Alex Jones is OK/Assange is in trouble

[Nickolai]

OK, people,

Please come with the ideas why this is happening. Why the Mr Big Threat (Alex Jones) is having no trouble to call all the government of the States, the UK and other countries names and still is having tele business, ok, selling goods, travelling to Bohemian Groove and other places while the WiKi guy is in the serious trouble.
Because he posted the secret materials. Well. I would say that the Alex calls names the president of the country, screaming for a national responses to defend the country and there is no slightest response from the state. Youtube channel is closed? Well, he still has Infowars...)) For how many years he is on? Any serious troubles we don't know about?

Bill recently said that whistleblowers job is very dangerous for they can pay the highest price -their life. Alex is not afraid, is he?

Actually what I can say from watching some of his lately, he is not even bothered...))

And please that does not go with me that the Alex is such an odious peron that no one can make any harm (please, kindly keep in mind, that Nickolai is good willed person but just ****ing curious).

That just does not make sense. No way. Not now, Assange is much more popular and really made the difference to the world.

Same I could not ever understand about Icke. Excuse me, the person who officially call the Queen names and a reptile is still in the UK? Seriously? No trouble? Interviewed?
But it's a bull*, wrong? Seriously?

Any sheeple (Am I? ) would ask you questions like this. Any thinking sheeple!

And about the sheeple! That's the very arrogant thing to say about people, Just my opinion. Especially, keeping in mind how often so well-informed people post things incredible, without any proof whatsoever. But everything that is told by those people is eaten and forgotten.

Please sober comments are highly appreciated.

Nickolai

PS And I know the AJ theme is a big no-no, taboo. I don't care, I just want the answers for probably I want myself to stop being sheeple...)))

[Nickolai]

Sober comments? What is this?

What I mean by insober one (I once got it for my question):
Nickolai, the Powers That Be can not dare to touch Alex because he is so incredibly popular in world...

Why I consider it insober? Because, alas, Alex is not that popular in the world. In the US - might be. In UK, - ok! In Australia- OK! But not so much in the world.

I explained

[modwiz]

Assange is just distraction drama. His 'leaks' had a purpose for his employers. Even Brzezinski saw that he worked for intelligence. He has enemies, but they aren't as powerful as his friends.

[ThePythonicCow]

The typical successful parasite does not adapt to some idealized sterile host, but rather adapts to the more typical host that has a functioning immune system. The parasite learns to ignore (and be ignored by) portions of that immune system, and leverage or mutate to its advantage other parts of the hosts immune system.

The parasite of human civilization which I like to call The Bastards in Power have learned to adapt to a civilization that includes the like of David Icke and Alex Jones. That parasite has even adapted to the presence of a Julian Assange, though in a more restricted way, with Assange in house arrest, or now confined to an embassy.

But that is a rather vague and general answer. The question you're asking, as I take it, is how have the predator bastards adapted such that they take advantage of David Icke's or Alex Jones' presence.

That question I don't have clear words to answer, just the usual "alternative media" platitudes.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Assange would be considered credible as he has built a reputation on being a serious jernolist. Alex jones , an ex wrestler , is a sensationalist. He makes his mark from selling over sensationalised banter and fear porn. yes he does expose a lot of stuff , yes its actually really good info if thats the type of thing you are interested in. However his credibility is sketchy at best.

His reportage actually benefits PTB . Assange definitely puts a spanner in their works. But it wouldnt surprise me one bit if both were employed by PTB back end kook programs.

Lets clarify some things

In order to hide stuff its best to put it right under our noses. Truth sprouted by a " kook " is the best way to do this. then sprinkle dis info and confuse people by diseminating it by " reputable " news reporters and what do you have ? A lot of people confused and not knowiung what to believe in. While they are kept in a constant state of confusion, numbed by toxification in food and water supplies , they can get onto their task of Absolute ownership and slavery dictatorship. They see this as a solution because in their eyes we have become un palletable. And in some cases i can see why , but most of the ugly situations in the world are from gross miss management of power and greed , ego , evil etc.

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the movie here is called Roswell , in it is a very accurate description of how they use and manipulate information. scroll to 1 hour 11 minutes t about 1 hour 15 minutes.. it will illustrate how they go about things.

Hope this helps

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[Nickolai]

Well,

I totally agree that the whole Assange story could be false. I just feel compassion to the story.
On the other hand I think that the sory could make a new page of our history. We will see?
I have just watched the video on another thread dedicated to AJ and was once again astonished by the sheer negativity that comes from the man, absence of any cultural skills of communications to the same like (humans). It really just blows my mind, how bad this person is. I do not care what he says but what he is and that is so obvious.
One does not have to know English to be blown away by the low energy.
I have no idea why he is so popular.

Nickolai

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Assange is just distraction drama. His 'leaks' had a purpose for his employers. Even Brzezinski saw that he worked for intelligence. He has enemies, but they aren't as powerful as his friends.

Sometimes I think he is MK

Sometimes I think he IS CIA

Sometimes I think this guy is a false pin up for the truth - kind of like the way they roll...

Glad I'm not alone thinking this guy is suspect and BTW he denies ANY 911 truth - that speaks volumes to me...

[modwiz]

Assange is just distraction drama. His 'leaks' had a purpose for his employers. Even Brzezinski saw that he worked for intelligence. He has enemies, but they aren't as powerful as his friends.

Sometimes I think he is MK

Sometimes I think he IS CIA

Sometimes I think this guy is a false pin up for the truth - kind of like the way they roll...

Glad I'm not alone thinking this guy is suspect and BTW he denies ANY 911 truth - that speaks volumes to me...

It screams volumes to me.

[Magnus]

My personal understanding of the interacting factors at work:

Alex Jones doesn't focus too much on anything specific other than to be extremely broad and deep in his research and information which he is also very good at saturating with hatred, though his information is often, basically very good.

Alex Jones efforts attracts and entertain a wide range of different mindsets, an audience in wich there is enough variation of actionable paths and mixed personalities to overwhelm the average Joe to a degree where he's becoming a rather indecisive hater chasing his own tail, and thereby AJ is a minor threat to the PTB as his efforts isn't likely to accumulate enough momentum to make any damage.

On the other side of the fence we find Assange who has become a distinct threat to the PTB due to his narrow turns, solid evidence, his determination and the application of strategically focused force and last but definately not least the exponentially growing threat generated by his popularity.

The combination of all this factors (and more), makes Julian Assange a tremendous danger to the PTB while he is an equally important asset to politically persecuted nations as well as the uprise of the global truth movement.

[nottelling]

Why is Alex Jones allowed to happily shout at the Bilderbergers with a bullhorn infront of an adoring crowd and go home every night to count his money?

Why is Assange under siege in a foreign embassy after being accused of sex crimes?

Both say they are fighting against TPTB.

Why is one ignored and the other pursued? Why is Assange more of a threat to "them" than Jones?

[gripreaper]

Alex Jones always "colors within the lines" so to speak. He always references mainstream news sources for his content, and he has the "end of the world as we know it" hyper attitude, placing himself at the apex of the Infowars. Just that title alone means it's divisive instead of unitary.

After a few weeks of listening to his radio show, I find myself wanting to dive under the bed just when the light switch clicks. He sure knows how to tickle the fear gene.

[spiritguide]

The missions of each mentioned is different and has different effects on the subjects addressed in their messages. Jones uses hypnotic repetition to emotionally excite one with slightly misleading info mixed in with known corruption. Jones asks his audience to donate and buy if they like his style of mind numbing repetition. Icke shares what he has learned in a straightforward manner and asks his audience to think and do for themselves given the situation. Assange just got downloaded info and spread it out to the masses with no conjecture about the data, just hidden communications from behind the screen. Jones uses emotions to excite into stupor, Icke uses reason to excite into self awareness,and Assange's group just distributed hidden communications that might expose officials for what they really are. Our minds are constantly being played with by those in power and there are so many double blinds at play for the control that one must truly step outside of the conditioning at play to analyze any of it. IMHO

[Siberia9]

If you look into Assange, you will find out that he was raised inside a cult in Australia. An obvious CIA front for mind control. They druged the children with LSD and did all kinds of experiments on them. Most of Hitlers scientists went to work in this field and so its no surprise that this cult has been connected to the Nazi ideals or to the CIA. Once you are involved in these people it sticks with you your whole life.

I grabbed this statement about it off one google search for example.

"When Julian was 8-years-old, his mother, Christine, married a member of "The White Brotherhood" - aka "The Family" or San­ti­nike­tan Park Asso­ci­a­tion, a private psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of Melbourne Australia."

"In the 1960's-1980's, the Santiniketan Park Association received CIA-Sandoz LSD-25.
The psychiatric hospital was part of a New Age colony with about 200 members. They were all professionals: psychiatrists, medical doctors - 25% were nurses - lawyers, and ranking civil servants and social workers."



Assange is doing his job and is playing the victim, thats my vote.

[nottelling]

If you look into Assange, you will find out that he was raised inside a cult in Australia. An obvious CIA front for mind control. They druged the children with LSD and did all kinds of experiments on them. Most of Hitlers scientists went to work in this field and so its no surprise that this cult has been connected to the Nazi ideals or to the CIA. Once you are involved in these people it sticks with you your whole life.

I grabbed this statement about it off one google search for example.

"When Julian was 8-years-old, his mother, Christine, married a member of "The White Brotherhood" - aka "The Family" or San­ti­nike­tan Park Asso­ci­a­tion, a private psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of Melbourne Australia."

"In the 1960's-1980's, the Santiniketan Park Association received CIA-Sandoz LSD-25.
The psychiatric hospital was part of a New Age colony with about 200 members. They were all professionals: psychiatrists, medical doctors - 25% were nurses - lawyers, and ranking civil servants and social workers."



Assange is doing his job and is playing the victim, thats my vote.


For sure.

Assange is a verified member of the family of nutjobs known as the "Family" (of nutjobs) as described here in his own words -


When Assange was eight, Claire left her husband and began seeing a musician, with whom she had another child, a boy. The relationship was tempestuous; the musician became abusive, she says, and they separated. A fight ensued over the custody of Assange’s half brother, and Claire felt threatened, fearing that the musician would take away her son. Assange recalled her saying, “Now we need to disappear,” and he lived on the run with her from the age of eleven to sixteen. When I asked him about the experience, he told me that there was evidence that the man belonged to a powerful cult called the Family—its motto was “Unseen, Unknown, and Unheard.” Some members were doctors who persuaded mothers to give up their newborn children to the cult’s leader, Anne Hamilton-Byrne. The cult had moles in government, Assange suspected, who provided the musician with leads on Claire’s whereabouts. In fact, Claire often told friends where she had gone, or hid in places where she had lived before

Source: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/06/07/100607fa_fact_khatchadourian?currentPage=all

[nottelling]

Oh wait... it says...


...he told me that there was evidence that the man belonged to a powerful cult called the Family...

and


The cult had moles in government, Assange suspected, who provided the musician with leads on Claire’s whereabouts. In fact, Claire often told friends where she had gone, or hid in places where she had lived before

Meh. Close enough.

[TraineeHuman]

Assange is mainstream, and a journalist and publisher, and so he doesn't state conclusions or inferences beyond anything the evidence he provides. He therefore influences all journalists. This tends to create at least a small leak in the dike.

The elite rely on the press to feed us mostly pure misinfo on any important issues. If they ever lose their vice-like grip on the press, they know it will be all over for them. That's why they're so frightened of Assange.

[ghostrider]

If the ptb draw attention to Alex by moving against him in any way , it would been seen as HEY there must be some truth in what he is saying to the masses. Assange has the goods, on paper about all the dirty laundry , even if it is sanitized , it's hard for the the sleepers even the deep ones to ignore it, we don't believe anything unless is has a government stamp and considered an official document , just like disclosure , some want to government to come clean, but do you need a document by a politicain to know something you already know ? just my two cents worth.

[The Arthen]

It could be because the more insane you sound, the more the PTB assumes you're not a threat. Whatever it is - things will probably look more and more like a group of bandits who have no choice but to band together for the time being.

Complacency has its microscopic wonders.

You can in fact use complacency to your advantage with anything. Question is - is your advantage gonna work, or not? And even if it does - is it good for the biggest picture you can best possibly fathom?

[Andreash94]

:yo:i say icke and jones are desinformers .. i think even project avalon is starting to be a bit desinfromant :| all craps i see whit OH MY GOT IN 2 dAY ALIENS WIL COME AND SMELL OUR ASS .. just sayn im thinkin to leave project avalon

[Nickolai]

Dear Andreash94,

I see what you mean. And I do agree with you.
Same thoughts come to my mind.

Warm regards,

Nickolai

[Maunagarjana]

Assange is just distraction drama. His 'leaks' had a purpose for his employers. Even Brzezinski saw that he worked for intelligence. He has enemies, but they aren't as powerful as his friends.

Sometimes I think he is MK

Sometimes I think he IS CIA

Sometimes I think this guy is a false pin up for the truth - kind of like the way they roll...

Glad I'm not alone thinking this guy is suspect and BTW he denies ANY 911 truth - that speaks volumes to me...

It screams volumes to me.

How do you know that isn't a position he takes purely for strategic purposes? For you, being a 9/11 truther is the hallmark of credibility. But are you his intended audience? For a lot of people, being a 9/11 truther means they will dismiss everything you say.

[Prodigal Son]

In order to really get a handle on who is damaging the PTB and what information it is that they consider a real threat, one only needs to go back and look at the mysterious deaths of the insiders and whistleblowers. Exposing or threatening what, exactly, has gotten people killed?

a. The Fed/banking scam
b. The alien agenda

Some names off the top of my head:

William Cooper, Phil Schneider, Barbara Marciniak, William T. McFadden, John F. Kennedy.

Alex Jones doesn't really talk much about those two things, does he?

Also, the way the power pyramid is structured, those on the lower levels will be sent to the slaughterhouse once the agenda of those at the top comes to fruition. Even high-up insiders like Hitler and Napoleon were not clued into the real purpose of what they were directed to do, and were betrayed in the end.

It's the invisible rulers at the top who need to be taken out, and once that happens, humanity will be freed from tyranny. There aren't many of them, but its a question of getting to them.

[ljwheat]

IMHO, Jones - Ike - Fulford - Limbaugh - Main stream News media - Politicians - anyone bringing up Drama,-- jumping up and down arresting our attention keeping us looking out hear at the matrix,-- are all on the same side of there fence.

This side of the fence you have Bill Ryan, Wayne Dyer, Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra, the list is greater on this side of the fence for the bringers of self empowerment and stability inside oneself away from the Drama unfolding in the world outside of us.

John xoxo

[Nickolai]

Dear Prodigal Son,

Thank you for reponse.
I inclined to think that at the current level of consciousness pushing away so-called Shadow Government will not change much. For sure, for a time being things will look brighter, lighter and smiley.
But you see current human understanding dictate its rules. New rulers in power will start find their enemies, trying to get more power probably declariring different principles. But the picture will stay the same.
There need to be a change in the way people see each other, relate to each other. And once done, that will change the whole picture as a whole.

Nickolai

PS And another thing... Somehow I think (I might be wrong) the humanity needs a really trmendous shaking event to unite people. When one would not care about ex-PTB or otherwise, and only recognize human that needs help or could be asked for help. That's the real Unity in my understanding.

[wynderer]

Hi Nikolai --

in response to your post below, a prophecy of Edgar Cayce's came to mind -- the quote below is from a Jeff Rense article:

In this first short example, Cayce - in the 1930s - indicated the 'sins' of the key nations:

America - has forgotten "in God we trust"

England - conceit

France - lust

China - isolationism

India - internalization of knowledge

Italy - dissensions

He said "Russia will become beacons of hope for the world."

when i was in your country, a number of times i met some of your fellow countrymen & women, & would think to myself, 'I did not know there were such pure souls in this world'

your post sounds to me as coming from that same place -- that mysterious & intriguing [to this westerner] Russian soul

w/respect, wyn

edit to add link to full article

'Russia - The Hope Of The World'
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_cayce_5.htm


Dear Prodigal Son,

Thank you for reponse.
I inclined to think that at the current level of consciousness pushing away so-called Shadow Government will not change much. For sure, for a time being things will look brighter, lighter and smiley.
But you see current human understanding dictate its rules. New rulers in power will start find their enemies, trying to get more power probably declariring different principles. But the picture will stay the same.
There need to be a change in the way people see each other, relate to each other. And once done, that will change the whole picture as a whole.

Nickolai

PS And another thing... Somehow I think (I might be wrong) the humanity needs a really trmendous shaking event to unite people. When one would not care about ex-PTB or otherwise, and only recognize human that needs help or could be asked for help. That's the real Unity in my understanding.

[Prodigal Son]

Assange is just distraction drama. His 'leaks' had a purpose for his employers. Even Brzezinski saw that he worked for intelligence. He has enemies, but they aren't as powerful as his friends.

Sometimes I think he is MK

Sometimes I think he IS CIA

Sometimes I think this guy is a false pin up for the truth - kind of like the way they roll...

Glad I'm not alone thinking this guy is suspect and BTW he denies ANY 911 truth - that speaks volumes to me...

It screams volumes to me.

How do you know that isn't a position he takes purely for strategic purposes? For you, being a 9/11 truther is the hallmark of credibility. But are you his intended audience? For a lot of people, being a 9/11 truther means they will dismiss everything you say.

Very interesting comment. I'm an avid reader of the ArmageddonConspiracy website, filled with enlightenment and it all rings very true to me, and yet, these guys who claim to be "illuminated" are still sticking with the Osama/Tim Osman 19 hijackers ridiculous nonsense, and they use it to bash Islam. I don't think they do it for the purpose of anyone dismissing what they say, because they make it very clear that they don't give a flying crap what anybody thinks about them. It's really too bad for them because it makes them look stupid to the very audience they're trying to attract.

Another aspect of 911 is this: As most of us here are aware, the PTW are kept on a leash by benevolent ET's and are not allowed to do everything they plan to do. They've been trying to get their "New World Order" since the days of Prescott Bush and the Business Plot. It seems that 911 was allowed to happen as the catalyst we need for change. It has outraged a lot of people in very high positions of power, and it is so incredibly obvious that it was an inside job if people would only look at it objectively without the media bias and mass mind control. I really do believe that they made a big mistake, one that will lead to their end.

[geofffxdwg]

I think they are both rats.Jones has a majority of people that the elite fear the most blindly submitting to his every command.That is the teenager to about 25 years age group.The elite have two rituals that are always included in any type of agenda they green light.The first ritual is always to tell us what they have in mind before they start doing it to us.The second ritual and more important is whatever evil they plan to inflict on us they always have an angle in which we pay them out of our pockets to inflict whatever it is on us.We not only pay for the cost and materials but we also pay much more because they can't stand it if the overhead is more than 30%.They always mix much truth in something such as wiki leaks along with many reputable people most people trust while they set us up so we blindly submit without realizing whats really happening until its to late or never realizing it at all.Its very easy to see what camp Jones is in.Look at his wealth,his guests and basically his lies.He always says a lie and says "we broke that story 4 years ago,google it and you will see I'm right" I did on one show where I google at least 6 subjects and he was wrong everytime.Look at people he disrespects.The very same people that have had millions murdered for much less.If he wasn't working for them he would have been gone along time ago.Assange is the only person I know who can sit in a jail cell in England and still have a new press release carried worldwide by cabal media central every three hours for the entire time he is incarcerated.Its not to hard to see what camp they are from. Pretty much everything Cabal central covers or pretends to not cover is ritual number one being set up.Jones turns on his so called buddies at the drop of a pin.A real back stabber you can't trust.Now where else and who else has the exact same way of doing things.Thats right the elite global back stabbers.

[geofffxdwg]

Perhaps a tremendous happy positive event that leaves the cabal shaking.They don't like it when any of us are happy.

[Nickolai]

Thank you, Wyn!

:)

[Nickolai]

Perhaps a tremendous happy positive event that leaves the cabal shaking.They don't like it when any of us are happy.

Dear geofffxdwg,

Thank you!
I have a different poit of view.
In my view if we follow the PTB kind of reality then they do their best to make people happy, sad, angry, irritated....bla-bla-bla, anything they can to make us out of our center. They succeeded 100% FOR NOW.
People are distructed at the best.

Warm regards,

Nickolai

[Nickolai]

Look at his wealth,his guests and basically his lies.He always says a lie and says "we broke that story 4 years ago,google it and you will see I'm right" I did on one show where I google at least 6 subjects and he was wrong everytime

Wow! I did not know he is that easy to get..)) Then he is oriented for people who blindly trust his words and too lazy to check what he says. I am speechless!
Is he really wealthy? I mean I am here have no slightest idea.

Out of context a bit. You know, when I see this guy he reminds me a teenager of HitlerJugend, same blond hair, same hairstyle, who all of a suuden appeared out of past, aged but still the same..))With the scent of Hitler himself, nearly fainting because of his hysteria.

Warmly,

Nickolai

[Cidersomerset]

I know what you mean Nickolai .....Why do some activists get away with saying almost anything like Alex Jones, David Icke,Kerry and others....
and Julian Assange ,Gary McKinnon.and others are persacuted jailed or killed ?? I don't know the absolute answer , there may not be.
Some of the answers given already maybe valid !! I 'm still not sure ? All these agencies and Power brokers seem to like playing games
with our lives so it could be that it suits there agenda for some researchers to throw out wild accusations to the mainstream view,
So when the time is right, dicredit them publicly. Or use them as examples like Gary McKinnon or Julian Assange ,Bradly Manning as Hacktavists
& cybor Terrorists. New terror words , to scare the public.....

I don't know if some are mind controlled or disinfo agents ? Its something we have to be aware of as we look at all this info ??

I just saw this on David Ickes site and I think illustates some of what you ask . Alex is calling on a local CBS TV station and
discussing with the host and a guest the rest is self explanitory....He is more restrained than on his own show....

_sCvGrOe_2Y

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/71117-us-troops-to-get-new-headgear-for-homeland-security-operations

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-troops-to-get-new-headgear-for-homeland-security-operations/

[geofffxdwg]

Unfortunately I know you are absolutely correct but I was kind of using a little dry humor and wishful thinking combined.Thank you Nickolai

[Nickolai]

Thank you, man!
I agree with and I look in this direction.
The point is that I am evaluating much stuff, in the process of it anyway.
Unfortunately, I have to admit that I find myself deluded in many ways. Alas! But again that's great that I started to recognize it...))

Thank you very much, Cidersomerset!

[Camilo]

With the whole world watching the Assange soap opera delivered by the media, anything that is said about what may or may not happen to him is pure speculation. Kudos to the government of Ecuador which is taking a stand against the the Empire that still believes rules the world.

[Nickolai]

Camilo,

If you would be in his place, would it be a soap opera? I guess not.
Any proof that the whole whole story is disinfo? Are you sure that this guy is disinfo agent?
Please prove it then.
Otherwise it is just bla-bal-bla!

There would be no furum if anyone would post the comments like this.

Awaiting,

Nickolai

[araucaria]

@nikolai, @andreas

Hey guys, you're thinking of leaving the forum because there is a certain amount of disinfo on here? I think that is a very good reason for staying!

If ever the disinfo merchants got to chase everyone else away, they would have won. Just stick around, do your thing, don't waste your time arguing with them, this is the way to clean up the forum. :)

[modwiz]

Assange is just distraction drama. His 'leaks' had a purpose for his employers. Even Brzezinski saw that he worked for intelligence. He has enemies, but they aren't as powerful as his friends.

Sometimes I think he is MK

Sometimes I think he IS CIA

Sometimes I think this guy is a false pin up for the truth - kind of like the way they roll...

Glad I'm not alone thinking this guy is suspect and BTW he denies ANY 911 truth - that speaks volumes to me...

It screams volumes to me.

How do you know that isn't a position he takes purely for strategic purposes? For you, being a 9/11 truther is the hallmark of credibility. But are you his intended audience? For a lot of people, being a 9/11 truther means they will dismiss everything you say.

I share what I see. After that my conscience is clear. Navigate as you see fit.

Do I know? I know that his intended audience does not include me.

[Magnus]

@nikolai, @andreas

Hey guys, you're thinking of leaving the forum because there is a certain amount of disinfo on here? I think that is a very good reason for staying!

If ever the disinfo merchants got to chase everyone else away, they would have won. Just stick around, do your thing, don't waste your time arguing with them, this is the way to clean up the forum. :)

Those who are able to recognize trolls and disinfo have a responsibility towards fellow members and guests.

Arguing is not fun, but if there is an argument about the truth, know that the truth is always worth being protected. In the end, truth will always prevail!

Things like this can be heavy to carry on with, but if we try and fail, at least we have tried.

[geofffxdwg]

Nickolai, I would not say so much he is a disinfo agent because his purpose is to stress people out and if they are already stressed out then his job is to raise that stress level higher and keep everyone wound up tighter than a drum.That is exactly what he does.Stress out and sell out.He gets people to protest and what happens? The cops get to break in their new night sticks.Stress levels go up and stay up long enough to last until he comes up with next way we are getting a raw deal and why everyone should be mad as hell. Occupy the fed.While he is occupying a hotel suite yelling at his teleprompter effectively raising the stress level of all his little info warriors.If he really was sincere I doubt he would have a wife and children or even friends for that matter.Alex Jones, the eternal bummer of life, he hates everything he does or what everyone else does.He earns his money almost the same way those wrestlers do yelling and screaming all the time.He was short changed by the good lord himself when it comes to having any class what so ever.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Its a PTB trait to leak un essential secret information. Stuff that s of no use to their time lines and indeed most times the info leaks have great benefits.

Can you tell me this, if a US president can stand and give a speech about the truth behing whats going on and get whacked then why are these guys allowed to run wild? Its because they are doing their job.

If you want truth read a comic strip, its more factual that most news.

Oh and dont forget to enjoy life. Remember smile, drink,eat, laugh, have sex, rinse, repeat.

[grannyfranny100]

Assange has a mixed history but what I find interesting is two things:
1. he has developed a new way for whistleblowers to reveal information that USA mainstream media doesn't cover.
2. he scares our government enough that they want to try him for treason and he isn't even a USA citizen.
Thus I do not write him off.

[Nickolai]

Just got it in Facebook:


Former British Ambassador Craig Murray: ‘We Need Whistleblowers Now More Than Ever’

Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a whistleblower, delivered a speech in support of WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange just before Assange gave his speech from the balcony of the Ecuador embassy in London.

“We should not foreget what this is about,” he began. “This is about the persecution of an individual who has made life much more simple and more productive for whistleblowers in the Information Age and in an age where, as Western governments become increasingly authoritarian and civil liberties are diminished, we need whistleblowers now more than ever to protect the rights of others.”

He highlighted how WikiLeaks had not only shined a light on the illegal war in Iraq but also revealed “individual war crimes carried out withing that war.” They’d shown how governments had colluded on the rendition and torture of individuals. To Murray, there was a parallel.

“I blew the whistle on torture and extraordinary rendition and the collusion of the CIA and MI6. I was in consequence immediately charged with extortion for sexual purposes and blackmailing people into sex in exchange for British visas.”

He said it took him one and a half years to clear his name of those charges because “they routinely charge and try to beat up whistleblowers and that is what is happening to Julian Assange just as it happened to me.”

He mentioned the case of Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, who blew the whistle on the fact that “she had seen documents signed personally” by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorizing torture at Abu Ghraib. The “very next day” she was charged with shoplifting.

Whistleblowers or dissidents are always “immediately charged with offensives which don’t relate to whistleblowing at all.” Why is this? Because in the United States, in the United Kingdom and now, apparently, in Sweden, “just as it seems to always happen in authoritarian and totalitarian countries, dissidents are not charged with political offenses. They are fitted up with criminal offenses.”

“How likely is it that when I was engaged in a bitter struggle, an internal struggle with my own government that were trying to sack me over the torture and I was trying to prevent the use of torture, did I then think, oh, that’s a good idea. I’ll go and bed someone tomorrow while I am in the middle of this. Was Julian Assange, while conducting the campaign of WikiLeaks, so distracted that he decided to get into incidental and coincidental criminal activity?” He also asked if Rumsfeld would be exposed as a man who authorized torture by Karpinski only to have her the very next day “pop out” and engage in “shoplifting.”

“Only our disgustingly, complacent and spoon-fed mainstream media would accept such a narrative for one single moment. It is obviously to nonsense to anybody with half a brain,” he added.”

And, to the British Foreign Office’s threat against the Ecuador embassy by the UK, he said it was but another example of the “total abandonment of the very concept of international by the neoconservatives that are currently ruling the former Western democracies.” He recounted his experience as a British diplomat and suggested if police were sent into the Ecuadorean embassy to get Assange they would be subject to Ecuadorean law for committing crimes.

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PS And as I see it after reading, the number of those brave souls, the whistleblowers, is growing.
Intersting times indeed.. In this context, it really does not matter if Assange is disinfo-agent or not, it is the effect on people that counts.
The very fact that the ex-British Ambassador is a whistleblower and gives a speech, just minutes before Assange, shows me a lot. And I feel good...))

I wanted to ask spanish speaking friends to kindly sum up what it's all about:

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Thank you,
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Nickolai

[Camilo]

Camilo,

If you would be in his place, would it be a soap opera? I guess not.
Any proof that the whole whole story is disinfo? Are you sure that this guy is disinfo agent?
Please prove it then.
Otherwise it is just bla-bal-bla!

There would be no furum if anyone would post the comments like this.

Awaiting,

Nickolai

Nickolai,

Read my post again. I never said he was a disinfo agent. I said the way media portraits him is a soap opera. If anything, I think he's an advocate of free press. Besides that, this is a forum for people to express what they think or believe, regardless who likes it or not. That's what makes it a forum.

[Nickolai]

Camilo,

Sorry!
I misinterpreted what you were saying.

Warmly,

Nickolai

[Olam]

Its simple to me, the 'truth' movement, AJ, anyone else talking as well as all of us here are still very marginal in a society. We definetly have not reached the 100th monkey yet and so they could not care less I think because the major part of civilization is very much still a slave and asleep.
Assange bothers them much because his stuff makes the daily "news" and can very much affect popular thinking.

[norman]

When I heard Assange was diving for cover at the Equador embassy my red flag popped up.

Over a year or 2 I've heard such a lot of good stuff about how Equador is a really good place to head for at this troubled time, and the list of reasons is out there.

Then suddenly, Mr 'victim' Assange, himself, get's Equador embroiled in a diplomatic fight and a raising of awareness in the MSM etc.

Errrrr........... funny thing that?............ don't you think...?

[geofffxdwg]

I'm not convinced, Assange has to many ties to the Rothschilds
“We should not foreget what this is about,” he began. “This is about the persecution of an individual who has made life much more simple and more productive for whistleblowers in the Information Age and in an age where, as Western governments become increasingly authoritarian and civil liberties are diminished, we need whistleblowers now more than ever to protect the rights of others.” I would not like the idea of whistle blowers blowing there whistles directly to the Rothschilds without realizing it. see http://www.puppet99.com/?p=1 It would really defeat the purpose of whistle blowing world wide in the worst way.It would make life much more simple and more productive for those trying to stop whistle blowers.