One interpretation of what the Mayans said will happen in 2012

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this on my travels...


http://www.the2012countdown.com/images/planets_1226020026_ywqs.jpg

^ THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING ON EARTH DURING 2012.

Planet Earth will line up with the Galactic Center of our galaxy… as will all the other planets in our solar system. This happens every approx. 12,500 years. At this alignment, energy will bathe our solar system via the black hole at Galactic Center - an extraordinary cosmic event ! THIS WILL OCCUR AT THE EQUINOX IN DECEMBER OF 2012 !!


1. - We will begin to move beyond technology as we know it.

Now take this into perspective, the reality of our present technology has never been seen before by any previous civilization upon Earth (since Atlantis), if you brought back a Mayan Indian into your world of today,..."The World as he knew it to be will have ceased to exist ", recognize those words ?...yeah that is how apocalypse is defined in the Bible...it is NOT the end of the World, just the world you knew.


2. - We will begin to move beyond time and money.

Both TIME & MONEY are associated with this level of consciousness; they are NOT REAL. Linear time was introduced after "The Fall" in Atlantis. Money was "agreed" to in order to conduct "society" and those who wish to control humanity have taken control of the money system to maintain power & control over the population.

We as humans actually have no need for money, however if it is not manipulated and controlled as a means to control humanity, it can return to its purpose as a common means of exchange. We are not born with a requirement for it, unlike the air we breathe which would kill us instantly if it did not exist here on Earth (unless you're a Yogi master). Money is "given" to each of us, for the deeds we perform from our abilities. It is not the only way in which this can be done. Bartering goods and services between people is perfectly valid and will perhaps become more commonplace again. The Mayans and most of the core cultures prior to "western civilization" had other means to provide for every individual other than money, based upon the ability and contribution of each person. In other words, they were "paid" with, & provided for by RESPECT. Money is just a "cheap imitation" for that & has become more respected than the person. It can be a servant of humanity again if we choose.


Linear TIME is an aspect of the consciousness of planet Earth at this time. It was introduced with the fall of Atlantis and it will disappear at the end of 2012, just like the Mayans foretold.

Outside of the envelope around our planet, linear time does not exist. All timelines in truth coexist. A timeline therapist or a past life regression therapist knows this today.

By 2012, the Schumann Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth will be almost 13 cycles per second. For thousands of years, we have operated at 7.83 cycles per second. That means our human "clocks" which resonate with this are speeding up. This speeding up is part of the preparation for 2012.

After 2012, we will live BEYOND time!

3. - We will enter a new vibrational level or dimension, often referred to as the fifth dimension

Known as a magician of time, he understood mathematics, or numbers, as a type of language that transcends the subjectivity of human verbal experience. His sentiment "All is number. *God is a number. God is in All." is an intriguing way to catalogue the Maya's message that we are intimately linked with and informed by the Galaxy. All of life is ordered by the same basic, re-occurring patterns.
*In the Yucatec Mayan language, the word "Hunab Ku" means Source
- The One, Giver of Movement and Measure, the galactic center, "God".

Pacal Votan's prophetic call is alerting present-day humanity that our biological process is transforming, approaching the culmination of a 12,500 year evolutionary program. It brings in the return of universal telepathy, heightened sense capacity, and self-reflective consciousness, which is a return to the sacred domain of our inner technology.

Many skills will be rediscovered. Bi-location. Teleporting. The ability to move between timelines, to revisit the past and change it for a better NOW. To step into different futures and try them on.

To manifest in physical reality. And much, much more....


4. - Planet Earth and the Solar System will come into galactic synchronization with the rest of the Universe.

http://www.the2012countdown.com/images/erection_2160_bc_web_2.0_d355.gif

5. - Our DNA will be "upgraded"

http://www.the2012countdown.com/images/dna_rgb_si14.gif

The energies created from this alignment and synchronization of the universe and other extraordinary events will cause our DNA to change from the 2 strands we currently have to over 2,000 strands, just like we had before the fall in Atlantis. Our cell structure is changing now, from carbon to crystalline and will be changed completely by 2012 (if you have chosen to ascend and are clearing your karmic past). We will be beyond the constraints of time. The Mayans called Galactic Center Hunab Ku, in recognition of its importance.


6. - Everybody on this planet is mutating. Some are more conscious of it than others. But everyone is doing it.

We NEED NO WORDS to communicate & understand exactly what our "pets" have to tell us...& IF we were not "taught" that it is impossible to do, or just "freaky" if you can...We already know each others’ thoughts too ! We energetically ARE able to experience and “feel” other people’s energy. You do this EVERY DAY already,...it is just that you have been "educated" not to TRUST this "feeling", because "it" cannot be "verified" by any rational equation !!!!

Are YOU starting to understand the Pattern here that we are "subjected" to ??

The influence of those in Government, religion, business and elsewhere who have sought control over humanity for their own ends is coming to an end.

7. - ALL OF THIS TYPE OF CHANGE WILL BE FACT & WILL BE IN EFFECT BY DECEMBER 2012, THAT IS THE REAL DEAL !!!

Have you ever asked YOURSELF THOSE QUESTIONS ?...You already KNOW THE ANSWER, you have just been convinced that you're "afraid" to recognize the TRUTH of who you are ! ...WAKE UP !...the game is OVER.....HELLO, GET UP WITH IT !!!!

PICK A SIDE AND PLAY IT THROUGH, IT IS YOUR FREE CHOICE, SO CHOOSE NOW.

Nobody said this was gonna be "easy", life is often a painful journey, it is painful because we feel separated from our True Source. We feel separated from Source because we can’t remember our connection, even though it’s there and always has been. Until you "accept" & surrender to WHO YOU ARE, it’s just groping around in the dark, feeling your way through this life, banging into every obstacle that you refuse to see...Thinking your all "alone in the World",...of course your NOT, your just unable to "get it" yet....but you CAN !!!

Here’s the deal…we ALL are VOLUNTEERS OF PLANET EARTH, & willingly agreed to come here to experience a human life or 2 or 300,000 or whatever. We FREELY chose to come here to PROVIDE understanding as our contribution to the infinite & eternal Source from which we departed on this "mission".

We chose our families…. We chose to come at this time. We agreed to incarnate upon Earth from our origins (the heavenly realms) for our own growth and evolution and for service to humanity and to Source.

We also agreed that we would not remember our connection. We agreed to bring something forth for humanity, good or bad, through our experience and choices, and to evolve into the knowledge, once again, of our complete uniqueness as a child of Source, connected to all and with the power of creating whatever we choose.

We ALL are going through changes… the “awakening” process, you will remember your connection to Source, your purpose on earth, the many lives you’ve lived on this planet and others, and why you are here.

That’s the beauty of what’s coming in 2012!

YOU WILL REMEMBER YOU ARE AN ETERNAL BEING,...
..AND NOT JUST ANOTHER BOZO ON THE BUS....:

http://www.the2012countdown.com/Why_2012__.html

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viking

[Jackson]

Thanks Viking.....

I agree with you. It is very evident if one just looks inside and trust in the answers.
However, I wonder how many will be in the right space to understand this and embrace the changes?
It will require your willingness to change the way you think. It has been proven now that the old way of doing things on this planet will not work anymore.
It will only work if we give up our old programming and start to see reality without the illusion of old thinking.

Well said Viking.

Jackson

[Warlock]

I'll get back to you in January.

Warlock

[Vitalux]

Thank you so much Viking.

I have a quick question......If the Mayan's knew all this stuff......why does legend and history have it that they were cutting each other's hearts out at the temple and offering it to the Gods?

http://caterpillarpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/a-priest-cuts-out-the-victim-s-heart-in-an-aztec-human-sacrifice-to-the-sun-copied-from-the-codex_i-G-40-4023-GMTWF00Z.jpg

[Moz]

Dear Vitalux,

The question is fair, although I'm uncertain if relevant here.
We can probably learn something anyway from the Mayans.
The best way that I can relay this is that I did learn "stuff" from my high school teacher...

Anyway for me the question is rather along the lines of: if they didn't solve the issue then they didn't know how....so why am I STILL listening to them?

A big hug,
Moz

[ghostrider]

Earth will line up with the central sun and at sunset you will see on optical illusion as if the central sun of the milkyway appears to be our sun . I think only one other planet lines up with earth and the central sun. Check out Jpl website and go forward to dec 21, 2012.

[Selene]

Mmmmm, well, Viking. The sentiments on the site you’ve linked are all very “worthy” and hopeful and good-hearted and all that. Very nice. But they are not Mayan. Please – dear friend - don’t try to build an argument on this very flimsiest of misunderstandings. It doesn’t help you. And I don’t mean this as a personal comment, but I don’t see how to avoid it becoming that, so I ask your indulgence here. I don’t intend to intrude.

Even the most cursory examination of that site you’ve linked would show pretty clearly that the site’s allusions to a “Mayan” interpretation is – at minimum – questionable, and deliberately disingenuous even at moderate probability. I’ll give that site credit for being enthusiastic. But authentic or scholarly? No.

What I’m saying is: Mayan - so called – ‘prophecy’ has never said any such thing as promulgated there. Sorry. But, no.

Nothing I’m saying can diminish the superb oral tradition of the Mayan shamans and elders who have passed on their exquisite spiritual traditions from master to pupil for thousands of years, often under very difficult circumstances. Their wisdom or veracity is not in question here.

But there’s simply nothing in the 2012 Mayan Calendar glyph that supports that particular site’s grand interpretation. Nothing. Nor is there anything in Mayan oral tradition that can be relied on here. None is quoted, no one is referred to. I wish it were otherwise, but…..

You see, even under the best of circumstances there’s an essential problem with oral tradition: it’s oral, not written. It can be reinterpreted with every speaker, into every age, every language (in translation) as that language evolves over time. And as the story is passed from generation to generation it becomes a kind of game of Chinese Whispers even with the best of intentions, because new insights are always intruding on ancient ones and blended into them. Even – to be fair – carefully written iconic scriptures get reinterpreted/re-understood/re-explained by different minds over centuries and centuries into different realities. We keep seeing things afresh to suit our own situation. That’s what gives ancient texts their enduring power, after all. Biblical, Hassidic. Koranic, Hindu and Buddhist scholars have been at this for a very, very long time, albeit with the best of intentions but with predictable results: the story subtly warps and changes in the telling. That’s the way it is.

So, in this case, the only verifiable written record we have is the Tikal stone glyph and the Dresden Codex. That’s it. There’s simply nothing else that is bedrock.

And from what I’ve heard - and I could be wrong – the only thing that true Mayan elders have said is “It will be okay, eventually….” A modest and honest interpretation, for which I thank them. But that’s all.

Whomever is riding on the fringes of this magic carpet is playing fast and loose with other good peoples’ credibility, in my opinion. (So shoot me…;)

Best regards,

Selene

[GlassSteagallfan]

We will enter the age of Aquarius.

Keep seeing that word 'aqua' in there. The age of 'water'.

[Wind]

Change is imminent.

[Ultima Thule]

Sorry to run with a single bit of the text, but the myth of Schumann resonance rising is one of those things that needs to be taken a good look at.
A good article about that matter at: http://sedonanomalies.weebly.com/schumann-resonance.html

So: I cannot relate to the myth of Schumann resonance rising, I can however see it possible that as we humans tune ourselves into Schumann resonance at 7.8 herz, we might given time change our "main tuning" from this 7.8 to the next peak frequency in Schumann resonance, which is around 13-14 herz. 7.8 herz still stays, but we might - raise our frequency - effectively reaching a next level.

UT

[Jayke]

We will enter the age of Aquarius.

Keep seeing that word 'aqua' in there. The age of 'water'.

Aquarius the water bearer is actually an air sign strangely enough lol the water bearer who carries the spiritual waters, the waters of consciousness.

In the book 'the most holy trinosophia' by comte st germaine there is a passage that states:


The keynote throughout this material is that of the approach of the age when the Leg of the Grand Man and the Waterman of the Zodiac shall meet in conjunction at the equinox and end a grand 400,000-year cycle. This points to a culmination of eons, as mentioned in the Apocalypse: "Behold! I make a new heaven and a new earth," meaning a series of new cycles and a new humanity.

In ancient astrology they chose the lion to represent the height of summer because it's at this point when we have the most intensely heated spiritual energies coming through to us. In a state of mastery the lion represents wisdom and power, the fiery roar of the kundalini alight in ones aura. In it's unrefined animal and carnal form it represents the spiritual energies unleashed in an excess of sexual or emotional impulsiveness. And so when the procession of the zodiac was last in Leo, over 12,000 years ago we had the age of the great spiritual masters, the builders and keepers of the great wisdom civilisations. But the great masters were also accompanied by the impulsive destroyers who indulgent in their animal passions leaned too heavily in excesses and brought the collapse of continents.

The ancients always looked to the age of Aquarius because Aquarius is directly opposite Leo in the wheel of the zodiac and anyone who knows anything about toroidal physics will recognise it's at these poles where we have the greatest inpouring of spiritual energy.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoc5k4nHVC--vT9A0ZUzB8EPz4navrvYVTyuZEOGkJ0uVL5H_V

The water bearer to the ancients then symbolised the perfected man, without the intensity of the lion, the man who can gracefully bear the weight of the spiritual waters becomes perfected in his wisdom, "I know" is the key phrase of Aquarius, finding that perfect equilibrium between ignorance and excess.

It's also interesting to note that on dec 3 2012 there is an interesting planetary alignment that will be visible above the great pyramids of Giza, an artists rendition below:

http://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/PlanetsoverGiza.jpg

http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/2012-and-the-pyramids-at-giza/

The writer of this article alludes to the fact that the three planets are prophetic of the three wise men and the pryamids were built to mark the birth of the new consciousness around the planet during this time.

Curious times ahead no doubt, although I don't really envision anything terribly drastic occuring on any specific dates. We'll probably find we're beginning to have a greater access to our subtle etheric bodies, heightened intuition, greater ease to steer and create the lives we choose to live.

A heightened intuition would also increase our abilities to sense lies and untruths, like we're seeing more and more around the world which would lead to an increase in awakening and outrage of the people to take less crap and make a stand against governments who seek to enslave us...once those patriarchal old boys are removed from their chariots of power and the shackles of humanity unleashed evolution could rapidly turn in any fascinating or mysterious direction.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Selene, yes interpretation can be muddled over the years and mis-read as is with the bible ect ...

Anyway some more here ...

Carlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq'ij (is a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide) of the Eagle Clan. Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars circulating. Carlos along with his brother Gerardo studied with many teachers and interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

Carlos found out quickly there were several conflicting interpretations of Mayan hieroglyphs, petroglyphs, Sacred Books of 'Chilam Balam' and various ancient text. Carlos found some strong words for those who may have contributed to the confusion:

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

"We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth Changes."

He continues: "Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human. We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action."

Carlos tells us: "The indigenous have the calendars and know how to accurately interpret it -- not others. The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different calendars such as the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than ten million years.

"All was predicted by the mathematical cycles of the Mayan calendars. -- It will change --everything will change. Mayan Day-keepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator and the Earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy."

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions.

Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the Earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration. Carlos reminds us: "This process has already begun. Change is accelerating now and it will continue to accelerate.

If the people of the Earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way."

The date specified in the calendar Winter Solstice in the year 2012 does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition.

Carlos tells us: "The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition from August 1987 to August 1992 was the beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now, and many of the so-called sources of financial stability are in fact hollow. The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally, if we don't pay attention. Now, people are paying attention."

The North and South Poles are both breaking up. The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise. Carlos tells a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony. The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light.

"Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way. We live in a world of polarity -- day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance."

Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."

"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group's understandings, are the key. There's a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."

Carlos believes the dark side works to block unity through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want unity. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It's too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to unity, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.

Carlos said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of Earth, Air, Fire and Water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun --- that element is 'ETHER'.

The dictionary defines Ether as a "hypothetical substance supposed to occupy all space, postulated to account for the propagation of electromagnetic radiation through space." Perhaps it could be defined as the "space between space". I would suggest it could be manifest as the alignment of charged particles from our solar system (Sun), and our galaxy (Milky Way) surge. The Ether element represents spiritual energy.

"The element of the Fifth Sun is celestial. Within the context of Ether there can be a joining of the polarities. No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted unity. But right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012."

"We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and unity now, to confront the other side and preserve life."

We are disturbed -- we can't play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action. Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history."

Carlos says: "The prophesied changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are. We need to act, to make changes, and to elect people to represent us who understand and who will take political action to respect the Earth."

"Meditation and spiritual practice are good, but also action. It's very important to be clear about who you are, and also about your relation to the Earth. Develop yourself according to your own tradition and the call of your heart. But remember to respect differences, and strive for unity. Eat wisely --- a lot of food is corrupt in either subtle or gross ways. Pay attention to what you are taking into your body. Learn to preserve food, and to conserve energy. Learn some good breathing techniques, so you have mastery of your breath. Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots."

"We live in a world of energy. An important task at this time is to learn to sense or see the energy of everyone and everything -- people, plants, animals. This becomes increasingly important as we draw close to the World of the Fifth Sun, for it is associated with the element 'ether' -- the realm where energy lives and weaves. Go to the sacred places of the Earth to pray for peace, and have respect for the Earth which gives us our food, clothing, and shelter. We need to reactivate the energy of these sacred places. That is our work."

"One simple but effective prayer technique is to light white or baby-blue colored candles. Think of a moment in peace. Speak your intention to the flame and send the light of it on to the leaders who have the power to make war or peace."
Carlos reminds us this is a crucially important moment for humanity and for Earth. Each person is important.

He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. "The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. They know that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."

http://www.seri-worldwide.org/id435.html

More here
http://www.adishakti.org/mayan_end_times_prophecy_12-21-2012.htm


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viking

[KosmicKat]

I have a quick question......If the Mayan's knew all this stuff......why does legend and history have it that they were cutting each other's hearts out at the temple and offering it to the Gods?


I'm not an expert on mesoamerican cultures, but AFAIK, it was the Aztecs, a post-Mayan (in the sense of the Maya being a major civilization) culture, who practiced human sacrifice.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear viking (sigh) --

This is not what the Mayans said.

Selene wrote:


Whomever is riding on the fringes of this magic carpet is playing fast and loose with other good peoples’ credibility, in my opinion.

She's 100% correct.

[xerius]

Can anyone expound on the meaning of the 4th and 5th sun? What information is given about the fifth sun? With all the failed prophecies and speculations mainly being reported on the alternative media forums, I am getting sick and tired of these guys who's trying to show off and know what they are talking about... which boils down to their ow EGO speaking and putting interpretations.

[Eric J (Viking)]

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Dear viking (sigh) --

This is not what the Mayans said.

Selene wrote:


Whomever is riding on the fringes of this magic carpet is playing fast and loose with other good peoples’ credibility, in my opinion.

She's 100% correct.


You know I get sick and tired of you 'on my case' 24/7 Bill ...and to be quite honest with you Bill I couldn't give a hoot whether you ban me or not...I posted 'found this on my travels' and supplied you with a link...all of a sudden you pop in and the title has been changed to 'Here’s what viking says the Mayans said will happen in 2012' !! geeeeeze !!

tittle tattle!

viking

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear viking (sigh) --

This is not what the Mayans said.

Selene wrote:


Whomever is riding on the fringes of this magic carpet is playing fast and loose with other good peoples’ credibility, in my opinion.

She's 100% correct.


You know I get sick and tired of you 'on my case' 24/7 Bill ...and to be quite honest with you Bill I couldn't give a hoot whether you ban me or not...I posted 'found this on my travels' and supplied you with a link...all of a sudden you pop in and the title has been changed to 'Here’s what viking says the Mayans said will happen in 2012' !! geeeeeze !!

tittle tattle!

viking

viking, I changed the title because that made it accurate. The original title "Here’s what the Mayans said will happen in 2012" is not. It wasn't even in the original article which you quoted.

It's part of the mods' job to ensure that thread titles are not deliberately or accidentally misleading, or waste members or visitors' time. Because you appear to have little responsibility regarding what may waste others' time, we have to step in occasionally and do it for you.

[Eric J (Viking)]

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Dear viking (sigh) --

This is not what the Mayans said.

Selene wrote:


Whomever is riding on the fringes of this magic carpet is playing fast and loose with other good peoples’ credibility, in my opinion.

She's 100% correct.


You know I get sick and tired of you 'on my case' 24/7 Bill ...and to be quite honest with you Bill I couldn't give a hoot whether you ban me or not...I posted 'found this on my travels' and supplied you with a link...all of a sudden you pop in and the title has been changed to 'Here’s what viking says the Mayans said will happen in 2012' !! geeeeeze !!

tittle tattle!

viking

viking, I changed the title because that made it accurate. The original title "Here’s what the Mayans said will happen in 2012" is not. It wasn't even in the original article which you quoted.

It's part of the mods' job to ensure that thread titles are not deliberately or accidentally misleading, or waste members or visitors' time. Because you appear to have little responsibility regarding what may waste others' time, we have to step in occasionally and do it for you.

Yeah yeah ...sounds like a dig to me...and to be honest you Bill, you should know better...hmmm 'lets put him in his place' !! comes to mind ...

I might not be as eloquent as you bill. but stupid I am not!

viking

[miqeel]

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Dear viking (sigh) --

This is not what the Mayans said.

Selene wrote:


Whomever is riding on the fringes of this magic carpet is playing fast and loose with other good peoples’ credibility, in my opinion.

She's 100% correct.



You know I get sick and tired of you 'on my case' 24/7 Bill ...and to be quite honest with you Bill I couldn't give a hoot whether you ban me or not...I posted 'found this on my travels' and supplied you with a link...all of a sudden you pop in and the title has been changed to 'Here’s what viking says the Mayans said will happen in 2012' !! geeeeeze !!

tittle tattle!

viking

Dear Bill, I read many a post of viking's and understand that what he brings to the forum might be controversial. W have discernment to use in the case of this type of posts.

However, I am completely against patronizing and contempt. And this is what I am getting from your post and the change of the title of the post. In my opinion it's disrespectful, and I am surprised to see it.

Mike

[ThePythonicCow]

You know I get sick and tired of you 'on my case' 24/7 Bill ...and to be quite honest with you Bill I couldn't give a hoot whether you ban me or not...I posted 'found this on my travels' and supplied you with a link...all of a sudden you pop in and the title has been changed to 'Here’s what viking says the Mayans said will happen in 2012' !! geeeeeze !!

tittle tattle!

viking

Not only do you disdain to validate your own posts, even when doing so would be easy, you get frustrated with others checking your posts or fixing your errors. The title of this thread was wrong, and Bill fixed it. I'd be grateful, not "sick and tired."

When I worked on the Linux kernel, anyone who posted broken code would be expected to accept critiques and to try harder next time. If instead they railed against such efforts and insisted on continuing to post broken code, attacking even the head Linux honcho, Linus Torvalds, for fixing an obvious error, they would be thrown out, forthwith.

We really are trying to work together to better understand some difficult subjects here. None of us can get it all right, all the time ... but we can at least appreciate others making the effort to fix some of our errors.

[ThePythonicCow]

And this is what I am getting from your post and the change of the title of the post. In my opinion it's disrespectful, and I am surprised to see it.
The title was wrong.

Declining to fix a blatant error because the author of the error isn't open to corrections would be an unfortunate choice of priorities.

We should work together to improve our shared understanding. That is more important than declining to fix a blatant error because it might upset the author.

[Eric J (Viking)]

You know I get sick and tired of you 'on my case' 24/7 Bill ...and to be quite honest with you Bill I couldn't give a hoot whether you ban me or not...I posted 'found this on my travels' and supplied you with a link...all of a sudden you pop in and the title has been changed to 'Here’s what viking says the Mayans said will happen in 2012' !! geeeeeze !!

tittle tattle!

viking

Not only do you disdain to validate your own posts, even when doing so would be easy, you get frustrated with others checking your posts or fixing your errors. The title of this thread was wrong, and Bill fixed it. I'd be grateful, not "sick and tired."

When I worked on the Linux kernel, anyone who posted broken code would be expected to accept critiques and to try harder next time. If instead they railed against such efforts and insisted on continuing to post broken code, attacking even the head Linux honcho, Linus Torvalds, for fixing an obvious error, they would be thrown out, forthwith.

We really are trying to work together to better understand some difficult subjects here. None of us can get it all right, all the time ... but we can at least appreciate others making the effort to fix some of our errors.

Nothing less from you Paul ...

http://img.symworks.com/l_nodding_dog_pink.jpg

Another thing Bill.

I know you believe that nothing will happen on and around the 21.12.12 and it will just pass just as many predicted dates before us have,as you have stated before. But there are many here that believe that we are about to experience something far greater than many can comprehend, and with the consciousness expanding exponentially each day we get closer to the tipping point...why poo poo whenever someone posts about the coming changes? Which incidentally they are entitled to embrace ... !

viking

[SKAWF]

i had often believed that even if the whole mayan thing doesnt happen,
that the presence of a mass human belief in an 'event'
might actually be enough to trigger something.

its not always the subject that is enlightening.
often its one's own reaction to it.
inspiration can be drawn from anywhere.

but for those who think that ascension is something that will happen to them....
without them having to examine themselves truthfully....
like all they have to do is sit there and wait.....

what are you going to do when it doesnt happen?

you externalised your own spiritual advancement
and placed its fate in an outside event.

thats what tptb have been trying to do to us from day 1
there is no greater 'thing' than the core of your own being.
nothing outside of you, can access it.
tptb have been trying to isolate it... lock it down....
religion was as close as they can get to it

now people are doing the job for them.

nice one.

steve

[MorningSong]

As far as I can tell, the OP posted by Viking is a copy and paste of this site and page:

http://www.the2012countdown.com/Why_2012__.html

It is therefore a grave error to entitle this thread "What Viking says...." unless he is the original author of the2012countdown.com site.

@ Viking: thanks for your contributions to the forum. I appreciate them and you.

[ThePythonicCow]

As far as I can tell, the OP posted by Viking is a copy and paste of this site and page:

http://www.the2012countdown.com/Why_2012__.html

It is therefore a grave error to entitle this thread "What Viking says...." unless he is the original author of the2012countdown.com site.

Well ... viking did say that the Mayans said that ... when he posted that article here under just that title :).

[Bill Ryan]

Another thing Bill.

I know you believe that nothing will happen on and around the 21.12.12 and it will just pass just as many predicted dates before us have,as you have stated before. But there are many here that believe that we are about to experience something far greater than many can comprehend

viking, you can post as much as you like about what you believe. Just be honest. What you copied-and-pasted is not what the Mayans said would happen in 2012.

They simply stated [my paraphrase] that it was the end of an age, just as 31 December, 1999 marked the end of the last century. The new century started the day after. Everything just continued.

Everything else -- all the interpretations subsequently added -- is a kind of New Age Religion, which is even more distortedly divergent from the original texts than the King James Bible is from what Jesus actually said and did.

In my opinion, you do way too much copying-and-pasting of material from elsewhere, as a substitute for your own original and critical thinking. I understand that what you copy-and-paste supports your belief system. I even acknowledge that to some it would seem that I was disrespectful (yes, of course I was making a point). But the title was all wrong. Our job as mods in moderating thread titles (besides much else) is to ensure that the balance of the material we present is maintained. We'll continue to do that.

What would be absolutely fine is to start a thread with the subject: "What I believe will happen on 21 December 2012". That title would be honest and accurate, and you are welcome to present any belief you like. My challenge to you is to do it in your own words, and tell us a little about yourself and why you believe these things. That then would be interesting for others to read. Don't just plagiarize material from elsewhere and make it try to state your personal case for you. In intellectual terms, that's just lazy.

[gooty64]

post not relevant with third title change:o

[Eric J (Viking)]

As far as I can tell, the OP posted by Viking is a copy and paste of this site and page:

http://www.the2012countdown.com/Why_2012__.html

It is therefore a grave error to entitle this thread "What Viking says...." unless he is the original author of the2012countdown.com site.

Well ... viking did say that the Mayans said that ... when he posted that article here under just that title :).

You know and I know whoever changed the title was being padantic ... if thats the case then...we should change all titles to 'this poster says that aliens dont exist' (example) regardless of where the story originated from !? ...

Doesn't make sense!

viking

[Vitalux]

I am actually very happy that I had the opportunity to experience this thread.
It helped me learn a bit more about thread interaction.
It is a positive experience.

Thank you Bill and Paul for taking the time and consideration for the growth of this community.
It will allow myself, as well as others, to gain a better understanding while creating posts.
:tea::cheer2::grouphug:

[gooty64]

pe·dan·tic adj \pi-ˈdan-tik\

Definition of PEDANTIC

1
: of, relating to, or being a pedant(see pedant)
2
: narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned
3
: unimaginative, pedestrian
— pe·dan·ti·cal·ly adverb
Examples of PEDANTIC

It may seem pedantic to harp on what looks like mere procedure, but this is one case where the process is the forest. —Hendrik Hertzberg, New Yorker, 29 May 2000
[+]more
Origin of PEDANTIC

(see pedant)
First Known Use: circa 1600
Rhymes with PEDANTIC

Atlantic, gigantic, romantic, semantic
Learn More About PEDANTIC

Spanish-English Dictionary: Translation of "pedantic"

[Eric J (Viking)]

pe·dan·tic adj \pi-ˈdan-tik\

Definition of PEDANTIC

1
: of, relating to, or being a pedant(see pedant)
2
: narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned
3
: unimaginative, pedestrian
— pe·dan·ti·cal·ly adverb
Examples of PEDANTIC

It may seem pedantic to harp on what looks like mere procedure, but this is one case where the process is the forest. —Hendrik Hertzberg, New Yorker, 29 May 2000
[+]more
Origin of PEDANTIC

(see pedant)
First Known Use: circa 1600
Rhymes with PEDANTIC

Atlantic, gigantic, romantic, semantic
Learn More About PEDANTIC

Spanish-English Dictionary: Translation of "pedantic"

And the point is Gooty ...?

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa ! lets follow the crowd hey! ;-)

Pedantic = A state of mind which is about caring a lot about formalities, often more than necessary. One may be called pedantic when he/she points out corrections in unimportant details.

viking

[Bill Ryan]

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OK, viking -- I've changed the thread title again to something more reasonable.

I apologize for and take responsibility for being irritated. Just as long as you take responsibility for being irritating. :)

:focus:

[SilentFeathers]

Once again......

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3TqfDoGSoeQ/T-B56Y7Lu3I/AAAAAAAADeM/Sy3AEY2rq3U/s1600/confused+1.jpeg

[Eric J (Viking)]

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OK, viking -- I've changed the thread title again to something more reasonable.

I apologize for and take responsibility for being irritated. Just as long as you take responsibility for being irritating. :)

:focus:

Accepted...my pleasure.

You'll never know how much I appreciated that Bill, blessings.

And thanks Fred... ;-)

viking

[gooty64]

:focus::grouphug::ufo:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I apologize for and take responsibility for being irritated. Just as long as you take responsibility for being irritating. :)


In fairness that's a quality quote!

In regards to the Mayans and 2012, and taking a risk on being completely wrong however, I'll state my take on it:

December 21st 2012 spells the end for the Mayan Long Count Calendar, the end of b'ak'tun 13, or a cycle of 5,125 years.

According to the Popol Vuh, the ancient Mayan creation-myth, we are living in the '4th incarnation' of the world. Previous 'failed' 'worlds came before us (and were destroyed), and new worlds await us. Our current world-age, according to the Mayans, began on 11th August 3114 BC (Gregorian Calendar), and it is due to end at the conclusion of the 13th b'ak'tun, which surprise surprise is December 21st 2012. This will be the beginning of the 5th world, and a new world/age.

It is true, as far as I'm aware, that the Mayans did not actually predict anything specific with regards to destruction or cataclysm with the end of 13th b'ak'tun, which seems to be a popular defence against the '2012 phenomenon'. But surely this is not the point, is it? Most 2012 advocates do not actually claim that the 'end of the world is coming', me among them. They are saying that a 'new age' is coming; a change, a radical transformation of both global consciousness and human spirituality. And besides, the previous Mayan 'worlds' were destroyed for the new to take shape, so if all this does follow, some disasters or other may be unavoidable.

[Mu2143]

By 2012, the Schumann Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth will be almost 13 cycles per second. For thousands of years, we have operated at 7.83 cycles per second. That means our human "clocks" which resonate with this are speeding up. This speeding up is part of the preparation for 2012.


This is completely pointless onless I can buy a "Schumann Resonance reading device at the shop and know how it works "


The energies created from this alignment and synchronization of the universe and other extraordinary events will cause our DNA to change from the 2 strands we currently have to over 2,000 strands, just like we had before the fall in Atlantis. Our cell structure is changing now, from carbon to crystalline and will be changed completely by 2012 (if you have chosen to ascend and are clearing your karmic past). We will be beyond the constraints of time. The Mayans called Galactic Center Hunab Ku, in recognition of its importance.

Crystals is a construct of duality and its part of the New Age cult which is focusing on the pyshical changes that almost nobody can check out them self.

[Hervé]

By 2012, the Schumann Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth will be almost 13 cycles per second. For thousands of years, we have operated at 7.83 cycles per second. That means our human "clocks" which resonate with this are speeding up. This speeding up is part of the preparation for 2012.


This is completely pointless onless I can buy a "Schumann Resonance reading device at the shop and know how it works "

[...]



Not quite.

There is a site which records the daily variations of the Schumann Resonances and with that site's help, one can definitely demonstrate that the "increase of the Schumann Resonance" is a total, complete and full crock of sh*t!


Unless I am totally off the mark, in this case, the term "resonance" comes from an analogy to an electronic circuit which oscillates only at certain frequencies. It is on this property of such circuit that early radio transceivers were built.

[...]

Schumann Resonances:

Schumann resonances were named after the German physicist Winfried Schumann who first discovered them in 1952. Radiation from the sun ionizes part of the earth’s atmosphere and forms a conductive plasma layer, the ionosphere. The ionosphere surrounding our planet is positively charged relative to the earth’s surface, which carries a negative charge. This creates an electrical tension within the space between the earth and ionosphere. Every second, there are about 1000 lightening storms worldwide, which help to excite the Schumann resonances. Schumann resonances occur because the earth’s conductive surface and the lower boundary of the conductive ionosphere are separated by a cavity of nonconducting air that is acting as a wave-guide. The resonant frequencies of the earth-ionosphere cavity are in the ultralow frequency range (ULF) and extremely low frequency range (ELF). (See Figure 2)

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Figure 2.
Schumann resonances in earth-ionosphere cavity.

Now, checking on the daily graphs of the recorded Schumann resonant frequency, I don't see much "increase"... somebody is pulling legs... that's my guess.

18177 18178

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/earth-rhythms.html


Anyone can check to any one's satisfaction at the above site (Live Data Tab) that the fundamental Schumann resonance hasn't increased since last year.

To hell with disinfo!

[RunningDeer]

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OK, viking -- I've changed the thread title again to something more reasonable.

I apologize for and take responsibility for being irritated. Just as long as you take responsibility for being irritating. :)

:focus:

Accepted...my pleasure.

You'll never know how much I appreciated that Bill, blessings.

And thanks Fred... ;-)

viking


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Lucy/Bill_Viking.JPG

[mosquito]

Thanks for changing the title to a more accurate one. Last year I started a thread on what the Mayans actually say, linked to websites with content from genuine Mayans. The thread was based on my experience and actually having MET the Barrios brothers that you quote Viking. Let me assure you, they and every other Mayan I've met are tired of the European misinterptretation of their culture.

Typically though, the thread attracted very little attention as it wasn't supporting the then vogue garbage being peddled by Calleman et al.

[we-R-one]

By 2012, the Schumann Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth will be almost 13 cycles per second. For thousands of years, we have operated at 7.83 cycles per second. That means our human "clocks" which resonate with this are speeding up. This speeding up is part of the preparation for 2012.


This is completely pointless onless I can buy a "Schumann Resonance reading device at the shop and know how it works "

[...]



Not quite.

There is a site which records the daily variations of the Schumann Resonances and with that site's help, one can definitely demonstrate that the "increase of the Schumann Resonance" is a total, complete and full crock of sh*t!


Unless I am totally off the mark, in this case, the term "resonance" comes from an analogy to an electronic circuit which oscillates only at certain frequencies. It is on this property of such circuit that early radio transceivers were built.

[...]

Schumann Resonances:

Schumann resonances were named after the German physicist Winfried Schumann who first discovered them in 1952. Radiation from the sun ionizes part of the earth’s atmosphere and forms a conductive plasma layer, the ionosphere. The ionosphere surrounding our planet is positively charged relative to the earth’s surface, which carries a negative charge. This creates an electrical tension within the space between the earth and ionosphere. Every second, there are about 1000 lightening storms worldwide, which help to excite the Schumann resonances. Schumann resonances occur because the earth’s conductive surface and the lower boundary of the conductive ionosphere are separated by a cavity of nonconducting air that is acting as a wave-guide. The resonant frequencies of the earth-ionosphere cavity are in the ultralow frequency range (ULF) and extremely low frequency range (ELF). (See Figure 2)

18176


Figure 2.
Schumann resonances in earth-ionosphere cavity.

Now, checking on the daily graphs of the recorded Schumann resonant frequency, I don't see much "increase"... somebody is pulling legs... that's my guess.

18177 18178

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/earth-rhythms.html


Anyone can check to any one's satisfaction at the above site (Live Data Tab) that the fundamental Schumann resonance hasn't increased since last year.

To hell with disinfo!

Can I just ask...how do you know the information on this site isn't being skewed? I'm not trying to be a smart alec, but there is so much disinfo out there the question begs to be asked. Who monitors this data and can they be trusted? How do we know this site isn't being manipulated? Plus the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year. Thanks in advance.

[Ultima Thule]

I guess the important question would be: why would the measurements be manipulated? What is there to gain? Which ever way it is, raising or not, humans are in relation to the Schumann resonance and would be adjusting themselves to the raising of it. I do hope that you might consider the model I suggested earlier, namely that the resonance is not raising, but as there are already multiple frequencies present in Schumann resonance, 7.8 hz being the usual one that is referred to, the emphasis of the frequency might in theory be raising to the next level at about 13-14 herz or perhaps more likely humans might change to function more in tune with the 13-14hz level . In analogy a person can function through root chakra mainly, but may develope to function through say heart chakra. The root chakra won´t cease to exist nor does its frequency rise, the person is just changing the emphasis of his/her functioning - tuning into a different radio station, one might in analogy say.

UT

[WhiteFeather]

Can anyone expound on the meaning of the 4th and 5th sun? What information is given about the fifth sun? With all the failed prophecies and speculations mainly being reported on the alternative media forums, I am getting sick and tired of these guys who's trying to show off and know what they are talking about... which boils down to their ow EGO speaking and putting interpretations.

The Five Worlds

We Hopi believe that the human race has passed through three different worlds and life ways since the beginning. At the end of each prior world, human life has been purified or punished by the Great Spirit, or Massau, due mainly to corruption, greed and turning away from the Great Spirit's teachings. The last great destruction was the flood which destroyed all but a few faithful ones who asked and received a permission from the Great Spirit to live with Him in this new land. The Great Spirit said, "It is up to you, if you are willing to live my poor, humble and simple life way. It is hard but if you agree to live according to my teachings and instructions, if you never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me." The Hopi and all who were saved from the great flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit at that time. We Hopi made an oath that we will never turn away from Him. For us the Creator's laws never change or break down.

We are now faced with great problems, not only here but throughout the land. Ancient cultures are being annihilated. Our people's lands are being taken from them, leaving them no place to call their own. Why is this happening? It is happening because many have given up or manipulated their original spiritual teachings. The way of life which the Great Spirit has given to all its people of the world, whatever your original instructions are not being honored. It is because of this great sickness-called greed, which infects every land and country that simple people are losing what they have kept for thousands of years.

Now we are at the very end of our trail. Many people no longer recognize the true path of the Great Spirit. They have, in fact, no respect for the Great Spirit or for our precious Mother Earth, who gives us all life.

We are instructed in our ancient prophecy that this would occur. We were told that someone would try to go up to the moon: that they would bring something back from the moon; and that after that, nature would show signs of losing its balance. Now we see that coming about. All over the world there are now many signs that nature is no longer in balance. Floods, drought, earthquakes, and great storms are occurring and causing much suffering. We do not want this to occur in our country and we pray to the Great Spirit to save us from such things. But there are now signs that this very same thing might happen very soon on our own land."

Hopi Prophecy

The Hopi prophecy talks of us having Four Worlds, with the Fifth World about to emerge from the ashes of the Fourth, the timing signified by Nine Signs:

1. The coming of white-skinned men, who take land that is not theirs and who strike their enemies with thunder (guns) 2. The coming of spinning wheels filled with voices (covered wagons) 3. A strange beast like a buffalo but with long horns that overruns the land in large numbers (cattle) 4. The land is crossed by snakes of iron (railroad tracks) 5. The land is crossed by a giant spider's web (power lines) 6. The land is crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun (mirages on asphalt and concrete roads) 7. The sea turns black, killing many living things (oil spills) 8. Many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come to the tribal nations to learn our ways and wisdom (hippies) 9. A dwelling-place in the heavens, above the Earth, falls with a great crash, appearing as a blue star (future demise of a space station?).

These are the signs of impending great destruction, or 'columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts (above-ground atomic testing). Following the destruction, 'there will be much to rebuild.' And very soon afterward, The Great Spirit (known as Pahana or Massau) will return, bringing with him the dawn of the Fifth World.

Hopi Prophecy Rock

The famous Hopi Prophecy Rock clearly depicts two paths:

1. A 'two-hearted path,' with three individuals upon it. A two-hearted person is one who thinks with his head rather than his heart. Modern man is out of balance because he lives in a left-brain dominated society, leading to imbalance and conflict, and ultimately to the destruction of those on it. 2. A 'one-hearted path,' or one that is in balance and harmony with the universe.

The Prophecy Rock shows a junction where the two-hearted people have a choice of choosing to start thinking with their hearts or continue to think with their heads only. If they choose the latter, it will lead to self-destruction, symbolized by the lightning strike from a cloud. If people chose to think with their hearts, they will return to the one-hearted path and their own survival.

The Rock shows three half-circles that represent three world-shakings, as the Source strives to remind us of how we are all related. The first shaking occurs when man tosses bugs into the air (airplanes, first used in World War I). The second world-shaking occurs when man uses the Hopi migration symbol in war (swastika adopted by Hitler in World War II). The third shaking will be recognized by a red cover or cloak, which could point to Communist China. Hopi prophecy also says that signs of the third shaking will be:

1. The trees die (acid rain or destruction of the rainforest). 2. Man builds a house in the sky (space stations). 3. Cold places become hot, and hot places will become cold (climate change). 4. Lands sink into the ocean, and lands will rise out of the sea. 5. The Blue Star Kachina appears.

Only by undergoing the Hopi process of Purification can we set foot on the Return Path to the One-hearted Path, and just hope that we haven't gone past that point. Purification involves a number of elements:

Repentance, or rethinking, of the Two-headed Way of Life. This involves commitment, deep knowing that we are all One, acceptance of personal power to create change, and following our inner guidance. It is good to do this in groups, because it reminds us that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Also, as individuals, we are so rooted in our Two-hearted ways that we need others to help point them out to us. Once we as a group have identified and committed to a One-hearted vision, we can begin to live it, first within the group, then increasingly in the outer Two-hearted world. Then like-minded groups may join together to form 'villages,' ready for when the Two-hearted Path collapses in ruins.

Sovereignty, or self-respect, and respect for the sovereignty of others. It is also about taking responsibility for our creations and good stewardship for whatever is in our sphere of influence. For example, the Fifth World view of the planet is as a partner to be nurtured rather than as a resource to be consumed and discarded. Also, wealth and abundance will not be hoarded by those whose lands produce it, but will be shared equitably. Finally, any decision about stewardship will never be short-term but will consider the impact on future generations.

Truthfulness. Confusion over 'what should be' versus 'what is' separates us from the realities of life. We look for quick fixes, Hollywood endings and the latest fads rather than 'walking the talk' and 'doing the work.' One group may import 'what works' from another group and impose it on themselves, but disharmony may result. This leads to strife, conflict, and even war. Other cultures become too complex and collapse under their own weight, thrusting the people into anarchy until new ways are found. This is the inevitable outcome of the Two-hearted Path, and we are seeing its effects now as fewer and fewer Americans believe that government is 'by the people, for the people.' Our lives float between hope and fear, unrooted in 'what is.' From the moment of our birth, we are indoctrinated into membership of our culture, with prison or asylum awaiting dissenters. We leave school, trained to become 'another brick in the wall,' mindlessly perpetuating the Two-hearted Path. The Hopi language has no equivalent of, "I'm busy," or, "I'm sorry." Busy-ness and apology are not part of the One-hearted Path; and will not carry us through the collapse of the Fourth World and emergence into the Fifth.

We've already established that a significant shift is underway in consciousness in accepting weather and climate conditions. It is no longer a question of, "Are there 'Earth changes'?"

The only questions are: "How, what, when and where?" In other words, "What is it going to look like?" and to that we have no answers.

http://5thworld.com/Paradigm/Postings/!Expectations/Hopi%20Prophecy.htm

[Hervé]

[...]

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/earth-rhythms.html


Anyone can check to any one's satisfaction at the above site (Live Data Tab) that the fundamental Schumann resonance hasn't increased since last year.

To hell with disinfo!

Can I just ask...how do you know the information on this site isn't being skewed? I'm not trying to be a smart alec, but there is so much disinfo out there the question begs to be asked. Who monitors this data and can they be trusted? How do we know this site isn't being manipulated? Plus the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year. Thanks in advance.

From your comment I am forced to conclude that either you didn't read my post or you didn't understand it.

As to your doubts about the site, go visit it and make up your own mind after your own investigation.

[gooty64]

It has occurred to me in the past year or so that the only people that could save us now are the indigenous(Hope, Mayan, Cogi...).

And we are barely even listening at all.


The way of life which the Great Spirit has given to all its people of the world, whatever your original instructions are not being honored. It is because of this great sickness-called greed, which infects every land and country that simple people are losing what they have kept for thousands of years.

Now we are at the very end of our trail. Many people no longer recognize the true path of the Great Spirit. They have, in fact, no respect for the Great Spirit or for our precious Mother Earth, who gives us all life.

The world is completely out of control and likely beyond sustainability and repair.

The Earth has been gutted. We have gone too far. Purification seems inevitable to me.

And yet it is all OK somehow.

I am willing to join in to reverse the damage and wake up the collective consciousness.

I am also realizing that the river races forward and to go with the flow and not cling to the shore.

Thanks WhiteFeather, Peace.

[we-R-one]

[...]

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/earth-rhythms.html


Anyone can check to any one's satisfaction at the above site (Live Data Tab) that the fundamental Schumann resonance hasn't increased since last year.

To hell with disinfo!

Can I just ask...how do you know the information on this site isn't being skewed? I'm not trying to be a smart alec, but there is so much disinfo out there the question begs to be asked. Who monitors this data and can they be trusted? How do we know this site isn't being manipulated? Plus the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year. Thanks in advance.

From your comment I am forced to conclude that either you didn't read my post or you didn't understand it.

As to your doubts about the site, go visit it and make up your own mind after your own investigation.

Amzer Zo,

I read your quote that's why I'm asking and I think I have a legitimate question and that's ok if you can't answer it, but it's a question all of us should be asking when looking at scientific data. It poses quite a quandary when a lot of people are basing their beliefs off of data where they are assuming the source is giving accurate information.

This isn't my area of expertise, so I have no way of knowing whether this information is accurate or not and since you posted this data as fact that's why I'm asking you. So from your comment I think it might be safe to assume that you can't really guarantee the accuracy of this site, otherwise you would have explained in more depth. If I truly believe in something I would give examples as to why, or if I didn't know, I would just say so, but that's me.

I'm not trying to give you a bad time, but when you realize how many misconceptions are out there and how many lies have been told, it's hard to know who's telling the truth anymore, even in the scientific world, cause if you don't know anything about the topic, how do you even know what's being posted is accurate?

I suppose I could just be a drone and pretend I understand or bypass this thread all together.

[we-R-one]

I guess the important question would be: why would the measurements be manipulated? What is there to gain? Which ever way it is, raising or not, humans are in relation to the Schumann resonance and would be adjusting themselves to the raising of it. I do hope that you might consider the model I suggested earlier, namely that the resonance is not raising, but as there are already multiple frequencies present in Schumann resonance, 7.8 hz being the usual one that is referred to, the emphasis of the frequency might in theory be raising to the next level at about 13-14 herz or perhaps more likely humans might change to function more in tune with the 13-14hz level . In analogy a person can function through root chakra mainly, but may develope to function through say heart chakra. The root chakra won´t cease to exist nor does its frequency rise, the person is just changing the emphasis of his/her functioning - tuning into a different radio station, one might in analogy say.

UT

Thanks for your kind response. This is new information to me, so because I'm not a scientist or familiar with this topic, I cannot answer why someone would manipulate the data, but it does cross my mind often when people post scientific data. I explained more in my post to Amzer Zo.

[Mu2143]

By 2012, the Schumann Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth will be almost 13 cycles per second. For thousands of years, we have operated at 7.83 cycles per second. That means our human "clocks" which resonate with this are speeding up. This speeding up is part of the preparation for 2012.


This is completely pointless onless I can buy a "Schumann Resonance reading device at the shop and know how it works "

[...]



Not quite.

There is a site which records the daily variations of the Schumann Resonances and with that site's help, one can definitely demonstrate that the "increase of the Schumann Resonance" is a total, complete and full crock of sh*t!


Unless I am totally off the mark, in this case, the term "resonance" comes from an analogy to an electronic circuit which oscillates only at certain frequencies. It is on this property of such circuit that early radio transceivers were built.

[...]

Schumann Resonances:

Schumann resonances were named after the German physicist Winfried Schumann who first discovered them in 1952. Radiation from the sun ionizes part of the earth’s atmosphere and forms a conductive plasma layer, the ionosphere. The ionosphere surrounding our planet is positively charged relative to the earth’s surface, which carries a negative charge. This creates an electrical tension within the space between the earth and ionosphere. Every second, there are about 1000 lightening storms worldwide, which help to excite the Schumann resonances. Schumann resonances occur because the earth’s conductive surface and the lower boundary of the conductive ionosphere are separated by a cavity of nonconducting air that is acting as a wave-guide. The resonant frequencies of the earth-ionosphere cavity are in the ultralow frequency range (ULF) and extremely low frequency range (ELF). (See Figure 2)

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Figure 2.
Schumann resonances in earth-ionosphere cavity.

Now, checking on the daily graphs of the recorded Schumann resonant frequency, I don't see much "increase"... somebody is pulling legs... that's my guess.

18177 18178

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/earth-rhythms.html


Anyone can check to any one's satisfaction at the above site (Live Data Tab) that the fundamental Schumann resonance hasn't increased since last year.

To hell with disinfo!

I said everyone not just one source. Science is a religion too
unless you can get some supernatural confirmation. Then they can feed you anything you want to believe.

Update post-
BTW
I read the comments on my post and went to bed and aswered it wen I woke up I did not see the other replies on it =)

[ThePythonicCow]

I read your quote that's why I'm asking and I think I have a legitimate question and that's ok if you can't answer it, but it's a question all of us should be asking when looking at scientific data. It poses quite a quandary when a lot of people are basing their beliefs off of data where they are assuming the source is giving accurate information.

This isn't my area of expertise, so I have no way of knowing whether this information is accurate or not and since you posted this data as fact that's why I'm asking you. So from your comment I think it might be safe to assume that you can't really guarantee the accuracy of this site, otherwise you would have explained in more depth. If I truly believe in something I would give examples as to why, or if I didn't know, I would just say so, but that's me.

Yes, it is a problem. "Scientific" data is manipulated; "scientific" theories are manipulated; "science", "history", "physics", ... are manipulated. It is reasonable to ask, and it is beyond the abilities of any one of us to be expert in all of it, especially given how well so much is hidden or confused.

In this case, I agree with Ultima Thule and Amzer Zo. Reports of a rise in Schumann's resonance are bunk.

Schumann's resonance is a rather simple and basic property of two things: (1) the size of our planet, and (2) the speed of light. Low frequency radio waves bounce off the ionosphere and off the earth's surface. The low frequency radio waves from lightning don't go into space like radio waves in the visible light range (what we call light). Rather they bounce back and forth between the ionosphere and the earth's surface, going all the way around the earth and coming back on themselves. It can make this "trip around the world" about 7.5 times per second, given the size of earth and the speed of light. That is essentially what determines the frequency of Schumann's resonance. So long as earth stays about the same size, and light (radio waves) travel at about the same speed, there will be no significant change in the frequency of Schumann's resonance.

I had drafted some posts similar to Amzer Zo's, earlier today, but decided not to post them, as my frustrations, similar to his, were too evident in my words. Such use of pseudo-scientific bunkum to give credence to distracting nonsense is all too common. Most people, even many of the unusually well informed and educated people such as frequent this forum, lack the training and confidence in mathematics, physics and other sciences sufficient to sort through all the nonsense.

There is little we can do, but continue to ask questions, and explain as clearly as we're able.

[Mu2143]

I guess the important question would be: why would the measurements be manipulated? What is there to gain? Which ever way it is, raising or not, humans are in relation to the Schumann resonance and would be adjusting themselves to the raising of it. I do hope that you might consider the model I suggested earlier, namely that the resonance is not raising, but as there are already multiple frequencies present in Schumann resonance, 7.8 hz being the usual one that is referred to, the emphasis of the frequency might in theory be raising to the next level at about 13-14 herz or perhaps more likely humans might change to function more in tune with the 13-14hz level . In analogy a person can function through root chakra mainly, but may develope to function through say heart chakra. The root chakra won´t cease to exist nor does its frequency rise, the person is just changing the emphasis of his/her functioning - tuning into a different radio station, one might in analogy say.

UT

Simple it is by keeping us distracted ,because this earth is a spiritual school and they don't want you to progress spiritual. They just want you to think that your going to ascend

[AwakeInADream]

Schumann's resonance is a rather simple and basic property of two things: (1) the size of our planet, and (2) the speed of light. Low frequency radio waves bounce off the ionosphere and off the earth's surface. The low frequency radio waves from lightning don't go into space like radio waves in the visible light range (what we call light). Rather they bounce back and forth between the ionosphere and the earth's surface, going all the way around the earth and coming back on themselves. It can make this "trip around the world" about 7.5 times per second, given the size of earth and the speed of light. That is essentially what determines the frequency of Schumann's resonance. So long as earth stays about the same size, and light (radio waves) travel at about the same speed, there will be no significant change in the frequency of Schumann's resonance.

What is the true Schumann resonance? 7.8Hz?

I am very interested in sound and frequency. The harmonics given off by this frequency interest me. I believe(not know) that the Ancient Egyptian's used sound technology to build the pyramids, and I've always thought that 'The Ark of the Covenant' was some such device, especially when you think of the walls of Jericho. Invisible waves beginning at one source and physically moving another through resonance, it happens. Does this not make people curious? I love knowledge but have too little of it. Please feed me!!!

EDIT: I should add that 21/12/12 galactic centre and all that may well bring about a consciousness shift for the better. The Sun will beam it's energy straight through us right at the centre of the Galaxy, and we will suddenly know everything.....Or die....It's worth the risk..No?

The Sun shines this stuff on us all day. Light. What really is it? Is it consciousness? Is it information?

[Hervé]

[...]

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/earth-rhythms.html


Anyone can check to any one's satisfaction at the above site (Live Data Tab) that the fundamental Schumann resonance hasn't increased since last year.

To hell with disinfo!

[...]. Plus the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year. Thanks in advance.

From your comment I am forced to conclude that either you didn't read my post or you didn't understand it.

As to your doubts about the site, go visit it and make up your own mind after your own investigation.

Amzer Zo,

I read your quote that's why I'm asking and I think I have a legitimate question and that's ok if you can't answer it, but it's a question all of us should be asking when looking at scientific data. It poses quite a quandary when a lot of people are basing their beliefs off of data where they are assuming the source is giving accurate information.

This isn't my area of expertise, so I have no way of knowing whether this information is accurate or not and since you posted this data as fact that's why I'm asking you. So from your comment I think it might be safe to assume that you can't really guarantee the accuracy of this site, otherwise you would have explained in more depth. If I truly believe in something I would give examples as to why, or if I didn't know, I would just say so, but that's me.

I'm not trying to give you a bad time, but when you realize how many misconceptions are out there and how many lies have been told, it's hard to know who's telling the truth anymore, even in the scientific world, cause if you don't know anything about the topic, how do you even know what's being posted is accurate?

I suppose I could just be a drone and pretend I understand or bypass this thread all together.

Had you visited the site and checked the "Live data" tab as I specified, you would have seen the updates of the Schumann resonances up to Sept. 09, 2012 and wouldn't have written: "... the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year."

Hence my conclusion is staid.

Also, had you visited that site you would have found what their aims and goals are:


The Global Coherence Initiative is a science-based, co-creative project to unite people in heart-focused care and intention, to facilitate the shift in global consciousness from instability and discord to balance, cooperation and enduring peace.

This project has been launched by the Institute of HeartMath®, a nonprofit 501(c)(3), a recognized global leader in researching emotional physiology, heart-brain interactions and the physiology of optimal health and performance.

[...]
Earth Monitoring

The Global Coherence Initiative will include an important scientific measurement component. Advanced sensing technology, now being developed at the Institute of HeartMath, will allow us to observe changes in the earth’s magnetic field and test the hypothesis that the earth’s field is affected by mass human emotion, positive or negative. The Global Coherence Monitoring System (http://www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/about-system.html) (GCMS) will consist of approximately 14 sensors strategically located around the world. This system will enable a new level of scientific inquiry into the relationship between the earth’s magnetic field, collective human emotions and behaviors, and planetary changes.


The GCMS will allow us to test the hypotheses that:

Strong collective human emotions are reflected in the earth’s field.
Groups of people in heart coherence can affect the earth’s field.
Changes in the earth’s field predict earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and similar planetary scale events, in order to give people advance warning.
Our long-term goal is to correlate the following: coherence-level data collected from the GCI community with changes in the earth’s magnetic field, along with changes in various social, environmental and health outcomes.

[...]


From: http://www.glcoherence.org/about-us/about.html


Morever, they show what instrumentation they use, what data they are recording, etc. Basically, it's a mini HAARP Gakona [induction magnetometer] system which records magnetic fluctuations of the Earth magnetic field through induction coils.

According to their aims and goals, if there were a group inclined to "skew" the data towards an increase of the Schumann Resonances; it would be that one!

Well, they don't!

They just display the data they record. Data are data and, as such, are facts. What people do with these data is a matter of probity as to the ones assessing them and constitutes your point of contention.

I am not debating the latter since what you stated is a reverse of what you accuse "science" of doing: starting from a "belief" (no supporting data nor evidences) that the likes of Greg Braden (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349)) speak the "truth" about Schumann Resonances and, therefore, the other scientists are lying.

For the rest, I let you run with the balls of your insinuations as to what I may know or not know.

The only solution to the introduced conflict is to keep educating yourself.

[greybeard]

Regarding Schumann resonance.
Gregg Braden a scientist of some repute is saying the resonance has changed.
I posted his videos recently on Avalon and dont want to be a pain by posting yet gain.
So whom do you believe?
Non the wiser.
However there are plenty indications that something unusual is going on in the Universe.
One video I watched claimed the Mayan leaders told him (cant spell the name) personally that there is a time window, which we are half way through, when the change in consciousness will be complete and that the date at the end of this year most spoken of is the most unlikely time for this "event" to happen.
The event being that a profound change in human consciousness will occur over a 30 hour period--- then it will continue to evolve.
Who know for sure? Its all hypothetical but there are current changes in weather patterns and other things.

Chris

[Hervé]

Chris... when are you going to learn?

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349).

As I wrote above, the likes of Greg Braden proffer things without any supporting data nor evidences. Until he and his likes provide data and evidences whatever they proffer is science fiction.

[AwakeInADream]

A change in consciousness must be a slow process, too quick and it would lead to madness. I felt unusually happy today for no reason and for a brief moment I thought it had started. Maybe it has? I am by no means psychic but when I am at rest in silence I can hear many internal tones ringing. It is not tinnitus. I hear a low hum, and many high pitch sounds too(about six if I listen carefully). I feel intuitively that sound is something of importance, like we are in tune with the earth. I have read about the 'heart beat of the earth' of the ancients being 560Hz, and if you take the Schumann resonance of 7.8 up 6 octaves it is 500Hz a 'B' ish note, maybe it has lowered? I have also read about the so called frequency of love 528Hz which can be used for healing, I won't make up my mind about that just yet but I should tell you that 528Hz is an octave of 33Hz. 33 being the masonic number. Smells fishy....Personally I don't think the individual frequency matters at all, it is the distance in between the notes that make the music. As the Earth changes, I hope we change with it.

[Ultima Thule]

What is interesting to me re Schumann resonance is how the peaks in it appear to have almost the scale of golden ratio:
From wikipedia:
beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.86 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.[4]
Think about fibonacci scale and SR: 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 ...27.3 being the one that is not quite matched.

Food for thought...

UT

[Eric J (Viking)]

This is an interesting man...he talks about the changes that occur every 26000 years and we are at the moment we are about to witness...the sun will appear in the west... pole shift?...there will many changes in the solar system...big changes will happen...it has happened many times before...too may institutions think they know all the answers...many mistakes in the mayan education today...van daniken got it all wrong...memories are coming back...freud?...don't belive in terrorists like darwin...believe,create,do it...!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s_07-uVBR8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvuk6h_tYuU

viking

[Jayke]

Schumann's resonance is a rather simple and basic property of two things: (1) the size of our planet, and (2) the speed of light. Low frequency radio waves bounce off the ionosphere and off the earth's surface. The low frequency radio waves from lightning don't go into space like radio waves in the visible light range (what we call light). Rather they bounce back and forth between the ionosphere and the earth's surface, going all the way around the earth and coming back on themselves. It can make this "trip around the world" about 7.5 times per second, given the size of earth and the speed of light. That is essentially what determines the frequency of Schumann's resonance. So long as earth stays about the same size, and light (radio waves) travel at about the same speed, there will be no significant change in the frequency of Schumann's resonance.

I remember David Wilcock talking about the expanding earth theory, how continental drift is a sign that the earth is in a slow but constant state of expansion. If that theory is to be believed then based on the scientific basis of how the Schumann resonance is created then technically the resonance frequency would slowly be increasing all the time, although just in such slow and negligible fractions that it's imperceptible over the course of one human lifetime, unless of course any earth changes that do occur are due to Gaea going through a sudden growth spurt.

Also the ancients measured the speed of light at 144,000 miles per second and encoded harmonics of that number in lots of their ancient monuments. Speed of light as of today is I'm told measured at 186,282 miles per second. Is it possible that the speed of light changes as we move through different fields of space within the universe.

The only thing I know for sure is that everything is in a constant state of growth, that growth may take on the ebb and flow of two steps forward, one step back but growth is happening none the less.

Like the nobel prize winner Aleksey Filippenko said:

In the past couple of decades there has been a true revolution in our understanding of the universe. What we used to think of as being everything is actually only four percent of the pie, if you think of a pie with slices. Four per cent consists of normal stuff of which we are made. And so you can see that our view of the universe as scientists changes. And that is a strength of science. Scientists are not afraid to say that they used to be wrong. Their view of nature was incomplete. We love finding new things!

When we know so little about what's actually going on in the universe around us, I feel it's wise to keep an open mind to all possibilities

[greybeard]

Chris... when are you going to learn?

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349).

As I wrote above, the likes of Greg Braden proffer things without any supporting data nor evidences. Until he and his likes provide data and evidences whatever they proffer is science fiction.

Respectfully Gregg Braden quotes a lot of scientific research and the papers source.
Cant remember if he quotes reference for the resonance statements he has made though in fairness.
However I respectfully suggest that you view this video linked below.
I dont thing anyone gets it right all of the time as there is much information that is inaccurate.
I believe he believes what he says.
I dont believe anything as such but share what may be of interest and welcome correction that's how I lean---eventually.lol

Respectfully Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=551545&viewfull=1#post551545

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes I remember that as well Jayke...Bill also mentioned that he knew someone that had interesting information about the 'expansion earth theory'...It must have been about a year ago...he also said that he would get back with further info when available?? Bill ??

viking

[Hervé]

Chris... when are you going to learn?

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349).

As I wrote above, the likes of Greg Braden proffer things without any supporting data nor evidences. Until he and his likes provide data and evidences whatever they proffer is science fiction.

Respectfully Gregg Braden quotes a lot of scientific research and the papers source.
Cant remember if he quotes reference for the resonance statements he has made though in fairness.
However I respectfully suggest that you view this video linked below.
I dont thing anyone gets it right all of the time as there is much information that is inaccurate.
I believe he believes what he says.
I dont believe anything as such but share what may be of interest and welcome correction that's how I lean---eventually.lol

Respectfully Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=551545&viewfull=1#post551545

Chris, whatever he quotes as sources fail to match the graphs and links to current graphs I provided in my posts above... it's that simple: Gregg Braden is spinning a tall tale!

There are no arguments nor beliefs involved when confronting the data square in their face values: there is no increase of the Schumann Resonances occurring!

Respectfully, try to confront that in your meditations.

[AwakeInADream]

What is interesting to me re Schumann resonance is how the peaks in it appear to have almost the scale of golden ratio:
From wikipedia:
beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.86 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.[4]
Think about fibonacci scale and SR: 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 ...27.3 being the one that is not quite matched.

Food for thought...

UT

It is food for thought, the Fibonacci sequence is related to the golden ratio 1.618. 1,2,3,5,8,13,21. For instance 5 x 1.618 = 8.09 and likewise all the way up the scale. The only problem with relating it to the frequencies is that as you get higher up the octaves the small inaccuracies become larger. If you relate 7.86 to 8 then, (8x2=16...32...64...128) compared to (7.86x2=15.72...31.44...62.88...125.76). So its not that simple, but then the Fibonacci series doesn't fit 'perfectly' with the golden ration either, so you might have something..... Maybe it's the golden ratio that relates to the Schumann resonance, since the Fibonacci sequence is only a mathematical construct anyway, and the GR is more accurately worked out... We should measure a sunflower!

EDIT: Incidentally, just thinking about octaves and how doubling them increases the numbers in between them, and relating them to the said same octaves of our visual input of colour brought about a spiritual realization in me, not just that we can't percieve things outside of our frequency range, but also that we can't tell the difference between most of what is inside of our frequency range either. And how the sense of hearing is so drastically different from our sense of sight. Sight is more sensitive to minute changes, but hearing can spot that an octave is the same note(it knows when a number is doubled which sight does not, no other sense does this). Also complimentary colours go well together, but if you step the frequencies down, those same musical notes will not. Put all that into a moment of realization and you might understand how I felt that day.....To know the illusion but still not be free from it....Good and Bad...

[ThePythonicCow]

I remember David Wilcock talking about the expanding earth theory, how continental drift is a sign that the earth is in a slow but constant state of expansion. If that theory is to be believed then based on the scientific basis of how the Schumann resonance is created then technically the resonance frequency would slowly be increasing all the time

If the earth grows, wouldn't that decrease, not increase, Schumann's resonance? It would take longer for low frequency electromagnetic fields to go around the globe, so they would get around fewer times per second.

[ThePythonicCow]

Also the ancients measured the speed of light at 144,000 miles per second and encoded harmonics of that number in lots of their ancient monuments. Speed of light as of today is I'm told measured at 186,282 miles per second. Is it possible that the speed of light changes as we move through different fields of space within the universe.
When I try to search for statements that the speed of light is 144,000 miles per second, I find mention of Bruce Cathie's Grid (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mapas_ocultotierra/esp_mapa_ocultotierra_14.htm), in which a day has 27 hours and a second (called a "grid second") is 9/8's longer than the usual second of present day physics. I don't really understand what I'm reading, but I don't notice any evidence that light is speeding up from what little I've read so far of it.

[we-R-one]

Amzer Zo,

I read your quote that's why I'm asking and I think I have a legitimate question and that's ok if you can't answer it, but it's a question all of us should be asking when looking at scientific data. It poses quite a quandary when a lot of people are basing their beliefs off of data where they are assuming the source is giving accurate information.

This isn't my area of expertise, so I have no way of knowing whether this information is accurate or not and since you posted this data as fact that's why I'm asking you. So from your comment I think it might be safe to assume that you can't really guarantee the accuracy of this site, otherwise you would have explained in more depth. If I truly believe in something I would give examples as to why, or if I didn't know, I would just say so, but that's me.

I'm not trying to give you a bad time, but when you realize how many misconceptions are out there and how many lies have been told, it's hard to know who's telling the truth anymore, even in the scientific world, cause if you don't know anything about the topic, how do you even know what's being posted is accurate?

I suppose I could just be a drone and pretend I understand or bypass this thread all together.

Had you visited the site and checked the "Live data" tab as I specified, you would have seen the updates of the Schumann resonances up to Sept. 09, 2012 and wouldn't have written: "... the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year."

Hence my conclusion is staid.

Also, had you visited that site you would have found what their aims and goals are:


The Global Coherence Initiative is a science-based, co-creative project to unite people in heart-focused care and intention, to facilitate the shift in global consciousness from instability and discord to balance, cooperation and enduring peace.

This project has been launched by the Institute of HeartMath®, a nonprofit 501(c)(3), a recognized global leader in researching emotional physiology, heart-brain interactions and the physiology of optimal health and performance.

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/about-us/about.html


Morever, they show what instrumentation they use, what data they are recording, etc. Basically, it's a mini HAARP Gakona system which records magnetic fluctuations of the Earth magnetic field through induction coils.

According to their aims and goals, if there were a group inclined to "skew" the data towards an increase of the Schumann Resonances; it would be that one!

Well, they don't!

They just display the data they record. Data are data and, as such, are facts. What people do with these data is a matter of probity as to the ones assessing them and constitutes your point of contention.

I am not debating the latter since what you stated is a reverse of what you accuse "science" of doing: starting from a "belief" (no supporting data nor evidences) that the likes of Greg Braden (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349)) speak the "truth" about Schumann Resonances and, therefore, the other scientists are lying.

For the rest, I let you run with the balls of your insinuations as to what I may know or not know.

The only solution to the introduced conflict is to keep educating yourself.

I appreciate your response. You are wrong in assuming I did not go to the site. The problem is, because I don't have a scientific background I do not fully understand what I'm viewing, something that most people don't have the courage to admit. I am not going to pretend I fully understand this, hence my questions.

You are very defensive in your response. I'm trying to understand what you are posting. When you didn't completely respond to my question, I can only assume that you do not know the answer and as I said that's "ok". In the same manner you get frustrated with people not understanding all this scientific data you post, I get frustrated when posters ignore questions and can't admit there is some truth to what I'm posting because it gets in the way of their pride.

To someone who is new to this stuff, in my mind if we are comparing charts, it would have been helpful to put a side by side comparison of the Sept. 2011 chart next to Sept. 2012, so the average person could follow? You're assuming the reader understands everything your posting and how to interpret this data. I'd bet that the majority doesn't, and most likely will never admit. So if you want people to "get it" you have to understand your viewer and post accordingly.

Where you quoted the goals of the Institute of HeartMath above, sends alarm bells to my mind and justifies the very reason I should have concern with the data that comes out of this organization. Take a look at what I've underlined and bolded in black above.....

Any organization that enlists themselves as a non profit 501(c)(3), has not only the potential to receive government funding, but also the potential to be a mouthpiece for government indoctrination. And herein lies a forthcoming problem. It is equally possible that there's [I]no government influence and just because a company is listed as a 501(c)(3), doesn't necessarily mean that government funding is being received. But this is exactly what concerns me and it should concern anyone who lists scientific data as fact, you have to consider who's funding these organizations and how do you know the information they're giving is legitimate? The obvious answer is you can't, and that's my point. It's a sad fact and most people don't have the time to research all the in's and out's of the data being provided.

I'm so sorry I'm not at your level. I wasn't as fortunate to receive an education from the halls of science like yourself and I have to say, maybe that's not such a bad thing due to all the indoctrination that has taken place. The advantage is I don't have to unlearn anything, I can work from a fresh slate.....which means, I'm not going to believe everything that someone dishes out as fact. We have become products of an environment which consists of what I like to call, "pre-conceived misconceptions", a term I coined myself based on my own observations. I'd have to be a fool not to question sources knowing what I know now.

So let's be clear, I'm not saying that all scientists are lying, you are twisting my words. You have to assess each study on a case by case basis. I often see you post a lot of scientific data and I have to wonder how much research you do behind the data before you post it as fact..... or do you just take it at face value because someone is "telling" you the research is accurate. I am not making fun of you, because, seriously, who has the time to not only research the data, but also the funding behind it? It's a valid concern...

[we-R-one]

Chris... when are you going to learn?

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349).

As I wrote above, the likes of Greg Braden proffer things without any supporting data nor evidences. Until he and his likes provide data and evidences whatever they proffer is science fiction.




Chris... when are you going to learn?

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349).

As I wrote above, the likes of Greg Braden proffer things without any supporting data nor evidences. Until he and his likes provide data and evidences whatever they proffer is science fiction.

Respectfully Gregg Braden quotes a lot of scientific research and the papers source.
Cant remember if he quotes reference for the resonance statements he has made though in fairness.
However I respectfully suggest that you view this video linked below.
I dont thing anyone gets it right all of the time as there is much information that is inaccurate.
I believe he believes what he says.
I dont believe anything as such but share what may be of interest and welcome correction that's how I lean---eventually.lol

Respectfully Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=551545&viewfull=1#post551545

Chris, whatever he quotes as sources fail to match the graphs and links to current graphs I provided in my posts above... it's that simple: Gregg Braden is spinning a tall tale!

There are no arguments nor beliefs involved when confronting the data square in their face values: there is no increase of the Schumann Resonances occurring!

Respectfully, try to confront that in your meditations.


Oh, and one more thing...if Gregg Braden is so full of ****, then please explain to me why he's on the board of the very company you quoted as fact, "Global Coherence Initiative", in several of your posts on this thread?

http://www.glcoherence.org/about-us/advisory-boards.html

LMAO, LMAO.....ok, Amzer Zo.....you gotta give me this one, please??? Just this once? I did some homework and I took your advice to continue "educating myself."

:boink:

[Mu2143]

Amzer Zo,

I read your quote that's why I'm asking and I think I have a legitimate question and that's ok if you can't answer it, but it's a question all of us should be asking when looking at scientific data. It poses quite a quandary when a lot of people are basing their beliefs off of data where they are assuming the source is giving accurate information.

This isn't my area of expertise, so I have no way of knowing whether this information is accurate or not and since you posted this data as fact that's why I'm asking you. So from your comment I think it might be safe to assume that you can't really guarantee the accuracy of this site, otherwise you would have explained in more depth. If I truly believe in something I would give examples as to why, or if I didn't know, I would just say so, but that's me.

I'm not trying to give you a bad time, but when you realize how many misconceptions are out there and how many lies have been told, it's hard to know who's telling the truth anymore, even in the scientific world, cause if you don't know anything about the topic, how do you even know what's being posted is accurate?

I suppose I could just be a drone and pretend I understand or bypass this thread all together.

Had you visited the site and checked the "Live data" tab as I specified, you would have seen the updates of the Schumann resonances up to Sept. 09, 2012 and wouldn't have written: "... the calendar you posted is Sept. 2011 if I'm reading it correctly which is from last year."

Hence my conclusion is staid.

Also, had you visited that site you would have found what their aims and goals are:


The Global Coherence Initiative is a science-based, co-creative project to unite people in heart-focused care and intention, to facilitate the shift in global consciousness from instability and discord to balance, cooperation and enduring peace.

This project has been launched by the Institute of HeartMath®, a nonprofit 501(c)(3), a recognized global leader in researching emotional physiology, heart-brain interactions and the physiology of optimal health and performance.

From: http://www.glcoherence.org/about-us/about.html


Morever, they show what instrumentation they use, what data they are recording, etc. Basically, it's a mini HAARP Gakona system which records magnetic fluctuations of the Earth magnetic field through induction coils.

According to their aims and goals, if there were a group inclined to "skew" the data towards an increase of the Schumann Resonances; it would be that one!

Well, they don't!

They just display the data they record. Data are data and, as such, are facts. What people do with these data is a matter of probity as to the ones assessing them and constitutes your point of contention.

I am not debating the latter since what you stated is a reverse of what you accuse "science" of doing: starting from a "belief" (no supporting data nor evidences) that the likes of Greg Braden (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349)) speak the "truth" about Schumann Resonances and, therefore, the other scientists are lying.

For the rest, I let you run with the balls of your insinuations as to what I may know or not know.

The only solution to the introduced conflict is to keep educating yourself.

I appreciate your response. You are wrong in assuming I did not go to the site. The problem is, because I don't have a scientific background I do not fully understand what I'm viewing, something that most people don't have the courage to admit. I am not going to pretend I fully understand this, hence my questions.

You are very defensive in your response. I'm trying to understand what you are posting. When you didn't completely respond to my question, I can only assume that you do not know the answer and as I said that's "ok". In the same manner you get frustrated with people not understanding all this scientific data you post, I get frustrated when posters ignore questions and can't admit there is some truth to what I'm posting because it gets in the way of their pride.

To someone who is new to this stuff, in my mind if we are comparing charts, it would have been helpful to put a side by side comparison of the Sept. 2011 chart next to Sept. 2012, so the average person could follow? You're assuming the reader understands everything your posting and how to interpret this data. I'd bet that the majority doesn't, and most likely will never admit. So if you want people to "get it" you have to understand your viewer and post accordingly.

Where you quoted the goals of the Institute of HeartMath above, sends alarm bells to my mind and justifies the very reason I should have concern with the data that comes out of this organization. Take a look at what I've underlined and bolded in black above.....

Any organization that enlists themselves as a non profit 501(c)(3), has not only the potential to receive government funding, but also the potential to be a mouthpiece for government indoctrination. And herein lies a forthcoming problem. It is equally possible that there's [I]no government influence and just because a company is listed as a 501(c)(3), doesn't necessarily mean that government funding is being received. But this is exactly what concerns me and it should concern anyone who lists scientific data as fact, you have to consider who's funding these organizations and how do you know the information they're giving is legitimate? The obvious answer is you can't, and that's my point. It's a sad fact and most people don't have the time to research all the in's and out's of the data being provided.

I'm so sorry I'm not at your level. I wasn't as fortunate to receive an education from the halls of science like yourself and I have to say, maybe that's not such a bad thing due to all the indoctrination that has taken place. The advantage is I don't have to unlearn anything, I can work from a fresh slate.....which means, I'm not going to believe everything that someone dishes out as fact. We have become products of an environment which consists of what I like to call, "pre-conceived misconceptions", a term I coined myself based on my own observations. I'd have to be a fool not to question sources knowing what I know now.

So let's be clear, I'm not saying that all scientists are lying, you are twisting my words. You have to assess each study on a case by case basis. I often see you post a lot of scientific data and I have to wonder how much research you do behind the data before you post it as fact..... or do you just take it at face value because someone is "telling" you the research is accurate. I am not making fun of you, because, seriously, who has the time to not only research the data, but also the funding behind it? It's a valid concern...

Your right on, exactly what it is . Unless I build the equipment myself and know how it works I am left with beLIEving it or not. Since I have this knowing how the system works aka The matrix I don't have to look far away for the answer. Your keeping things simple and that is what people should do if they find something like this

Money runs the planet and it is in the hands of PTB.

If people would , just really wake up and see how deep the lie is and really start questioning everything they find your not going to get any better quality information here on the NET.

And a a nonprofit 501(c)(3) should be avoided with all cost I did not even go as far as clicking on the link to see what they where about. Good one that you saw this one.

So that people see it

[Hervé]

[...]

Oh, and one more thing...if Gregg Braden is so full of ****, then please explain to me why he's on the board of the very company you quoted as fact, "Global Coherence Initiative", in several of your posts on this thread?

http://www.glcoherence.org/about-us/advisory-boards.html

LMAO, LMAO.....ok, Amzer Zo.....you gotta give me this one, please??? Just this once? I did some homework and I took your advice to continue "educating myself."

:boink:

Point taken, and thank you for the link to the steering Committee of Global Coherence. Good job indeed!

I have no idea why he is on that committee on one hand and, on the other, completely dismisses their recorded data on the Schumann Resonances... in my view, this utterly demonstrates that he is indeed definitely full of it.

As I wrote earlier:


[...]

According to their aims and goals, if there were a group inclined to "skew" the data towards an increase of the Schumann Resonances; it would be that one!

Well, they don't!

[...]

[Jayke]

If the earth grows, wouldn't that decrease, not increase, Schumann's resonance? It would take longer for low frequency electromagnetic fields to go around the globe, so they would get around fewer times per second.

Good point, although Increase or decrease, I'm not defending the whole schumann resonance increase theory...Just pointing out that we don't live in a static universe and as such static conclusions only serve to limit our ever evolving understanding of the things around us.


When I try to search for statements that the speed of light is 144,000 miles per second, I find mention of Bruce Cathie's Grid, in which a day has 27 hours and a second (called a "grid second") is 9/8's longer than the usual second of present day physics. I don't really understand what I'm reading, but I don't notice any evidence that light is speeding up from what little I've read so far of it.

I didn't ask if the speed of light is increasing, Only if it's possible that the speed of light has the potential to vary as we move through changing fields of vibration throughout the universe? I'm just as clueless as the next person but the ancients definitely associated 144,000 with light and we now say the speed of light is 186,282 and since the ancients built monuments that are far more precise than anything we can accomplish with our modern tools of physics today I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't an error in the way they measured these things. It's not a question I can answer but where did the extra 42,282 miles per second come from?

I know the ancients used a nautical mile system but according to my calculator 144,000 nautical miles is still only 165,712 ordinary miles, so that's still a 20,570 difference.

to quote wikipedia:

in some controversial theories in cosmology, the speed of light also varies by changing the postulates of special relativity. However, this would require a rewrite of much of modern physics to replace the current system which depends on a constant c

I've long believed that the current system is definitely in desperate need of a rewrite :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I've long believed that the current system is definitely in desperate need of a rewrite :)
Yup :)

[lightpotential]

With regard to the sacrifices, these took place every 52 years with the Aztecs, and where based upon the science of conjunctions. A video documentary I did explains this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExD7HM-HVgY&list=UUeZmsTpAwomhVtgMAUgML-Q&index=9&feature=plcp

Keith

[Prodigal Son]

I remember David Wilcock talking about the expanding earth theory, how continental drift is a sign that the earth is in a slow but constant state of expansion. If that theory is to be believed then based on the scientific basis of how the Schumann resonance is created then technically the resonance frequency would slowly be increasing all the time

If the earth grows, wouldn't that decrease, not increase, Schumann's resonance? It would take longer for low frequency electromagnetic fields to go around the globe, so they would get around fewer times per second.

It depends on what is generating the Schumann frequency. If it's the sun and not the earth, it kinda changes everything.

We know that stars have "lives" where they are born and grow and evolve and intensify and eventually die. Our sun is no exception. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the sun itself is continually "creating" the system of planets and moons that revolve around it. In other words, the sun itself is generating our reality every second of every day, while human consciousness interacts with that reality and molds it according to its own thought forms and patterns. The sun supplies the canvas and paint, and we paint the picture.

Taking it a step further, it appears that the entire cosmos is interconnected, with the stars being hooked up in series like Christmas lights. If one goes out, they all do. Many different things that I have read point to the Sirius star system as the supplier of energy for our sun. Of course the whole galaxy would not be in series, but each particular "arm" of the Milky Way would have its own circuitry all supplied by the central sun or black hole, making the galaxy one big giant sentient being ;)

That being said, getting back to the expanding earth theory, in my mind it's been a bit more than a theory since coming across this video by Neal Adams about six years ago....

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Towards the tail end of that video Neal shows how the same effect is happening on Mars, but in his website he demonstrates how this is most likely happening across the entire solar system, presenting evidence from our own moon and Ganymede....

http://www.nealadams.com/index.php/science/read-watch-learn

So it appears that as the sun intensifies and expands in both size and energy, so do all the heavenly bodies that are in its jurisdiction. David Wilcock and others have described the whole thing as a giant interlocking mechanism that works by electromagnetic interaction in the same fashion as the meshing gears of an intricate Swiss clock.

No wonder we are so very much affected and influenced by the heavenly bodies....

[Sith73]

I'm sure most of you have heard the term "the Gods" well in ancient times most races around the world worshiped the Gods. When you look at those words it really depends on who your Gods were. Well for the Mayans they worshiped and sacrificed to their "Gods" in blood. The Aztecs & Mayans worshiped reptilians as their Gods. There many different reptilian races throughout the universe. Some very good and others very bad. Races such as the Draco, Hydra, Orion & Sirius B are the main ones for starters. The Draconian 's have been on this world for a very long time. the Hydra and renegade zeta reticulation greys have been here working with the Dracos. Their manipulation and control over our world has been in play for a very long time. The Draconian 's see us nothing more as food, a resource to service them. Generating fear,death and wars is their way. Living in a fear based 3rd dimensional reality our world has been molded to service the reptilians. When the Atlantians were on planet they fought the reptilians until a truce was made. Both races created a new hybridization race with 50% reptilian genetics and the other 50% mammalian DNA or in other words Atlantis genetics. This new breed eventually branched off to about 12 to 13 families who now control the world. Everyone on planet has a percentage of reptilian genetics in them plus about 22 to 23 other races. Of course the majority of that genetic material is dormant and has been called junk DNA.

As we move through 2012 and into 2013 we are all changing, our cells are changing, vibrating faster to become more crystalline in nature. We are all moving to become middle 4th dimensional humans and some of us early 5th. Exciting times as the energies change so does mother earth. Earth changes are necessary ,but believe me there is a lot of help in our region of space to help us survive the changes and drive out the bad reptilians and their buddy's from our planet. Dec 2012 our world will not end.

Most of you are awake others are not. That's OK. Help each other in anyway you can. Learn how to grow a garden, stop watchen TV, get in nature. Get in tune of what you really are. Look inside yourself' s for the answers. We will all remember many things of like where we came from soon

In closing love each other as we are one race of beautiful people. Its an honor to be on this planet with all of you.

Sith

[we-R-one]

Point taken, and thank you for the link to the steering Committee of Global Coherence. Good job indeed!

I have no idea why he is on that committee on one hand and, on the other, completely dismisses their recorded data on the Schumann Resonances... in my view, this utterly demonstrates that he is indeed definitely full of it.

As I wrote earlier:


[...]

According to their aims and goals, if there were a group inclined to "skew" the data towards an increase of the Schumann Resonances; it would be that one!

Well, they don't!

[...]

Thank you for being honorable to at least acknowledge my post.

Seriously, getting back to the real problem....now I don't know what to think. I have always appreciated Braden's work, but I'm no scientist......what I like is he explains things in a manner in which I can understand, until you open his book lol.....so over my head at times....

Let me ask you, why do you say he dismisses the Schumann Resonances? Is it because he often discusses about the frequencies rising/magnetics dropping and that does not coincide with the readings of the Schumann Resonances? I just want to understand your perception.

Where could the possible misinformation be coming from? I just find it hard to believe that he's on the Steering Committee if his work doesn't resonate. Surely there must be someone we can ask within the field. It could just be a matter of misrepresentation of facts. Since I like Braden I have to tell you it put my mind at ease to see him affiliated with GCI along with Lynne Taggart, who I don't know much about, but have heard lots of good things. In fact a friend just shared her paperwork with me from her Quantum Physics group that had some excerpts from some of Taggart's books.

So something isn't right here...it seems more like a case of miscommunication/misunderstanding. Anybody??

[Hervé]

[...]

Let me ask you, why do you say he dismisses the Schumann Resonances? Is it because he often discusses about the frequencies rising/magnetics dropping and that does not coincide with the readings of the Schumann Resonances? I just want to understand your perception.

[...]

All I know and all I can say is that Gregg Braden has been preaching that the Schuman Resonance has been rising. Yet when one checks the Schumann Resonances' graph on that site one can't help but see that the fudamental resonance has been and remains steady at 7.8 Hz and therefore the same for the upper harmonics. Accordingly, the guy keeps on going with his preaching in spite of the blatant contradictory data.

That means he is in total disagreement with the recorded data and dismisses the latter to just keep going with his hobby horse. I am thankful to the crew in charge of the data acquisition for not being swayed by someone's idea of what "should be."

The main way to change the resonance is to change the thickness of the insulator between the ionosphere and earth's suface, i.e. the thickness of the air cover. This can be achieved locally by generating a bubble in the ionosphere via a HAARP beam but even that would be buffered at the planet scale.

The other way that insulator thickness can be changed would be because of a general weakening/strengthening of the earth's magnetic field which would generate an overall variation of the ionosphere altitude. That's what the Global Coherence project is measuring: the earth's magnetic field fluctuations and attempting to correlate those with the statistical behavior of populations.

[araucaria]

I seem to remember the 144/speed of light connection being in terms of degrees, using a base 666 instead of 360. A wave circling the globe at light speed, the Schuman resonance, will advance by 14.43 of these degrees per second, or by 144° every ten seconds. That’s the best I can do I’m afraid.

My main point however is on the possibility and desirability of a shift in the Schuman resonance. This is just a label for a particular frequency which people operate at along with many other frequencies, and which coincides with revs per sec at current light speed round a current sized earth. The interesting thing is what occurs at that frequency.

Summarizing, Braden says this:

For several thousand years, Earth has been functioning at a base resonant frequency of approximately eight cycles per second (7.8 Hz). In the study of human brain waves, this correlates to a deeply relaxed state of awareness. Earth has essentially been “asleep”. As predicted by the Fibonacci series, Earth appears to be moving toward a fundamental vibration of approximately 13 cycles per second, correlating to a waking state of the brain’s functioning. (Awakening to Zero Point, p.96. There is one major imprecision here: the most we can say is that Earth has essentially been “asleep” with respect to human brain waves. With respect to Earth brain waves, Earth has likely been highly alert - aware. In other words, she needs no waking.

Planetary awakening is far too much for us to deal with. The best we can hope to do is on a personal level and on a human group level, which is the level on which Dr Valerie Hunt works. I shall quote from her Infinite Mind: Science of the Human Vibrations of Consciousness (2nd ed. 1996).


an experimental physicist, Bob Beck, believed that the mystical state of psychics and clairvoyants while they were at work somehow related to the brain waves. He developed sensitive instruments that he used to record the brain waves of proven mystics. When he processed these data, he found that their brain waves during their mystical work were 7.8 cycles per second, plus or minus 1/100th of a cycle. This particular frequency reminded him of the research about the Shumann (sic) resonance.

Shumann, a German living in the early 1930s, discovered a magnetic field that thrust upward from the earth rather than downward, as does the gravitational field. Beck reckoned that the great “hot spots”, the historical power areas of the world such as Stonehenge, the pyramids, Delphi, and others, probably had strong Shumann-type vibrations. Many people have had unusually profound experiences at these locations, which are revered as reservoirs of great truths. Mystics have attested to an increased power source radiating from the ground at these power spots. Shumann recorded this resonance as between seven and eight cycles per second. Beck found it to be 7.8 cycles within on-five-hundredth of a cycle, exactly the frequency he recorded from the brain waves of mystics. (p.63-4) According to Hunt, healers also plug into this frequency. In which case, it sounds like we don’t want anyone messing around with the Shumann resonance :) This very low frequency provides the grounding we need, because:

Expanded consciousness encompasses a complete spectrum of vibrations with grounding in the lower frequencies combined with great power in the higher ones. Here any level of reality one desires is available. (p.112) The difference between a concert grand and an upright piano is both the power of the high notes and the power of the bass notes, played on much longer strings. In other words, it works both ways, we need the lower vibrations as well:

The brain wave will drift into alpha, an idling state, and free the mind to soar. Some people use self-hypnosis ritually to calm the brain-talk so that the mind-field can think. And, as the mind-field is activated, telepathic knowing escalates, bringing in rich, unknown information from other fields. (p.157) Grounding is absolutely crucial, because:

Cosmic awareness with a completely extended reality is rare. Pseudo-cosmic awareness is legion with ungrounded people. Cosmic awareness always is devoid of personal reference with a field so expanded, so large, that it literally flows into the universe. (p.118) Beware of ungrounded consciousness, for:

Coma, believed to be a state of prolonged unconsciousness, is actually a state of high, ungrounded consciousness (p.119) In other words, some people are asleep, while many who seek to be awake and aware are, with respect to the outside world,... completely comatose. “Earth is asleep” – yes, and we should do likewise :)

[RMorgan]

This whole thing is pretty funny in my opinion.

Thousands and thousands pages of discussions and mountains of speculations that will most probably lead to another deception.

All of this because of a calendar made by people who used to do barbaric human sacrifices and obviously couldn´t predict their own future.

It is just a calendar, but people found a way to use stupid logic to link it with DNA mutation, dimensional ascension and all sorts of completely flawed theories.

I know it´s very childish to say "I told you so". I´ve been in this position countless times here in this forum, but I never actually said it out loud.

However, when 2013 begins and nothing abnormal happens, I think I wont be able to control my inner child and I´ll make a brand new thread in bold capital letters, titled "I TOLD YOU SO". :)

It´s just a calender folks; nothing else.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Billy]

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Peace

[araucaria]

This whole thing is pretty funny in my opinion.

Thousands and thousands pages of discussions and mountains of speculations that will most probably lead to another deception.

All of this because of a calendar made by people who used to do barbaric human sacrifices and obviously couldn´t predict their own future.

It is just a calendar, but people found a way to use stupid logic to link it with DNA mutation, dimensional ascension and all sorts of completely flawed theories.

I know it´s very childish to say "I told you so". I´ve been in this position countless times here in this forum, but I never actually said it out loud.

However, when 2013 begins and nothing abnormal happens, I think I wont be able to control my inner child and I´ll make a brand new thread in bold capital letters, titled "I TOLD YOU SO". :)

It´s just a calender folks; nothing else.

Cheers,

Raf.

Yes Raf, It would be childish if you said so in 2013, but to say so now is much more interesting :)

It is just a calendar, but what a calendar does is mark a before and an after. You mark on it that dreaded appointment with the doctor, and after he has told you there is nothing to worry about you feel much better.

People will be so much more relaxed in 2013 I'm sure you won't want to tell them I told you so

[Rantaak]

Despite the dissenting beliefs of many others who gather here, these predictions are in accordance to what I have been shown in the second attention, as well as the knowledge that I have held in my heart for many many lifetimes between now and pre-atlantis.

Thank you, viking. Let's all get off our butts and make this happen.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Despite the dissenting beliefs of many others who gather here, these predictions are in accordance to what I have been shown in the second attention, as well as the knowledge that I have held in my heart for many many lifetimes between now and pre-atlantis.

Thank you, viking. Let's all get off our butts and make this happen.

It's good to see that I am not the only one that has this inner knowing of what will be very soon...good call Rantaak...you are not alone. And many here feel the same.

viking

[greybeard]

Chris... when are you going to learn?

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445329&viewfull=1#post445329)and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41985-The-BIG-Picture&p=445349&viewfull=1#post445349).

As I wrote above, the likes of Greg Braden proffer things without any supporting data nor evidences. Until he and his likes provide data and evidences whatever they proffer is science fiction.

Hi Amer Zo
I enquired to the site that Gregg Braden is associated with and have permission to paste the reply.
The videos I quoted from are some years old.
He obviously now does not state the resonance is rising, that, as you kindly pointed out is not so.
However he acted in good faith as I did.
Gregg does an enormous amount of good work.
Regards Chris



"Hi Chris,



I know Gregg well and also have the upmost respect for him. I know that he has talked about the Schumann resonance frequency rising in the past. I asked him what the source for this was and he told me it was a Russian group that had said the second harmonic was increasing in intensity, not frequency. I suggested he stop talking about this as it is not true from what we see. The Schumann resonance frequencies have not changed since they were first measured in the early 60s although there is a ½ Hz variation between day and night. There are clearly changes in the intensities of the resonances – they go on all the time – up and down, and we are starting to see a long-term correlation with the solar cycle which is 10.5 to 11 years, which makes sense – so I can see how the Russian source may have observed a steady increase in the intensity without realizing it is related to a longer cycle and would modulate down again.



Hope this helps



Rollin"





Rollin McCraty, Ph.D.

Director of Research



HeartMath Research Center

[ThePythonicCow]

I know Gregg well and also have the upmost respect for him. I know that he has talked about the Schumann resonance frequency rising in the past. I asked him what the source for this was and he told me it was a Russian group that had said the second harmonic was increasing in intensity, not frequency. I suggested he stop talking about this as it is not true from what we see. The Schumann resonance frequencies have not changed since they were first measured in the early 60s although there is a ½ Hz variation between day and night. There are clearly changes in the intensities of the resonances – they go on all the time – up and down, and we are starting to see a long-term correlation with the solar cycle which is 10.5 to 11 years, which makes sense – so I can see how the Russian source may have observed a steady increase in the intensity without realizing it is related to a longer cycle and would modulate down again.
That makes more sense, Chris. Thanks!

[we-R-one]

Hi Amer Zo
I enquired to the site that Gregg Braden is associated with and have permission to paste the reply.
The videos I quoted from are some years old.
He obviously now does not state the resonance is rising, that, as you kindly pointed out is not so.
However he acted in good faith as I did.
Gregg does an enormous amount of good work.
Regards Chris



"Hi Chris,

I know Gregg well and also have the upmost respect for him. I know that he has talked about the Schumann resonance frequency rising in the past. I asked him what the source for this was and he told me it was a Russian group that had said the second harmonic was increasing in intensity, not frequency. I suggested he stop talking about this as it is not true from what we see. The Schumann resonance frequencies have not changed since they were first measured in the early 60s although there is a ½ Hz variation between day and night. There are clearly changes in the intensities of the resonances – they go on all the time – up and down, and we are starting to see a long-term correlation with the solar cycle which is 10.5 to 11 years, which makes sense – so I can see how the Russian source may have observed a steady increase in the intensity without realizing it is related to a longer cycle and would modulate down again.

Hope this helps

Rollin"

Rollin McCraty, Ph.D.

Director of Research

HeartMath Research Center


So glad you did that! I was actually going to email and ask later this afternoon. I came across the same information as I was doing some startpage searches. Gregg was getting his information from Russian scientists. He also mentioned Professor Bannerjee of the University of New Mexico and that would be another contact we could approach. I also pulled up a search of Gregg Braden videos with schuman resonance and all I found were outdated videos back to 2009, I could not find anything current. I noticed in one of them that he never said schuman resonance, but referred to it as the "heart beat of the planet"- I assumed he meant schuman resonance.

I suppose this now negates his theory that the magnetics are dropping? Though it is my understanding that solar flares do cause the magnetic field to weaken, so I guess we can have weakend magnetic field and no frequency increase? What about the surge of energy approaching from the center of the galaxy that's tied in to all of this?

Regardless, I still thing Braden is good at what he does. He's not perfect, none of us are and I do not find his actions to be malicious and I do think it's unfair that he gets labeled in such a negative manner. Everyone is trying to understand what is happening and mistakes, misinterpretations, etc, will continue.

Let me ask this question...so typically my understanding was that an external force would be what was needed to change the magnetics of the planet....but what about the reverse? If our hearts and minds are tied to the frequencies of earth, can the change not be created from within? Can we as people, be the internal force who increase the frequency by our thoughts and emotions on a grand scale? Could the reverse be true?

[Hervé]

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I know Gregg well and also have the upmost respect for him. I know that he has talked about the Schumann resonance frequency rising in the past. I asked him what the source for this was and he told me it was a Russian group that had said the second harmonic was increasing in intensity, not frequency. I suggested he stop talking about this as it is not true from what we see. The Schumann resonance frequencies have not changed since they were first measured in the early 60s although there is a ½ Hz variation between day and night. There are clearly changes in the intensities of the resonances – they go on all the time – up and down, and we are starting to see a long-term correlation with the solar cycle which is 10.5 to 11 years, which makes sense – so I can see how the Russian source may have observed a steady increase in the intensity without realizing it is related to a longer cycle and would modulate down again.

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Thanks for your initiative chris, seems you are becoming a fast learner :) .

I am glad McCraty managed to convince Braden with the actual data.

That puts another fictional myth to rest!

[we-R-one]

Thanks for your initiative chris, seems you are becoming a fast learner :) .

I am glad McCraty managed to convince Braden with the actual data.

That puts another fictional myth to rest!

Additionally, I hope you will still take into consideration that Gregg Braden is on the steering committee of GCI, and if he was such a clown, that could in your mind and maybe others who don't like Braden, negate this organization which you're touting to be in "the know" and proponents of true scientific facts. Since you probably aren't going to do that, and neither am I, I hope you recognize and consider that Braden does know what he's talking about, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position that he is with GCI. Wouldn't you agree? C'mon, be fair..... :yes4:

It still has to be noted that they are a 501(c)(3) and any time government funding comes into play- may it serve as a warning flag to possible underlying problems with the data that is distributed because of this funding.

Government funding often means there are strings attached, which is quite evident if you look at the financial conditions of various cities and counties that are forced to accept unwanted government policies all for the sake of receiving this so called funding to keep their heads afloat.

[we-R-one]

6. - Everybody on this planet is mutating. Some are more conscious of it than others. But everyone is doing it.

We NEED NO WORDS to communicate & understand exactly what our "pets" have to tell us...& IF we were not "taught" that it is impossible to do, or just "freaky" if you can...We already know each others’ thoughts too ! We energetically ARE able to experience and “feel” other people’s energy. You do this EVERY DAY already,...it is just that you have been "educated" not to TRUST this "feeling", because "it" cannot be "verified" by any rational equation !!!!

Are YOU starting to understand the Pattern here that we are "subjected" to ??

I have to laugh Viking as I was trying to remember where I had read this as I wanted to comment...I assumed the thread was long gone, and then by chance I went back to your first page and found what I was looking for....easy to go off topic with so many factors involved that seem to be intimately intertwined with one another.

I can verify that #6 is happening. For quite some time I have often "felt" what some animals are saying to me. I work with animals as one of my jobs so I'm around them quite a bit. I don't know why some of their thoughts "come" to me more than others.

I'm also beginning to experience this with people on a more frequent basis. I can walk by people and "feel" their thoughts. Most of the time I brush it off, but I'm noticing that my subconscious is beginning to bring it forward more strongly. The most recent occurrence happened a few days ago when I was driving. There was a black car driving behind me with a couple in it.......I believe I must have picked up on the conversation they were having in the car, as I gathered they were on their way to the movies...it's as if I could "feel" what they were saying. It would be easy to blow off this experience as how could one prove the fact unless the couple was asked, but in this instance it just so happened that I was going in the same direction as their car and was able to verify that, in fact, they drove into the parking lot of the movie theater. I had to make a u-turn in the same parking lot as I was looking for a business and had passed it, so I saw them get out of their car and walk toward the theater.

I picked up on their conversation about 3 miles away when I noticed they were behind me, so there was no underlying indication that would have cued me to their potential destination. Thought you would find this interesting........I am noticing this ability, more and more, but often don't get to verify what I'm experiencing as I did that day; because the only way would be to either follow people or walk up to them and ask.

I have had the ability to work/read energy since I was a little girl, but I can tell my abilities are getting stronger and are becoming more noticeable.

[Hervé]

[...] I hope you recognize and consider that Braden does know what he's talking about, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position that he is with GCI. Wouldn't you agree? C'mon, be fair..... :yes4:

[...]

To be fair, you forgot that part:


I know that he has talked about the Schumann resonance frequency rising in the past. [...] I suggested he stop talking about this as it is not true from what we see.

Which means someone in that organisation had to take him aside and confront him with the actual data so that he quits pumping out hot gases.

Agreed on your red flags. Also worth mentioning is that Gegg Braden worked for Martin Marietta Defense Systems.

[we-R-one]

No, I did not forget that part Amzer Zo. The guy isn't perfect, and you are holding a grudge based on comments he made from what I can see were several years ago...let it go. If we condemned every person for making an error of judgment in their work, we'd never get anywhere. I'm not expecting you to start a Gregg Braden fan club, I'm just asking you to be fair in your considerations. How would you liked to be judged for your mistakes and to loose all your credibility based on a disagreement of interpretation? Do you really think it would be right to discard all of that persons work?

Gregg Braden is on that committee for a reason and it's not because he's an idiot.

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oh, and by the way, I thank you for teaching more about the Schuman Resonance, my consciousness is learning to take more in thanks to your efforts!

[Hervé]

The rise in my irritability level is in fact due to people keeping bringing that point up because the GREAT Gregg Braden said that the Schumann... yada-yada... in spite of having been shown the data again and again. These people would rather believe than looking at the data.

That's all I am gona say on that subject.

[we-R-one]

aaah, I understand. When I first looked at your explanation I had no idea what to do with the information, it has taken me a while to absorb and learn as I do not consider myself to be scientifically wired as you are. I suspect that many others are having the same difficulty. Because I do not operate in this field for my daily paycheck, I am somewhat forced to rely on people who are suppose to know what the hey is going on. This is what you're up against and when fraud enters into the system, it makes things even more difficult to wade through. It shouldn't be this hard to get information, but alas, welcome to living in the world of duality.

And though at times I may ask stupid and obvious questions, I truly want to understand.....as I read more about Schuman Resonance(a term I was not familiar with as I missed Gregg eluding to this exact phrase), I had to laugh at one of my previous questions as even in the short time that I took the time to read the GCI website, I realized that my initial question might have sounded silly to someone in "the know".

so hey, think of it this way, you now just educated two Gregg Braden fans, lol

[greybeard]

David Sereda talks about the effects of Sun energy on DNA and twenty twelve Mayan predictions.
I have no way of validating what he says so Im posting in good faith.
Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6No8HIzXRlA

[Ultima Thule]

Thanks Chris!
Very interesting, sounds very much like my insight of the second harmonic frequency would be somewhat on the right lines, which I referred to in post #42: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49597-One-interpretation-of-what-the-Mayans-said-will-happen-in-2012&p=551663&viewfull=1#post551663

At first reading of the reply you got, I wasn´t quite sure though whether which one the second harmonic is, but with a search about what are the harmonics of Schumann resonance one gets for example:
https://www.recordunion.com/Music/Album/9421
where it is stated that the second harmonic is at around 14 hz. I know that is just a musical record and as such not a very scientific source, but still I am very intrigued about the reply you got as that - to me anyway - fits in perfectly with the logic of how things should be.

UT
ps. Chris, did I already say thank you?!

[Mu2143]

Thanks for your initiative chris, seems you are becoming a fast learner :) .

I am glad McCraty managed to convince Braden with the actual data.

That puts another fictional myth to rest!

Additionally, I hope you will still take into consideration that Gregg Braden is on the steering committee of GCI, and if he was such a clown, that could in your mind and maybe others who don't like Braden, negate this organization which you're touting to be in "the know" and proponents of true scientific facts. Since you probably aren't going to do that, and neither am I, I hope you recognize and consider that Braden does know what he's talking about, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position that he is with GCI. Wouldn't you agree? C'mon, be fair..... :yes4:

It still has to be noted that they are a 501(c)(3) and any time government funding comes into play- may it serve as a warning flag to possible underlying problems with the data that is distributed because of this funding.

Government funding often means there are strings attached, which is quite evident if you look at the financial conditions of various cities and counties that are forced to accept unwanted government policies all for the sake of receiving this so called funding to keep their heads afloat.

The name of the game is control and this is done on a spiritual level as well. Satan sees this and will make sure it will get the money it needs do his bidding
And I have seen Satan in the spiritual realm and he is a head size bigger then me ,must be that is why I see it ? I was in my true form or full form , not this lower self.

[Mu2143]

O BTW Alex Collier who talked about what will happen to the Schumann resonance and he said it will "Go way HIGH UP". Not to 13 thats way to low.

And BTW 13 is a number the PTB uses and they promote the New Age stuff

[Mandala]

Amzer Zo is our resident science guy. This is not my forte at all, but the article was interesting.

http://www.sound-physics.com/


There has been some confusion about the Schumann Resonance. A lot of people are saying that it is gradually increasing. Here's some information that will hopefully make things clear and lead to a better understanding of the phenomenon.
What is the Schumann Resonance?

Sound can "re-sound" or resonate when the source waves are added constructively to the sound bouncing back and forth inside a resonant chamber. In other words, when we are in an acoustically active environment, one with a high degree of "echo," we can amplify the sound by making more sound that constructively adds to the echo. (Read more about sound resonance.)

In the simplest terms, the Schumann Resonance is the resonance of low frequency electromagnetic waves bouncing around in the earth, with the earth being the active "resonant chamber."
Let Us Explain...
The Schumann Resonance is the resonance of low frequency electromagnetic waves bouncing around in the earth, with the earth being the active resonant chamber.

The earth is surrounded by a layer of charged particles called the ionosphere. This layer of active charged particles is able to reflect low frequency electromagnetic radiation in a similar way as that of a mirror which is able to reflect light. Electromagnetic radiation is like radio waves or light. It travels at close to the speed of light, 300,000,000 m/s.

The ionosphere's property of reflecting radio waves is what enables you to tune in to radio stations around the world. If the ionosphere did not reflect radio waves as it doesn't reflect light, we would not be able to tune in a distant radio station because the signal would have gone out into space. This is exactly what happens with high frequency electromagnetic radiation like light. It is what allows us to see stars "through" the ionosphere.

The earth's surface is also conductive and, therefore, also reflects low frequency radiation. It is in this way that radio station signals from around the world reflect back and forth between the ionosphere and the surface.

So, both the earth's surface and the ionosphere are conductive surfaces able to reflect low frequency electromagnetic radiation. Together they create a resonant cavity. This cavity then is what makes the earth into a "resonant chamber" for electromagnetic radiation.

The earth is approximately 6,371 km in diameter or 40,030 km in circumference. An electromagnetic or radio signal travels at close to the speed of light. It, therefore, takes close to 0.1334 seconds to travel around the earth. This time would correlate with about 7.49 Hz. Notice that this is less than the 7.83 Hz that is commonly quoted. If you take into account that the ionosphere is approximately 300 km up and adjust the radius by 150 km, the calculation results in a round trip taking 0.136 seconds, which correlates to a frequency of approximately 7.32 Hz.

The 7.83 Hz is not an exact, specific frequency, but the "average" peak frequency of the resonance. It is necessary to average the Schumann frequencies over long periods of time, since the resonant peak is not particularly distinct and it changes with environmental conditions. This is the reason there are many stations like the one at Stanford that measures the frequency daily.

It is also interesting to note that 7.83 isn't the only resonant frequency. Other "harmonic" frequencies are also resonant, including approximately 14, 20, 26, 32, 37, and 42 Hz etc.
So, is the Schumann Resonance rising?

We don't know, but it makes sense that it could be if the first harmonic at 14 Hz started to resonate, for whatever reason, more strongly than the fundamental.

Amzer. need your feedback on this.

[PathWalker]

The rise in my irritability level is in fact due to people keeping bringing that point up because the GREAT Gregg Braden said that the Schumann... yada-yada... in spite of having been shown the data again and again. These people would rather believe than looking at the data.

That's all I am gona say on that subject.

I understand your point.
I also understand that this scientific discussion is pointless for these reasons:
1. The participants do not understand the underlying physics principles.
2. Physics principals as we know it now are a holly theory we are not allowed to question (such as isotropic universe).
3. Physics is about objective measurement, ascension is about personal experience/evolution (my personal view).
4. Most if not all the "objective" data are rigged and controlled by TPB. Anyone to question these data sets is a dangerous act of career suicide.

I suggest anyone interested in these subject evaluate this information with their subjective inner knowing, filter out desire (wishful thinking), filter out fear.
There are many techniques to achieve the above. The bottom line is reaching to your inner authority.
We are programmed to seek external authority (science, religion, government...).

Evolution is about taking back control of our self programming.

[Hervé]

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Amzer. need your feedback on this.

Mostly correct.

see the answer to Chris (post # 96 above ) as to the fluctuations in intensity of the 14 Hz harmonic.

[Hervé]

I also understand that this scientific discussion is pointless

[...]

When someone blabbers about a physically measurable quantity and clamors that that particular quantity is increasing in the face of actual data of that same measured quantity which demonstrate an exemplar steadiness, me think that that particular aspect of the discussion is far from pointless since it's akin to clamoring that the Statue of Liberty just doubled in height... BTW, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale.

[huyi82]

Pacal Votan's prophetic call is alerting present-day humanity that our biological process is transforming, approaching the culmination of a 12,500 year evolutionary program. It brings in the return of universal telepathy, heightened sense capacity, and self-reflective consciousness, which is a return to the sacred domain of our inner technology.

Many skills will be rediscovered. Bi-location. Teleporting. The ability to move between timelines, to revisit the past and change it for a better NOW. To step into different futures and try them on.

To manifest in physical reality. And much, much more....

do we really need that kind of power in the wrong hands? if EVERYONE (including evil people) had this power to time travel the whole history could be messed up and co exist with other peoples timelines? or will time travel only effect your timeline? also what happens when evil people like criminals erase their crimes or people who use these new founded powers for personal gain? you say money will be gone but will the elite and so forth not letting go of this illusion, not all people are willing to let go something that have been conditioned since birth to believe that it makes the world go round.

so many people believe all this hype how the world is going to change but will this truly happen with the way the world is now currently? we all need change if we humans are going to evolve, i just hope all these "changes" are for the better, i am sick of living currently in a selfish cruel heartless world that is why i hope for change, i hope december 2012 changes peoples hearts and forces people to care for others, that is the only reason i am staying alive for december 2012 for the experience, if the world is the same around that time i don't know what to do at that point, it's a long story regarding how i feel but i need hope and a reason to be here or my purpose is meaningless and a waste of time, that is how i see it anyway.

[GloriousPoetry]

Great interpretation of the Mayan prophecy. I also believe that it is the beginning of a shift in consciousness for humanity on this planet. I especially resonate with the timeline issue. For the last year or so I have been intuitively receiving messages about "creational time" being a divine right. I'm not sure what it means but your interpretation might point towards something similar.

[ghostrider]

I think it's important, to run a check on where the planets are and will be the week of december 21, 2012 , JPL website has NEO section for asteroids and such , it shows where the planets are in our solar system, there is no planetary alighment on that day , two or three I think line up with the sun, but it not what anyone thinks . Do some digging folks and ease your minds if you are worried. The ptb manipulate data on the internet, they forget to hide where our planets are on dec 21 to contiue their fear campaign.