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RMorgan
22nd August 2012, 21:33
Hey folks,

Check this out.

"In March of last year, Craig Lewis, 55, was dying from a heart condition that caused build-ups of abnormal proteins, and not even a pacemaker could help save his life.
But two doctors from the Texas Heart Institute proposed a revolutionary new solution – install a ‘continuous flow’ device that would allow blood to circulate his body without a pulse.

The two doctors had developed the device some time before and had tested it on nearly 50 calves.
They removed the animals’ hearts, and by the next day, the calves were doing everything they were the day before – eating, sleeping, and moving – but this time, without a heart pumping blood through their bodies."


http://vimeo.com/33741794

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096314/Meet-HEARTLESS-man-able-live-heartbeat-PULSE.html#ixzz24JSlrFiO

Pretty amazing ( and weird ), right?

Cheers,

Raf.

BlueEyedPersian
22nd August 2012, 21:51
So what would this do to his life expectancy? Would this allow men to live longer?

SilentFeathers
22nd August 2012, 21:51
I bet all of the elite have already ordered one of these so they have a spare.....

13th Warrior
22nd August 2012, 22:12
Dick Cheney had the same thing; he was a clinical Zombie as he had no pulse. He has since received a heart transplant returning him back to the land of the living.

RMorgan
22nd August 2012, 22:20
So what would this do to his life expectancy? Would this allow men to live longer?

I don´t know my friend.

All I know is that´s pretty weird.

Since the begining, every animal with a heart had a heart beat, a pulse, than suddenly someone comes up with the idea of a continuous flow heart.

It´s pretty intriguing and, well, if someone wants to make an artificial heart, why not try something different?

Very out of the box idea, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Raf.

SilentFeathers
22nd August 2012, 22:27
So what would this do to his life expectancy? Would this allow men to live longer?

I don´t know my friend.

All I know is that´s pretty weird.

Since the begining, every animal with a heart had a heart beat, a pulse, than suddenly someone comes up with the idea of a continuous flow heart.

It´s pretty intriguing and, well, if someone wants to make an artificial heart, why not try something different?

Very out of the box idea, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Raf.

It's VERY weird, can't wait to see what a mechanical soul looks like :)

Marsila
22nd August 2012, 22:28
I don't know why but i don't like this at all.

I know we should be happy, but there is something about it that is real strange.

I am glad the guy survived but, better look forward to ways that will help the body function well the way it is.

I can see this go all the wrong ways in the hands of the wrong people.

i think they need more time to really tell what this is all about...

Shamz
22nd August 2012, 22:30
ehh Pretty cool. I don't know what that person would feel or say when someone says " Don't you have a heart " -- jus j/k

I know heart has 4 chambers - Right-Left Atrium and Ventricle. Right chamber both receive Oxygen depleted blood and push it to Lungs
Left Atrium receives Oxygen rich blood from Lungs and Left Ventricle Pumps it to the entire body.

So how does this pump works with only 2 inputs ? Need more information on actually how they did it or how it works.


Much Love

christian
22nd August 2012, 22:33
Dick Cheney has no pulse as well :gossip:

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Wind
22nd August 2012, 22:41
Dick Cheney, the man with no heart. ;)

DouglasDanger
22nd August 2012, 22:50
Well if this is in the hands of Big Pharma corporations, The Con to such a device would be along the plot of the Movie Repo Men released in 2010, Staring Jude Law and Forest Whitaker. The jist of the movie is two soldiers come home from war without a job, the job they find are as repo men, they repossess the mechanical organs of people who can't afford to pay the payments anymore.....

Reirrac
23rd August 2012, 02:30
I wonder what this does to the Chakra system.

SilentFeathers
23rd August 2012, 02:37
I wonder what this does to the Chakra system.

Can't be very good for the heart chakra! :)

GarethBKK
23rd August 2012, 02:48
I too am not sure about the wisdom of this approach. My understanding is that the frequency of the heartbeat is significant in connecting to consciousness. I like to think of everything as music. Without the right beat, we can't join the orchestra.

NancyV
23rd August 2012, 03:04
Wow, thanks Raf, that was awesome! The body really is just a container for the soul, so a mechanical heart would do nothing to alter the power and wholeness of the soul. It might have some effect on the chakra systems since they may have a physical connection.... but maybe they are only energetic....I don't know if the mechanical pump would alter that energy. It would be interesting to find out!

Of course anything created for good purposes can always be used for evil or negative purposes and I'm sure someone, some corporation will find some way to take advantage of any new and promising invention and pervert it for their own benefit. But I was very moved by the video and I'll bet the man they put the pump into is happy to be alive for a bit longer. It will be interesting to follow how his health changes in the coming months and years.

Carmody
23rd August 2012, 17:21
With regard to the alchemical side of energetic exchange in a given 'body' or organic portal... a pumping heart is an essential or basic. The modulation is part of what provides the point of egress for energetic exchange, specifically with regard to how the avatar was designed to operate/function.

The human body is a finely developed and finely balanced system.

I'm expecting problems to develop. It is only a matter of time.

seko
23rd August 2012, 17:50
This is great for the doctors that work on surgeries but not for the human beings or animals. The heart is the main part of the body and there is a reason why it's there.

Imagine a woman being pregnant with no heart but with a pump that has no beat. How would that affect the new born????

bluestflame
23rd August 2012, 17:52
something about the pause in between breaths , so too the heart

rhythmic cycles , valves along the way open and shut in sequence , will the vessels atrophy through lack of use ?

how will this affect muscles ?
etc.

Tarka the Duck
23rd August 2012, 17:52
I wonder what this does to the chakra system?

The chakra system is part of the subtle body, along with the energy channels and winds. From my understanding, it's not in the physical.

Thanks Raf! What a interesting development :thumb:

Lifebringer
23rd August 2012, 18:17
Dick Cheney has the same pump in his chest. His two transplanted hearts rejected and broke down, so now he has a pump.

Lifebringer
23rd August 2012, 18:22
So Dick Cheney is B.O.R.G.
Hahahahahaha, I knew the guy was a heartless greedy drone, but this just proves people without a heart should not rule over people that do have one.

I wonder if it was a choice or chance ofr immortality or Voldemort.

Shamz
23rd August 2012, 19:29
something about the pause in between breaths , so too the heart

rhythmic cycles , valves along the way open and shut in sequence , will the vessels atrophy through lack of use ?

how will this affect muscles ?
etc.

Yes that is my point too .. the heart has 4 chambers and many valves which regulate the flow of blood from one chamber to another.
So if the continuous flow of blood like a water hose is efficient and works well for the body Then MotherNature would have given us that.

Like I said there are too many things missing from the story. Will search more on the patient and the procedure. If someone has more information on it - Please post it.

Much love

jack
23rd August 2012, 20:03
A very material solution to a very spiritual problem.

nonesuch
23rd August 2012, 23:34
When we listen to our hearts do we want to hear the voice of spirit or the sound of a machine that smoothly delivers a message no more complex or loving than the hum of a well lubricated air conditioner?


The heart contains cells that are comparable in function to brain cells.



http://www.in5d.com/heart-has-brain-and-consciousness.html


Spiritual teaching universally says there is intelligence in the heart.



http://www.healthy-heart-meditation.com/heart-intelligence.html


When a human heart is transplanted from one person to another, the receiver begins demonstrating behaviors and expresses traits that are different from who they were before the transplant and are similar to the donor's personality and spirit.



http://bobsnewheart.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/cellular-memory-organ-recipients-with-characteristics-of-donor/


A pulseless heart, while functional, is only a machine, while the human heart is, among other miracles, made of the only cells in the body that are rhythmic and that power their own movement!


"....What makes the muscle cells in the heart special is the way they suddenly begin moving inside the still-developing embryo. These cells continue beating during transplant surgery, despite all the nerves connected to them having been severed and all contact with the organs around them having been eliminated. Indeed, even when you separate just one of these cells and place it under a microscope, it will continue to pulsate as long as you nourish it with blood.91 Despite appearing to be outside the control of any mechanism, these cells behave as if they had literally taken a decision to beat, pump blood and keep their body alive.
What allows them to beat is the electrical current that passes over them. Every cell making up the heart is literally a living battery. They themselves chemically produce the energy that powers the movement we refer to as the heartbeat. This feature of the cells is too extraordinary to be explained with any evolutionist claim...."

For more on this, click below and scroll down to the following header:
"The Heart Muscle Cells: the Only Ones Moving Rhythmically in the Body" (http://harunyahya.com/en/books/4583/The_Miracle_Of_The_Blood_And_Heart/chapter/365)

ED209
24th August 2012, 21:53
The man without a pulse, Craig Lewis, died shortly after he had the artificial pump installed. His organs were all failing so he declined to continue further treatment. Maybe they just turned his pump off, or maybe he passed naturally as a result of multiple organ failure. He was suffering...this was not a miracle for him.

If doctors continue to use this technology, I bet they will develop an artificial pulse to go with it...just to give people a sense of natural normalcy.

ED209
24th August 2012, 22:00
Dick Cheney has the same pump in his chest. His two transplanted hearts rejected and broke down, so now he has a pump.

Actually, Cheney has a different sort of pump. Cheney's pump is a device that attaches to his heart to assist it with its pumping function. Craig Lewis, the pulse-less man had his heart completely removed from his chest and in its place was a simple continuous flow device.

TheWhitefang
25th August 2012, 03:20
Reminds me of a few documented cases of ppl born with no brain (legit). They eat & look around, do body functions. Very fascinating bc I think these ppl must have a soul. It makes you re-question what exactly this means. Life, definitely. They are humans, supposed to consist of mind, body, spirit. Most don't live long, but the one I think was almost a teenager. If anybody can find a link, feel free.