Happy (Early) Birthday, 9/11! Still an inside job. (More Video)

[Dennis Leahy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbMjAN7Bws
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbMjAN7Bws

Starts with the words of former CIA asset, Susan Lindauer.


"...In August of 2001 I was told to stay out of New York City because the attack was considered imminent, we expected mass casualties and a possible miniature thermonuclear strike, bomb..."

(a bit about Susan Lindauer)

Lindauer has written and self-published a book "Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover-Ups of 9/11 and Iraq" about her experience. In this, Lindauer claims that for a number of years she had worked as a U.S. asset for the CIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA) and DIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIA).

I had not seen this movie before, and offer it up as a 9/11 birthday "present" to the victims of 9/11 and the victims of US genocidal wars that 9/11 spawned.

Dennis

[Spartacus]

Thank you Dennis. 11th September is my birthday too.

[GlassSteagallfan]

This one too:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49520-9-11-goes-Main-Stream-on-Colorado-Public-Television-12

Colorado Public Television Presents 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out

Over 40 Scientific experts share their professional insights about the events of 9/11.

[jaybee]

I had not seen this movie before, and offer it up as a 9/11 birthday "present" to the victims of 9/11 and the victims of US genocidal wars that 9/11 spawned.

Dennis


not much of a birthday 'present'...is it...trying to convince them that their own government committed mass murder and high treason against them :/

Susan Lindauer sounds a bit iffy to me...


The video seems to be expressly designed to bang home the 'thermite theory'....(how many times was the word 'explosion used...?)

Also in the video they say that the police and firefighters know it was an Inside Job.

Really?

343 Paramedics and Firefighters lost their lives that day. Plus many Police.

Do you seriously think that they would keep quiet about it being an Inside Job under the circumstances...when their colleagues and friends were killed. I don't.

So many collaborators and people aiding and abetting the 'mass murder' either with their participation or silence...?

I don't buy it.

I now believe that there has been a cover up about a lot of what happened on that tragic day. But I don't believe it was an Inside Job.

And worse than that...I now think that the Inside Job Conspiracy is promoted and lead by PSYOPS...catching genuine truthseekers in the net of deception.


September 11th 2012 is a sad birthday not a happy one....:(


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[Mandala]

Thanks Dennis. I'm on a work break and will watch the video at home tonight. Isn't there supposed to be a Hollywood documentary coming out this month with all kinds of whistle blowers and people speaking out? I thought it was going to be released but haven't heard anymore about it.

I believe it was an inside job. I know a lot of people lost their lives and that is why anyone with a conscience and a heart, can't imagine our people being involved in this. Unfortunately, the ones that were involved, look at the people lost as "collateral damage", a necessity to achieve their goal. I think that many firefighters and other survivors are questioning the evidence being brought forward. I know many families who lost loved ones never felt their questions were answered.

Too many things are starting to come out. One site I check once in awhile is Pilots for 911 Truth. Many of the professional pilots have made it their goal to keep compiling evidence.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

[indigopete]

Jaybee -

Be advised that it is not possible (and was not possible in 2001) for members of the travelling public to get up out of their seats, pinch whole airliners in mid air, fly them around restricted airspace for an hour un-intercepted by the worlds most advanced air defence system. (By intercepted, I don't mean shot down, I just mean intercepted).

Your starting point therefore, as far as any speculation about 9/11 goes, is that it was an inside job. I have never seen anything in the last 10 years to suggest it wasn't.


Do you seriously think that they would keep quiet about it being an Inside Job under the circumstances...when their colleagues and friends were killed

Yes, I do. And they don't have to be "hiding" anything either as you incorrectly imply.

Most angry people require a focus for their anger and they were given one pretty quickly (by normally 'credible' sources) following the attacks. That was enough for many (but not all) first responders.


So many collaborators and people aiding and abetting the 'mass murder' either with their participation or silence...?

This is a silly argument. The room cleaners on a cruise ship don't have to know the ship's destination to do their job.

As far as the perpetrators keeping a secret, they don't even have to try. Most people (such as yourself) do the job quite adequately for them. Whistleblowers a can shout from the rooftops (and regularly do - do you want a list ?) about what really went on but their reports are met with anything from indifference to outright hostility.

If you doubt any of the 9/11 scenario then you surely need to doubt it all. The western cabal needed a facilitator to get stuck into the middle east without a huge public backlash and that's what 9/11 was. Meanwhile there was no strategic advantage for the alleged attackers, so there's your answer right there.

You need to think again about 9/11.

Pete

[WhiteFeather]

Without A Doubt 911 Was An Inside Job
But whom was the project manager here?
Follow The Paper Trail

Have a gander.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I bet that stone owl at Bohemian Grove was like " Oh great just offload all your guilt on me.. yes brilliant, wonderful, how about rigging my ass with some explosives and bringing me down "

[mosquito]

11 years on.

Still no international inquest.

"War on Terror (sic)" still in progress.

I've long been trying to get across to people here that the PTB have absolutely no fear of Avalon or any other "truth seeking" organization, for the simple reason that for every adult who "wakes up", there are millions of children being processed by the system, having their spirit sucked out, being churned out of our wonderful schools and stepping willingly, gladly, happily and hopefully onto the hampster wheel of normality which has so kindly been provided for them. My point ? It's way too late to do anything about 9/11. It's a historical non-fact, programmed into the minds of countless young people who are not yet ready to start questioning what they've been taught to believe.

I have a friend here, an Englishman (intelligent and thoughtful too), who is 25 years old. He tells me he's never thought about or questioned 9/11. Why should he ? Did I question the (fallacious) assertion in the 60s that we (Britain) won the 2nd world war ? No. How many of us questioned the events of our recent history when at school ? Few I suspect.

I can go out tomorrow morning and have an intelligent, reasoned, rational discussion IN ENGLISH with a non-English speaker, who wasn't even born in 2001 !!!! What do they spend their time contemplating ? Events 2 years prior to their birth ? Whether or not politicians lie ? No. They think about their own futures, JUST LIKE YOU AND I DID. (Probably, almost certainly).

There are myriad websites discussing the various theories about how 9/11 was pulled off, was it thermite ? Was it nukes ? And the people responsible must be sitting there, reading Dr. Wank arguing with Professor F*ck about which is is the more scientifically plausible explanation, and quietly chuckling to themselves; knowing full well that in a short space of time, it will all fade into our racial memory, that they succeeded, and that they can get away with it again. And again, and again and again.

Thank you Dennis for this timely reminder of the day the human population decided, almost unanimously, to proudly display its' collective stupidity. May we hold something better and more beautiful in our vision for the future, more inclusive of ALL the world's people, regardless of which "holy" book they read. A vision which empowers without DISempowering, a vision which allows rather than forbids, a vision which gives us all freedom, freedom to be who we really are; free from dogma, free from tyranny, free from imposed morality and from assinine, intrusive laws.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Isn't there supposed to be a Hollywood documentary coming out this month with all kinds of whistle blowers and people speaking out? I thought it was going to be released but haven't heard anymore about it.

What does 'Hollywood documentary' mean? Does it mean a doc full of television actors talking about 9/11? Or does it mean 9/11 investigation aired on main stream media?

Whichever answer, Colorado public television (the equivalent to PBS in my area) aired this: http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078...rttime=1200000

PLUS, they're giving away supporting cd's and books for donations.

[Flash]

This one too:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49520-9-11-goes-Main-Stream-on-Colorado-Public-Television-12

Colorado Public Television Presents 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out

Over 40 Scientific experts share their professional insights about the events of 9/11.

I saw parts and bits (skipping parts ) of the video, really excellent and thorough

[Spartacus]

From evidence I've seen and witness testimony I've listened to, I'm reasonably convinced that controlled explosives demolished both WTC Towers and Building 7. I'm still not sure what happened at the Pentagon but I'm pretty certain that what crashed into it wasn't a 757. It was an inside job for sure and a growing number of people are becoming acutely aware of this.

One question: This video, others similar to it and organisations like the Pilots for 9/11 truth assert that flights American 11 and United 175 weren't really hijacked and didn't impact the North and South Towers respectively. It is claimed that these flights landed elsewhere and disguised military aircraft were used for the crashes.

If this was the case then can someone here provide a plausible explanation of what happened to the passengers and crews of these flights?

[humanalien]

Don't forget the story of flight 93 landing at cleveland ohio airport.

[TargeT]

Brits are funny as hell...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CvBXIvdQsk

[robinr1]

Don't forget the story of flight 93 landing at cleveland ohio airport.




havent heard that before as best as i can recollect .....cliffs?

[jaybee]

If you doubt any of the 9/11 scenario then you surely need to doubt it all.

Not necessarily....

9/11 is polarised into the two 'extremes'...the Official Account and the Inside Job.

but what if it was something inbetween.

I don't claim to be 100% right about any of it...but I have put together an alternative to the two main points of view.


That is...a Cover Up of some things that happened but not an Inside Job.

So what might be being covered up, for political and public relations reasons?

I think it may all be to do with damage limitation...after Flights 11 and 175 were successfully used, by Militant Islamic Jihadists.. to smash into the towers. (They probably got lucky with this because of the Vigilant Guardian exercise that was going on that day...and the confusion that ensued gave them a window of opportunity...they may have chose the day because of the military exercise...to buy some time)


The three main things covered up could be...

1. That the Towers were brought down using some kind of Directed Energy Weapon when the top of the South Tower was about to topple over. To limit severe damage to the surrounding area and prevent flooding. Ie. to reduce the debris and turn huge ammounts of it to dust. The North Tower (and Building 7) could have been weakened by the field affects of the DEW..and it was deemed necessary to bring them down as well...with DEWs (again for damage limitation)


2. That after the second tower was hit, the military took control of the situation...and...flight 77 was taken by remote control over the Atlantic and shot down. 'Something' had happened at the Pentagon, on the ground...maybe a truck with explosives or a suicide bomber (or two) managed to get to the building...and were fired upon by ground defence....and to cover this up together with the shooting down of flight 77....a mock up of a 757 crash was put at the scene. The 757 parts may have been fetched from the Smithsonian Air and Space museum that is quite near...over the river.


3. That flight 93 was shot down.

(to be forced to consider civilian airliners as 'enemy aircraft' and shoot them down would have been a huge big deal....and something that the US government may have quickly classified....for political and PR reasons)



That's the bare bones of my speculative 'theory'.....:)



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[Dennis Leahy]

If you doubt any of the 9/11 scenario then you surely need to doubt it all.

Not necessarily....

9/11 is polarised into the two 'extremes'...the Official Account and the Inside Job.

but what if it was something inbetween.

I don't claim to be 100% right about any of it...but I have put together an alternative to the two main points of view.


That is...a Cover Up of some things that happened but not an Inside Job.

So what might be being covered up, for political and public relations reasons?

I think it may all be to do with damage limitation...after Flights 11 and 175 were successfully used, by Militant Islamic Jihadists.. to smash into the towers. (They probably got lucky with this because of the Vigilant Guardian exercise that was going on that day...and the confusion that ensued gave them a window of opportunity...they may have chose the day because of the military exercise...to buy some time)


The three main things covered up could be...

1. That the Towers were brought down using some kind of Directed Energy Weapon when the top of the South Tower was about to topple over. To limit severe damage to the surrounding area and prevent flooding. Ie. to reduce the debris and turn huge ammounts of it to dust. The North Tower (and Building 7) could have been weakened by the field affects of the DEW..and it was deemed necessary to bring them down as well (again for damage limitation)


2. That after the second tower was hit, the military took control of the situation...and...flight 77 was taken by remote control over the Atlantic and shot down. 'Something' had happened at the Pentagon, on the ground...maybe a truck with explosives or a suicide bomber (or two) managed to get to the building...and were fired upon by ground defence....and to cover this up together with the shooting down of flight 77....a mock up of a 757 crash was put at the scene. The 757 parts may have been fetched from the Smithsonian Air and Space museum that is quite near...over the river.


3. That flight 93 was shot down.

(to be forced to consider civilian airliners as 'enemy aircraft' and shoot them down would have been a huge big deal....and something that the US government may have quickly classified....for political and PR reasons)



That's the bare bones of my speculative 'theory'.....:)

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The concept of the US getting caught unaware cannot be true.

Even throwing in the directed energy weapons to try to make the pieces fit, there were multiple explosions heard and felt and filmed. That alone shows preparation of the WTC site, so the Big Show did not start with surprise planes (real or holographic), but rather was a prepared crime scene. William Rodrigues, multiple first responders, and caught on the video soundtracks prove multiple explosions. If you believe Saudi Arabians did it, then you have to include that they were able to sneak into heavily monitored high rise buildings, especially Building 7 with the CIA, Secret Service, and Guiliani's hardened bunker/command center.

Some metal was liquified and flowed (proving extreme temperatures far beyond kerosine and office furnishings) while the towers were still standing, as shown on video and with the testimony of first responders. Nanothermite residue is found in all the dust. This proves WTC was a prepared crime scene, not a sneak attack.

Massive insider trading with "puts" (bets stocks would decrease in value) against United and American Airlines prove the Big Show did not start with surprise planes, but was known in advance.

Pre-warnings, via pagers, to some workers in the towers prove the Big Show did not start with surprise planes, but was known in advance.

If hijackers knew about secret military exercises going on that day, they were given secret insider military information. It was far after 9/11 that the public was informed that there were secret military excuses, er, I mean "exercises" going on that morning.

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As for the DEW bringing down the buildings, which is a different discussion from what I offered above which proves foreknowledge and site/crime scene preparation, dispelling any notion of a sneak attack:

I suspect directed energy weapons do indeed exist, but I saw nothing that would lead me to believe that they were used on 9/11. I saw the towers come down with obvious floor-by-floor explosions, just like a controlled demolition. To believe that directed energy was used, you have to believe that they were able to direct the energy floor-by-floor and rather than distort from the outside, the directed energy went into the interior of each floor and caused visible expulsion of material outward, top-to-bottom (on the towers) and inward, bottom-to-top on Building 7. The physics of what we saw was completely within the realm of controlled demolition. The only thing left is what kind of controlled demolition explosive (beyond the nanothermite that sliced and diced critical beams to contain damage to the building's footprint, and some audible explosions that may have been necessary to dislodge main column bases) could turn all that concrete to micron-sized dust particles. Mini-nukes fit perfectly, would have been by far the easiest to place with the least manpower, and would have created the inside-out damage (rather than exterior distortion) that we see.

My guess as to what a real directed energy target looks like is obvious spacial deformation of the object before the entire object simultaneously implodes, explodes, or melts. I would also expect that the incredible surge of directed energy necessary to bring down a giant target would have greatly disturbed other frequencies and would have at least temporarily disturbed all communications in the area - this was not witnessed and does not show up in videos. Destroying a tank in the desert or a ship in space with a directed energy weapon I can visualize; taking out the twin towers with a directed energy weapon, floor-by-floor making it look like a controlled demolition without "cooking" the surrounding buildings to me steps out into sci-fi physics.

So no, the dust is not a signature of DEW used after the surprise attack to minimize damage. The dust is the remnant of the latest generation of mini-nukes, and the atomic/chemical signature in the dust also says mini-nukes. They had to have been planted prior to the planes arrival, so again this proves the Big Show did not start with surprise planes, but was known in advance.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

I recommend to your consideration these two posts by Joseph P. Farrell: 9/11: A (PERSONAL) REMEMBRANCE (http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/09/911-a-personal-remembrance/)
9/11 MUSINGS (http://gizadeathstar.com/2010/12/911-musings/)
I believe that Farrell is correct in his musings that the destruction of the twin towers evidences what's called scalar or torsion physics (what Judy Wood calls directed energy weapons), and that the ones who did that were not the neocons such as Cheney et al who thought they were running 9/11, but some darker agents, sending a very scary message to those neocons.

P.S. - The darker agents are humans, likely part of what Farrell has spent some time documenting as a breakaway civilization (http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/09/new-book-saucers-swastikas-and-psyops/).

[Dennis Leahy]

I recommend to your consideration these two posts by Joseph P. Farrell:

9/11: A (PERSONAL) REMEMBRANCE (http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/09/911-a-personal-remembrance/)
9/11 MUSINGS (http://gizadeathstar.com/2010/12/911-musings/)


I believe that Farrell is correct in his musings that the destruction of the twin towers evidences what's called scalar or torsion physics (what Judy Wood calls directed energy weapons), and that the ones who did that were not the neocons such as Cheney et al who thought they were running 9/11, but some darker agents, sending a very scary message to those neocons.

P.S. - The darker agents are humans, likely part of what Farrell has spent some time documenting as a breakaway civilization (http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/09/new-book-saucers-swastikas-and-psyops/).
Interesting reading. Spy novel-esque. But if you look at the list in my post above, you'll see multiple points that Ian Fleming, er, Joseph Farrell is completely ignoring.

I don't doubt the breakaway civilization concept. It may, in fact, be the blended dark forces of post WWII Nazis with deep dark factions of the CIA and Mossad, but in any case, it appears they are in cahoots with the tip of the monetary pyramid (Rothschild, etc.) and maybe deep dark elements of the Vatican, not in conflict with them. I really do hope that in my lifetime, the organization is defeated (or implodes) and is gutted and dissected for all to see. However, I still see nothing on 9/11 at the WTC that does not look like sophisticated floor-by-floor explosions, and nothing that even hints to energy/frequency/electromagnetic weapons other than the copious dust (which is better - and completely - explained by mini-nukes.) Besides not "seeing" anything visibly that hints at energy weapons, I would wonder why the darker agents - the third and innermost ring in Farrell's Venn diagram - would make everything look like controlled demolitions (which we are then assuming that those types of weapons are capable of.)

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

However, I still see nothing on 9/11 at the WTC that does not look like sophisticated floor-by-floor explosions, and nothing that even hints to energy/frequency/electromagnetic weapons other than the copious dust (which is better - and completely - explained by mini-nukes.)
I do see such, as documented in Judy Wood's Where Did the Towers Go? (http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/) book. Consider the strangely toasted cars and the ability to turn concrete and steel into very fine dust at an enormous rate of energy expenditure, while leaving paper unscathed.


why the darker agents - the third and innermost ring in Farrell's Venn diagram - would make everything look like controlled demolitions
The destruction of the twin towers does not look like a controlled demolition to my eyes. Far too much energy was expended in that ten seconds. Controlled demolitions don't turn 500,000 tons of concrete and steel into fine dust. Rather they "dismantle" the building into sufficiently small pieces to be carried away by truck. Most of those towers wasn't carried off in barges to China. Most of those towers blew away, in a dust cloud.

[CdnSirian]

And worse than that...I now think that the Inside Job Conspiracy is promoted and lead by PSYOPS...catching genuine truthseekers in the net of deception.

jaybee, I don't agree, at this time, in this case. However, I think that this scenario is possible in regards to many incidents we truth seekers wonder about.

[Dennis Leahy]

However, I still see nothing on 9/11 at the WTC that does not look like sophisticated floor-by-floor explosions, and nothing that even hints to energy/frequency/electromagnetic weapons other than the copious dust (which is better - and completely - explained by mini-nukes.)
I do see such, as documented in Judy Wood's Where Did the Towers Go? (http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/) book. Consider the strangely toasted cars and the ability to turn concrete and steel into very fine dust at an enormous rate of energy expenditure, while leaving paper unscathed.


why the darker agents - the third and innermost ring in Farrell's Venn diagram - would make everything look like controlled demolitions
The destruction of the twin towers does not look like a controlled demolition to my eyes. Far too much energy was expended in that ten seconds. Controlled demolitions don't turn 500,000 tons of concrete and steel into fine dust. Rather they "dismantle" the building into sufficiently small pieces to be carried away by truck. Most of those towers wasn't carried off in barges to China. Most of those towers blew away, in a dust cloud.
Hi Paul,

I'm wondering if we are comparing apples to apples.

I'm not talking about the aftermath, I'm talking about actually watching the towers come down, in progress. I see discrete explosions, floor-by-floor, and the rest of the tower is intact beneath the most recently exploded floor. Watch the first 9 seconds, and then the 5 seconds from 0:15 to 0:20 of this video clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbSupJEDsw


Don't you see explosions? Maybe you're visualizing a "ray gun" kind of directed energy weapon, sweeping quickly from top to bottom in the tower?

If all I had to look at was aftermath photos, along with the calculations of the number of tons of concrete turned to micron-sized dust, I might speculate differently. But watching the explosions proceed, successive explosions that eject material, I see a controlled demolition. I do agree it was not your "garden variey" controlled demolition that dropped the building in chunks. I use the term "controlled demolition" meaning multiple explosive elements, triggered in specific sequence. The elements, in this case, I believe were mini-nukes, possibly along with some sort of conventional charges going off at strategic hardened areas, to allow quite small mini-nukes with the least amount of outward thrust possible.

The strangely toasted cars and the fact that the energy wave seems to have been such that high density items (steel, concrete, etc) were turned to dust and thin, low density items (paper, etc) were passed through can be explained by the fact that neutrons pass through paper and low density items.

But, I'd rather go back to the point that I see sequential explosions, I'm wondering if you do too, and if you do, then do you still think that could (or is probable to be) the visual "signature" of directed energy?

Dennis

[Referee]

I had not seen this movie before, and offer it up as a 9/11 birthday "present" to the victims of 9/11 and the victims of US genocidal wars that 9/11 spawned.

Dennis


not much of a birthday 'present'...is it...trying to convince them that their own government committed mass murder and high treason against them :/

Susan Lindauer sounds a bit iffy to me...


The video seems to be expressly designed to bang home the 'thermite theory'....(how many times was the word 'explosion used...?)

Also in the video they say that the police and firefighters know it was an Inside Job.

Really?

343 Paramedics and Firefighters lost their lives that day. Plus many Police.

Do you seriously think that they would keep quiet about it being an Inside Job under the circumstances...when their colleagues and friends were killed. I don't.

So many collaborators and people aiding and abetting the 'mass murder' either with their participation or silence...?

I don't buy it.

I now believe that there has been a cover up about a lot of what happened on that tragic day. But I don't believe it was an Inside Job.

And worse than that...I now think that the Inside Job Conspiracy is promoted and lead by PSYOPS...catching genuine truthseekers in the net of deception.


September 11th 2012 is a sad birthday not a happy one....:(


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Yes you are correct it does push the Thermite angle quite hard. I do not buy it either I like John Lear's explination the best. Satallite based Space weapon.

Have a listen. Starts at around 42 mins.

pj-HzHi3dF0

[ThePythonicCow]

But, I'd rather go back to the point that I see sequential explosions, I'm wondering if you do too, and if you do, then do you still think that could (or is probable to be) the visual "signature" of directed energy?
Well, I have a limitation here ... I don't have a detailed expectation of what the visual signature of a directed energy weapon would be :).

I also have never seen a clear view of what happened in the bottom half of the destruction; only the after affects, being a lot of billowing dust.

I do suppose that one attribute of a directed energy weapon would be that it could be directed, thus taking out the building from the top down.

[gripreaper]

I see squals. There are other video's such as this which illustrate the freefall speed of 8 second collapse without any resistance and show squals, and thermite.

[gripreaper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWl8mUSDIwU&feature=player_embedded

[Dennis Leahy]

Well, I am at a loss to provide a cogent argument if the DEW device gets to be ascribed near-omnipotent values, actions, and outcomes.

We do have (if brief), some detailed views of the upper floors of the towers being exploded. Jets of air/steam/dust (squibs?) squirt from the surface of the building. Explosions are seen. We don't see the integrated object disintegrate (like an egg in a microwave oven), we don't see anything on the surface shimmer or undulate or appear to be distorting from some sort of frequency - before it explodes outwardly. Looking at what we can get a clear view of the destruction, in progress, it looks like bombs in sequence. If you tell me the theoretical DEW can mimic bombs going off sequentially, pinpointing subsequent floors and causing them to explode 1/10th of a second later... then what could my argument against this device possibly be? I cannot argue - you have an amazing weapon that can do the deed and mimic what would happen with mini-nukes. The possibilities of an unknown, exotic technology that can mimic known physics wins every argument. It is like opening the Arc of the Covenant in the Raiders of the Lost Arc movie, and the weapon can do whatever the author describes as its capabilities.

It makes no sense (to me) that a focused beam of energy (which would have a source, a vector/direction, and a target which could be a set distance) could mimic bombs going off in sequence, shooting debris outwards 360°. Would this mean the weapon was either above (jet, satellite) or there were multiple weapons inside the building on different floors aimed outwards in a 360° pattern? And, when it came time to raze Building 7, they were able to do a similar deed, only from the ground up (after someone - unknown - told the firefighters to move back because Building 7 was going to come down.)

The three layers of intrigue is, well, intriguing, as is the unknown directed energy weapon that can mimic sequential explosives. I want to avoid asking the question, "Why would they mimic the sequential explosives of a controlled demolition with their DEW?" because a satisfactory answer would still offer no proof that such a weapon with these capabilities exists. But, it is yet another thing that doesn't make sense. Occam has to be teleported to a distant galaxy for the DEW to trump over and yet mimic the observed physics of explosives technology.

Dennis

[Spartacus]

Hi Dennis, you've obviously dug a lot deeper than most people into 9/11 so I'll address these questions to you:

Is it your belief that the American and United flights were actually hijacked and flown into the twin towers? Or do you lean towards the theory that military 'substitute' aircraft were used for the attacks?

If the latter, what do you believe happened to the passengers and crew of the original flights? And what about ATC recordings and ATC witness testimony, which all seems quite plausible to me, of the events unfolding in the air before the aircraft hit the towers?

I'm interested to know the views of other serious researchers too. Thanks.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jets of air/steam/dust (squibs?) squirt from the surface of the building.
Ah - yes - I have seen the squibs.

There were also various bombs (explosives of some sorts) that went off in the hour or so before each tower disintegrated.

I would guess that neither the squibs nor those earlier explosions were caused by "directed energy" weapons, but rather by somewhat more conventional explosives.

It seems pretty clear to me that this fireworks show made use of multiple mechanisms.

I'm agreeing with Judy Wood and Joseph Farrell that some sort of scalar, aka toroidal, black ops physics mechanism was the primary source of the energy that converted two 500,000 ton buildings to fine dust in ten seconds each, and scorched some cars blocks away in strange patterns, along with various other "weird" affects such as coring out building six.


"Why would they mimic the sequential explosives of a controlled demolition with their DEW?"

A directed energy weapon would be the best tool available to those who disintegrated those buildings, most certain to totally destroy them and certain to strike terror in the hearts (does Cheney have a heart?) of the neocons and associates who thought they were running this false flag event.

I am subscribing to Joseph Farrell's view that there were three levels of players in this false flag event:

the stupid public
the insider neocons and associates who ran most of it
a deeply dark "breakaway civilization"

See further such articles by Farrell as DEUTSCHEBANK AND THOSE 9/11 PUT OPTIONS ON UNITED AIRLINES (http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/08/deutschebank-and-those-911-put-options-on-united-airlines/) for an explanation of his three level view.

[jaybee]

Massive insider trading with "puts" (bets stocks would decrease in value) against United and American Airlines prove the Big Show did not start with surprise planes, but was known in advance.


Perhaps the Insider Trading you describe above came from Insider 'whispers'...from the 3 countries (listed in the Joseph Farrell link provided by Paul earlier), who warned the US about info regarding some sort of attack being planned...?


http://gizadeathstar.com/2010/12/911-musings/


a) The USA was, as is now well-known, specifically warned by the intelligence services of three nations that something major would likely happen on American soil in that week; we were warned by:

i) the Israeli Mossad;

ii) The Russian FIS (successor to the KGB); and,

iii) The German BKA and BND;



Maybe word got out and money was gambled on the strength of these warnings.



Re. the Intelligence failures....some say that warnings were ignored because the US wanted another 'Pearl Harbour'......but I'm inclined to think it was more along the lines of what is said in this Wahington Post Article..


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/22/AR2008052202961.html



The U.S. intelligence community has failed. We have failed as a public institution and as a profession. We have failed not because of 9/11, or Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, or Iran's supposed WMD, or the horror stories about renditions and detentions. We have failed because we have not explained ourselves adequately and comprehensibly to the public -- describing our role, the limits within which we work and our view of what can be reasonably expected from us. We have failed because we have allowed ourselves to be caricatured, vilified and misrepresented by people who do not know us, do not like us and do not understand us -- or simply see us as convenient fall guys.

and



First consider 9/11. No one has yet revealed the one or two or 10 things that, had they been done differently, might have prevented the attacks. In my view, and in the view of many of my colleagues, even the missed "operational opportunities" identified by the 9/11 Commission would have done little more than force al-Qaeda to send different terrorists into the United States, especially considering the legal rules in play at the time. Even if every "dot" had been connected, they would not have led to the tactical intelligence needed to stop those four planes on that Tuesday morning.

This is a profoundly disturbing message to send. Political leaders and the public would rather believe that al-Qaeda's attacks exploited flaws that have been found and fixed, letting us all return to our pre-9/11 feeling of safety. It is too disturbing to hear the truth: Despite what we have learned, despite the changes that we have made, it could indeed happen again. And it is both comical and distressing to see members of Congress declare that, with the creation of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in 2004, the United States was once again made safe.






Dennis...

Pre-warnings, via pagers, to some workers in the towers prove the Big Show did not start with surprise planes, but was known in advance.


do you have any more on this...?...or is it hearsay..?





Dennis...

If hijackers knew about secret military exercises going on that day, they were given secret insider military information. It was far after 9/11 that the public was informed that there were secret military excuses, er, I mean "exercises" going on that morning.


or they could have had a comrade in the military who told them...?

someone similar to this man..remember the Fort Hood shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan


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[jaybee]

And worse than that...I now think that the Inside Job Conspiracy is promoted and lead by PSYOPS...catching genuine truthseekers in the net of deception.

jaybee, I don't agree, at this time, in this case. However, I think that this scenario is possible in regards to many incidents we truth seekers wonder about.


ok...:)....it's fine to disagree.

Let's face it, 9/11 is a bottomless pit of (engineered?) confusion and we will probably never really get to the bottom of it to everyone's satisfaction. Even if info is ever declassified...it probably wouldn't be believed. It is a 'modern political mystery' with no real chance of an agreed conclusion.:ohwell:



Re. who is promoting and pushing the Inside Job theory...in my view it isn't JUST US based PSYOPS. Here's a list I've come up with of possibilities...


1.....Muslim Fifth Column.... and people of any other nation who want to
whip up anti-American feelings...for political reasons.


2..... Govt (PSYOPS?)
agents taking it to an extreem so that genuine 'truthseekers' get manipulated and side-tracked/confused.
(plus concealing anything really significant?)


3...People that just generally like Government-bashing and complaining.


4.... People who have got really affected and confused about the events of the
day...are getting swayed and start flailing around with anything that fuels their fear. The pull
to comform to peer group pressure is strong in the Conspiracy Arena.


5....genuine 'truthseekers' who have got caught up in it all. Caught in the
net of all the above...(and other groups I might have missed out)....because they have a feeling that the
Official Account isn't correct in some way.


:thumb:


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[jaybee]

Yes you are correct it does push the Thermite angle quite hard. I do not buy it either

Thanks for that...


I like John Lear's explination the best. Satallite based Space weapon.

Have a listen. Starts at around 42 mins.

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mmmmmmmmm John Lear...??? It's been a long time since I first watched that interview. (watched it again this morning)

I'm not sure...but I think he might have quietly dropped the Holographic Planes thing?

And it is interesting that he supports the DEW theory...(but not in the way that I do re. damage limitation)


Actually when I first watched this interview way back...I wrote to Bill and Kerry and said I wasn't at all sure about him and what he was saying....and to be honest I still feel the same. Is he mixing info with disinfo........?

cheers

.

[Lone Bean]

http://video.pbs.org/video/2270078138 This is a video that was shown on Colorado PBS a few months ago. 40 Scientific experts say the government story is totally impossible. I apologize if someone has already posted this video, I have yet to read all the posts. :)

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi jaybee,

You and I are a million miles apart on this, and after 11 years of evidence being put forth showing that this was indeed a false flag event and not a surprise attack, I have no idea what I might ever say that would bring us closer on this topic. As a last try, I would go to the most basic piece of simple forensic evidence that proves that this event was pre-planned by people with access to highly secure buildings (not a cluster of Saudi Arabians), and that is the destruction of WTC Building 7 - in 6.5 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Even the notorious lying bastards at NIST had to admit the building fell at "free-fall acceleration speed" (that is, the same speed as if the top of the building fell through air) which is impossible - without explosives - and easily shown by simple physics. Disagreeing with this is not an "opinion" of one person with another person, it is disagreeing with physics. Either these simple physics formulas are correct (and that means explosives were rigged in advance to take down WTC 7), or the physics formulas are wrong. Do you understand and agree with the physics, and thus understand that Building 7 was rigged in advance for demolition?

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

And worse than that...I now think that the Inside Job Conspiracy is promoted and lead by PSYOPS...catching genuine truthseekers in the net of deception.

jaybee, I don't agree, at this time, in this case. However, I think that this scenario is possible in regards to many incidents we truth seekers wonder about.


ok...:)....it's fine to disagree.

Let's face it, 9/11 is a bottomless pit of (engineered?) confusion and we will probably never really get to the bottom of it to everyone's satisfaction. Even if info is ever declassified...it probably wouldn't be believed. It is a 'modern political mystery' with no real chance of an agreed conclusion.:ohwell:



Re. who is promoting and pushing the Inside Job theory...in my view it isn't JUST US based PSYOPS. Here's a list I've come up with of possibilities...


1.....Muslim Fifth Column.... and people of any other nation who want to
whip up anti-American feelings...for political reasons.


2..... Govt (PSYOPS?)
agents taking it to an extreem so that genuine 'truthseekers' get manipulated and side-tracked/confused.
(plus concealing anything really significant?)


3...People that just generally like Government-bashing and complaining.


4.... People who have got really affected and confused about the events of the
day...are getting swayed and start flailing around with anything that fuels their fear. The pull
to comform to peer group pressure is strong in the Conspiracy Arena.


5....genuine 'truthseekers' who have got caught up in it all. Caught in the
net of all the above...(and other groups I might have missed out)....because they have a feeling that the
Official Account isn't correct in some way.


:thumb:


.
you forgot one:

6...genuine truthseekers that rely on evidence, like simple physics, to prove 9/11 was pre-engineered by people with access to highly secure buildings. This same truthseeker might get sucked into the vortex of conjecture about other aspects of the Big Show, but they know - not believe, but know - that the official story is a lie and the truth was deliberately covered-up.

Dennis

[Lone Bean]

There is so much proof that it was an orchestrated event from the inside out...*cou...cheny...gh...cough cough". But, I do understand the need many people have to refuse to acknowledge it, like my husband. If he sees the truth in this then it will profoundly wreck everything he's always believed in about our government and he's nowhere ready to handle this. This is a very good lesson for me in acceptance and patience. Some people will deny it until their last breath even if the government gave a full and true account of it. It's just where they are right now in their spiritual development and I can't do anything to rush it along to suit me or my schedule.

[Dennis Leahy]

Jets of air/steam/dust (squibs?) squirt from the surface of the building.
Ah - yes - I have seen the squibs.

There were also various bombs (explosives of some sorts) that went off in the hour or so before each tower disintegrated.

I would guess that neither the squibs nor those earlier explosions were caused by "directed energy" weapons, but rather by somewhat more conventional explosives....
Let's set aside the earlier explosions that went off in the towers, and let's set aside the squibs. Let's just look at the explosions we can clearly see in the upper sections of the towers. Referring back to the video shown in post #22, do you see not only squibs, but also explosions?

If yes, do you think this was something in the range of "conventional" explosives to fissile material, or were those major explosions that we clearly see the action of a DEW?

Dennis

[Debra]

you forgot one:

6...genuine truthseekers that rely on evidence, like simple physics, to prove 9/11 was pre-engineered by people with access to highly secure buildings. This same truthseeker might get sucked into the vortex of conjecture about other aspects of the Big Show, but they know - not believe, but know - that the official story is a lie and the truth was deliberately covered-up.

Dennis

I enjoy the process of sifting through information and speculation as it comes to hand - all provides a way to view and review, join dots, collapse dots and review again.

At the end of the day, however, to study what occurred to these buildings is really what holds up. And the case for a pre-engineered event is pretty overwhelming. Evidence that is pretty bloody obvious, even to this lay person. Evidence that comes via video and audio documentation that was gathered, verified and evaluated, and then triangulated against forensic studies of the state of the building/and materials after the event.

What I have not seen in this thread is the evidence - further supporting Dennis' case for a pre-engineered event and holding up that it was an INSIDE job - is from that female whistleblower who gave evidence in an audio interview a few years ago with Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy - she was from somewhere on the inside. Sorry, I will go look for that interview now.

I bring this particular evidence forward because it is corroborative. We all have our own process in joining the dots to get at the truth and I guess my tact in pursuing the *inside job case* stems from meeting, quite by accident a former Canadian intel operative, who quietly told me 9 years ago that he knew it was going to happen 2 weeks beforehand. So, my ears naturally pricked up when I heard this woman being interviewd by Bill and Kerry.

Ed update: I just checked the camelot.org files, it was *Elizabeth Nelson* being interviewed by Bill (not Kerry) however, her story pertained to the event regarding Flight 93 over Pennsylvania, which of course occurred on the same day and is vicariously linked with the event in NY. http://projectcamelot.org/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Let's set aside the earlier explosions that went off in the towers, and let's set aside the squibs. Let's just look at the explosions we can clearly see in the upper sections of the towers. Referring back to the video shown in post #22, do you see not only squibs, but also explosions?

If yes, do you think this was something in the range of "conventional" explosives to fissile material, or were those major explosions that we clearly see the action of a DEW?

I see concrete and steel being disassociated molecularly, at the rate of about 10 stories per second, given how long it took to bring the building down, and given the result (clouds of fine dust, mostly)

Yes, I would expect an atomic bomb to be able to disassociate material that rapidly and that finely. If one of them went off in my lap, I'd be part of a radioactive dust cloud drifting eastward over North Texas.

But ... I would not expect atomic bombs to have the "focus" we see here. There is an intense region of very rapid molecular disassociation, then very near by, almost no damage (except sporadically and randomly sometimes blocks away in minor ways.) I would expect the "ground zero" of bombs, where everything turns to dust, to be surrounded by a larger ring of severe damage, leaving for example all nearby buildings destroyed, but still in big chunks, perhaps with just their steel frames still standing. Instead we see most of the windows, except for some strange cutouts, still intact. The most damaged nearby building still standing was building six, which had a large hold cut out of its middle, leaving almost no rubble at the bottom of the hole, but leaving the building exterior and the floors surrounding the hole pretty much unscathed. Buildings were either vaporized that morning (the WTC 1 & 2 towers, half of WTC 4, the hole in WTC 6 and the Marriott) or except for various weird affects, still standing.

The only thing I know of that can provide that "focus", that sharp delineation between "vaporized" and "almost untouched", is weaponized directed energy. The various strange affects seen elsewhere in lower Manhattan, as documented so well in Judy Wood's "Where Did The Towers Go?" (I trust you have read that book), also compel the same conclusion ... weaponized directed energy.

[Referee]

Eleven Years Later............. The Litmus Test!

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[jaybee]

Do you understand and agree with the physics, and thus understand that Building 7 was rigged in advance for demolition?


Hi Dennis..

Maybe ALL skysrapers have to be rigged in advance for demolition (by conventional or non-conventional means...)....and that this would be part of the design?

You can't have huge buildings falling onto a city in an emergency and there must be some kind of pre-planning to bring said buildings into their own footprint..?


The neat 'collapse' of Building 7 in itself does not mean it was an Inside Job, IMO.

This very subject is discussed on an ATS thread...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread713427/pg1


the opening post begins...


Since it is mandatory by law that NY will
NOT grant a building license to a
skyscraper in Manhattan without
an approved demolition plan by
the same dept.



Anyway....on this anniversary of 9/11....we remember all those who died, their families and friends...and anyone else who was injured or traumatised by the historic 'event'.


RIP and blessings to all.

.

[Dennis Leahy]

Do you understand and agree with the physics, and thus understand that Building 7 was rigged in advance for demolition?


Hi Dennis..

Maybe ALL skysrapers have to be rigged in advance for demolition (by conventional or non-conventional means...)....and that this would be part of the design?

You can't have huge buildings falling onto a city in an emergency and there must be some kind of pre-planning to bring said buildings into their own footprint..?


The neat 'collapse' of Building 7 in itself does not mean it was an Inside Job, IMO.

This very subject is discussed on an ATS thread...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread713427/pg1


the opening post begins...


Since it is mandatory by law that NY will
NOT grant a building license to a
skyscraper in Manhattan without
an approved demolition plan by
the same dept.
Sorry, but this logic is just silly.

Having a demolition PLAN and having a building WIRED FOR DEMOLITION or worse, FULL OF EXPLOSIVES is quite a different thing. No, occupied buildings are not full of explosives, and they are not even pre-wired for demolition. If someone said that on ATS, they are either passing out disinformation or babbling lunacy.

You're jumping from (paraphrasing, from post #16) "the US government was caught by a surprise attack and so used a secret directed energy weapon to bring the buildings down" (with people still in the towers, I might add), to now offering conjecture that WTC Building 1, 2 and 7 were PRE-WIRED and FULL OF EXPLOSIVES on an ongoing, day-to-day basis in occupied buildings.

I'm trying really hard not to make fun of you personally, while I shake my head in disbelief at the words you have typed. Pointing out to you that this is clearly cognitive dissonance is not going to provide a breakthrough. If you are sincere, and not deliberately passing out disinformation, it may come to you some day - probably when you first let go of the emotion ("How could they!" "Why would they!" Oh, they would never...") and look at the forensic evidence. Just like a crime scene investigator can determine which direction the bullet was shot from, the speed of the car, and the type of poison injected, 9/11 (despite the US government's best efforts in destroying the crime scene evidence) left plenty of evidence. Once the emotions are cleared, the evidence speaks for itself - loudly and clearly.

Buildings are not pre-wired for demolition
Buildings are not pre-loaded with explosives
Building 7 was (most obviously) pre-wired and pre-loaded with explosives, as were Buildings 1 and 2. This is the smoking gun proving 9/11 was not a "sneak attack" but was pre-planned and a very sophisticated job of pre-wiring and setting explosive charges was done in very secure buildings - impossible (especially in Building 7 with Guliani's hardened command center, the CIA, and the Secret Service in that building.) This most certainly was an inside job.

The NIST head engineers are either accomplices or accessories to mass murder. Even the head council for the 9/11 Commission, John Farmer, said "there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened."

Everyone who has knowingly perpetuated lies about 9/11, even if done in fear for their lives, are guilty of obstruction of justice and are accomplices or accessories to mass murder.

The hell with resting in peace, may we ALL rest with the truth fully exposed and with justice served.

Dennis

[gooty64]

Happy #11, 9/11:party:

It's short, just watch it -or not.

LjP_8RZACjk

[Wind]

yuC_4mGTs98

[Buck]

Isn't there supposed to be a Hollywood documentary coming out this month with all kinds of whistle blowers and people speaking out? I thought it was going to be released but haven't heard anymore about it.

What does 'Hollywood documentary' mean? Does it mean a doc full of television actors talking about 9/11? Or does it mean 9/11 investigation aired on main stream media?

Whichever answer, Colorado public television (the equivalent to PBS in my area) aired this: http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078...rttime=1200000

PLUS, they're giving away supporting cd's and books for donations.


I watched the documentary all the way through- I have already forwarded to friends and family who I have gotten into this topic with and unfortunately I do no service the cause of truth when I become overly passionate and emotional about the event. This documentary steers clear of that altogether in my opinion- it is ONLY focused on the evidence of the event from a mechanical/physical evidentiary perspective, allowing experts in their respective fields share their opinions. There is not speculation about other issues such as who would have done this and why.

As a result, it serves as a powerful indictment of anyone in a position of authority who is involved in supporting- either overtly, or implicitly, the official 911 Grimms fairy tale we have been spoon fed about the godless swarthy men turbans with their scary knives and ruthlessly brilliant mastermind calling the shots from his mountain hideout somewhere in the wilds of Afghanistan.

[Dennis Leahy]

...I see concrete and steel being disassociated molecularly, at the rate of about 10 stories per second, given how long it took to bring the building down, and given the result (clouds of fine dust, mostly)

...

the same conclusion ... weaponized directed energy.
Hi Paul,

I'd like to revisit the idea of a 3-ring dark circus, with ring 2 doing all the planning for that day, and very surprised by the innermost ring bringing down the towers with a DEW.

In this scenario, was ring 2 trying to bring the buildings down? It would seem so, by the gigantic explosions in the sub-basement, as reported by William Rodriguez. (It would not make sense to destroy the foundational layers if you were just going to "burn" the top, or just going to make the top topple off. So, ring 2 probably had enough explosives to do the whole job.

I have always said another of the signatures that it was obviously NOT done by foreigners that hate the US (i.e., supposedly, militant Muslims) was the care taken to drop all 3 buildings as close to their footprint as possible - pretty amazing for the towers at over 1000 feet tall. If I hated someone, I'd drop that building on one or more adjacent buildings - make as big a mess as possible.

So, in this scenario, did ring 3 guys start beaming the DEW at the same time that ring 2 guys had started upper-floor explosions, or was the DEW the only weapon used (after a few basement blasts) ? If it was the only weapon used, were these perpetrators also careful not to hurt adjacent buildings? I'd think they would be pretty damn rogue elements and not likely to show such restraint.

Also, Building #7 had prior warning (firefighters on video say they were told it was coming down. Lucky Larry also admits to knowing it was to be pulled.) Was Building 7 a DEW target as well? If ring 3 was trying to make sure ring 2 guys' shoes were full of urine, would they warn them? Would they talk to Lucky Larry? (He did not appear to be frightened. Seemed like a calm, rehearsed liar.)

I'm trying to look at the 3-ring scenario to see if I resonate with it, and I can't resolve super-villains trying to scare villains but still protecting surrounding buildings and warning people to get away from Building 7.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

So, in this scenario, did ring 3 guys start beaming the DEW at the same time that ring 2 guys had started upper-floor explosions, or was the DEW the only weapon used (after a few basement blasts) ? If it was the only weapon used, were these perpetrators also careful not to hurt adjacent buildings? I'd think they would be pretty damn rogue elements and not likely to show such restraint.

Also, Building #7 had prior warning (firefighters on video say they were told it was coming down. Lucky Larry also admits to knowing it was to be pulled.) Was Building 7 a DEW target as well? If ring 3 was trying to make sure ring 2 guys' shoes were full of urine, would they warn them? Would they talk to Lucky Larry? (He did not appear to be frightened. Seemed like a calm, rehearsed liar.)
Judy Wood figures that all three of WTC 1, 2, and 7 were taken out with directed energy weapons, whereas Joseph Farrell suspects it is more likely that just WTC 1 and 2 were taken out by the secretive third ring guys, whereas WTC 7 was a more conventional demolition, pre-planned by the ring 2 guys. I tend more toward Farrell's thinking on this, but I am not particularly confident either way.

Given all the explosions and such that went on in the WTC 1 and 2 towers, prior to their final dustification, it is not clear to me just what the ring 2 guys had in mind to complete the demolition of those two main towers, short of the hypothesized directed energy destruction. I can't imagine they would have planned to leave the towers more or less standing at the end of the day, with so much crime scene evidence (of all the explosions) still present. The only marginally satisfactory conjecture I've realized so far is that perhaps the ring 2 guys had planned some other mechanism to totally destroy the towers, and the ring 3 guys just beat them to the punch with their directed energy weapon, doing so in order to seriously terrorize the ring 2 guys, without significantly altering the larger set of events that had been planned for that day. By this conjecture, the ring 3 guys were more intent on sending a message to the ring 2 guys than they were on making any additional "statement" to the world at large. They were giving Dick Cheney and Daddy Bush's testicles a hard squeeze, enough to make them turn white with fear and pain, right at a point in time when the whole world was watching. The biggest baddest dog was showing the other big bad dogs just who had the biggest guns and was most to be feared. The alleged 19 Islamic Terrorist hijackers with box cutters would have wanted to send a message to the world at large by making lower Manhattan the biggest mess they could, but by my conjecture, the ring 3 guys with this application of directed energy were more sending a message to the ring 2 guys, roughly fitting within the larger confines of the events as planned for the day rather than they were sending a direct message to the world at large.

But this is not an entirely satisfactory explanation, and I am still staring at an incomplete jigsaw puzzle, with some pieces in hand that just don't seem to fit anywhere.

Well ... on re-reading the above ... let me amend it. The ring 3 guys would have been sending a message to the world at large by such a use of directed energy, but not a message that the world at large would be conscious of receiving. Using what amounts to some serious black magic on a victim, which magic the victim doesn't understand or consciously know exists, will terrorize that victim in an unconscious way. How could cave men explain to themselves and each other the result of a half dozen Navy Seals dropping in via a time machine and spraying their leader and his body guards with semi-automatic weapons? Such a dastardly deed would leave a scar on the soul and civilization of those cave men that would last for eons. It would be a scar that could never heal, for the public science, religion or politics of the time could recognize or explain it.

In this way, 9/11 is far worse than JFK's assassination. JFK's assassination showed America that dark forces held great power behind the public offices of their government, but those forces still used ordinary guns. 9/11 showed the world that dark forces wielded power by means most cannot even fathom, like the Aztecs (or was it the Mayans) who could not even see the Spanish ships.

The hypothetical Islamic hijackers would have been looking to make an ordinary mess of lower Manhattan. The ring 3 guys were looking to make an exotic mess of our civilization's soul, using more esoteric means ... a physics that is unspoken in publicly respectable arenas of our civilization.

[Spartacus]

Happy #11, 9/11:party:

It's short, just watch it -or not.

LjP_8RZACjk

This is an excellent short video. Thanks for posting gooty.

It's easy to get distracted and confused by trying to make all the pieces of this jigsaw fit together with so much disinformation and people's strongly held beliefs. I feel that the only way to eventually crack this whole thing open is to focus on the controlled demolition evidence and the testimony of highly qualified and respected scientists and engineers who have the courage and conviction to speak out in videos such as this.

I totally support the growing movement to get a new investigation underway.

If this thing ever unravels and the naked truth is exposed then the world we live in will change forever.

Edit in: The irony of 9/11 is that the most hideous act committed by the twisted minds that think they run this planet has possibly sown the seeds of their eventual demise.

[Spartacus]

yuC_4mGTs98

Brilliant!

[jaybee]

Maybe ALL skyscrapers have to be rigged in advance for demolition (by conventional or non-conventional means...)....and that this would be part of the design?



You're jumping from (paraphrasing, from post #16) "the US government was caught by a surprise attack and so used a secret directed energy weapon to bring the buildings down" (with people still in the towers, I might add),


re. your comment about people still being in the towers...I think that the top section of the South Tower was on the point of toppling over and that's why the decision to bring it down (and reduce the ammount of debris) was made at that point in time.



to now offering conjecture that WTC Building 1, 2 and 7 were PRE-WIRED and FULL OF EXPLOSIVES on an ongoing, day-to-day basis in occupied buildings.

I didn't actually say this, though, did I?...

what I did say is at the top of this post.

We don't know exactly how the WTC Buildings were brought down...and what was used. It could have been a mixture of conventional AND exotic means...

Or just exotic.....?


This screen shot shows a bright white 'blob' caught on film...on the Penthouse of WTC7...as the 'collapse' begins.

Does this show some kind of laser technology at work?

(top left)

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/UntitledbiggerWTCcollapse-1.jpg


taken from this video



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Many (most?) of the youtube videos showing the WTC7 'collapse'.....don't show the penthouse and the white blob. I think this is probably deliberate.


.

[jaybee]

.

This video is a mixed bag....the white blob on the penthouse bit isn't shown, but there is another white blob on the other corner of the building (see 0:02)

And a strange white flash during 0:06...

(the titles are different, on the screen shot and vid, but it's the same video)

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/flashincloudsbrighter.jpg


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Don't know if the white flash during 0:06 has been added or whether it's real? Not sure.


Then there is this one...


That has the scene reversed and conveniently pans away and doesn't show the Penthouse White Blob. But appears to have explosions added.


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shenanigans? (second video)

to try and confuse everyone as to how WTC7 was brought down?

As I have previously stated....I speculate that WTCs 1, 2 + 7 were brought down as damage Limitation...to protect the wider area. In the case of WTC7 this could have been because it was weakened by the field affects of DEWs used on WTCs 1 + 2...
or badly weakened by fires....or both....?



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[jaybee]

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and in this video...(0:10)....there are missing frames of the moment when there is the white blob and the Penthouse folds in.

In this one the Penthouse just disappears..:ohwell:


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shenanigans? To steer the viewer away from any suggestion of DEW / Laser technology?




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[ThePythonicCow]

In honor of William Cooper, who gave the clearest warning of anyone of 9/11 in June 2001:

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He was killed by police a month after 9/11.

Listen to the first part of the above Youtube video to hear the warning he gave.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

More studies on the red-grey chips are on the way. See the comments by Prof Jones (author of original study): http://www.911blogger.com/news/2012-09-08/letter-regarding-redgray-chip-analyses