Having Sex With The Other Side

[TelosianEmbrace]

Lilou of Juicy Living chatted with Stephanie Riseley about her having energetic sex with her deceased partner. We are all primarily spirit inhabiting a physical body and I do not see why, in a close and loving long term relationship, a deceased partner should not be able to visit his/her husband/wife after death.

On a similar note, I have had energetic sex with a woman while we were both out of body, and my hands actually moved through her body. It was an intensely enjoyable experience.

This is the first time I've heard this topic mentioned directly, and was wondering just how common the phenomenon is.

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[Tony]

So...it's all in the mind!

[christian]

That's been my first though as well :biggrin1:

But then she said she's actually missing his chest and his butt. :o

[sirdipswitch]

Astral Sex is quite common actually, and William Buhlman lists several cases, in his book, "The Seret O f The soul".
And yes... I do. hehehehechucklechucklechuckle.

Sure ain't gettin much work done around the house though. hehehe.

Love, Peace, Humor
sirdipswitch

[spiritguide]

We are not in Kansas anymore. Yes Tony, in the mind as expressed through the heart, the symbol of love.

[Maia Gabrial]

On a similar note, I have had energetic sex with a woman while we were both out of body, and my hands actually moved through her body. It was an intensely enjoyable experience.

Isn't that what tantric sex is?

[Maia Gabrial]

In a book I read, it said that on the other side, spirit experiences sex differently than we do, but is 10 times greater and more enjoyable. That might explain why there's such a preoccupation with sex among humans. People are remembering how it felt and want it on this level.

[sirdipswitch]

Why do you spose we were made Male and Female. hmm.

Can you say exquisitely beautifull. hehehehechucklechuckle.

hehehehe. Think I'll go take a nap. chuckle chuckle chuckle.

[sirdipswitch]

Speaking of Male and Female, do you know that when we originally left the World of Spirit, we were divided into Male and Female, and that is our big search that we can't figure out. hmm. And... when you find yours, as I did, (nope, she wasn't on this world) extacy... will climb to a whole new level, that is absolutely indiscribable. And... you will again know... nope, not gonna tell ya... you go find out... hehehehe.

[CdnSirian]

Yes, it is all in the mind ya' know...the dimension-crossing mind that we all have.

I haven't experienced this personally but I do know someone who did, and she got to the "I'm sorry I have a headache tonight dear" point, as it was so intense.

[NancyV]

I call it "astral sex" but it's so far beyond sex that describing it as sex almost diminishes it somewhat. If you're in an astral realm where you have a form you can "feel" the other beings form and energy in addition to having telepathy, but it's still a merging much more than a physical sex. Tantric sex, although closer to astral sex, is still not the same as being out of body completely. I guess if you're very adept at tantric sex it might instigate an OBE and propel you into the astral, so it could lead to that level. Once you're beyond the astral it's more about pure merging. I've merged with all types of beings, male, female, strange looking creatures, no matter what form they choose they can all be merged with since they are energy/consciousness. If I'm in astral realms I can have a female or male body but often I am genderless.

Choosing a gender for your astral body is either a matter of habit or for playing different games, once you learn that you can create your form. For me the urge to merge increases with each upshift in vibrational dimensions. Once I leave the dimensions of forms behind, I become more like an amorphous ball of glowing energy. The more beings I merge with the higher our vibration becomes and the "larger" we become because we are more whole. We/I continue on merging with other parts of ourselves until we merge with the Source. At that point we are completely whole. Of course you can also merge with Source quickly and not go through the process of merging with other parts of yourself. There is not just one way of becoming the Source. Your imagination and willpower will determine your path.

Then the game starts all over again as we split off from Source and come into the Creation. The entire journey can take place and I might have only been out of body for an hour or two. For me it seems like an eternity has passed because I've been in 'no time'. I come back into my body, which feels like being compressed to such a tiny point that I think I'll never compress that far! It also gets very dense and heavy as the vibrational rate slows down to the frequency of this dimension. It's sort like being put into a tiny prison cell.

Merging with beings in other dimensions makes me laugh a lot. It's so awesome and the vibration is so high that it sort of tickles every single cell of the energy body and consciousness. It's like every cell having multiple orgasms for a very long time and it's this way every time we merge all the way to the Source. As sirdipswitch says, it's ecstasy!

[Kindred]

Now... Does all this banter qualify as internet porn?

[Carmody]

I call it "astral sex" but it's so far beyond sex that describing it as sex almost diminishes it somewhat. If you're in an astral realm where you have a form you can "feel" the other beings form and energy in addition to having telepathy, but it's still a merging much more than a physical sex. Tantric sex, although closer to astral sex, is still not the same as being out of body completely. I guess if you're very adept at tantric sex it might instigate an OBE and propel you into the astral, so it could lead to that level. Once you're beyond the astral it's more about pure merging. I've merged with all types of beings, male, female, strange looking creatures, no matter what form they choose they can all be merged with since they are energy/consciousness. If I'm in astral realms I can have a female or male body but often I am genderless.

Choosing a gender for your astral body is either a matter of habit or for playing different games, once you learn that you can create your form. For me the urge to merge increases with each upshift in vibrational dimensions. Once I leave the dimensions of forms behind, I become more like an amorphous ball of glowing energy. The more beings I merge with the higher our vibration becomes and the "larger" we become because we are more whole. We/I continue on merging with other parts of ourselves until we merge with the Source. At that point we are completely whole. Of course you can also merge with Source quickly and not go through the process of merging with other parts of yourself. There is not just one way of becoming the Source. Your imagination and willpower will determine your path.

Then the game starts all over again as we split off from Source and come into the Creation. The entire journey can take place and I might have only been out of body for an hour or two. For me it seems like an eternity has passed because I've been in 'no time'. I come back into my body, which feels like being compressed to such a tiny point that I think I'll never compress that far! It also gets very dense and heavy as the vibrational rate slows down to the frequency of this dimension. It's sort like being put into a tiny prison cell.

Merging with beings in other dimensions makes me laugh a lot. It's so awesome and the vibration is so high that it sort of tickles every single cell of the energy body and consciousness. It's like every cell having multiple orgasms for a very long time and it's this way every time we merge all the way to the Source. As sirdipswitch says, it's ecstasy!

My personal experience is that this, as reflections back into the body, is where the intensity of 'feeling' comes from. This sense of ecstasy in the extreme. It's beyond having all the dials turned to 11 all the time, continually...as it is beyond the body's limits...and the only thing that takes us down from that high is time and this act of forgetting, over this given time. Like the tail end of a dream.

[wynderer]

just a couple of things to say re this thread, what little of it i could stomach :

1[ YUCK!

2] From your controllers: We thank you all for making it so easy for us to harvest your energy -- thanks! yum-yum!

[PS -- & i'm not even drinking whiskey tonite]

[westhill]

They can't take your energy. You have to give it. But you can't protect what you don't know you have.
We've been taught to not explore our power. To be afraid or not to believe in it. Well it showed up
anyway. I decided to trust myself, nobody else. So on my own, and with my Google Guru, I've been
navigating my awakening. It is very tantric, personal and natural.

[wynderer]

no -- they're not taking your energy -- you are giving it to them

pursuit of personal sensations of 'bliss'/'ecstacy' in the 3D[body] & 4D [mind/astral] planes seems to tie in w/mental constructs re 'creating one's personal reality'

[NancyV]

just a couple of things to say re this thread, what little of it i could stomach :

1[ YUCK!

2] From your controllers: We thank you all for making it so easy for us to harvest your energy -- thanks! yum-yum!

[PS -- & i'm not even drinking whiskey tonite]
Your continued attempts to disempower others is noted. You think you speak for THE controllers and you call them "your controllers" attempting to distance yourself from what you see as the pathetic human condition. First of all I do not accept controllers and your mission to give them more power is not acceptable to me. Apparently you've been hanging out so long with negative energies, whether willingly or unwillingly, that you come across as trying to make everyone else feel as miserable and disempowered as you are.

I am not surprised that you "cannot stomach" a conversation which doesn't concentrate on fear, helplessness, pain and acceptance of the all powerful ET's and Archontic energies. So your mission is to remind the pathetic and inferior humans that the controllers have total control and the pathetic humans willingly give them that control.

Of course YOU know all this because you are a member of MENSA with a very high IQ and you are an abductee reptilian hybrid who has been tortured and controlled. You wonder why you don't gain more sympathy and you mention it OFTEN in your posts in your transparent attempts to make people feel guilty. I'll tell you why. It's because there are many intelligent and perceptive people here who will not accept your victim mentality and your attempts to disempower them and cast blame, shame and guilt upon them.

It looks to me like YOUR controllers and abductors have successfully programmed you to do your best to attempt to disempower the pathetic humans, IF your story is even close to truth and not a psychotic delusion. It's not working and it won't work, at least not for the vast majority of us to whom your tactics are transparent and unacceptable.

[westhill]

wynderer...
I agree with you. We give up to many altars our energies, willingly.
Ironically, usually not to ourselves. This energy is me, not to be shared.
We live our lives hardly knowing who we are or what we are capable of.
Let intuition and discernment be our guides.

[Sebastion]

My goodness NancyV, you took the words right out of my mouth. Much thanks!





just a couple of things to say re this thread, what little of it i could stomach :

1[ YUCK!

2] From your controllers: We thank you all for making it so easy for us to harvest your energy -- thanks! yum-yum!

[PS -- & i'm not even drinking whiskey tonite]
Your continued attempts to disempower others is noted. You think you speak for THE controllers and you call them "your controllers" attempting to distance yourself from what you see as the pathetic human condition. First of all I do not accept controllers and your mission to give them more power is not acceptable to me. Apparently you've been hanging out so long with negative energies, whether willingly or unwillingly, that you come across as trying to make everyone else feel as miserable and disempowered as you are.

I am not surprised that you "cannot stomach" a conversation which doesn't concentrate on fear, helplessness, pain and acceptance of the all powerful ET's and Archontic energies. So your mission is to remind the pathetic and inferior humans that the controllers have total control and the pathetic humans willingly give them that control.

Of course YOU know all this because you are a member of MENSA with a very high IQ and you are an abductee reptilian hybrid who has been tortured and controlled. You wonder why you don't gain more sympathy and you mention it OFTEN in your posts in your transparent attempts to make people feel guilty. I'll tell you why. It's because there are many intelligent and perceptive people here who will not accept your victim mentality and your attempts to disempower them and cast blame, shame and guilt upon them.

It looks to me like YOUR controllers and abductors have successfully programmed you to do your best to attempt to disempower the pathetic humans, IF your story is even close to truth and not a psychotic delusion. It's not working and it won't work, at least not for the vast majority of us to whom your tactics are transparent and unacceptable.

[wynderer]

Westhill -- from your post:

'We live our lives hardly knowing who we are or what we are capable of.'

yes -- & what i see being described in posts on this thread is divine souls in Human bodies becoming trapped , collectively, & accepting dry moldy bread & stagnant water when they could be partaking of the great feast of Life


wynderer...
I agree with you. We give up to many altars our energies, willingly.
Ironically, usually not to ourselves. This energy is me, not to be shared.
We live our lives hardly knowing who we are or what we are capable of.
Let intuition and discernment be our guides.

[another bob]

...what i see being described in posts on this thread is divine souls in Human bodies becoming trapped , collectively, & accepting dry moldy bread & stagnant water when they could be partaking of the great feast of Life


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[wynderer]

i was wondering why several threads re sex appeared close together in time on the forum...

i saw something when i read what i could stomach of this thread, & again when i read Kingmonkey's first post on the porn thread -- i've been processing it -- what i saw is that there are 2 very powerful ways in which the controllers of this planet -- the NWO nazi/reptilian/grey/human/God knows what else alliance -- 2 of the major ways they siphon off human energy collectively

one is thru war, which is always going on in an least one place on this planet -- you don't find many 'creating your own reality' posters on the net from countries being ravaged by war

the other is thru sexual energy -- the porn addiction thread -- there are many many humans caught in this trap -- & the other is thru the use of Kundalini energy for one's own 'bliss'/'joy'/'ecstacy' --especially all this sex stuff in the astral planes -- yo! dudes! & dudettes! we need warriors & warrioresses there right now

[NancyV]

i was wondering why several threads re sex appeared close together in time on the forum...

i saw something when i read what i could stomach of this thread, & again when i read Kingmonkey's first post on the porn thread -- i've been processing it -- what i saw is that there are 2 very powerful ways in which the controllers of this planet -- the NWO nazi/reptilian/grey/human/God knows what else alliance -- 2 of the major ways they siphon off human energy collectively

one is thru war, which is always going on in an least one place on this planet -- you don't find many 'creating your own reality' posters on the net from countries being ravaged by war

the other is thru sexual energy -- the porn addiction thread -- there are many many humans caught in this trap -- & the other is thru the use of Kundalini energy for one's own 'bliss'/'joy'/'ecstacy' --especially all this sex stuff in the astral planes -- yo! dudes! & dudettes! we need warriors & warrioresses there right now
This is interesting coming from a self proclaimed reptilian hybrid who has been programmed by those who have a negative agenda towards humans. Instead of coming into a thread and taking a negative dump and leaving a reeking stench of foul energy behind, how about not demeaning those of us who know what we're talking about when we speak of "astral sex". If you haven't had any conscious travels to less dense dimensions and engaged in merging with other beings, then you would obviously have no idea that it's all about LOVE and WHOLENESS.

Of course I understand you must have an agenda, like your puppeteer abductors, but as long as you're hanging around with us humans it would only be kind of me to tell you that you need to GET A CLUE. I doubt if there are many people who don't see how rude and nasty you are by now, except for a few who still have a misplaced sympathy for you and somehow seem to ignore you vile energy dumps and manipulations. I do not intend to ignore you anymore. When you spew out crap, I will call you on your crap. I am not a politically correct person and I have absolutely NO sympathy for someone who continually demeans others. You will get what you put out, back from me...in equal measure.

[Shamz]

Wow Nancy - this is so powerful . I felt as if you spoke for all of us... cause we share the feeling. THANKS



just a couple of things to say re this thread, what little of it i could stomach :

1[ YUCK!

2] From your controllers: We thank you all for making it so easy for us to harvest your energy -- thanks! yum-yum!

[PS -- & i'm not even drinking whiskey tonite]
Your continued attempts to disempower others is noted. You think you speak for THE controllers and you call them "your controllers" attempting to distance yourself from what you see as the pathetic human condition. First of all I do not accept controllers and your mission to give them more power is not acceptable to me. Apparently you've been hanging out so long with negative energies, whether willingly or unwillingly, that you come across as trying to make everyone else feel as miserable and disempowered as you are.

I am not surprised that you "cannot stomach" a conversation which doesn't concentrate on fear, helplessness, pain and acceptance of the all powerful ET's and Archontic energies. So your mission is to remind the pathetic and inferior humans that the controllers have total control and the pathetic humans willingly give them that control.

Of course YOU know all this because you are a member of MENSA with a very high IQ and you are an abductee reptilian hybrid who has been tortured and controlled. You wonder why you don't gain more sympathy and you mention it OFTEN in your posts in your transparent attempts to make people feel guilty. I'll tell you why. It's because there are many intelligent and perceptive people here who will not accept your victim mentality and your attempts to disempower them and cast blame, shame and guilt upon them.

It looks to me like YOUR controllers and abductors have successfully programmed you to do your best to attempt to disempower the pathetic humans, IF your story is even close to truth and not a psychotic delusion. It's not working and it won't work, at least not for the vast majority of us to whom your tactics are transparent and unacceptable.

[another bob]

Wow Nancy - this is so powerful . I felt as if you spoke for all of us... cause we share the feeling.

That's our Nancy!

:rockon: :kiss:

[TelosianEmbrace]

I did not mean to cause any dissent. I agree that our sexuality can be beautiful, profound, and lead to enlightenment. Through posting this thread I was not and am not consciously attempting to further the agenda of the controllers. I was simply interested in the notion that there may be (Perhaps older) couples out there, one of which may still not be incarnate. I see Nancy's response as an open minded assessment of the purpose of sexuality as a bridge to higher dimensions, and it is obvious that those such as sirdipswitch and Carmody have their own experiences of this.

If there are others of you who wish to share your experiences of this delicate topic, then I ask that you may be able to share in a supportive environment.

Blessings to all.

[ivaray]

Now... Does all this banter qualify as internet porn?

Masters and followers of the Tantric yoga or worship do not shy away to associate various bodily reactions to the spirit and energy paths. The followers of this path are rather spiritual seekers with intense experiences, often difficult to simply stream into an everyday language. The comment you made was very banal and demeaning. You may take some time to investigate basic information on Tantrism so you do not fall into the trap of self-imposed ignorance. I am sure some experts of Avalonians can provide good expert sites, I have books and basic knowledge, but have a hard time to determine what would be the best websites to visit.


Your comment seems to have a reference to the recent youtube user Gursant Singh (Title: "Yogi Bhajan's 'Porn Art'"), which appeals to the argument that Tantrism, even Shiva tradition, are both the idol worships. This specific video shows an enormous spiritual, even religious, intolerance. "Only fools worship idols" --says the author, who left this worship tradition after over twenty years of practicing the same path. Doesn't this fact speak in thousands words?This is one of the biggest misinterpretations of the Tantric and even much bigger, wide spread Shiva spiritual paths I have seen lately. I do not want to publish this youtube lecture at the site, but whoever interested just search for "Yogi Bhajan's 'Porn Art," and judge for yourself--promotion of the religious and spiritual intolerance of the Shiva path.

[Kindred]

The comment you made was very banal and demeaning.


Your comment seems to have a reference to the recent youtube user Gursant Singh (Title: "Yogi Bhajan's 'Porn Art'"), which appeals to the argument that Tantrism, even Shiva tradition, are both the idol worships.

Actually, I don't know about this video, or 'Tantric yoga/worship' At All - I don't worship Anything, except Life, Free Will, and Universal Law - or should I say, Respect ... my comment was an indirect reference to another thread, which I won't read, "the dangers of internet porn', or some such allusion. In fact, I fully subscribe to pie'n'al's description of 'sex', as 'it's all in the mind'...

As to sexuality... I don't wish to go into particulars, but I can tell you that the construction and manipulation of 'sex', and sexuality here on Earth, has become a tool for a very destructive and controlling methodology. It doesn't need to be this way, but one must be quite discerning in understanding the reasons for 'sex', which goes into something far deeper than what most think it is. And, in the same breath, I can also say it is something rather 'trivial', upon which far too much emphasis is placed -particularly at this time.

What anyone wishes to do or believe in terms of 'sex', or sexuality, is completely up to the individual, aside from the gross mutilation or manipulation/use of children, or even adults, in perverse acts for one's own physical or mental pleasure.

It appears that you've made particular effort to understand these things relative to Tantrisim, and all the other facets you describe... I have not,, and thus do not fill my mind with these diversions and manipulations. Free Will is Ours.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[wynderer]

i thought a forum was an area for courteously discussing different points of view

here'a different p.o.v. re the bit o'potty mouth in NancyV's post -- just a thought -- James Bartley says that vulgarity & crudity is a sign of Reptilian influence [sorry- couldn't resist ]-- Another Bob, i've said what i wanted to say re the practice of astral sex --will leave you all to enjoy yourselves now





i was wondering why several threads re sex appeared close together in time on the forum...

i saw something when i read what i could stomach of this thread, & again when i read Kingmonkey's first post on the porn thread -- i've been processing it -- what i saw is that there are 2 very powerful ways in which the controllers of this planet -- the NWO nazi/reptilian/grey/human/God knows what else alliance -- 2 of the major ways they siphon off human energy collectively

one is thru war, which is always going on in an least one place on this planet -- you don't find many 'creating your own reality' posters on the net from countries being ravaged by war

the other is thru sexual energy -- the porn addiction thread -- there are many many humans caught in this trap -- & the other is thru the use of Kundalini energy for one's own 'bliss'/'joy'/'ecstacy' --especially all this sex stuff in the astral planes -- yo! dudes! & dudettes! we need warriors & warrioresses there right now
This is interesting coming from a self proclaimed reptilian hybrid who has been programmed by those who have a negative agenda towards humans. Instead of coming into a thread and taking a negative dump and leaving a reeking stench of foul energy behind, how about not demeaning those of us who know what we're talking about when we speak of "astral sex". If you haven't had any conscious travels to less dense dimensions and engaged in merging with other beings, then you would obviously have no idea that it's all about LOVE and WHOLENESS.

Of course I understand you must have an agenda, like your puppeteer abductors, but as long as you're hanging around with us humans it would only be kind of me to tell you that you need to GET A CLUE. I doubt if there are many people who don't see how rude and nasty you are by now, except for a few who still have a misplaced sympathy for you and somehow seem to ignore you vile energy dumps and manipulations. I do not intend to ignore you anymore. When you spew out crap, I will call you on your crap. I am not a politically correct person and I have absolutely NO sympathy for someone who continually demeans others. You will get what you put out, back from me...in equal measure.

[westhill]

From what I've experienced, all this tantric energy can not begin until you have heart chakra integrity.
This isn't some one-night stand. This is a relationship with your life force. As with any "resource" it can
be abused in accordance with free will. It is sacred, I am sacred and I will not be told that this is porn.
This whole discussion has become tiresome.

[Daughter of Time]

Whenever I've been aware of astral travel and sex taking place, the experiences have always been gentle and pleasing, nowhere nearly as intense as physical sex since the physical component was missing. But I was always left feeling good as nothing happened against my will. As a matter of fact, it always left me wanting more, and upon returning to my body, I always felt extremely well.

Sex in dreams, however, has brought completely different experiences. It has ranged from intensely pleasurable to downright disturbing. I imagine this is because in a dream state, I am not consciously aware of what is taking place therefore have not been able to exercise control over what happens. Some of the experiences in my dream state have definitely been against my will with beings i did not like. So for me the difference has always been a matter of being aware and a willing participant, or being unconscious and at the mercy of whatever wanted to have its way with me.

And I don't think that any of this is pornographic since the experiences have not been described in explicit details.

[sirdipswitch]

Wynderer

My Higher Self, does not allow, that I become entangled in negative conversation, but has agreed to letting an old friend, sum it up for me.

Budda said: "The ultimate ignorance, is rejecting something you know nothing about, and then refusing to investigate it for yourself."


Love, Peace, Humor
sirdipswitch

[another bob]

Another Bob, i've said what i wanted to say re the practice of astral sex --will leave you all to enjoy yourselves now

Thank you, Sister!

Much love and Blessing on your way.

:yo:

[NancyV]

Wynderer

My Higher Self, does not allow, that I become entangled in negative conversation, but has agreed to letting an old friend, sum it up for me.

Budda said: "The ultimate ignorance, is rejecting something you know nothing about, and then refusing to investigate it for yourself."


Love, Peace, Humor
sirdipswitch
Not only is your HS funny, he sounds like some kind of a monk! George the monk! LOL... My HS, the one I become in denser dimensions, is more of a warrior type dude and he likes to fight "evil" and urges me to jump into the game. Here on earth I'm female but still often like a sort of aggressive male in some of my characteristics. Luckily my husband is MUCH more aggressive! LOL....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of course I know this is basically all a game in all the different densities, but we each choose the games we want to play in all dimensions up to the Source. Anything good and pleasurable can be used against one and be twisted. Sex happens to be extremely pleasurable and can be used against one or to control one in mild ways, like women who manipulate their husbands, or in very evil ways. It can also be easily misunderstood and depending on ones degree of shame, guilt and blame, it can be used as a battering ram to play on any guilt we have accepted through our life long programming and experiences.

I have never felt guilty about sex, but I do detest porn or any kind of abuse surrounding sex. Any kind of S&M is a total turn off to me, but it does exist and seems to be thriving. If someone only has abusive types of sexual experiences or is fearful of sex, they would be more fearful and critical of a healthy discussion of sex, sort of like Wynderer is. They are operating from fear, guilt and shame, no matter how much they want us to think they know everything from their warped and sick point of view. So naturally they want US to feel that same stomach wrenching disgust and fear they feel, since they have chosen to play games of blame, shame and guilt. The more they can demean others, the better and more superior they think they feel. But it's a sick and pathetic game played by damaged people.

I have never experienced any kind of abusive or forced sex on any other dimension, but that could be because I have no fear whereby I can be controlled by a more powerful entity. It is our fear that allows us to be controlled because we are so powerful that we will manifest that fear, creating a situation where we are helpless and have a fearful experience. It's just part of the learning process and completely natural. If you have no fear and feel no shame or guilt, then merging with other beings is ecstasy since you are rejoining with other parts of yourself.

[Maia Gabrial]

Be very careful when dealing with entities from the 4D.

[another bob]

If you have no fear and feel no shame or guilt, then merging with other beings is ecstasy since you are rejoining with other parts of yourself.

I have been pondering this theme you've graciously shared here, Sister, and it is illuminating in a number of ways. As a child, my instinct was to merge with everybody and everything. Of course, this was not a sexual motive per se, just that I felt this intense attraction to anything that appeared to my attention, and I was moved to lose myself in any and all of it. As I aged, this inclination was channeled into a pathway that seemed to support its evolution, which was through merger with the Divine itself.

Being raised an Irish Catholic, I became the first altar boy in my class, so that I could be "closer" to the Eucharist. It was no surprise to anyone who knew me that I would enter the seminary at 13, but I was to discover that religion itself was anti-merger, so I discarded the whole path and instead became a hermit living in a tent by a river in the High Sierras, where I returned to my first love -- merging with nature.

While there, a friend came to visit me and left me with the Bhagavad Gita. Reading it, I realized that there was actually a method that described my own efforts, called "meditation". I wanted to learn more about this, so I came back to the city and found a teacher, Suzuki Roshi, in the phone book under "Meditation". In the meantime, I was drafted for the Viet Nam war, but was able to secure a conscientious objector status, and went to work at a residential treatment center for emotionally challenged pre-teens. There I met a fellow counsellor, a magnificent lesbian yogini, who took me under her wing and taught me about astral sex, which revealed to me another delicious aspect of merging.

When my teacher died, I also received a letter from the government which rather miraculously relieved me of any further committment to service, so I found another zen master at a monastery in Southern Cal. After a year or so with him, he told me one day that I wanted to merge with everything, because I was attached to the experience of the Absolute. Nevertheless, I needed to learn to discriminate in the relative world. He said that if I did not, I would never be balanced, but always one-sided.

This gave me something to ponder. Over the course of several decades and a number of relationships, sexual and otherwise, I was to find out what he was pointing to, though I am rather foolish and stubborn, and usually must repeat my errors a number of times before I see the light. I had to learn some subtle truths about union, and unity consciousness. As I did, I found out I also had to let them go too, and indeed, everything had to be released, before it could appear again as what it truly is, this innocent beauty, our infinite true nature and condition.

What I discovered, by Grace, is that there is no need to merge, since there has never been an inch of separation. From the very no-beginning, there has never been any division in consciousness, except what I may have superimposed on it in my own ignorance. This is like nothing I could have imagined!

[danceblackcatdance]

My goodness NancyV, you took the words right out of my mouth. Much thanks!





just a couple of things to say re this thread, what little of it i could stomach :

1[ YUCK!

2] From your controllers: We thank you all for making it so easy for us to harvest your energy -- thanks! yum-yum!

[PS -- & i'm not even drinking whiskey tonite]
Your continued attempts to disempower others is noted. You think you speak for THE controllers and you call them "your controllers" attempting to distance yourself from what you see as the pathetic human condition. First of all I do not accept controllers and your mission to give them more power is not acceptable to me. Apparently you've been hanging out so long with negative energies, whether willingly or unwillingly, that you come across as trying to make everyone else feel as miserable and disempowered as you are.

I am not surprised that you "cannot stomach" a conversation which doesn't concentrate on fear, helplessness, pain and acceptance of the all powerful ET's and Archontic energies. So your mission is to remind the pathetic and inferior humans that the controllers have total control and the pathetic humans willingly give them that control.

Of course YOU know all this because you are a member of MENSA with a very high IQ and you are an abductee reptilian hybrid who has been tortured and controlled. You wonder why you don't gain more sympathy and you mention it OFTEN in your posts in your transparent attempts to make people feel guilty. I'll tell you why. It's because there are many intelligent and perceptive people here who will not accept your victim mentality and your attempts to disempower them and cast blame, shame and guilt upon them.

It looks to me like YOUR controllers and abductors have successfully programmed you to do your best to attempt to disempower the pathetic humans, IF your story is even close to truth and not a psychotic delusion. It's not working and it won't work, at least not for the vast majority of us to whom your tactics are transparent and unacceptable.

ditto.....

[NancyV]

What I discovered, by Grace, is that there is no need to merge, since there has never been an inch of separation. From the very no-beginning, there has never been any division in consciousness, except what I may have superimposed on it in my own ignorance. This is like nothing I could have imagined!
Wow, Grace sounds like a smart cookie! LOL.... Of course you're right and that IS the ultimate truth. We are not separate. We're already ONE. (but merging is still FUN!) :p

[another bob]

What I discovered, by Grace, is that there is no need to merge, since there has never been an inch of separation. From the very no-beginning, there has never been any division in consciousness, except what I may have superimposed on it in my own ignorance. This is like nothing I could have imagined!
Wow, Grace sounds like a smart cookie! LOL.... Of course you're right and that IS the ultimate truth. We are not separate. We're already ONE. (but merging is still FUN!) :p

It's a great paradox, isn't it!

This guy seems to have articulated it pretty well:

God is Love. And Love must love. And to love there must be a Beloved. But since God is Existence infinite and eternal there is no one for Him to love but Himself. And in order to love Himself He must imagine Himself as the Beloved whom He as the Lover imagines He loves.
Beloved and Lover implies separation. And separation creates longing; and longing causes search. And the wider and the more intense the search the greater the separation and the more terrible the longing.
When longing is most intense separation is complete, and the purpose of separation, which was that Love might experience itself as Lover and Beloved, is fulfilled; and union follows. And when union is attained, the lover knows that he himself was all along the Beloved whom he loved and desired union with; and that all the impossible situations that he overcame were obstacles which he himself had placed in the path to himself.
To attain union is so impossibly difficult because it is impossible to become what you already are! Union is nothing other than knowledge of oneself as the Only One.

Excerpted from The Everything and The Nothing by Meher Baba

[Tarka the Duck]

Budda said: "The ultimate ignorance, is rejecting something you know nothing about, and then refusing to investigate it for yourself."


I think it was Wayne Dyer who said that...;)

[Antagenet]

Ohhh hehehe, has anyone ever made love in the virtual online world of Second Life?
Unbelievable!!!!!!!


So...it's all in the mind!

[NancyV]

What I discovered, by Grace, is that there is no need to merge, since there has never been an inch of separation. From the very no-beginning, there has never been any division in consciousness, except what I may have superimposed on it in my own ignorance. This is like nothing I could have imagined!
Wow, Grace sounds like a smart cookie! LOL.... Of course you're right and that IS the ultimate truth. We are not separate. We're already ONE. (but merging is still FUN!) :p

It's a great paradox, isn't it!

This guy seems to have articulated it pretty well:

God is Love. And Love must love. And to love there must be a Beloved. But since God is Existence infinite and eternal there is no one for Him to love but Himself. And in order to love Himself He must imagine Himself as the Beloved whom He as the Lover imagines He loves.
Beloved and Lover implies separation. And separation creates longing; and longing causes search. And the wider and the more intense the search the greater the separation and the more terrible the longing.
When longing is most intense separation is complete, and the purpose of separation, which was that Love might experience itself as Lover and Beloved, is fulfilled; and union follows. And when union is attained, the lover knows that he himself was all along the Beloved whom he loved and desired union with; and that all the impossible situations that he overcame were obstacles which he himself had placed in the path to himself.
To attain union is so impossibly difficult because it is impossible to become what you already are! Union is nothing other than knowledge of oneself as the Only One.

Excerpted from The Everything and The Nothing by Meher Baba
Gotta LOVE those awesome paradoxes (or is it paradoxae?) :haha:

It's only a pretend or perceptive paradox. Since all is one there can be no paradoxes.
(Did that make sense?) :wacko2:

[another bob]

It's only a pretend or perceptive paradox. Since all is one there can be no paradoxes.
(Did that make sense?) :wacko2:

Crystal!

:agree:

[heyokah]

Budda said: "The ultimate ignorance, is rejecting something you know nothing about, and then refusing to investigate it for yourself."




I think it was Wayne Dyer who said that...;)

You are right Tarka ! ;)


Buddha said that ignorance is the ultimate cause of stress and suffering.

http://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writings/CrossIndexed/Uncollected/MiscEssays/Ignorance.pdf

[ivaray]

I think I am not the best person to participate in this thread.... I am sorry... This discussion is way over my thoughts, standards, ideas, experiences, wishes, scope of knowledge, upbringing, clouds of hopes, interests... I guess I was caught in something that is very distant, and therefore, unknown to me. It turn out that I am a person with a self-imposed ignorance. I really do not know anything about astral beings at all--or how to pin the angel. Sorry, a wrong turn on my part.

[another bob]

I think I am not the best person to participate in this thread.... I am sorry... ..It turn out that I am a person with a self-imposed ignorance. I really do not know anything about astral beings at all...

Greetings, Friend!

We are all here to share and learn from each other. Humilty, when it is genuine, is more real and true than the delusion of being a "knower". Don't be so hard on yourself -- "not knowing" is our actual condition, and I am sure that any advanced member would tell you that all their knowledge pales in comparison to the enormity of the vast unknown that comprises this multiverse. We each have a little piece of the puzzle, or rather, we each are a unique expression of the Source of all life and light, which is mostly still a puzzle to us as long as we are relying on our intellect alone to peer into the wonder and mystery of existence.

If you are drawn to learning about the astral experience, you don't have to depend on second-hand information. You can discover directly for yourself what it is all about. A good place to start might be to peruse a companion thread, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47841-Adventures-Beyond-the-Body

Blessings!

[wynderer]

In a book I read, it said that on the other side, spirit experiences sex differently than we do, but is 10 times greater and more enjoyable. That might explain why there's such a preoccupation with sex among humans. People are remembering how it felt and want it on this level.

in keeping w/my theory that sexual energy is one of the big sources of energy for the controllers -- there is much talk on the net re the genetic manipulation of humans , long ago -- my understanding is that one of the ways the human mammalian body was manipulated was to put you all in a constant state of sexual heat -- as in being 'in heat ' [human term for their own bred animals] -- w/most mammals , the female is in heat for a short time only -- humans have been manipulated so that they are always in heat

add to that the manipulation of 4D/the astral planes, the mind as it relates to the human experience -- get that dimension saturated w/sex too -- & presto! an unending supply of energy for the controllers

[NancyV]

In a book I read, it said that on the other side, spirit experiences sex differently than we do, but is 10 times greater and more enjoyable. That might explain why there's such a preoccupation with sex among humans. People are remembering how it felt and want it on this level.

in keeping w/my theory that sexual energy is one of the big sources of energy for the controllers -- there is much talk on the net re the genetic manipulation of humans , long ago -- my understanding is that one of the ways the human mammalian body was manipulated was to put you all in a constant state of sexual heat -- as in being 'in heat ' [human term for their own bred animals] -- w/most mammals , the female is in heat for a short time only -- humans have been manipulated so that they are always in heat

add to that the manipulation of 4D/the astral planes, the mind as it relates to the human experience -- get that dimension saturated w/sex too -- & presto! an unending supply of energy for the controllers
Funny how you manage to take anything that has a good and loving side, totally divorce yourself from it and from the human race, then attempt to make others feel as much of a victim as you are. You turn it into something dirty, disgusting and something to be feared. Guilt, shame and fear don't work on me. YOUR guilt, shame, fear and blame is a choice. It's getting boring. Get over it!

[Joe Akulis]

Sounds like wynderer needs to go pull up the Song of Songs. :-)

[another bob]

Sounds like wynderer needs to go pull up the Song of Songs. :-)




Come,
my Beloved!

Let us go fearless to the bonfire!

Let us spend our dark night among the holy
hyenas and all that would rip and tear at
our facades until we are cleansed raw
of any pretense, any subtle sense of self
believed in need of preserving.

Let us rise early to the mist-kissed vineyards,
let our lingering sleepiness and dreamy self-images
be crushed like bunched grape clusters --
tart juice to sweet fruit wine.

Let us see if the vine of real love has budded,
its vulnerable tenderness blossomed open, light
into light, a song, a miracle of sound birth,
what no heart has even known, this
particular touch, this one.

Ancient balm, ever-fresh, the supernal grace
of welcoming spaciousness, of blue sky
dawning, this touch of Presence,
the mysterious movement
of life itself.

The jasmine beckons with its fragrance,
and at our doors are delicious fruits,
both new and old,
which I have kept for you,
my Beloved --

each is perfect death to
one whose appetite for truth is
greater than their need to salvage
dusty relics from the weary search.

By night on my worn cushion
I sought that which my soul loves;
I sought it, but I found it not.

I rose up then, and searched
the temples and high holy places,
and yet found it not, that which
my soul loves, that which
grants the heart
true peace.

Oh my Beloved,
you who tantalize the very air
with your majestic absence, why do you
yet hide your countenance from me,
why hold your sweet tongue mute?

My Beloved is mine, I am My Beloved’s.
Between us is the vast and windy chaos,
a filmy, blowsy garment stitched of
luminous dreams and dark imagination.

When we are at last stripped bare in the furnace
of love’s annihilation, our naked brilliance will
outshine sun and moon; our starry joy, bliss
entwined, will whirl through the shattered
gates of time.

Yes, for what I have sought, I am
not other; the eternal is not elsewhere,
and what I am, Beloved, and where I am,

You are.

Come, come my Beloved,
my Radiant One, my breath,
my blood, my tender heart beat!

The fire awaits, its impersonal flames
leap up at our approach.

Come, my Beloved—

we sleep now, but our
heart wakens.

We sleep now, but
our heart wakens.

[Spiral]

The words succubus & incubus come to mind, astral entities that exchange pleasure for life energy.

[Sierra]

Breathe. Can we calm down here? We all speak from our experience. All of us.

If a milab has been through MKUltra/Monarch/Montauk projects, they are going to express opinions from experience that kills 999 out of a thousand, according to most documentation I have read (Duncan O'Finioan, Cathy O'Brian, Peter Moon, Preston Nichols, Brice, Arizona Wilder, Swerdlow, Icke etc.).

Be glad if you have good astral sex. Be glad if you are receiving information on how to recognize astral sexual manipulation.

It is all good.

Sierra

[gooty64]

Having sex feeds "them".

Making love nourishes you and your partner.

The details are personal.

[wynderer]

sex is natural, sex is fun, sex is best when it's one on one -- including in the astral plane

what a nice thing the Creator did w/Earth Human bodies, to make sex so pleasurable


dw5uuGYjUlI

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This may sound silly to you guys but is having sex in your dreams the same as astral sex?

I join lots completely unknown ladies ( or what seem to be ladies) in my dreams but i also feel very much as something is off ( meaning i could not remember asking or looking or needing it and found myself there anyhow) in those cases i usually get the f out of there. I also wake up really tired and drained in those cases and not in the lets light one up kinda way cause that was fun.

There are also fun occasions btw.

Just asking since its not my area of expertise i might as well drop the question in here.

thnx in advance good people of the earth.

[westhill]

This is what I've been talking about.

D7DMgDpXsIs

[ulli]

While reading this thread I was reminded of a passage in Doris Lessing's "Shikasta".
I'm certain that the vast differences in people's sexual needs and desires is what has caused the current state of instability of planet Earth.
So the idea of seeking these pleasures in another dimension might take the pressure off a bit.

Here is the quote from Doris Lessing's book.
(Shikasta is Earth, as seen through the eyes of extraterrestrial envoys who send reports to their superiors.)
"May your envoy take this opportunity of suggesting that when Canopean eugenists map possibilities for Shikasta, they take into account Shikastan sexual propensities. It has long been myopinion, expressed more than once, that when sexuality was emphasised to ensure survival of species, this was perhaps overdone? Your envoy discussed this with Sirian representatives."

[RunningDeer]

Mocha Cappuccino Visits: a Different Point of View

For me, there have been two relationship encounters that are forever etched in me. One conversation was only a six word exchange, mostly mine. And in the second case, there was little dialogue but the most powerful conversation was through the eyes and the silence.  However brief, they are forever a part of me. I consider myself fortunate to have had such opportunities.

In some way, these brief encounters are likened to ‘other side’ if no time/space is assigned.

Lust is great
Lust + Love = Kismet
LOVE whispers in the Silence

[CdnSirian]

While reading this thread I was reminded of a passage in Doris Lessing's "Shikasta".
I'm certain that the vast differences in people's sexual needs and desires is what has caused the current state of instability of planet Earth.
So the idea of seeking these pleasures in another dimension might take the pressure off a bit.

Here is the quote from Doris Lessing's book.
(Shikasta is Earth, as seen through the eyes of extraterrestrial envoys who send reports to their superiors.)
"May your envoy take this opportunity of suggesting that when Canopean eugenists map possibilities for Shikasta, they take into account Shikastan sexual propensities. It has long been myopinion, expressed more than once, that when sexuality was emphasised to ensure survival of species, this was perhaps overdone? Your envoy discussed this with Sirian representatives."

One of my favorite books! And yes a noteworthy passage, given that sex is right up there with drugs for addiction and manipulation.

[Mu2143]

It is not that sex is the problem ,but the Sexual pleasure and the lust is caused by a demon. Because of this you can't stop thinking about it /and have the need of having sex.
In otherwords you have no control over it and that is one of the problems the other is the signature of that demon has a effect on your spirit you become like that demon and they are empty of what spirit realy is.

New age and sex is promoted a lot and has nothing to do with spirituality and all to do with keeping your here. Also keep in mind that sex is a design of the body and not the spirit and there is only one state of being in the spirit!!

[RunningDeer]

This is what I've been talking about.

D7DMgDpXsIs

Hi Westhill,

I just finished watching the vid. I took a break half way through. I'm glad I went back to it. As was explained, it's not about religion but the hidden knowledge of mechanics, kundalini effects, and that each of us is our 'own second coming'. And how we are now at the point of awareness where many are ready to receive this information.

It really picked up at 30 minutes. I'd suggest if someone didn't have a lot of time, begin there and if it peaks your interest then circle back.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :wave:

[Kindred]

All those that have posted with their experiences may find great knowledge within the "Seth Speaks" material to further their understanding of this duality. In particular, chapter 12 (~1:05:20) deals with deals with "Reincarnational Relationships" and discusses sex and sexuality, and chapter 11 deals with "After Death Choices and the Mechanics of Transition".
Chapters 1-10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RIOK_BlEw&feature=player_embedded

Chapters 11-17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_okYdfgrU&feature=relmfu

Enjoy!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Chester]

It is not that sex is the problem ,but the Sexual pleasure and the lust is caused by a demon. Because of this you can't stop thinking about it /and have the need of having sex.
In otherwords you have no control over it and that is one of the problems the other is the signature of that demon has a effect on your spirit you become like that demon and they are empty of what spirit realy is.

New age and sex is promoted a lot and has nothing to do with spirituality and all to do with keeping your here. Also keep in mind that sex is a design of the body and not the spirit and there is only one state of being in the spirit!!

Apologies, but there is nothing about this post that I could agree with, but that is because I have a healthy sex life which I also have well under... shall we say, "control"?

Its about the when and with who that I found to be the keys. What is true for men by the way is that a healthy sex life is quite good for the prostate gland and it is proven that an active sex life reduces the chances for prostate cancer.

My wife, who is now 47 and as far as it goes sexually has never ever been more active, free and orgasmic, agrees with me in my view of a healthy sex life. Why do I post this in this thread? Because my wife and I happen to be living apart and because we are able to meet in the astral realm as an option has our 10 year marriage in the best condition we have ever experienced as well as has us happy and patient for when we can be together physically.

Anyways, I have read this thread carefully and there was one comment that stood out to me as the truest and most important comment of all - when the connection is first and foremost a connection through the Heart Chakra... this post -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49036-Having-Sex-With-The-Other-Side&p=545429&viewfull=1#post545429

...there is nothing that comes close to this type of experience (if it also becomes a sexual experience at some level - whether physical and/or astrally or perhaps via Skype or other means when physically separated).

Do note (and I will fully admit) it took me well over 50 years to attain this healthy and active level of attitude (and thus experiences) regarding sex and I often visualize a planet where we all have been able to do the same.

Sexual freedom (with the wisdom to discern when, with whom and where one "goes there") is one of the very best liberators we can accomplish...

just my opinion (and experience) from justoneman

[Mark]

Ohhh hehehe, has anyone ever made love in the virtual online world of Second Life?

SL is, really, just that. It is amazing. I joined back in 2006 and played heavily for a number of years. The funny thing is, even though I don't visit or RP (roleplay) there anymore, when I remember it the memories are always visual and emotional, in keeping with the friendships, relationships and sims (simulations) that I used to inhabit and visit. Here is an interesting perspective on it that I found here (http://dhost.info/waterput/spangenberg/celestial-error.htm):


Second Life sounds like dangerous astral territory. Recent gnostic warnings concern the 'you are a god in the making' program that is promoted by aliens- Reptilian consciousness for the most part. You feel powerless in this incarnation - and guess what, you are if you focus on the Game, so to make you feel better you are offered an opportunity to puppet your higher self from the physical: your avatar! The avatar level is called the 'Christ consciousness' level in the Freedom Teachings and it is the energetic level where the battles between light and dark essences, now also fought on earth, originate.

The aliens have designed not just this game, but a whole bunch of others. The trick is that true light beings often do not realize that their consciousness can be 'stolen' from them while they are engaged in such games. This theft is different from losing consciousness when you have to focus on your daily bread, clothes, work, empty social relationships etc. When engaged with the virtual reality of a computer game, you get literally sucked into an astral plane, a virtual environment where you get your pockets picked while you focus on the magician on stage. This is how you may lose parts of your consciousness or true light that you cannot retrieve by 'waking up' again. The game will also demand your conscious focus and attention during other parts of the day, until you find yourself powerless to retreat and disengage at will.

...It is funny how liberating it can be to finally recognize your prison walls... it reminds you that who you really are cannot be visualized within these walls.

A LOT of people live in SL and other online virtual worlds like this. Many are sick and shut in, and they stay in the game for the majority of the day, 7 days a week. When I played, I saw more deaths than I've seen in RL (real life). The emotional energy expended in that game most certainly is enough to have some sort of an impact on one's development in many aspects of being, I'd think.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17060&d=1340399658

[Mu2143]

It is not that sex is the problem ,but the Sexual pleasure and the lust is caused by a demon. Because of this you can't stop thinking about it /and have the need of having sex.
In otherwords you have no control over it and that is one of the problems the other is the signature of that demon has a effect on your spirit you become like that demon and they are empty of what spirit realy is.

New age and sex is promoted a lot and has nothing to do with spirituality and all to do with keeping your here. Also keep in mind that sex is a design of the body and not the spirit and there is only one state of being in the spirit!!

Apologies, but there is nothing about this post that I could agree with, but that is because I have a healthy sex life which I also have well under... shall we say, "control"?

Its about the when and with who that I found to be the keys. What is true for men by the way is that a healthy sex life is quite good for the prostate gland and it is proven that an active sex life reduces the chances for prostate cancer.

My wife, who is now 47 and as far as it goes sexually has never ever been more active, free and orgasmic, agrees with me in my view of a healthy sex life. Why do I post this in this thread? Because my wife and I happen to be living apart and because we are able to meet in the astral realm as an option has our 10 year marriage in the best condition we have ever experienced as well as has us happy and patient for when we can be together physically.

Anyways, I have read this thread carefully and there was one comment that stood out to me as the truest and most important comment of all - when the connection is first and foremost a connection through the Heart Chakra... this post -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49036-Having-Sex-With-The-Other-Side&p=545429&viewfull=1#post545429

...there is nothing that comes close to this type of experience (if it also becomes a sexual experience at some level - whether physical and/or astrally or perhaps via Skype or other means when physically separated).

Do note (and I will fully admit) it took me well over 50 years to attain this healthy and active level of attitude (and thus experiences) regarding sex and I often visualize a planet where we all have been able to do the same.

Sexual freedom (with the wisdom to discern when, with whom and where one "goes there") is one of the very best liberators we can accomplish...

just my opinion (and experience) from justoneman

I'm just a messager and speaking of experience when I start fight of the "Lust of the Flesh" I found out that the real battle started and it took me about 9 months to a year to get all the programs out of my body.

I have been showen in my dream the complex programming of this and its no surprise for me that it took so long

What is the reason for people having sex?is that not for having a child and when not your not interesting in it?

Did you know that the cause of this lust is done by a demon that expressses his nature true a human body?It is not sex it self that is the problem.

A real relationship is not about having a good sex life that is the indoctrination of this so called modern world that has corrupted our DNA over time and it is promoted everywhere for me that is enought to know that it is a spiritual trap that has been setup for the masses.
We live in sex and death cult, most females are looking for bodily love and not real love(The way of the spirit). My experience as well and you will get rejected if you can not turn on a female

(i've learned how it worked and guess what you get sex, but when you speak the truth of how it works you willl be rejected) . I learned this before I realy woke up to the trued of this. just like every thing else in this world the truth will get rejected by the massses and the so called spiritual people.

GOD does not brake your free will at all and that includes Satan who is still pushing his Agenda forward.
So long there is still chaos in this world like war and rumers of wars then the REAL spiritual war is not OVER.