Scientology's core belief makes sense.

[truth4me]

I've been looking into Scientology and it's core belief that we are E.T's trapped here on Earth makes sense IMHO. Now I'm not here to promote Scientology or Tom Cruise nor John Travolta but before I even read about Scientology I thought that we were E.T's from other worlds who came to planet Earth. Here's wikipedia's page on Scientology and tell me if the first paragraph makes sense to you or not....

wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_beliefs_and_practices

[donk]

The "core belief" of anything that more than a handful of people keep around for more than a minute has to have some nugget of believability, if not "truth", to hold up. It's how that core belief is used (& twisted) that causes problems.

It is why discernment is key: I threw the baby (Jesus) out with the bathwater, so to speak--cuz I was taught it by Catholics in their instution...I missed out on the core beliefs--the love and life of Christ, the path he walked, the profound truths buried in the tool of control.

Look deeper into the institution of Scientology--John Travolta and Tom Cruise don't get the same teaching method as the children bought into the seaorg or whatever.

...or, take the works of LRH (now affordably out of the cult's control) and discern what you can from them, there's lots of good stuff, just like in the other holy texts. You may or may not want to look into the man himself, to see where he is coming from. Some sort of military man, buddies with Jack Parsons and Al Crowley if I remember correctly.

I used to be fascinated by it, both the "core beliefs", and the cult as described by recovered Scientologists. I came to the conclusion that it is really no different (maybe a little more up-to-date, at the time) from Christianity.

Hell, (pun intended), the Church of Satan has a lot of "core beliefs" that make sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

From the "commandments":

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.

Or how about this:

The Nine Satanic Sins:
Stupidity
Pretentiousness
Solipsism
Self-deceit
Herd Conformity
Lack of Perspective
Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride
Lack of Aesthetics

Not to derail your thread...I think it is important to look at ALL spiritual beliefs...you will find that there has to be SOMETHING that made sense to SOMEONE in order for it to exist. And it is important to discern if that SOMETHING is an attempt to control or persuade or enslave by that SOMEONE, or if they are just sharing ideas/information/knowledge.

[conk]

LRH was on the leading edge of those who embraced the idea of subtle energies, trapped energy packets, and emotional energy blockages, and how they affect physical health. He developed or at least sanctioned very effective detox protocols. His lengthy sauna sessions after taking niacin are known to be extremely effective at releasing toxins and traces of pharma drugs. Read the early versions of Dynetics for some interesting ideas and concepts. Don't be swayed by the forces that assumed control of Scientology, likely The Medical Mafia wanting to silence the means of restoring good physical and mental health inexpensively.

[truth4me]

thetan=The being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body. - wikipedia.org/wiki/thetan

I believe this for on a number of astral travel experiences I have "came back into my body" and was fully conscious yet my body was asleep. I had to force my body to wake up!

This awakening stuff is getting very interesting to say the least.

I'm going to really look into this stuff BUT will go in there with caution to myself.......it sure looks like something I've been looking for. Hubbard's space opera material is awesome.......

[johnf]

If you ask a hundred different people who were curious about a belief system attached to a powerful group, you will get a number of answers.
I spent a long time around this particular belief system, however most of it was outside the church, in what is known as the free zone.
To get the interest of millions of people and get them to invest as much time, energy and money in it as say Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, The United States of America, or even Project Avalon, you need a coherent structure made of several important truths.

All of these things have some take on our inherent nature as free beings as part of that core structure.
Scientology is based on an axiom that describes the source of life. It is in Scientology 0-8: The Book of Basics

Axiom 1. LIFE IS BASICALLY STATIC. Definition: a Life Static has no mass, no motion, no wave-length, no location in space or in time. It has the ability to postulate and to perceive.

This is a very accurate description of the silent awareness behind everything else we have ever believed ourselves to be.
If you look through a number religious or spiritual texts this idea is in many or perhaps all of them that have become religions or movements.The potentialy dangerous part of it is where it describes the singularity of this static. I currently find no value in defining whether there are a huge number of these staics or if there is one huge one, both of those are identities, that when latched onto can spawn all the ills of existence.

The other thing you find in many of these things is a story of creation, and an explanation of a war between two cosmological good guys and bad guys. As soon as you latch onto any idea of this kind you become fodder for those in a group who are there for power, and you become soldiers for those peoples personal advancement and can wind up fighting for the taking away of thier rights to look at life for themselves, and make thier own decisions.

In the OP the idea that we are ET's that are trapped here by others, is stated as a truth. I have beleived that for a long time but no longer do. This idea has a brother idea in the belief system and that is that the physical universe is a trap for spirits and there has been an eternal war between matter and spirit. When i act as if this idea is true I feel obligated to wage war with my fellow beings, and have bought into the idea that I am a vitim of others.
The funny thing about Scientology is that there is another idea that is quite contrary to this, that is that the physical unvirse is a game, it was created to experience things more intensely and with a more permanent playground than anything that existed before. It was a way to express the highest truths and create things of beauty to be enjoyed and eperienced by all of us together. The higher behaiviors of particular Scientologists that I experienced came from living as if this was the greater truth, and the other ideas about traps and huge scale universal wars were just temporary hiccups in the larger scheme of the enjoyment of existence.

In the aftermath of my search in organizations and belief systems for truth, I have found solace in the non duality ideas.
They have been the best antidote for any belief system i find myself drawn into. And for me that is the key, to accept that I will continually have to feel the need for an tidy explanation for things, and the hunger for pat answers and an idea of how things should turn out, those things are a natural part of being aware, and of being a human being . It is a tall order indeed to stay out of other peoples battles and just be a plain and ordinary human being who knows it is something far beyond that.

[johnf]

thetan=The being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body. - wikipedia.org/wiki/thetan

I believe this for on a number of astral travel experiences I have "came back into my body" and was fully conscious yet my body was asleep. I had to force my body to wake up!


This awakening stuff is getting very interesting to say the least.

I'm going to really look into this stuff BUT will go in there with caution to myself.......it sure looks like something I've been looking for. Hubbard's space opera material is awesome.......

It really amazes me what has become of the act of defining the looker in a study of what could have been and remained a systematic practice of pure and honest looking at oneself and ones existence. Thetan (pronounced thay-tan, not theet-tan) is a definition that often gets taken on as an identity. Ashayana Deane (one of Kerry's interveiwee's) goes so far as to say that there is a cosmic group that goes by that name, that is behind the COS. Here you have a hint at the possible reality of a huge extradimensional, as well as extrterrestrial war, as well as a hook into a faction of it.
To consider oneself a thetan is a useful tool I think however buyer beware.
Like you, Truthforme, I have had obe experiences where I experienced myself as outside of the body, however they usually included a sense of being a veiwer of something that was separate from the body, and had had actually created that "astral" self, and had the power to discreate it as well. That is something that is just naturally there and knows stuff far beyond what I have ever become "aware" of at any particular time. This other thing seems to have a lot of power, and I seem to have delegated a lot of things to it so it could help me experience being in physical form and keep my body alive etc in order to experience and share with "others".
I have read a lot of material by Robert Monroe, and I think that he tapped into a reality that many have experienced. He talks about the belief system realities, for a lack of a better word we could call these heavens, or afterlifes that are large spiritual worlds that form around the original teachers of various groups. This idea is also talked about at length by the Falundafa books. That teacher says that if you follow a certain path, you will wind up in the spritual "place" associated with that path after you die. I beleive that the human teacher, who has reached a certain level of awareness carries immense power with their teachings, and what most people do with that is help create a universe around them that has a tendency to look like the ultimate destination.
In a sense it only takes one aware person to be a teacher, but it takes thousands or more to create a leader. We can see some rather comedic playings out of this dynamic in our everyday life where people believe one person is far more than just another person. Well many not so funny really, but if we keep a sense of humor about even these huge tragedies such as countries going to war, and cults massacring themselves, we can steer clear of such things and keep following our urge to be more aware.

I am not a thetan, but I am that which can look. There is a scale of awareness in Scientology that I still find very helpful it is the Know to Mystery scale. It has looking , and knowing at the upper end of the scale. Below that are things like know about, and Scientology as well as any other study spends most of it's time at that level out of necessity I think. I once heard it said that know about is the highest we can get in the physical universe, and fro mthat level we get our professions and abilities to help each other in physical ways. This study has been used to own and control other beings, just like every study before I think. So again I would urge anyone looking into it to stay as independent of groups as possible.
Finally, Dianetics and Scientology are systematized methods of looking that I beleive have a tendency to solidify the intellect. They require thousands of hours of processing to get to the levels taught in the Ron's Org Groups, and, having known several practitioners of that extended system I must say they have a tendency to have pretty complicated minds, and need something much more focussed on feeling emotions to balance out all that stringently controlled looking. I have found a method for myself called the unfindable inquiry, and it has been fairly useful, however the price of sessions has increased alarmingly, and I am getting slightly leary of that aspect of the practice. These things do require an intense training regime to get someone to the point where they can get the client through what is obviously some very powerful things in their own minds and emotions, so I try to keep that in mind, as I do see some marked improvements happening around the practice.

So I wish anyone the best who wants to look into any spiritual practice but the botttom line is allways stay aware, insist on your right to communicate, and remember nobody has ownership of the truth.

[scott12133]

I think Bill had some very interesting information on scientology some where on this forum

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I was at a mind body spirit festival not long ago. I was a facilitator for a company and front man and in my breaks i went to visit other stall vendors. I came across the scientology stand and thougt id have some fun

The gentleman asked me to old the electrical unit and think of something stressful. before i did this i switched on my third eye and his meter went whacko! I mean he couldnt calibrate it at all. He was asking me what i was thinking of and i said nothing, because my mind was blank.
He was perplexed and got another machine as he thought it was faulty. Ok onto the second machine and sure enough i started to pulse it on and off to my tapping foot.

He asked me what i was doing. I said i was turning my third eye on nd off to the beat of my foot. He was astounded, he said can you make it stop, and so i did and the meter stood still, he said make it move again, so i made it go off the chart. He shook his head saying he had never whitnessed it before. I told him the device was attuned to pick up electromagnetic pulses from the third eye.
So the stres meter is really only picking up third eye mental activity.

I asked him if i could buy one to experiment with and he looked at me stangely. I told him id promise to keep it stored next to my original Captain James T Kirk figurine originl still in package from 1979! And he still said no. Boring

No offende to the scientologists out there.

But its been debunked

N :-)

[Kindling]

I've been looking into Scientology and it's core belief that we are E.T's trapped here on Earth makes sense IMHO. Now I'm not here to promote Scientology or Tom Cruise nor John Travolta but before I even read about Scientology I thought that we were E.T's from other worlds who came to planet Earth. Here's wikipedia's page on Scientology and tell me if the first paragraph makes sense to you or not....

wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_beliefs_and_practices

Yes, it makes sense to me. I was drawn to the organization many years ago (many cause I'm old - lol) and I tend now to keep what helped me on my path and have let go of what didn't help me. I'm certainly not a *Scientologist* :-). BUT it wasn't all bad. Was pretty much my first truth-seeking experience in my mid teens and I value what I learned. Great posts JohnF, very thought provoking!!

Scott, Bill interviewed Dane Tops, and it was really interesting. Found the link: http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/dane_tops_en.html

[donk]

But its been debunked

C'mon...that would be like saying you debunked Catholicism by scientifically proving nothing physically changed in the wafer when the priest performed the communion ritual.

The problem with the "church" is not all the little details you can knit pick as being wrong, the problem is the control and profit driven bastardization of the message, which is worse than the other fundamental problem of "no one can get everything right" as Bill likes to say.

Discernment-- with everything is important.
Cuz everything is important
Not that anything really matters :p

[Nanoo Nanoo]

But its been debunked

C'mon...that would be like saying you debunked Catholicism by scientifically proving nothing physically changed in the wafer when the priest performed the communion ritual.

The problem with the "church" is not all the little details you can knit pick as being wrong, the problem is the control and profit driven bastardization of the message, which is worse than the other fundamental problem of "no one can get everything right" as Bill likes to say.

Discernment-- with everything is important.
Cuz everything is important
Not that anything really matters :p

I was referring to the stress testing machine :-)

Hugs

N
N

[Fred Steeves]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who actually joins Scientology is just begging for trouble. That being said, it by no means implies that some of the staples of Scientology have no merit. Far from it. Ever hear of an "engram" for instance? This desrciption from "Dianetics" makes a lot of sense to me.




http://www.authenticscientology.org/img/scientology-q_b.jpg
What is an engram?



http://www.authenticscientology.org/img/scientology-q_a.jpg
The reactive mind does not store memories as we know them. It stores particular
types of mental image pictures called engrams. Engrams are a complete
recording, down to the last accurate detail, of every perception present in a
moment of partial or full “unconsciousness.”


“Unconsciousness” could be caused by the shock of an accident, anesthetic
used for an operation, the pain of an injury or the delirium of illness. During
these times, the analytical mind shuts down in full or in part and the reactive
mind cuts in, in full or in part. An engram exists below the individual’s
awareness level yet it can be activated so as to enforce its content, and can
cause unevaluated, unknowing and unwanted fears, emotions, pains and
psychosomatic illnesses.


For example, a man playing baseball is hit in the head by a pitcher’s ball
and knocked out. Someone yells out to the pitcher, “You are no good.” Although
the man is unconscious, these words and everything else going on are recorded
in an engram; the smell of the dirt where he lay, the feeling of sweat on his
brow and the sensation of heat from the afternoon sun. Months or even years
after the incident, while watching a baseball game, many of these factors
recorded in the engram are present in his current environment. These can
restimulate the engram. The man suddenly and inexplicably gets a headache. He
might also feel that he was “no good.” This engram in the reactive mind has
been restimulated. The reactive mind is attempting to “prevent” the man from
“getting himself into danger.” The reactive mind is not very intelligent.
http://www.authenticscientology.org/page04.htm

Here's another one. They were dead set against psychiatry, and giving drugs to kids, long before most people really had any idea of how dangerous these practices are. So whether it be Scientology, Freemasonry, church, magick, or whatever, take what works for you and leave the rest behind. There are truths to be uncovered in everything.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/nod.gif

Cheers,
Fred

[Hervé]

The stress test machine is called an E-Meter, that is, an Electropsycho-Meter. What it reads on/measure is added electrical impulse or added resistance in the circuit established by the electrodes (the "cans") with the body. With that "Meter," Hubbard discovered that a "thought" generates an electrical impulse in the body, fine-tuned it to eliminate/filter out interferences from other sources and started up the chain of who/what does the "thinking." That's where the word "thetan" came from since the Greek alphabet letter that stands for "thought" is "theta."

As for the third eye,Hubbard discovered something about it that certainly won't make him popular with the "Love and lighters" and that is that the so-called third eye is an engramic implant... so that anyone attempting to "open their third eye" triggers that implant and find themselves right in the middle of it and SUBJECT TO IT. Good job for anyone who managed to get out of it.



Edit:

Engramic means that hypnotic commands/orders are implanted in someones mind during an incident involving pain and unconsciousnes (see Fred Steeves post above) and, also, more often that not, it involves drugging to reach levels of deep unconsciousness. Electroschocks are often used to induce a level of excruciating pain as well... see the job performed by a certain Dr. Cameron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron) at MacGill University for the CIA.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think hubbard, like the stress test machine, perhaps didnt get it quite right.

:-)

Amzer Zo , question, are you from irish blood?

( no sarcasm intended, when i read your words it was heard in my head in an irish tone )

[Hervé]

Amzer Zo , question, are you from irish blood?

( no sarcasm intended, when i read your words it was heard in my head in an irish tone )

Nop!

However, Celtic, yes.

[truth4me]

Thanks everyone for the fine replys on this topic. Fred's advice is spot on- take what works with me and leave the rest behind. We all have these abilities-astral projecting,making things appear out of nowhere,moving things etc;

The thing that trips me out is if we are these super adavanced spirit beings did we ask to come to planet Earth and be a part of the game? You got to admit if we did it's one helluva game we are in.I mean this planet Earth game is rough and being down here without our true powers intact is like asking Babe Ruth to hit a homerun but without a bat to hit it with......unless of course we can make one appear out of nowhere....if I could just remember.....damn aliens....

[Hervé]

[...]

As for the third eye, Hubbard discovered something about it that certainly won't make him popular with the "Love and lighters" and that is that the so-called third eye is an engramic implant... so that anyone attempting to "open their third eye" triggers that implant and find themselves right in the middle of it and SUBJECT TO IT. Good job for anyone who managed to get out of it.

Edit:

Engramic means that hypnotic commands/orders are implanted in someones mind during an incident involving pain and unconsciousnes (see Fred Steeves post above) and, also, more often that not, it involves drugging to reach levels of deep unconsciousness. Electroschocks are often used to induce a level of excruciating pain as well... see the job performed by a certain Dr. Cameron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron) at MacGill University for the CIA.

Corroboration of the above from unexpected quarters:


[...]

YOU ARE A STARGATE


The most shocking aspect of this Disclosure is it proves that you already have a working stargate custom-built into your own brain.

The trick, really, is how to switch it on -- and use it. Every ancient religion, including Christianity, discusses this.

Jesus says that "if thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light" in Matthew 6:22. The Book of Revelation speaks of the "Mark of the Beast" as a dark area on the forehead.

People who have little or no connection to their Higher Self would appear to have a dark spot on their forehead when you are looking at their "aura" -- which apparently is quite easy to do within the realms of 3D time.

Many ancient prophecies suggest that our pineal glands will be "activated" by energetic changes that will occur at the end of this year, 2012.

[...]

Full article: http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1090-disclosurecamelot

That's quite a revealing clue since it directly points at what/who the "Beast" is/are... the implant and therefore the implanters... and their armies of programmed skull-dwelling zombies!

The caveat is how to switch on one's third eye without triggering/ activating/ re-stimulating the implant and its hypnotic commands/ orders/ actions/ inhibitions.

[berry]

So much data rings true for me, as well. I was in Scientology for about 20 yrs. There is a wealth of information that is helpful, beneficial to mankind. There came a point, when the new Czar took over, where a lot of the data was changed. The results were
catastrophic. This has happened to many of the Religions.

[Camilo]

LRH was able to tap and talk about secret teachings of all ages in a new fashion that made sense to the times he lived on, and touched and changed many lives for good. His mark still can be felt in the fabric of time and space.