Tim Turner Indicted for Tax Crimes, Sept 18, 2012

[gripreaper]

A federal grand jury in Montgomery, Ala., charged James Timothy Turner, also known as Tim Turner, with conspiracy to defraud the United States, attempting to pay taxes with fictitious financial instruments, attempting to obstruct and impede the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), failing to file a 2009 federal income tax return and falsely testifying under oath in a bankruptcy proceeding, the Justice Department, the IRS, and the FBI announced today.

According to the indictment, Turner, the self-proclaimed “President” of the sovereign citizen group “Republic for the united States of America,” conducted seminars at which he taught attendees how to file retaliatory liens against government officials and to defraud the IRS by preparing and submitting fictitious bonds to the United States government in payment of federal taxes. Turner is alleged to have attempted to pay his own taxes with a fictitious $300 million bond and to have assisted others in attempting to pay their taxes with fictitious bonds purporting to be worth amounts ranging from $10 million to $100 billion.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/September/12-tax-1126.html

If he's done his paperwork correctly, he can challenge jurisdiction as NOT being a corporate US citizen, but as an American National. Should be interesting to see how he plays this and what skeletons come out of the closet

How far the DOJ pushes this could open up a real can of worms.

[Praxis]

It does not matter if legally he is correct about all of his assertions, they will still put him in jail because the law does not matter.

Aaron Russo pretty much proved that the IRS and taxes are not legal because they violate, among other things, the right not to incriminate oneself. Did it change anything? The media would have to give it honest coverage. THis has to be FOX or NBC or one of the major ones or most people will disregard it.

Gangsters run the world and they care not for laws.

[gripreaper]

It does not matter if legally he is correct about all of his assertions, they will still put him in jail because the law does not matter.

If Tim stays out of the "legal" arena and does not acquiesce to the corporatocracy, and brings forward the LAWFUL side and stays on that side, he can pull it off. If anyone can, he can, unless he is a rogue agent which they are trying to punish and he does not really have standing as a lawful American national.


Gangsters run the world and they care not for laws.

This is what I am suggesting, that he NOT dance in their lawful tribunal and bow to their inquisition. I do not know if his hands are clean, but those who have been following along for the last two decades and have done the Administrative Procedures and understand the LAWFUL de jure side, the "private" side, and NOT the public legal BS side, this whole DOJ inquisition could blow the truth wide open , IF they pursue it.

I agree though, the gansters could just take him out if it gets too messy.

[A Simple Human]

this whole DOJ inquisition could blow the truth wide open , IF they pursue it.

This is precisely the point. Tim Turner's motives for the Republic for the united States of America are questionable and debatable, but, Tim Turner aside, the DOJ may have a hard time accomplishing much without exposing the de facto government and all their corporate entities. It's bound to be interesting.

[gripreaper]

Wow, I guess Teri was right and Tim Turner and Drake were wrong. She pulls no punches. I pulled this from Rumor Mill News in it's entirety since there is no link:

COMMON SENSE WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS

For quite some time now I have remained relatively quiet, watching from behind the curtain as predictable events unfold. I write now not because I wish to rub what should have been obvious in the faces of those who would not see but because so many are still determined to ignore the enemy at the gate. As was also predictable I have received numerous emails and phone calls lately from outraged individuals wanting to know “why in the hell am I getting emails from these crackpots again” and clueless innocents having recently joined RuSA who are only now attempting any kind of due diligence.

James Timothy Turner is incarcerated because his puppet masters are finished with him and no other reason. He failed miserably for the most part in his original mission mostly because of his determination to serve his own agenda on the side. Turner lacks the intelligence and the necessary connections to ever pull that off. In fact, the many little “side games” designed to line his pockets like the fake “ID’s”, seminars on everything from Secured Party Creditors, Land Patents and the latest whacked out administrative process the “EFT”, (which he attempted to run from back stage and split the take with F & N while “media boy” lined up the suckers), a fake bank scam and even an Iraqi Dinar scam have handed his puppeteers the very ammunition they needed to wrap up the mission and bury the missionary.

It is no accident or misinterpretation by the Feds that Turner's arrest is linked to events he not only had nothing to do with but had nothing to do with him or with RuSA. They know full well that his so called “Ranger Program” poses no threat to anyone save those who might shoot themselves in the big toe attempting to remove a firearm from a hip holster. They certainly know that Hutz and his precious little son were murdered executioner style by parties who were never involved in any Patriot movement. They are fully aware that Hutz was not only long removed from RuSA but was PUBLICLY exposing it and Turner along with many other “Patriot Guru’s” and idiotic “Plans for Restoration”. They know RuSA had nothing to do with the “Declarations to the Governors” written by Sam Kennedy and delivered under RAP well before Turner’s “assigned and carried out” take over. Turner was NEVER associated with Jerry Kane. It’s doubtful they ever even met and the Feds are absolutely fully aware of that too.

What I find immensely interesting is the fact that Turner’s improperly “appointed” vice president, C.W.Wright, who owns a company tied to FEMA, in fact is in the same business as FEMA and has never even attempted to deny that, suddenly resigns before Turner’s arrest and gets a “FREE PASS” from all his previous collusion. While I fully expect to see Kelby Smith under arrest soon it will not surprise me one iota to see C.W. skate off into the sunset never even looking back over his shoulder with those beady, soulless eyes.

Turner was a useful idiot, a puppet of the quintessential kind just like Barak Obama. A narcissistic court jester who will easily buy into his own BS, become enmeshed in a passionate love affair with his rose colored mirror and through his massively inflated ego, deliver all the elements needed for the puppet masters to affect his demise. History does indeed repeat itself for those who refuse to heed the lessons it reveals.

Just a few short months ago on one of Turner’s weekly self-aggrandizing “round table” calls he was heard doing the “na na na na na na” dance and literally dared the authorities to come after him. He stated that if his sheriff, the FBI or other authorities were to dare touch him they would be creating an INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT the likes of which they dare not wish to see. Hmmm wouldn’t you think that INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT might be visible by now? I’ve seen many events unfolding around the globe since the con man was nabbed but not a peep from any other country wondering what has happened to the “self-appointed president of the “Fantasy Republic”. I would venture to warn at this point that holding your breath for that particular tsunami could be overly hazardous to your health!

In the many communications I have received after the arrest of the snake oil salesman not once have the obvious questions been raised:

What about the funding?
Where’s the Military protection he said he had?
Where’s Hillary and what happened to his “Treaty” with her?
How can we get our Dinar back? (be careful holding the breath on this one too)
Why don’t the ET’s intervene?
If the Feds are only interested in his TAX EVASION and stupid Administrative processes, why have they raided Jeanine Stewart’s home and confiscated the data base and all the RuSA records?
Why has not one foreign dignitary stepped up in support of Turner?
Who else should be anticipating a “friendly knock on the door”?

Instead I see half of RuSA diligently defending the criminal with their heads still firmly embedded in their nether regions and the other half scrambling to “save the Republic”, replace the clown and go on with the circus. The canvas is burning while the spectators munch on peanuts and popcorn thinking the net beneath the high wire act is real.

For any involved who have ever actually participated and filed one of the foolhardy “Administrative Processes” Turner was advocating; to continue with this farce is dangerous in the extreme. In fact they had best be spending some serious time formulating a “dumb victim” defense and get as far away from the “scene of the crime” as possible. It may even be too late for that it pains me to say. I don’t wish to see anybody harmed just because they let their desperation rule their brain cells.

RuSA, as I have pointed out, provided evidence of and shouted to the roof tops too many times to count, was a SCAM FROM THE GIT GO! It doesn’t even matter who was pulling the strings and who IS pulling the strings now. The only salient point is that what is left is rotten fruit from the poisoned tree and to insist on being served any more RuSA pie is suicidal.

How many FAILED ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES does it take before people are hit in the head hard enough to understand why they fail? How many so called “White Hat” leaders that never deliver anything but constant rhetoric and vague references to “imminent” actions, cavalry rescue, instant fix and painless transition does it take before America finally gets off its collective ass? THERE ARE NO WHITE KNIGHTS COMING! THERE IS NO CAVALRY COMING! IT’S NOT GOD’S JOB TO CLEAN UP OUR MESS EITHER! IT’S NOT BIBLE PROPHECY COME TRUE, IT’S SIMPLE COWARDICE AND APATHY USED TO EXCUSE THE SAME.

Our country will not be saved by masses of desperate people glued to their computers, telephones, and televisions waiting for some indication that SOMEBODY ELSE has come to save the day! We will not restore our Constitutional Republic by forming a parallel shadow government with zero enforcement and seats of office held by wannabe stars elected by themselves or a handful of clueless although well intentioned individuals.

So you can sit on your butt and die on your butt or stand on your feet and MAYBE survive there. There are no guarantees. Hello, there never have been. As my Granny used to say, anything worth having is worth working for and anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time. She had a lot to say about wearing clean underwear too but I won’t bore you with that. Suffice it to say she was full of words of wisdom which at the end of the day are simple COMMON SENSE.

There is only one solution to what we face today and that is us. In February of this year a contingent of people from a majority of states delivered a NOTICE OF DECLARATION to the Office of Private International Law at the Hague (a city). The notice was just that, a notice. Not an application for recognition. Not a plea for a hearing. Not a legal filing. NO, just a simple DECLARATIVE STATEMENT that We The People in our Individual States are a FREE AND INDEPENDENT people with unalienable rights bestowed by our creator and we recognize no authority over us other than our creator. We have and recognize a Constitution and other documents duly accepted by and for the people. We need no intervention from foreign bodies nor will we accept any. Ok there you have it. The Declaration has been made. The world has been put on notice. Now what? I’ll tell you what. Now WE HAVE TO PROVE IT!

As Wayne Allen Root has pointed out, “it’s not enough to have a philosophical foundation rooted in liberty”. You can philosophize from dawn til dusk 365 days a year and never leave your chair. What is changed in that way can be nothing more than perhaps your listening audience. Theories don’t effect change, pay the bills or put food on the table. If you think attending conference calls listening to the same tired gurus tell you the answer lies in the UPU, the UN, the World Court, the Straw Man, the Common Law court (if you can find it), fighting the IRS, switching political parties in the funny shaped office or even an army of White Knights come to save the day you are doing exactly what you have been conditioned to do, NOTHING!

What if, instead, you access that blob of grey matter your creator saw fit to place between your ears and actually engage in some good old fashioned critical thinking? Turn off the “mind control machine”, start attending some city council meetings. Find out just exactly what your representatives are doing about the invasion of UN Agenda 21 in your community. Talk to your neighbors about something other than the weather like how you might start up a local campaign to educate the people and force the removal of Fluoride from your water supply. Demand the removal of Smart Meters from your homes or form a community action committee to enforce some oversight on your local elected officials. How about looking into the formation of a home schooling co-op until we can regain control of our public education system? How about community farming to ensure a sufficient and constant supply of organic vegetables fit for human consumption? How about making absolutely sure your sheriff is working for you and not the federal government or the UN? The point is solutions start at home, right where you live and what is needed there may not be the same as what is needed in my home town so how can a one size fits all national or international agenda ever benefit you, your family or community in any cohesive way?

Elections are supposed to serve the need to appoint the most capable among us to positions of leadership in order to ensure the maximum representation of our wishes and needs. We are then supposed to supervise their performance to establish oversight on their actions. If on the other hand we engage in elections simply to appoint “somebody else” to deal with the problems so we can ship them off to the halls of government until the next election rolls around without a thought to what that “somebody else” might have in mind; well we deserve what we get. In fact that is just what we have been doing in this country for longer than any of us have been breathing. It is amazing how much griping, moaning and lamenting the general public can engage in when their elected officials are caught serving their own interests or being manipulated by an international agenda after never having lifted a finger to supervise those they place in office.

This is “mass insanity” at its finest. Would we hire a gardener and never look to see what he is doing to our lawns and flower beds? Would we engage the services of a cook and say nothing when she serves pop tarts and hot dogs on stale buns at every meal? No? Why then do we send our children to be brain washed and indoctrinated for political agenda in the public school system? Why do we continue drinking water filled with poisonous chemicals designed to both render us docile and destroy our health so we can continue to feed a massive pharmaceutical industry’s coffers? Why have we even allowed the more than 800 FEMA detention centers to be built? I could go on and on but you get the picture.

If you are saying to yourself at this moment, “well I can’t do anything about those things. I know nothing about how to do any of that or even where to start”, just knock it off. You don’t get to cop out that easy. Education is free, yes you heard me, FREE! It’s all around you and available any time you make up your mind to seek it. We have public free lending libraries, online free lending libraries like “Google Books”. There is access to a wealth of information online on every subject on earth right there at your fingertips. If you don’t have internet your library does. If you don’t have a computer, your library does. How about all those senior citizens at the local senior center? Remember they already know more than you, been there done that. Tap that resource!

A little over a year ago I began studying consumer law with an incredible group of people who were massively successful at turning the tables on the fraudulent debt collection industry, making them pay instead of the other way round. In the space of that time I have beaten tricky lawyers and learned to use the courts and the laws Congress enacted for the people to use to protect themselves and paid off all my obligations in the bargain. I have helped desperate people to dig themselves out of what they thought were hopeless situations just by introducing them to the tools already there for solutions. It’s just a matter of deciding what is important enough to make you act. Once you accept that nobody can or should do it for you, that your destiny is yours and the results of your actions or inactions are also yours the rest is relatively easy. None of us involved have gone to law school, spent money on weekend seminars, or signed up for any courses. We hold tri-weekly conference calls, study the law together, share our experiences, help new people to catch up and we belong to a web site with extensive resources. Meanwhile the debt collectors are currently in a panic trying to figure out how to staunch the bleeding from the overwhelming number of pro se law suits being filed against them daily. It’s a wonder what happens when people realize it’s 100% impossible to owe a debt collector a single penny.

Imagine just for a moment the change we the people could affect if groups like the one I belong to existed in all areas of law? How about groups of people in their own communities studying the science of reversing the damage to our soil done by the use of chem-trails, pesticides and GMO’s? Trust me I never intended to be studying law at the age of 60 and I definitely could not have imagined even two years ago how much fun I would be having doing it and all without ever stepping foot into a class room.

It’s been a long, painful and arduous learning curve since I first began to “wake up” to the level of corruption and control we are living in. But since I’ve never been an “I can’t do that” sorta gal; I find myself in possession of a massive amount of education and information I never dreamed possible in such a short time. Perhaps all you really need to begin to affect change for yourself and your country is a dose of good old fashioned block headed stubborn determination and a cocky attitude toward those who will inevitably tell you, you can’t do that.

So here we all are these many, many months after RAP became RuSA (Rule under Shadow Anarchy), Obama’s Hope and Change became Theft, Lies and Slavery, jobs have become as scarce as the South American DoDo Bird and still the people bleat like the sheep they have become. The only difference I see for the most part is that the sheep now know they have been had. What they refuse to see is that they will continue to be had so long as they allow “somebody” else to deliver their choices and then tell them WHAT TO CHOOSE!

I AM PERSONALLY QUITE FED UP WITH EMAILS AND CALLS asking the same questions:
When is the RV coming?
Are the mass arrests under way?
When are they going to stop the cabal?
Who’s going to win the election?
Is Fulford for real? What about Wilcock?
What do we do?

NEWS FLASH! WHO DIED AND MADE ME THE KEEPER OF THE ANSWERS? I HAVE ONE ANSWER AND ONE ANSWER ONLY TO WHEN THIS AND WHEN THAT……………….
WHEN YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Gee, I guess when all else fails we could still try using some COMMON SENSE.
YOU ARE THE ANSWER!

TLGA
Teri

[ThePythonicCow]

Wow, I guess Teri was right and Tim Turner and Drake were wrong. She pulls no punches. I pulled this from Rumor Mill News in it's entirety since there is no link:
Here's a link: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=255663 (the URL of the page where I found this, by searching for a snippet of your quoted text on Google)

[gripreaper]

They got him. Convicted.

A federal jury in Montgomery, Alabama found James Timothy Turner, also known as Tim Turner, guilty late Friday of conspiracy to defraud the United States, attempting to pay taxes with fictitious financial instruments, attempting to obstruct and impede the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), failing to file a 2009 federal income tax return, and falsely testifying under oath in a bankruptcy proceeding, the Justice Department, the IRS, and the FBI announced today.

http://www.fbi.gov/mobile/press-releases/2013/self-proclaimed-president-of-sovereign-citizen-nation-convicted-in-alabama-of-federal-tax-crimes

[minkton]

I opened this thread feeling vaguely interested in a thread about tina turner and her tax situation.

Really need to put my glasses on...

[we-R-one]

Hey grip,

Yes I heard about Tim a couple of weeks ago,...it was discussed on a Rod Class call shortly after it had happened, though I didn't get to listen until recently. Below is an excellent audio that everyone who lives in the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA, should take the time to preview. Who's Rod Class? Rod Class I guess you could say, is in the forefront of the pro se movement. Pro se are those who represent themselves in court without the assistance of an attorney. Here's a snippet of his work:

http://www.dailypaul.com/258853/bombshell-rod-class-gets-fourth-administrative-ruling-govt-offices-are-vacant-all-govt-officials-are-private-contractors

Though Tim Turner has made many errors, don't let the FBI's conviction fool you. For those who have yet to understand, just know, it's become a witch hunt especially for the one's who are brave enough to challenge the legal system by highlighting the injustice taking place. Even if you dot all your i's and cross all your t's, it's no guarantee for victory, as they will rule against you in order to protect themselves from the public acquiring the knowledge of what's really going on in these cases and the fraud that's being perpetrated against the people. They will then demonize the poor soul in a public manner in order to give the appearance that this person has been rightfully convicted. Question every conviction as you have no idea what's really going on with these cases- don't let the articles convince you that the defendant is truly guilty.

Fellow Avalonians, wanna see what's really going on in these court systems? Take a listen to this call with Rod and you'll find out what these kangaroo courts are doing to the people. Yes this is a long audio, but I assure you there's some excellent information and you will come to understand the crimes taking place against your fellow brothers and sisters, which some day might be you! What's discussed should make your jaw drop.

One topic that gets covered is a manual given to the judges known as, The Anti-Government Movement Guidebook....and the purpose of this book is to teach judges how to rule against the private citizens, how to deny you due process, how to suppress evidence, and deny you use of statues in your defense! Additionally it shows them how to handle the paperwork that's being submitted by self educated people like Rod Class and how to rule against them!

AND OH BY THE WAY, THIS MANUAL WAS PAID FOR BY FEDERAL FUNDING, YOUR TAX DOLLARS HARD AT WORK SO THEY CAN LEARN HOW TO RULE AGAINST YOU!

Dennis, Paul, this post is for you...per a past conversation....this call says it all in regards to enforcement, exactly what I eluded in a previous conversation, but now you'll have a more in depth reason as to why......so many tidbits given during this audio. I'd download the book if you're interested...I suspect it will disappear and I believe Rod said it's happened once before. There was another document I posted some time last year, that was quite telling in regards to the fraud of the BAR and attorneys and shortly after I posted, the link was taken down. Bottom line, they don't want you to understand what's taking place.

Here's the audio:
Approx. 2hrs 52min.
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-48361/TS-730325.mp3

Here's the manual he refers to in the call:
http://www.truthradio.com/HistoryBook.pdf

[sandy]

Hi we-R-one,

Another truth seeker working to wake the world up by going public with his information about our deceitful justice system. He has my repect for the courage it takes to stand before the oppressors of any true justice. Thanks for sharing :)

[we-R-one]

Tim Turner is no saint, BUT who is? He has done a lot of damage to some through misguided efforts within the courts. That being said, I learned a lot from him when I was initially involved in his movement way back when and for that I'm very grateful.

[gripreaper]

Yes, thanks We-r-One, for standing in your truth and being an open advocate for those who would stand with you.

I was saddened when I heard the news about Tim Turner, even though he made many mistakes. It curls my blood when I see the hit piece done by the SPLC on Jerry and Joe Kane. I really miss Billy Faust, that one hit me the worst. But so did Randy Weavers wife getting sniper shot on their front porch while she held her little baby in her arms, and the Davidian's being burned alive, all men, women and children.

When will people take the time to do the due diligence and be knowledgeable as to how to stand in truth? When they come knocking on our front doors? I don't think the OPPT is helping, do you think it is? Rod Class, Howard Griswold, Carl Miller, and others...most don't know who are the ones in the trenches teaching and helping people. It's a thankless job, fraught with danger and guys like Rod Class are unflinching.

He has my respect and my support.

[we-R-one]

If there's one thing for sure, I refuse to be looking down from Summerland after breathing my last breath wishing I would have done more and I'm sure these guys who are in the forefront are thinking the same. Thank God for them! Though at times they make my head spin, I have learned so much and their efforts have been a huge part of my awakening. If I remember correctly, the Kane incident happened just a couple of years after I began to get involved in the pro se end of things. I knew of them, but did not personally know them.....the loss was felt strongly amongst the pro se community. There are many out there paving the walkway for the rest of us...sure wish they all could be recognized as those are the true heros.

I'm not sure how much OPPT is really helping. Honestly I haven't followed it all that much other than listening to an audio or two, so it would be unfair for me to comment. Without enforcement none of these campaigns will go anywhere. Even somewhat concerning is that fact that an attorney is the trustee of OPPT.....and since you know the downfall of that aspect of the legal system....it's not very reassuring to me, lmao. But hey...I could be surprised and glady.

My saving grace is that I'm of the belief that we are living in a fabricated illusion there-by indicating our existence on earth is nothing more than an experience, and I thank God, Source, All That Is, for that revelation. Everything is as it should be whether I like it or not. :wizard:

[Dennis Leahy]

...Fellow Avalonians, wanna see what's really going on in these court systems? Take a listen to this call with Rod and you'll find out what these kangaroo courts are doing to the people. Yes this is a long audio, ...

Dennis, Paul, this post is for you...per a past conversation....this call says it all in regards to enforcement, exactly what I eluded in a previous conversation, but now you'll have a more in depth reason as to why......so many tidbits given during this audio. I'd download the book if you're interested...I suspect it will disappear and I believe Rod said it's happened once before. There was another document I posted some time last year, that was quite telling in regards to the fraud of the BAR and attorneys and shortly after I posted, the link was taken down. Bottom line, they don't want you to understand what's taking place.

Here's the audio:
Approx. 2hrs 52min.
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-48361/TS-730325.mp3

Here's the manual he refers to in the call:
http://www.truthradio.com/HistoryBook.pdf
Downloaded the pdf book, downloaded the MP3 to listen to as soon as I have time.

Thanks, we-R-one!

Dennis

[gripreaper]

The Justice Department, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), and the FBI announced today that James Timothy Turner, also known as Tim Turner, was sentenced to serve 18 years in federal prison for conspiracy to defraud the United States, attempting to pay taxes with fictitious financial instruments, attempting to obstruct and impede the IRS, failing to file a 2009 federal income tax return, and falsely testifying under oath in a bankruptcy proceeding.

http://www.fbi.gov/mobile/press-releases/2013/self-proclaimed-president-of-sovereign-citizen-group-sentenced-to-federal-prison-for-promoting-tax-fraud-scheme

[Dennis Leahy]

Reminds me of the small-town judge that "allowed" me to pick between two moving violations (both were bogus, and they knew it) or be fined for both. As I left the "courthouse" (literally, a double-wide trailer), the judge came up to me as I was paying my fine, put his arm on my shoulder, and said, "You didn't think we were gonna let you out of here without paying, now did you?"

There was no way Tim Turner was going to walk just away - regardless if he was really innocent - he was not going to be allowed to set that precedent in court.

Dennis

[gripreaper]

There was no way Tim Turner was going to walk just away - regardless if he was really innocent - he was not going to be allowed to set that precedent in court. Dennis

It's also what Tim Turner represented. He attempted to restore the Republic, used the UCC-1 Financing Statement to claim creditor status against the bankruptcy of the UNITED STATES, taking control of your strawman, etc.


The evidence at trial also established that Turner taught people how to file retaliatory liens against government officials who interfered with the processing of fictitious bonds. Turner filed a purported $17.6 billion maritime lien in Montgomery County, Alabama Probate Court against another individual. This investigation began after Turner and three other self-proclaimed “Guardian Elders” sent demands to all 50 governors in the United States in March 2010 ordering each governor to resign within three days to be replaced by a “sovereign” leader or be “removed.” The FBI immediately began investigating Turner and IRS- Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI) joined the investigation soon thereafter.

Once he Noticed all 50 governors, he got the attention of the big boys and all their toys. The "bonds" he filed were undoubtedly against the sureties of the birth certificates and Treasury Direct accounts, which only those who hold the collateral actually have rights. Remember, in commerce, one must be the "holder" in order to have standing to foreclose on an instrument.

But, what is sad, all of his supporters scattered like rats from a sinking ship, the thousands upon thousands who filed the freedom documents. Maybe this was the setup. Maybe Tim Turner, who was known to be an ex FEMA big wig, never actually left FEMA, pulled thousands of people down the rabbit hole, the court case is a sham using a doppelganger, and Turner is sitting on a beach somewhere drinking Margaritas and being handsomely rewarded for bringing down the sovereignty and freedom movements.

Who knows.