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Studeo
23rd August 2010, 19:17
A senior astronomer has said that the hunt for alien life should take into account alien "sentient machines".

Seti, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, has until now sought radio signals from worlds like Earth.

But Seti astronomer Seth Shostak argues that the time between aliens developing radio technology and artificial intelligence (AI) would be short.

Writing in Acta Astronautica, he says that the odds favour detecting such alien AI rather than "biological" life.

Many involved in Seti have long argued that nature may have solved the problem of life using different designs or chemicals, suggesting extraterrestrials would not only not look like us, but that they would not at a biological level even work like us.

However, Seti searchers have mostly still worked under the assumption - as a starting point for a search of the entire cosmos - that ETs would be "alive" in the sense that we know.

That has led to a hunt for life that is bound to follow at least some rules of biochemistry, live for a finite period of time, procreate, and above all be subject to the processes of evolution.

But Dr Shostak makes the point that while evolution can take a large amount of time to develop beings capable of communicating beyond their own planet, technology would already be advancing fast enough to eclipse the species that wrought it.

"If you look at the timescales for the development of technology, at some point you invent radio and then you go on the air and then we have a chance of finding you," he told BBC News.

"But within a few hundred years of inventing radio - at least if we're any example - you invent thinking machines; we're probably going to do that in this century.

"So you've invented your successors and only for a few hundred years are you... a 'biological' intelligence."

'Moving target'

John Elliott, a Seti research veteran based at Leeds Metropolitan University, UK, says that Dr Shostak is putting on a firmer footing a feeling that is not uncommon in the Seti community.

"You have to start somewhere, and there's nothing wrong with that," Dr Elliott told BBC News.


Alien AI may choose to linger at galactic centres, where matter and energy are plentiful "But having now looked for signals for 50 years, Seti is going through a process of realising the way our technology is advancing is probably a good indicator of how other civilisations - if they're out there - would've progressed.

"Certainly what we're looking at out there is an evolutionary moving target."

Both Dr Shostak and Dr Elliott concede that finding and decoding any eventual message from such alien thinking machines may prove more difficult than in the "biological" case, but the idea does provide new directions to look.

Dr Shostak says that artificially intelligent alien life would be likely to migrate to places where both matter and energy - the only things he says would be of interest to the machines - would be in plentiful supply. That means the Seti hunt may need to focus its attentions near hot, young stars or even near the centres of galaxies.

"I think we could spend at least a few percent of our time... looking in the directions that are maybe not the most attractive in terms of biological intelligence but maybe where sentient machines are hanging out."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11041449

MariaDine
23rd August 2010, 22:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxCOEiWg9Yc


Ps - In spite of the funny video ............I did take your post seriously !!!
Love
MD

John Parslow
24th August 2010, 00:17
Hello Studeo

Many thanks for the thread:


Asenior astronomer has said that the hunt for alien life should take into account alien "sentient machines".

Seti, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, has until now sought radio signals from worlds like Earth.

When are these idiots who incidentally cost the tax-payer [millions if not billions] going to wake-up! Alien Life is here now, just let them have alook at all the 'hidden' reports from around the globe for the last 60 years. It could not only save us cash but save the planet, if they stopped looking for ancient signals and started looking for ancient entities instead ...

Love and peace to you friend. JP :cool:

sargeist
24th August 2010, 10:13
off-planet AI is a nasty bit of gear

wynderer
24th August 2010, 11:09
i have to say i do not trust Seth Shostak -- i went to a talk by him, the director of 'Earth Girls Are Easy,' & Margot Adler -- 'contact' was in the title of the talk -- not one of them ever even mentioned the word 'contact' -- however, all 3 of them opened their part of the talk w/jokes about sex w/aliens, & knowing little looks at each other -- i gathered that LA is the center of the sex-w/aliens club

Seth's big message was 'Don't worry about an alien invasion-- it will never happen' -- it's my opinion that we have already been invaded & they are already here, in positions of power & as hybrids & clones -- so, as i say, i don't trust him

sargeist
24th August 2010, 11:35
however, all 3 of them opened their part of the talk w/jokes about sex w/aliens, & knowing little looks at each other -- i gathered that LA is the center of the sex-w/aliens club

attractive transexuals are considered a prize for some.

edit; this has nothing to do with AI. will delete if needed.

wynderer
24th August 2010, 13:23
i know that my post was off-topic from AI -- but i always consider the source of any info/ideas -- i don't think one can really separate the two

Agape
24th August 2010, 15:23
The probability of Earthly scientists detecting and decoding 'intelligent life' signal in galaxy distanced thousands of light years away is extremely low ,
considering .
In a sense it'd be far more helpful if they were trying to 'send a signal' rather than detecting it.

Unless the source of the intelligent signal is present, in the vincity of this Solar system at least, they will be mostly getting white noise and even if there's an intelligent frequency within the white noise but not specifically targeted to us/earth,

they won't be able to decode it, as if you broadcast radio program to space and it will travel for millions of years ( supposedly ) and hope that at the end, someone will hear you.


They should try analyzing UFO radar trails and whatever traces of intelligent ET activity is available and see if they can trace intelligent sequence.
For, if the source is an ET intelligence advanced enough to cross the space there is always also intelligent pattern , sequence in all its move.

Unless they're able to decipher what is near, searching so far will be useless.



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frank samuel
25th August 2010, 01:55
I recall from the interview with Dr. Pete Peterson he talked about a radar he was involved in inventing which was so sensitive and powerful that it detects alien ships entering our galaxy. Paraphrasing what he said , "there where so many ships entering our galaxy that it was in fact impossible to monitor". The coming generations will make contact not because aliens are out in the universe but because many are already living among us, is just a matter of time before many begin to reveal themselves. Of course this is just speculation, or is it, only time will tell.

Many blessings to all.:thumb:

OnyxKnight
25th August 2010, 18:26
There are actually sentient synthetic civilizations, one in the system of Delta Scorpii, and another one that exists in the vicinity of the system of V404 Cygni. Maybe our scientists are beginning to "get it". Or maybe something led them to tell us this at this point in time? In any case, interesting.

Agape
25th August 2010, 21:14
I recall from the interview with Dr. Pete Peterson he talked about a radar he was involved in inventing which was so sensitive and powerful that it detects alien ships entering our galaxy. Paraphrasing what he said , "there where so many ships entering our galaxy that it was in fact impossible to monitor". The coming generations will make contact not because aliens are out in the universe but because many are already living among us, is just a matter of time before many begin to reveal themselves. Of course this is just speculation, or is it, only time will tell.

Many blessings to all.:thumb:


I understand. But guess it's one line of scientific speculation from his/their side. They have UFO objects on radars and much more in space but they're not able to identify them or discriminate which is which, especially in distance.

The positivity comes with discernment and being able to decode near sequencies which is not always the case, so far.

Some people claiming their rights to certain level of objectivity but huge part of what is ET intelligencies work remains naturally hidden,


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