What Are You Afraid Of, and Why?

[Kindred]

This topic came to mind due to the recent thread entitled “The Economic Collapse”, and the implications that such a scenario could possibly bring forth.

That item, when combined with all this discussion surrounding such topics as “Horus-Ra…, Drake, Warning from NASA scientist, etc, etc,”, it becomes plainly obvious that, even among the ‘enlightened’ (which I like to include most here on PA), the majority remain woefully ignorant of the teachings handed down through the millennia in many cultures and teachings, most notably espoused by Jesus.

That is the teaching of the ‘body’ as being but a temporary vessel for the Spirit, so as to allow for both The Experience of Creation, and the accumulation of Spiritual Knowledge, which is the Reason for ALL Existence.

That, Individually, we Are Infinite, All Powerful Beings, and Collectively We Create that which we call “Reality”, and Ultimately, We Are All One.

So, this ‘understanding’ begs the Question: What Are We Afraid Of??? Death??? Why???

If we KNOW that our Spirit simply ‘moves on’ to another body by which to gain New Knowledge, Why do we try and hold on to our current Temporary embodiment With Fear and Trepidation of the Inevitable?

Now, I’m NOT advocating anything like suicide… that, in itself, is neither an answer nor a solution for Anything. In fact, it causes great harm, both to the Spirit of the individual, but also to those with whom they are close, particularly children.

It seems to me that much of this Fear, is caused by Our Social Training which has been promoted by TPTB down through the ages. To keep us ‘looking outward’ for the Next bogyman, regardless of it’s nature. They have also promoted Fear of ‘The Other’, in every form imaginable; Race, Color, Religion, Geographical location, Sex, Status (economic, social, professional, etc.), Physical ability/disability/differences, ad-nauseam.

THEY have used these tools of Divide and Conquer for millennia, and, unfortunately, most of humanity has ‘bought into’ these false paradigms. THEY have been Most Successful in this training, as we can see all the Disunity, Fear, Distrust, and Hatred that’s engendered across the social spectrum.

So, I ask you, to ask yourself… What Are You Afraid Of? And WHY?

These are tough questions for most to answer Fully and Truthfully. Many of the reasons for these fears are deeply embedded in our psyche and personalities as a result of our ‘training’.

I did see that there was a thread which began in November, 2010 titled “Are you afraid to die?”, which included a poll.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8118-Are-you-afraid-to-die&highlight=afraid

The results of that poll are as follows:
No – 70.74%
Yes – 4.79%
Unsure – 4.26%
I'm not afraid to die, but of HOW I will die – 20.21%

It would be an interesting follow-up to see the results of such a poll Today, given all that has transpired over the course of the last few years, and particularly so given the approaching so-called ‘end date’ of 21-12-2012. Yes, I know it is Not ‘The End’… more like a Transition.

I would hope that there would be a change in these numbers, but, perhaps not… which would be the point of such a poll to See What We’ve Learned.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[bogeyman]

This is a interesting question. You are a product of your past, probably for me, not been able to move forward, not being safe or put in a situation relating to some situation in the past. But I am aware I am being guided and protected to some degree.

[ghostrider]

I look forward to death , this body and this earth is heavy. I'm ready to go not in a suicide way but, just I'm okay with leaving this world to explore the next, earth doesn't make sense anymore. If you think about it, the purpose of life is death, all roads lead to death, every human races to the end ... I look at it like a transition, the point of life is to experience and then to transition...

[bogeyman]

Our body is just a learning curve. It is a most difficult form of existence though.

[Kindred]

the purpose of life is death, all roads lead to death, every human races to the end ... I look at it like a transition, the point of life is to experience and then to transition...

I would suggest that the purpose of 'death', is to Begin a New Life... and New Lessons. In this, the term 'death' has little meaning, at least in terms of what we've been Taught.

Yes... a Transition. That is All

In Unity, Peace and Love

[ghostrider]

maybe death is the birth of the transition, would be a better way to look at it. The doorway to the real.

[RunningDeer]

Two thoughts:

I'm afraid that polls like this will be used against us. We are saving the 'ptw' research dollars and energy. I mean no disrespect nor is this a judgement. It's just the way this mind seems to work these days, Kindred.

Personally in terms of death, I will embrace the whole experience. I'm recalling more and more these days of what death really was/is for me: an infinite blissful orgasms because there was no fear - only a welcomed invitation.

This was posted by Anchor:


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Calz/rebirth.jpg

[WhiteFeather]

We live forever. No need to be afraid.
The Laws Of Thermodynamics (http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/biobk/biobookener1.html)
Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change its form.

[Pam]

I also look forward to death. As ghostrider so beautifully stated this body and earth experience is "heavy ". During the economic downturn due to massive, corrosive corruption and the ptb's agenda I found myself full of fear as I watched my 401 diminish among other things...It was a horrific fear of loss..I began to visualize the possibility of having nothing, no job, no money, no home.I really considered the possiblility of that life..Eventually I was comfortable with it.. Amazingly, the all invasive fear was gone...Don't get me wrong I still have other fear at times but it is not a dominating force..I recently had a excruciating tooth ache..I really tried to be in a state of acceptance with the pain and I was not able to maintain that....

[WhiteFeather]

If you have listened to The Seth Materials. Seth states that there is no difference between life and death. Consciousness is similiar. The death consciousness is an easier consciousness than the living consciousness. Just a thought!

"The characteristics of consciousness are the same whether you are in a body or outside of one. The peaks and valleys of consciousness that I mentioned exist to some degree in all consciousness despite the form adopted afterdeath. The nature of your consciousness is no different basically than it is now, though you may not be aware of many of its characteristics. "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RIOK_BlEw&feature=related

[Kindred]

Two thoughts:

I'm afraid that polls like this will be used against us. We are saving the 'ptw' research dollars and energy. I mean no disrespect nor is this a judgement. It's just the way this mind seems to work these days, Kindred.

Personally in terms of death, I will embrace the whole experience. I'm recalling more and more these days. And it was an infinite blissful orgasms because there was no fear - only a welcomed invitation.

This was posted by Anchor:


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Calz/rebirth.jpg

Yes, I can agree somewhat with your assessment - by the same token, I thought it would be interesting to see if there were any changes to the general consensus among a group that, in some estimation, is more 'enlightened and aware', than those in the 'general population'.

Now, whether this small sampling is relevant to the larger population, that is another question entirely, and for obvious reasons, there's no vehicle for determining the ratio from this 'population' to the overall population. And this says Nothing relative to a large portion of the world where this method of communication is unavailable. I also strongly suspect that 'they' have other methods, Far more accurate than this rather insignificant poll.

All that said, I do find it of interest that, as of now, the overall numbers are right in line with what the other poll suggested, with a slight variance.

Rather than anybody (yet) to say that they are 'Unsure', there have been None - the portion of the previous poll that picked that item have now 'moved' to the 'Yes' column. It will be interesting to see, first, if this thread lasts 'long enough' to get a valid 'statistic', and secondly, what the final poll numbers are.

And, again, Yes.. I saw that item from Anchor a while back as it was sent by a friend via e-mail... rather humorous ... That'd be 'the way to go'!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Arrowwind]

The collective Seth material tells all in my estimation, or about as much as we could comprehend while here on earth for most of us.

Seth says that fear comes when we feel that we are getting cut off from completing goals that the oversoul has set up for us that we are aware of on a deep level and as well from not understanding the nature of our personal reality.

[Wind]

I am not afraid of death, in fact I see it only as a normal cycle of life. There is no death, it's just metamorphosis. I embrace it.

Of course I hope that I will not die painfully like I may have died in many of my earlier lives, but that is not for me to decide.

What I am afraid is... Fear. I don't know how to explain it, but I don't want to be afraid of being alive. I guess that it's just a life lesson for me in this life...

[Frogweaver]

The me that is afraid is not really me. Fear is an illusion, and the fear of death comes only from the psyche which is there to protect the body, and therefore will struggle to hold on to living even if it is an illusion. But you asked in respect to each of us individually, so it must be that we respond as an individual. And I'm sure all psyche's (minds) have different reasons as programmed by the ego as to why they are afraid to die..the truth is that the ego can not accept itself as the product of an illusion, and so it works against the spiritual mastery, until the spiritual master - masters it. Then there is no illusion of death.

[Kindred]

We live forever. No need to be afraid.
The Laws Of Thermodynamics (http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/biobk/biobookener1.html)
Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change its form.

I find it funny and interesting when anyone with an 'engineering degree' doesn't 'pick up' on that basic law, relative to our Spirit. Just like the fact that 'they' say that perpetual motion is 'impossible'... well... just look out your window and see the Sun, the Moon, and the stars are moving 'perpetually'.... (well, the Earth, and everything else). Can't see the forest, for the trees.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Dennis Leahy]

My greatest fear (oh geez, I hope the NSA and CIA are not reading this) are that the entire ruling class of planet Earth, and all of their minions, and all of their soldiers will board vast ships and leave for another planet - leaving us to fend for ourselves.

:~)

Dennis

[RunningDeer]

Two thoughts:

I'm afraid that polls like this will be used against us. We are saving the 'ptw' research dollars and energy. I mean no disrespect nor is this a judgement. It's just the way this mind seems to work these days, Kindred.

Personally in terms of death, I will embrace the whole experience. I'm recalling more and more these days. And it was an infinite blissful orgasms because there was no fear - only a welcomed invitation.

Yes, I can agree somewhat with your assessment - by the same token, I thought it would be interesting to see if there were any changes to the general consensus among a group that, in some estimation, is more 'enlightened and aware', than those in the 'general population'.

Now, whether this small sampling is relevant to the larger population, that is another question entirely, and for obvious reasons, there's no vehicle for determining the ratio from this 'population' to the overall population. And this says Nothing relative to a large portion of the world where this method of communication is unavailable. I also strongly suspect that 'they' have other methods, Far more accurate than this rather insignificant poll.

All that said, I do find it of interest that, as of now, the overall numbers are right in line with what the other poll suggested, with a slight variance.

Rather than anybody (yet) to say that they are 'Unsure', there have been None - the portion of the previous poll that picked that item have now 'moved' to the 'Yes' column. It will be interesting to see, first, if this thread lasts 'long enough' to get a valid 'statistic', and secondly, what the final poll numbers are.

And, again, Yes.. I saw that item from Anchor a while back as it was sent by a friend via e-mail... rather humorous ... That'd be 'the way to go'!

In Unity, Peace and Love

Hi Kindred,

My post above demonstrates the paradox I'm experiencing. This self-contradition is healthy for the moment. It gives me pause to see which is driving this body, heart-mind or ego-fears. With that said, the thread is an opportunity for people to speak of feelings such as fear, they can transcend rather than stuff them. And for the guests, it is a place for them to begin/continue their discovery and/or rethink some outdated ideas.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[gripreaper]

When I am stimulated by an external source in regards to my survival, my soul wants to pull up my root chakra and distance itself from the body, while my body goes into the adrenaline "fight or flight" response.

So, for me, instead of marginalizing this energy and attempting to sequester it, judge it, and then discharge it based on a belief in fear, what I now do, is recognize the sensations associated with this energy, and not label it "fear" but intention that my root chakra ground, breathe through the adrenaline response, meditate into the beliefs surrounding the judgment of fear, and center and connect this energy into unity.

Thus, I get the benefit of the energy without the discharge and the weakening of my life force. That's the long way of saying, I don't fear. Fear causes my energy to be ascending from my etheric body, which looks just like the smoke from a campfire which is going out and starving for fuel. That's when the energy vampires start circling around and start to suck off my field.

Fear is a construct of a programmed system of scarcity designed to vampire your life force based on certain archetypes and judgments. The unity consciousness is about abundance, eternal being, and experience as indicated in the OP. Thanks Kindred for being so eloquent in your explanation of this.

[edit] I don't know how well this will work in an apocalyptic scenario with millions of starving people roaming the streets, with guns going off all around me, dead bodies laying everywhere decaying, and no transportation or electricity, with the entire infrastructure of the planet shut down.

I don't think anyone does. Ever see the movie "The Road"?

[normam2]

We live forever. No need to be afraid.
The Laws Of Thermodynamics (http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/biobk/biobookener1.html)
Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change its form.

Honest to "Source" , whitefeather! The things you say make me think we've been twins on some other life. That same thought is the exact thing I think about when I think about "evidence" for life after death. I mean honestly why go to the trouble of creating/being if you are just gonna destroy it. Makes no sense to me.

I mean no physicist could argue with that premise, what are we if not energy! . The Law of thermodynamics might as well be the foreword for the bible... HA!

To answer the question:

I am afraid of never being satisfied with the answer to the question "Why there is a source/eternal consciousness at all? '

Infinitude of possibilities that could have resulted out of 'nothingness' or it could have stayed as nothingness and yet here we are. WHY?? How can there even be 'space' in the 'nothingness" to be/expand/evolve??? How can you have the answer= space , before you formulate the question=birth of consciousness??

IDK it just bugs me.

Isabel

[ulli]

My greatest fear (oh geez, I hope the NSA and CIA are not reading this) are that the entire ruling class of planet Earth, and all of their minions, and all of their soldiers will board vast ships and leave for another planet - leaving us to fend for ourselves.

:~)

Dennis


Mine too. We can't take away their ladders just yet.
Your reply made me think of this:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSE6Q4LIWEQaNBHLHFH9v-FjVV_Z_1aIJI0B9izz06anronj4d-qQ

[ulli]

I'm afraid of lots of things. Sometimes even of crossing the road, especially when I'm in San Jose, capital of Costa Rica, where they drive like manics.
Not so much in Barbados where they are so courteous that they stop the instance they see a white person approaching the curb.
Little do they know that I'm not a tourist here.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSG68xTvdaUXtneKBBkyD7KAogdtsw0QQc-5Cnbl6CUAeN9uRns

I'm also afraid of burglars, rapists, lawyers, dentists, undertakers, police and reptilians.
But most of all I fear the great herd thinner above the clouds.

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/2851771/sn/88248101/name/Thinning-The-Herd.jpg

[christian]

I do process my fears (http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-tools/33-ascension-tools/105-fear-processing-exercise.html) and intend not to get into new fears. But if I was afraid of anything, then of being weak and giving in to egotistical behaviour and of beauty being destroyed or not being able to unfold itself because of all this war and turmoil. Life is so hard for so many people here on earth, there is so much suffering and I'm afraid of not doing enough to help them or of being a cause for their continued suffering to some degree as I still am a part of the matrix in many ways. I don't wanna mindlessly give into attitudes and behavioural patters that help to perpetuate the current system, where people are meant to be enslaved and controlled. The struggle on earth is only getting more intense I feel, and I pray that I will be able to hold my balance and to support as many people as possible, to help to empower them so they can take care of themselves and of others.

[Kindred]

To answer the question:

I am afraid of never being satisfied with the answer to the question "Why there is a source/eternal consciousness at all? '

Infinitude of possibilities that could have resulted out of 'nothingness' or it could have stayed as nothingness and yet here we are. WHY?? How can there even be 'space' in the 'nothingness" to be/expand/evolve??? How can you have the answer= space , before you formulate the question=birth of consciousness??

IDK it just bugs me.Isabel

normam2... I hope what I offer here is of some insight. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11580-The-Key&p=123308#post123308
Please know that, while the words were typed by me... I did Not 'create' this item... I was Directed in doing so. I cannot put it any other way.

There are forces beyond our limited comprehension, both for good (working For All), and 'evil' (working for the Ego). I do feel that one of the benefits of meditation, is that with the right Intention and Focus, one will be driven to The Light, and not the darkness.

Be the change you wish to see in the World... (Gandhi)

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Kindred]

I do process my fears (http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-tools/33-ascension-tools/105-fear-processing-exercise.html) and intend not to get into new fears. But if I was afraid of anything, then of being weak and giving in to egotistical behaviour and of beauty being destroyed or not being able to unfold itself because of all this war and turmoil. Life is so hard for so many people here on earth, there is so much suffering and I'm afraid of not doing enough to help them or of being a cause for their continued suffering to some degree as I still am a part of the matrix in many ways. I don't wanna mindlessly give into attitudes and behavioural patters that help to perpetuate the current system, where people are meant to be enslaved and controlled. The struggle on earth is only getting more intense I feel, and I pray that I will be able to hold my balance and to support as many people as possible, to help to empower them so they can take care of themselves and of others.

Yes, I feel much as you do christian... and I also find myself doing much as gripreaper does when faced with that 'fear scenario'. Recognize the source of the fear, understand where is originates, and then process it. And, yes, the 'fight or flight' response is mostly 'automatic', and plays a significant part of day-to-day life. It's difficult to eliminate decades of programming, overnight.

I do feel that we can 'overcome' much of what is being 'taught' in the 'alternative news' arena, as well as the MSM news-stream. But, as noted above, we need to first, Be Aware, then to Process our Reaction with Understanding.

Just part of our Lesson here in 3D

It does give me pause to wonder if, indeed, there was a major power outage, in such a fashion that ALL power devices became 'dead'... and tptw can no longer sell their programs to the masses via the tell-lie-vision, or do their 'microwave mind control'- what would the eventual outcome be?

And, not to forget, they Too become limited in much of what They do... would They survive? Or, have they become so 'soft', that they would psychologically 'fall apart' once faced with having to actually 'work' to live?

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Kindred]

If you have listened to The Seth Materials. Seth states that there is no difference between life and death. Consciousness is similiar. The death consciousness is an easier consciousness than the living consciousness. Just a thought!

"The characteristics of consciousness are the same whether you are in a body or outside of one. The peaks and valleys of consciousness that I mentioned exist to some degree in all consciousness despite the form adopted afterdeath. The nature of your consciousness is no different basically than it is now, though you may not be aware of many of its characteristics. "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RIOK_BlEw&feature=related

WOW... I had Not heard of, nor seen this piece before... I've only gotten to the 1:30:00 mark, but this is an amazing narration and source of knowledge. Far too much to speak to at present. There's going to be a LOT of 'processing' for this one!

Thanks So Much for bringing this forward Whitefeather ! Much Peace and Love...

In Unity, Peace and Love

[RunningDeer]

If you have listened to The Seth Materials. Seth states that there is no difference between life and death. Consciousness is similiar. The death consciousness is an easier consciousness than the living consciousness. Just a thought!

"The characteristics of consciousness are the same whether you are in a body or outside of one. The peaks and valleys of consciousness that I mentioned exist to some degree in all consciousness despite the form adopted afterdeath. The nature of your consciousness is no different basically than it is now, though you may not be aware of many of its characteristics. "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RIOK_BlEw&feature=related

WOW... I had Not heard of, nor seen this piece before... I've only gotten to the 1:30:00 mark, but this is an amazing narration and source of knowledge. Far too much to speak to at present. There's going to be a LOT of 'processing' for this one!

Thanks So Much for bringing this forward Whitefeather ! Much Peace and Love...

In Unity, Peace and Love

I couldn't wait for the next Seth book to come out. Was very different from my self-help and philosophy books.

[Frogweaver]

My greatest fear (oh geez, I hope the NSA and CIA are not reading this) are that the entire ruling class of planet Earth, and all of their minions, and all of their soldiers will board vast ships and leave for another planet - leaving us to fend for ourselves.

:~)

Dennis

I don't want to criticize your fears. But it seems like an incredible lack of faith that you would fear the enemy, and actually feed their power by giving them too much credit. these so called minions are really humans like us who want love, also like us. That they do evil is not because they have more power, but less.. then less reason to be afraid of them, and more reason to help them..if one can not forgive and love them, then this means one must forgive and love themselves. God takes care of his children, for we are all God, and fear of the dark side is fear of the dark side of your self.

:angel:

[Jules]

This is a interesting question. You are a product of your past, probably for me, not been able to move forward, not being safe or put in a situation relating to some situation in the past. But I am aware I am being guided and protected to some degree.

I think being put in a situation, there is a choice maybe not at the time, but at some point. Someone may fool you into a choice, and when you become awake and really choose, there lies the issue. Jesus said ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34. Those that are not given a choice, are given a sword against one that would cause division for a good man or woman or being. Sometimes people do ill things against their will, that is the issue. If actions are the will of that person, unpolluted, then the universe will teach. If a being is held to something against will, then there is that sword to the one who must face it, the manipulator. That is what I understand, but I do not have all the answers... Seek and you will find. Ultimately we will have to come to a point to decide what we want, even if death is part of the game being true to will. Are there any true winners in an unfair game?

[modwiz]

Afraid I don't have an answer for this one, although 9eagle9 scares me. She's mean.

[Tony]

What I most fear.

Spiritual people, and Forum people, when they fixate on partial ideas.
Their righteousness lacking compete confidence, reveals itself in a dogmatic self interest attitude.

This unfortunately has a ripple affect around a community, which produces a subtle pressure to conform.

In Tibetan buddhism some practitioner sit in a grave yard all night, to face their fears.
For me it going to spiritual centres, and writing on forums!

Yours a bit of a maverick,
Tony

[Kindred]

The collective Seth material tells all in my estimation, or about as much as we could comprehend while here on earth for most of us.

Seth says that fear comes when we feel that we are getting cut off from completing goals that the oversoul has set up for us that we are aware of on a deep level and as well from not understanding the nature of our personal reality.

I can relate directly to this statement... about two years ago, I fell into a deep-seated fear overnight that, ultimately, drove me to find the 'alternative news' in trying to understand all the lies, both in my own 'world', but also the greater world. In so doing, I eventually found myself Here... and have gained much knowledge and insight as to my True 'self', and the nature of my Infinite Being. And, there is an Infinity yet to learn!

But, this process has been difficult and not always fun... I've lost some friends along the way and others just 'don't want to know'... We each have our individual journeys to make, and will learn at the pace that most suits us (hopefully).

In Unity, Peace and Love

[pugwash84]

I am not scared of the process of death but who I would leave behind. The thought of my autistic child having to defend for himself and how upset my children would be is what makes me scared. I try not to think about it and to live a healthy lifestyle so that I live a long life to be there for them as long as I can.

[eileenrose]

This came out today (a reality check for Californians...myself included)

Title: "MOODY’S WARNS OF MASS CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL BANKRUPTCIES"

snip


The klaxon horn went off this evening for California municipal bondholders when Moody’s credit rating service issued a report stating that the plummeting financial condition of many California counties, cities, school districts and other government agencies will soon result in large numbers of municipal bankruptcy filings. Concerned about their own potential liability for providing high ratings that encouraged conservative elderly Americans to invest in risky bonds; Moody’s announced they will undertake a wide-ranging review of municipal finances because of the growing insolvencies.

The rest is of this article is a wake up call (for those whose heads are in the sand). Should wake up your asleep neighbors out there. I realize that is doesn't sound dire. Oh my, then you have your heads in the sand as well. This article states they will downgrade California to junk bond status (and are just searching for the reason). And then.....we are in the drain and on our way to the sewer.

Got a retirement fund in a city or county or state? You might want to catch up on where your money is going....not to you (is the plan). My entire family will be bankrupt if this happens. And it is planned for next month. Not next year or ten years from now.

Sleeping in the streets isn't fun (no matter what the gypsies say).


Link: http://www.chrissstreetandcompany.com/2012/08/moodys-warns-mass-california-municipal-bankruptcies/

---
PS: And the worse part is they all look to me for support....this would just make them more needy (and not less preachy). Might start planning a very very long vacation to Ecuador if this goes down.

[eileenrose]

I am not scared of the process of death but who I would leave behind. The thought of my autistic child having to defend for himself and how upset my children would be is what makes me scared. I try not to think about it and to live a healthy lifestyle so that I live a long life to be there for them as long as I can.

Not picking on you. Just using the idea of death here.

Death is the least of your worries. You always think death is the worse. No...it is the fear that drives you (underlying this premise) that kills you....but much more excruciating slow and it becomes generational.

I mean you don't actually die. You just get impoverished and then....in our 'newer' ..'cleaner' economy...you become a 'day worker' ....or in old fashion terms 'a slave or a slave driver' ...the last two roles that exist in a burnt out economy.

Just ask anyone who lives outside this little clean up version of reality, we call the Western world, ...which is just about everyone else.

[Magnus]

My death is something i imagine will be a beautiful thing, a reward of sorts. The only thing that could spoil my party, is being slowly tormented to death by suffering, e.g. pain, disease, starvation or any other horror. When my time runs out, i wish to be gone in the very blink of an eye, with peace in my soul and a smile on my face. Death in itself doesn't scare me even the slightest, i rather look forward to it with anticipation and excitement. Don't get the wrong idea here, i firmly oppose suicide!

[Arrowwind]

The collective Seth material tells all in my estimation, or about as much as we could comprehend while here on earth for most of us.

Seth says that fear comes when we feel that we are getting cut off from completing goals that the oversoul has set up for us that we are aware of on a deep level and as well from not understanding the nature of our personal reality.

I can relate directly to this statement... about two years ago, I fell into a deep-seated fear overnight that, ultimately, drove me to find the 'alternative news' in trying to understand all the lies, both in my own 'world', but also the greater world. In so doing, I eventually found myself Here... and have gained much knowledge and insight as to my True 'self', and the nature of my Infinite Being. And, there is an Infinity yet to learn!

But, this process has been difficult and not always fun... I've lost some friends along the way and others just 'don't want to know'... We each have our individual journeys to make, and will learn at the pace that most suits us (hopefully).

In Unity, Peace and Love

Yes, this has been very pertinent to me also. Many years ago when I was diagnosed with cancer I became very fearful for I knew I had a specific work to do and two children were scheduled to come into my future, even though I did not know how, where or when. I feared death at that time for everything was so unfullfilled. The meaning and purpose of life was lost to me if death should have come at that time. It was a very low time. But I survivied and all that was scheduled did arrive in due course. If death faced me directly at this moment in time I think I would not have such a hard time for most life goals are completed, the big ones anyway. I have always had a sense of my overall goals and I think this comes from a direct contact with my high self. or as Seth would call - the Oversoul. I have even have had experiences where the oversoul did some very blatant intervention to keep me on course, where it felt that my choices were forced to be changed to meet certain pre-ordained destinies agreed upon before I entered into this life.

I have always stated that fear is not a bad thing. It is a visceral wake up call and you can learn much about yourself and your situation if you can open yourself to investigating. ... but also, fear can get out of hand if you do not have a good relatonship between your highself and your body... that channel and its reciprocity must be open for one serves the other when in harmony and must open to the needs of each other... and since fear is such a visceral thing.. it is the bodies way of knowing a thing.... that gut instinct or feeling of fear .... for the entity of the physical body is a life of its own and it has needs that must be respected and delt with by the highself so that the high self can fullfill its mission through the 3D expression of the physical body. It is the mind that mediates the two... so in essence its the Fruedian id, ego and super ego in a more advanced explaination than Sigmund Freud managed to figure out... Seth is much more eloquent on the topic than I or anyone that I know of.

[Arrowwind]

My death is something i imagine will be a beautiful thing, a reward of sorts. The only thing that could spoil my party is, being slowly tormented to death by suffering, e.g. pain, disease, starvation or any other horror. When my time runs out, i wish to be gone in the very blink of an eye, with peace in my soul and a smile on my face. Death in itself doesn't scare me even the slightest, i rather look forward to it with anticipation and excitement. Don't get the wrong idea here, i am firmly opposing suicide!

Because I have sat with literally hundreds of dying people I firmly know that no matter what the situation, pain, suffering, and a variety of tortures to the physical body, that towards the end, close to the end, one can elevate above the physical issues and die a very good death..... for in fact we are not our bodies, this I say after having seen the shift many times, it is an enlightening experience to everyone who witnesses these types of events, including to the person acutally dying. Maybe its when that DMA kicks in, I dont know... but everything can change in a blink of an eye from pain and distress to awakening and joy at the prospects of moving on and actually starting to enter the other realms when still in the body.

[Arrowwind]

I think being put in a situation, there is a choice maybe not at the time, but at some point. Someone may fool you into a choice, and when you become awake and really choose, there lies the issue. Jesus said ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34. Those that are not given a choice, are given a sword against one that would cause division for a good man or woman or being. Sometimes people do ill things against their will, that is the issue. If actions are the will of that person, unpolluted, then the universe will teach. If a being is held to something against will, then there is that sword to the one who must face it, the manipulator. That is what I understand, but I do not have all the answers... Seek and you will find. Ultimately we will have to come to a point to decide what we want, even if death is part of the game being true to will. Are there any true winners in an unfair game?

yea, thats a good passage in the bible. although I am not a bible type person.
You cannot have consciousness without a sword.
There is a lot of slaying to do.
One must slay all their personal tyrants
that dwell within themselves
and metaphorically slay
all those petty tyrants
that dwell outwardly that try to control you.
You cannot be free without a fair amount of warfare
When the demons are slayed
internally and all around you
then you can be free to become who you are.

The only demons that exist are the ones that
you allow to exist within you
and contorl you and to push you
into being who you are not really.
Eventhough there are those who would
do you harm, if you give them power to do so
they will but If you know your eternal spirit
there is nothing a demon or tyrant
can do to you of any real consequence
for even if they take your body
you are invincible in your spirit.

Just like Jesus at the cross...
he slayed his tyrants with the sword of forgiveness.
and was free to continue to be in his heart

Generally the first tyrants to slay
are ones own family members.
and when you do
then you are free to love them for the first time
no matter how petty a tyrant they continue to be
you are free from them
and for the first time free in your heart
and free to love them for just who they are

[araucaria]

I would be afraid, if of anything, of the idea of time. Since someone on this thread has desired a life running backwards in time, consider this story. A doctor receives into his clinic patients who look dead or close to death, he carries out various operations on them, and over time, they make a full recovery and eventually walk out in perfect health.

This is the story, told backwards, by a Nazi doctor in the Mengele mould. The novel is by Martin Amis and is called Time's Arrow. Inevitably it caused a furore among people who didn't understand.

What they didn't properly understand was that time, which doesn't exist per se, is the major invention of this matrix. And like road signs in wartime, which in the UK were swivelled through 90 or 180 degrees to delude the potential German attacker, time's arrow is pointed in the wrong direction.

This is why I agree 100% with Barbara Hand Clow's notion of Catastrophism. We are fearful of the future because of something that happened in the past. This can be verified on a personal level, on an interpersonal level, and on a collective level.

Hnece I am afraid of nothing. Been there done that got the postcard, the t-shirt, the whole works. Basta cosi.

[bogeyman]

It is a question or growth as well. As your growing your fears change, some are past on by parents to off spring, others from movies, or possibilities of what may happen. Some a result of your personal experiences, and of experiences of others close to you. Your environment can also cause fear, dark corners on the street, unlit areas etc. It may be something primeval, a natural state to enhance survival. We are bombarded with fears from all sorts of sources, this must have effect of some of us.

[Tony]

For a Buddhist there could be fear of the next incarnation.
One of course hopes for one that is more conducive to practice...but through self deception one could end up as a slug in hell on a asteroid going nowhere!



I find polls a little too simplistic... fun...though maybe misleading.
The problem with wanting to know about something, is that there are many levels, and people tend to grasp the first explanation they hear and switch off.
These levels are just stepping stones, that is why we have to use each one as a foundation...and then let go!

I suppose it all depend on what the individual finds satisfying, and.................how much of the brain is joined up.
The brain need time and practise to fire and wire pathways -we need time to assimilate information.
We may have pure perception, but this has to be translated by the mind that has limited experiences,
and this is where we might get a bit fuddled.

When people say, "Death? bring it on!!!" They may not know what they are saying.

All the best,
Tony

[778 neighbour of some guy]

When people stop worrying about living life, instead of hoping for something better after they shed their skins a lot of problems will be solved, a happy continuation of happiness and no more fear of the unknown.

[ED209]

I am very afraid of dying. I don't care if I get transformed or enlightened or anything else. I don't care about that stuff. I will miss my family, friends, dogs, and the still beautiful things on this planet when I die. I don't need to die to become enlightened.

I know in my gut that I do not get to come back. Maybe I am crazy, but for whatever reason I have a deep feeling in my gut that I have only ever lived here, maybe over numerous lifetimes, maybe not, but this planet is my home and always has been and I know this is my last go round.

I don't think there is some grand powers that be plan to make people fear death. I think they do the opposite. They want people to not fear it so that they will have volunteers for their wars.

[Godiam]

Death is but a changing of worlds!, I have no fear about death as I know from experience that a part of us goes on!
Death is but an illusion to keep us in a state of fear..... well, that is how mainstream religion uses our fear to control us!
Once we accept that we are a PART OF GOD (SPIRIT, SOURCE) and not APART FROM GOD..... Then fear has no control over us!

My favorite quote is......

I SEND YOU NOTHING BUT ANGELS, I GIVE YOU NOTHING BUT MIRACLES, THEREIN LIES THE PEACE OF GOD!!!

From A COURSE IN MIRACLES!

It all comes down to our perception!

HUGS...........Godiam

[scanner]

Just like getting in and out of a car , do you fear that ? That's all YOU are doing getting in and out of a meat vehicle . It's the lack of education that brings the fear , so we're dumbed down to keep YOU'RE vibrations low . Quote from David Icke "human race get of you knees and rise like Lions " unquote .

[Anchor]

I am not afraid to die.

It is inevitable. It will happen. There is no dodging this fact.

Also, owing to some crap doctoring a few years ago, I was actually told that I most likely had hodgkins lymphoma and was going to die shortly and then 4 days later I found out I wasn't and the XRAY had been diagnosed wrong - LULZ - however, in those 4 days I was tested and I believe now that I know I am not afraid of my death.

[scanner]

I am very afraid of dying. I don't care if I get transformed or enlightened or anything else. I don't care about that stuff. I will miss my family, friends, dogs, and the still beautiful things on this planet when I die. I don't need to die to become enlightened.

I know in my gut that I do not get to come back. Maybe I am crazy, but for whatever reason I have a deep feeling in my gut that I have only ever lived here, maybe over numerous lifetimes, maybe not, but this planet is my home and always has been and I know this is my last go round.

I don't think there is some grand powers that be plan to make people fear death. I think they do the opposite. They want people to not fear it so that they will have volunteers for their wars.Your not afraid of dying , your afraid to let go of this 3D Earthly construct and when you die you will understand this . We all die ,so why be afraid of something natural to us all . This is how they, tptb control us ,FEAR .

[ED209]

I am very afraid of dying. I don't care if I get transformed or enlightened or anything else. I don't care about that stuff. I will miss my family, friends, dogs, and the still beautiful things on this planet when I die. I don't need to die to become enlightened.

I know in my gut that I do not get to come back. Maybe I am crazy, but for whatever reason I have a deep feeling in my gut that I have only ever lived here, maybe over numerous lifetimes, maybe not, but this planet is my home and always has been and I know this is my last go round.

I don't think there is some grand powers that be plan to make people fear death. I think they do the opposite. They want people to not fear it so that they will have volunteers for their wars.Your not afraid of dying , your afraid to let go of this 3D Earthly construct and when you die you will understand this . We all die ,so why be afraid of something natural to us all . This is how they, tptb control us ,FEAR .

I appreciate what you are trying to do and say, and thank you, but yes, trust me, I am indeed afraid of dying. I am perfectly okay with that fear and own up to it. I think it is good for me to have it. If you want to call not being alive on this planet something other than dying that is fine, but the end result is the same. There is nothing wrong with being afraid of dying. I don't really care what there is to learn after I die and I don't care about being let in on big enlightenment secrets. I love my family and friends and this planet and I don't want to trade in those things for enlightenment via death. Being loved and loving here is plenty enough enlightenment for me.

[Karunai]

(I'll use your question for a inner exercise)

"What are you afraid of?" (asking to my-self)

Who is the one asking that question (asking to my-self)

Viewing it from ego's point... I'm afraid of many things. When I read the word 'fear' I recall the memory of the feeling of it. But it doesn't last.

Viewing from a multi-perspective (OverSoul-like to use a word) point of view... I'm in between different states of Consciousness. Or better saying... I'm exploring different states in Consciousness, this realm being one of them.

Am I afraid of dying?. No and yes. Depending on the perspective I choose to answer the question.

Thank you for the post :)
(it's giving me a good inner multi perspective exercise)

[Kindred]

When I first began to 'wake up', it was in direct relation to understanding that 'they' planned on killing 'US' all off, in conjunction with "The End Of The World". THIS was the way Everything sounded when I was first getting into the 'alternative news', and I began to desperately seek information to "find a way out", as well as finding Somewhere to 'hide'...

Yes, I was very much afraid of losing this corporeal existence, as I Truly did not understand that I was an Infinite Being. I had Forgotten in a Big Way about Who I Was. I have since come to realize that this was to be expected, due to some Extreme physical, psychological and emotional traumas I experienced as an infant. These traumas had the effect of 'grounding me' to the physical 'reality' that most everyone takes as Normal, and caused me to also 'look outward in fear', and even more importantly, to look to 'the men in suits' for the answers I sought.

This is not to say that nobody else has had their own traumas that cause this same 'connection'... the very act of birth is highly traumatic to any 'Soul', and as much is stated in the Seth material - something I have yet to finish listening to, but which I've found to be Highly informative.

I also feel that, much as was suggested in my other post, my 'awakening fear' was the direct result of my Oversoul / Higher Self giving me the proverbial 'KITA' to DO SOMETHING. And, I'm so Very glad it did, regardless of having gone through the 'prepper' stage, with all it's attendant costs and worries about the 'what if's'.

It doesn't Matter what's 'coming down'... I don't have enough time nor money to be 'properly prepared', and I'm certain that IF (and that's a Big 'IF') and when it does, I won't have enough time to 'bug out'. Now... if I had my own personal helicopter that I take to work every day, fully loaded with all my gear... well then... Yah - I might just 'survive'... whatever That means. Although, it would be highly likely that I'd be shot out of the air by our O-so-benevolent gov't. And, No... I can't just 'take off' right now and build my farm in the wilderness... that isn't going to happen.

But, what I DO know, or at least I'm beginning to understand, is that Everyone has the Ability to Change their Reality in Very Substantial Ways.

Now, whether they Know it or not, well, that's another question. The primary aspect of this 'Knowing', is to Forget all our Previous Programming that tells us that we Can't 'change reality'. (Reality shows anyone... talk about Programming!) Yes, this is the most troublesome and problematic aspect of anybody's True awakening, and which I am fundamentally aware of - letting go of the programming, and instilling within myself, the Programming I Want - the Story I Write.

Speaking of Stories... there's an Extremely interesting encounter story from the early 60's out of Peru that speaks to this very idea controlling our reality, and even more astounding is the direct correlation it has with what the Seth material describes. The really interesting part is on page 2 and 3, but the entire account is quite astounding.
http://rune.galactic.to/apu2.html

So, what does all this have to do with Fear? For one thing... if you know you can control your reality, doesn't this make you realize that you can Release the Fear, for now You are In Control. Now, think about what a Hundred people, all believing in a particular Reality can do.. and, what about a 1000... or a million... or 350 million... THIS is what tptb are trying to influence with ALL the stuff they are pulling... 'mad shooters', wars, economic collapse, police intimidation. corruption and over-reaction, chem-trails, etc, etc. Getting Enough people to believe the Lies, and keep us ALL Looking Outward in FEAR, and Preventing US from Looking Inward, Letting Go Of The Fear, and finding Our Internal Peace and Realizing Our Power.

So, the upshot of all this is that we Truly Do have the ability to change our reality - it's just that we need to Wake Up from this deep sleep we've been lulled into by our controllers.

Its ALL about What We Do... What we Think, and How We Act, both inwardly, and, most importantly Outwardly to Everyone Else.

Be The Change You Wish To See In The World. - Gandhi

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Anchor]

trust me, I am indeed afraid of dying. I am perfectly okay with that fear and own up to it. I think it is good for me to have it. If you want to call not being alive on this planet something other than dying that is fine, but the end result is the same. There is nothing wrong with being afraid of dying. I don't really care what there is to learn after I die and I don't care about being let in on big enlightenment secrets. I love my family and friends and this planet and I don't want to trade in those things for enlightenment via death. Being loved and loving here is plenty enough enlightenment for me.

With honesty like this, each step you take on your path of discovery will cover a great distance!

[ED209]

trust me, I am indeed afraid of dying. I am perfectly okay with that fear and own up to it. I think it is good for me to have it. If you want to call not being alive on this planet something other than dying that is fine, but the end result is the same. There is nothing wrong with being afraid of dying. I don't really care what there is to learn after I die and I don't care about being let in on big enlightenment secrets. I love my family and friends and this planet and I don't want to trade in those things for enlightenment via death. Being loved and loving here is plenty enough enlightenment for me.

With honesty like this, each step you take on your path of discovery will cover a great distance!

Thank you, Anchor...I hope so! :-)

[Kindred]

trust me, I am indeed afraid of dying. I am perfectly okay with that fear and own up to it. I think it is good for me to have it. If you want to call not being alive on this planet something other than dying that is fine, but the end result is the same. There is nothing wrong with being afraid of dying. I don't really care what there is to learn after I die and I don't care about being let in on big enlightenment secrets. I love my family and friends and this planet and I don't want to trade in those things for enlightenment via death. Being loved and loving here is plenty enough enlightenment for me.

With honesty like this, each step you take on your path of discovery will cover a great distance!

Thank you, Anchor...I hope so! :-)

ED209... I fully agree with Anchor... have No doubt that you will overcome any and all your fears... in Time. I will suggest that you don't need to die to gain 'enlightenment'...

I urge you to take some time and begin to meditate. No, you don't need to sit like a 'pretzel', and do the "OMMMM" chant... nothing of the sort. Get comfortable, whether laying down or sitting (but laying down may lead to sleep!) Calm you mind and find comfort in silence.

I could go on with a discertation on 'how to meditate', but I am No 'guru' - not by a Long shot... However, pie'-n'-eal has some great suggestions and fabulous insights. You can also look up some basics either on YouTube, or any other site that offers suggestions.
Here's a rather complete group of videos: http://www.in5d.com/spiritual-reality-power-of-meditation.html

I wish you the strength necessary to loosen the grip of fear, and enjoy life to the fullest in harmony with The All...

In Unity, Peace and Love

[conk]

I am afraid of ignorance and apathy, from which all problems arise............or are allowed to continue.

[Kindred]

I am afraid of ignorance and apathy, from which all problems arise............or are allowed to continue.

Yes... and, often enough, ignorance arises from apathy. We see this disenfranchisement all across the world in almost every country, state, and town. This is particularly true among the desperately poor, or the 'minority' populations of every local. So many have given up, and simply survive on a daily basis, doing the best they can with what's available. Such desperation inevitably leads to a general, daily fear that they get so used to, it's simply a part of their lives. This can result in a depression that affects both the individual, as well as many in their immediate sphere, ultimately infecting entire neighborhoods.

I know of several people, quite intelligent and, generally, Not at all 'apathetic', who also feel disenfranchised and ignored. I think that many in the 'middle class' feel exactly this, as they've been left 'holding the bag' in terms of living by the rules that they've accepted and lived their lives by.

Good, honest, hard-working people who've seen so much of what they've worked so hard for, disappear into thin air, and 'nobody' is listening to them, or doing the 'right thing' to enhance either the 'economy' and the over-all 'social fabric' of our society. This alone causes a general anxiety, which leads, eventually, to fear, if the causes are not addressed in a substantial fashion by those that they look to, to 'do their job' (the policy makers and 'captains' of the business world). And, it doesn't matter where in the (western) world you live. More and more are coming to realize that the game is rigged against them. Yes.. this sounds like George Carlin's skit, and I'll admit it comes directly from it, as it describes the situation so well.

I believe many on this site know the reasons 'why', and I like to think I have a good understanding of the forces at play here, but I certainly don't know everything - not by a long shot.

So, how to address this over-arching and far-reaching pall of disillusionment and despair? Well, for one thing, I do feel that if we could just shut off these stupid 'squawk boxes' (teevees), we'd be a long way along the path to giving the population the necessary 'breathing room' to understand what's happening in the Real world.

I overheard an incident today that caused me to "sit up and take notice". In an adjoining office, there was a conversation occurring between one of my co-workers, and some foreign employees who are at our location for some training. I could not help but hear it, as these cubicles are quite open, and what was being discussed was nothing to be hidden.

Now, the person being trained does not speak English very well, and needed a translator, particularly for some of the more technical aspects. So, there was a constant back-and-forth between the three individuals. It is inevitable that some examples are made to everyday life, to effect an understanding between the parties about a particular aspect of what is being discussed. Somehow, the example of the 'underwear bomber', and other 'terrorists' was brought up be the American trainer. Apparently, this example did Not Register with the guests, as they did Not understand the inferences being made.

It occurred to me that, being from abroad, they Did Not receive the incessant 'programming' about 'terrorists', much less all the fuss about the 'underwear bomber', nor all the variants that have (supposedly) occurred. As such, this example Was Meaningless to them. These people were Not Programmed with this particular Fear.

It's All About What You Put Into Your Mind.

This reminds me of a statement that many have probably heard before; the human mind is just like a computer... Garbage In = Garbage Out. And, it stands to reason that Fear In = Fear Out.

No, I'm not suggesting to ignore important aspects of our world. Just the same, we need to understand that Much of what is Pushed upon us is designed to make us look outward, and ignore that which is Within Us. I have to say, the 'Seth material' is an astounding piece of knowledge and information relative to how our Spirits, and our physical minds, work, and this item is an important aspect of what he says - to concentrate, even for just a short time, several times a day, on Silencing the Mind, and finding your Higher Self. Do this on a regular basis, and you will be able to more clearly understand your life's 'mission', and thus have better control over your reality.

If enough people are able to do this, then, perhaps, we can 'turn this world around'.

"Be The Change You Wish To See In The World" (Gandhi)

In Unity, Peace and Love

[AwakeInADream]

I answered yes to the poll question 'Are you afraid to die?'. I was being honest. I didn't expect to find myself in the minority on that question.
I really hope that the general consensus of faith and fearlessness displayed on this forum rubs off on me.

I am a little less afraid to die just lately, because I have started to realize something, that although I have fear within me, it is not really 'I' that is feeling this fear. It is of the body.
And the source of this fear is external to me, not generated by my self, like some kind of psychic attack, as though the fear is both a control mechanism, and a harvesting of my energies.
Maybe I should have voted 'Unsure'? Anyway, I find I can control this fear by looking after my mind and my body. I've not long since realized that the Recommended Daily Allowance % on vitamins
is a complete lie, and that you really need 1000%-3000% RDA vitamin C and 1000% RDA B vitamins and it makes a huge difference to my general well-being. Fear turned out to be an illusion in many ways,
but death may turn out to be a greater illusion still. I hope so.

I would suggest that two of the most important words in The Old Testament are "Fear Not". Gives good advice does God.