controll of NORAD. This is the first time in history
a VP was incharge of the agency. Dick Cheney ordered NORAD to stand down on the morning of 9/11
allowing the planes to fly into theWTC and Pentagon. Credits to youtube user Thetruthwillout for the video.


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9/11 CNN Pentagon Report - NO PLANE - Only Aired Once

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Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001!

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9/11 : Pentagon Was Hit by a Cruise Missile - Proof!

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Rumsfeld on 9/11 ............PHOTO OP ! I'M A HERO !!!! FILM ME .....

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Uploaded on 6 Apr 2007


Donald Rumsfeld on the morning of 9/11, shown here helping carry a stretcher
right after the Pentagon was struck. In the middle of an attack on the U.S., he
had abandoned his post for the sake of this photo-op

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COINCIDENCE.....B------'s !!!

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Uploaded on 15 Aug 2011


On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste"
after an internal audit had found that the Pentagon was "missing" some
2.3 (Capital 'T') Trillion dollars in unaccounted assets.

On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten in the mainstream.

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US GENERAL SAYS NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON ON 911!

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Freelance mainstream photographer took footage soon after the explosion,
the roof had not collapsed yet and there was no sign of plane wreckage.....

9/11 Truth: Pentagon Eyewitness Bob Pugh Tells His Story

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Uploaded on 18 Aug 2008


Dogecoin tips welcome: DTj5FBa8juYDxVrbHSN8TrW6ugjVgidjWm

Interview with Bob Pugh, who was at the Pentagon on the morning of September
11, 2001. He has a lot of interesting things to say about the events of that morning.

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Cab Driver Involved In 9/11 Pentagon Attack Admits "It Was Planned" VERY INTERESTING!!

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74869-9-11-Firefighter-Blows-WTC-7-Cover-Up-Wide-Open-Twin-Towers-Fall-A-Planned-Demolition-Richard-Gage-Interview&p=876161#post876161

[Oouthere]

When a strongly held belief is challenged, the Fight/Flight/Freeze mechanisms in our brain are activated.

The person with the strongly held belief will NOT change their mind regardless of the information presented to them, they are in a physiological state of panic, short term memory is lost, all that is left is the DEEPLY seeded NEED to defend the idea as-if-their-life-depends-on-it.

When you get that "flush" of emotional charge while responding to a comment, you are approaching or already in the above described state; when you neurotically and circularly argue a topic, the above state is probably the cause. This is not something that is easy to observe in ones self unless the individual is used to introspection, its hard to see.

But you need to understand I've stood on both sides of the line. The complete "no plane" theory to a balanced approach that accounts for all aspects using only known technology. Truth is the most important thing, and I could not find truth in stating anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon. There is no way a person can be honest with themselves and explain the parts in a logical manner that is consistent with anything other than a 757 impact. Otherwise it would have already been done.

I find it hard to believe I am being accused of be illogical when no one here can explain away the parts.

[Oouthere]

That's a lot to address.

I have little faith in RV. If it were so accurate, the sun would have already destroyed the earth and dozens of other predictions would have already came to pass as given by Mr. RV (Ed Dames). Yes, some get a few things right but it is not consistent.
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No one knows what the standing order was with Cheney (by the way, I think the man is evil). The countdown could have been the intercept of the Shanksville aircraft. There was a runway less than a minute away that normally had fighter aircraft and therefore probably had anti-aircraft ground systems as well. So unless you find the airman that did the countdown, you will not know what the reference is.

I personally believe Cheney and Rumsfeld both were part of 911 but only partial information on something this important cannot be totally weighed in the negative.
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CNN no plane report - It looked like that at first glance, just when you dig deeper that you find that multiple rings had been penetrated and people had airplane parts land near their vehicles and laying on the lawn. One guy even said a missile, but all of the dozens of other witnesses say it was an aircraft.
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April Gallop. I once held her in high esteem until things did not add up. How did she exit a penetration hole that was burning? Then you find that army SSgt Braman saw her exit a set of double doors that had blown open. His lungs were damaged from the jet fuel that Gallop said was not present. She had a concussion and I have seen numerous people with these while riding motocross. They cannot remember longer than a few seconds, asking the same question numerous times in a minute. She also tried to sue AA, so either she believes a 757 hit or she simply went for money. Either way, she played both sides of the line.
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There's plenty of info showing large amounts of debris that exited the hole. It is up to the person to believe or not, but at least a couple of the parts have been identified to fit a 757.
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Rumsfeld acted suspiciously on 911, I believe he is guilty as sin. No argument here, but no missile either.
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Stubblebine did great in his achievements but he's also a little off. He lost some of my respect when he started banging his head on the wall while trying to walk through it. But he's just wrong imo, the parts fit a 757, Purdue shows how the impact played out, and the generator damage fits perfectly for a 757 impact.
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I'll finish this later.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

NO COMMERCIAL JET PILOTED BY AN INEXPERIENCED INDIVIDUAL CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON ON 9/11, sorry for shouting but all those still buying the insane and innaccurate official story are getting tiresome. PLEASE CHECK WITH PROFESSIONALS, i.e. Pilots for 9/11 Truth, etc etc etc

[Oouthere]

Never said it did, I did say it was probably remoted in.

[jerry]

using wiki info in its self is your 1st problem end of story THANK YOU NUF SAID

[jerry]

All I want is to see the video footage and its a no argument scenario .

:eek: :( :focus: (The topic of this thread is the VT article.)

If you want, start a new thread titled, "Why I think the US government covered-up EVERYTHING about what really happened on 9/11 - except that a commercial 757 really did hit the Pentagon even if the damage on the face of the Pentagon is inexplicably way too small for a 757."

The only thing too small is the time ignoring analysis and actually looking at the impact area (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg).

[TargeT]

When a strongly held belief is challenged, the Fight/Flight/Freeze mechanisms in our brain are activated.

The person with the strongly held belief will NOT change their mind regardless of the information presented to them, they are in a physiological state of panic, short term memory is lost, all that is left is the DEEPLY seeded NEED to defend the idea as-if-their-life-depends-on-it.

When you get that "flush" of emotional charge while responding to a comment, you are approaching or already in the above described state; when you neurotically and circularly argue a topic, the above state is probably the cause. This is not something that is easy to observe in ones self unless the individual is used to introspection, its hard to see.

But you need to understand I've stood on both sides of the line. The complete "no plane" theory to a balanced approach that accounts for all aspects using only known technology. Truth is the most important thing, and I could not find truth in stating anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon. There is no way a person can be honest with themselves and explain the parts in a logical manner that is consistent with anything other than a 757 impact. Otherwise it would have already been done.

I find it hard to believe I am being accused of be illogical when no one here can explain away the parts.

Do you think my statements only applied to you?

[Cidersomerset]

That's a lot to address.

I have little faith in RV. If it were so accurate, the sun would have already
destroyed the earth and dozens of other predictions would have already came to
pass as given by Mr. RV (Ed Dames). Yes, some get a few things right but it is not consistent.
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No one knows what the standing order was with Cheney (by the way, I think the
is evil). The countdown could have been the intercept of the Shanksville
aircraft. There was a runway less than a minute away that normally had fighter
aircraft and therefore probably had anti-aircraft ground systems as well. So unless
you find the airman that did the countdown, you will not know what the reference is.

I personally believe Cheney and Rumsfeld both were part of 911 but only partial
information on something this important cannot be totally weighed in the negative.
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CNN no plane report - It looked like that at first glance, just when you dig deeper
that you find that multiple rings had been penetrated and people had airplane parts
land near their vehicles and laying on the lawn. One guy even said a missile, but all
of the dozens of other witnesses say it was an aircraft.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
April Gallop. I once held her in high esteem until things did not add up. How did
she exit a penetration hole that was burning? Then you find that army SSgt Braman
saw her exit a set of double doors that had blown open. His lungs were damaged
from the jet fuel that Gallop said was not present. She had a concussion and I have
seen numerous people with these while riding motocross. They cannot remember
longer than a few seconds, asking the same question numerous times in a minute.
She also tried to sue AA, so either she believes a 757 hit or she simply went for
money. Either way, she played both sides of the line.
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There's plenty of info showing large amounts of debris that exited the hole. It is up
to the person to believe or not, but at least a couple of the parts have been
identified to fit a 757.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rumsfeld acted suspiciously on 911, I believe he is guilty as sin. No argument
here, but no missile either.
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Stubblebine did great in his achievements but he's also a little off. He lost some of
my respect when he started banging his head on the wall while trying to walk
through it. But he's just wrong imo, the parts fit a 757, Purdue shows how the
impact played out, and the generator damage fits perfectly for a 757 impact.
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I'll finish this later.

It should of been the easiest thing in the universe for the government/ FBI to prove
that these planes flew into the buildings within days, like at Lockerbie , Ukraine
and 101 accidents and bombings . But nothing seems right about this from
the early witness's, odd media reports , whistle blowers , Firemen who were
there, reporting multiple explosions. The money trail from the Pentagon missing
trillions, The two Towers being bought just before. Who and what was based in
building 7, The missile hit just the right 'sweet' spot in the Pentagon to kill all
the adit/financial naval investigation personnel. Immediately blaming Bin Laden,
The Saudi , Israeli interests , the Neo -con agenda. and much much , more.

I know you know all this and are not questioning the bigger picture ? just the
delivery systems ? Which is valid. I go with a mixture of possibilities. In one good
doc many witness's report planes near the Pentagon and one.possibly flew low over
the building just prior to the explosion. Again with multi cameras that none were
either pointing in the fight direction or working which I find odd. We are in a 'Big
Bros surveillance state where most of the cameras don't work when 'Big Bros .
does not want the public to see the psyop, a lot of this would be slightly amusing if
it was not so tragic and resulting in millions of civilians being killed or mistreated
thru the 'police state ' policies pushed thru in the wake of the 9/11 coup/psop call it
what it you like.......


Two brave men ' Assassined ?' for speaking out strongly at critical
times in the UK trying to prevent the second Iraq war.....

http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/robin-cook-2.jpg



http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlV6KkpIgAA1R7_.jpg:medium

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Lives mean nothing to 'elites' it seems ......Not only in the west.

https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/zbigniew_brzzezinski-easier_to_kill_a_million_than_to_control_a_million.jpg?


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You don't need to answer this post , I'm letting off a little steam. I know you are
aware of most of this otherwise you would not be here.If real planes really were
flown into the buildings , probably by remote control, ,it changes nothing to the
strategic war planned by the Neo -cons for the new American century,the aim
among many with the Russia out of play for the short term, and the threat of China
undercutting world markets with their massive labour force and the fact they were
taking over large portions of Africa for aid for resources programmes.It was
imperative to keep control of the oil fields of the Middle East and the minerals
and drugs trade in Afghanistan as part of the CIA black project 'slush' fund. Also to
make lots of money for themselves and the big corporates , leaving the poor and
middleclass US citizen to bleed and pay the bill for the privilage of serving their
masters, no country.....

[Operator]

When a strongly held belief is challenged, the Fight/Flight/Freeze mechanisms in our brain are activated.

The person with the strongly held belief will NOT change their mind regardless of the information presented to them, they are in a physiological state of panic, short term memory is lost, all that is left is the DEEPLY seeded NEED to defend the idea as-if-their-life-depends-on-it.

When you get that "flush" of emotional charge while responding to a comment, you are approaching or already in the above described state; when you neurotically and circularly argue a topic, the above state is probably the cause. This is not something that is easy to observe in ones self unless the individual is used to introspection, its hard to see.

But you need to understand I've stood on both sides of the line. The complete "no plane" theory to a balanced approach that accounts for all aspects using only known technology. Truth is the most important thing, and I could not find truth in stating anything other than a 757 hit the Pentagon. There is no way a person can be honest with themselves and explain the parts in a logical manner that is consistent with anything other than a 757 impact. Otherwise it would have already been done.

I find it hard to believe I am being accused of be illogical when no one here can explain away the parts.

Do you think my statements only applied to you?

Except for a 'Thanks' I did not textually respond to that post but I agree with every word you wrote.
I think it broadly applies to most of us on this planet. Most of us have strong held beliefs. I noticed this
having one myself. I can't remember exactly where but in another thread/post I raised a red flag because
somebody said something about Apollo and the moon. But is it wise to stop listening altogether? There
still could be valuable info somewhere in there ...

We need to become aware of and detect when we switch from perceiving to judgmental. A difficult but
very valuable lesson in life.

P.S. Perhaps the movie Crash (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/) is a good example. You think you know how it is going to end but has lot of surprises.

[The Lawnman]

What we do know is in "most" cases when the USCORP commissions an "Official" report they rarely tell the truth. In my lifetime I've seen this happen too many times for them to have any credibility. (John F. Kennedy Assassination, Gulf of Tonkin, Bay of Pigs, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Waco Assassinations, Ruby Ridge Assassinations, TWA800, 9/11, Financial Crisis, 2008) The list goes on and on, too many to list. They (USCORP) can and do pull these events off without much problem because most people allow themselves to be programmed via. TV to believe what they're told by it.

[Curious77]

Bunker Buster suggestion is most likely, from inside.

Agree that this thread is a waste of valuable energy and time.

[jackovesk]

Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

I think the 'Headline' above' may need to be changed "Quick-Smart" after (Listening/Watching) this...:yes4:

MILITARY WHISTLEBLOWER REVEALS CIA AND SWISS BANKS FUNDING OF ISIS, AL QUEDA

Originally recorded live on the Project Camelot Livestream Channel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8Xm46s62I&feature=player_embedded&list=UU2na0DRywwQrXeodGmCt63Q
http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/31-kerrys-blog/2289-now-on-youtube-scott-bennett-interview

PS - :yes4: :noidea:

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[Cidersomerset]

I think the 'Headline' above' may need to be changed "Quick-Smart" after (Listening/Watching) this...

MILITARY WHISTLEBLOWER REVEALS CIA AND SWISS BANKS FUNDING OF ISIS, AL QUEDA

Originally recorded live on the Project Camelot Livestream Channel.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8Xm46s62I
http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog...nett-interview

This seems like a very good interview , I'm 45 mins in and must
make a comment on this point as it is something I have thought
about in all walks of industry , business and services like NHS etc..

He is talking about his boss Booz Hamilton , not letting him pass on
or develop information for the military until a new contract has
been agreed. He explains it better , but basically to hell with
it whether soldiers are killed or maimed.....'sign the contract'..This is
something that has always made me angry. He passed it on
anyway as he was older and not part of the old boys network,
or a younger officer that could be 'flobbed off' or ignored.......

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listening again , a lot is discussed so you need to concentrate...


He goes on to say how he upset his boss at Booz Hamilton and
was set up and jailed,where he met another whistleblower who
was set up and jailed. He goes into more details about this and explains
how most people who try to get out info are quashed. Even talking to
the press is dangerous as the CIA. intel agencies , elites have infiltrated
everything and explains why Snowden did what did because he saw
him and others arrested on false charges and jailed to keep them
quite or discredit them with a criminal record , or pay them off or suicide
them. All the spy thriller stuff that we knew/suspected goes on.

He acknowledges some of Wiki leaks info as being good from his point
of view and much more. He say he thinks Michael Hastings was assassinated
because he upset some of General Mc Chrystals people and was taken out by
a thermite charge in his vehicle.......

At one point they had proof that at least 19,000 accounts were being used,
this fluctuated all the time...Eric Holder. Hilary Clinton and many to players
are involved in this ....

I'm one and half in and broke off to do other things but definatley worth a
listen , if you get the chance..

[Oouthere]

At 12 minutes he still has not said anything other than letters have been sent and maybe ISIS has been funded by Swiss banks. He certainly puts out a lot of disclaimers.

If anyone has problems finding time to watch videos (like me), here's what is said up until about 40 minutes. He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet.

[Cidersomerset]

At 12 minutes he still has not said anything other than letters have been sent and maybe ISIS has been funded by Swiss banks. He certainly puts out a lot of disclaimers.

If anyone has problems finding time to watch videos (like me), here's what is said up until about 40 minutes. He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet.

I was looking to see if I could find any shorter interviews given by Scott, could
only find a segment from the above interview.......

Segment from the 3hr interview above talking how the
Department of Justice are showing potential ex prisoners
vids and literature about CIA / Mossad assassination
squads and other info over the last 50 years.......

PROJECT CAMELOT SCOTT BENNETT INTERVIEW SEGMENT

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[jackovesk]

At 12 minutes he still has not said anything other than letters have been sent and maybe ISIS has been funded by Swiss banks. He certainly puts out a lot of disclaimers.

If anyone has problems finding time to watch videos (like me), here's what is said up until about 40 minutes. He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet.

Not enough time to watch/listen to the clip I posted 'above'...((I Get It)) I'm time-poor too...:yes4:

WHAT I DON'T GET IS THIS....



He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet

Why even bother to make such a weak statement...:noidea:

This Project Camelot Clip with 'Bennett' certainly has some ground breaking ((Intel)) not only on who's funding ISIS, ISIL, IS, but nearing the end he goes over exactly what happened at the ((Pentagon)) on 911, who the players were & what was flown into the Pentagon (Nearing the 'end' of the clip)...:yes4:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8Xm46s62I
PS - So without listening to the clip in its entirety don't dismiss this Bennett's (Testimony) by merely stating...



He was in advertising and went into the army due to his abilities of understanding how the mind processes information. Still no real whistle blower information yet

That's just showing how (Lazy) some posters have become here at Avalon...:faint:

This bloke is one smart man who deserves to be :director: Heard)))))...:yes4:

Next time, be a little more careful with the ((Truth)) my friend if you want to be taken seriously...:yes4:

[Oouthere]

I probably should have elaborated a little more, but up until the 40 minute point there really wasn't much else said.

[Oouthere]

You may want to reconsider your opinion on Scott Bennett. I was 10 years air force and got to play security augmentee during excercises while at Incirlik AB, Turkey. You never suggest turning around and leaving after the security police tell you to step out of the vehicle, he did this twice. Being suspicious I found a report on line stating he was drunk and was arrested while trying to enter MacDill AFB.

The story is a pretty good read (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/impostor-shocking-military-base-breach), here is part of it:

"....After being booked in late-April on a DUI count, Bennett returned to MacDill, where he was met at the gate by an Air Force Police investigator, who sought to question him about the weapons found in his vehicle (MacDill residents are required to register firearms and ammo with the Base Armory). Bennett invoked his right to remain silent and denied permission to search his apartment.

However, after a military magistrate signed a search warrant, Bennett’s home was raided. Investigators reported finding “seven loaded firearms; approximately 9389 additional rounds of ammunition; numerous knives; brass knuckles; an electric stun gun; and a collapsible baton, in addition to other weapons and prohibited materials.” None of the material had been registered with the MacDill armory."

Bennett stated there is no time frame for registering weapons at MacDill AFB, this is from their website (http://www.macdill.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=18012):

"Weapons Registration
Persons residing in MacDill Bachelor Officer Quarters, Bachelor Airman Quarter, and Temporary Lodging Facility must register and surrender their firearms/ammunition to the Security Forces for storage in the Security Forces Armory immediately upon arrival on base. Personnel residing in the housing area may store their firearms and ammunition in their quarters."

He also said that the civilian court should not have anything to do with his case, but they do. At MacDill AFB the on-base housing is actually contracted housing and can be patrolled by either the military police or civilian police (assuming it is the same legal structure as other AFBs I have been stationed at i.e. Keesler AFB & Shaw AFB).

Bennett may have had outstanding information but he undeniably twists and changes facts to suit his needs.

[Cidersomerset]

Bennett may have had outstanding information but he undeniably twists and changes facts to suit his needs.

Exactly his point they either discredit you , buy you or kill you.

He maybe damaged goods now unfortunately ,but maybe another potential
whistle blower may see this interview and find a better way to disclose, maybe
having to go as far as Snowden. It is certainly a very cut throat dangerous world
they perpetuate.

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These articles go with Kerry interview , maybe it needs a separate thread.....


Leading German Journalist Admits CIA ‘Bribed’ Him and Other Leaders of the Western ‘Press’

new Wednesday 8th October 2014 at 08:16 By david-icke


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‘Udo Ulfkotte, a former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers),
has decided to go public about the corruption of himself and the rest of the Western ‘news’ media, because he finds
that this corruption is bringing Europe too close to a nuclear war against Russia, which he concludes the U.S.
aristocracy that controls the CIA wants to bring about, or else to bring closer to the brink.’

Read more: Leading German Journalist Admits CIA ‘Bribed’ Him and Other Leaders of the Western ‘Press’

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-bribed-leaders-western-press/

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Nomi Prins on fraudulent politicians vs. fraudulent bankers

Wednesday 8th October 2014 at 06:38 By david-icke

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Published on 4 Oct 2014


Although some Wall Street bankers have gotten away with criminal activity, Nomi Prins, author and senior
fellow at Demos, explains that bankers are still at more risk that politicians – like former NJ Governor
Jon Corzine – when it comes to fraud.

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Where does all this money come from ? I think we already knew about the CIA
drug trade and other slush fund operations over the decades. By coincidence the
movie The Good Shepherd was on BBC 2 last Saturday and it was very good
showing the rise of the CIA after being formed from army intelligence that
was formed with help from MI6 , which explains the closeness of US/UK intel,
which carried on thru the cold war until today. It starts in the aftermath of the Bay
of Pigs sponsored CIA disaster , and in flash backs charts the rise of 'mother'
from recruitment in Yale via the Scull and Bones fraternity . They show a sanitised
version of the induction ritual , which is still odd , then tell a good spy thriller.

It will be on the I player till this sunday , if you can get it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00plfj2/the-good-shepherd

The Good Shepherd
Spy thriller charting the life of the man charged with heading the CIA's covert
operations during the Bay of Pigs scandal. Starring Matt Damon and Robert De Niro.

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US spent billions to wage coup in Ukraine: Analyst

new Wednesday 8th October 2014 at 07:25 By david-icke

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/get-attachment-378-587x390.jpg



‘An internationally-reputed political commentator says the United States has spent
billions of dollars to engineer an “entire coup” in Ukraine.

“The US spent 5 billion dollars through NGOs to call for a revolution [in Ukraine]
which Russia has correctly identified as a war,” Mike Billington, with the Executive
Intelligence Review, said in an interview with Press TV.

The analyst went onto say that the US Assistant Secretary for European and
Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland is still in Kiev to manage the aftermath of
the “coup” and the ongoing chaos in the country.’

Read more: US spent billions to wage coup in Ukraine: Analyst




http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/07/381363/us-waged-entire-coup-in-ukraine/

[Cidersomerset]

but nearing the end he goes over exactly what happened at the
((Pentagon)) on 911, who the players were & what was flown into the Pentagon
(Nearing the 'end' of the clip)...



I've finally got to aprox 2.37 mins where he tells Kerry about the military drone
that flew into the Pentagon , in conjunction with external explosions which
murdered the naval accountants , and how Booz Hamilton has been infiltratedby
MOSSAD . Bin Laden and some info about him,he mentions The department of
justice and the bureau of prisons are giving released prisoner potential recruits
class's called 'Deep Black' the history of MOSSAD and CIA assassination and
money laundering drug operations over the past 60 years , and more he seems
genuine to me.......

Cheers Jack.....

[jackovesk]

You may want to reconsider your opinion on Scott Bennett. I was 10 years air force and got to play security augmentee during excercises while at Incirlik AB, Turkey. You never suggest turning around and leaving after the security police tell you to step out of the vehicle, he did this twice. Being suspicious I found a report on line stating he was drunk and was arrested while trying to enter MacDill AFB.

The story is a pretty good read (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/impostor-shocking-military-base-breach), here is part of it:

"....After being booked in late-April on a DUI count, Bennett returned to MacDill, where he was met at the gate by an Air Force Police investigator, who sought to question him about the weapons found in his vehicle (MacDill residents are required to register firearms and ammo with the Base Armory). Bennett invoked his right to remain silent and denied permission to search his apartment.

However, after a military magistrate signed a search warrant, Bennett’s home was raided. Investigators reported finding “seven loaded firearms; approximately 9389 additional rounds of ammunition; numerous knives; brass knuckles; an electric stun gun; and a collapsible baton, in addition to other weapons and prohibited materials.” None of the material had been registered with the MacDill armory."

Bennett stated there is no time frame for registering weapons at MacDill AFB, this is from their website (http://www.macdill.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=18012):

"Weapons Registration
Persons residing in MacDill Bachelor Officer Quarters, Bachelor Airman Quarter, and Temporary Lodging Facility must register and surrender their firearms/ammunition to the Security Forces for storage in the Security Forces Armory immediately upon arrival on base. Personnel residing in the housing area may store their firearms and ammunition in their quarters."

He also said that the civilian court should not have anything to do with his case, but they do. At MacDill AFB the on-base housing is actually contracted housing and can be patrolled by either the military police or civilian police (assuming it is the same legal structure as other AFBs I have been stationed at i.e. Keesler AFB & Shaw AFB).

Bennett may have had outstanding information but he undeniably twists and changes facts to suit his needs.

.................



but nearing the end he goes over exactly what happened at the
((Pentagon)) on 911, who the players were & what was flown into the Pentagon
(Nearing the 'end' of the clip)...

I've finally got to aprox 2.37 mins where he tells Kerry about the military drone
that flew into the Pentagon , in conjunction with external explosions which
murdered the naval accountants , and how Booz Hamilton has been infiltratedby
MOSSAD . Bin Laden and some info about him,he mentions The department of
justice and the bureau of prisons are giving released prisoner potential recruits
class's called 'Deep Black' the history of MOSSAD and CIA assassination and
money laundering drug operations over the past 60 years , and more he seems
genuine to me.......

Cheers Jack.....

No worries Cider...:thumb:

Couple more things on Bennett...

1. He was (Set-Up) & did a 3 year Jail stint

2. You only have to hear the 'Entire' testimony to know he's a true 'Patriot' and telling the (Whole Truth & Nothing but the Truth)...:wizard:

PS - The ((People)) must be made aware that almost the entire ((National Security & Spy Agencies)) across America have now been ((Privatised/Outsourced)) and therefore ((Unanswerable)) to Govt...!!!

[KiwiElf]

Bit of a sidestep, but in reference to post # 294, Here is the video from Udo Ulfkotte:

Disgusted Journalist Spills the Beans and Admits All the News is Fake!

yp-Wh77wt1o


A top German Journalist and Editor, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, has just gone public with some shocking admissions. He basically admitted what all of us who read the alternative media have known for a long time – the entire mainstream media is totally fake! He went into a very detailed talk in this video and spilled the beans about everything! He talked about how the CIA gets control over all of the major journalists. He is sick of the lying and decided to go public with everything he knows. He’s already had 3 heart attacks and decided he didn’t care anymore about what they would do to him! - Glenn Canady

[jackovesk]

Bit of a sidestep, but in reference to post # 294, Here is the video from Udo Ulfkotte:

Disgusted Journalist Spills the Beans and Admits All the News is Fake!

yp-Wh77wt1o


A top German Journalist and Editor, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, has just gone public with some shocking admissions. He basically admitted what all of us who read the alternative media have known for a long time – the entire mainstream media is totally fake! He went into a very detailed talk in this video and spilled the beans about everything! He talked about how the CIA gets control over all of the major journalists. He is sick of the lying and decided to go public with everything he knows. He’s already had 3 heart attacks and decided he didn’t care anymore about what they would do to him! - Glenn Canady


:bump:

Gotta start a Thread on this, the more people that see it the better...:yes4:

[WhiteFeather]

What a Helluva Guy and so Compassionate. Here's a photo shot/press kit of Mr. Donald "Duck" Rumsfeld at the Pentagon on 911 carrying out a victim from the Pentagon from that Missile that struck the Pentagon. Oops, did i say missile, my bad. :o. However I wasn't impressed. Seems that Macy's had more surveillance cameras than the Pentagon ehh?

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/flight77/claim/rumsfeld.stretcher.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/pics/9-11/pentagon_911-20.jpg

Did the retired 911 Commissioner just say Missile struck the Pentagon? You be the judge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRFvavH_vk

On 911,,,,,,This just about sums it all up, have a gander.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znfa6OMy_pQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Bn_CC_mrg


Some Extra Prizes, Here's a photo of The Three Stooges.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rumsfeld-bush-cheney1.jpg

[Oouthere]

I e-mailed military member that was at the Pentagon on 911, he had helped remove bodies and recover after the incident. I asked him to post here but he declined after stating that some people cannot be reasoned with. But for what it's worth, he was picking-up aircraft parts for a full day.

[waves]

I e-mailed military member that was at the Pentagon on 911, he had helped remove bodies and recover after the incident. I asked him to post here but he declined after stating that some people cannot be reasoned with. But for what it's worth, he was picking-up aircraft parts for a full day.

I emailed my best friend General Luser McBlowhole at the Pentagon who replied how amazing it was to actually see this gigantic commercial plane hit and how he courageously stumbled over burning plane parts and bodies to try to help. I post this only to do my part to offer valuable credible substantially substantial verification contributing substance.

I truly hope the world comes to understand how unreasonable it is to question the total absence of a hole anywhere close to the size of a commercial plane impacting ground floors of a brick building or anything close to the amount of wreckage that would have also existed outside. I'm sure the truth will prevail without the footage from the 100's of video cameras that photographed it.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

These individuals whom claim they saw or experienced the aftermath of the alleged plane should be placed in a series of psychological tests and a course of polygraph tests. IT DID NOT HAPPEN THE WAY THE OFFICIAL STORY SAYS. End of!

[Hervé]

Signs Under Attack! abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!! (http://www.sott.net/article/287531-Signs-Under-Attack-abovetopsecret-com-EXPOSED#)

Flasback Sott.net (http://www.sott.net/article/287531-Signs-Under-Attack-abovetopsecret-com-EXPOSED)
Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:34 CET

Some of you may have noticed that Signs of the Times [SoTT] was down three times today [Wed, 22 Mar 2006]. This was a result of threats by abovetopsecret.com's attorney to our website host. It seems that abovetopsecret.com finally could no longer stand the negative attention they were getting from our exposure of them as a probable CoIntelPro operation, initially in the form of Joe Quinn's article: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 - and Neither Did a Boeing 757 (http://www.sott.net/article/124500-Evidence-That-a-Frozen-Fish-Didnt-Impact-the-Pentagon-on-9-11-and-Neither-Did-a-Boeing-757) which is an analysis of the "catherder" article on abovetopsecret.com which essentially was support for Bush and the Neocon's conspiracy theory about the events of September 11.

After removing this "offending material", we published the letter from abovetopsecret.com's attorney on our forum. Within FIVE minutes, the Signs page was taken down again by the website host. When we called our server to ask "what now," we were informed that abovetopsecret.com's attorney had called again and was claiming that in the five minutes the forum posting was up, he had already received death threats because we had published his name and location! (which, incidentally, is freely available on the web.) We were forced to remove that information also, but you can read it here. It seems that abovetopsecret.com's attorney is also well-versed in the tactics of CoIntelPro.

As anyone who is familiar with copyright law knows, our rebuttal of the 'Catherder' article is perfectly legal under standard copyright law. However, abovetopsecret.com, like Bush and the Neocons, make up their own laws and enforce them with intimidation and bogus threats from their 'hired-gun' attorney. As Laura has chronicled on her blog, abovetopsecret.com's urgent demands that we remove this article because it was a violation of their "creative commons" copyright was absurd and simply evidence of their position as an active cointelpro/psy-ops propagator on the internet. It isn't copyrights that abovetopsecret.com is concerned about, it is Google bombing and running psy-ops (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209). And now, they have proven it.

This action also is highly suggestive of the idea that the Pentagon issue is a LOT more sensitive than anyone has thus far suspected! Do take note of THAT!

We hope that everyone who reads this will spread this information far and wide because these people are covert Bush supporters, Cyber Nazi Brown Shirts.

Don't worry, there will be lots more information on this matter available soon and we will keep our readers updated. Check back regularly, and it will help a LOT if you can find some spare change to put in the legal defense kitty.

See here for a complete analysis of the situation (http://www.sott.net/article/124496-Abovetopsecret-com-Project-Serpo-Psy-ops-and-the-Pentagons-Flying-Fish).

Thanks from the SOTT Team.

[Oouthere]

These individuals whom claim they saw or experienced the aftermath of the alleged plane should be placed in a series of psychological tests and a course of polygraph tests. IT DID NOT HAPPEN THE WAY THE OFFICIAL STORY SAYS. End of!

So basically every one of CIT's witnesses need to have a psychological exam? None of them stated it was anything other than a large commercial type aircraft or airliner.

[ThePythonicCow]

Signs Under Attack! abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!! (http://www.sott.net/article/287531-Signs-Under-Attack-abovetopsecret-com-EXPOSED#)

Flasback Sott.net (http://www.sott.net/article/287531-Signs-Under-Attack-abovetopsecret-com-EXPOSED)
Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:34 CET

...
This action also is highly suggestive of the idea that the Pentagon issue is a LOT more sensitive than anyone has thus far suspected! Do take note of THAT!

Indeed ... the very existence of this thread, here on the Avalon forum, over eight years after the above was posted, continues to show how critical is the coverup of whatever happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 of 2001.

[Mandala]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/02/911-update-more-proof-no-boeing-757-hit-the-pentagon/

9/11 Update: More proof no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon


by An Aeronautical Engineer (with Jim Fetzer)


“This article explains why high-speed flight in relatively close proximity to the ground [as for Flight 77] is virtually impossible – in any fixed-wing aircraft”–An Aeronautical Engineer

Among the most important proofs that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon is that the official trajectory — barely skimming the ground at over 500 mph and taking out a series of lampposts — is both aerodynamically and physically impossible.

I have argued in the past that it is aerodynamically impossible because ground effect would not allow a 757 flying at that speed to get closer than 60 or even 80 feet to the ground, where 80 feet is higher than the Pentagon at 71 feet is tall.

And it is physically impossible because the effects of a plane flying over 500 mph hitting a series of stationary lampposts would be the same if the plane had been stationary and hit by lampposts flying at over 500 mph: they would have ripped the wings open, where the jet fuel stored in them would have burst into flames and the plane could have cartwheeled across the lawn.

While I regarded my arguments as impeccable, I was faulted on the ground that “ground effect” would not make it impossible for a Boeing 757 to barely skim the ground, which led me to look further into the matter and discover that I had the right concept but the wrong name, where it is better described as “downwash”, as the technical study that follows explains in detail.

That was a benefit from participating in the thread on Truth and Shadows, “Gage concedes his entry into 9/11 Pentagon quagmire has been divisive”. But some of those who were participating displayed scant familiarity with the evidence, which Dennis Cimino and I have recently surveyed in our study, “Reflections on the Pentagon: A 9/11 Photographic Review“.

It also became clear that some students of 9/11 do not know the basics of “No Plane Theory” (or NPT, as it is sometimes called), which maintains that none of the official 9/11 aircraft–for Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175–actually crashed on 9/11. It does not mean that no planes at all were involved on 9/11, where the trucker buddy of a friend of mine from JFK research had told him that he had been in front of the Pentagon and watched as a commercial carrier flew toward it and then swerved over it, as I have explained in many places.

See link for complete in- depth article.

[Hervé]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/02/911-update-more-proof-no-boeing-757-hit-the-pentagon/

9/11 Update: More proof no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon


[...]

Hi Mandala,

I merged your thread with this one in order to keep most of the data pertaining to that hot subject under one roof, so to speak :)

[lucidity]

No plane hit the pentagon.
Most reasonably intelligent people, that have seen the evidence, either know this deep down,
or cautiously suspect this on evidential grounds.

Who really believes that a plan hit one of the Twin Towers and knocked it down in a fashion
that exactly resumbled a controlled demolition ? What are the odds of that happening?
And then... surprise, surprise... a second plan hit the second Twin Tower and knocked it down
in exactly the same way. What are the odds? And then.. mega-surprise-surprise .. a third
building fell down, again, exactly like a controlled demolition... and this one wasn't even
hit by a plane. Wow... what are the odds ?

Clearly, it's all bull****.

Authority with impunity = tryanny.

If there is an ineffective and/or corrupt justice system, unwilling and/or unable to render justice
for this criminal behaviour... then perhaps we have a need for an effective and impartial
system policing and sentencing.

There is no shortage of people accusing the US Authorities of attacking it's own people.
This isn't rocket science, the process is quite simple.
Find 12 honest reasonable human beings, perhaps selected randomly.
Present to them the evidence that the defendant willfully, with malice and forethought,
engineered circumstances to destroy Trade Towers 1, 2 & 7 and damage the perimeter
wall of the Pentagon.
Allow them to come to their own verdict.
Ensure that a documentary is made of these proceedings.
Publish the documentary.
Repeat.

Sentencing can be administered by others.

[Oouthere]

If none of the planes were crashed on 9/11, then show me the proof of air frames and serial numbers that are still buzzing around. Pretty simple to get a major reward for insurance fraud as the insurance industry would love to know this. The FAA, and lord only knows who else would have a major interest in this as well.

[aviators]

..... malaysian airline 370...... ahh still missing...

[Dennis Leahy]

This:
If none of the planes were crashed on 9/11, then show me the proof of air frames and serial numbers that are still buzzing around.is attempted obfuscation.

Truth seekers look at the evidence, and do not create a strawman argument as proof of anything. There is enough evidence to indict and convict responsible entities within the US federal government for deliberately, fraudulently, lying and covering up a crime. Actually, the bigger implication is that there is enough evidence to indict and convict responsible entities within the US federal government for treason.

Unfortunately, the same gang of criminals also controls the entire "Judicial"* branch of the US government, so no such indictment is forthcoming - it makes no difference how solid the evidence is.

*(The third branch of the US federal government is called the Judicial Branch, but until further notice, due to a lack of anything resembling justice from this department, the correct way to indicate this particular group of gangsters is to include the word judicial in quotes. Oh, and roll your eyes too.)

Dennis

[KiwiElf]

Two of the 9/11 airliners were never 'deregistered' and remained on the 'active' flight list until Sept. 28. 2005, the classification officially changing only a month after two inquisitive flight researchers made repeated calls to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), inquiring about the strange irregularity.

http://www.rense.com/general68/911h.htm

... and that's just ONE source (there are many more - google it).

The FAA are part of the draconian problem - ask any aviator in the US

[aviators]

I am waiting for Judy's Woods new book. ""Were did the airplanes go"
All kidding aside Perhaps they have a way to make planes disappear.
Not one black box was recovered or found working? Really!

[Oouthere]

So you are saying then that the insurance companies were also in on covering-up by paying off insurance claims? That's like saying the lotteries give away fake tickets of millions of dollars to cover-up they are crooked.

[Dennis Leahy]

So you are saying then that the insurance companies were also in on covering-up by paying off insurance claims? That's like saying the lotteries give away fake tickets of millions of dollars to cover-up they are crooked.This is speculation, trying to stuff more straw into the straw man. This is not evidence. Evidence would include a film of a jumbo jet crashing into the Pentagon, or expert witness testimony from aeronautical engineers stating that the real physics of a jumbo jet at near-ground altitude is completely inconsistent with the US government's fabricated tale.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am waking up a four year old thread ... but the following video is just too good a fit for this thread.

This video is a brief overview of Wayne Coste's research findings regarding the 9/11 Pentagon evidence, narrated by David Chandler.

I find it comprehensive and persuasive. It covers all the bases, all the points made for and against the case that a real Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

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The above video is just a 35 minute summary. The entire video series, over 3 hours long, is available at http://911speakout.org/wayne-coste/, and also on Bitchute at https://www.bitchute.com/playlist/BoyIN92QLxAc/

Summary: A Boeing 757 did hit the Pentagon.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Very interesting vid. Only problem I have, which pretty much trumps everything else, is a *real* Boeing 757 cannot fly north of 400mph at sea level, not without being ripped apart. Whatever hit the Pentagon, travelling in excess of 500mph, was not and could not have been, a regular 757, and thus probably not AA77. A pimped, military grade 757 lookalike maybe.

Of course an easy way to clear this all up would be the public release of clear surveillance footage from any number of CCTV feeds dotted all over the Pentagon approach and surrounds, which would definitively show an American Airlines 757 causing that impact. But as we know, ALL tapes were confiscated and classified. Personally I conclude that the impact was not therefore a regular American Airlines 757. All we have is a couple of blurry (and probably doctored) frames that show precisely nothing decisive in that regard. Red flags everywhere nearly 18 years after the fact, and nothing about that has changed for me.