wiki leaks shown to be insider disinfo release. (camelot should not be so hasty)

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

further to the content of wikileaks being a carefully crafted release , wether assange realises it or not he is being used. his comments on 9/11 and the information itself are bogus.. i hope camelot doestn go foir this and destroys itself in the process. i would not be welcoming any information from wiki leaks.

We applaud the release of documents and the sudden upswing they are having in regard to new "high caliber disclosures" (according to this article on CNN), from insiders in the government. We wish to extend our invitation to Julian if he needs help with any such disclosures and encourage a collaboration of our sites in this battle to get the truth out. (quote)

me thinks this is a pentagon ,alphabet soup op.

[jaybee]

his comments on 9/11 and the information itself are bogus..
.

What does Wikileaks say about 9/11 ?

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

assange said 9/11 truth was irritating (quote) "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." (quote) hes being fed disinfo , hes being used as a tool .. i think kerry needs to looks a bit deeper before quickly blurting out admiration for this chap and his "information". a collaboration with this conduit would only send camelot even further into the mire.. im assuming keery missed his 9/11 comments and has not hasd time to read some of the stuff due to being so busy.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-describes-possibility-of-casualties-as-acceptable-risk/story-e6frf7jx-1225906131241

[Agape]

To clarify, our specialty is dealing with whistleblowers and info coming from black projects with classification levels way beyond "top secret".

Dear Kerry, beyond the secrets ...there're still many more secrets...

:lol:

[jaybee]

assange said 9/11 truth was irritating (quote) "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." (quote) hes being fed disinfo , hes being used as a tool .. i think kerry needs to looks a bit deeper before quickly blurting out admiration for this chap and his "information". a collaboration with this conduit would only send camelot even further into the mire.. im assuming keery missed his 9/11 comments and has not hasd time to read some of the stuff due to being so busy.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-describes-possibility-of-casualties-as-acceptable-risk/story-e6frf7jx-1225906131241

Ta for reply...but...I can't find that quote....where exactly is it?

[Tommy]

I am also open for input on the motivations of wikileaks, but I need sources for your quotes and a more thought out presentation of the reasoning behind your views.

I am not saying you are incorrect, but I am also not saying you are correct if you get my drift.. If you could work out a detailed report referencing the sources and materials that leads you to your conclusions I would be more than happy to read it and perhaps distribute it (to affected parties and forums)

I certainly recognize your unease, but remember that even if Kerry is in contact she will certainly not follow blind on info, if you think that you do not know her well enough ;)
She is open to get info in the open for people to discern, but she is definitely also open to be prove something wrong.
Not her or my (or anyone else for that matters) job to discern for people, if people are to have any chance of survival (in general) they must discern and think for them self..

My thoughts at least :)

Thanks for sharing though, hoping for a more detailed report!

[Barron]

http://www.rense.com/general91/wiik.htm ........ Something Stinks About Wikileaks
By F. William Engdahl
8-11-10 article at above link.....

I concur with William Engdahl and have found his research to be spot on in the past.

[jaybee]

OK.....I got the quote myself. The Rense article (in above post) quoted the Belfast Telegraph....

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html


Here it is....



His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? "I believe in facts about conspiracies," he says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news." What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg conference? "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."


OK......now I understand that what I'm about to say is tantamount to heresy in conspiracy circles.....but....

What if he's right?

That the whole 'inside job' hypothesis is in fact cynical manipulation.... by some very clever, devious 'people'...who have influenced many genuine 'truthseekers'....?

(Put down those pitchforks...lol)

Confusion, chaos....divide and rule?

I very rarely get into talking about the 9/11 conspiracy...but I am annoyed that PPIM used Julian
Assanges thoughts on the matter to 'have a pop' at Kerry and Camelot.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

i wast having a pop at kerry and camelot in particualr jaybee, what im saying is what bill ;was saying a while back to be more careful with info. if you look at ewhat i wrote i said that kerry may have been too busy to notice the inconsistencies with assange. assange is knowingly or unknowingly a stooge. i like csamelot and dont watn to see another dan burisch type disinfo plot affect the work of this site again. as for 9/11 its moot really since we are in the middle of the desired outcomes of the 9/11 perps.

seeing terra you can access articles by wayne madsen, webster tarpley and mike rivero among others who right at the start were warey of assange and his funding and connections.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

bump,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Tommy]

Thanks for the keywords, I will check them out..

I went over a plausible wikileaks scenario, the most solid argument is to deem these leaks "a National Security threat", then they may proceed to control more of the internet.
However, I as many others have acquired knowledge while working in various departments in IT, one of the things this knowledge has provided me as many others is the fact that a "sub-net" is a very tricky thing to censor or block. E.G: If I really wanted to I could completely remove Project Camelot from the existing DNS grid and transfer it to a independent server, yes bandwidth would be somewhat slower, but it would be there at least.. Just wanted to throw this one in here as a little light in all the darkness we see these days in regard to these worries :)

[Rimbaud]

Tommy as ever is spot on with his point of view

Rimbaud

[jaybee]

PPIM.....I have to thank you for this thread....although I totally disagree
with you....:p


But it has made me look into the whole Wikileaks thing...which I hadn't done before.

It also made me look again at the 9/11 conspiracy....

I can now say that I definitely don't think that 9/11 was an inside job....and that
I agree with Julian Assange that it is a false conspiracy....


Here is a good interview with the aforementioned....

But I have to warn anyone clicking on this, that at 04:40 + there is footage from Iraq
and we see people being shot....which obviously isn't very nice, but it is an example of
the leaked, whistleblower material that Wikileaks is being given....


HNOnvp5t7Do


Goddess/God protect Julian Assange.....and keep him safe...:sad:

And everyone involved in the horrors of war....no-one should have to live like that
soldiers or civilians.....:(

Can't we humans just evolve a bit more and stop all the suffering and violence.....?

[Sabrina]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=20580&context=va

[Swami]

Julian Assange WALKS OUT Of CNN Interview


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange walked out of an interview with CNN in London.
Assange, who was being interviewed to discuss the 400,000 pages of documents WikiLeaks released about the Iraq War, grew upset when interviewer Atika Shubert asked about his personal legal issues. Assange was investigated in Sweden on charges of sexual abuse that were then dropped, but the investigation was re-opened shortly thereafter.

http://www.thebigwobble.com/2010/10/julian-assange-walks-out-of-cnn.html

[Carmody]

That's the thing about it, isn't it?

The problem is that the emotional origins of thought formation create a disposition toward desire of black and white answers and a fear of unknowns.

Thus, the introduction of even the slightest doubt is enough to derail the logic function in the face of any aspect of an unknown in any situation where we cannot form answers easily, due to lack of information (purposely held or otherwise).

Thus... one of the main thrust points of the PTB, is to hold secrets ---and create doubt.

Since information can be scarce on these subjects..and the subject at hand incredibly complex in some cases (Dan Burisch), then it is incredibly easy to insert the required doubt in the general mass of the public. They, the public.. regain their personal comfort zone by enacting a self created black and white truth upon the given situation..by calling it crap, delusional, etc.

Ie, in the face of unknowns, unable to form logic, the base system of the human mind is to reach out with the emotions first, trying to FEEL OUT the situation.

Even the words betray the mind's design.

[Martin]

Even if the whole "9/11 inside job thingy" would be a set-up what I do not believe it still counts as a conspiracy and therefor needs a new independent investigation. It is indeed easy to get very confused and or distracted by all the different information that is out there. But that is the idea behind controlling information nowadays. Divide and rule it is. So personally I think that anybody who does in any way promotes that 9/11 was or is not that important at all should be seen as either very poorly informed or as driven by -again- a secret agenda of some kind. As to wikileaks: if Assange really wants to put out the truth maybe it would not have hurt if he would had recognised that MM like the "New York Times" or "Der Spiegel" (in Germany) are in fact always did try their best at covering up every political theme spinning it as they seemed to fit. Therefor everything wikileaks does or will do should be closely watched.


MfG

Martin

[norman]

There a potential for a big row to blow up here and around the 'truth' forums regarding this Wikileaks phenomenon. If we insist on waiting for "PROOF" about anything we will wait a long time and reach a standstill on this just as we have on many other issues.

Even if we leave the guy's comments about 9/11 right out of the arguement there is very good reason to suspect that Wikileaks is being used to out flank the truth movement in general. It looks to me like a 'blind-side' manouver by the establishment. It effectively puts a bundle of sticks of dynamite under us all. The whole idea of whistleblowing and alternative agendas gets crunched up and trashed by this if they succeed.

In my view, we shouldn't be dawdling about whether he's for real or not, we should be putting as much daylight as possible between us and him.

[Martin]

You are absolutely right. Wikileaks could be a most dangerous wolf in sheep's clothing ready to be unleashed on almost anything there is.


MfG


Martin

[Luke]

Well, let's follow the money, shall we?
What are Julian Assange's goals? Blowing stuff up for blowing sake? Putting himself in power? Did he propose doing something creative? What makes him tick?
What makes tick The others involved in the project?

J. Assange's Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange)
From what I gather , we have in this case a guy that has been around, but usually on a fringe of what we call society. Man who has been hunted down by police on hacking charges. Man deeply involved in open source community. Involved in creating anonymizing systems. that paints quite coherent picture of a man fighting with "the system" .. maybe little too coherent. Such hackers are known to be broken and used by system itself.

But maybe, quote the man himself: (from his achieved home page) (http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/)

Sat 16 Jun 2007 : Everyone and no one wants to save the world
When the world extended to one's surrounding hills and mountains and over them was only legend, saving the world was approchable and a natural activity to all of independent character.

You do not need to justify the possession of these noble instincts. Such attributes are normally distributed. You have a constellation of these attributes and that makes you who you are. Recognise that the substantial ones are invariant.

You must satisfy your invariant instincts or you will be at odds with your own character. It is only when we are not at odds with our basic makeup that we can find life meaningful.

To exercise your instinct for saving the world, requires saving what you perceive to be the world.

Being modern, educated and wordly, the world you perceive is immense and this is disempowering compared to the valley world of your ancestors where your feelings were forged and where saving 10 people saved 10% of the "world"'s population.

Here lays the difficulty in actualising your character. Your perception is of a world so vast that that you can not envisage your actions making a meaningful difference.

People try to fool themselves and others into believing that one can ``think globally and act locally', however to anyone with a sense of proportion (not most people, btw) thinking globaly makes acting locally seem to be a marginal activity. It's not setting the world to rights.

To meaningfully interact with the world, you have to either constrain your perception of what it is back to valley proportions by eschewing all global information (most of us here have engaged on just the opposite course which is what has provoked this discussion), losing your sense of perspective, or start seriously engaging with the modern perception of the world.

That latter path can be hard to find, because it is only satisfied by creating ideas or inventions that have a global impact. Perhaps I have found one, and there's others out there, but for most people of your character a combination of eschewing knowledge of those parts of the world they can't change, and robust engagement with the parts they can is probably optimal.

Do not be concerned about when one is to do good, who defines good, etc. Act in the way you do because to do otherwise would to be at odds would to be at odds with yourself. Being on a path true to your character carries with it a state of flow, where the thoughts about your next step come upon waking, unbidden, but welcome.

I support similarly minded people, not because they are moral agents, but because they have common cause with my own feelings and dreams.
Worth reading if you want to at least glimpse man's mind :P

[norman]

If the PTB have recognised that the upswell of the truth movement has overpowered their normal means of moderation, what is their GREATEST ASSET ?

Their greatest asset is FACTS ( or you could call it THE TRUTH ).

Out here in the 'truth' community we have gained a structured command of the prioritising of what we know so far. We chew over and digest stuff and make the best sense we can of it. In relation to the majority of the less aware population we can command a decent argument etc etc..

The PTB probably recognised that we had a good case going that was bound to gather up massive following and support gradually and unstoppably. Bofin were deployed to assess the situation and come up with a plan to counter this.

The obvious weapon they have that is much bigger than ours is the FACTS they have that we DONT.

If they set about releasing huge amounts of facts that we have not previously chewed and digested they can outflank us effectively. The ball goes right back into their hands and they call the shots again. All we can do is stand there with our mouths wide open while they produce an avalanch of 'truth' and orchestrate that avalanche in such a way that they can lead the process wherever they want to take it and all we can do is watch it happen.

Julian doesn't have to be an operative on the end of a chain of command for that to be the case. It would very unusual if that were true. No, the key factir is the release of information. The PTB are in charge of that and Julian is just the vehicle.

[Martin]

That is basically what I discribed in my first post and yes there might be some truth (the word never gets old, doesn't it? :P) in it. But sadly you are also right about the fact that one can't do more than just "stand near by" and watch the things unfold on the stage that once again gonna be the MMs.


MfG


Martin

[shadowstalker]

theirs nothing wrong with wiki leaks, it just that the gov got smart and is using our curiosity against us now.
So yes we need to be very discerning about the info coming in.
They have 2 choices in the matter either shut down wiki leaks or send dis-info through.
Shutting it down would have been to obvious, don't you think?

[norman]

They have 2 choices in the matter either shut down wiki leaks or send dis-info through.
Shutting it down would have been to obvious, don't you think?



Well I guess that makes it 3 choices then, because it's probably not disinfo so far. It's more like grabbing the ball and running off with it. They have so much 'info' they can make the info they do leak through wikileaks set to the info agenda. I'm quite sure they can allow for most of that info to be basically genuinly the real stuff. It's just that the sensationalism around each chapter of the wikileaks saga is under THEIR control again.

And don't forget that the leaks recently have had the effect of 'justifying' a demonisation of Iran and Pakistan!

[Fredkc]

Perhaps they are dis-info.
Or perhaps the notion they are dis-info is dis-info.
Or maybe the notion it's dis-info is actually counter-dis-info, so you'll not think it's dis-info.

You see, once you go down this road... wait.... that reasoning could also be dis-info.
Carry on!
Fred

[shadowstalker]

Well I guess that makes it 3 choices then, because it's probably not disinfo so far. It's more like grabbing the ball and running off with it. They have so much 'info' they can make the info they do leak through wikileaks set to the info agenda. I'm quite sure they can allow for most of that info to be basically genuinly the real stuff. It's just that the sensationalism around each chapter of the wikileaks saga is under THEIR control again.

And don't forget that the leaks recently have had the effect of 'justifying' a demonisation of Iran and Pakistan!

Yup I was thinking on that as well

[Carmody]

A recent article at the 'Independent" website on the latest from wikileaks..In the comment area for the article.... something that you could not have published 2 years ago... and would have practically (if not actually) put you on a watch list:


"I have no respect for the Criminals and alphabet agencies running our countries here in the West, and probably elsewhere. At the end of the day, they do the bidding of their Corporate Masters, who in turn are owned by the Fractional Banking Cartel. These people are morally bankrupt, and most of the brainwashed public cannot seem to understand this. Nobody can possibly claim, "we are a civilized peoples." The Corporation has destroyed the Nation State, and it is the Fractional Banking Cartel that wins."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/assange-defends-leaks-and-says-more-will-come-2115113.html

[Carmody]

Perhaps they are dis-info.
Or perhaps the notion they are dis-info is dis-info.
Or maybe the notion it's dis-info is actually counter-dis-info, so you'll not think it's dis-info.

You see, once you go down this road... wait.... that reasoning could also be dis-info.
Carry on!
Fred


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio

[Luke]

(...)The Corporation has destroyed the Nation State, and it is the Fractional Banking Cartel that wins.(...)
Funny, because last time I checked, Nation State was creation of banking Cartel, when idea of state united by divine king started to be guillotined ... and then was used for all wars in second part of XIX c and world wars later... which allowed for creation of military-industrial complex and the like :P

Another example how good observations culminate in wrong conclusion, derived from backup plan from system. This is how "truth movement" is played all the time, and still is blind to it ...

[3optic]

Back to the topic at hand..

Wiki leaks would not be the first controversial source PC has contacted. It's often forgotten that most of the sources and info in this biz have to be sifted through and there are no sure things. It would be foolish for Kerry and Bill to avoid Wiki Leaks just because of 9/11 views. Not everyone keeps up with the Alex Joneses..

[Ahkenaten]

A number of good commentators publicly state they do not believe 911 was an inside job or conspiracy but more than likely they do so for very pragmatic reasons......................remember the shocking 360-degree turn about in the public opposition to the Iraq Invasion post-911 by Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf, for example? What else could explain his incredible reversal in his views than, that - perhaps - he had received a call or visit from someone who said some things to him in no uncertain terms that he, a family man, could not ignore. There are tried and true methods of converting one's opponents to one's point of view, especially in a police state. The fact that Wikileaks founder states that he does not believe 911 was an inside job doesn't necessarily remove him or the leaks project from the credible source list. On the other hands our reality being a carefully contrived admixture of science-fiction with bits of truth sprinkled in, there is no getting around the fact that we are thrown back upon our own resources....................we have no experts or authorities to rely upon but ourselves in our efforts to discern the truth.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

me thinks this is a pentagon ,alphabet soup op.

This is a very negative disinformation thread, Pineal ~ it is your truth ~ of that I have no doubt or question and is therefore legitimate to you and that's for sure; but some of us know different ~ those of us who are awake and have our third eyes functioning well. Bless you for your illusions, sweetheart! May you grow ever stronger in the light of a new day of truth and honesty and being able to discern the difference. My happiest regards to you, darling! Wikileaks is the hero of the day and nothing anyone says can change that reality. As always, you are welcome to try... And so it is... xoxox