The logic of illogical logic.

[Tony]

The logic of illogical logic.

As human beings we are expected to act a in certain way- we follow trends. We are expected to conform to the herd – we become caricatures! Advertisers have been putting us into categories for years, and that is how the secret corporations want us.

We conform, as we either want to fall in with others, or be recognised others as belonging to a certain type. We hope to “better ourselves”, and fear losing what we have. In this society this is logical: we develop a social “I”.

Humans are simply controlled by hope and fear, and have learned to love it.
This has been created by a 'self-image' identification and categorisation...we know our place!

I know I keep banging on about it, but we still fall into programmed reactions! Simply do not believe everything you hear. Note it...that's all.

If we fall into being angry, that is fear-based.
If we fall into everything being wonderful, that is hope-based.
OK, a little hope and fear is of value - but not blind hope or blind fear!

So what is illogical logic?

Well, it's simply not conforming to a type. This includes nationality, gender, religion, profession, taste in clothes, food etc. We are being monitored for our choices all the time.

Time to break the mould. We have choice....choose differently – and you might find a new you.
You may find you have unexpected knowledge, because you are no longer one-tracked.

Just a small change in routine can sow a huge difference.
That's where just sitting quietly comes in: to break the busy-ness.


Don't assume you are 'not' a programmed image.:hippie::angel::boxing::noidea::sarcastic:


Yours , wearing odd socks,
Tony

[DeDukshyn]

I was taught an equal to this concept in the Landmark Forum course.

Their version explained that humans where "Reason making machines" - that filled all their experiences with "Reasons". It was explained how this process of filling experiences with "reasons" to justify their existence is like following a program - because all our "reasons" are based on some concept that has carried past its time - a program that never got deleted in a sense, when it no longer became useful (like fear or hope).

The solution? Become "Unreasonable" and free yourself from your reasons.

And also Tony, everything being wonderful is not hope based - it is experienced based -- your keyword "being" states that. "Hoping" for wonderful when experiencing less is "hope" based -- being is being. My 2 cents ;)

[Tony]

I was taught an equal to this concept in the Landmark Forum course.

Their version explained that humans where "Reason making machines" - that filled all their experiences with "Reasons". It was explained how this process of filling experiences with "reasons" to justify their existence is like following a program - because all our "reasons" are based on some concept that has carried past its time - a program that never got deleted in a sense, when it no longer became useful (like fear or hope).

The solution? Become "Unreasonable" and free yourself from your reasons.

And also Tony, everything being wonderful is not hope based - it is experienced based -- your keyword "being" states that. "Hoping" for wonderful when experiencing less is "hope" based -- being is being. My 2 cents ;)


I take your point.

There are many points of view.
With inner joy comes a sadness.
Not everyone is experiencing everything as wonderful. One maybe happy within oneself, but everything is not wonderful unless everyone else is happy. Being realistic, that is not going to happen, as the universe is infinite! So, one just has to accept that.

If one found this life wonderful, one would not want to change. This is called the "Age of strife", and it does seem like that doesn't it?
However, certain teaching can now be practiced, simply because the emotions run high!
When we return to the Golden Age, after first going through the Bronze Age and Silver Age, everyone will be content...and won't want to change, and that probably will be the cause of returning to the Age of Strife again. One cannot stay in the god realms forever!

We will continue going round in circles, until 'we' break the cycle of 'my existence'.



The use of language is a tricky business,
Tony

[Cristian]

Humans are simply controlled by hope and fear, and have learned to love it.


Tony,

Do you believe , you have anything to teach to a 3 year old child? Or do you think you can only learn from him?

[Tony]

Good evening Chris,

You will know the answer to this already.

Hope and fear seems to be innate in sentient beings. By the time a child is 3 years old, it has learnt quite a bit, about hope and fear. So we have this hope and fear through nature and it is reinforced through nurture (social interactions). On a social level, we have to experience hope and fear, just to get along with others and to be able empathise with them. But we cannot let them rule our lives.

They have ruled my life for quite a long time!

In talking to a 3 year old about hope, or wanting something, is difficult because of the pressures around them. One can discuss the value of things and seeing things from other's point of view. None of us can have everything we wish for! This does not mean they cannot hope and enjoy simple things. Fear or caution is valuable to a certain extent, to be able to foresee possibilities.
This does not mean they shouldn't be carefree and get dirty!

What we can learn from them? To be carefree and enjoy simple things!



On a deeper level, hope and fear (desire and aversion), are distractions taking our awareness away from just 'being'. But this is for a yogi type of person!

Reviewing this, we can all learn to have carefree dignity and fearless simplicity!



( Carefree Dignity and Fearless Simplicity are titles of two books by Tsoknyi Rinpoche.)

[deridan]

maybe i am immature, but it is 'my existence', chistens promote a repentance (what for, its illogical of life, denial, when there just is an IS and no room for bs round it), all one god religions promote a returning, but eastern religions seem to promote a let-go-ness.....
...for that i can never comprehend what spiritual task it actually demands, for as u know i've been hearded/herded amongst the christians first and so my impulse to self was what freed me from the structures of the lost christians
---the one that resonates most with me is the returning, i'd like the golden age, and i'd like that peak to remain there. figuring out what went wrong, what great spiritual truth we are ignorant to, that would be a task i choose, veritable gold and diamonds i lay in my spirit till my breath be taken, then i'd be satisfied in whatever hereafter .. hate to return here.... where else are the soul connections without the bs we have to deal with here. the bs though is a good marking rod to say that we have progressed spiritually -just to be as alive in the moment as we now converse here .. but what of a place where i don't have to progress through those 'trials' we can call them, where advanced me is just there to enjoy spirit soul connection with others (without as here having to scurry fo mo money just to enable the logistics of such).

Greetings Pi'n'eal. the shade of this tree is great, there are many here

[Warlock]

The logic of illogical logic=being human, which is all we can be.

Warlock

[Cristian]

What we can learn from them? To be carefree and enjoy simple things!


Hi Tony,

You think it's ok to say you strive to become a child; but a child that has the awareness you managed to come by?

how about this Bible quote: "Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."

[Tony]

What we can learn from them? To be carefree and enjoy simple things!


Hi Tony,

You think it's ok to say you strive to become a child; but a child that has the awareness you managed to come by?

how about this Bible quote: "Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."



Hello Chris,

I spend my whole day singing silly song with the wrong words! It drives my wife crazy.....as she keeps joining in!

A new born has pure perception, then learns to loose it!
But one can get it back again, thank goodness!!!!


Tony

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Indeed, and by aged 3 the programming is already beginning to kick in... social, cultural, religious paradigms and distortions gradually eroding the original, innate Perception. But like you said, you can get it back! (but it can take a long time).

[DeDukshyn]

I was taught an equal to this concept in the Landmark Forum course.

Their version explained that humans where "Reason making machines" - that filled all their experiences with "Reasons". It was explained how this process of filling experiences with "reasons" to justify their existence is like following a program - because all our "reasons" are based on some concept that has carried past its time - a program that never got deleted in a sense, when it no longer became useful (like fear or hope).

The solution? Become "Unreasonable" and free yourself from your reasons.

And also Tony, everything being wonderful is not hope based - it is experienced based -- your keyword "being" states that. "Hoping" for wonderful when experiencing less is "hope" based -- being is being. My 2 cents ;)


I take your point.

There are many points of view.
With inner joy comes a sadness.
Not everyone is experiencing everything as wonderful. One maybe happy within oneself, but everything is not wonderful unless everyone else is happy. Being realistic, that is not going to happen, as the universe is infinite! So, one just has to accept that.

If one found this life wonderful, one would not want to change. This is called the "Age of strife", and it does seem like that doesn't it?
However, certain teaching can now be practiced, simply because the emotions run high!
When we return to the Golden Age, after first going through the Bronze Age and Silver Age, everyone will be content...and won't want to change, and that probably will be the cause of returning to the Age of Strife again. One cannot stay in the god realms forever!

We will continue going round in circles, until 'we' break the cycle of 'my existence'.



The use of language is a tricky business,
Tony

"The use of language is a tricky business" -- indeed, I have really been seeing how my words don't always line up with what I want to say - but that just motivates me to become a better speaker. The trick here is to be able to say things in such a way that people on all levels can understand it -- this is the hard part, and is likely why we get a certain "like-mindedness" with others who use words in a similar way as ourselves - its a bit of a comfort thing instigated by the limitations of "linguistic only" communication (when you are face to face to someone there are other, non-language cues that alleviate this effect somewhat).

I like to think of the Universe - our "reality" or rather our "context for experiences", as being intended for adventure and play. I feel that is what existence is really about, and why separation occurs at all. Source gets bored, and invokes the separation, creating "dolphins" of consciousness that leap from the ocean of source to experience an identity, and to experience relationship with other "dolphins" who are also in their leap of separation - to mingle those distinct frequencies and enjoy the expression of one another; of course "dolphin" represents any Consciousness or "Being" of Source.

This "play" is the reason why seperation happens, however, since the conceptual "Fall of Man", humans have not been able to replenish themselves in Source, and we became frightened about this, and now our play has been ruined by our own fear and greed and now instead of refreshing in Source, we maintain receiving our perspective from Ego - which is so limited, it makes it hard to play ...

My point is that once we reverse the state of the Fall (via alleviation of the collective fear), we will be able to be the playful adventurers we are meant to be. Will we Fall again? Perhaps not, for if we find a way to replenish ourselves in Source on a regular basis, we will have the ability to enjoy both the beauty and adventure that the tools of the ego and a physical Universe can provide; and also to have the Wisdom of Source whenever it is required. Only the mind need refresh in Source in this case -- I think this is the goal; the reason for human existence - an experiment created to keep our bodies as tools of the Ego for adventure and play in these realms, but have a mind that can refresh in Source to keep our balance on the beam and not "Fall" again. To properly bridge the gap between spirit and matter - this I belive strongly.

So I see the state we are in "horrible strife" may be a lesson like riding a bike, if we can "get it" well enough, we may not have to learn again whenever we want to get on that bike. At the same time I also only seeing this being possible if the consciousness of humanity "gets this" collectively, for as if it only happens individually, not all will be on board, and you will always have parts of that whole reiterating the Lies of the Fall.

This is starting to become a bit of a runaway post off topic, but just something to consider ... my 2 cents ;)