“The Sunburn Missile": ...Could Defeat The US In The Gulf

[GlassSteagallfan]

“The Sunburn Missile: The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf”

excerpt from article:

The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload or a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes “violent end maneuvers” to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder “just in time.”

The Sunburn’s combined supersonic speed and payload size produce tremendous kinetic energy on impact, with devastating consequences for ship and crew. A single one of these missiles can sink a large warship, yet costs considerably less than a fighter jet. Although the Navy has been phasing out the older Phalanx defense system, its replacement, known as the Rolling Action Missile (RAM) has never been tested against the weapon it seems destined to one day face in combat. Implications For US Forces in the Gulf

The US Navy’s only plausible defense against a robust weapon like the Sunburn missile is to detect the enemy’s approach well ahead of time, whether destroyers, subs, or fighter-bombers, and defeat them before they can get in range and launch their deadly cargo. For this purpose US AWACs radar planes assigned to each naval battle group are kept aloft on a rotating schedule. The planes “see” everything within two hundred miles of the fleet, and are complemented with intelligence from orbiting satellites.

Full article here - a lengthy read: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/the-sunburn-missile-the-weapon-that-could-defeat-the-us-in-the-gulf/21485/

[jagman]

Wont happen. The US and Israel both have laser tech, That can shoot down anything that they can muster up. For that matter One of our Aircraft carrriers possess enough fire power to lay waste to an entire country!
This is what they will admit too having.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cCBwLJjzDJQ

[GlassSteagallfan]

Good reply Jagman.
The concern is that the Sunburn is a supersonic cruise missle. The MTHEL video was destroying ariel projectiles. But I agree, this is only what they will tell us.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dr Bill Deagle has said many times that the Russian missiles are no match for American missile defense systems.

I was also talking with George Green about this, whose son worked in Russia for a while in one of their Naukograds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naukograd) (science cities). He said that his son had reported that the Russians were "twelve years ahead" of the Americans.

Note that this discussion does not take into account highly classified advanced technology, which both countries (and China) have. That kind of weaponry, including high-powered lasers, particle beams, space-based systems, and god knows what else, may or may not be deployed in a shooting war -- depending on what the actual agenda is.

[13th Warrior]

I believe i've heard Steven Quayle talk about these "Squall" torpedo...

Wasn't there a report recently about a Chinese sub that happened to pop up in the middle of an exercise???

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/verbatim/16120/russia%3A-us-navy-spying-on-new-torpedo.html



New US Marine Intelligence Vs. Kursk Secret Torpedoes


(Source : Russian National Information Service ; issued Sept. 7, 2001)



 The circumstances of the tragic accident of the brand-new Russian nuclear-powered Kursk submarine last year not far from the Kola Peninsula exposed a new kind of U.S. intelligence. The U.S. used it as it watched the Kursk performing a naval exercise, the largest in over the past decade. It was not the submarine itself that was the object of observation. U.S. intelligence had evidently learned whatever it could about the Kursk, but wanted information on the latest version of an entirely new Russian Squall (Shkval) torpedo. Submarines of the K-141 series, the Kursk being the lead ship among them, carry them. The U.S. used a new kind of intelligence, measurement and signature intelligence (MASINT).

The U.S. classed the Squall in the category of most dangerous means of naval warfare and regards it as the most effective and perfect torpedo according to current world standards. The torpedo is capable of diminishing the domination of the U.S. Navy in oceanic theaters of war.

The operation conducted by MASINT in the Barents Sea on August 12, 2000, may be regarded as the finishing phase in the U.S. hunt for the Squall. It would have remained unnoticed if it were not for the spy scandal surrounding Edmond Pope, a former officer of the U.S. naval intelligence service. Pope operated in Russia as a businessman and under the cover of Prof. Daniel Kiley, who worked at the University of Pennsylvania's advanced research laboratory three months before the Kursk tragedy. In that laboratory, which perhaps concentrated on naval submarines, Prof. Kiley (he had taken part in testing the SSBN Ohio class missiles carried by the Pennsylvania Submarine). He and Pope worked together from 1994 to 1997, after which the latter went (or was sent?) to Russia, where he founded two private businesses - SERF Technologies International, studying foreign naval technology, and TechSource Marine Group Limited, openly designed for buying up Russian technology by the West. At the same time, the businessman exerted unbelievable effort to acquire the secrets concerning the fatal Squall torpedo.

The main task of businessman" Pope was to learn about two pieces of Russian technology - a gas-bubble injection system used for vessels and the development of high-velocity torpedoes. Pope couldn't do without recruiting agents. He bought information about the Squall for 30,000 dollars from Prof. Anatoly Babkin of the Bauman Technical University in Moscow. Pope later established a close contact with the professor.

The categorical tone in which the reasons for the intensive U.S. hunt for the Squall is justified because world opinion is amazing. The operation was allegedly performed to prevent the proliferation of dangerous military technology throughout the world. In this case, China is meant (it is alleged that a Chinese naval expert was on board the Kursk submarine during its last voyage). It was also maintained that the Chinese Navy might acquire powerful capabilities similar to Russia's that it could use to fight against U.S. aircraft carriers and submarines. China is said to have already purchased the fastest and most noiseless submarine from the Shark 971 class, which Americans were unable to detect sailing along its shores in 1995. In addition, it is alleged that Russia promised to sell high-precision underwater weapons, including the upgraded Squall torpedo, to China.

The U.S. intelligence service was worried to find out that U.S. Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Vern Clark had given away vital information to his Russian counterpart. It was later confirmed by President Clinton's national security adviser Sandy Berger in a talk with the then Secretary of Russia's Security Council, Sergei Ivanov. In an interview with France Presse, Ivanov emphasized two facts, much to the distress of the U.S. intelligence men: "The technical information that has been handed over contains the exact time and geographic location of the second of the two explosions."

It only remains to answer the question whether the ways and means of MASINT have changed in the different geopolitical conditions of the 21st century. Its chief goals, just as those of NATO, have not changed. There still is a close watch over Russia (which is a generator of ideas in new arms development), and China (which is regarded as the main military force capable of exceeding regional boundaries). As for the means, they multiply and are being improved in keeping with the new purposes and the scientific and technological achievements of the U.S.

(Originally published by Nezavisimaya Gazeta; translation by Russian National Information Service)

[Cognitive Dissident]

The truth is that aircraft carriers are highly vulnerable to high speed missiles, both air and sea based. But the aircraft carrier is the dominant mode of thinking of modern navies, just like the battleship was 100 years ago, just like heavily armed knights on horseback were 500 years ago. It's about prestige as much as anything else. The Archdruid did a good blog piece on this recently:
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-specter-of-military-defeat.html

If there is a shooting war in the Gulf, and the aircraft carriers get involved, there will likely be a number of them sunk. Of course, this may play into the hands of certain factions who will use this to escalate the conflict with the Iranians. All very predictable in advance unfortunately. Let's hope it does not get to that.

[13th Warrior]

For those who are more scientifically minded; some of the physics behind the squall:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/shkval.htm


BA-111 Shkval underwater rocket

In 1995 it was revealed that Russia had developed an exceptionally high-speed unguided underwater missile which has no equivalent in the West. Code-named the Shkval (Squall), the new weapon travels at a velocity that would give a targeted vessel very little chance to perform evasive action. The missile has been characterized as a "revenge" weapon, which would be fired along the bearing of an incoming enemy torpedo. The Shkval may be considered a follow-on to the Russian BGT class of evasion torpedoes, which are fired in the direction of an incoming torpedo to try to force an attacking to evade (and hopefully snap the torpedo's guidance wires). The weapon was deployed in the early 1990s, and had been in service for years when the fact of its existence was disclosed.

Development begain in the 1960s, when the Research Institute NII-24 (Chief Designer Mikhail Merkulov) involved in the artillery ammunition research was instructed to launch the development of underwater high-speed missile to fight nuclear-powered submarines. On 14 May 1969, pursuant to a government resolution, NII-24 and GSKB-47 merged into the Research Institute of Applied Hydromechanics (NII PGM), which formed the basis of the present day 'Region' Scientific Production Association. Advances in the development of jet engines and fuel technologies, as well as outstanding results in the research of body motion under cavitation made it possible to design a unique missile with a dived speed much greater than that of conventional torpedoes.

When the suction on the low-pressure side of the propeller blade dips below ambient pressure [atmospheric plus hydrostatic head] the propeller blade cavitates -- a vacuum cavity forms. There is water vapor in the cavity, and the pressure is not a true vacuum, but equal to the vapor pressure of the water. High-speed propellers are often designed to operate in a fully-cavitating (supercavitating) mode.

A high speed supercavitating projectile, while moving in the forward direction, rotates inside the cavity. This rotation leads to a series of impacts between the projectile tail and the cavity wall. The impacts affect the trajectory as well as the stability of motion of the projectile. The present paper discusses the in-flight dynamics of such a projectile. Despite the impacts with the cavity wall, the projectile nearly follows a straight line path. The frequency of the impacts between the projectile tail and cavity boundary increases initially, reaches a maximum, and then decreases gradually. The frequency of impacts decreases with the projectile's moment of inertia.

Apparently fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes, Shkval has a range of about 7,500 yards. The weapon clears the tube at fifty knots, upon which its rocket fires, propelling the missile through the water at 360 kph [about 100 m/sec / 230 mph / 200-knots], three or four times as fast as conventional torpedoes. The solid-rocket propelled "torpedo" achieves high speeds by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the torpedo in a thin layer of gas and forms a local "envelope" of supercavitating bubbles. Carrying a tactical nuclear warhead initiated by a timer, it would destroy the hostile submarine and the torpedo it fired. The Shkval high-speed underwater missile is guided by an auto-pilot rather than by a homing head as on most torpedoes.

There are no evident countermeasures to such a weapon, its employment could put adversary naval forces as a considerable disadvantage. One such scenario is a rapid attack situation wherein a sudden detection of a threat submarine is made, perhaps at relatively short range, requiring an immediate response to achieve weapon on target and to ensure survival. Apparently guidance is a problem, and the initial version of the Shkval was unguided However, the Russians have been advertising a homing version, which runs out at very high speed, then slows to search.

A prototype of the modernised "Shkval", which was exhibited at the 1995 international armaments show in Abu Dhabi, was discarded. An improved model was designed with a conventional (non-nuclear) warhead and a guided targeting system, which substantially enhances its combat effectiveness. The first tests of the modernised Shkval torpedo were held by the Russian Pacific Fleet in the spring of 1998.

The 'Region' Scientific Production Association has developed developed an export modification of the missile, 'Shkval-E'. Russia began marketing this conventionally armed version of the Shkval high-speed underwater rocket at the IDEX 99 exhibition in Abu Dhabi in early 1999. The concept of operations for this missile requires the crew of a submarine, ship or the coast guard define the target's parameters -- speed, distance and vector -- and feeds the data to the missile's automatic pilot. The missile is fired, achieves its optimum depth and switches on its engines. The missile does not have a homing warhead and follows a computer-generated program.

On 05 April 2000 the Russian Federal Security Service [FSB] in Moscow arrested an American businessman, Edmond Pope, and a Russian accomplice, on charges of stealing scientific secrets. A FSB statement said it confiscated "technical drawings of various equipment, recordings of his conversations with Russian citizens relating to their work in the Russian defense industry, and receipts for American dollars received by them." Pope, a retired US Navy captain who spent much of his career working in naval intelligence, was at the time of his arrest the head of a private security firm. On 20 April 2000 the FSB revealed that Pope had been seeking plans the Shkval underwater missile. Pope was detained during an informal contact with a Russian scientist who had participated in the Shkval's creation.

The arrest of Daniel Howard Kiely, deputy head of the Applied Research Laboratory at Pennsylvania State University, came almost simultaneously. The laboratory led by Mr. Kiely has for many years been developing torpedoes for US warships and submarines. Professor Kiely had joined Pope in Moscow to offer technical advice and determine the tasks for Pope's further activity. Kiely was interrogated as a witness. His testimony and objects confiscated during the search proved his involvement in Pope's activities. Later the 68-year-old professor was released and allowed to return to the United States.

The objective of the High-Speed Undersea Weaponry project at the US Office of Naval Research is to develop the vehicle guidance, control and maneuvering capabilities for the quick reaction weapons. High-speed weapons could offer an advantage for Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) "close encounter" scenarios. The overall system response of a high-speed weapon for breaking off engagements with enemy submarines would be measured in seconds, rather than minutes. The High-Speed Undersea Weapons project has three tasks; Vehicle Guidance, Vehicle Control, and Test Bed Development. Vehicle Guidance deals with homing sensors, signal processing, waveform design, and autopilot commands that are used to guide (either autonomously or with external interaction) the weapon to its target. Vehicle control deals with control and maneuvering of the high-speed weapon with emphasis on stabilizing the supercavitating bubble cavity, and optimizing the flow for low drag. Technical issues include instability due to vehicle planing and tail slap, interaction between cavity with propulsion exhaust, and propulsion system transients, including startup. Test Bed Development is an ongoing effort that develops a test platform to test and evaluate S&T candidate systems such as homing systems, vehicle control, and propulsion systems.

[Kindred]

When I read these comments, my mind is reminded of this piece:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY

War... What is is Good For... Absolutely NOTHING...

[jagman]

Good reply Hagman.
The concern is that the Sunburn is a supersonic cruise missle. The MTHEL video was destroying ariel projectiles. But I agree, this is only what they will tell us.

Hello GSF. Its jagman with a J, lol. But you are wrong about the video, It clearly shows the MTHEL system Shooting down supersonic missles.

[dreamer]

Not sure about the missiles, but it sounded like they upgraded there tests to be able to hit the howitzer shells. M114 155mm howitzer muzzle velocity: 563 m/second speed of sound: 340.29 m/second, that missile go 2 1/2 x sound?!? Good luck lazer .

[A.Steinberg]

I'm sure we have weapons in our arsenal so secret that they shall only be used in an event worthy of showing our hand. There's an old saying which holds true .. " Never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing."

[Operator]

The US and Israel both have laser tech, That can shoot down anything that they can muster up

For a laser to be effective you need "line of sight" ... I don't think you want an incoming nuclear warhead that close and then
let it tumble out of the sky.

Besides I think the threat is not in this area ... Iranians are not dumb. They have brilliant scientists and can be geniuses.
If they can have multiple-encrypted drones land undamaged in their backyard it's time to pay attention.

What use is it to still brag about fire power if you're outrun by brainpower ...

[Calz]

Here is an interesting blurb from the article:

China is forced to carry US responsibility because our own naval capability is sitting in the Persian Gulf when America is under a very real threat.



Complete speculation but what came to mind from Duff's China/US joint naval vs SF UFO piece was the *alleged* bankster plan on taking out a large chunk of the US military at the outset of the (alleged) upcoming middle east confrontation. Storyline continues that would allow for all the *alleged* foreign UN troops already on US soil to be the ones to implement martial law.

*If* there is any truth there then, depending on who is actually calling the shots, whether or not lasers could stop the missiles would fall more under would that technology be used???

IMHO (monkey mind alert)

[M0JFK]

Carlin and Hicks was the best no doubt about it.