Cidersomerset
9th September 2012, 22:53
The Taliban offered to put Osama Bin Ladin on "Trail" and they were even willing to send him to Saudi Arabia for a Trail! i.e. the Saudi goverment is a puppet goverment of America a so-called "Great Allie" of the WEST or more accurately the Ally of America and Britian but yet the Americans refused this offer.
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Exclusive Osama Bin Laden - First Ever TV Interview
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This was the first TV interview Osama (Usama) Bin Laden permitted. It was conducted in 1997 by CNN's Peter Arnett, Peter Bergen and photographer Peter Jouvenal. The CNN team was taken to an undisclosed location in Afghanistan for the interview.
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BBC now admits al qaeda never existed
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* Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA. It is simply a database of names of jihadists who were trained to fight against the Russians during the Afghan-Soviet conflict. * The real purpose is to build up a fake enemy so as to get the American public to support the invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq and now Pakistan. The whole objective is for Oil resources. The secondary objective is the conquest of the middle east for: New World Order, One World Government. * The balkanisation of Pakistan has begun. Pakistan is being dismembered and conquered. The greater middle east war will be triggered with Israel and USA vs Iran, Syria, Lebanon. This is pure BS. Dont be taken for a ride. The PTB wants to pit sheeple against sheeple to build their One World Empire!
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Taliban says it worked to prevent 9/11
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Uploaded by RussiaToday on 15 Feb 2010
Evidence now available from various sources, including recently declassified US State Department documents, shows that the Taliban regime led by Mullah Mohammad Omar imposed strict isolation on Osama bin Laden after 1998 to prevent him from carrying out any plots against the United States. It also bolsters the credibility of Taliban statements in recent months asserting that it has no interest in Al Qaeda's global jihadist aims.
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Why Afghanistan ? After 9 /11 - The Kaspian Gas Resevoir
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Investment Banker Karl Schwartz lays it out
1. The Caspian Sea Basin (Kazakstan, Turkmenistan etc.) holds between 11 and 12 TRILLION dollars in oil and gas resources
2. There are only three ways to get it out:
- East to China
- West through Iran, Russia, and Turkey to Europe
- South through Afghanistan and Pakistan
3. The Taliban who controlled Afghanistan before 9/11 made pipeline deals with non-US companies and refused to change them to give control of the region's resources to the US
http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/pipeline.jpg
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BBC Reports Osama Raid A Fake
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Uploaded by ATLAHWorldwide on 12 May 2011
Dr. James David Manning agrees with BBC. Bin Laden raid was a fake. Recorded on 12 May 2011. For More Info Go To: http://atlahmedianetwork.org or http://atlah.org
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Afghanistan: America's frenemy?
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Published on 7 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica
In 2012, 45 international service members have been killed as a result of Green on Blue violence in Afghanistan and 28 of those have been Americans. The Obama administration alleges that the alliance with the Afghan counterparts is strong, but the violence between the two alleged allies continues. Is the Afghan army ready to take over its country by 2014? Anthony Shaffer with the Center for Advanced Defense Studies helps us answer that question.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/09/20119115334167663.html
Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'
Former minister says group was prepared to see bin Laden put on trial prior to 9/11, but US was not interested.
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/6/16/201161681833240734_20.jpg
Taliban's last foreign minister says the group offered bin Laden for trial after the 1998 US embassy bombings [AFP]
The Taliban government in Afghanistan offered to present Osama bin Laden for a trial long before the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the US government showed no interest, according to a senior aide to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.
Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Taliban’s last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader, considered the mastermind of the 2001 attacks, for trial for his involvement in plots targeting US facilities during the 1990s.
"Even before the [9/11] attacks, our Islamic Emirate had tried through various proposals to resolve the Osama issue. One such proposal was to set up a three-nation court, or something under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference [OIC]," Muttawakil said.
"But the US showed no interest in it. They kept demanding we hand him over, but we had no relations with the US, no agreement of any sort. They did not recognise our government."
The US did not recognise the Taliban government and had no direct diplomatic relations with the group which controlled most of Afghanistan between 1996 and 2001.
But proposals by the Taliban were relayed to the US through indirect channels such as the US embassy in Pakistan or the informal Taliban office for the UN in New York, Muttawakil said.
Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan at the time of 9/11, confirmed that such proposals had been made to US officials.
Grenier said the US considered the offers to bring in Bin Laden to trial a "ploy".
"Another idea was that [bin Laden] would be brought to trial before a group of Ulema [religious scholars] in Afghanistan.
"No one in the US government took these [offers] seriously because they did not trust the Taliban and their ability to conduct a proper trial."
Subsequent to the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, as US pressure grew, the Taliban insisted on a procedure under the supervision of OIC because it considered it a "neutral international organisation".
The OIC is a Saudi Arabia-based organisation representing 56 Muslim nations. Al Jazeera contacted the OIC, but nobody was available for comment.
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/198/300/mritems/Images/2011/9/11/20119115591596621_20.jpg
Muttawakil now lives in Kabul [GALLO/GETTY]
Afghanistan's seat at the United Nations at the time was occupied by the anti-Taliban resistance, led by Burhanuddin Rabbani, the country's ousted president, but its seat at the OIC had remained empty, Muttawakil said.
Grenier said a top US prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, visited Pakistan to present evidence implicating bin Laden in US embassy bombings.
"He met with the Pakistani interior minister and the idea was to convince the Paksitani government to help in turning over bin Laden," he said.
Grenier could not recall whether Fitzgerald met with Taliban officials in Pakistan to discuss their proposals or not.
Muttawakil, who now lives in Kabul and advises an Islamic educational foundation, reportedly tried to negotiate a ceasefire in the days after the US launched operations in the country in 2001 by seeking to convince Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, to part ways with bin Laden.
He was taken into US custody in the notorious Bagram prison early in 2002. After months of detention, he was released under house arrest in Kandahar and then moved to Kabul.
Bin Laden had first moved to Afghanistan during the war against the Soviet invasion in 1979 as part of large number of Arab fighters in the region. After the Soviet withdrawal, he moved to Sudan in 1992 as a factional war broke out in Afghanistan.
When Sudan came under increasing pressure from the US, bin Laden was flown back to Afghanistan in a chartered plane hired by Rabbani's government.
"They [al-Qaeda] were people from the time of Jihad, and Rabbani’s government brought them back into the country. The Taliban simply inherited them," Muttawakil said.
Taliban and al-Qaeda links
A movement of predominantly students from religious schools, the Taliban emerged from the south of country in late 1996 as a beacon of hope to end the years of bloodshed and factional fighting.
Bringing a message of peace and security, they swept through the country, with only a small pocket of resistance in the north that endured throughout their rule.
But they suffered their share of pressure and sanctions from the international community for the extreme measures they imposed, including banning women from school and work, and for harbouring bin Laden.
When they conquered the eastern city of Jalalabad, where bin Laden was staying, Saudi Arabia, his home country that had revoked his citizenship, pressured them to restrict his movement.
"Saudi Arabia had problems with him - that he should not be giving press conferences and coming out to the media," Muttawakil said. "Their request was to keep Osama silent. So the Emirate decided to bring him to Kandahar, where our leader stayed, to keep him under our focus".
When the attacks of September 11 happened, Muttawakil was in the foreign ministry in Kabul. He immediately contacted Mullah Omar, who remained in Kandahar throughout his government.
"Afghanistan was one of the first few governments that condemned the attacks," Muttawakil said.
"Neither for the US, nor for Afghanistan - and the Afghan people - the attacks were not a good thing. Because subsequent to those attacks, many more people have died here in Afghanistan."
That attack was a disaster on civilians, and on the pretext of that attack, disasters have been afflicted on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq,” he said.
Muttawakil said that there had always been differences of opinion between the Arab fighters of al-Qaeda and his Taliban colleagues. Such differences surfaced further after 9/11.
"There is no doubt that the stance of the Emirate and the views of some of the Arab activists differed. We condemned the attacks because the people targeted were defenseless civilians, women, children, Muslim and non-Muslim. But al-Qaeda praised it."
Days after 9/11, with the US military campaign looming, the Taliban government convened an advisory gathering of over 1,500 religious scholars at a Kabul hotel to discuss what to do with bin Laden.
The scholars concluded that the Taliban government should ask bin Laden to "leave the country voluntarily".
"The Americans said that even if he leaves, they will search any place in Afghanistan that they wanted with their military forces. They wanted him dead or alive."
"Their requests and demands were based on a logic of war. They were preparing for it - preparing their planes in the Gulf and working with Pakistan to open a route. Their decision to go to war was definite."
Bin Laden's whereabouts remained a mystery for most of the decade after the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. He was eventually killed in a raid by US special forces in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in May.
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Some interresting insights into the Afghan war although by no means the whole story !!
It will give you a clearer picture of Bin Laden who was no 'Chicken Hawk ' and fought in
the front line, and also shows his involvement in 9/11 is tenuous !! Although he did want
to get western influence out of his native Saudi Arabia by force !
eBAEk2dBm4E
hBhhI7m47ZE
Oo7fg5jPzvE
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Exclusive Osama Bin Laden - First Ever TV Interview
dqQwnqjA-6w
This was the first TV interview Osama (Usama) Bin Laden permitted. It was conducted in 1997 by CNN's Peter Arnett, Peter Bergen and photographer Peter Jouvenal. The CNN team was taken to an undisclosed location in Afghanistan for the interview.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BBC now admits al qaeda never existed
pZ_HlmP1aZk
* Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA. It is simply a database of names of jihadists who were trained to fight against the Russians during the Afghan-Soviet conflict. * The real purpose is to build up a fake enemy so as to get the American public to support the invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq and now Pakistan. The whole objective is for Oil resources. The secondary objective is the conquest of the middle east for: New World Order, One World Government. * The balkanisation of Pakistan has begun. Pakistan is being dismembered and conquered. The greater middle east war will be triggered with Israel and USA vs Iran, Syria, Lebanon. This is pure BS. Dont be taken for a ride. The PTB wants to pit sheeple against sheeple to build their One World Empire!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Taliban says it worked to prevent 9/11
Cl6i1kdKj-g
Uploaded by RussiaToday on 15 Feb 2010
Evidence now available from various sources, including recently declassified US State Department documents, shows that the Taliban regime led by Mullah Mohammad Omar imposed strict isolation on Osama bin Laden after 1998 to prevent him from carrying out any plots against the United States. It also bolsters the credibility of Taliban statements in recent months asserting that it has no interest in Al Qaeda's global jihadist aims.
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Why Afghanistan ? After 9 /11 - The Kaspian Gas Resevoir
886gooL9drg
Investment Banker Karl Schwartz lays it out
1. The Caspian Sea Basin (Kazakstan, Turkmenistan etc.) holds between 11 and 12 TRILLION dollars in oil and gas resources
2. There are only three ways to get it out:
- East to China
- West through Iran, Russia, and Turkey to Europe
- South through Afghanistan and Pakistan
3. The Taliban who controlled Afghanistan before 9/11 made pipeline deals with non-US companies and refused to change them to give control of the region's resources to the US
http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/pipeline.jpg
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BBC Reports Osama Raid A Fake
vYYKaOIh9aw
Uploaded by ATLAHWorldwide on 12 May 2011
Dr. James David Manning agrees with BBC. Bin Laden raid was a fake. Recorded on 12 May 2011. For More Info Go To: http://atlahmedianetwork.org or http://atlah.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Afghanistan: America's frenemy?
jVrknrMplNQ
Published on 7 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica
In 2012, 45 international service members have been killed as a result of Green on Blue violence in Afghanistan and 28 of those have been Americans. The Obama administration alleges that the alliance with the Afghan counterparts is strong, but the violence between the two alleged allies continues. Is the Afghan army ready to take over its country by 2014? Anthony Shaffer with the Center for Advanced Defense Studies helps us answer that question.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/09/20119115334167663.html
Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'
Former minister says group was prepared to see bin Laden put on trial prior to 9/11, but US was not interested.
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/6/16/201161681833240734_20.jpg
Taliban's last foreign minister says the group offered bin Laden for trial after the 1998 US embassy bombings [AFP]
The Taliban government in Afghanistan offered to present Osama bin Laden for a trial long before the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the US government showed no interest, according to a senior aide to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.
Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Taliban’s last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader, considered the mastermind of the 2001 attacks, for trial for his involvement in plots targeting US facilities during the 1990s.
"Even before the [9/11] attacks, our Islamic Emirate had tried through various proposals to resolve the Osama issue. One such proposal was to set up a three-nation court, or something under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference [OIC]," Muttawakil said.
"But the US showed no interest in it. They kept demanding we hand him over, but we had no relations with the US, no agreement of any sort. They did not recognise our government."
The US did not recognise the Taliban government and had no direct diplomatic relations with the group which controlled most of Afghanistan between 1996 and 2001.
But proposals by the Taliban were relayed to the US through indirect channels such as the US embassy in Pakistan or the informal Taliban office for the UN in New York, Muttawakil said.
Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan at the time of 9/11, confirmed that such proposals had been made to US officials.
Grenier said the US considered the offers to bring in Bin Laden to trial a "ploy".
"Another idea was that [bin Laden] would be brought to trial before a group of Ulema [religious scholars] in Afghanistan.
"No one in the US government took these [offers] seriously because they did not trust the Taliban and their ability to conduct a proper trial."
Subsequent to the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, as US pressure grew, the Taliban insisted on a procedure under the supervision of OIC because it considered it a "neutral international organisation".
The OIC is a Saudi Arabia-based organisation representing 56 Muslim nations. Al Jazeera contacted the OIC, but nobody was available for comment.
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/198/300/mritems/Images/2011/9/11/20119115591596621_20.jpg
Muttawakil now lives in Kabul [GALLO/GETTY]
Afghanistan's seat at the United Nations at the time was occupied by the anti-Taliban resistance, led by Burhanuddin Rabbani, the country's ousted president, but its seat at the OIC had remained empty, Muttawakil said.
Grenier said a top US prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, visited Pakistan to present evidence implicating bin Laden in US embassy bombings.
"He met with the Pakistani interior minister and the idea was to convince the Paksitani government to help in turning over bin Laden," he said.
Grenier could not recall whether Fitzgerald met with Taliban officials in Pakistan to discuss their proposals or not.
Muttawakil, who now lives in Kabul and advises an Islamic educational foundation, reportedly tried to negotiate a ceasefire in the days after the US launched operations in the country in 2001 by seeking to convince Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, to part ways with bin Laden.
He was taken into US custody in the notorious Bagram prison early in 2002. After months of detention, he was released under house arrest in Kandahar and then moved to Kabul.
Bin Laden had first moved to Afghanistan during the war against the Soviet invasion in 1979 as part of large number of Arab fighters in the region. After the Soviet withdrawal, he moved to Sudan in 1992 as a factional war broke out in Afghanistan.
When Sudan came under increasing pressure from the US, bin Laden was flown back to Afghanistan in a chartered plane hired by Rabbani's government.
"They [al-Qaeda] were people from the time of Jihad, and Rabbani’s government brought them back into the country. The Taliban simply inherited them," Muttawakil said.
Taliban and al-Qaeda links
A movement of predominantly students from religious schools, the Taliban emerged from the south of country in late 1996 as a beacon of hope to end the years of bloodshed and factional fighting.
Bringing a message of peace and security, they swept through the country, with only a small pocket of resistance in the north that endured throughout their rule.
But they suffered their share of pressure and sanctions from the international community for the extreme measures they imposed, including banning women from school and work, and for harbouring bin Laden.
When they conquered the eastern city of Jalalabad, where bin Laden was staying, Saudi Arabia, his home country that had revoked his citizenship, pressured them to restrict his movement.
"Saudi Arabia had problems with him - that he should not be giving press conferences and coming out to the media," Muttawakil said. "Their request was to keep Osama silent. So the Emirate decided to bring him to Kandahar, where our leader stayed, to keep him under our focus".
When the attacks of September 11 happened, Muttawakil was in the foreign ministry in Kabul. He immediately contacted Mullah Omar, who remained in Kandahar throughout his government.
"Afghanistan was one of the first few governments that condemned the attacks," Muttawakil said.
"Neither for the US, nor for Afghanistan - and the Afghan people - the attacks were not a good thing. Because subsequent to those attacks, many more people have died here in Afghanistan."
That attack was a disaster on civilians, and on the pretext of that attack, disasters have been afflicted on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq,” he said.
Muttawakil said that there had always been differences of opinion between the Arab fighters of al-Qaeda and his Taliban colleagues. Such differences surfaced further after 9/11.
"There is no doubt that the stance of the Emirate and the views of some of the Arab activists differed. We condemned the attacks because the people targeted were defenseless civilians, women, children, Muslim and non-Muslim. But al-Qaeda praised it."
Days after 9/11, with the US military campaign looming, the Taliban government convened an advisory gathering of over 1,500 religious scholars at a Kabul hotel to discuss what to do with bin Laden.
The scholars concluded that the Taliban government should ask bin Laden to "leave the country voluntarily".
"The Americans said that even if he leaves, they will search any place in Afghanistan that they wanted with their military forces. They wanted him dead or alive."
"Their requests and demands were based on a logic of war. They were preparing for it - preparing their planes in the Gulf and working with Pakistan to open a route. Their decision to go to war was definite."
Bin Laden's whereabouts remained a mystery for most of the decade after the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. He was eventually killed in a raid by US special forces in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in May.
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Some interresting insights into the Afghan war although by no means the whole story !!
It will give you a clearer picture of Bin Laden who was no 'Chicken Hawk ' and fought in
the front line, and also shows his involvement in 9/11 is tenuous !! Although he did want
to get western influence out of his native Saudi Arabia by force !