I'm my own stupid: The Paranoia Feedback Loop and brain breakdown

[Carmody]

http://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/listening-to-complainers-is-bad-for-your-brain.html?nav=pop

Do you hate it when people complain? It turns out there's a good reason: Listening to too much complaining is bad for your brain in multiple ways, according to Trevor Blake, a serial entrepreneur and author of Three Simple Steps: A Map to Success in Business and Life. In the book, he describes how neuroscientists have learned to measure brain activity when faced with various stimuli, including a long gripe session.

"The brain works more like a muscle than we thought," Blake says. "So if you're pinned in a corner for too long listening to someone being negative, you're more likely to behave that way as well."

Even worse, being exposed to too much complaining can actually make you dumb. Research shows that exposure to 30 minutes or more of negativity--including viewing such material on TV--actually peels away neurons in the brain's hippocampus. "That's the part of your brain you need for problem solving," he says. "Basically, it turns your brain to mush."

But if you're running a company, don't you need to hear about anything that may have gone wrong? "There's a big difference between bringing your attention to something that's awry and a complaint," Blake says. "Typically, people who are complaining don't want a solution; they just want you to join in the indignity of the whole thing. You can almost hear brains clink when six people get together and start saying, 'Isn't it terrible?' This will damage your brain even if you're just passively listening. And if you try to change their behavior, you'll become the target of the complaint."



More at the link....

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The point is one that people who turn to Buddhism and the like..they 'get it'. It is an absolutely critical thing to note and to truly understand.

That a violent outlook..... limits intelligence into a self defeating self growth block and downward spiral..with regard to the neural connections in the mind.

The mind begins to DEVOLVE.

One begins to dumb the self down, with a negative outlook. The brain literally begins to strip itself of it's intellect and problem solving capacities and limit itself into lesser solutions that are less thought out with fewer options.

Options that are more violent, more base, less reach, less future, less ability in all areas of finality or intellect.

It's the closing of all doors, not an opening.

That is part of the agenda, to dumb people down so they can be continually manipulated into a paranoid war footing and setting that is permanently into and on the path of a downward spiral. an agenda that arises from people who live that way, think that way, who have devolved that way, who's minds are wired that way, who's ideas on society are generations long and deep in that way of thinking and being. And most importantly, in their actual mental error and 'self de-evolution'....pass it on to their children... and try to foist it onto and into all of the rest of us.

And it is literally....STUPID.

Thus the idea of separation of people, violence in the society, war war war.... and so on.

All of that is a literal breakdown of the mind, in the sense of actual mental breakdown of the mind into a lesser intellect, less capacity to see happiness and associated paths to happiness and freedom.

This post was borne out of a point I was trying to make in a thread - a thread about this recent theater killing in the USA. About how 'everyone packing heat' was exactly the WRONG solution, not the solution.

For that solution of everyone packing heat was the thing that would place a permanent paranoid veil over everything.....as everyone would be living in a permanent filter and undercurrent of paranoia and fear. Not safety -- exactly the opposite of safety. A underlying fear and negativity which would literally make people evolve or more correctly....devolve into stupid.

So America, and other countries right now..the entire environment is about the literal task and situation/reality of stripping people's intellect from them.

A Buddhist or similar minded person...with a positive and open outlook...can meditate and actually, physically INCREASE their intellect and problem solving capacities.

(happy people doing what they enjoy are seven times more efficient in those tasks and efforts)

An upward spiral, due to positive motive, positive thinking, positive unfolding.

Thus.... literally.....it's all in your head.

[Carmody]

So..why would anyone inject fear and violence scenarios into the moment and place of humanity's unfolding?

Hhmmm?

Think it through, now....

As I've said before..the mark of the hidden hand is invariably in a situation and scenario....when more than one agenda/motion.... can be forwarded with what appears to be a single move.

[Sidney]

So..why would anyone inject fear and violence scenarios into the moment and place of humanity's unfolding?

Hhmmm?

Think it through, now....

As I've said before..the mark of the hidden hand is invariably in a situation and scenario....when more than one agenda/motion.... can be forwarded with what appears to be a single move.

Thats a great observation Carmody !!! Just one more tool for dumbing us down.

[Carmody]

Thus, the idea in Christianity (and other tribal religions, like Judaism, and the Muslim faith) as it is propelled in western and other places and societies, is one where god is separate from me, wields power over me...I am in error, I must fix myself, I must pray for salvation.........and thus...I'm My Own Stupid, and I'm locked into a downward spiral with no way out, a block that I cannot see.. as living there has wired my mind that way...

If I don't get out of that life and living scenario...everything I know will only get worse. Where more paranoia and a quicker more powerful de-evolution is the only answer, the only result and end point. Where religion ends up ruling and running society. Where paranoia ends up running society. Where war and war machines end up running society.

Oh wait, we've done that trip... and seen the results before. Depends on if one can actually see that, or not.

Might be connected to one's outlook and thus, in the true sense... their mental wiring and the future of that mental wiring. Never know....

Ouch.

[another bob]

The story is told about a woman Zen master named Sono who taught one very simple method of enlightenment. She advised everyone who came to her to adopt an affirmation to be said many times a day, under all conditions. The affirmation was, "Thank you for everything. I have no
complaint whatsoever."

Many people from all arenas of life came to Sono for healing. Some were in physical pain; others were emotionally distraught; others had financial troubles; some were seeking soul liberation. No matter what their distress or what question they asked her, her response was the
same: "Thank you for everything. I have no complaint whatsoever." Some people went away disappointed; others grew angry; others tried to argue with her. Yet some people took her suggestion to heart and began to practice it. Tradition tells that everyone who practiced Sono's mantra found peace and healing. Thank you for everything. I have no complaint whatsoever.

:yo:

[Kindred]

BE THE LIGHT!
(not the darkness)

BE the change you wish to see in the World! (Gandhi)

Great Find Carmody!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Carmody]

BE THE LIGHT!
(not the darkness)

BE the change you wish to see in the World! (Gandhi)

Great Find Carmody!

In Unity, Peace and Love

okQRBL8tuZc


As Roger Waters said in 'The Wall'...

....I'm waiting in this cell because I have to know..have I been guilty all this time? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIUExyeTnJk)

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Thanks for everything y'all! (and for the thread, Carmody) I have zero complaints whatsoever.......

[another bob]

Thanks for everything y'all! (and for the thread, Carmody) I have zero complaints whatsoever.......

If we are observant, there is something very interesting that we can notice:

Those who are grateful get more to be grateful for, whereas those who complain
and are never happy get more to complain and never be happy about.

Funny how that works . . .

[doodah]

Thanks, Carmody. It's always nice when science gives us permission to know something!

We KNOW these things already. How? Because everything just feels so damn bad because of the constant deluge of negativity everywhere. Someone pointed out in another thread that maybe the "sheeple" who think everything is fine (I won't list all the "except fors"... we know what they are!) are actually better off by not knowing some of the stuff we post here. Living with constant stress because of constant negativity and fear is not a healthy state ... we know this.

Which raises a question I've been pondering for a bit: How come the list of threads that a guest, for instance, would find as being of interest to people on this Forum includes so many negative titles and so much negative information? Today's list, at this moment, has just informed me of another mass shooting in America. Jeez. Knowing that is supposed to help me, how?

We know the train is out of control. We've known this for a long time but we keep on talking and talking about it and finding more and more examples of it. If we can't take out the train engineer and get control of the train ourselves, we should be doing something else more productive than posting OMGs and WTFs and TPTB want to kill us threads.

I don't know what Avalon should be doing, but I'm seriously wondering if this is what we should be about. People can educate themselves about these things on lots of other websites. Once we know these things, then what? Isn't the "then what?" more what we should be doing here?

Love and peace. (That's LOVE and PEACE, and not casually written)
~ Doodah

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't know what Avalon should be doing, but I'm seriously wondering if this is what we should be about. People can educate themselves about these things on lots of other websites. Once we know these things, then what? Isn't the "then what?" more what we should be doing here?
The situation keeps evolving, our individual and shared awareness of it keeps evolving, and we're each at different places, along our own path.

I don't think there's a place that can be described as "OK - I get it - now what?" :)

[Mark]

There seems to be a certain vibration that goes along with both positivity and negativity when expressed within human language whether spoken or written. For instance, you can tell how a person is leaning at the moment, towards which pole, based upon how they speak, or the grammatical construction of their sentences online. Positive words and phrases tend to result in more responses of a similar nature while negative words and phrases do the same. In life, body language, intonation, subtle non-physical cues all contribute to the resonance of those in the immediate vicinity of the speaker - or if witnessed on television - but I'm of the mind that many of those non-physical cues are also available through the written word as well.

[christian]

I don't know what Avalon should be doing, but I'm seriously wondering if this is what we should be about. People can educate themselves about these things on lots of other websites. Once we know these things, then what? Isn't the "then what?" more what we should be doing here?

I agree, everything is transcended eventually and serves as a stepping stone, so does Avalon. It will evolve into something more refined eventually through the choices of the individuals participating. I guess living as a human on earth is a lot about learning to deal with time and to become patient, become persevering. Just having 'woken up' and knowing a certain deal of info isn't transforming everything instantly, personally it might do, and you might get on another timeline, but to really stabilize it, you gotta be disciplined and determined and must not loose focus. Everything here takes time, so 'the job' of 'awakened' people is to continue to live the 'new paradigm' to gradually manifest it, I figure, and holding the balance while doing so, that's the challenge for me right now, continuing the good fight (spreading love and info, creating beautiful structures of all kinds, etc.) in anticipation of a golden age . . .

[doodah]

I don't think there's a place that can be described as "OK - I get it - now what?" :)

Oh... I don't know about that. I think there is such a place, and more than a few members of this Forum are already there. :)

Thanks for the responses from the moderators. What an amazing amount of patience you all have!

Okay, I'll just go back out to the garden and do some more weeding. :) ~ Doodah

[doodah]

Okay, I'm back.

I spent some quiet nonverbal time with the garden, and a good thing, too, as I discovered the broccoli is under attack by cabbage worms. They will strip the leaves down to the veins if you don't get them under control, and you won't get any broccoli either. Sounds rather Illuminati-like - singleminded relentless destructiveness - but of course the worms don't think so, they're just hungry and doing their thing.

I've decided I want to question what we're going to do with the information that Carmody has posted here. This is the scientific "sanction", the proof, that negativity from TV and other sources turns your mind to mush. Some of us knew this all along, but now everyone should pay serious attention, especially as the negativity is fed to us constantly from many sources, and is repeated over and over and over to be sure we get a heavy dose.

If this information is real and true, shouldn't we post a general WARNING up front on this Forum (with a link to Carmody's initial post) so that people can make an informed choice about which material they read or don't read, rather than letting this thread fall through the cracks and the information get buried?

Some posters put "WARNING, GRAPHIC CONTENT" in their thread titles, to alert readers before they read. Those who choose to read on have done so with some idea that what's coming isn't going to be pleasant. That's a very thoughtful gesture on the poster's part, it seems to me. But as to the potential effects of negativity and fear-based material in general, there is no warning. We are so inundated with material of this kind that it's just sort of accepted, right?

Avalon is like a private neighborhood club owned by Bill Ryan. Let's call it Ryan's BYO Bar. Anyone who applies and is accepted as a member can bring whatever they want to drink into the club. What they bring could be anything from green tea to ...? I'm trying to think of something accepted as drinkable that destroys brain cells but people drink it anyway. Oh yes, alcohol. The bar tenders don't make judgments about what drinks are brought into the club - each individual will choose whatever they want from what's available. However, do we just stand by and watch those (who don't know it's a potential poison) drink the alcohol? Aren't we obligated to post a notice, at the very least?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I personally want to do no harm. If people don't know this scientific proof, shouldn't we tell them? If such a generalized WARNING were posted up front on this Forum for all to read, I don't know for sure, but I've never seen such a thing posted anywhere on the internet. Avalon would be opening up whole new territory.

[And let me state here and now that if this information turns out to be a hoax, after I've spent the time to write this very sincere post, I will be truly pissed.] :)

[noprophet]

Does this mean there are no legitimate complaints--or I suppose does this illegitimize any standing complaints?

What about criticism/evaluation? Intellectually de-structuring? Are we speaking only of complaints with emotional attachment?

[Carmody]

Does this mean there are no legitimate complaints--or I suppose does this illegitimize any standing complaints?

What about criticism/evaluation? Intellectually de-structuring? Are we speaking only of complaints with emotional attachment?


I find that when someone comes at me with negativity, I get the 'shut down-must leave immediate presence of this person' effect happening --immediately. For all the right reasons.

I bring to the fore again, the note from my friend who is/was, in his University years, a champion debater.

Clarification on these terms...

Discussion: talk about things. To relate information, to inform.
debate: win your side, score points--at any cost.

Big difference between the two.

Regarding his debating, he said that in the context of trying to win a jury or group to your cause in the given debate...that a key point was to never, at any time, ever devolve into undue emphasis at any time. No negativity and no suggestion of overt emotions in that direction.

For if one did that..the audience would shut the whole conversation out..and nothing of your words would ever get into them. This was well tested and is and was a critical component of debate and presentation within the context of debate.

Thus, leave the negative emotions at home ---or don't even bother showing up.

Of course, then one can begin to see how this point integrates with the data on brain de-evolution/unwinding in the point of undue stressing or negativity. to break minds and re-build them to desirable parameters. Have you seen the film V for Vendetta? Hell, we even do it to our kids.

The connection to brainwashing through extreme stressing. Manchurian candidate stuff. Apparently Guantanamo bay was/is a nice place for this sort of activity.


Of course, this can be difficult to reach, as one's body does contribute to both information in..and information out. If for example, trying to get into a discussion on how some children where raped and killed in a real video from some given place or occurrence.. Imagine the ingrained difficulty in doing that.


However, the Buddhists say a specific thing, for a good reason..and that saying is: "Seek Detachment".

For all else can be a form of ruination, with regard to finding and being in some functional path. Undue emotion are like driving and oversteering like a madman and bouncing off the rails,and even going completely off the road and over a cliff. Overwrought emotions, many to most times... becomes even more overpowering overwrought emotions.

The body has not an intellect....yet it is the system by which you exist here, it is your vehicle.

now, this body.. it is responsible for data in and data out..and the emotions, -- it exists by and conveys, those are the baser systems of autonomous and some learned function. the voice of the body, one could say. thus the emotions are a body response.

We have emotions in the ethereal self and body, but they are not even a hundredth of the intensity of the 3d-time body's power and intensity of ruling our self and being. This is direct experience and memory speaking here.

I've done some pretty darned potent 'soul rescuing' while in the ethereal self or astral body..and those experiences are well, not so darned potent, not such a difficulty.

But when they are reflected back into this body, this living body...holy mother of god, some of them....they can be hard to take. The body, one might imagine..does indeed react to this incoming 'datastream', or memory/reflection. The body with it's emotional response and emotional memory, it colors and shapes all our thoughts and actions.

This, if we are not careful in recognizing this vital point. to exist in the knowing of it at all times. This is a good start. It's fairly simple........

[noprophet]

Does this mean there are no legitimate complaints--or I suppose does this illegitimize any standing complaints?

What about criticism/evaluation? Intellectually de-structuring? Are we speaking only of complaints with emotional attachment?


I find that when someone comes at me with negativity, I get the 'shut down-must leave immediate presence of this person' effect happening --immediately. For all the right reasons.

I bring to the fore again, the note from my friend who is/was, in his University years, a champion debater.

Clarification on these terms...

Discussion: talk about things. To relate information, to inform.
debate: win your side, score points--at any cost.

Big difference between the two.

Regarding his debating, he said that in the context of trying to win a jury or group to your cause in the given debate...that a key point was to never, at any time, ever devolve into undue emphasis at any time. No negativity and no suggestion of overt emotions in that direction.

For if one did that..the audience would shut the whole conversation out..and nothing of your words would ever get into them. This was well tested and is and was a critical component of debate and presentation within the context of debate.

Thus, leave the negative emotions at home ---or don't even bother showing up.

Of course, then one can begin to see how this point integrates with the data on brain de-evolution/unwinding in the point of undue stressing or negativity. to break minds and re-build them to desirable parameters. Have you seen the film V for Vendetta? Hell, we even do it to our kids.

The connection to brainwashing through extreme stressing. Manchurian candidate stuff. Apparently Guantanamo bay was/is a nice place for this sort of activity.


Of course, this can be difficult to reach, as one's body does contribute to both information in..and information out. If for example, trying to get into a discussion on how some children where raped and killed in a real video from some given place or occurrence.. Imagine the ingrained difficulty in doing that.


However, the Buddhists say a specific thing, for a good reason..and that saying is: "Seek Detachment".

For all else can be a form of ruination, with regard to finding and being in some functional path. Undue emotion are like driving and oversteering like a madman and bouncing off the rails,and even going completely off the road and over a cliff. Overwrought emotions, many to most times... becomes even more overpowering overwrought emotions.

The body has not an intellect....yet it is the system by which you exist here, it is your vehicle.

now, this body.. it is responsible for data in and data out..and the emotions, -- it exists by and conveys, those are the baser systems of autonomous and some learned function. the voice of the body, one could say. thus the emotions are a body response.

We have emotions in the ethereal self and body, but they are not even a hundredth of the intensity of the 3d-time body's power and intensity of ruling our self and being. This is direct experience and memory speaking here.

I've done some pretty darned potent 'soul rescuing' while in the ethereal self or astral body..and those experiences are well, not so darned potent, not such a difficulty.

But when they are reflected back into this body, this living body...holy mother of god, some of them....they can be hard to take. The body, one might imagine..does indeed react to this incoming 'datastream', or memory/reflection. The body with it's emotional response and emotional memory, it colors and shapes all our thoughts and actions.

This, if we are not careful in recognizing this vital point. to exist in the knowing of it at all times. This is a good start. It's fairly simple........

I see what your saying here. This almost seems to be the story of the god/satan duality; the bodily-intellect rivaling the super-intellect for reactionary control. Control of "the creation" [expression].

All of which seems to be in orbit of fear, controlling the fear-response.

Not so much the complaint but the fear that sponsors it?

[Carmody]

Exactly so, Lucifer was/is the 'angel of the dawn', who was 'Cast down'.

As are we.

And in astrology, which is older than Christianity or Judeaism....the dawn moment, the rainbow of energies..is the door in which the soul enters the body. Exactly like the prismatic effect of a piece of glass and light, as they integrate (surface-change area). A perfect doorway and channel for getting in..and out.

This dawn moment, in astrology, wherever on the globe one may be..when you are born, this position of the dawn, is called 'the ascendant'. Rising, ascendant is. human/duality, rising. together.

Now, the ascendant is known as the 'rose colored glasses' that one wears upon all of the other considerations of the astrological chart. An astrological chart that is the descriptive of the vibration of the given body-soul integration..and the unfolding in time, of that given life.

The ascendant is the descriptor for the ego.

So yes, you nailed it, exactly.

This is why the PTB work hard at ridiculing astrology at any chance they may get. As the mother and birthplace of all sciences and many of the soft arts, it is simple yet complex and takes decades to master. Thus it is far enough away from common knowledge that it is easy to whip it in public and laugh at it so it is fully ridiculed by most mainstream press and sciences,and so on.

For if the idea of planets moving and this being somehow intimately connected to people and their evolution, in time..if this is real..imagine the stunned silence from the individual who encounters the dark deep chasm and cliff of this 'moment in change in knowing and becoming', that astrology being 'real' can bring to the table. The cascading logic chain that is birthed from that moment takes precedent over all other potentials and brings duality and dimensionality to the fore in all ways.

[christian]

Does this mean there are no legitimate complaints--or I suppose does this illegitimize any standing complaints?

They can all be as 'legitimate' as it gets, but they are all energetically detrimental. You can be a bazillion times right about someone having scratched your car or whatever, but focusing on complaining about it will negatively impact your own energy field and draws you into a downward vortex. So come at it in a different way, be playful and creative, come up with something better than complains.
:juggle:
Sometimes there's only a subtle difference between complaining and assessing. Sometimes people even use the exact same words, but still one is just reporting facts, maybe he's even out to creatively do something about, and the other is merely complaining. As in: The FED is a private bank.

See a need or injustice and do something to fix it if you can. Don't let it pull you down by becoming a complainer.

[christian]

As in Watzlawick's "one cannot not communicate" (http://www.wanterfall.com/Communication-Watzlawick%27s-Axioms.htm#111), one cannot not tell others how to think, if you will. If I tell you -- and that's the point in the OP from my perspective -- that you shouldn't let others control how and what you think, then I'm basically saying 'think for yourself', i.e. I'm telling you how to think.

[music]

When we are secure in ourselves, no amount of negativity will get us down. So, again in agreement with another bob, when we have no complaints, all is well. For some this is old news, for others it is news. But it is what it is, and worth repeating because some of us will benefit from it.

[Flash]

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My dauhgter used to say, when around her dad, when she was about 6-7, with her little difficult to find words, (her dad was and still is hypernegative): he changed me mommy, he changed me, I lost something. She was right and I scientifically knew it then, but my heart had not doubt even before.

to conlcude, Music, I do not agree with you. There is amounts of negativity that will have a major impact on a human being. Year after year, day after day, being bombarded by the media plus bombarded at home, one cannot resist and either becomes very negative himself or dies there (get a cancer or something).

I now came to the same conclusion as Carmody: escape those vampires as the pest. But first, I had and still have to clean up myself and whatever in me that attracted them.

[jackovesk]

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Re: Compulsive Complainers - My point is pay no attention, give it no energy, don't $buy into it...

My only defence in all the (Flash-Flood of Confusion), I was more concerned what time the footy was going to start whilst writing my initial post...:noidea:

(my team won by the way) :)

[ulli]

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Re: Compulsive Complainers - My point is pay no attention, give it no energy, don't $buy into it...

My only defence in all the (Flash-Flood of Confusion), I was more concerned what time the footy was going to start whilst writing my initial post...:noidea:

I still have no idea what Flash was talking about..:confused:


It's easy to understand Flash once you get past that French accent ;)

It's all good

[Flash]

between French accent and Australian accent things can reaaaallly go wrong! lol

Example: what is a footy? I have to exrrapolate that it must be football??? from the sentence, otherwise I would think it is a foot in the bu tt. lol

Just having to imagine or make up (this is the danger) or extraplate often makes me, well it most probably makes my brain unshrink through working more. ... lol Can you inmagine that even for English I often use the latin roots to understand, it has become so customary that I now do it in split seconds, but I am still conscious of it.

Did you kow Jack that I often correct my sentences / grammar 2-3 times after/before posting? Much work to still end up not understood - sigh

Well, these were not complaints but just stating facts, I shold have written it in another thread, sorry Carmody
Back on topic

[Flash]

food for thought:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vW1-RnzCdw

[Flash]

Pot (thc) , negative thinking and paranois, the brain's mishaps


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KqsuXGM5h0

[Flash]

In fact, we are built up for negative thinking. This is, it seems, a survival mecanism. However, I am not sure personnally that this would not be, in fact, the society actual biaises that raises us with a negative brain???

The good news is that the brain is flexible and changeable and that, with training, this can change.




http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200306/our-brains-negative-bias

Here's the tricky part. Because of the disproportionate weight of the negative, balance does not mean a 50-50 equilibrium. Researchers have carefully charted the amount of time couples spend fighting vs. interacting positively. And they have found that a very specific ratio exists between the amount of positivity and negativity required to make married life satisfying to both partners.

That magic ratio is five to one. As long as there was five times as much positive feeling and interaction between husband and wife as there was negative, researchers found, the marriage was likely to be stable over time. In contrast, those couples who were heading for divorce were doing far too little on the positive side to compensate for the growing negativity between them.

Other researchers have found the same results in other spheres of our life. It is the frequency of small positive acts that matters most, in a ratio of about five to one.

Occasional big positive experiences—say, a birthday bash—are nice. But they don't make the necessary impact on our brain to override the tilt to negativity. It takes frequent small positive experiences to tip the scales toward happiness.

[doodah]

Flash, I agree with your assessments. While I'd like to think Jackovesk is correct, and he probably is for some people, it is very clear that the majority of people on this planet are not able to wade through the constant negative bombardment and be unaffected by it. The downward spiral is very evident in our society, from the top down.

Sierra, I agree that this is an important thread. And since no one has addressed my questions from page 1, #15, I will repeat a few of the things I said there:

Aren't we obligated to INFORM the guest and member readers of this Forum that excessive focus on negative material will be detrimental to their brain function and will do TPTB's negative work for them? Shouldn't we post a WARNING, which includes a reference to Carmody's initial post?

In my mind, the WARNING I'm suggesting is the same thing as demanding that GMO foods be labelled. According to some research (not Monsanto's) GMO foods mess up our digestive tract and essentially we poison ourselves when we eat them. To NOT label them is to condone and support the unwitting poisoning of uninformed people. Pleez... this is not ethical.

I don't see how what's happening here is any different. Do we accept this scientific evidence or not? Is it real and true or not? If it's true, why aren't we acting on this new knowledge and warning people up front?

[Flash]

I find your comments very interesting Doodah. Specially when comparing negaitive thinking and environment with GMO.

It is surely as pernicious since it has been going on for thousands of years without our conscious acknowledgement of what was happening. It is as well surley more poisonous, leading to insanity of most human, in other words, our brains and perceptions are insane on average.

Negativity has served its purpose at the brute mammal survival level and does note need to be spread to further human development, it probably now hinders it.

Putting a warning would be very effective in making anyone consulting this forum aware of this widespread problem, as putting a warning for ferocious dogs, armed and ready shooters, GMO food, etc. We are not conscious yet of the impact of negativity as a whole.

However, such a warning would have to be somewhat explained and approved obviously by Bill. The idea is really great though. I will put it on my front door at home (and one on the fridge for eating too much this one lol)

It is still more powerful when there is pictures paired with the warning. I wonder which pictures we could find.

To me, this thread, Houman's thread, the psychopaths threads and information are very important to be aware of facts: who we are as a society, what we are dealing with and how change could be implementetd (at least to see the light at the end of the tunnel for change implementation). Then all the threads on spiritual development have to follow to avoird falling into negarivism and to get tools to change.

If awareness is one of the objective of this forum, yes, warning would be eficient.

[ThePythonicCow]

Shouldn't we post a WARNING...?
I'm not quite getting my head around what this WARNING would say, or accomplish. Sometimes that means I'm missing something; sometimes that means that something is not right.

The best I can do at the moment, to express my confusion and doubts, is to respond with a bit of a quip: Do you mean a notice saying something like: "WARNING: Be afraid of the fear" ?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think what causes the dumbing affect is watching Fox News... ;)

how many have been standing in a customer service line and get the 25 year veteran of complaints to help you...

30 minutes later get the $3 for the return...

will you ever go back again for a diddly item's return?

you've been taught the benefit of dumbness to companies...

[Rocky_Shorz]

now another question, do we get dumber sitting around and talking about a poor ol lady that should have retired 20 years ago, or actually taking complaints...

does solving the situation for the person with the compaint make one smarter?

we only get dumber on failure? maybe it is the failures causing the downward spiral...

to break even, we need to solve the moment...

if you do it quick it's like a slot machine going off in your head... winner!!!

look at that pile of brain cells growing...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Shouldn't we post a WARNING...?
I'm not quite getting my head around what this WARNING would say, or accomplish. Sometimes that means I'm missing something; sometimes that means that something is not right.

The best I can do at the moment, to express my confusion and doubts, is to respond with a bit of a quip: Do you mean a notice saying something like: "WARNING: Be afraid of the fear" ?

or

WARNING Fear porn is known to make the dumb dumber... click here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48523-12-Step-Program-for-Fear-Porn-Addiction...&p=537567&viewfull=1#post537567) to get started...

[Flash]

Shouldn't we post a WARNING...?
I'm not quite getting my head around what this WARNING would say, or accomplish. Sometimes that means I'm missing something; sometimes that means that something is not right.

The best I can do at the moment, to express my confusion and doubts, is to respond with a bit of a quip: Do you mean a notice saying something like: "WARNING: Be afraid of the fear" ?

very funnty Paul, I was just thinking of warnings like on cigarette packs,

it would rather be "Warning, excessive negativity may harm your brain", however, thinking of it, it may as well kill the forum lol cause isn't conspiracy by definition negative?.... hum..

I know, GFL had the answer.... lol lol

[music]

My dauhgter used to say, when around her dad, when she was about 6-7, with her little difficult to find words, (her dad was and still is hypernegative): he changed me mommy, he changed me, I lost something. She was right and I scientifically knew it then, but my heart had not doubt even before.

to conlcude, Music, I do not agree with you. There is amounts of negativity that will have a major impact on a human being. Year after year, day after day, being bombarded by the media plus bombarded at home, one cannot resist and either becomes very negative himself or dies there (get a cancer or something).

I now came to the same conclusion as Carmody: escape those vampires as the pest. But first, I had and still have to clean up myself and whatever in me that attracted them.

Hi Flash, "cleaning up myself and whatever in me that attracted them" would perhaps equate to the concept of rediscovering our true natures? In that case we are more in agreement than you may think. With our child, my partner and I try to allow him to be himself without being forced to "lose" something, and this is a task that requires constant awareness. We make mistakes of course, but we try our best. Children are hyper-aware, but lose this awareness easily in the face of indoctrination into the perceived reality. Your daughter was aware of this, but it is nobody's fault that it has happened like it has since we are all victims of indoctrination and loss to a lesser or greater degree, even the negative father. All that happens to us shapes who we are, and it does no good to bemoan our fate.

As an example, I was repeatedly sexually abused as a young child, it was traumatic and damaging, but I would not change one thing that happened if it was in my power to do so. In wishing to change my history, I am in a very real way saying to myself "there is something wrong with you as you are now", and that is not a very good place from which to rediscover my true nature. In fact, all the difficulties in my life have combined with all the joy to create the perfect learning and growing environment for me, and in recognising this, I thrive. Strife is food to me, and joy is cool, clean water. All is well.

Love

[doodah]

Shouldn't we post a WARNING...?
I'm not quite getting my head around what this WARNING would say, or accomplish. Sometimes that means I'm missing something; sometimes that means that something is not right.

The best I can do at the moment, to express my confusion and doubts, is to respond with a bit of a quip: Do you mean a notice saying something like: "WARNING: Be afraid of the fear" ?

What the WARNING would say remains to be determined. Bill would have to understand the need for such a thing and agree that posting it would be a service to the community. No, of course not "Be afraid of the fear." More like: "Be aware that excessive indulgence in negative input can damage your brain" ... and then link to the scientific evidence.

What it would accomplish would be RAISING AWARENESS.

Some people know this on an intuitive level ... anyone who is really tuned into the body/mind connection knows this already. Being fearful floods your body with certain chemicals and hormones that do not promote health. [edit to add: stress, adrenal exhaustion, kidney function, and other physical/mental effects] Okay, it serves a purpose when a grizzly is looming over you, but to sit in front of a TV or computer and flood your body with those same chemicals becomes unhealthy. The body reacts. That's what fear IS: a reaction, a physical, chemical, body/mind reaction.

So, now Carmody has found this wonderful piece of information that shows the literal negative effect on our minds - we can actually harm our own brain function.

Although a lot of the material on Avalon indeed does run to the negative, it seems to me (and Flash gets this, too) that telling everyone in advance of the dangers is the very least we can do for our brothers and sisters who visit here. If they choose to go ahead, it's an informed choice. This is exactly the same thing as the GMO labelling issue. Informed choice.

Right now, most people are NOT informed as to the harm they can do to themselves by indulging in negative input. Let's inform them. In fact, I think we have an obligation to inform them. If we want to create a better world than the one we have, how can we know this and not tell everyone who visits here? Otherwise, all we're doing is the same thing Monsanto is doing. I don't liken myself to them! Do you?

This is a SUBTLE working of energy, but a true one. They've proven it! What more evidence do you need? Do you think this doesn't apply to YOU? [edit to add: Paul, not meaning you only, but anyone reading this] Of course it does. TPTB wouldn't put so much time and effort into dragging us down if they thought their efforts wouldn't work. No, they understand this brain impairment through negative input very well; their efforts are working beautifully. So if we tell people up front what can happen, they can choose whether to cooperate with their own mental breakdown. Isn't that a service to the community?

This is one point where Avalon intersects with the real world in a very real way. This is not just an intellectual exercise here. Sometimes people read positive posts and get really inspired, their spirits lift. This is a good thing, good for health. We don't question that. But the negative? We say okay, yeah, it's negative, but no harm done. Well, not so, according to Carmody's post. But do people KNOW that? No, they don't. We should tell them. That's what the WARNING is about.

[Jeffrey]

http://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/listening-to-complainers-is-bad-for-your-brain.html?nav=pop

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The mind begins to DEVOLVE.

One begins to dumb the self down, with a negative outlook. The brain literally begins to strip itself of it's intellect and problem solving capacities and limit itself into lesser solutions that are less thought out with fewer options.

Options that are more violent, more base, less reach, less future, less ability in all areas of finality or intellect.

It's the closing of all doors, not an opening.

That is part of the agenda, to dumb people down so they can be continually manipulated into a paranoid war footing and setting that is permanently into and on the path of a downward spiral. an agenda that arises from people who live that way, think that way, who have devolved that way, who's minds are wired that way, who's ideas on society are generations long and deep in that way of thinking and being. And most importantly, in their actual mental error and 'self de-evolution'....pass it on to their children... and try to foist it onto and into all of the rest of us.

And it is literally....STUPID.

Thus the idea of separation of people, violence in the society, war war war.... and so on.

All of that is a literal breakdown of the mind, in the sense of actual mental breakdown of the mind into a lesser intellect, less capacity to see happiness and associated paths to happiness and freedom.

This post was borne out of a point I was trying to make in a thread - a thread about this recent theater killing in the USA. About how 'everyone packing heat' was exactly the WRONG solution, not the solution.

For that solution of everyone packing heat was the thing that would place a permanent paranoid veil over everything.....as everyone would be living in a permanent filter and undercurrent of paranoia and fear. Not safety -- exactly the opposite of safety. A underlying fear and negativity which would literally make people evolve or more correctly....devolve into stupid.

So America, and other countries right now..the entire environment is about the literal task and situation/reality of stripping people's intellect from them.

A Buddhist or similar minded person...with a positive and open outlook...can meditate and actually, physically INCREASE their intellect and problem solving capacities.

(happy people doing what they enjoy are seven times more efficient in those tasks and efforts)

An upward spiral, due to positive motive, positive thinking, positive unfolding.

Thus.... literally.....it's all in your head.

Hi Carmody, this video reminded me of some concepts brought up in the OP.

The Power (and Constraints) of Perception

BU8WEVn_LMg

[Flash]

Very good video Vivek, thank you. I truly enjoyed it and learned as well.