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bogeyman
17th September 2012, 23:57
It seems to me with the closure of the United States and allied forces present in Iraq and Afghanistan coming to ahead, and the economic belts of the western world being tighten, the US military and some of those in the administration, will have to find some way of justifying the huge military budget. So another conflict must be found........

Does not it seem odd that Israel and the United States seem to be waiting for Iran to develop an alleged nuclear device in order to preceded with an agenda to launch a strike on Iran, and hence others that support the regime? It seems they are looking for enemies or creating enemies for future conflict.

" Former Ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, offered a dire prediction of a U.S. confrontation with Iran, saying it could escalate into war as early as next year.

"I'm afraid that 2013 is going to be a year in which we're going to have a military confrontation with Iran," he said Sunday on "Face the Nation."

Indyk joined a roundtable of foreign policy experts to discuss the latest protests in the Middle East and Israel's public statements pressuring the United States over Iran.

The former ambassador said the time has not come, yet, that the U.S. needs to take military action. "Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon," he said. [W]hile there's still time, there's not a lot of time." "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57513809/ex-ambassador-to-israel-u.s-will-go-to-war-with-iran-in-2013/

WhiteFeather
18th September 2012, 00:25
It has nothing to do with Nukes. Hence Iraq and 911. They are only looking to install the proverbial global ponzi scheme banking infrastructure in Iran. This global bank needs Iran desperately. As they are running out of finances real fast. China and Russia just may support Iran here. As nations are growing tired of the bully and Bullsh!t of US and Britain. And the bully will eventually get knocked on its ass. Karmas a Bitch.

WhiteFeather
18th September 2012, 00:31
And If The US and Britain were smart they wouldnt F..k with China and Russia. China is a superpower in itself.

iceman
18th September 2012, 01:28
good point white feather they could be opening up a can of worms they can't close with screwing with china and russia
sometimes i fear for my young children and what there future might hold and hope that does not include a pointless work.

Referee
18th September 2012, 03:25
If you have not seen this video imo it is very informative on this situatuation.

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Nickolai
18th September 2012, 16:25
Hi Guys!

That came to my Facebook!


US & UK lead Hormuz power play as Israel's Iran strike rhetoric rises

A major international armada of naval power has massed off the Iranian coast for what's believed to be the biggest military exercise ever seen in the region. The American and British-led show of force near the strategic Strait of Hormuz comes as Israel has ramped up its warmongering rhetoric against Tehran. And as Sara Firth explains, there are further indications that a showdown with Iran may be on the cards.

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Let's hope that will pass away peacefully!

Nickolai

Nickolai
18th September 2012, 16:39
My friend's friends family lives in Israel. I do worry about them. However I wonder if the general population agree with the policy of the country.
I guess many people will eventually die. Israel, keeping in mind that it's incircled by the Arab States, has little chances.
But that is just my opinion....

Nickolai

sdv
18th September 2012, 18:54
1. As a signatory of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, Iran does not have the right to develop nuclear weapons.


The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT, is a landmark international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.

2. There is no proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, other than accusations coming from the USA, Israel and other countries who are not signatories to this treaty.


Iran states it has a legal right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes under the NPT, and further says that it "has constantly complied with its obligations under the NPT and the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency". Iran also states that its enrichment program is part of its civilian nuclear energy program, which is allowed under Article IV of the NPT. The Non-Aligned Movement has welcomed the continuing cooperation of Iran with the IAEA and reaffirmed Iran's right to the peaceful uses of nuclear technology. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has welcomed the continued dialogue between Iran and the IAEA, and has called for a peaceful resolution to the issue.

3. The history is complex:


The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program. The participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Iranian Revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.
After the 1979 revolution, the clandestine research program was disbanded by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who had serious religious reservations about nuclear weapons, which he considered evil in terms of Muslim jurisprudence. Small scale research restarted during the Iran-Iraq War, and underwent significant expansion after the Ayatollah's death in 1989. Iran's nuclear program has included several research sites, two uranium mines, a research reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include three known uranium enrichment plants.
After delays, Iran's first nuclear power plant, Bushehr I reactor was complete with major assistance of Russian government agency Rosatom and officially opened on 12 September 2011. Iran has announced that it is working on a new 360 MW nuclear power plant to be located in Darkhovin. Iran has also indicated that it will seek more medium-sized nuclear power plants and uranium mines in the future.
In November 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors rebuked Iran following an IAEA report detailing how Iran had undertaken research and experiments geared to developing a nuclear weapons capability. For the first time, the IAEA report outlines, in depth, the country’s detonator development, the multiple-point initiation of high explosives, and experiments involving nuclear payload integration into a missile delivery vehicle. Iran rejected the details of the report and accused the IAEA of pro-Western bias and threatened to reduce its cooperation with the IAEA.

4. Would not diplomacy through states who have signed the treaty and through the NAM, achieve more than the posturing of states who refuse to sign the treaty? This is one article amongst many that discusses why Iran is mistrustful of inspections: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0412/Iran-nuclear-talks-Why-the-trust-gap-is-so-great


They accuse the IAEA of breaking its own rules, by exposing secret information gleaned during inspections that, they charge, has been grist for hostile intelligence agencies seeking regime change in Iran.

5. Here is an opinion piece on this issue, and there are many others. Sanctions imposed, without any proof for justification, are a crime against humanity that hurt civilians, not only in Iran, but also for Iran's trading partners. Who is driving this war against Iran and why?

http://www.dailykashmirimages.com/news-back-into-a-corner-24484.aspx

6. You might find the following interesting - look at the red and see who bullies into submission the rest of the world (with yellow going along with that):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nwfz.svg

nomadguy
19th September 2012, 02:33
Sigh... meanwhile > H R 4133
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4133/text
H.R. 4133: United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012

The train rolls on... towards the cliff. Or brick wall... however you choose to see it.