Jesus said to them: "My wife..."

[Skywizard]

I was always open to the idea that Jesus had a wife and the theory has been around for a long while. The translation of this papyrus may have moved it a little more toward conformation, but remember this is only evidence written years after the fact and is not really evidence that he actually had a wife.
Thought it was interesting anyway and wanted to share it.

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Four words on a previously unknown papyrus fragment provide the first evidence that some early Christians believed Jesus had been married, Harvard Professor Karen King told the 10th International Congress of Coptic Studies, September 18, 2012.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmoILJmH4M&feature=player_embedded#!

[Prodigal Son]

If you believe Yehoshua Ben Yosef existed, then I would say it would have been impossible for him to reach the level of consciousness he attained without a wife. Mary Magdalene (from root word "Magi") was an initiate just as "Jesus" was.

The Bible alludes to this by saying that a husband and wife should become "one flesh".

This is also what is meant by Jesus' statement in the Gospel of Thomas about making your eye single.

Lightworkers are very much aware of the union of the two energies which summon the "Violet Flame". It is the whole basis of Yin and Yang. The only cure for duality is Union.

"Sexual Magic" is the key to being "born again". Many of the ancients knew this, and the practice of Tantra was widespread throughout a great deal of these ancient civilizations.

[Prodigal Son]

....and then of course, there is my old reliable rule of thumb for determining the truth of ANY matter across the board:

If the Catholic Church at any time tried to conceal, alter, misdirect, confound, confuse, or otherwise obliterate it from the face of the earth, then it most certainly must contain some degree of accuracy and truth and would be of benefit for the spiritual growth, evolution, and well-being of humanity. In fact, I would say this is probably the most effective means of separating the truth from the disinfo ;)

[write4change]

At the time and culture of the Jews during Jesus life; he would have been considered "off" without a wife. Jewish priests were married.

[AriG]

Hello everyone! New member here. I've been encouraged to jump right in, so I hope its ok that I am joining in the conversation.

Has anyone noticed that the MSM is interviewing church representatives who are dismissing the wife reference by suggesting that the use of the word wife meant the church or the body of the church not an actual spouse? Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

[spiritguide]

When one orates the word wife the perception of the thought is not universal. It is different to each one as is the word love. Great persons throughout history have been mated, does this issue detract from their message? The same book indicates Mary was married to Joseph and she is supposed immaculate. What is the issue, is it more dualistic divide and conquer for a world religion to go along with world government enforced by a world army? Harvard law gave us Obama, now Harvard divinity gives us this! Should we feel fortunate or impressed?

[Joe Akulis]

I read somewhere that back then, it was customary for the men to take on a wife beween like the ages of 13 and 19, and then if by your 20th year you hadn't taken a wife, you were considered "off" as write4change put it. So that led to theories that Jesus took off in the middle of the night shortly before his 19th birthday in order to avoid having to pick a wife or get stuck with one, and then went on his tour of the east. That's one theory about what he did during his "missing years." Perhaps the other theory could be that he didn't take off, he just found a good woman and wanted to enjoy normal human existence for a while. *shrug* Dunno.

[ulli]

When one orates the word wife the perception of the thought is not universal. It is different to each one as is the word love. Great persons throughout history have been mated, does this issue detract from their message? The same book indicates Mary was married to Joseph and she is supposed immaculate. What is the issue, is it more dualistic divide and conquer for a world religion to go along with world government enforced by a world army? Harvard law gave us Obama, now Harvard divinity gives us this! Should we feel fortunate or impressed?


What is universal is the underlying principle of unity. Or what happens during fusion.
It's like a law of physics.
The individual self which moves through time in its moodiness gets becomes adjusted through partnership. The ego is challenged and the real essence can come forth, through feelings of love and bonding producing greater energy fields.
The blending of energies of two people lead to a quadrupling effect...I.e. the energy field becomes equivalent of four individuals.
If anything, this will bring about reform in the Catholic Church regarding celibacy.

[Joe Akulis]

Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

Control. If you make him out to be a deity and his works and abilities and acts to be completely unachievable by anyone except the select few of his "disciples" i.e., later known as the church big dawgs, then you help to prevent everyone from going out and realizing their own potential, and realizing their freedom a bit more. This allows you to take on the power to be the intermediaries that are necessary to "forgive" people so they can help you make it to heaven, and the rest of it gets 'em eating out of the palm of your hand. If Jesus was married, it makes him seem more like one of us, doesn't it? Or heaven forbid, maybe that means he had a kid!!! :-)

What if people back then realized that they have the native ability, if developed, to commune with Jesus for real? Might be a lot fewer gold coins going into the box at the cathedral? Maybe a lot fewer people sitting around listening to fire and brimstone day in and day out? *shrug* Dunno. But I'm with Prodigal Son, if they covered it up, it's because they saw it as a threat to what they wanted to turn the church into.

[melpizza]

If its true its the coolest thing ever!!

[melpizza]

Yes, I think there would be astonishment said in the Bible that he actually was NOT married, as that would have been very odd, for his age, culture and community.

[deridan]

yeah, read an investigative book which explored the grail,
there investigation eventually lead them (, they would not have gone there otherwise) to Jesus,

there point was simple, for the time, a rabbi was as per custom, always a married man.

the scriptural speak of having to choose the executed, ..the reference in this to Barrabus, ...could be bar-rabbi,
the son of the rabbi,
so-that it was that Jesus probably had to choose {we have to see through the mists, see to step by step events} between his own crucifixion or that of his son.

the legends about the Magdelaine entering southern france are also present.
the Goths of that region,...well the word goth could not for that time distinguish between actual goth or jew.
it is thought that jesus's line married into the merovingians. .....(just a thought, so many opinions sizable, all enforcing different imperatives)
the man is no less divine ...{& probably escaped his own crucifixion}

prodigal son, write for change,...excellent

one day we will distinguish the bad religions of the world as those who have enchained and sacrificed the natural sexuality of men (...go China,...no buddist monks among u)

[Chester]

I was always open to the idea that Jesus had a wife and the theory has been around for a long while. The translation of this papyrus may have moved it a little more toward conformation, but remember this is only evidence written years after the fact and is not really evidence that he actually had a wife.
Thought it was interesting anyway and wanted to share it.

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Four words on a previously unknown papyrus fragment provide the first evidence that some early Christians believed Jesus had been married, Harvard Professor Karen King told the 10th International Congress of Coptic Studies, September 18, 2012.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmoILJmH4M&feature=player_embedded#!

What will really blow their minds is when they discover that his wife was not Mary Magdelene and yet he was intimate with them both.

[humanalien]

I bet it's a fake.

[another bob]

I tried to find Him on the Christian cross, but He was not there;
I went to the Temple of the Hindus and to the old Pagodas,
but I could not find a trace of Him anywhere.

I searched on the mountains and in the valleys,
but neither in the heights nor in the depths was I able to find Him.

I went to the Kaaba in Mecca, but He was not there either.

I questioned the scholars and philosophers, but He was beyond their understanding.

I then looked into my Heart, and it was there where He dwelled that I saw Him:

He was nowhere else to be found.

~ Rumi

[Prodigal Son]

As above, so below. If God wanted people who were made in his image to have a spouse, then God should certainly have a wife too, and it ain't the Church and it ain't Israel.

The Israelites called her "Shikinah".


One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. ~John 13:23 NIV


So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"
~John 20:2 NIV

The Bible is excellent for revealing these little clues here and there about what was really going on back then. There's no God-man worth his weight in frankincense who would favor one disciple over another... unless there's another kind of "love" happening here.

It really makes one wonder if the Church really made up the NT or of they had to do some ongoing emergency redactions and interpolations of something already written.

[AriG]

An excerpt from an academic publication on the subject of celibacy:

"Mandatory celibacy makes God into a devious and perverse creator who leads us astray by our natural emotions. No matter what "divinely" ordained celibacy makes of us, it is what it makes of God that should concern us."


The article in its entirety can be read here http://http://astro.temple.edu/~arcc/rights7.htm

The exploration of dichotomy and its hierarchal uses might just be a dot connector.

[AriG]

I bet it's a fake.

So you are thinking that the church sanctioned the release and put up a little resistance for show to gain public support for eliminating the celibacy requirement? Perhaps bring some new blood into the game?

[AriG]

As above, so below. If God wanted people who were made in his image to have a spouse, then God should certainly have a wife too, and it ain't the Church and it ain't Israel.

The Israelites called her "Shikinah".


One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. ~John 13:23 NIV


So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"
~John 20:2 NIV

The Bible is excellent for revealing these little clues here and there about what was really going on back then. There's no God-man worth his weight in frankincense who would favor one disciple over another... unless there's another kind of "love" happening here.

It really makes one wonder if the Church really made up the NT or of they had to do some ongoing emergency redactions and interpolations of something already written.

Lest we not forget the DaVinci connection in ' The Last Supper'.

[Flash]

Hello everyone! New member here. I've been encouraged to jump right in, so I hope its ok that I am joining in the conversation.

Has anyone noticed that the MSM is interviewing church representatives who are dismissing the wife reference by suggesting that the use of the word wife meant the church or the body of the church not an actual spouse? Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

Because every single, unmarried, priest, turning to pedophilia to satisfy their celibacy, will be able to marry if they follow Jesus. The Church hand over them will be balanced by the wife's hand for one.

Second, this would open the doors to feminine energies and input, which the Church is very scared of, it is the lost of control and opening of the lies imho that scares them.

[AriG]

From the Gnostic texts:

the concluding logion (114) of the Gospel of Thomas (first1 or second century C.E.). "Simon Peter said to them, 'Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of Life.' Jesus said, 'I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven."


From Theologian Robert Price:

In the Gospel of Mary (second century C.E.), Mary Magdalene is the chief revealer to the other disciples, telling of a post‑resurrection vision in which Jesus showed her the course of the liberated spirit on its way back to the Aeon.

[Vitalux]

I guess it all boils down to this
Jesus can be anything whatsoever you wish to imagine.

http://www.newcastle.edu.au/Resources/Stepping%20Out/Counselling%20Imagery/lonely%20female_XS.jpg

[AriG]

I read somewhere that back then, it was customary for the men to take on a wife beween like the ages of 13 and 19, and then if by your 20th year you hadn't taken a wife, you were considered "off" as write4change put it. .

Confirmed bachelor? Gentleman's gentleman? ;)

[ulli]

one day we will distinguish the bad religions of the world as those who have enchained and sacrificed the natural sexuality of men (...go China,...no buddist monks among u)

I share that sentiment.

These are my thoughts on the matter...take a family with two kids, both boys.
One of these boys is sensitive and inclined towards spirituality and so he decides to become a priest or monk.
Whatever genes contributed to his sensitivity....end of the line.
The human gene pool is thus deprived of a chance through the celibate person of spiritual descendants who could take evolution towards refinement of such spirituality...in fact, leaving it to decline instead.
Where there is no ascent, there is descent.
If the Catholic Church had any interest in humanity's growth it would at least have instituted a sperm bank for would-be priests to leave behind some of their genes.

[AriG]

If the Catholic Church had any interest in humanity's growth it would at least have instituted a sperm bank for would-be priests to leave behind some of their genes.

One could also reverse that supposition. Why does an institution that insists upon rampant reproduction require its leaders to remain celibate?

[Jean-Marie]

A Long time ago before the council of Nicea, catholic priests were able to marry. The main belief is that the catholic churches losing money when the priests had sons and the land could be left to them. It was the council of Nicea that made the rule that priests who were ordained could not marry.

[ulli]

If the Catholic Church had any interest in humanity's growth it would at least have instituted a sperm bank for would-be priests to leave behind some of their genes.

One could also reverse that supposition. Why does an institution that insists upon rampant reproduction require its leaders to remain celibate?

Simple:
Rampant reproduction produces more coins which will find their way into the collection bags,
and a celibate clergy makes better collectors of inheritances that are left to lonely widows.

[Hervé]

A Long time ago before the council of Nicea, catholic priests were able to marry. The main belief is that the catholic churches losing money when the priests had sons and the land could be left to them. It was the council of Nicea that made the rule that priests who were ordained could not marry.

So true!

Then, later on, in the "Middle Ages," "Marriage" was instituted merely because so-called "bastard" children had equal rights to inheritance as their "legitimate" siblings. The Catholic "Marriage institution" took that away so that "land" and "properties" would remain within the "legitimate" family. Hence, easier to scoop up at death bed confessions for some shared accommodations in "Heaven.".

[Latti]

Luke 9:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Whether or not Jesus was married is not an issue for me, but if he was married, surely he had a place of abode. If so, why is the passage above attributed to him? I'm sure that one can find many different interpretations of this, but to me he is saying that he didn't have a place of abode.

[ulli]

Luke 9:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Whether or not Jesus was married is not an issue for me, but if he was married, surely he had a place of abode. If so, why is the passage above attributed to him? I'm sure that one can find many different interpretations of this, but to me he is saying that he didn't have a place of abode.

To me it means that he didn't have a comfort zone like ordinary creatures.
His existence was service, without rest, fulfilling a temporary mission.
That does not exclude having a companion....
but both could have shared that sentiment of homelessness,
knowing that they belonged to a higher world.

[ghostrider]

yes he had a wife and lived in India after the crucifixion.

[Operator]

Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

1. If one stone breaks loose an avalanche may follow ...
2. A wife is one step, offspring the next ... ;)

[deridan]

the church controlled the gospels for two reasons

Jesus's companion had to be blackened ... Mary Magdelaine or Mary of Bethany. (remember that J logical, only cried after seeing the effect on MofB)
the other reason is that the probable writer of the Gospel of John, a true gnostic type gospel, also had to be blackened.
Lazarus in the gospel of John, is the only one mentioned as one amongst the male disciples whom J loved, ..yet people seem to leave him out of the equation
Lazarus, as by the clues picked up from the writers of a grail book i read, may have been the main man, or part of a inner circle.... whereas the disciples where the outer part, and would eventually in there motion tip the world to the balance point where they could embrace the inner part departed to lazarus easier

if u ever hear Rene'd'Anjou, or hear people speak about the Crusade lead against South of France against a certain group [i forget there name] enlightened, but which the Catholic Church tried to exterminate, ...then u can trace the offending hand of the church through history.
my bet is that the inquisition, was lead primarily against females who had spiritually awakened through those hard times in the middle ages.

I know that the Knights Templar had a special part in this 'erased history',
and if an ex-Templar can ever be said to remember... like...[i also forget his name],[but the old man so endeared to camelot here, ex-military, said he visited an off-world civilization], perhaps it could be delved into the "secret religious histories", for the Templars enlightened!, were accused of dark rituals in the Inquistion(&of-course they would have tainted light!), including the worshipping of heads.....Old Man! if you remember, please tell us, ..sothat from there we may find threads to other threads!

[PHARAOH]

Hello everyone! New member here. I've been encouraged to jump right in, so I hope its ok that I am joining in the conversation.

Has anyone noticed that the MSM is interviewing church representatives who are dismissing the wife reference by suggesting that the use of the word wife meant the church or the body of the church not an actual spouse? Why do you think the church is fearful of the disclosure of the possibility that Jesus was married?

Because it would give rise to the idea that they may have had offspring???

[Prodigal Son]

yes he had a wife and lived in India after the crucifixion.

Which brings us to the theory of the Crucifixion Survival.....

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2006/04/Could-Jesus-Have-Survived-The-Crucifixion.aspx

[Billy]

A stained glass window from a small island off the west coast of Scotland. Notice the symbolic hand hold and that the female is with child.

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Peace

[ulli]

A stained glass window from a small island off the west coast of Scotland. Notice the symbolic hand hold and that the female is with child.

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Peace

Is this on the island of Iona?

[Beren]

If you believe Yehoshua Ben Yosef existed, then I would say it would have been impossible for him to reach the level of consciousness he attained without a wife. Mary Magdalene (from root word "Magi") was an initiate just as "Jesus" was.

The Bible alludes to this by saying that a husband and wife should become "one flesh".

This is also what is meant by Jesus' statement in the Gospel of Thomas about making your eye single.

Lightworkers are very much aware of the union of the two energies which summon the "Violet Flame". It is the whole basis of Yin and Yang. The only cure for duality is Union.

"Sexual Magic" is the key to being "born again". Many of the ancients knew this, and the practice of Tantra was widespread throughout a great deal of these ancient civilizations.

Hi,
I bolded this sentence in red. Here is your answer of who Christ was and is. He's in union with Source-God- before he even preached the good news about human nature.
He didn't needed female to be one with God to be enlightened.

It's same today for both sexes when they realize that their current sex means nothing above since we're all spirit beings.
Down here we took the roles of male or female.

Women were terribly attracted to Jesus because he showed utter respect for them and loved them truly, not seeing them as flesh or slaves or bodies for intercourse.
He saw them as who they are.
That's why women flocked to him.

Marriage ? Not a theme for one who is one with God in heavenly and other realms including Earthly one.

[Billy]

A stained glass window from a small island off the west coast of Scotland. Notice the symbolic hand hold and that the female is with child.

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Peace

Is this on the island of Iona?

Iona is off the Isle of Mull, But has an Iona connection. This is Kilmore Church on the Isle of Mulll... The glass was commissioned long before the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail ever suggested a Marriage between Christ and Magdeline. You can read more about this fascinating place at Barry Dunfords site here: http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/jesusmarymag_iona.html

[AriG]

Sexual intercourse changes DNA. This article is very rudimentary as I don't have access to more technical information at the moment. Note the reference to changes in vision in a bulleted point toward the end of the article. [http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/250190.php

[melpizza]

I want to know what happened to the rest of the paper? Why was this scrap the only part anybody is talking about, its like talking about and examining too closely the one toenail of an elephant.

[genevieve]

I recently listened to an interview on Gaiam TV (subscription only) of a woman named Acharya who speaks or reads 10 languages and has been studying ancient texts for most of her life.

She believes that the biblical Jesus was an amalgam of several (many?) holy men with the same name (not "Jesus" in ancient times).

This bit of parchment may not even be referring to the "Jesus" that one might think it refers to.

Using a name common to a variety of sects would be a way to incorporate their teachings in order to make the Church seem like those sects, thus making it easier for people to switch over to the new religion since it didn't seem very different from their old religion.

I agree with Prodigal Son in this thread's post #16 that the Church may have made up the New Testament (and the Old?) as a way of garnering more power. It certainly made many redactions and interpolations at the Council of Nicea!

I also agree with Flash in post #20 that the Church is scared of feminine energies and inputs and was especially so in its early years when striving to divert power from goddess and nature religions.

I haven't studied any of this, so I don't know what's what. But I do believe that the Catholic Church will do anything to gain more power and money. (If what I recently read is true, it has begun to offer dispensations--i.e., forgive sins--in return for monetary "donations," a practice that was abandoned quite some time ago.)

Referring to the Seven Deadly Sins, someone once said something like: Declare that all natural urges and actions are sins, make everyone afraid of burning in hell for all eternity, set yourself up as the only one who can forgive those sins in the name of God, and you're set for life!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve