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mgray
12th September 2012, 10:46
The US Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed when suspected Libyan religious extremists stormed the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi late Tuesday night, according to Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagour.

crosby
12th September 2012, 10:51
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444426404577647060576633348.html

"The U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed when suspected Libyan religious extremists stormed the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi late Tuesday night, according to Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagour.

U.S. envoy J. Christopher Stevens
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Video: State Department Video After Steven's Appointment to Libya (YouTube)
U.S. Missions Stormed in Libya, Egypt

Egyptian protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and replaced the flag with a black standard bearing an Islamic inscription, in protest of a film deemed offensive to the Prophet Muhammad. Matt Bradley has details on The News Hub.

Libyan officials spent the night in a manhunt trying to find those responsible for the killing of the American diplomat and three other American employees of the consulate. It was unclear whether the bodies of the Americans had been recovered."

this could have devastating repercussions.
thanks mgray for posting.
warmest regards, corson

crosby
12th September 2012, 10:58
there is also news of egyptians storming the us embassy in cairo.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/the-movie-so-offensive-that-egyptians-just-stormed-the-us-embassy-over-it/262225/?google_editors_picks=true

jaybee
12th September 2012, 11:21
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bloody hell.....what a mess it all is.

I feel so sorry for the citizens of these countries who used to have relatively peaceful and prosperous lives.

Include Syria in the above comment.

:(

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spiritguide
12th September 2012, 11:27
Probably the same group the US government provided air cover for. The Arab spring is not to liberty but into hell as choreographed by the west.

PHARAOH
12th September 2012, 11:48
This could only have happened if the U.S. ordered the hit. Political reasons of course.

I for one do not believe anything they tell me, so why should you? If we believe them, then go join the hype. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Make a deal with the devil, expect the double-cross.

Rollo
12th September 2012, 11:48
Who knows, maybe this terrible death is planned to send even more troops and start another war so much wanted by the cabal. You know those types, they killed US citizens in WTC without any problems to get the world on the war on terror band wagon.

Cidersomerset
12th September 2012, 12:34
I was about to do a thread but saw this one already started...
Some news reports from RT news....


US Diplomat Death: Violence on rise in post-revolution Libya

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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Libya's Interior ministry says the US ambassador in Libya has been killed in an attack on the consulate in the city of Benghazi.
The American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt were raided by angry mobs over a US-made film said to insult the Prophet Mohammed.


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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Video courtesy: Doualia.com http://www.youtube.com/Doualia

The US ambassador to Libya was killed by local militia in an attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Reuters quoted Libyan official as saying.
US embassy in Libya has not yet commented on the report

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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt have been attacked by angry mobs over a US-made film said to insult the Prophet Mohammed. The assault in the Libyan city of Benghazi left US ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other consulate employees killed. Post-revolutionary Libya and Egypt will only see a further rise in extremism and instability, says Nader Hashemi, an Assistant Professor of Middle East and Islamic Politics at the University of Denver.

ViralSpiral
12th September 2012, 13:06
and more storms:


Somali president escapes assassination bid (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/09/201291211132514648.html)
At least three killed in attack on Mogadishu hotel where newly elected leader was meeting Kenyan dignitaries.

truth4me
12th September 2012, 13:31
This could only have happened if the U.S. ordered the hit. Political reasons of course.

I for one do not believe anything they tell me, so why should you? If we believe them, then go join the hype. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Make a deal with the devil, expect the double-cross. Bingo! We have our winner! Your right PHAROAH.Don't believe any of the crap they try to get us to accept as reality....

Sidney
12th September 2012, 13:39
This could only have happened if the U.S. ordered the hit. Political reasons of course.

I for one do not believe anything they tell me, so why should you? If we believe them, then go join the hype. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Make a deal with the devil, expect the double-cross.

I couldn't have said it better PHAROAH- I fully agree with every word you say!!

humanalien
12th September 2012, 14:12
We don't need U.S. ambassadors in any country anyway. Bring
them all home and send all our foreign ambassadors back to
their own countries. Ambassadors are nothing but foreign spies anyway.

Peace of Mind
12th September 2012, 14:15
Seen this on the morning news and was kind of wishing I wouldn’t see it here too. Who was I kidding? This is just more propaganda and ways to spread patriotism. Why people follow and spread these stories before reflecting is beyond me. Why religion always seems to bring pain instead of peace is beyond me. Why people pretend like they mean well but only promote grief is beyond me. I’ve been witnessing a lot of suspicious activities lately. I hope I’m not the only one noticing this…

Peace

seko
12th September 2012, 14:55
This could only have happened if the U.S. ordered the hit. Political reasons of course.

I for one do not believe anything they tell me, so why should you? If we believe them, then go join the hype. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Make a deal with the devil, expect the double-cross.

Lets not forget the Mossad which have the capabilities of doing so and more this time when the American administration doesn't want to attack Iran and the Zionist regime didn't like that at all.

Carmody
12th September 2012, 15:26
Seen this on the morning news and was kind of wishing I wouldn’t see it here too. Who was I kidding? This is just more propaganda and ways to spread patriotism. Why people follow and spread these stories before reflecting is beyond me. Why religion always seems to bring pain instead of peace is beyond me. Why people pretend like they mean well but only promote grief is beyond me. I’ve been witnessing a lot of suspicious activities lately. I hope I’m not the only one noticing this…

Peace

religion always brings pain due to the point that religion is a nice idea, but it is an idea run and controlled by people who are not clear of mind.. to corral and control people who are not clear of mind. thus, it is always going to be at fault, regarding depth of direction and ultimate outcomes. Organized populist religion is all about maintenance of psychological position and projecting that into others and self, via action and reflection--which is entirely the opposite of individual growth and change. It is comfort food for those who commit lip service to personal evolution.

In it's ultimate expression or guise, it becomes a form of homicidal zealotry. It is entirely tribal and exists in a state of 'us vs them', and in that moment is the expression of human insanity at it's worst.

Thus, large scale organized religion is, on the grand scale, a lever or control mechanism for those who try to herd and steer the larger mass of the 'middle' level of awareness of humanity.

Patriotism is a form of tribal minded insanity, an expression of the hive aspects of the deeper parts of the animal or reptilian brain components, which are core to expressing and interpreting all signals coming into and going out of the human body, as a form of a polarized and colored lens.

Organized religion, is the same thing, but tied to spirituality. A self lie, based on the animal parts, the base interpretive components of the human body running the show, regarding the interpretation of reality.

gooty64
12th September 2012, 15:55
Great post Carmody, Religion and patriotism (nationalism) = MAD world.



Seen this on the morning news and was kind of wishing I wouldn’t see it here too. Who was I kidding? This is just more propaganda and ways to spread patriotism. Why people follow and spread these stories before reflecting is beyond me. Why religion always seems to bring pain instead of peace is beyond me. Why people pretend like they mean well but only promote grief is beyond me. I’ve been witnessing a lot of suspicious activities lately. I hope I’m not the only one noticing this…

Peace

religion always brings pain due to the point that religion is a nice idea, but it is an idea run and controlled by people who are not clear of mind.. to corral and control people who are not clear of mind. thus, it is always going to be at fault, regarding depth of direction and ultimate outcomes. Organized populist religion is all about maintenance of psychological position and projecting that into others and self, via action and reflection--which is entirely the opposite of individual growth and change. It is comfort food for those who commit lip service to personal evolution.

In it's ultimate expression or guise, it becomes a form of homicidal zealotry. It is entirely tribal and exists in a state of 'us vs them', and in that moment is the expression of human insanity at it's worst.

Thus, large scale organized religion is, on the grand scale, a lever or control mechanism for those who try to herd and steer the larger mass of the 'middle' level of awareness of humanity.

Patriotism is a form of tribal minded insanity, an expression of the hive aspects of the deeper parts of the animal or reptilian brain components, which are core to expressing and interpreting all signals coming into and going out of the human body, as a form of a polarized and colored lens.

Organized religion, is the same thing, but tied to spirituality. A self lie, based on the animal parts, the base interpretive components of the human body running the show, regarding the interpretation of reality.

korgh
12th September 2012, 16:34
Hi folks , this is my first post.
I'm feeling very unconfortable about that episode involving the death of four americans. My sincere condolences to their families.

I agree in some parts about what Carmody wrote about fundamentalism, but there is a thing called respect by people's belief.

If you analyse carefully what was the trigger of this brutal and unnecessary act involving loss of lifes, this was a manouver orchestrated by some "you know who". Is interesting the main excuses from Sam Bacile, the director and producer of the movie. He claims that "“Islam is a cancer, period,” an unrepentant Sam Bacile told the Associated Press. in a telephone interview.

You can read more here:
(copy and paste.. is better to avoid traces from where came the link)


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/filmmaker-behind-anti-islamic-movie-sparked-deadly-protests-libya-egypt-hiding-article-1.1157426#ixzz26Gvzy329

Also, he wrote and directed the $5 million movie, which he said was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors.

Well... is not needed to be a genius to understand what is happening here....
Like this and others acts who lead to imminent war, is necessary to catch the REAL responsibles of this incident and bring them to respond for it. In the USA or send them to islam.

No matter what kind of belief or religion some people need believe. This was a total act of disrespect and irresponsibility. This had cost innocent human lifes and how many more will do.

P.S.
An avalonian member posted a very pertinent thread here:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49708-Israel-desperate-US-not-in-position-to-do-anything-about-Iran

maybe all of this will be more clear..

Cheers

Korgh

Arrowwind
12th September 2012, 16:49
[Organized religion, is the same thing, but tied to spirituality. A self lie, based on the animal parts, the base interpretive components of the human body running the show, regarding the interpretation of reality.

The reptilian brain.

Arrowwind
12th September 2012, 16:55
Yep, this movie sounds like a Zionist attack to stimulate violence.
They know before they do it just what it will do.
All sides are equally corrupt.
Remember, Jews and Zionists are not the same thing.
Real Jews respect the Torah.
Real Muslims are peaceful people.
The rest are pawns for the cabal
to keep the world in turmoil
to keep the military industiral compex busy
to keep money flowing into the coffers of the evil.

Want to know why no nuclear bombs have exploded yet?
It would seriously deplete the ongoing military and drug economy

Camilo
12th September 2012, 17:03
What goes around, comes around.

AuCo
12th September 2012, 18:11
Does this mean more people will check out this movie? Oh boy!

Jean-Luc
12th September 2012, 19:34
Yep, this movie sounds like a Zionist attack to stimulate violence.
They know before they do it just what it will do.
All sides are equally corrupt.
Remember, Jews and Zionists are not the same thing.
Real Jews respect the Torah.
Real Muslims are peaceful people.
The rest are pawns for the cabal
to keep the world in turmoil
to keep the military industiral compex busy
to keep money flowing into the coffers of the evil.

Want to know why no nuclear bombs have exploded yet?
It would seriously deplete the ongoing military and drug economy

I've had a quick overlook at this poorly performed trailer. A real piece of crap.

These comments from Henri Makow with quotes from film director make sense. Looks like even more stupid (5 millions for that crap??) provocation than the prophet's caricatures from some years ago


The film which provoked Muslim outrage is a gratuitous hate crime but since Jews define "hate" (as anything they hate,) the director Sam Bacile, 56, has not been charged. Nor have the more than 100 Jewish donors who financed the $5 million effort.

"Speaking by phone from an undisclosed location Tuesday, writer and director Sam Bacile, left, remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer."

Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

"Islam is a cancer, period," he said repeatedly.

"The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," the film claims Muhammad was a fraud. An English-language 13-minute trailer on YouTube shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons.

"It depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, among other overtly insulting claims that have caused outrage.

The film is obscene and portrays Mohammed as a bastard who performs lewd acts. It portrays atrocities by Muslims against Christians which the Muslim authorities condone and blame on Christians. This is ironic since Zionists are inciting attacks against Americans and blaming Muslims. http://www.henrymakow.com/us-ambassador-is-marty.html

Cidersomerset
12th September 2012, 19:46
'Muslims vs Christians perfect divide-and-rule scenario for neocons'

Patrick Henningsen explains how this is all about asset stripping by corporates
which is happening all over the middle east...

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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


President Obama has confirmed that his ambassador to Libya - and three other officials - were killed in the city of Benghazi.
Christopher Stevens was visiting the US consulate, when an armed mob stormed the compound, in protest at an American
film which is being called an insult to Islam. To discuss the attacks on American diplomats RT talks to Patrick Henningsen -
a geopolitical analyst for the "UK Column" current affairs web site.

noxon medem
12th September 2012, 19:49
..
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"Tables" are turning ...

I do not approve of killing ,


- then again , "they" set the rule ..
( and the stage for their own slaying ..).
Or , rendering themselves absolete ?

- so , be well , all .

..
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Cidersomerset
12th September 2012, 19:57
'Muhammad-mocking movie to flare up troubled region' Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday

Marines on way to beef up security !!

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There's been an attack on the US embassy in Beirut. This comes after President Obama confirmed that his ambassador to Libya -
and three other officials - were killed in the city of Benghazi. Christopher Stevens was at the US consulate there when an armed
mob stormed the compound, in protest at an American film which has been described as an insult to Islam.

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'Anti-Islam film a pretext; US diplomat's killing shows Libya intervention's failure'

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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Washington has condemned the killing of its ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three other officials - who died when an armed mob attacked the U.S. consulate in the city of Benghazi. The bloodshed followed protests over an American film which has been described as an insult to Islam. It's the first time a U.S. ambassador has been killed while in post since 1979. RT's Gayane Chichakyan has the latest.

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Wouldn't it be nice if the BBC CNN Fox and the others spoke to these specialist bloggers
and journalists on mainstream prime time news !! instead of the 'embeded ' hacks they
employ....

Cidersomerset
12th September 2012, 21:31
Libyan protesters kill American ambassador


Its comming out the US have been using their 'Ciada' assets to underpin these uprisings !
Obama is sending in the Drones !! Marines on the ground ..Uhm!

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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica


On Tuesday night, a group of Libyan protesters gathered outside the American consulate in Benghazi to express their discontent over an alleged
American video posted on YouTube insulting the prophet Mohammed. The group stormed thebuilding after launching rockets at the consulate
killing four Americans. Among them, J. Christopher Stevens an American diplomat was killed and President Obama has vowed to seek justice by
sending drones to the country. RT's Arabic correspondent Reema Abu Hamdieh, joins us with the latest on the the recent attacks.

Paranormal
13th September 2012, 02:05
So how is his life worth anymore than the thousands of Libyans Obama and his war machine have been killed? Where is all the outcry in the West about each of these deaths? I know this sounds harsh but he should have done more to end wars and save the Libyans. So should us all because: "If you live by the sword, then you die by the sword."

applecrusher1992
13th September 2012, 02:27
I wonder if there was some other underlying cause behind this. I just can't believe it is over a movie. There are usually other motives when something like this happens. Anyone have any guesses?

Rocky_Shorz
13th September 2012, 02:44
The trailer was uploaded to YouTube by Sam Bacile, whom The Wall Street Journal Web site identified as a 52-year old Israeli-American real estate developer in California. He told the Web site he had raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to make the film. “Islam is a cancer,” Mr. Bacile was quoted as saying.

The video gained international attention when a Florida pastor began promoting it along with his own proclamation of Sept. 11 as “International Judge Muhammad Day.”

In a statement on Tuesday, the pastor, Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., called the film “an American production, not designed to attack Muslims but to show the destructive ideology of Islam” and said it “further reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad.”

He said the embassy and consulate attacks illustrated that Muslims “have no tolerance for anything outside of Muhammad” and called Islam “a total deception.”... link (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/anger-over-film-fuels-anti-american-attacks-in-libya-and-egypt.html)


this film that has the middle east rioting was made by facebook nick Ambacile first thought imbacile, but after a search, our favorite name came up with a bacteria... isn't there a strain medicine doesn't touch hitting right now?

bacille de Koch nm. 1) Koch bacillus, 2) mycobacterium tuberculosis



Although the WHO prefers to call the newest outbreak of TB resistant cases Extremely Drug Resistant (XDR+), doctors at the National Institute for Research and Tuberculosis (NIRT) in Chennai maintain the dozens of cases they have seen since July were Totally Drug Resistant (TDR). This means that none of the existing 12 antibiotics used to treat tuberculosis were effective.

Patients suffering from this lethal strain are left with few options. Dr. Zarir Udwadia, who first spoke about TDR-TB in Mumbai earlier this year says, “We have little to offer these patients except for drastic surgery and medication for relief.”

Though many doctors in India have clinically confirmed the existence of TDR-TB, some debate over its existence remains because it is difficult to prove in the lab. Once further research on the strain’s drug resistance is conducted, other groups may be willing to accept the doctors’ definition.

Additional cases of TDR-TB have also been reported in Bangalore, New Delhi, and in far-off Italy. A nationwide survey to determine the incidence of this highly resistant strain is planned to begin in India by the end of 2012, and will provide interested parties with more comprehensive figures of the epidemic.

http://www.healthmap.org/news/tuberculosis-without-cure-tdr-or-xdr-91112

having this in the hands of the one painting chemtrails isn't very comforting...

bogeyman
13th September 2012, 02:49
Where was the protection detail, i.e. American security forces? In a country as unstable as this, why was he even in the country? Some are saying the country was better of with Gaddafi at least it was stable, same with Iraq. Both are in a mess.

avid
13th September 2012, 04:20
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/embassy-killings-in-libya-the-stench-of-ciamossad-false-flag/

Embassy Killings in Libya, the Stench of CIA/Mossad “False Flag”
Real Intelligence Reports at Total Odds with Reported News
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by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
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Investigations by me, published yesterday on Press TV’s website, cited “Reverand” and “Doctor” Terry Jones as the source of the videos cited for instigating violence across the Middle East.

Our investigation into Jones past showed him to be a trained CIA asset with direct ties to the Mossad. He served in Germany for years as an organizer for the CIA under the highly secret “Gladio” program until expelled by the German government.

The network news has been told to find a way to blame “Al Qaeda” on the killings at the embassy in Libya. It has now become an accepted fact that the demonstrations were orchestrated to cover the murders.

First of all as to the “film” or whatever. As news managed to get past the “controllers,” it became obvious that the “Israeli” director never existed and the film had been financed by a group out of Las Vegas in the casino business tied directly to the Romney campaign.

Much more info on link - totally credible with film clips and facts. Well done Veterans Today!

Cidersomerset
13th September 2012, 06:14
Libya rejects American-style Democracy?

This is very suspicious the timing anniversary of 9/11 , an election looming
Classic to create a controlled crisis to give the sitting President a chance to
look strong , and gives him more power to do things beyond congress in the
name of national security etc...Also poss problem reaction solution !!!


This is a different report than the one above.....

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Published on 12 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica


The US ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a consulate building in Benghazi, stormed by al Qaeda-linked gunmen.
The attack was said to be response to an offensive video posted on Youtube by an American filmmaker that ridiculed Islam's prophet Mohammad.
US top officials have already expressed their condemnation to what happened by the question remains where Libya is heading to since being
imposed Western-style democracy? To answer this question RT's Kristine Frazao is joined by Walid Phares adviser to anti-terrorism caucus of
the US Congress and author of the book "The Coming Revolution: Struggle for Freedom in the Middle East"

Rocky_Shorz
13th September 2012, 06:26
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/embassy-killings-in-libya-the-stench-of-ciamossad-false-flag/

Embassy Killings in Libya, the Stench of CIA/Mossad “False Flag”
Real Intelligence Reports at Total Odds with Reported News
—————
by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
———-
Investigations by me, published yesterday on Press TV’s website, cited “Reverand” and “Doctor” Terry Jones as the source of the videos cited for instigating violence across the Middle East.

Our investigation into Jones past showed him to be a trained CIA asset with direct ties to the Mossad. He served in Germany for years as an organizer for the CIA under the highly secret “Gladio” program until expelled by the German government.

The network news has been told to find a way to blame “Al Qaeda” on the killings at the embassy in Libya. It has now become an accepted fact that the demonstrations were orchestrated to cover the murders.

First of all as to the “film” or whatever. As news managed to get past the “controllers,” it became obvious that the “Israeli” director never existed and the film had been financed by a group out of Las Vegas in the casino business tied directly to the Romney campaign.

Much more info on link - totally credible with film clips and facts. Well done Veterans Today!

who controls the media from both sides, that is all that is needed for operations like this around the world...

the movie was created to divide Christians and Muslims? well we are brothers, with the same Father...

the movie was created so it could be dissected and presented to the public in an inflammatory way... for both sides


the religious aren't upset, because it isn't truth...


dropped into the lap of the biggest extremist in America that personally has killed more Americans out of stupidity than anyone else alive...


he lit the fuse that made the situation explode...

modwiz
13th September 2012, 07:00
Nice, clean professionally produced 'protest' sign with convenient 'extremist' message on bottom for English only readers. False flag for dummies.
The picture is from the article at VT posted by Avid.

This is both a sweet satanic commemoration/message of 9/11 and a sign of displeasure from certain unhappy leaders. The war with Iran is not proceeding as desired.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ScreenHunter_636-Sep.-12-14.48-306x320.jpg

Cidersomerset
13th September 2012, 12:11
Was U.S. Ambassador To Libya Lynched? Media Caught Lying Again?

Attack on U.S. Consulate illustrates disastrous outcome of Obama’s humanitarian intervention in Libya as photos indicate torture before the murder.

'Caution' there are pictures of possible Ambassador being carried from where ? to Where ? The caption speaks for itselfe.I don't know if its genuine ?

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/12/ambassador-lynched-media-caught-lying-183151/

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'Blowback time for US, death & disaster only outcome'

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Published on 13 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Protesters break into the grounds of the American embassy in Yemeni capital Sanaa.
Gunfire has been heard around the compound, but Yemen's embassy in Washington
says there are no casualties. For more, RT talks to journalist and broadcaster Neil Clark.

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US Embassy in Yemen stormed as Muslim insult fury spreads
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Published on 13 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Yemeni police reportedly fired at hundreds of demonstrators storming the US embassy in the capital city of Sanaa.
The embassy personnel are currently being taken to a secure location, the Yemen Times reported.
The demonstrators allegedly breached the embassy grounds but were unable to enter the building.
The embassy denied reports that protesters had entered its offices, saying that the clashes took
place at the perimeter of the embassy grounds.

sdv
13th September 2012, 12:30
These deaths are so tragic, and an echo of the killing of Gaddaffi by a mob (by the way, I have seen Gaddaffi in real life, when he was alive of course - a short man).

This from an RT interview:


RT: Are the new governments of Libya and Egypt too ill-prepared to protect diplomatic premises, or were these events just too unpredictable?

PH: You really have to look at this in a mature way. For the US to bomb and basically destroy a country and assassinate its head of state on worldwide television, and then for diplomats to go in, those diplomats have to realize that they’re not innocent. They are parties in a major war crime. So they have to on guard for that. To think there’s going to be normal diplomatic relations in a country like Libya – that’s totally unstable as a result of NATO intervention – is a bit naïve by western pundits and politicians in Washington and London. No one is innocent anymore. This is the new paradigm of Western aggression that they have to accept as a reality.

RT: Islamist groups have been on the rise since the dawn of the Arab Spring – why are their radical elements proving so difficult for these countries to contain?

PH: Most of the radical Islamic elements in all of these countries are controlled by the West. The al-Qaeda factions are directed, controlled, and now funded openly – in the case of Syria – by Washington and London. So they have control of the radical elements. This is really an excellent divide and rule situation, to use this clash of civilizations – Islam vs. Christianity – it’s a great cover for a neo-colonial agenda and the technique of dividing countries into their respective compartments, compartmentalizing them, and then being able to rule over them, through the UN or NATO or other transnational bodies.

RT: What do you expect Washington's next step to be?

PH: This is a tragedy, our hearts go out to the council workers and Ambassador Stevens and his family. But look – the US called all the dead Libyans "collateral damage" when they were working to take over the country. You can look at this recent death as "collateral damage." This is still a part of the aggression. This is what’s called the blowback of Washington and London’s aggressive foreign policy. Ambassador Stevens and his staff are "collateral damage" of the western agenda to march forward and to radicalize parts of the countries and take over the Middle East in order to prepare for the eventual confrontation with Iran, with Israel by its side.

RT: Why are the American diplomats paying this tragic price when the anger is supposedly directed at a film which has nothing to do with the government?

PH: There’s more than meets the eye here. It’s not just about the film. This anti-Western, anti-American angst isn’t just about what this film was depicted as. This film will come and go. It will wash away. The real issue here is about the Western aggression – the violence and killing – from Afghanistan all the way to Libya. That is the big issue that people aren’t talking about.
It’s not so much about a religion or clash of civilizations. It’s an anti-Imperialist angst that’s fueling this aggression towards America and some of Europe’s leading NATO countries. This is the price they will continue to pay. But the West will use this crisis as an opportunity to either balkanize these countries or introduce other military UN peace keeping forces, more small pockets of NATO troops. They’ll use this crisis as an opportunity as they always have done. So we need to look through the narrative, which is mainly a Western narrative.

RT: Ambassador Christopher Stevens was a key figure in arranging ties with Libya's post-revolution interim government. Does his tragic death signal a deep divide between the new leaders and the people of Benghazi?

PH: Libya was well divided before Ambassador Stevens set foot there. It was divided as a result of the NATO intervention. You have warlords and militias, raided weapon stocks that were formerly held by the Gaddafi government. So it’s absolute chaos. Meanwhile, amongst this chaos on the surface, the oil assets, the state utilities, the water assets, some of the agricultural assets, and some of the economic pockets have already been divided up by British, American, and French companies. They’ve divided the country and are selling off its assets for pennies on the dollar in order to pay off the IMF’s money injection they’ve put into Libya. The corporations will still profit from this chaos, which they’ve done very efficiently. And that’s not being talked about in the mainstream media.

By the way, I see those who attacked this consulate as a bunch of animals, and there is something beyond the spontaneous protest that seems to be at work here.

BUT, just as with fundamental Christianity, there are many Muslims who are dangerous and brainwashed children. The more we respond with violence and threatening rhetoric, the more we support these animals.

What happened to the USA that used TV series and movies to advance using the law (i.e. non violent means) to seek justice? These frustrated fundamental groups, who have witnessed much suffering inflicted by the power and wealth seeking agendas of empires such as the USA, have no other way to express themselves and seek justice other than by behaving like animals and brutally murdering and causing destruction? What avenues do they have to protest the brutal aggression of the USA empire, the insults of the video?

By the way, I do not think that Stevens was tortured or raped - the animals attacking the consulate never got close enough. The USA inflicts but does not experience what happens in situations such as this. A group of Libyans, traumatised by all the horror of the overthrow of Gaddaffi, who had no idea how to deal with basic first aid, rescued Stevens in the chaos that is the reality of the war that the USA continues to engage in, and then took him to a hospital.

We are all still so prejudiced that we acccept that two of the dead have been named, but the rest remain nameless and thus not part of our concept of humanity. Even those animals who attacked the consulate in this brutal way were born human and had names, and if we want to remain human, we need to name them and recognise them as human beings, or those who were born with the potential of being human beings. This is what will save humanity, and not retaliation, more war, and so on.

By the way, is the USA really civilised in not being able to distinguish between free speech and hate speech, the latter which promotes violence and destruction? What happened to recourse to law? In my country, which is much troubled (and thank goodness we have strict gun laws, although that does not stop the animals from gaining access to illegal weapons, which, by the way, is what the UN arms treaty is about but Americans cling to the myth that it is about what happens within the borders of the USA, which most countries in the world and the UN recognise as none of their business because they recognise the sovvereign rights of the USA), a person or group of people can prosecute a person or group of people who incite violence against another person or group of people. We discriminate between free speech and hate speech. Wake up. Hate speech leads to genocide. We need to be clear and articulate about our values. The US embassy in Cairo was, but alas it was too late, and the mighty global network of intelligence of the USA let the country down. Maybe it didn't and most people just don't get it?

Like fundamental Christians, fundamental Muslims (and this is not all Muslims) are brainwashed, prejudiced, can't reason with people - they are mindless animals.

How many more will die in this brutal way before we get it?

korgh
13th September 2012, 17:07
Well.. the question is: who controls some agencies or some Media Groups? Another agency controlled by some "obscure" coalition?
Who really needs direct intervention of USA in the Mid East? Who will gain with all of it?
Who needs wipe out some people here and there in the Mid East?
A provocative and insolent movie(if we really can call it movie this crap) was supposedly supported by an ex-CIA agent and Mossad?
Gosh... I think that all of us know who...
Is all about money and economy.. Who controls what...
Always the same story..

scarletfire
13th September 2012, 19:04
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/embassy-killings-in-libya-the-stench-of-ciamossad-false-flag/

Embassy Killings in Libya, the Stench of CIA/Mossad “False Flag”
Real Intelligence Reports at Total Odds with Reported News
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by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
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Investigations by me, published yesterday on Press TV’s website, cited “Reverand” and “Doctor” Terry Jones as the source of the videos cited for instigating violence across the Middle East.

Our investigation into Jones past showed him to be a trained CIA asset with direct ties to the Mossad. He served in Germany for years as an organizer for the CIA under the highly secret “Gladio” program until expelled by the German government.

The network news has been told to find a way to blame “Al Qaeda” on the killings at the embassy in Libya. It has now become an accepted fact that the demonstrations were orchestrated to cover the murders.

First of all as to the “film” or whatever. As news managed to get past the “controllers,” it became obvious that the “Israeli” director never existed and the film had been financed by a group out of Las Vegas in the casino business tied directly to the Romney campaign.

Much more info on link - totally credible with film clips and facts. Well done Veterans Today!

This article speaks of Terry Jones, the Koran Burning Floridian who took part in the promotion of the video used as a "spark" in the tinderbox. This article also speaks of the right wing $ faction that helped make this a reality. I find it interesting that both Terry Jones and Rush Limbaugh attended HS together, class of 1969. Looks like while some kids were getting drafted and others protesting and preparing for Woodstock, these old chums must have been recruited by a movement to move American politics over the right and keep the military industrial complex popular by means of propaganda. Am I crazy or is this a little too coincidental?
http://www.capecentralhigh.com/students/koran-burn-terry-jones-rush-limbaugh/

Cidersomerset
13th September 2012, 20:40
Presumably this was earlier....


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Streamed live on 13 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Protesters continue to rally in downtown Cairo Thursday as clashes outside US embassy continued into the early morning.
Demonstrators attacked police with stones and Molotov cocktails, injuring several dozen people.

korgh
13th September 2012, 22:10
I just pray for some serenity and clarity on their minds...

The Muslims spiritual leaders should soothe and call the people to the reason.
They must spread the word that USA is not the enemy and these acts of violence will throw us into the war.
The USA government should catch the responsible and bring them to the law, to respond for their acts.

araucaria
14th September 2012, 07:29
I'm just wondering what the deaths of two former navy seals (among those killed) had to do with this:

http://www.lemonde.fr/libye/article/2012/09/14/un-ancien-navy-seal-figure-les-victimes-de-l-attaque-de-benghazi_1760203_1496980.html

Sorry, this is in French. Their names are Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty. Doherty is said to have been in charge of locating portable anti-aircraft missile launchers in Libya, thousands of which disappeared after Gaddafi's fall.

modwiz
14th September 2012, 07:43
Yeah, the Mooslims did it.

Maybe our only ally :bad: in the Middle East will help us out? :rolleyes:

ThePythonicCow
14th September 2012, 10:43
Someone's stirring trouble, that's clear enough.

After reading parts of Embassy Killings in Libya, the Stench of CIA/Mossad “False Flag” (Gordon Duff, Veterans Today) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/embassy-killings-in-libya-the-stench-of-ciamossad-false-flag/) (already posted above in this thread), as well as Is Muhammad Movie a Contrived Fraud? (Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet) (http://www.prisonplanet.com/is-muhammad-movie-a-contrived-fraud.html) and Embassy Attacks Appear Coordinated, Not Linked To Islamic Film (Brietbart) (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id={28F1336A-11C4-45D5-ABC9-0C487FFC55A8}&title=Congressman-Embassy-Attacks-Appear-Coordinated-Not-Linked-To-Islam-Film), I gather that someone stirred up the attacks on the American embassy in Benghazi, Libya and the killing of American ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others. The motivation used to stir the attackers might have been revenge for a drone killing; the anti-Islamic film might have been prepped with Zionist money; the connection between the film and the attacks/murders made a day later through the compliant US press (CNN, in this case.)

But the real motivation is likely the Zionists trying to ignite the Middle East tinderbox, perhaps in preparation for this: Expect Israel to attack Iran before this fall's U.S. presidential election. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49771-Expect-Israel-to-attack-Iran-before-this-fall-s-U.S.-presidential-election.)

GlassSteagallfan
14th September 2012, 11:01
There is also fighting outside the US Embassy in Cairo.

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Former CIA Director Hayden: Obama to Blame for Ambassador's Death; Russians Now Rightfully Concerned About Syria

September 13, 2012 • 4:53PM

The violence in Libya that claimed the life of the U.S. ambassador was the result of President Obama's decision to intervene in the Libyan revolt without a "true or deep appreciation" for the consequences, former CIA Director (2006-2009) Michael Hayden said yesterday, continuing his recent campaign of speaking out against Obama's policies. "I'm reminded of Secretary of State Powell's comments about Iraq going back almost a decade ago — the 'Pottery Barn' theory that if you break it, you own it," Hayden said in an interview with Newsmax.com.

"Here's a case," Hayden explained, "where we went into Libya for reasons that seemed very powerful for some people at the time, almost all of them humanitarian, perhaps without a true or deep appreciation for what the secondary and tertiary effects of overthrowing Gadhafi would be. This was always the story we saw in those cell phone videos of oppressed and oppressor, but there were other stories going on too, other narratives — East versus West in Libya, tribal disputes in Libya, eastern Libya being home of the Islamic Libyan fighting group. All these subplots were always out there and once you shatter the old society, these subplots become far more powerful and now we are seeing the results of that: loss of control, manned portable air missiles, weapons from Libya being used to grab the northern half of Mali away from the Malian government, which is a good friend of the U.S."

"Now you've got a state, a heavily-armed state in Libya that is armed at the militia and tribal level," Hayden said. "I actually said when we first intervened that we now take on a moral responsibility for the future of the Libyan state and here we are."

"You've got the Russians, with some legitimacy, feeling that the U.N. Security Council resolution on Libya was bait and switch," Hayden declared. "It was never just humanitarian assistance, it was to overthrow the regime, and as for how that affects the Russians, think about Syria." Early last week, Hayden was in Israel, where he cautioned against an attack on Iran, and then on Friday, he gave a speech at the University of Michigan in which he pointed to the continuity between Presidents Bush and Obama on the war on terror, except, he pointed out, targeted killings have increased under Obama.


AND:

Al-Qaeda Openly Joins Campaign for Regime Change in Syria

September 14, 2012 • 8:30AM

The Obama Administration's campaign for regime-change in Libya was joined with fanfare yesterday, when a video was released in which Al-Qaeda leader Ayman Zawahiri came out calling for Muslims to back the rebels in Syria, and overthrow President Bashar al-Assad.

Zawahiri lied that the U.S. was propping up Assad, but he in fact was just exposing his own status as a puppet of the British global assault on national sovereignty.

The Al-Qaeda leader's call came immediately after his speech on the eve of Sept. 11, in which, according to Bruce Riedel in the Daily Beast, he called for attacks on Americans, especially in Libya. While details of the attack which killed the U.S. Ambassador there are still murky, Riedel and numerous others say that the assault appears to have been the work of armed terrorists, not a mob — and that al-Qaeda is strong in the Benghazi area.

Source: larouchepac.com

Kimberley
14th September 2012, 16:45
I like seeing articles like this one:

8 images from a pro-US demonstration in Libya

http://now.msn.com/pro-usdemonstration-in-benghazi-libya

Much love to us all!

crosby
14th September 2012, 16:58
thanks Kimberley. it is good to see that. i live in a university town and i am keeping a close eye here to see if there is any bruhahah starting up on campus. so far it is quiet. i like quiet.
warmest, corson

Fred Steeves
14th September 2012, 17:32
But the real motivation is likely the Zionists trying to ignite the Middle East tinderbox, perhaps in preparation for this: Expect Israel to attack Iran before this fall's U.S. presidential election. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49771-Expect-Israel-to-attack-Iran-before-this-fall-s-U.S.-presidential-election.)

Yes, I was starting to wonder what the "October Surprise" was going to be this go around. Nothing like some hot and contrived action in the Middle East, to divert attention away from the two goofballs running for Puppet In Chief, and QE3 The Federal Reserve swore on their mother's grave they would never, ever do.(Yawn)

It's difficult to tell which makes me more sick to my stomach. That I was still hypnotized by all this just 4 years ago, or what I can so easily see through the big con today. Strange days indeed.

ThePythonicCow
14th September 2012, 17:42
It's difficult to tell which makes me more sick to my stomach. That I was still hypnotized by all this just 4 years ago, or what I can so easily see through the big con today. Strange days indeed.
Indeed - same here.

avid
14th September 2012, 17:44
To me - it's simple! Netanyahu 'snubbed' (any excuse), the MOSSAD in cahoots with CIA trashed the compound. Murdered. What are 4 lives when we can start a vast war? Motive: WW3 is required to tie up 'loose ends'...? Banking and corporations win win win. Film funders - that Las Vegas squillionaire and AIPAC shill Adelson, backer of mafia gangster Romney. Romney illegally funded by Israel for presidency - hello...? Probably even thicker than thieves with the 'other side'. (Don't forget - 2 sides of the same coin)
Solution? Don't rise to their bait - ridicule - question - and DO NOT PARTICIPATE. Armed forces - DON'T RISE TO THE BAIT! Oathkeepers - please keep your oath. In the UK we'll go and dig to plant veggies as usual.... Pathetic!
Rant over for the time being.... (apologies to those who had sensitivities and are now pouring alkalines over my acidic rantage):rolleyes:

SilentFeathers
14th September 2012, 17:46
But the real motivation is likely the Zionists trying to ignite the Middle East tinderbox, perhaps in preparation for this: Expect Israel to attack Iran before this fall's U.S. presidential election. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49771-Expect-Israel-to-attack-Iran-before-this-fall-s-U.S.-presidential-election.)

Yes, I was starting to wonder what the "October Surprise" was going to be this go around. Nothing like some hot and contrived action in the Middle East, to divert attention away from the two goofballs running for Puppet In Chief, and QE3 The Federal Reserve swore on their mother's grave they would never, ever do.(Yawn)

It's difficult to tell which makes me more sick to my stomach. That I was still hypnotized by all this just 4 years ago, or what I can so easily see through the big con today. Strange days indeed.

Quite astonishing huh? but don't worry, it's just an illusion according the WH...


White House press secretary Jay Carney said Friday the violent protests throughout the Middle East are not directed at the United States or U.S. policy but are a response to a YouTube video:
http://freebeacon.com/carney-protests-not-directed-at-the-united-states/

I suppose killing US diplomats etc., and attacking US Embassies is just a fluke and has nothing to do with America/Americans because and due to YouTube not having any international offices anywhere.....

This is totally spiraling out of control folk's.....

UPDATE: and also....


"The White House asked YouTube to review the video to see if it was in compliance with their terms of use," White House press secretary Jay Carney said in an email.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/white-house-asked-youtube-to-review-antimuslim-film-135586.html

This is ridiculous, The Gov would pull any other video they deemed a breach of national security! But yet they are more worried about Youtubes "terms of use" with this video!!!!!

This is enough to show there's "more to the story" so to speak.

noxon medem
14th September 2012, 17:55
thanks Kimberley. it is good to see that. i live in a university town and i am keeping a close eye here to see if there is any bruhahah starting up on campus. so far it is quiet. i like quiet.
warmest, corson

like in a novel :


It was quiet , too quiet ..
September had come and gone ,
- again. Maybe we need another date ..

..
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Fred Steeves
14th September 2012, 18:10
Quite astonishing huh? but don't worry, it's just an illusion according the WH...


White House press secretary Jay Carney said Friday the violent protests throughout the Middle East are not directed at the United States or U.S. policy but are a response to a YouTube video:
http://freebeacon.com/carney-protests-not-directed-at-the-united-states/


Oh yeah, Jay Carney is a piece of work. Wouldn't you just love to somehow get the chance to ask that little sniveling tenderfoot a real question during one of those press briefings?(LOL) I wonder what would happen if say, you asked a question like: "Why does President Obama now overthrow foreign governments like Libya, on the say so of the United Nations, and not the United Stated Congress? For one, isn't that considered war? And for two, isn't that un-constitutional"?

Dare to dream.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

MorningSong
14th September 2012, 18:21
More than 11 nations are in an uproar and are attacking American, German and other "western" Embassies in their country.

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/AntiUSProtests.jpg

Many Western capitals (London, Amsterdam, Berlin...) had demonstrators in front of the American Embassies or closed as a security measure....

Just take a look at this following long list of news items on breakingnews.com (click on "show more results" at the bottom of the page to see more:

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/anti-islam-film-protests

noxon medem
14th September 2012, 18:45
..
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"United States (of) America" ( also known as USA )
seems now in the political climate of todays
to look like one of those lizzards, in size ...
that (also) blow themselves up (figuraly speaking)
maybe to look more impressive than they realy are.

something like this ?

18220
(U C?)


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Spiral
14th September 2012, 18:55
What actually happened to the Ambassador, GRAPHIC & UNPLEASANT, DONT LOOK IF YOU CANT COPE WITH SUCH THINGS http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/12/ambassador-lynched-media-caught-lying-183151/

modwiz
14th September 2012, 19:33
Someone's stirring trouble, that's clear enough.

But the real motivation is likely the Zionists trying to ignite the Middle East tinderbox, perhaps in preparation for this: Expect Israel to attack Iran before this fall's U.S. presidential election. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49771-Expect-Israel-to-attack-Iran-before-this-fall-s-U.S.-presidential-election.)

Sentence one and twoI am in full agreement with. Not sentence three. US and Israeli military are on good terms. I also believe the military cares about the civilian population. The leadership (Likud) most likely has the plans you posit, but I do not think they will find generals to follow the orders. Attacking Iran is one of the most insane concepts ever conceived. Right up there with banks regulating themselves.

modwiz
14th September 2012, 19:43
Yes, I was starting to wonder what the "October Surprise" was going to be this go around.

The real October surprise? That would be me showing up on Halloween trick-or-treating you wearing a ballet tutu.

You may have to settle for WWlll. :doh:

sdv
14th September 2012, 19:49
What are 4 lives when we can start a vast war?

Libyans were also killed in the attack on the consulate (from both sides), but they are 'them'. 'the others' so they do not have to be named.

Same old struff and nothing changes!

Fred Steeves
14th September 2012, 19:58
The real October surprise? That would be me showing up on Halloween trick-or-treating you wearing a ballet tutu.



What an odd coincidence, I was thinking about answering the door wearing nothing but my tool belt this year. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

noxon medem
14th September 2012, 20:16
..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmNK9TVbHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmNK9TVbHo
( Skeletons in the Closet )

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Cidersomerset
14th September 2012, 22:20
There is a massive cultural clash as Reema Abu Hadieh says most people no nothing about
the film other than its insulting the prophet and it comes from the US....
Its difficult because we value free speech and this is a total over reaction to most westerners'
This is a down side to global communication, that a film should cause all this!!

I understand many other reasons why people in the middle east may have a grievance
against the US, & the west but this is far more complex than it seems, as has been said on
previous posts.


JVcPskB0T3g

Published on 14 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica


Protests have occurred in Libya, Lebanon, Egypt and across the Arab World, and demonstrators are largely blaming an
American-made film that they say ridiculed the Islam religion. The film 'Innocence of Muslims'has been blamed for
protests in several countries that have caused immeasurable damage and even death. Reema Abu Hamdieh, RT Arabic
correspondence, explains why the movie has made such a mark overseas and has caused rampant anti-American
sentiments to spread violently.

bennycog
15th September 2012, 07:25
it has spread to australia now.. with a start of religious racism it can quickly turn into racism of any kind.. and with large protests showing walls of police and what looks like a small bloody battle within.. the images can conjur up anger deep within people, that can be released without thinking about it.. kinda scary..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8533359/muslim-protesters-clash-with-police-in-sydney

A demonstration between a large crowd of Muslim protesters has turned violent this afternoon, with police deploying dogs and capsicum spray to disperse the crowd.

Nine News helicopter footage has captured a handful of people in a crowd of hundreds throwing objects at riot police in Sydney's CBD.

The above stream contains footage taken on live on the ground. The video may be intermittent and may contain offensive material. Viewer discretion is advised.

The crowd began marching from Hyde Park to the US consulate in Martin Place before being confronted by a wall of police on George Street.

Officers were seen using capsicum spray on members of the crowd, causing the group to disperse.

Some demonstrators were seen standing between the police and more agitated protesters in an effort to calm the crowd.

VIDEO: Police and protesters clashing in Sydney

Speakers at the demonstration also appealed for calm, asking protesters to pray.

The Sydney Morning Herald reported that an injured protester being taken away by ambulance spat at police and shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great").

An ambulance spokeswoman said one person was treated at the scene for a head injury and taken to St Vincent's Hospital in a stable condition at about 1.55pm.

Among posters held by demonstrators were ones bearing phrases like "Behead all those who insult the Prophet".

Many in the group then headed to Hyde Park, where police are now gathering.

A police media spokesman told ninemsn it was believed the protesters had marched on the US consulate but they were still awaiting details from officers at the scene.

"We believe they made their way to Martin Place to attend the US consulate and then they were moving on to Hyde Park," the spokesman said.

The protests are in response to a highly controversial movie made by an Egyptian filmmaker living in the US that insults the Prophet Mohammed.

Uproar over the film, called Innocence of Muslims, saw the US consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi stormed.

Four Americans and ten Libyans were killed in the violence.
http://images.ninemsn.com.au/resizer.aspx?url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/2012/national/1509_protest1_sp.jpg&width=310

and all started from a crappy z grade spoof movie..


http://www.savetubevideo.com/?v=ntgzoE7rU9A&feature=player_embedded

just one of the many things around that we need to keep another eye on.. got the feeling we need more than eyes in the back of our heads...


EDIT: meant to put this in before.. dutch and another dude is talking about a vid 1 hr long.. not sure if it is the one above or not..


http://www.savetubevideo.com/?v=bPOEu-buHHQ&feature=player_profilepage

what they talk about is why it was still up on youtube for so long and not taken down even though it had blatant abuse of racism and religous attacks..

sdv
15th September 2012, 08:52
Its difficult because we value free speech and this is a total over reaction to most westerners'
This is a down side to global communication, that a film should cause all this!!

This is indeed about a lot more than a movie. There is a lot of resentment about the arrogant interference of Westerners.

Take the issue of free speech. Like evangelicals you blindly want to impose this on everyone and 'liberate' the world. There are countries in the world who believe that free speech should be tempered with wisdom and respect, and there are places in the world where there is a lot of discontent and free speech that incites hatred and prejudice always leads to violence and destruction. Maybe the West think that they are superior, and that we are too stupid and immature to be able to handle free speech, but we think that a civilised society embraces the values of respect, especially for differences.

Unfortunately in this global world of the Internet, this kind of hate propoganda (in the movie) is difficult to contain, and those that are deeply offended by it have no legal means of recourse. But, as I said, there is deep resentment underlying these protests. There are 120 countries that belong to the Non-Aligned Movement, and the values of that movement are non-interference, respecting the sovereign rights of each country, and so on. It is sad that Westerners don't even hear what most of the world is trying to say.

In my country we think that many laws in the USA are barbaric (the death penalty, discrimination against gays, denying women the right to have an abortion, allowing everyone and anyone to have as many guns as they wantand so on) but we respect the rights of Americans to choose to live how they want to within their own country. If Romney becomes president will he bring his military here and force us to live by American rules and thus 'liberate' us?

Also, although most Westerners are probably completely unaware of this, all over the world groups of people are choosing to use violence and destruction to express their frustrations, to forcefully make demands. These people watch TV where they see war, war, war. We have a generation who have grown up seeing and experiencing violence. Hilary Clinton recently did a world tour where she tried to convey the message of democracy and peace. It's a bit late you know, especially from a country that acts as if might is right and uses violence to promote that!

It is so sad that an ambassador who was trying to promote the values of respect and dignity and friendship lost his life because of the actions of a violent mob that hijacked a legitimate protest, a violent mob that don't have a clue about respect and dignity and friendship.

161803398
15th September 2012, 09:43
Hilary Clinton recently did a world tour where she tried to convey the message of democracy and peace. I guess you saw the video of Hilary saying about Gaddafi "we came; we saw; he died" and now she's trying to convey a message of democracy and peace? She is ludicrous.

Cidersomerset
15th September 2012, 10:04
Its spreading to other western embassies

abHHE8VNrs4

Published on 14 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Angry demonstrations against an anti-Islam film spread to their widest extent yet around the Middle East and other Muslim countries on Friday.
Protesters smashed into the German Embassy in the Sudanese capital and set part of it on fire, and climbed the walls of the US embassy in Tunis.

Investigative journalist Gareth Porter talks to RT. He says the series of attacks on US embassies across Arab world should be a wake-up call
-- a red light flashing - for the national security elite in the US..

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Published on 14 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


The wave of anti-American protests is sweeping across the Muslim world with unprecedented force this Friday. The US embassies in Tunisia and Sudan are under attack, and over in Lebanon one person's reportedly been killed after a mob set fire to a KFC restaurant.

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Published on 15 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Furious crowds attacking American embassies across the Islamic world are refusing to scale down the protests, which continue to claim lives.

In Egypt, demonstrators angry over a U.S.-made film mocking Islam, are in a stand-off with police for a fourth day.

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Published on 15 Sep 2012 by RussiaToday


Washington has deployed its marines across the Arab world, to protect U.S. missions, while the White House struggles to contain the fallout.

America's leadership has condemned the film, and stressed it had nothing to do with it.

But as RT's Gayane Chichakyan reports, the video is not the only grievance the protesters have against the U.S..

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Its 'CIADA' that organised it......AlQaeda are being blamed like 9/11 ,7/7 ......I'm a bit dissapointed I was hopeing RT would know better, but maybe they are just reporting
what is being put out by the authorities !

bennycog
15th September 2012, 10:32
well if they have been spraying the skys to turn people into aggressors and using that to try to take control by any means they wish.. i would say they are getting there..

Rollo
15th September 2012, 13:44
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• Kuwait: Kuwait City | الصفحة العربية
• Lebanon: Beirut | عربي
• Libya: Tripoli | عربي
• Morocco: Rabat | Français
• Morocco: Casablanca
• Oman: Muscat | الصفحة العربية
• Qatar: Doha | عربي
• Saudi Arabia: Riyadh | الصفحة العربية
• Saudi Arabia: Dhahran
• Saudi Arabia: Jeddah | الصفحة العربية
• Syria: Damascus | الصفحة العربية
• Tunisia: Tunis | Français | عربي
• United Arab Emirates: Abu Dhabi
• United Arab Emirates: Dubai
• Yemen: Sana'a | الصفحة العربية


Source: http://www.usembassy.gov/

ThePythonicCow
15th September 2012, 13:52
WEBSITES OF U.S. EMBASSIES, CONSULATES, AND DIPLOMATIC MISSIONS

...
Source: http://www.usembassy.gov/

100% PROPAGANDA
If one follows the link you provided, one will see the same list (as you know), but with each entry an active link to that embassy's website.

What's posted above is just the embassy locations (country:city), without the active links to the websites.


Libya: Tripoli | عربي There is no US mission in Benghazi
I suspect it is more likely that the US mission in Benghazi doesn't have a website :).

The website for the US embassy in Tripoli makes several mentions of the US mission in Benghazi.

Rollo
15th September 2012, 14:38
You are right Paul;)

modwiz
15th September 2012, 20:44
We have, before our eyes, a case of arson. The focus is on the fire, presently a conflagration. Who benefits?

The smirking arsonist and accomplices. Sympathizers too.

Smirking has a way of being short lived. Especially when found out. Rioting Mooslims will provide ample distraction for some time yet.

Distraction for the already distracted.

bennycog
17th September 2012, 11:09
this kind of action could incite a real negative outcome..
now is this footage used to create anger amongst the muslim population or to create a spark in others into pushing this agenda further?
i understand that the term "jihad" has a couple of meanings and i am afraid this is being portrayed for the worst, as in -death to the western world- because that is what the western world has been taught to think of jihad. when it might not be that at all, as she says nothing about war..

what she says is that the demonstrations show that they are all together as one.. i did not detect a push for war..

but the child holding the beheading banner is awful i have to say.. the parents of that child really need to be punished in some way if it is true..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8534250/video-emerges-of-sydney-girl-promoting-jihad

Video footage has emerged of a young girl speaking of her love for jihad at a Muslim conference in western Sydney as the city continues to deal with the fallout from the weekend’s violent riots.

Eight-year-old Ruqaya yesterday addressed a crowd at the Australian chapter of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Bankstown as part of their "Muslims Rise" conference, Nine News reports.

Ruqaya spoke of her love for jihad, which means a spiritual struggle or holy war, the global Islam community, known as Ummah, and the violent uprisings in Syria.

"These uprisings have demonstrated that this Ummah is alive and well, that her sentiments are for Islam, her love is for Jihad, she has unshackled herself from the fear which she held," she said.

"Children as young as myself can be seen on the streets joining the uprisings, risking their lives to bring food, water and medicine to their wounded family members, some of them never returning to their mothers ... Nobody is too young. "

The alarming video comes as NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell ordered Family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward to investigate the background of a young child who was pictured at the riots holding a posters ordering the beheading of anyone against the prophet.

"We cannot incite our children to violence for any reason, and we cannot use our children to promote messages that incite people to violence," Ms Goward said.

Seventeen people were injured and six were arrested and charged on Saturday, including champion boxer Ahmed Elomar.

The immediate priority for NSW detectives on Monday was to trace the as-yet-unidentified figures who used text messages and social networking sites to organise the protests, which quickly escalated into a riot.

Messages urged recipients to "defend the honour of the Prophet" and led dozens of people, mostly Muslim men, to gather in central Sydney and voice anger at the Innocence of Muslims movie.

Muslim leaders say they remain mystified about the identity of the protest organisers.

Sydney Lebanese community spokesman Keysar Trad said he received a text message on Friday urging recipients to "defend the honour of the Prophet" in Sydney's CBD.

But he did not know who sent the message and he condemned the resulting violence.

"This was the dumbest thing that young people could do - all they've done is publicised a film that doesn't deserve to be publicised," Mr Trad told AAP.

The president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, Samier Dandan, told the ABC he also did not know the source of the messages, despite many inquiries.

Authorities are bracing for more clashes, although NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione says he hopes the voice of reason will prevail.

"If anyone is stupid enough to try this sort of thing again, I can tell you now, we're more than ready," Mr Scipione told Macquarie Radio.

noxon medem
17th September 2012, 20:05
Who knows, maybe this terrible death is planned to send even more troops and start another war so much wanted by the cabal. You know those types, they killed US citizens in WTC without any problems to get the world on the war on terror band wagon.

Who get sendt in "war" .
All the valuable "youth" .

Possibly to die , certainly to suffer .
For ...

The gutless coward leaders and kings
send the best of their opposition ,
the honest and the just citizens .
The ones who could make a working
alternative to the ruling (guiding?) "system".

This has allways been part of the
pathetic wharemongering "kings",
way of ego ... and strategy .
( well , no more !)

That is a part of this change in paradigm.
- You are in charge now .

Soon is a "lie" . It is now

Be (a) well , brothers and sisters .

..
-

nm