The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

I created this thread title with a genuine question. No wonder climate change experts are arguing.

I welcome research, references, perspectives and intelligent analysis that might help me and others to understand this. (Carmody? Amzer Zo? Lazio? And Vivek -- where are you? :) )

These two articles were published, independently, on the same day.

The Antarctic:

http://forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record





Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record – For Most Ice Ever This Time of Year




Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.

National Public Radio (NPR) published an article on its website last month claiming, “Ten years ago, a piece of ice the size of Rhode Island disintegrated and melted in the waters off Antarctica. Two other massive ice shelves along the Antarctic Peninsula had suffered similar fates a few years before. The events became poster children for the effects of global warming. … There’s no question that unusually warm air triggered the final demise of these huge chunks of ice.”

NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.

(continued here (http://forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record)...)

The Arctic:

http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-ice-shrinks-time-low-half-1980-size-175242723.html





Arctic ice shrinks to all-time low; half 1980 size

In a critical climate indicator showing an ever warming world, the amount of ice in the Arctic Ocean shrank to an all-time low this year, obliterating old records.

The ice cap at the North Pole measured 1.32 million square miles on Sunday. That's 18 percent smaller than the previous record of 1.61 million square miles set in 2007, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo. Records go back to 1979 based on satellite tracking.

"On top of that, we're smashing a record that smashed a record," said data center scientist Walt Meier. Sea ice shrank in 2007 to levels 22 percent below the previous record of 2005.

Ice in the Arctic melts in summer and grows in winter, and it started growing again on Monday. In the 1980s, Meier said, summer sea ice would cover an area slightly smaller than the Lower 48 states. Now it is about half that.

(continued here (http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-ice-shrinks-time-low-half-1980-size-175242723.html)...)

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill,

In my opinion, it means that the sea level might eventually decrease, if this pattern is continued.

If it was the contrary (antarctic melt down), the sea level would increase.

However, there´s a misrepresentation of a polar bear in the Antarctic article. There are no bears in the part of the planet. So, they´re still in danger of extinction, since the Arctic is melting down alarmingly fast.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

This is not about the ice in the Artic and the Antartic Bill, this is just another topic thrown in our faces with the intention of pitting one mindset against the other and brainwashing the masses to choose sides....Next you'll hear that this is the reason that coastal cities are not yet experiencing severe flooding from global warming and the melting of the ice caps! (they have to come up with an excuse one way or another to explain ocean levels not severely rising) THIS IS A GOOD REASON.


I'm sure there is one group of people thinking this massive weight shift will cause the planet to flip over too!

Either way it will not change the facts from the "officials" that "global warming" is not a natural Earth cycle but caused by humans and that if we all don't start paying carbon taxes we are all going to die.

I have never experienced more double talk in my lifetime than I have experienced just in the last couple of years.....

Edit: ADDED words in red.....

[Bill Ryan]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

[Kryztian]

Assuming the global warming theory isn't completely bunk - most of the greenhouse gasses are produced in the Northern Hemisphere where the melting is occurring. Perhaps Mother Earth is restoring balance by replacing the ice from her Antarctic Cap at the south.

As for an asymmetrical wobble - most of the land mass is in the Northern Hemisphere. Ice build up in the Southern Hemisphere would only even things out a bit.

[Fred Steeves]

(Carmody? Amzer Zo? Lazio? And Vivek -- where are you? :) )


Well Bill, I'm none of those, which reminds me of the old Fleetwood Mac line: "I can't sing, I ain't pretty, and my legs are thin".(LOL)

I am however a thoughtful observer, and what I observe in the Manmade Global Warming, Global Cooling, and now the catch all Climate Change debate, is this: An outrageous fraud that has been shockingly well exposed, but yet continues regardless.

Agenda 21 comes to mind.

Cheers,
Fred

[RMorgan]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

Hey Bill,

I wouldn´t worry about that.

The planet has gone through many dramatic changes before.

These things are just part of nature.

If we´re strong enough as a race, we´ll find a way to adapt, to survive.

If we aren´t, we´ll be extinguished (which is also part of the natural cycle). Then, after hundreds of thousands of years, another race will evolve, dominate the planet and probably study our fossils and give us weird names in science classes all over the world.

No race lasts forever, anyway.

I think it´s nonsense to worry about this stuff. It always happened and it will continue to happen until the eventual end of our planet.

Cheers,

Raf.

[13th Warrior]

Let's see; it's Summer in the Arctic and winter in the Antarctic,with the seasons now in transition...

[SilentFeathers]

Then, after hundreds of thousands of years, another race will evolve, dominate the planet and probably study our fossils and give us weird names in science classes all over the world.

...and they'll probably be only 2 or 3 feet tall and find our 6 foot tall skeletons and claim that "there were giants in ancient times"

and then they dig up and old space shuttle and claim "ancient astronauts" visited their planet in the past.

but some of us of today will survive and evolve but follow an extreme law to never again interfere with the process of life on Earth because of our past catastrophic mistakes.....but we will monitor the process from special ships and occasionally be seen by the new races on this planet and they will say we are aliens from other planets! We will become the "watchers"! LOL!

PS: they may actually find the ruins of one of our nuclear power plants and notice that it was a circular building and think that it was an ancient sacred religious temple and that it was some type of "machine" we used to "speak to the Gods"....

[AriG]

Is it at all possible that the gradual magnetic pole shift is affecting the ice? If this “reality” is truly electro-magnetic at its core (pardon the pun) would it not manifest change both at its poles and all points in between? Ironic how this issue has polarized humans especially given the aeons its been studied- 33 years! Perhaps mother earth re-invents herself and to perish or adapt has now become a conscious choice.?

[Vitalux]

Bill ....just my thoughts....

My background is actually in environmental sciences and chemical engineering.

Keeping things simple which is key.

The climate changes rather human's exist here for not.
Our planet's motion through the solar system, as well as our Sun's motion through our Galaxy are constantly changing.
We have absolutely no control over what the heavenly bodies do.

We, exist, like all other conscious souls, rather it be insects, animals, plants, etc..
Similar to the insects, plants and animals, we all share the same living space.

The planet has been around for billions of years.
Human's have been around on this planet for billions of years.

We will accomplish about as much by worrying about climate changes as the plants, insects and animals do.
I think it is better to experience living in the present moment with love, rather than to live in the present moment worrying about fear of tomorrows wows of things which we can't even fathom or control.

Myself, I enjoy change.
:hippie:

therefore :The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

It means just that.....The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing.

[Hervé]

Arctic ice is melting --> humid Arctic air --> therefore, this:

From Robert Felix's site: http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/thousands-sheep-buried-alive-snowdrifts-video/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/thousands-sheep-buried-alive-snowdrifts-video/)

Thousands of sheep buried alive in snowdrifts – Video
By Robert On September 16, 2012 ·

“Unprecedented” cold and snow in Iceland.

Thousands of sheep (13,000) buried alive in snowdrifts is nothing short of disastrous.

Here’s a video showing the rescue of a sheep buried by snow.



mVEXreQirrk

Snow in North Iceland in early September is not unheard of but snowfall of two to three meters overnight at this time of year—when the sheep are still in highland pastures—is highly unusual.

Two to three meters (7-11 feet) of snow overnight! That’s a small taste of what the mammoths experienced.

[...]

Record snowfall

According to the Iceland Review Online, “it is believed to be a new record for snowfall at this time of the year”.

http://www.icelandreview.com/iceland...3526.news.aspx (http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_life/Winter_Strikes_%28ESA%29_0_393526.news.aspx) http://climaterealists.com/?id=10227

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVEXreQirrk

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2...comment-134307 (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/unprecedented-cold-and-snow-in-iceland/#comment-134307)

http://www.icelandreview.com/iceland...3377.news.aspx (http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/Early_Snow_in_North_Iceland,_Storm_Warning_Issued_0_393377.news.aspx)

Thanks to Robert van deLeur, Laurel, Michael Gribble, Greg Mantle and Eunice Farmilant for these links.

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That means there is an actual "global warming" occurring which increases the atmospheric humidity which, in turn, gets dumped as snow around the polar areas. That's how ice ages start.

The main difference between Arctic and Antarctic is that the ice in the Arctic sits on sea water whereas in the Antarctic, glaciers sit on land. Hence in the Arctic, ice gets warmed up at both ends; above and below.

To screw up things even more, the Thermohaline Conveyor Belt (Gulf Stream) is missing its Gulf of Mexico feeder and falls short of reaching the North Atlantic areas (British Isles, Iceland) which further compounds the problem with keeping the jet stream (the frontier between cold Arctic air and warm tropical air) south of where it should be. That's gona make for a nasty winter for Northern European countries.

[bogeyman]

It means we only have limited data, based upon out scientific techniques and technology, and we are still learning how this planet functions. It seems by the time we have learnt about how the Earth and it eco systems work, it will be too polluted and damaged beyond repair, hence not more mankind or life of any kind. This is why there is always conflicting information. Freezing, melting, national phenomena according to some etc, etc...etc.....

[Cartomancer]

Perhaps the same slow wobble of the earth that already exists is causing a dynamic by which the N and S hemispheres are subject to differential heating and cooling. The wobble takes so much time to move that changes would fist occur slowly. Next a tipping point would be reached and we would see a rapid change in what is happening. The same wobble of the earth that causes the procession of the zodiac could easily cause climate differences over its long cycle. It causes the mid latitudes to be heated and cooled enough to change things. The amount of time involved for these changes to occur are not easily comprehended by most people. This dynamic may have caused the last N. Hemisphere ice age. Perhaps it is time for a southern hemisphere ice age. Given the scheme set forth here that's the way it would work.

[Hervé]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

Assymetrical from one pole to the other but still evenly distributed about the rotation axis and therefore it's a no-change with respect to generating a wobble.

What would be different is the building of a land mass -- let's say a growing volcanic island -- somewhere on the Equator... like out of the Mid Atlantic Ocean Ridge...

[13th Warrior]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

Assymetrical from one pole to the other but still evenly distributed about the rotation axis and therefore it's a no-change with respect to generating a wobble.

What would be different is the building of a land mass -- let's say a growing volcanic island -- somewhere on the Equator... like out of the Mid Atlantic Ocean Ridge...

Think of a spinning ice skater.

[Hervé]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

Assymetrical from one pole to the other but still evenly distributed about the rotation axis and therefore it's a no-change with respect to generating a wobble.

What would be different is the building of a land mass -- let's say a growing volcanic island -- somewhere on the Equator... like out of the Mid Atlantic Ocean Ridge...

Think of a spinning ice skater.

... with only one arm folding in, the other remaining extended... won't stay on the ice for long :) .

[Carmody]

To screw up things even more, the Thermohaline Conveyor Belt (Gulf Stream) is missing its Gulf of Mexico feeder and falls short of reaching the North Atlantic areas (British Isles, Iceland) which further compounds the problem with keeping the jet stream (the frontier between cold Arctic air and warm tropical air) south of where it should be. That's gonna make for a nasty winter for Northern European countries.


Yes, I could feel that in the weather and the wind, already.

As far as the arctic melting, I had read that this would cause high humidity and drought issues elsewhere, very much like an added mass and added energetic in the rotating and flowing air below, the various jet stream components. That the atmospheric patterns would be come more stratified, like the surface appearance of Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, etc. Striped patterning that is more obvious than it is now, on earth. This would also give rise to more storms, is the likely scenario, along the changeover areas of the stratification. A minor movement in that overall direction, year on year.

(to clarify, I was looking at atlases and such when I was 12-13 years old or so, worrying about arctic and antarctic melts and rising sea levels. looking at these emergent issues. that's 35 years ago)

The paradox that the cool humid air off the arctic expanding... is that this would give the impression of freezing issues, just below that of the arctic and also the added humidity would cause both reflection and absorption issues, thermally, in the atmosphere. all this causes a well nigh unpredictable mix. thus, more shocking and sudden weather extremes,and shifted patterns.

All this besides anything involving chemtrails, spraying or potential HAARP issues, besides that of the Sun behaving differently, ie the solar system behaving differently.

So, to concur with Amer Zo, it is apparently a case of the humidity going to the place where a real freeze is happening, and that is the antarctic.

And if it goes to the antarctic, it is like a porcupine quill....it is probably not coming back out any time soon. That all advance in ice and snow in the antarctic, regarding short term aspects, is likely to not come back out again. That there may possibly be a 'year on year' advance in the antarctic mass.

[AriG]

What would be different is the building of a land mass -- let's say a growing volcanic island -- somewhere on the Equator... like out of the Mid Atlantic Ocean Ridge...

Something like this? http://geology.com/usgs/loihi-seamount/

[Kindred]

Personally, I don't think Anyone truly 'Knows Why'... we have some good guesses, based on what 'experts' observe and postulate about, but little else of substance. None of us alive and no civilization or their records has lasted long enough to document the cycles, although I suspect that "Someone" could fill us in on what's happening, and is going to 'happen'.

And, no, I don't think human production of CO2 is a major source of the problem and this has been somewhat verified by some researchers. (sorry, don't have the time to find the link to the rather illustrative video that described this, but I know it's around) Just the same, I'd prefer to see a paradigm change in how we acquire and use energy - and I see this happening soon - but Never soon enough, IMO.

Ultimately, I also don't think that anyone of us will last 'long enough' to worry about any major climatic changes into a new 'normal'. However, we will experience the fluctuation of said changes and I suspect that is what we are seeing now.

Go with the Flow, I say!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[ljwheat]

Bill ....just my thoughts....

My background is actually in environmental sciences and chemical engineering.

Keeping things simple which is key.

The climate changes rather human's exist here for not.
Our planet's motion through the solar system, as well as our Sun's motion through our Galaxy are constantly changing.
We have absolutely no control over what the heavenly bodies do.

We, exist, like all other conscious souls, rather it be insects, animals, plants, etc..
Similar to the insects, plants and animals, we all share the same living space.

The planet has been around for billions of years.
Human's have been around on this planet for billions of years.

We will accomplish about as much by worrying about climate changes as the plants, insects and animals do.
I think it is better to experience living in the present moment with love, rather than to live in the present moment worrying about fear of tomorrows wows of things which we can't even fathom or control.

Myself, I enjoy change.
:hippie:

therefore :The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

It means just that.....The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing.


A good friend of mine sent me this joke form the past, and shows what your saying, in a coin. To much thinking leads to missing something.

A chuckle from way down memory lane.
The Lone Ranger and Tonto

The Lone Ranger and Tonto went camping in the desert. After they got their tent all set up, both men fell sound asleep.

Some hours later, Tonto wakes the Lone Ranger and says, 'Kemo Sabe, look towards sky, what you see? '


'The Lone Ranger replies, 'I see millions of stars.'

'What that tell you?' asked Tonto.

The Lone Ranger ponders for a minute then says, 'Astronomically speaking, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo. Time wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter past three in the morning. Theologically, the Lord is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant Meteorologically, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow.

What does it tell you, Tonto?'

'You dumber than buffalo ****! It means someone stole the tent.'

[araucaria]

Sites like http://wattsupwiththat.com/ explain how the two polar regions function together but out of phase. In other words, they both oscillate between melting while the other freezes over and freezing while the other melts.

This is specially designed to produce endless controversy since the catastrophists always have one pole where they can point to melting, while the 'deniers' always have the other where they can point to freezing.
:)

[Siegfried The 7]

some of us of today will survive and evolve but follow an extreme law to never again interfere with the process of life on Earth because of our past catastrophic mistakes.....but we will monitor the process from special ships and occasionally be seen by the new races on this planet and they will say we are aliens from other planets! We will become the "watchers"! LOL!

..hey, you know, sometimes i wonder if this is our reality and previous civilizations made it off the planet to space and just like to peek in and see how the new class is doing. Off topic I know. Sorry, but i had to comment...carry on...:o

[MorningSong]

If I may...

These sites might help you to find some of the answers... or might form more questions:

National Snow and Ice Data:
http://nsidc.org/

Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow, The Cryosphere Today:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

Artic Sea Ice Monitor:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/index.htm

Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory:
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/noaa-gfdl-climate-research-highlights-ar4/index.html?_rewrite_sticky=research/climate/highlights/index.html#seaice

Milutin Milankovic:
http://www.teslasociety.com/milankovic.htm

And for more (or less?) courageous readers:
http://www.habtheory.com/index.php
http://www.habtheory.com/3/index.php

[Midnight]

Because of the record melt of arctic sea ice, I've lately been checking out two sites, RealClimate and Arctic Sea Ice Blog (neven1.typepad.com). The posters on these 2 sites are climate scientists, other scientists, and science savy types. The terminology they use often makes it hard for me to understand what they are talking about, but it's clear that most of them think we are headed for big trouble in the next few decades. The great majority of these posters believe human co2 production is the main factor in this current global warming, and that there are other factors that magnify the effect such as dark ocean water reflects less sunlight than white ice, and methane plumes are being released from exposed decayed plant life (methane being a potent greenhouse gas).

They explain why the antarctic isn't melting while the arctic is, but to be honest I didn't understand. They have a language that requires years of science education.

I get the sense that the great majority of climate scientists are now believers in human caused global warming, and that the majority of these believe various degrees of catastrophe await us sometime in this century. They refer to climate deniers, so I know they exist, but, except for one or two, the deniers don't visit these two sites. The so-called climate deniers are a minority, I believe.

Do I think they are right about their prediction that we are on a run-away train headed for climate catastrophe, and that even if the people running this planet immediately turned away from burning carbon (and we know they won't), it's probably already too late? I think they are more likely right than wrong. But I hope they're wrong.

[araucaria]

As far as I can tell, the AGW (anthropogenic global warming) skeptics at the site I mentioned above seem to make a cogent scientific case contradicting the ‘warmists’ claim that runaway climate change is upon us.

Certainly, even a non-specialist can see from the leaked emails of ‘Climategate’ a while back that the science was not being done in an ethical fashion. Most notably, Michael Mann’s infamous ‘hockeystick’ graph, showing a mostly flat graph with a sharp rise at the end, was generated by an algorithm that produces nothing but hockey sticks whatever the data.

Another controversial issue is the siting of weather stations, which have often been caught up in urban sprawl, with consequent higher temperature readings. Certainly urban sprawl produces higher temperatures, but this has nothing to do with CO2 levels.

Science is usually driven by funding, hence a political agenda is never far away, and funding is funneled towards compliant scientists.

I’m sure there is a lot of good science been done out there somewhere, but where?

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks for this, Mr. Bill Ryan
Have been watching this developing on the" 2 minute news " reports daily...one could estimate if the situation continues, the earth will have to "slip" a bit to conform to the weight changes at the poles...but it sure is evident that the north pole is facing the sun more directly than usual...
Blessings

[modwiz]

It means Gaia has cycles and ways of creating equilibrium in time spans we can only appreciate in hindsight. Pollution is disgusting and life threatening all on its' own, irrespective of what is probably zero climatic impact. Pollution must come to and end regardless if the planet is warming or cooling.

All is well.

[Rocky_Shorz]

notice on the north pole how energy is circled around the center, also notice the Jet Stream loop drawing warm temps from the Gulf straight to the north pole...


http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Asia.gif
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Australia.gif
http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/Satellite/Total%20Electron%20Content/Regional%20Maps/World_tec.gif
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/gif/pmapN.gif
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/gif/pmapS.gif
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ace/Mag_swe_24h.gif
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Xray.gif

this shows the magnetic field around our planet it take a lot of memory so I'm just leaving a lint to the EOG movie
http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080/IswaSystemWebApp/iSWACygnetStreamer?timestamp=2038-01-23%2000:44:00&window=-1&cygnetId=40

if the north pole is shifting why is the energy perfectly centered?

by what we can see it is the south pole field that is off center...

[Hawkwind]

As I understand it, weather patterns tend to emanate from the equator toward the poles. The distinct difference in temperatures at the poles might then be due to the fact that weather in the Northern Hemisphere is being messed with (HAARP, chemtrails, greenhouse gases, etc.) to a far greater degree than in the Southern Hemisphere.

[christian]

From Activist Post (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/migrating-north-pole-contributing-to.html):



Migrating North Pole Contributing to Severe Weather?

Few can argue that severe weather is currently impacting the globe. Certainly the record droughts in America have become a huge concern for food prices, which has subsequently sparked an uptick in alarming climate change rhetoric.

As the Northern Hemisphere has experienced one of the warmest summers on record, Arctic ice has receded considerably, prompting the typical global warming "collapse" discussion. While northern ice has indeed reached new modern lows, ice in the southern hemisphere continent of Antarctica has reached record highs. Charts for both hemispheres can be seen here.

So, clearly some kind of shift is happening, but perhaps the answer is not as simple as CO2 concentrations like the establishment would like us to believe. There seem to be much larger galactic-scale forces at play that are affecting not just Earth but all planets in the solar system. One of those forces appears to be Earth's rapidly migrating magnetic North Pole, as can be seen in the video below.

This video does an excellent job of explaining how this anomaly may fit in to the bigger picture of our shifting climate vs. the limited human-centric, 200-year-long version that gets politicized:

uI10tKuLtFU

With the Earth's magnetic North Pole shifting by 40 miles per year, this event is already causing airports to adjust their runways. It is bound to change prevailing winds, ocean currents and many other factors involved in maintaining a stable and predictable climate.

[doodah]

Although there is nothing we can do about these things, I can understand Bill's desire to understand what's going on, if it's possible to understand it correctly.

I've paid attention to some of these issues, and have been very alarmed by the evidence of low-level volcanic activity, and the significant earthquakes, in New Zealand in the recent years. When NZ became suddenly active, I began to wonder what that was about. Christchurch, NZ, is the supply point for flights to the Antarctic research stations and now Christchurch is practically in rubble, as I understand it, one earthquake after another (but any Kiwis here, please confirm or correct me in this).

Then just recently a floating mass of pumice (lightweight volcanic rock) the size of Rhode Island appeared off the coast of NZ. Since there have only been "signs" of low level volcanic activity in NZ and no violent volcanic activity on land, I assume that this pumice comes from undersea volcanoes. I haven't heard that this pumice migrated there from some other place on the planet.

This suggests that undersea volcanic activity (heating) has increased, at the same time that the Antarctic has more ice than normal (cooling).

What these two opposing forces add up to, and how they work together at the same time, I'm not sure. But I keep remembering Dr. Bill Deagle's assertions that global warming is related more to undersea volcanic activity than to anything else - and that there are thousands of undersea volcanoes. Undersea heating will also affect the Atlantic Conveyor by causing salt water to rise to the surface (warm water being lighter than cold water), displacing the fresh water that normally rests there.

This all makes sense to me, but I invite the scientists in this group to correct any errors in my understanding. What I'm seeing in my imagination is an expanding planet. The planet has expanded before, several times, according to geological evidence.

While I agree that pollution must stop NOW, or better, yesterday, and we must get off of coal and petroleum for the health of the planet and its lifeforms, it is quite possible that the quantities of methane being released by unexplained warming is more significant than human-generated CO2.

[olgraybear]

If I may...

These sites might help you to find some of the answers... or might form more questions:

National Snow and Ice Data:
http://nsidc.org/

Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow, The Cryosphere Today:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

Artic Sea Ice Monitor:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/index.htm

Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory:
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/noaa-gfdl-climate-research-highlights-ar4/index.html?_rewrite_sticky=research/climate/highlights/index.html#seaice

Milutin Milankovic:
http://www.teslasociety.com/milankovic.htm

And for more (or less?) courageous readers:
http://www.habtheory.com/index.php
http://www.habtheory.com/3/index.php



Thanks for your excellent info and help MorningSong

[Watching from Cyprus]

This is not about the ice in the Artic and the Antartic Bill, this is just another topic thrown in our faces with the intention of pitting one mindset against the other and brainwashing the masses to choose sides....Next you'll hear that this is the reason that coastal cities are not yet experiencing severe flooding from global warming and the melting of the ice caps! (they have to come up with an excuse one way or another to explain ocean levels not severely rising) THIS IS A GOOD REASON.


I'm sure there is one group of people thinking this massive weight shift will cause the planet to flip over too!

Either way it will not change the facts from the "officials" that "global warming" is not a natural Earth cycle but caused by humans and that if we all don't start paying carbon taxes we are all going to die.

I have never experienced more double talk in my lifetime than I have experienced just in the last couple of years.....

Edit: ADDED words in red.....

Exactly SF ..... Could it be that the planned new world currency of the elite will be backed by the so-called hard asset named "Carbon Credits" ?? since it will be guaranteed by every person on the planet contributing to the printing, although such a scheme will not benefit the elite with their population reduction plan... or will it.. i am thinking now (or trying :-) If they succeed with their population reduction plan which will reduce the carbon output globally or in other words Carbon outputs (the asset backing the new money) will be scares, and all assets becoming scares goes up in price .... sorry just putting down what i was thinking, so maybe it is just a stupid nonsense brain fart ...

Any comments ?

Love you all
Peter

[Hervé]

[...]

So, to concur with Amer Zo, it is apparently a case of the humidity going to the place where a real freeze is happening, and that is the antarctic.

And if it goes to the antarctic, it is like a porcupine quill....it is probably not coming back out any time soon. That all advance in ice and snow in the antarctic, regarding short term aspects, is likely to not come back out again. That there may possibly be a 'year on year' advance in the antarctic mass.

A point of clarification may be needed here and that is that the Northern and Southern Hemispheres air masses and their content do not mix with each other and are distinctly separated at the Equator. Hence, what's occurring with each hemisphere is inherent to that particular hemisphere. This may be the reason why some of the elites are moving to the Southern Hemisphere in case they manage to concoct a nuclear war in the Northern Hemisphere.



As far as the arctic melting, I had read that this would cause high humidity and drought issues elsewhere, very much like an added mass and added energetic in the rotating and flowing air below, the various jet stream components. That the atmospheric patterns would be come more stratified, like the surface appearance of Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, etc. Striped patterning that is more obvious than it is now, on earth. This would also give rise to more storms, is the likely scenario, along the changeover areas of the stratification. A minor movement in that overall direction, year on year.

The paradox that the cool humid air off the arctic expanding... is that this would give the impression of freezing issues, just below that of the arctic and also the added humidity would cause both reflection and absorption issues, thermally, in the atmosphere. all this causes a well nigh unpredictable mix. thus, more shocking and sudden weather extremes,and shifted patterns.


There is another layer that's being slowly added to the atmospheric layers which is being demonstrated by the increase in sightings of noctilucent clouds. That's cometary dust accumulating and hanging out in earth's high atmosphere and acts the same way as volcanic ash does in its repercusions on weather systems and cooling/warming effects.

[Lazlo]

This is not about the ice in the Artic and the Antartic Bill, this is just another topic thrown in our faces with the intention of pitting one mindset against the other and brainwashing the masses to choose sides....Next you'll hear that this is the reason that coastal cities are not yet experiencing severe flooding from global warming and the melting of the ice caps! (they have to come up with an excuse one way or another to explain ocean levels not severely rising) THIS IS A GOOD REASON.


I'm sure there is one group of people thinking this massive weight shift will cause the planet to flip over too!

Either way it will not change the facts from the "officials" that "global warming" is not a natural Earth cycle but caused by humans and that if we all don't start paying carbon taxes we are all going to die.

I have never experienced more double talk in my lifetime than I have experienced just in the last couple of years.....

Edit: ADDED words in red.....

Exactly SF ..... Could it be that the planned new world currency of the elite will be backed by the so-called hard asset named "Carbon Credits" ?? since it will be guaranteed by every person on the planet contributing to the printing, although such a scheme will not benefit the elite with their population reduction plan... or will it.. i am thinking now (or trying :-) If they succeed with their population reduction plan which will reduce the carbon output globally or in other words Carbon outputs (the asset backing the new money) will be scares, and all assets becoming scares goes up in price .... sorry just putting down what i was thinking, so maybe it is just a stupid nonsense brain fart ...

Any comments ?

Love you all
Peter

Carbon markets, renewable energy credits, and trading has collapsed in price. The large players in the renewable energy space no longer count on selling the REC's as a driver in their models. SREC conracts were going for over $400 per MWH a couple of years ago and now can be bought for well under $100. Chicago Mercantile suspended trading credits when they went under $10.

IF.... there really was a plan for a global currency based on carbon credits, it's DOA.

[TargeT]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

since its building up at one of the poles ( fairly balanced as far as centrifugal force is concerned) I highly doubt this is the case.

Also, have the sources in this been "checked out" ?

we had RECORD ice build up in the bearing sea last winter (2011/2012 winter) we had a fish processing plant close due to ice (something that hasen't happened in 20 years) and snow fall that decimated every snow fall on record for Alaska.

We also had a summer with temps that never broke 72* ( 22.2 C) with an enormous amount of rain fall (under a flood watch right now) so I'm a bit skeptical (though of course this is just ONE small(ish) area of the sub-arctic region, it might be oppisite elsewhere (though I doubt it)).


I love reading people post how bad the summer is in the northern hemisphere when they only experience a small portion of it, its been a COLD WET summer up here (though it has been like this since 2006, so nothing super new to report there...)

[13th Warrior]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

since its building up at one of the poles ( fairly balanced as far as centrifugal force is concerned) I highly doubt this is the case.

Also, have the sources in this been "checked out" ?

we had RECORD ice build up in the bearing sea last winter (2011/2012 winter) we had a fish processing plant close due to ice (something that hasen't happened in 20 years) and snow fall that decimated every snow fall on record for Alaska.

We also had a summer with temps that never broke 72* ( 22.2 C) with an enormous amount of rain fall (under a flood watch right now) so I'm a bit skeptical (though of course this is just ONE small(ish) area of the sub-arctic region, it might be oppisite elsewhere (though I doubt it)).


I love reading people post how bad the summer is in the northern hemisphere when they only experience a small portion of it, its been a COLD WET summer up here (though it has been like this since 2006, so nothing super new to report there...)

Coastal and near coastal temperatures tend to be more stable because of the buffering effect of the water body.

[Lazlo]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

This actually isn't too far fetched. Earth Crust Displacement. Charles Hapgood proposed this theory and it was endorsed by Einstein. The crust of the Earth is like and orange peel, except that it rests on a viscous, but fluid surface. This is one possible explanation for mammoths found in permafrost with fresh berries in their mouths, and at the other end of the globe, maps which show an Antarctic coastline free of ice. It also coincides with global myths about the sun standing still, or in other areas, darkness which lasted for days. Velikovsky danced around this and De Santillana and Von Deschend made references in "Hamlet's Mill", though they ascribed it to different causes.

Hapgood also provides a good segueway for some of my own thoughts on the Arctic and Antarctic ice changes. In "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings" (which was also a sorce for Graham Hancock in "Fingerprints of the Gods") there is ample evidence that humans made voyages to the southern hemispher at a time that the coastlines of Antarctica were ice free.

When you consider sources such as the Piri Reis map which shows the ice free Antarctic coast, I try to apply the K.I.S.S. rule, or Occam's Razor, if you like. We have a map that exists. Either
1: someone made an astounding guess as to what was on the other side of the planet and under the ice
2: Aliens or Atlanteans took meaurement using ice penetrating radar from orbit
3: Antarctic coastlines were free of ice at some point during human history, and were visited and mapped by explorers.

I'm going with three, and this tells us that dramatic changes in the ice caps do occur.

At the other end of the world, you need look no farther than Jared Diamond's "Collapse" and his investigation into the Norse colonization of Greenland to know that dramatic changes occur in the Northern Hemisphere as well. During the midieval warm period (frustratingly ignored in the hockey stick graph) there were wild grapes in Nova Scotia and farming in Greenland. Then came the little ice age and you had people ice skating in Holland's canals.

As others here have referenced, weather patterns in the hemisphere's are isolated from one another by the equator, even though the thermohaline conveyer does cross the equator, but on very long time scales in the order of thousands of years.

In my eyes, evidence of large melting and freezing cycles casts doubt on the ice core dating techniques used for establishing paleo climate records. Ice cores are dated in a method similar to tree ring dating. Count the layers and start dating backwards. One layer equals one year. The problem is that during warm periods when you have ice loss, the record for that year is obliterated. Likewise if you have intra-seasonal warming events, multiple distinct layers are preserved in the snowpack (which is compressed to form the ice pack.) This is self evident to anyone who has dug an avalanche pit.

Then toss in the uncertainty in climate models and you have a perfect recipe for the scientific establishment not knowing as much as it thinks it does. It's all terribly complex, yet we try to reduce it to easily understood principles. Cosmic rays make clouds, clouds reflect sunlight, but also provide an insulating layer which keeps temperatures warmer at night. Increased temperatures increase evaporation, which forms clouds. Cloud formation is one of the key drivers in climate, yet it is so chaotic and poorly understood that climate models don't even attempt to model it accurately, so the models use a generic term in the equations, a fudge factor if you will, just like Einstein's cosmological constant. "I don't what is happening, so I have to put something into the equations to get the result that I am expecting." Yada, yada, yada...

Apologies for rambling on, and thanks if you stuck it out this far ;)

[MorningSong]

Look at this interactive site.... it shows the varous levels of Sea Ice Area in the Artic... the yellow line is 2012.. shows and increase in ice this past winter and a huge loss this summer.....

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

[TargeT]

Coastal and near coastal temperatures tend to be more stable because of the buffering effect of the water body.

Alaska does have a lot of coast line, but it has a LOT of land mass as well.. I'm not speaking just of the town I live in, I manage assets all over Alaska & often have to travel to them, what I posted is a generalization of the entirety of Alaska.


Look at this interactive site.... it shows the varous levels of Sea Ice Area in the Artic... the yellow line is 2012.. shows and increase in ice this past winter and a huge loss this summer.....

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

I could see this being the case, the constant cloud cover keeps a lot of "warmth" in, especialy in the artic circle and above.

[MorningSong]

This article is a must read for anyone truely wanting to understand the topic in the OP, IMO:

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html



http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/images/arc_antarc_1979_2011.png

[MorningSong]

More charts:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_daily_extent_dthumb.png

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries_thumb.png



Arctic sea ice extent settles at record seasonal minimum
September 19, 2012

On September 16, Arctic sea ice appeared to have reached its minimum extent for the year of 3.41 million square kilometers (1.32 million square miles). This is the lowest seasonal minimum extent in the satellite record since 1979 and reinforces the long-term downward trend in Arctic ice extent. The sea ice extent will now begin its seasonal increase through autumn and winter.

Please note that this is a preliminary announcement. Changing winds could still push ice floes together, reducing ice extent further. NSIDC scientists will release a full analysis of the melt season in early October, once monthly data are available for September.

Overview of conditions

On September 16, 2012 sea ice extent dropped to 3.41 million square kilometers (1.32 million square miles). This appears to have been the lowest extent of the year. In response to the setting sun and falling temperatures, ice extent will now climb through autumn and winter. However, a shift in wind patterns or a period of late season melt could still push the ice extent lower. The minimum extent was reached three days later than the 1979 to 2000 average minimum date of September 13.

This year’s minimum was 760,000 square kilometers (293,000 square miles) below the previous record minimum extent in the satellite record, which occurred on September 18, 2007. This is an area about the size of the state of Texas. The September 2012 minimum was in turn 3.29 million square kilometers (1.27 million square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average minimum, representing an area nearly twice the size of the state of Alaska. This year’s minimum is 18% below 2007 and 49% below the 1979 to 2000 average.

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year.

Conditions in context

The six lowest seasonal minimum ice extents in the satellite record have all occurred in the last six years (2007 to 2012). In contrast to 2007, when climatic conditions (winds, clouds, air temperatures) favored summer ice loss, this year’s conditions were not as extreme. Summer temperatures across the Arctic were warmer than average, but cooler than in 2007. The most notable event was a very strong storm centered over the central Arctic Ocean in early August. It is likely that the primary reason for the large loss of ice this summer is that the ice cover has continued to thin and become more dominated by seasonal ice. This thinner ice was more prone to be broken up and melted by weather events, such as the strong low pressure system just mentioned. The storm sped up the loss of the thin ice that appears to have been already on the verge of melting completely.

Varying distribution of ice in 2012 vs. 2007

The spatial pattern of ice extent at this year’s seasonal minimum is different than that observed for 2007. This year the ice is more extensive in some parts of the central Arctic Ocean. However, the ice is less extensive this year compared to 2007 in the Beaufort Sea, the western Laptev Sea, the East Greenland Sea, and parts of the Canadian Archipelago. As mentioned in our previous post, the Northern Sea Route opened around mid August this year, compared to 2007 when a tongue of ice extended to the coast, blocking the route throughout the summer.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/09/20070918_vs_20120916-350x516.png

Figure 3. The image above shows the different distribution of ice extent at the time of the September 2012 minimum, compared to the September 2007 minimum. Dark gray indicates where ice extent was present only in 2007; white indicates where ice extent was present only in 2012; and light gray shows where ice extent was present in both 2007 and 2012.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
High resolution image


http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

[GlassSteagallfan]

One topic not quite stressed here is the tons of methane under the artic ice. Suspicious0bserver at '2 minute news' today (21 Sept 2012) says if you google 'methane' and 'extinction' together, it'll keep you busy for days. And a warm winter forecast...

This first 30+ seconds takes a glimpse at the current thread:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MBgIcyZ3GQ&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ&index=1&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MBgIcyZ3GQ&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ&index=1&feature=plcp

[Mark]

Gotta love methane clathrates at the bottom of the ocean, warming, being released. A feedback loop indeed. Anybody post up info yet about the methane plumes up by Siberia?

Fun stuff.

How about the fact that the Gulf of Mexico disconnected from the Gulf Stream when Macondo exploded? Won't find too many articles talking about that but I was watching closely. No mention in the msm of course, but there were the odd scientific articles speaking about it without any reference to the oil. It occurred for the first time (http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/gulf-of-mexico-loop-current-has-disconnected-since-oil-disaster/) during that horrific event. There is science on how oil causes currents to slow or, as is apparently the case now, stop.

The implications of that should be clear.

I wonder does that count as a source of Anthropogenic Global Warming? Especially since the wildest weather has occurred after this event? The slowing of the Gulf Stream and the subsequent effect upon Europe and the Northern Hemisphere in general?

With that said, this science initated by CERN (http://www.skepticalscience.com/cern-cloud-proves-cosmic-rays-causing-global-warming.htm) regarding the sun's effect adds to the overall picture. It is not a smoking gun, nor does the science fully support a totally sun-initiated warming spate. But it is another factor in the equation.

EDIT: I'm adding this video, the 1st in a series of 6, that speaks to what happens as the world warms by degrees. There may be some mention of Anthropogenic warming, but, regardless of whether that is so or not, as the world warms, these are some potentialities that world-wide civilization will face. I recommend watching all 6 of the vids, they're really short, just a couple or few minutes in length.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ZQRIsn2pA

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[MorningSong]

Another good resource site for data:

http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/index.html

http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/extent_s_running_mean_previousF17.png

http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/antarctic_SSMIS_nic_small.jpg

[norman]

If the planet was a cold winter bed with one hot water bottle lovingly placed in it an hour before I got in it, and I found that one side of the bed was very cold and the other side of the bed was quite hot, I'd assume it was because my mum had not put the hot water bottle in the middle of the bed.

Perhaps the heat distribution inside the planet has shifted north. Why?... dunno...but it seems like the most likely scenario.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's a cosmic/solar cause. Certainly not a human cause though.

[mosquito]

What's going on ?

Balance

[modwiz]

I guess this means you're not such a good salesperson if you can sell a refrigerator to an Eskimo now. (PC alert)

[modwiz]

Gotta love methane clathrates at the bottom of the ocean, warming, being released. A feedback loop indeed. Anybody post up info yet about the methane plumes up by Siberia?

Fun stuff.

How about the fact that the Gulf of Mexico disconnected from the Gulf Stream when Macondo exploded? Won't find too many articles talking about that but I was watching closely. No mention in the msm of course, but there were the odd scientific articles speaking about it without any reference to the oil. It occurred for the first time (http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/gulf-of-mexico-loop-current-has-disconnected-since-oil-disaster/) during that horrific event. There is science on how oil causes currents to slow or, as is apparently the case now, stop.

The implications of that should be clear.

I wonder does that count as a source of Anthropogenic Global Warming? Especially since the wildest weather has occurred after this event? The slowing of the Gulf Stream and the subsequent effect upon Europe and the Northern Hemisphere in general?

With that said, this science initated by CERN (http://www.skepticalscience.com/cern-cloud-proves-cosmic-rays-causing-global-warming.htm) regarding the sun's effect adds to the overall picture. It is not a smoking gun, nor does the science fully support a totally sun-initiated warming spate. But it is another factor in the equation.



The Gulf stream is huge and undeniable, but they haven't figured out how a tax will fix that yet. No question, what happened in the Gulf is nothing short of demonic. How about Demonogenic warming?

[TargeT]

I guess this means you're not such a good salesperson if you can sell a refrigerator to an Eskimo now. (PC alert)

was that caveat out of fear or courtesy (which is an interesting subject in itself)?

[Bill Ryan]

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Wow. Thanks -- this is Avalon research at its very best. I'm impressed.

(Carry on! :) )

[ghostrider]

I would submit, more water in the ocean will give rise to seaquakes, more water more weight, hence the ocean floor will crack and the water level will go down. Empty caverns once filled with oil and such, now will fill with seawater and give rise to movement under the ocean floor causing pressure and displaced magma from the earth's core could lead to increased volcanoes . Secondly the pole shift, the top of the earth moving closer to the sun , the bottom moving farther away. Could be.

[ghostrider]

This article is a must read for anyone truely wanting to understand the topic in the OP, IMO:

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html



http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/images/arc_antarc_1979_2011.png

this says it all, what was up is down what was down is up, our whole earth turned upside down on every front.

[modwiz]

I guess this means you're not such a good salesperson if you can sell a refrigerator to an Eskimo now. (PC alert)

was that caveat out of fear or courtesy (which is an interesting subject in itself)?

Courtesy.:yo:

[Hervé]

From Robert Felix's site:http://iceagenow.info/2011/09/sea-level-continues-inexorable-decline/ (http://iceagenow.info/2011/09/sea-level-continues-inexorable-decline/)



Sea Level Continues Inexorable Decline

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On September 16, 2011 · 23 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2011/09/sea-level-continues-inexorable-decline/#comments)

The two-year-long decline is continuing at a rate of 5mm per year

“The latest sea level numbers are out,” says Steven Goddard on Real-Science.com. “Envisat* shows that the two year long decline is continuing, at a rate of 5mm per year.”

“No doubt Al Gore will pass this good news on to all his viewers,” laughs Goddard

(http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DecliningSeaLevel.bmp)http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DecliningSeaLevel1.png (http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DecliningSeaLevel1.png)
(http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DecliningSeaLevel.bmp)What Al probably won’t tell them, is that this decline is a continuation of the sea-level decline that began in 2010. (See http://iceagenow.info/2011/08/sea-levels-dropped-2010/ )


Where is the water going?

It’s being locked up on land as snow and ice. Look at the record snowfall throughout the Western United States this past winter. That’s how ice ages begin. If that sort of snowfall persists, sea levels will continue falling and won’t begin rising again until the end of the next ice age.


* What is Envisat?



http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Envisat_Picture-Credit-ESA.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Envisat_Picture-Credit-ESA.jpg)
Envisat (Photo Credit - ESA)

According to the European Space Agency (ESA) website, Envisat is the largest Earth Observation spacecraft (http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMWYN2VQUD_index_0_m.html) ever built. Launched in 2002, it carries ten sophisticated optical and radar instruments to provide continuous observation and monitoring of the Earth’s land, atmosphere, oceans and ice caps. Envisat data collectively provide a wealth of information on the workings of the Earth system, including insights into factors contributing to climate change.
See:
http://www.real-science.com/uncategorized/sea-level-continues-historic-decline

Envisat numbers here:
ftp://ftp.aviso.oceanobs.com/pub/oceano/AVISO/indicators/msl/MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.txt (ftp://ftp.aviso.oceanobs.com/pub/oceano/AVISO/indicators/msl/MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.txt)

See also, Sea levels dropped in 2010:
http://iceagenow.info/2011/08/sea-levels-dropped-2010/

[Hervé]

When one looks at a measuring tape, 5 millimeters (0.2") don't look to be that much and do not reflect the ENORMOUS VOLUME* of water this represents at the scale of the earth.

Especially when considering that oceans cover 75 % of this planet surface leaving about 15% for land.

Then consider that the only place all that missing water from earth's oceans, year after year, can disappear as snow and ice are these 15% of land... wouldn't take long for new ice sheets to form and develop.

Which is happening right under our nose in the Antarctic. It's still winter over there!


Edit:

* That's roughly 2000 Km^3 which don't make it back to the oceans every year.

[Midnight]

The word Eskimo is a reminder of our past relationship to indigenous people, one of exploitation. They are the Inuit. But then many Americans still call the native people that were invaded and imprisoned, Indians. India is in Asia.


The arctic ice is melting very fast. Some people talk about a tipping point. This is well worth paying attention to.

[Chuck]

For questions regarding world climate I always refer to my friend Piers Corbyn. His forecasting technique based on solar/lunar cycles are the most accurate I’ve come across. His track record speaks for itself. He uncovers a 60 year solar/lunar cycle , 30 years of relative warmth and 30 years of relative cold. We have just entered the cold stage. He’s a one man army, fighting against the “CO2 causing global warming” dogma. Piers is predicting that we are now entering a little ice age.

Piers suggests that the earth has in fact been cooling since 2007. Ice in the arctic has not been diminishing as of late but increasing. It is the strong low pressure cells that have been breaking up mass ice sheets and moving them around by strong winds and making it appear like ice disappearing/melting. “Before and after” satellite data in certain parts make it appear that ice is disappearing but in fact it is only shifting to other places.

See his website for much more information

http://www.weatheraction.com


... oh, and by the way... I've never seen him have a "good hair day" heheheh
a climate genius nevertheless!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ucpzabzFM&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ucpzabzFM&feature=youtu.be

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's an article that summarizes these unusual changes in polar ice that this thread discusses. The article is at Drastic fluctuations in ice accumulations reported at both poles (http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/drastic-fluctuations-in-ice-accumulations-reported-at-both-poles/).

Excerpts from this article:



September 21, 2012 – ANTARCTICA - “Day 258 of 2012 is the highest for this date since satellite scanning of Antarctic ice areas commenced 33 years ago” the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition announced today. “It is also the fifth highest daily value on record.” Coalition chairman, Hon Barry Brill, says the most remarkable aspect is the extent to which the 2012 area exceeds normal Antarctica averages. “The sea ice cover yesterday was 311,000 square kilometers above the 1979-2012 average. The surplus ice is more than twice the area of New Zealand.”

ARCTIC - New sea ice is finally starting to form again in the Arctic, scientists reported Wednesday, but not before reaching another record low last Sunday. “We are now in uncharted territory,” Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, said in a statement announcing the record low of 1.32 million square miles — nearly half the average extent from 1979 to 2010.

Book quote: “The Arctic Ice sheet’s albedo ratio diminishes as the size of the Arctic ice cap shrinks. The whole runaway process compromises the system further. At the other end of the pole, nearly the opposite effect is occurs. Plunging temperatures increases the density of the Antarctica ice shelf- and the danger rises not from sublimation, but from massive fracturing and the seismic slippage of large ice sheets (shelves) as sub-glacial volcanism intensifies.” -The Extinction Protocol

[Tane Mahuta]

Although there is nothing we can do about these things, I can understand Bill's desire to understand what's going on, if it's possible to understand it correctly.

I've paid attention to some of these issues, and have been very alarmed by the evidence of low-level volcanic activity, and the significant earthquakes, in New Zealand in the recent years. When NZ became suddenly active, I began to wonder what that was about. Christchurch, NZ, is the supply point for flights to the Antarctic research stations and now Christchurch is practically in rubble, as I understand it, one earthquake after another (but any Kiwis here, please confirm or correct me in this).

Then just recently a floating mass of pumice (lightweight volcanic rock) the size of Rhode Island appeared off the coast of NZ. Since there have only been "signs" of low level volcanic activity in NZ and no violent volcanic activity on land, I assume that this pumice comes from undersea volcanoes. I haven't heard that this pumice migrated there from some other place on the planet.

This suggests that undersea volcanic activity (heating) has increased, at the same time that the Antarctic has more ice than normal (cooling).

What these two opposing forces add up to, and how they work together at the same time, I'm not sure. But I keep remembering Dr. Bill Deagle's assertions that global warming is related more to undersea volcanic activity than to anything else - and that there are thousands of undersea volcanoes. Undersea heating will also affect the Atlantic Conveyor by causing salt water to rise to the surface (warm water being lighter than cold water), displacing the fresh water that normally rests there.

This all makes sense to me, but I invite the scientists in this group to correct any errors in my understanding. What I'm seeing in my imagination is an expanding planet. The planet has expanded before, several times, according to geological evidence.

While I agree that pollution must stop NOW, or better, yesterday, and we must get off of coal and petroleum for the health of the planet and its lifeforms, it is quite possible that the quantities of methane being released by unexplained warming is more significant than human-generated CO2.

Here's a link regarding the pumice.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10826068

TM

[Carmen]

Doodah, Christchurch is not in rubble. The earthquakes do continue, but the citizens, some of my family and friends, just seem to ride it out!! The damage was widespread, especially in the centre of the city, but other places were totally unaffected. Buildings are still being demolished, but rebuilding is also going on. One of the most popular inner city malls is now contained in a series of containers very stylishly refurbished as shops. Many people have moved away from Christchurch but most citizenry of Christchurch are just getting on with life. I take my hat off to them, I wouldn't have stayed! I live three and a half hours south of Christchurch and we only felt the big ones.

[Adi]

Hey guys I came across some excellent research documents on arctic melting:

-Very interesting document I came across on the geopolitics of arctic melting

- http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2009/11/arctic%20melt%20ebinger%20zambetakis/11_arctic_melt_ebinger_zambetakis.pdf

-Extreme melt on Canada’s Arctic ice caps in the 21st century

http://arctic.eas.ualberta.ca/downloads/GRL2011_CAA%20Warming.pdf

-Arctic ice melting at 'amazing' speed, scientists find (BBC)

http://www.doremishock.com/articles/icemelt.pdf

-Arctic Melting Sounds the Alarm for Life on Earth

http://www.kairoscanada.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PBP29-ArcticIce.pdf

Enjoy Adi,

[Mark]

The Gulf stream is huge and undeniable, but they haven't figured out how a tax will fix that yet. No question, what happened in the Gulf is nothing short of demonic. How about Demonogenic warming?

I'm one of those who actually read Gabriel García Márquez's novel, One Hundred Years of Solitude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Hundred_Years_of_Solitude), a few years before the well aptly named Macondo became so important to so many on the Gulf of Mexico and the world. In the context of that story-line we find some interesting parallels. From Wikipedia:


One Hundred Years of Solitude (1967) is the story of seven generations of the Buendía Family in the town of Macondo. The founding patriarch of Macondo, José Arcadio Buendía, and Úrsula, his wife (and first cousin), leave Riohacha, Colombia, to find a better life and a new home. One night of their emigration journey, whilst camping on a riverbank, José Arcadio Buendía dreams of "Macondo", a city of mirrors that reflected the world in and about it. Upon awakening, he decides to found Macondo at the river side; after days of wandering the jungle, José Arcadio Buendía's founding of Macondo is utopic.[1]

Founding patriarch José Arcadio Buendía believes Macondo to be surrounded by water, and from that island, he invents the world according to his perceptions.[1] Soon after its foundation, Macondo becomes a town frequented by unusual and extraordinary events that involve the generations of the Buendía family, who are unable or unwilling to escape their periodic (mostly) self-inflicted misfortunes. Ultimately, a hurricane destroys Macondo, the city of mirrors; just the cyclical turmoil inherent to Macondo. At the end of the story, a Buendía man deciphers an encrypted cipher that generations of Buendía family men had failed to decipher. The secret message informed the recipient of every fortune and misfortune lived by the Buendía Family generations.

1. Macondo well, "a structure of mirrors", becoming reflective of the fears of the world
2. Macondo well, a "utopic" envisioning of man's ability to explore and contain the wealth and power of the inner-earth
3. Macondo well, man's failure to explore and contain the wealth and power of the inner-earth
4. Macondo well, a scene of continuing misfortune and disaster
5. Macondo well, not-yet-destroyed, still doing its dirty work that will inform the Present and Future about what our generations considered fortune and the misfortune that has overtaken us as a result of Hubris and Pride.

I know some folks here don't care much for the sisters of Sorcha Faal (I'd suggest also checking Wikipedia in order to see who does use their website and consider it real news), but they had an interesting article (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1607.htm) recently regarding the well, containing as elements, a secret Russian sub in the Gulf, fish and other sea-life with no eyes and deformed and continuing oil emissions coming from the well.

And then, of course, there are those who said that the BP oil disaster was an Illuminati ritual to release certain energies trapped within the earth and allow them access to the oceans and surface, for what that's worth.

All that said to say, Demonogenic Warming works for me. :tea:

[kaatje]

Hi Chuck, Hi Bill ,:o.

I also belive in Piers Corbyn, he has just written an big article about the Arctic and about the Mini Ice Age very interesting pice.
He explains the pictures what was taken a few days ago of Arctic !!!

I also have been following him for years now,
Now I am no Weather specialist, but I sure can hear what he is saying.
I personally think he is a great Meteorologist and Astrophysicist I also like the fact when he talks about
the moon and sun that they have a very big influence on the earth.

In my eyes he's really one of those people who dare to stand up and say it to the public.
I see him like a kind of whistle-blower (but then for the weather ).
And Yes I also have never seen him with a good hair day LOL, but for me he is a great man !
Gr Karin. :o


Here is the article: http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=488&c=5

4b) The Arctic story - BBC-warmist cover-up for Global warming failure (15 Sept, by Piers Corbyn)

The ongoing BBC-warmists-Greenpeace propaganda on the Arctic is not evidence of man-made CO2 Climate Change ('Global warming') but, as explained on the video http://bit.ly/PjBupm , their key "Anything but temperature" misleading story is put out to COVER-UP the total, comprehensive and absolute failure of the CO2 warmist's 'theory'.

Recall these are the people who warned the world in 2000 that world temperatures would rise substantially and dangerously in the following decade or so, to expect the end of snow in Britain and much of the USA, more dangerous hurricanes in USA and Britain's summers would be drought-ridden. In fact the opposite has taken place for ALL their scaremongering predictions. The world is cooling, we've had snowmagedons in Britain and USA, less USA hurricanes and a series of floody summers in Britain. THIS IS TOTAL FAILURE of the CO2-Global-Warming - Climate Change story which no amount of delusional and insane announcements like, warming causes cold or floods with drought in England this summer can hide.

What we are seeing is the last desperate throes of a delusional quasi-religious sect whose end-of-the world kingdom didn't come and whose supporters are deserting (eg James Lovelock). Unfortunately this is also the new religion of governments across the world who need backing to create a new bubble of (Carbon trading and energy and food price hikes) false value and fiscal stimulants.

The latest (re)claims by Greenpeace (~13/14 Sept pic.twitter.com/wIaBQzAB of even less ice in the Arctic demonstrates nothing more than their desperation. Apart from the fact this claim doesn't fit easily with NOAA official data above and that climate cannot be measured by what happens in a week we note:

(i) The recent winds in the Arctic have shoved ice around making it look like LESS from satellites and now the winds have dropped a sudden increase in ice (as we warned) is apparent. This is clear from the white (ice) area on the map and how it suddenly grows ~12-14th Sept on this map sequence: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/satellite/index.uk.php (further discussion in Joe Bastardi link below*). It will be interesting to see if Greenpeace circulate an update of their misleading twitpic to show the (very) recent ice increase!!

(ii) Whatever the detail the BBC-Greenpeace idea that records of the ~30 years of ice indicate anything about climate is delusional nonsense. Their own 'definition' of climate requires 30year averages so their ice data gives a ONE POINT ice graph. Only somebody with serious learning problems can deduce a trend from a one point graph. However can anything be concluded about Arctic ice from what has been going on in the Northern hemisphere on longer records? The answer is yes. It is almost certain that Arctic ice, like all the other 'big picture' meteorological parameters in the northern hemisphere to which it is connected [eg Pacific (PDO) and Atlantic (AMO) circulations, Tibetan plateau temperatures, USA temperatures], has a ~60year (solar-lunar) cycle so a 30yr decline in ice is just one half of the story. The next 30 years (or more probably the 30 yrs from 2007) will see Arctic ice expand as we head into the new Little Ice Age.

(iii) There have been much longer periods of a relatively ice-free Arctic in the past when there was less CO2. Official UK MetOffice-HMSO (Her Majesty's Stationary Office) records** show that there was no polar ice at the coast of Iceland for 120 years from 1020 to 1200AD, in the late Medieval warm period. See penultimate slide of Piers Corbyn's evidence to UK Parliamentary Select Committee on Dec 2010 supercold (predicted by WeatherAction) via http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=318&c=1 and click on Presentation.

**HMSO, Met Office, Weather In Home Fleet Waters Vol 1 Northern seas Part1page 256

(iv) ANTarctic Ice is now at a RECORD MAXIMUM yet the official monitors of world climate don't mention that: http://t.co/mAO0Zzoe - Full link: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/antarctic-ice-area-sets-another-record-nsidc-is-silent/


17 of the 18 days when ANTARCTIC recorded sea ice extent exceeded 16 million sq km were in the last 5 years http://goo.gl/fb/QgiYL

*Joe Bastardi has an excellent piece on the world context of Arctic variations which shows, even if their data is largely valid, how utterly stupid the warmist's claims are - http://patriotpost.us/opinion/14736





For questions regarding world climate I always refer to my friend Piers Corbyn. His forecasting technique based on solar/lunar cycles are the most accurate I’ve come across. His track record speaks for itself. He uncovers a 60 year solar/lunar cycle , 30 years of relative warmth and 30 years of relative cold. We have just entered the cold stage. He’s a one man army, fighting against the “CO2 causing global warming” dogma. Piers is predicting that we are now entering a little ice age.

Piers suggests that the earth has in fact been cooling since 2007. Ice in the arctic has not been diminishing as of late but increasing. It is the strong low pressure cells that have been breaking up mass ice sheets and moving them around by strong winds and making it appear like ice disappearing/melting. “Before and after” satellite data in certain parts make it appear that ice is disappearing but in fact it is only shifting to other places.

See his website for much more information

http://www.weatheraction.com


... oh, and by the way... I've never seen him have a "good hair day" heheheh
a climate genius nevertheless!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ucpzabzFM&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ucpzabzFM&feature=youtu.be

[Hervé]

Go here for the NASA satellite animation of the storm breaking the Arctic Ice:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/251460-Powerful-Storm-Breaks-up-Arctic-Ice (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/251460-Powerful-Storm-Breaks-up-Arctic-Ice)

What I have trouble reconciling is that there is more than a reshuffling of the ice distribution around the Arctic Sea and that's the record low, in square miles/kilometers of the ice spread... implying that ice up there did disappear during the summer:


[...]




[...]

ARCTIC - New sea ice is finally starting to form again in the Arctic, scientists reported Wednesday, but not before reaching another record low last Sunday. “We are now in uncharted territory,” Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, said in a statement announcing the record low of 1.32 million square miles — nearly half the average extent from 1979 to 2010.

[...]

[ThePythonicCow]

Go here for the NASA satellite animation of the storm breaking the Arctic Ice:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/251460-Powerful-Storm-Breaks-up-Arctic-Ice (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/251460-Powerful-Storm-Breaks-up-Arctic-Ice)

What I have trouble reconciling is that there is more than a reshuffling of the ice distribution around the Arctic Sea and that's the record low, in square miles/kilometers of the ice spread... implying that ice up there did disappear during the summer:
I've just been listening to some of the Piers Corbyn Youtube videos, as posted above and more that can be found from there.

I'm figuring he's got this nailed as well as any of us. If I understood him correctly, he's saying that Arctic ice was broken up recently (matches what that NASA animation shows), making it look like less ice than there was, but this will soon be settling down, making it look (to satellites) like a sudden increase of Arctic ice again.

He's anticipating that we're starting a mini-ice age over the next few decades ... colder winters in the Northern hemisphere coming up (already started, actually.)

[Hervé]

[...]

... making it look like less ice than there was, but this will soon be settling down, making it look (to satellites) like a sudden increase of Arctic ice again.

[...]

The "making it look like" doesn't compute with the computed area of ice covered sea unless that computation ignores the broken up ice... haven't found confirmation of the way the square mileage was done.

[ThePythonicCow]

The "making it look like" doesn't compute with the computed area of ice covered sea unless that computation ignores the broken up ice... haven't found confirmation of the way the square mileage was done.
Agreed :).

I just had to take Piers Corbyn's word for it that NASA would see less ice when it was really the same ice, broken up.

[Lifebringer]

I just finish 4 hours of reading the Kennedy Papers. and boy it's facinating and the very reason i believe the Karma is hitting the ptw. His soul demands justice just as his life did.

He's been heard and for the sake of this country and people i sure hope it protects this President who's life is threatened everyday 30+ times a day.

[Chuck]

[...]

... making it look like less ice than there was, but this will soon be settling down, making it look (to satellites) like a sudden increase of Arctic ice again.

[...]

The "making it look like" doesn't compute with the computed area of ice covered sea unless that computation ignores the broken up ice... haven't found confirmation of the way the square mileage was done.

Hello Amzer Zo,

Good enquiry. As far as I can gather, there are two methods of gathering ice data in the arctic. One is a passive microwave imagery that is relied upon for year–to-year trend analysis as it has less user error (relies on automated processing). It is biased in “seeing” more water than ice. The published imagery of “before and after” ice conditions after the storms, were taken with this technology. The other method relies on satellite imagery which has influences like cloud cover and imagery sources and ultimately relies on subjective operator interpretations of what is ice vs non-ice. This method’s strength is getting an absolute value for ice quantity (good for determining records) and is biased toward “seeing” more ice than water.


A concern is that the news only reports the microwave results, and ignores the equally valid NIC index which is the satellite imagery data, biased toward more ice.


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/products/ice_extent_graphs/arctic_daily_ice_extent.html


Go to that NIC website, select start year 2006 and month of August. You’ll see that this data shows that ice amounts are low for 2012 but still not lower than 2007. Piers suggest that the Arctic from here on will get colder (not just because of winter) ;) but because we are entering a mini ice age that will last 30 years.

[Chuck]

I guess the most important idea I want to relay is… that… yup… a bit less ice is observed in the Arctic relative to the last 32 years of data gathering… and a bit more ice is observed in the Antarctic. These have happened countless of times in Earth’s history. There are several overlapping cycles of various periods, each influencing ice patterns and more. Just beware of the dramatics and those with agendas trying to sway your thinking that all this is a result of man made dyer influences. (problem, reaction, solution)

[doodah]

Doodah, Christchurch is not in rubble. The earthquakes do continue, but the citizens, some of my family and friends, just seem to ride it out!! The damage was widespread, especially in the centre of the city, but other places were totally unaffected. Buildings are still being demolished, but rebuilding is also going on. One of the most popular inner city malls is now contained in a series of containers very stylishly refurbished as shops. Many people have moved away from Christchurch but most citizenry of Christchurch are just getting on with life. I take my hat off to them, I wouldn't have stayed! I live three and a half hours south of Christchurch and we only felt the big ones.

Thanks, Carmen, for that eye-witness report. We don't get much information about what happens after an event like those earthquakes. My heart goes out to them.

The pumice island is the size of Belgium, the results of undersea volcanic activity. But Tane Mahuta's newspaper article says that this is a separate issue from another volcano that left ash on the beach. There is lots of volcanic activity around NZ recently and ongoing.

[Carmen]

You know, it's difficult to get an accurate picture about anything from media reports! We often take on disaster reports absolutely when in actual fact the disaster may be very localised. This is the case with myself as far as the Christchurch earthquakes are concerned. But, I have to say, seeing the devastation of Christchurch central first hand was mind blowing and shocking. The devastation was much worse than what I had thought from media pictures. It's odd also. I have such a clear visual of Christchurch the way it used to be pre earthquakes as I spent much time there, that I can move through it totally in my mind. It's like a parallel world still intact and unchanged.

Sorry to venture off the topic of the thread, but thought it might be interesting.

[nomadguy]

My mind sparked upon reading this,

~
The electro-static charge around the planet is increasing, so then the dipole of the Earth's magnetic field in also increasing in charge.

The North pole gets hotter +
And the South Pole gets colder - ??

All in all the charge is increasing. A "celestial friction event" is happening. NOW

Could the amassing ice cause some polar tilt? I think it could.
And the displacement may also disrupt a few volcanoes and cause some earthquakes along faults.

A rapid change in this electrical charge could also be set off from a solar event. CME or a Solar Wind with a negative ion stream.
We will see... I think that >How we cope with this variety of changes, may even reset our evolutionary path.

:ear:

[Davidallany]

Russian TV warns about a potential encounter with a celestial orb towards the end of 2012, that will have big effects on planet Earth.

EE_wDVRNLN8

[ThePythonicCow]

Russian TV warns about a potential encounter with a celestial orb towards the end of 2012, that will have big effects on planet Earth.

Seven (7) seconds into this video, the translation text reads:




but after May 2011 year -
it can be seen with the "naked" eye

In the last and final frame of this video, the text reads:




in September November 2012 - Niburu will be
like a second Red sun.
(from other my sources in 2014 year !) vlad9vt

From the above text, I gather that this video was produced prior to May 2011, and predicts that Niburu will be visible as a second red sun by September of 2012.

It is now September 2012.

No Niburu is in sight.

My conclusion: the video's prediction of Niburu failed (as I recall we determined sometime ago on this forum.)

[Hervé]

From Robert Felix's http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/)



Antarctica gains 2,400 Manhattans worth of ice overnight

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On September 28, 2012 · 7 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/#comments)

Sixth highest daily ice-extent area ever recorded.

Warmists scream if one chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off.

But when 2,400 Manhattans worth of ice form overnight, nary a peep from the mainstream media.

I think this is shameful.

Southern hemisphere sea ice extent has been steadily growing in a zig-zag fashion since at least 1979, but nary a peep from the mainstream media.

I think this is shameful.

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Antarctic_Sea_Ice_Area-1979-2008.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/antarctic_sea_ice_area-1979-2008/)

“Antarctica gained 140,000 km² of ice overnight, to reach the sixth highest daily area ever recorded,” reported the Steven Goddard website on September 26.

“Another day like today, and tomorrow will break the all-time record for most sea ice ever measured at either pole.”

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Southern_Hemisphere_sea-ice_anomaly_Aug-2012.png (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/southern_hemisphere_sea-ice_anomaly_aug-2012/)

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-of-ice-overnight/


Thanks to Emmanuel Robert, David Williams and Kirk Myers for this link

arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008 (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008)

[bluestflame]

nothing to do with the interruption of warming ocean currents due to the big oil spill in the gulf of mexico?


just reminiscing here

something to do with the great ocean loop

[Operator]

nothing to do with the interruption of warming ocean currents due to the big oil spill in the gulf of mexico?


just reminiscing here

something to do with the great ocean loop

Read something about the Gulf of Mexico before in this thread ... if there is a relation one would expect the opposite though.
If less warm water is going up north one would expect the Arctic to get colder. Although this is not directly related I noticed
that most Atlantic Tropical Storms and Hurricanes stay on the Atlantic and turn North-East before entering the Caribbean.
As we speak there is TS Nadine. It cannot decide which way to go and is almost 'stationary' in the middle of the Atlantic.
Tropical Storms tend to follow the warm water trail. So it looks like the Atlantic is warmer instead of colder.

There are 2 other 'hints' that keep poking my unconscious mind

1. Arctic ice is sea based ice where Antarctic ice is land based ice.
2. If there is such a thing as Niburu/Planet X and we can't see it it's because it's Cold and coming from the South

We keep telling ourselves that lots of amateur astronomers would have seen Niburu/Planet X by now but that's perhaps not
true. Astronomers have made lots of calculations to detect it by perturbation and special satellites and telescopes were needed
to get confirmation. Just a thought ...

[Arrowwind]

To screw up things even more, the Thermohaline Conveyor Belt (Gulf Stream) is missing its Gulf of Mexico feeder and falls short of reaching the North Atlantic areas (British Isles, Iceland) which further compounds the problem with keeping the jet stream (the frontier between cold Arctic air and warm tropical air) south of where it should be. That's gona make for a nasty winter for Northern European countries.
[/INDENT]

and wasn't that largely caused by the gulf oil spill a couple of years ago that essentially killed the gulf stream across the Atlantic?

[Hervé]

To screw up things even more, the Thermohaline Conveyor Belt (Gulf Stream) is missing its Gulf of Mexico feeder and falls short of reaching the North Atlantic areas (British Isles, Iceland) which further compounds the problem with keeping the jet stream (the frontier between cold Arctic air and warm tropical air) south of where it should be. That's gona make for a nasty winter for Northern European countries.
[/INDENT]

and wasn't that largely caused by the gulf oil spill a couple of years ago that essentially killed the gulf stream across the Atlantic?

...

Indeed!

[nomadguy]

My mind sparked upon reading this,

~
The electro-static charge around the planet is increasing, so then the dipole of the Earth's magnetic field in also increasing in charge.

The North pole gets hotter +
And the South Pole gets colder - ??

All in all the charge is increasing. A "celestial friction event" is happening. NOW

Could the amassing ice cause some polar tilt? I think it could.
And the displacement may also disrupt a few volcanoes and cause some earthquakes along faults.

A rapid change in this electrical charge could also be set off from a solar event. CME or a Solar Wind with a negative ion stream.
We will see... I think that >How we cope with this variety of changes, may even reset our evolutionary path.

:ear:

Adding a note: In the event of a large celestial body coming into our solar system boundary this type of "friction event" in space might actually be more "electrical" than radiative.
So Heating alone may not be the only outcome from such an event.
Instead the over all increase in "charge" may cause both heating and cooling to spike ~where the ions come down to the surface of the planet.
And that is near the poles via the Birkeland currents.
Carry on ~

[Hervé]

From Robert Felix's site: http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-time-record-high/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-time-record-high/)


Antarctic Sea Ice Sets All Time Record High

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On September 30, 2012 ·

‘Greatest sea ice extent ever measured at either pole’ — Will Media Report This?!

“If current trends continue, the Earth will be completely covered with ice much faster than the climate models predicted.” (Anyone wonder why I’m not surprised? Anyone wonder why I think we’re now headed into an ice age?)


http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Antarctic_Sea_Ice_Area-1979-2008.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/antarctic_sea_ice_area-1979-2008/)
“Day 265 set an all time record, and then day 266 broke that record.”

“Days 265 through 270 are now the 6 highest Antarctic Sea Ice Extent’s of all time!”

“Eleven of the top 15 daily sea-ice extent records have been set this year.”

“The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) seems disinterested in their own data, choosing instead to write stories about Penguins being threatened by declining Antarctic sea ice.”

“Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?”

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/sea-ice-sets-all-time-record-high/

http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/wow-antarctic-sea-ice-extent-all-time-records-set-in-2012/

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/17714/NOAA-Antarctic-sea-ice-extent-set-all-time-record-high

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/
south/daily/data/SH_seaice_extent_nrt.csv (ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/south/daily/data/SH_seaice_extent_nrt.csv)

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/
south/daily/data/SH_seaice_extent_final.csv (ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/south/daily/data/SH_seaice_extent_final.csv)

Thanks to Laurel and Marc Morano for these links

[Hervé]

From Robert Felix's site: http://iceagenow.info/2012/10/snow-october-australia-100-years/


First snow in October in Australia in more than 100 years

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On October 11, 2012 ·

An unusually cold storm in southern Australia has dumped a blanket of snow on Mt Lofty near Adelaide, the first October snowfall in more than a century.

Hallett in the state’s mid-north also woke to a blanket of white.

Andrew Watson from the Bureau of Meteorology said the rare weather event was caused by a mass of icy air from the Antarctic.

Snow also whitened the ground along the southern Flinders ranges, east and north of Adelaide, South Australia, the Australian ABC News website said.

Images published Thursday showed snow-covered ground at Hallett, in an upland valley north of Adelaide. Posted videos showed falling snow in the hills east of Adelaide.

The mercury in Adelaide dropped to 4.9C, one of the lowest October minimum temperatures on record, and fell as low as 0.4C at Mount Lofty.

Normal low temperature in Adelaide is about 50 degrees, whereas the typical high is in the lower 70s.

Seasons in the Southern Hemisphere are the opposite of those in the north, so October is a spring month in Australia.

One South Australia resident, from Booleroo Centre, said she had never seen October snow in her half century of living in the area.

Locals at Hallett in the mid-north of the state, around Crafers, Mount Lofty, Lobethal and Belair in the Adelaide hills, Sevenhill in the Clare Valley and Mount Remarkable in the lower Flinders Ranges have been surprised by the snowfalls.

Hey Oz. How’s that global warmin’ workin’ for ya?
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/andrews/australia-storm-gives-rare-snow/124123

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/once-in-century-october-snow-across-sa/22638


Once-in-century October snow across SA
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-11/snow-falls-across-sa/4306702?section=sa

Thanks to Erwin Chvojan, Oz Steamer, Zoltan Galambos, John Haysman, Denis Ballam, David Krueger, Stephan, Gareth, Miles and Danielle for these links

Yahoo downplayed the snowfall, with their headline reading:

“Unseasonal snow falls in South Australia.”

“Unseasonal”?

The first snowfall in more than 100 years, and they call it “unseasonal”?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/latest/a/-/latest/15092145/unseasonal-snow-falls-in-south-australia/

[Hervé]

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it



The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996
By David Rose (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=David+Rose)

PUBLISHED:21:42 GMT, 13 October 2012| UPDATED:01:21 GMT, 14 October 2012
The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.


The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/14/article-2217286-157E3ADF000005DC-561_644x358.jpg
global temperature changes



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html#ixzz29Iy2mijs

[Daughter of Time]

Amzer,

I haven't read the entire thread so my apologies if my question has already been addressed.

How much does "volcanic activity" have to do with the melting of the icebergs? Or am I totally off the mark?

[humanalien]

Don't forget the haarp project. It can heat up or cool down
any part of the world. If the ice caps are melting, it's because
of haarp.

[Hervé]

Amzer,

I haven't read the entire thread so my apologies if my question has already been addressed.

How much does "volcanic activity" have to do with the melting of the icebergs? Or am I totally off the mark?

The same way as with any underwater volcanic eruption: water is being warmed up at eruption point and starts a vertical convective current with the warmer water rising up. Same principle as boiling water in a pan.

The Mid Atlantic Ocean Ridge continues up north from Iceland into the "Mid Arctic Ocean Ridge" (dark red in picture below) and that's where fresh magmatic/volcanic material is being continuously added to the oceanic crust:


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1po7C7BjW5dBW_B032lKEE5NUxT0pNG4zmxAfzJG_AyFP1vskIb_D1A_2Rp8uIIJPzwKHF1RwY9dBYlecEEztIPm6jxmHW26kS/DocumentsImage-2012-10-14-17h14mn43-a.jpg?psid=1


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pn1ecMI905efIpdL2KLW9pwI619QbsMaSjtgGOponenYOeG9R_6RAlEnmTiO80cc17m_mQDxoKq5-gt7qmW1DH-Gs1q5IeGIS/Arctic_Ocean_floor.jpg?psid=1

[Referee]

Just found this video. What is your take disinfo or truth? Is HAARP being used to mitigate the amount of methane in the atmosphere above the arctic?

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[Hervé]

One stone... two birds: HAARP is good for you and... keeping forwarding the "Global Warming" scam.

An alternate cause for the noctilucent clouds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctilucent_clouds) are the increase, and accumulation, of cometary/meteorite dust in the upper atmosphere.

[bluestflame]

had an idea a while ago that part of the dinosaurs demise (and why so many of them had apparently fallen into mud and tar pits to be preserved for bone prints) is that once upon a time the earths gravity was much less and that over many cycles highly magnetic planets passing in an orbit round earth increased the magnetism of the earth and subsequently the gravitational pull of it ( similar to how one powerful magnet will induce magnetism in another piece of suitable metal ) so basically a lot of dinosaurs collapsed under thier own weight , leaving the smaller scaled down versions to run over the earth

wonder how this effects the earths core

[eva08]

Arctic ice is melting --> humid Arctic air --> therefore, this:

From Robert Felix's site: http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/thousands-sheep-buried-alive-snowdrifts-video/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/thousands-sheep-buried-alive-snowdrifts-video/)

Thousands of sheep buried alive in snowdrifts – Video
By Robert On September 16, 2012 ·

“Unprecedented” cold and snow in Iceland.

Thousands of sheep (13,000) buried alive in snowdrifts is nothing short of disastrous.



Sounds to me like planned retaliation that Iceland dumped the bankers....
Any radar would have picked up the threat of such a storm and the farmers would have been warned in a timely manner..... UNLESS this was a PLANNED SURPRISE ATTACK, an AMBUSCADE

[Hervé]

Arctic ice is melting --> humid Arctic air --> therefore, this:

From Robert Felix's site: http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/thousands-sheep-buried-alive-snowdrifts-video/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/thousands-sheep-buried-alive-snowdrifts-video/)

Thousands of sheep buried alive in snowdrifts – Video
By Robert On September 16, 2012 ·

“Unprecedented” cold and snow in Iceland.

Thousands of sheep (13,000) buried alive in snowdrifts is nothing short of disastrous.



Sounds to me like planned retaliation that Iceland dumped the bankers....
Any radar would have picked up the threat of such a storm and the farmers would have been warned in a timely manner..... UNLESS this was a PLANNED SURPRISE ATTACK, an AMBUSCADE

Not necessarily... they most probably expected it to be mostly rain.

[Hervé]

From Robert Felix's site: http://iceagenow.info/2012/10/scientists-link-magnetic-reversal-climate-change-super-volcano-time-period/

Scientists link magnetic reversal, climate change and super volcano to same time period

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On October 17, 2012

Confirms what I’ve been saying all along.


http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Polarity-of-Earth-251x300.png (http://iceagenow.info/2012/10/scientists-link-magnetic-reversal-climate-change-super-volcano-time-period/polarity-of-earth/)
Normal and Reversed Polarity – © Dr. habil. Norbert R. Nowaczyk / GFZ

In a press release today, the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences described the connection between the Laschamp magnetic reversal, the Phlegrean Field (Campi Flegrei) volcanic eruption that devastated most of southeastern Europe, and periods of frequent rapid cooling and warming.

The largest volcanic eruption in the Northern hemisphere in the past 100,000 years, the Campi Flegrei eruption pumped out some 84 cubic miles (350 cu km) of rock and lava and distributed ash over the entire eastern Mediterranean and up to central Russia.

See entire article:
http://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/2012/10/scientists-link-rapid-geomagnetic-reversal-climate-change-and-super-volcanic-eruptions-to-same-geological-time-period/

[syrwong]

Mythi, the alien from Andromeda, explained this effect rather peculiarly in his latest Q&A session, but it makes sense.

Mythi why the Arctic is almost thawed and Antarctica is significantly increasing its area of ice?

- Well, this is a typical reaction of instability caused by "artificial thawing" of your northern region by your governments, generating too much moisture, causing violent storms with flooding in specific regions and creating huge hurricanes in others, by convergence of masses of vapor with different temperatures. All steam artificially accumulated in your atmosphere creates a high volume of condensation in cold areas of the planet, which is the case in Antarctica. To be easy to understand, if you leave your freezer for days open in your kitchen, it will be filled with ice, condensed from the vapor available in the air. In the case of Antarctica, it is the open freezer on planet.

[Hervé]

Mythi, the alien from Andromeda, explained this effect rather peculiarly ...

[...]

I think Mythi needs to learn a bit more about earth and the peculiarities of her atmosphere:

The masses of air from the Northern Hemisphere do not mix with the Southern Hemisphere air masses. There is a boundary at the equator which is not transgressed by air masses of either hemisphere.

[syrwong]

I don't know the details of the "non-mixing" between hemispheres, but in the theory/model of nuclear winter, the pollutants from the North do get the the South easily within years. Somewhere I read that the mixing of the stratosphere is global.

[Zelig]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

I believe that would fall in line with one of Graham Hancock's suggestions in Fingerprints of the Gods.

**I realize now that this was pointed out months ago. **

[Hervé]

I don't know the details of the "non-mixing" between hemispheres, but in the theory/model of nuclear winter, the pollutants from the North do get the the South easily within years. Somewhere I read that the mixing of the stratosphere is global.


In case you skipped these posts... have a read of them:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=556973&viewfull=1#post556973

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=557109&viewfull=1#post557109


No need to be an Andromedan space farer :) ... AFAIK, I don't think I am one of those but I have been known to be wrong.

[Hervé]

Interesting article on VeteransToday (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/26/government-documents-link-global-warming-to-advanced-military-climate-modification-technology/) website regarding the switch made about "Global Warming":


[...]

If warming the arctic was regarded as good for commerce for 100 years why would a discovery that found carbon dioxide was already performing the task for free, suddenly be regarded as a catastrophe to prevent?
____________________________________________________

The BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico demonstrates how Big Oil exists in a world of opportunistic pragmatism, no matter the risk to the environment. With an established record of corporate sociopathy, Big Oil would have little interest in what event would cause arctic ice to retreat as long as their long-held dream of new arctic navigation routes and access to previously ice-locked oil and gas reserves was realized. It could make marginal difference if the arctic temperatures rise due to (1) rising CO2 levels or (2) covert arctic climate manipulation.

This timeline of determined Geoengineering projects suggests the goal of mediating arctic climate remains a favorite goal of the fossil fuel industry.

1877 Harvard geologist Nathaniel Shaler proposed channeling more of the warm Kuroshio Current through the Bering Strait to raise temperatures in the Polar region by 30 degrees.

1912, New York Engineer and Industrialist, Carroll Livingston Riker proposed building a 200 mile jetty (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40F1FF83A5E13738DDDA00A94D1405B828DF1D3) off Newfoundland to increase the Gulf Stream’s flow into to the Arctic Basin with the added benefit that it would “shift” the axis of planet earth. The New York Times (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40F1FF83A5E13738DDDA00A94D1405B828DF1D3) characterized the proposal as “amazing”… but not insane.

1929: (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf) Hermann Oberth, German-Hungarian physicist and engineer; Proposed building giant mirrors on a space station to focus the Sun’s radiation on Earth’s surface, making the far North habitable and freeing sea lanes to Siberian harbors.

1945; (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf) Julian Huxley, biologist and Secretary-General of UNESCO 1946-48; Proposed exploding atomic bombs at an appropriate height above the polar regions to raise the temperature of the Arctic Ocean and warm the entire climate of the northern temperate zone.

1946 (http://www.villagevoice.com/2005-05-10/news/polar-eclipse/)Village Voice article from 2005 reporting on theMay, 1946 issue of Mechanix Illustrated that featured several arctic-warming geoengineering proposals. One “brave new idea” was proposed by Julian Huxley, then the Secretary-General of UNESCO, and brother of Aldous Huxley, that would detonate atomic bombs to warm the Arctic.

1958; (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf) M. Gorodsky, Soviet engineer and mathematician, and Valentin Cherenkov, Soviet meteorologist; Proposed placing a ring of metallic potassium particles into Earth’s polar orbit to diffuse light reaching Earth and increase solar radiation to thaw the permanently frozen soil of Russia, Canada, and Alaska and melt polar ice.

1958 (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf); Arkady Markin, Soviet engineer; Proposed that the United States and Soviet Union build a gigantic dam across the Bering Strait and use nuclear power–driven propeller pumps to push the warm Pacific current into the Atlantic by way of the Arctic Sea. Arctic ice would melt, and the Siberian and North American frozen areas would become temperate and productive.

1958 Russian Oil engineer, P.M. Borisov’s proposed melting the Arctic and Greenland icecaps by spreading black coal dust on the ice, creating cloud-cover across the poles to trap heat and to divert warm Atlantic waters into the polar regions. This scheme was taken seriously by Soviet climatologists. Two conferences were held in Leningrad in the early 1960′s following an initial meeting in Moscow by the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences in 1959.

1958 Atlantic Richfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Oilsand)geologist L.M. Natland, proposed exploding up to 100 underground nuclear bombs to mine the Alberta Oil Sands. Heat from the detonations was expected to boil the bitumen deposits, reducing their viscosity to the point that standard drilling operations could be used. The plan was encouraged by US efforts to find “peaceful uses” for atomic energy. The project was approved in 1959 but the Canadian government reversed their decision in 1962 and declared that Canada was opposed to all forms of nuclear testing. In 2012 the Canadian Tar Sands are, again an issue of international concern.

1962 Harry Wexler (March 15, 1911- 1962) was an MIT graduate and PhD in meteorology. Wexler had been researching the link connecting chlorine and bromine compounds to the destruction of the stratospheric ozone layers, but died of a heart attack while on vacation in Woods Hole, Mass. Wexler had already accepted an invitation to deliver a lecture entitled “The Climate of Earth and Its Modifications” at the University of Maryland Space Research and Technology Institute. (Source) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Wexler)

[...]
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Full article: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/26/government-documents-link-global-warming-to-advanced-military-climate-modification-technology/

[kyleannmontana]

I first flew into Fairbanks, Alaska in January of 1976. The weather stayed sixty degrees below zero for over six weeks. Now it can rain in January.

[Hervé]

Fmr. Thatcher advisor Lord Monckton evicted from UN climate summit after challenging global warming -- 'Escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his UN credentials'

Monckton to UN: 'In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming'
Calls to 'deport Monckton' from UN conference in Qatar


Thursday, December 06, 2012By Marc Morano (http://www.climatedepot.com/contact.asp) – Climate Depot (http://www.climatedepot.com/)
[Also see: New Report from Climate Depot: 'Extreme Weather Report 2012': 'Latest peer-reviewed studies, data & analyses undermine claims that current weather is 'unprecedented' or a 'new normal' (http://www.climatedepot.com/a/18723/New-Report-Extreme-Weather-Report-2012-Latest-peerreviewed-studies-data--analyses-undermine-claims-that-current-weather-is-unprecedented-or-a-new-normal)]


By Jean Chemnick, E&E reporter
Published: Thursday, December 6, 2012
[Reprint from E&E Greenwire - December 6, 2012 (http://www.eenews.net/Greenwire/print/2012/12/06/2) - subscription required]
Excerpt: UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a climate skeptic, gets evicted

After the news conference, and as diplomats gathered for the climate conference president's assessment of how close countries are to agreement, Monckton quietly slipped into the seat reserved for the delegation of Myanmar and clicked the button to speak.

"In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming," Monckton said as confused murmurs filled the hall and then turned into a chorus of boos.

The stunt infuriated negotiators and activists here who gather every year to address what they believe is one of the world's top threats, the steady rise of man-made global warming.

As Monckton was escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his U.N. credentials, several people noted that just a few hours earlier a group of young activists had been thrown out of the convention center and deported. Their crime: unfurling an unauthorized banner calling for the Qatari hosts to lead the negotiations to a strong conclusion.

By late today, several activists attending the conference had posted calls to "deport Monckton" on their Twitter feeds.

Full article: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/18726/Fmr-Thatcher-advisor-Lord-Monckton-evicted-from-UN-climate-summit-after-challenging-global-warming--Escorted-from-the-hall-and-security-officers-stripped-him-of-his-UN-credentials

[Hervé]

From: Robert Felix's website: http://iceagenow.info/2012/12/youtube-video-lord-monckton/


Just found the YouTube video of Lord Monckton

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On December 8, 2012 ·Lord Monckton was thrown out of the United Nations climate change talks in Doha last night.

Also “He has been ‘de-badged’, meaning he no longer has a visa to stay in Qatar and had 24 hours to leave the country.”


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The hereditary peer, who is not a member of the House of Lords, took the chair of Myanmar and spoke into the microphone against UN climate change protocols.

After a short speech, in which he was booed, he was escorted out of the meeting by UN guards.

“In the 16 years we have been coming to these events there has been no global warming at all,” said Monckton.

He added: “Even if we were to take action to prevent global warming the cost would be many times greater than cost of making adaptive measures later. Our recommendation is that we should initiate very quickly a review of the science to make sure that we are all on the right track.”

He has been banned for life from UN climate talks.

Speaking afterwards, he said, “I know it was bad of me, but I got some brief points across which the delegates probably didn’t expect.

He has been ‘de-badged’, meaning he no longer has a visa to stay in Qatar and had 24 hours to leave the country.

The former climate change adviser at UKIP, who tours the world speaking on global warming, said it was not a problem as he was flying out of the country that day.
The UN talks are in danger of collapsing as anger grows at the lack of progress towards a global deal to cut emissions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwjC-MMKwRY
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwjC-MMKwRY)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/9728866/British-peer-ejected-from-UN-climate-talks-for-denouncing-protocol.html
Thanks to Juergen for this link


See related:
http://iceagenow.info/2012/12/lord-monckton-booted-climate-summit-questioning-global-warming/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/12/lord-monckton-booted-climate-summit-questioning-global-warming/)

[modwiz]

A heretic of the religion of anthropomorphic (carbon tax) global warming. They took his badge. He should have dropped his trousers and mooned them.

[Hervé]

Yep!

He just got excommunicated by the highpriests of the controlling scientific religion.

[Fred Steeves]

Yep!

He just got excommunicated by the highpriests of the controlling scientific religion.

That's a badge of honor in itself, to one in possession of a conscience that is. By and by, anyone know if Al Gore is still hiding from our friend Christopher Monckton?

[Flash]

The sure cause of it I am not sure, is it space changes or carbon emissions, it does not matter. Is it a change in the Gulf Stream currents due to the oil in the Gulf of Mexico? Is it a hick into the usual earth changes over the centuries and an announcement of some more dramatic climate changes to come (heat or freeze), I do not know.

But one thing I do know, is that today is the 9th of December today, and it is raining outside. It is that last year we had about no snow. The year before not much either, and the year before neither. In complete contrast to my childhood.

Also, we have had the warmest summers on records for 2-3 years now. Records dating back centuries.

It is very difficult for me to admit there is no global warming. It goes against all my physical senses, meaning what I see, feel, hear. Any Northener on this planet would tell you.

[Hervé]

Thursday, December 20, 2012
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.ca/2012/12/shouting-from-rooftops.html

Shouting from the Rooftops
By Alan Caruba


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For years, decades actually, I and others have been shouting from the rooftops that global warming was a hoax. We were called “deniers” and “skeptics.” A lot of time has passed since the late 1980s when Dr. James Hansen, the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, kicked off the global warming hoax with testimony before Congress.

Global warming gained momentum because the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seized on it as a means to redistribute the wealth from developed nations to those that have lagged behind and because the media love stories of imminent danger. The media remains largely committed to global warming despite ample evidence it is (a) not happening and (b) a complete lie.

While many regard former Vice President Al Gore as the poster boy of global warming, it has been the IPCC that has been the main culprit in advancing the hoax, issuing reports of dire consequences if nations do not reduce their “greenhouse gas”emissions (mainly carbon dioxide abbreviated as CO2) to avoid a dramatically increased warming in ten, twenty, or fifty years. As time went along, global warming was coming any day now, but it never seemed to arrive.

The problem the lead scientists providing the bogus data to support the IPCC reports encountered was the perfectly natural cooling cycle the Earth entered about sixteen years ago. In 2009, a leak of emails between them was dubbed “Climategate” as it revealed how these conspirators were panicked by the cooling that began to occur around 1998. It also revealed their efforts to smear scientists who dissented from their claims as “deniers”and “skeptics” and plotted to deny them access to leading science publications.

The primary claim made by the IPCC and other “warmists” was that there was a“consensus” among the world’s scientists, but anyone familiar with science knows that it does not operate on consensus. Instead, each new hypothesis or theory is always challenged, often for decades, until it is proven to be reproducible and resistant to alternative interpretation.

John O’Sullivan of [URL="http://www.principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/80-un-leak-climate-science-in-disarray-on-human-emissions-impact.html"]Principia Scientific International (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lTZgQBlfgoY/UNN-ctQ8GHI/AAAAAAAAIQQ/-IxdCwmN-bo/s1600/Megaphone.jpg), an organization of scientists and others battling the global warming hoax, recently reported to its members, interested parties, and science writers like myself of the leak of data by one of the IPCC researchers, Alec Rawls, who no longer wanted to be a party to its reports.

O’Sullivan reported that “Up till now the role of the Sun, referred to as enhanced solar forcing, received only scant mention in prior IPCC reports (AR3 and AR4) being glibly dismissed. But this is the first time IPCC authors have acknowledged the evidence that a solar mechanism seems to be at work.”

“The source of the leak, Alec Rawls, said, “I participated in ‘expert review’ of the Second Order Draft of AR5 (the next IPCC report), Working Group 1 (“The Scientific Basis”) and am now making the full draft available to the public. His reason for taking this action, a break in the confidentially agreement, was the “systematic dishonesty of the report” which he said was corrupted by “bad faith” and “fraud.”

It might seem obvious to most people that the Sun is the most powerful factor in climate change, given the records of the gains and reductions of solar radiation, the Earth’s many ice ages, and the simple fact that it gets colder at night than during the day!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6KuFUuwxyCA/UNN_DAB9QGI/AAAAAAAAIQY/y-X-ZO4UiG4/s320/Sun+and+Earth.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6KuFUuwxyCA/UNN_DAB9QGI/AAAAAAAAIQY/y-X-ZO4UiG4/s1600/Sun+and+Earth.jpg)


The solar mechanism is, of course, the Sun.

The global warming—now called climate change—hoax depends on convincing people that greenhouse gases, the exhalation of carbon dioxide by humans and mammals, and emissions based on the use of coal, oil, and natural gas pose a threat to the planet’s temperatures. In a very real way, hard core environmentalists favor reducing the world’s population by any means possible and the reduction in all the modern technologies that use energy, coal, natural gas and oil, to enhance life around the globe.

“The (IPCC) admission of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing changes everything,” said Rawls. “The climate alarmists can’t continue to claim that warming was entirely due to human activity over a period when solar warming effects…were acknowledged to be important.”

In other words, humans play a very small role in the Earth’s climate, especially when compared to the power of the Sun.

This is what some very brave climate scientists and meteorologists have been saying for decades! They have been ignored or derided by the mainstream media who are wedded to the global warming hoax. It had the power of the federal government behind it (and still does) because it remains the justification for costly programs. From the Environmental Protection Agency to the Defense Department and all federal agencies in between, they continue to pump out propaganda and regulations based on this Big Lie.

The United Nations program exists to redistribute billions from developed nations to those who have lagged behind. The recently concluded IPCC conference made the transition from global warming to climate change to “sustainability” with the demand that less developed nations receive funding if they are affected by natural weather events such as hurricanes, heat waves, floods, droughts, and tornadoes.

As Ralph B. Alexander (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/extreme_weather_superstition_Tcj8NYKEQSAj5hd1ht1zgI), a physicist and the author of “Global Warming False Alarm”,recently noted, “The link between extreme weather and global warming has as much scientific basis as the pagan rite of human sacrifice to ensure a good harvest.”

Alexander noted that weather events “show no long-term trend whatever over more than a century of reliable data. Weather extremes have occurred from time immemorial, long before industrialization boosted the CO2 level in the atmosphere.”

Indeed, the increase of CO2 has not induced or deterred the current climate cycle; cooling. Since the length of interglacial periods between ice ages is about 11,500 years, the Earth is on the cusp of a new ice age. Ironically, the CO2 increase may be delaying it.

© Alan Caruba, 2012

Posted byAlan Caruba (http://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193)at1:12 PM (http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.ca/2012/12/shouting-from-rooftops.html)

[Hervé]

Astrophysicist – We are shifting towards a Little Ice Age – Video

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On December 30, 2012

“By any measure, world temperature is declining,” says astrophysicist Piers Corbyn, who also discusses the facts and fictions surrounding climate change, and so-called melting of ice in the Arctic.


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(Excerpts from video) – “The warmists, and the BBC, like talking about the Arctic to back up their delusional climate-change theory,” says Corbyn, of www.weatheraction.com (http://www.weatheraction.com). “They do this rather than talk abut the real weather that people experience, because what people have experienced in Britain and Ireland, is the opposite.”

“Furthermore, they now have a policy of talking about anything other than temperature, because temperatures are not rising … the world is in fact cooling … even though CO2 has been rising.”

“By any measure, world temperature is declining.”

“We are shifting towards a Little Ice Age.”

“This is because the jet stream is moving south, and has nothing to do with global warming. Their propaganda says warming is cooling. This is absurd.”

“The fact is that the jet stream moving south is a sign of global cooling.”

And when it comes to the Arctic, there is more ice in the Arctic now than there was in the minimum of 2007. This is according to official NOAA records.

“The claim that Arctic ice is shrinking is actually false.”

“We are headed towards a Little Ice Age … and the current climate propaganda is pointing us in the wrong direction.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ucpzabzFM
Thanks to Argiris Diamantis for this link
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From Robert Felix's website: http://iceagenow.info/2012/12/astrophysicist-shifting-ice-age-video/

[araucaria]

The sure cause of it I am not sure, is it space changes or carbon emissions, it does not matter. Is it a change in the Gulf Stream currents due to the oil in the Gulf of Mexico? Is it a hick into the usual earth changes over the centuries and an announcement of some more dramatic climate changes to come (heat or freeze), I do not know.

But one thing I do know, is that today is the 9th of December today, and it is raining outside. It is that last year we had about no snow. The year before not much either, and the year before neither. In complete contrast to my childhood.

Also, we have had the warmest summers on records for 2-3 years now. Records dating back centuries.

It is very difficult for me to admit there is no global warming. It goes against all my physical senses, meaning what I see, feel, hear. Any Northener on this planet would tell you.

Sorry Flash, I have to disagree with your local impression, which may well be different from the overall position. Here in northern France, where the coldest of winter only lasts about three weeks, the last few years have seen the coldest snaps since the early eighties.

To say the earth is cooling is not to say it is at its coldest. Nor is it to say that this cycle will necessarily be as cold as the last one or the next one. The overall trend is cyclical, that's all, not permanently in any one direction.

[Hervé]

Forget global warming, Alaska is headed for an ice age

From: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/forget-global-warming-alaska-headed-ice-age


Alex DeMarban | Dec 23, 2012

Alaska is going rogue on climate change.

Defiant as ever, the state that gave rise to Sarah Palin is bucking the mainstream yet again: While global temperatures surge hotter and the ice-cap crumbles, the nation's icebox is getting even icier.

That may not be news to Alaskans coping with another round of 50-below (https://www.facebook.com/US.NationalWeatherService.Alaska.gov?fref=ts) during the coldest winter in two decades, or to the mariners locked out of the Bering Sea this spring by record ice growth (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/m/node/289866).

Then again, it might. The 49th state has long been labeled one of the fastest-warming spots on the planet. But that's so 20th Century.

In the first decade since 2000, the 49th state cooled 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit.


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Widespread warming

That's a "large value for a decade," the Alaska Climate Research Center (http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/) at the University of Alaska Fairbanks said in "The First Decade of the New Century: A Cooling Trend for Most of Alaska." (http://www.benthamscience.com/open/toascj/articles/V006/111TOASCJ.pdf)

The cooling is widespread -- holding true for 19 of the 20 National Weather Service stations (http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/stations/Index.html) sprinkled from one corner of Alaska to the other, the paper notes. It's most significant in Western Alaska, where King Salmon on the Alaska Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Salmon,_Alaska) saw temperatures drop most sharply, a significant 4.5 degrees for the decade, the report says.

The new nippiness began with a vengeance in 2005, after more than a century that saw temperatures generally veer warmer in Alaska, the report says. With lots of ice to lose, the state had heated up about twice as fast as the rest of the planet, in line with rising global greenhouse gas emissions, note the Alaska Climate Center researchers, Gerd Wendler, L. Chen and Blake Moore. After a "sudden temperature increase" in Alaska starting in 1977, the warmest decade on record occurred in the 1980s, followed by another jump in the 1990s, they note. The third warmest decade was the 1920s, by the way.


Too chilly for king salmon?

But now comes cooling. Researchers blame the Decadal Oscillation (http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/), an ocean phenomenon that brought chillier surface water temperatures toward Alaska. Some contend the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is harming the state's king salmon runs (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/biologists-look-ocean-clues-alaska-king-salmon-collapse), too.
One effect of the oscillation is to weaken the Aleutian Low -- a storm-breeding center known for spitting out winter tempests that help regulate weather in the Lower 48. With that low-pressure center above the Aleutians weakened, polar storms raking Alaska from the north linger longer.

People have noticed the new chill in King Salmon, but slightly colder temperatures don’t bother you much when you're already bundled up for 20-below, said Don Hatten, the National Weather Service forecaster there. Most noticeable was that for the first time last year, the Bering Sea ice shelf extended south nearly to the edge of the Alaska Peninsula, he said.

The single exception to Alaska’s cooling trend came in Barrow along North Slope, where the mercury rose as it has across most of the Arctic. That's because that northernmost slice of Alaska is secluded from the rest of the state by the Brooks Range, researchers say. Temperatures for the decade were 3.1 degrees higher in Barrow. That trend continued earlier this year (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/far-flung-barrow-warmer-usual-whats-behind-alaska-heat-wave), with weeks of above average temperatures (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=436486633071402&set=a.146147645438637.42652.137686999618035&type=1&theater) in Barrow, apparently driven in part by Arctic Ocean ice melting.


Some like it cold

Will Alaska’s frigid spell last long? The researchers don't know. The report notes, however, that Alaska endured three decades of relative cold starting in the mid-1940s. Many Alaskans pray the current cold stretch abates sooner.

[Referee]

This sis the best explanation I have heard of to answer the question in the OP.

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[Kiforall]

Straight to the point and easy for all the goons in the UK Government to understand.
Australian Geologist exposes climate change hoax.

http://youtu.be/iEPW_P7GVB8

[meat suit]

today from the bbc:

Scientists have their best measure yet for the amount of ice in Antarctica.

A detailed analysis of data compiled during 50 years of exploration shows the White Continent to contain about 26-and-a-half-million cubic km.

It is a colossal volume, and to put that in some sort of context: if this ice was all converted to liquid water, it would be sufficient to raise the height of the world's oceans by 58m.

These numbers come out of an international project known as Bedmap2



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21692423

[Hervé]

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Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling

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Peter Ferrara, Contributor
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/





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Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

That is one of the most interesting conclusions to come out of the seventh International Climate Change Conference sponsored by the Heartland Institute, held last week in Chicago. I attended, and served as one of the speakers, talking about The Economic Implications of High Cost Energy.

The conference featured serious natural science, contrary to the self-interested political science you hear from government financed global warming alarmists seeking to justify widely expanded regulatory and taxation powers for government bodies, or government body wannabees, such as the United Nations. See for yourself, as the conference speeches are online (http://climateconferences.heartland.org/iccc7/).

What you will see are calm, dispassionate presentations by serious, pedigreed scientists discussing and explaining reams of data. In sharp contrast to these climate realists, the climate alarmists have long admitted that they cannot defend their theory that humans are causing catastrophic global warming in public debate. With the conference presentations online, let’s see if the alarmists really do have any response.

The Heartland Institute has effectively become the international headquarters of the climate realists, an analog to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It has achieved that status through these international climate conferences, and the publication of its Climate Change Reconsidered volumes, produced in conjunction with the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC).

Those Climate Change Reconsidered volumes are an equivalently thorough scientific rebuttal to the irregular Assessment Reports of the UN’s IPCC. You can ask any advocate of human caused catastrophic global warming what their response is to Climate Change Reconsidered. If they have none, they are not qualified to discuss the issue intelligently.

Check out the 20th century temperature record, and you will find that its up and down pattern does not follow the industrial revolution’s upward march of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), which is the supposed central culprit for man caused global warming (and has been much, much higher in the past). It follows instead the up and down pattern of naturally caused climate cycles.

For example, temperatures dropped steadily from the late 1940s to the late 1970s. The popular press was even talking about a coming ice age. Ice ages have cyclically occurred roughly every 10,000 years, with a new one actually due around now.

In the late 1970s, the natural cycles turned warm and temperatures rose until the late 1990s, a trend that political and economic interests have tried to milk mercilessly to their advantage. The incorruptible satellite measured global atmospheric temperatures show less warming during this period than the heavily manipulated land surface temperatures.

Central to these natural cycles is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Every 25 to 30 years the oceans undergo a natural cycle where the colder water below churns to replace the warmer water at the surface, and that affects global temperatures by the fractions of a degree we have seen. The PDO was cold from the late 1940s to the late 1970s, and it was warm from the late 1970s to the late 1990s, similar to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

In 2000, the UN’s IPCC predicted that global temperatures would rise by 1 degree Celsius by 2010. Was that based on climate science, or political science to scare the public into accepting costly anti-industrial regulations and taxes?

Don Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus of Geology at Western Washington University, knew the answer. He publicly predicted in 2000 that global temperatures would decline by 2010. He made that prediction because he knew the PDO had turned cold in 1999, something the political scientists at the UN’s IPCC did not know or did not think significant.

[Taurean]

This seems to have all the answers


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[Lifebringer]

That's a simple question Bill. The methane in the North is melting because of the sun's rays and flares. Problem is it's creating warmer climate, and the side of the earth NOT facing the sun, the South Antartic, doesn't get as much sunlight, and cooler than the North that is facing directly as it rotates. Perhaps that rumour of the tilt correcting during Argentina 8.1 Earthquake, set it on it's axis?

Whatever the Creator has planned for us, We will have a cold climate somewhere on this planet. Hopefully, methane will not excape the oceans below. Perhaps WE can ship the polar bears there since they are used to ice floats and cold weather. They fish, and can excape extinction. it will take a few years to get them used to the surrounding landscape, but they won't be hungry, starving or without ice and drowning.

[rgray222]

Claude Allegre, a leading French scientist and one of France's top socialist, who was among the first scientists to try to warn people of the dangers of global warming 20 years ago, now believes that “increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena”. Allegre said, “There is no basis for saying, as most do, that the “science is settled.” He is convinced that global warming is a natural change and sees the threat of the ‘great dangers’ that it supposedly poses as being bloated and highly exaggerated. Allègre has accused those agreeing with the mainstream scientific view of global warming of being motivated by money, saying that “the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people! Rather amazing statement coming from one of the top socialist in France who is all but ignored by the mainstream media today.
Source (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388)

Is the Earth a Living Sentient Organism?
Is the Earth a giant living organism as the Gaia hypothesis predicts? A new discovery made at the University of Maryland may provide a key to answering this question. This key of sulfur could allow scientists to unlock heretofore hidden interactions between ocean organisms, atmosphere, and land -- interactions that might provide evidence supporting this famous theory.

The Gaia hypothesis -- first articulated by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis in the 1970s -- holds that Earth's physical and biological processes are inextricably connected to form a self-regulating, essentially sentient, system.

Anyone that given any thought to the universe has long since understood that the earth it is a living breathing organism It is self regulating self cleaning and self perpetuating. Severe storms, volcanic eruptions, floods, earthquakes, tsunami's, extreme heat and extreme cold are all part of the self cleaning self perpetuating activity that it performs without mans help or assistance. We are living on this earth at the pleasure of the earth itself, depending on how you look at it we are a inconvenience to the earth or we are part of a vital and intricate plan for earth and the universe as a whole. My personal take is the later. The point is, if the earth or the universe deemed us to be unnecessary or not vital to the overall plan we would be gone in a day.
Source (http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/05/is-the-earth-a-sentient-living-organism-new-study-may-provide-the-proof.htm)

Is global warming confined to Earth?
National Geographic News reported that a simultaneous rising in temperature on both Mars and Earth suggest that climate change is indeed a natural phenomenon as opposed to being man-made. The report further explains how NASA has reported that Mars’ carbon dioxide ice caps have been melting for a few years now. Sound familiar? An astronomical observatory in Russia declared that, “the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun”. They further point out that both Mars and Earth have, throughout their histories, experienced periodic ice ages as climate changes in a continuous fashion. NASA has also been observing massive storms on Saturn, which indicate a climate change occurring on that planet as well. NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope has also been recording massive climate changes on Neptune’s largest moon, Triton. Triton, whose surface was once made up of frozen nitrogen, is now turning into gas. The Associated Press has reported that satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight have been recording an increase in the sun’s temperature, meaning that the sun itself is warming up. Even the London Telegraph reported in 2004 that global warming was due to the sun being hotter than it has ever been in the past 1,000 years. They cited this information from research conducted by German and Swiss scientists who claim that it is increasing radiation from the sun that is resulting in our current climate change.
Source (http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-warming-a-convenient-lie/5086)

Did cap and trade work in Europe?
The problem is that the European community has already tried such approaches, and the results have been poor. Clean energy policies in the generating sector have increased electricity prices, indeed often doubling them. Cap-and-trade policies have enriched the companies that were granted free allowances by giving them a commodity to sell that they paid nothing to obtain. European carbon-dioxide emissions were rising, until the global recession lowered them—lowered them, in many cases, below targets set by cap-and-trade, so that companies did not have to take further actions to reduce emissions. And, as studies have shown, European clean-energy policies have resulted in job losses, often in economies already hurting.

What happen to carbon offset (carbon Trading in the European experiment?
Recently, tax evasion has been added to the list of ills stemming from carbon trading. German prosecutors searched 230 offices and homes of employees of Deutsche Bank, Germany’s largest bank, and of RWE, Germany’s second-biggest utility, to investigate tax evasion of 180 million euros ($238 million U.S.) linked to emissions trading. Last year, the U.K., France, and the Netherlands started investigating carbon traders who committed fraud by collecting the tax and then disappearing without turning the tax funds in. According to estimates from Bloomberg New Energy Finance, about 400 million metric tons of emission trades may have been fraudulent last year, or about 7 percent of the total market.
Source (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/23064)

Do Carbon Offsets Help or are they a scam?
Even in the case of energy-based schemes, however, many people argue that offsetting is unhelpful – or even counterproductive – in the fight against climate change. For example, writer George Monbiot famously compared carbon offsets with the ancient Catholic church's practice of selling indulgences: absolution from sins and reduced time in purgatory in return for financial donations to the church. Just as indulgences allowed the rich to feel better about sinful behaviour without actually changing their ways, carbon offsets allow us to "buy complacency, political apathy and self-satisfaction", Monbiot claimed. "Our guilty consciences appeased, we continue to fill up our SUVs and fly round the world without the least concern about our impact on the planet … it's like pushing the food around on your plate to create the impression that you have eaten it."

A similar if more humorous point is made by the spoof websiteCheatNeutral.com, which parodies carbon neutrality by offering a similar service for infidelity. "When you cheat on your partner you add to the heartbreak, pain and jealousy in the atmosphere," the website explains. "CheatNeutral offsets your cheating by funding someone else to be faithful and not cheat. This neutralises the pain and unhappy emotion and leaves you with a clear conscience."

There is no regulation for carbon offsets, they only work if you think you can buy a clean conscious.
Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/16/carbon-offset-projects-carbon-emissions)


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Does Grant Money influence Global Warming Findings
In the end, it’s not about science; it’s about government (tax-payer) grant money.
Scientists live or die by grant money. A long time ago universities began to realize that there’s big money to be made in doing research for the government. Global warming is no longer a cause it is an industry and it is called that by the mainstream media but no one seems to be paying attention. There is an unspoken secret amongst universities and corporations that rely on government grant money, if you don,t play ball with us on the Global Warming issue, it will be financial suicide. 'All' your government grant money will dry up not just global warming money but virtually all of it!

These headlines show you clearly show us that grant money is only available to Univeristies and Corporations that already believe that Global Warming is real and man-made. Not one dollar is allocated to the question of 'Is Global Warming Real or Man-Made'.
Global Warming Solutions Act
Impact of global warming on forest
Global Warming effects on ocean life
Global warm solutions for agriculture

This list could go on an on but the bottom line is most of the grant money today is being allocated on the basis that global warming is real.! Is there an agenda that they are attempting to force on people? You bet there is an agenda and it is called money and people need to recognize the truth about this issue.

The Facts

Global Warming and Global Cooling are real, it is simply what the sentient organism we call earth does. It has been going on since the beginning of time and it will go on for the rest of time.
Global Warming is not confined to earth, it is being experience through out the universe, at least in our own neighborhood, Mars, Saturn, Neptune etc.
Yes, man is putting carbon into the environment but not enough to influence massive changes in the weather. We should all do our part to insure clean water, clean air and a safe food supply but we do not need government intervention.
Cap and trade taxes have proven to be detrimental to economies, government intervention rarely works, if ever.
Carbon offsets are a scam and should never have been put in place.
The governments of the world are aggressively pushing the Global Warming / Climate Change agenda because they want to tax people on the weather. This would be an new endless supply of revenue which they desperately need to fund their reckless spending.
The media is clearing has an agenda, global warming stories sell, sensational headlines about the doom and gloom of global warming get attention sells papers and advertising time so it is about the money.
The media and the government have never allowed open healthy debate about Global Warming, they know if the facts came out in the open they would never win and their agenda's would cease to exist.



So it is an age old story that we have heard time after time............it is all about the money. Advertising revenue for the media, grant money to universities and corporations and tax money for governments. Is anyone surprised!

[Hervé]

Claude Allegre, ...

[...]

About time for some truths to come out of this guy's mouth and finger tips... must be getting weak with old age... like with the debates over El Hierro between so-called "scientists" which are politician in disguises and real scientists, Allegre is a politician.

... check the fiasco he got into with Haroun Tazieff regarding eruptions in the French Antilles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Grande_Soufri%C3%A8re_(volcano)).

[Lifebringer]

Yes it will make for some lovely ski weather in teh Northern European countries. Hopefully they will make use of that "extra water supply" and give freely to the drought areas, in exchange for produce. Neighborly behaviors of love and caring can spread around the world. Nutrition and Poverty are our biggest enemies, and those who cause the miseries generation after generation are going to answer for it dearly.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

[Hervé]

From: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/fact-check-for-andrew-glickson-ocean-heat-has-paused-too/

Fact check for Andrew Glikson – Ocean heat has paused too (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/fact-check-for-andrew-glickson-ocean-heat-has-paused-too/)
Posted on February 25, 2013 (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/fact-check-for-andrew-glickson-ocean-heat-has-paused-too/) by Anthony Watts (http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/wattsupwiththat/)

Over at The Conversation Andrew Glikson asks Fact check: has global warming paused (http://theconversation.edu.au/fact-check-has-global-warming-paused-12439)? citing an old Skeptical Science favorite graph, and that’s the problem; it’s old data. He writes:
As some 90% of the global heat rise is trapped in the oceans (since 1950, more than 20×1022 joules), the ocean heat level reflects global warming more accurately than land and atmosphere warming. The heat content of the ocean has risen since about 2000 by about 4×1022 joules.
…
To summarise, claims that warming has paused (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html) over the last 16 years (1997-2012) take no account of ocean heating.

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Figure 3: Build-up in Earth’s total heat content. http://www.skepticalscience.com/docs/Comment_on_DK12.pdf


Hmmm, if “…ocean heat level reflects global warming more accurately than land and atmosphere warming…” I wonder what he and the SkS team will have to say about this graph from NOAA Pacific Marine Environment Laboratory (PMEL) using more up to date data from the ARGO buoy (http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/) system?

Sure looks like a pause to me, especially after steep rises in OHC from 1997-2003. Note the highlighted period in yellow:


http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/noaa_upper_ocean_heat_content.png?w=640&h=518 (http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/noaa_upper_ocean_heat_content.png)


From PMEL at http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/


The plot shows the 18-year trend in 0-700 m Ocean Heat Content Anomaly (OHCA) estimated from in situ data according to Lyman et al. 2010 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature09043). The error bars include uncertainties from baseline climatology, mapping method, sampling, and XBT bias correction.

Historical data are from XBTs, CTDs, moorings, and other sources. Additional displays of the upper OHCA are available in the Plots section (http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/uohca-plots.html).

As Dr. Sheldon Cooper would say: “Bazinga!“

h/t to Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. for the PMEL graph.


UPDATE: See the above graph converted to temperature anomaly in this post (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/ocean-temperature-and-heat-content/) [reproduced in part, below].


Ocean Temperature And Heat Content (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/ocean-temperature-and-heat-content/)
Posted on February 25, 2013 (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/ocean-temperature-and-heat-content/)by Willis Eschenbach (http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/weschenbach/)
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Anthony has an interesting post (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/25/fact-check-for-andrew-glickson-ocean-heat-has-paused-too/) up discussing the latest findings regarding the heat content of the upper ocean.

He notes that there has been no significant change in the OHCA in the last decade. It’s a significant piece of information. I still have a problem with the graph, however, which is that the units are meaningless to me. What does a change of 10 zeta-joules mean? So following my usual practice, I converted the graph to a more familiar units, degrees C. Let me explain how I went about that.

To start with, I digitized the data from the graph. Often this is far, far quicker than tracking down the initial dataset, particularly if the graph contains the errors. I work on the Mac, so I use a program called GraphClick, I’m sure the same or better is available on the PC. I measured three series: the data, the plus error, and the minus error. I then put this data into an Excel spreadsheet, available here (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/96723180/pmel%20upper%20ocean%20data.xlsx).

Then all that remained was to convert the change in zeta-joules to the corresponding change in degrees C. The first number I need is the volume of the top 700 metres of the ocean. I have a spreadsheet for this. Interpolated, it says 237,029,703 cubic kilometres. I multiply that by 62/60 to adjust for the density of salt vs. fresh water, and multiply by 10^9 to convert to tonnes. I multiply that by 4.186 mega-joules per tonne per degree C. That tells me that it takes about a thousand zeta-joules to raise the upper ocean temperature by 1°C.

Dividing all of the numbers in their chart by that conversion factor gives us their chart, in units of degrees C. Calculations are shown on the spreadsheet.


http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/degrees-pmel-0-700m-heat-content-anomaly.jpg?w=640 (http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/degrees-pmel-0-700m-heat-content-anomaly.jpg)
Figure 2. Upper ocean heat content anomaly, 0-700 metres, in degrees C.


I don’t plan to say a whole lot about that, I’ll leave it to the commenters, other than to point out the following facts:

• The temperature was roughly flat from 1993-1998. Then it increased by about one tenth of a degree in the next five years to 2003, and has been about flat since then.

• The claim is made that the average temperature of the entire upper ocean of the planet is currently known to an error (presumably one sigma) of about a hundredth of a degree C.

• I know of no obvious reason for the 0.1°C temperature rise 1998-2003, nor for the basically flat temperatures before and after.

• The huge increase in observations post 2002 from the addition of the Argo floats didn’t reduce the error by a whole lot.

My main question in this revolves around the claimed error. I find the claim that we know the average temperature of the upper ocean with an error of only one hundredth of a degree to be very unlikely … the ocean is huge beyond belief. This claimed ocean error is on the order of the size of the claimed error in the land temperature records, which have many more stations, taking daily records, over a much smaller area, at only one level. Doubtful.

I also find it odd that the very large increase in the number of annual observations due to the more than 3,000 Argo floats didn’t decrease the error much …

As is common in climate science … more questions than answers. Why did it go up?
Why is it now flat? Which way will the frog jump next?

Regards to everyone,

w.

[meat suit]

Awesome Amzer!
I had never considered that... of course the oceans are a vast heat store...
and bearing in mind that 80% of the worlds volcanos are under the oceans, the graph also indicates that they havent been more heat that usual...

cheers!

meat

[Hervé]

Ice breakers astounded at record spread of ice on the Baltic Sea (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/ice-breakers-astounded-record-spread-ice-baltic-sea/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On April 6, 2013 · 3 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/ice-breakers-astounded-record-spread-ice-baltic-sea/#comments)

Late-season freeze sets Baltic ice record – Scientists say they have never seen anything like it.

“Since record keeping began in the sixties, we’ve never encountered anything like this before,” ice breaker Ulf Gulldne told the local newspaper Örnsköldsviks Allehanda.
On March 29th, 176,000 square kilometers of the Baltic Sea was covered in ice, a record for the time of year.

“I’ve never seen this much ice this late in the season,” said Karl Herlin, captain of the icebreaker Atle, currently working off the coast of Luleå in northern Sweden.

This past week has been the busiest week for the Atle so far this winter.

The Swedish Maritime Administration (Sjöfartsverket) has all its five icebreaking crews in service at the moment.

“The cold is unusually stubborn, as normally the ice would have started to melt by now,” said Torbjörn Grafström at the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (SMHI).

Forecasters had expected the Baltic ice to reach its maximum in late January,
http://www.thelocal.se/47154/20130405/#.UWAi7ZNJO30
http://notrickszone.com/2013/04/06/baltic-sea-sets-march-ice-record-never-seen-this-much-ice-this-late-in-the-season/

(http://notrickszone.com/2013/04/06/baltic-sea-sets-march-ice-record-never-seen-this-much-ice-this-late-in-the-season/)
Thanks to Laurel, Kirk Myers and Sonya Porter for these links

[Hervé]

Whether it's global warming or a new ice age, the culprit is still the same: CO2


From http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/nasa-study-shows-co2-cools-atmosphere/:

NASA – New study shows that CO2 COOLS atmosphere
By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On April 20, 2013 · 60 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/nasa-study-shows-co2-cools-atmosphere/#comments)

Carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth’s atmosphere, says new NASA report (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/).

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/NASA_symbol-300x200.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/nasa-study-shows-co2-cools-atmosphere/nasa_symbol/)

“NASA’s Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun,” says to this article on principia-scientific.org.

“The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.”

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

Ain’t science great? First they “prove” that CO2 warms the atmosphere. Now they “prove” that it cools the atmosphere.
Either way, you’re the culprit, and you must pay higher taxes. What a racket! See entire article:
http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/163-new-discovery-nasa-study-proves-carbon-dioxide-cools-atmosphere.html#.UVYwRz4bXF4.facebook
Thanks to Steven Rowlandson and Jeff Rense for this link

[Hervé]

Temperatures falling – CO2 levels rising (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/temperatures-falling-co2-levels-rising/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On April 26, 2013 · 30 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/temperatures-falling-co2-levels-rising/#comments)

But our leaders still insist that rising CO2 levels cause global warming. Where’s the correlation?

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CO2-Rising-while-Temps-Fall.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/temperatures-falling-co2-levels-rising/co2-rising-while-temps-fall/)
Worldwide temperatures have been falling since 1998 while CO2 levels have been steadily rising.

It is so obvious that CO2 levels do not cause global warming.

How can so many scientists be so blind? Does the fear of losing their funding affect them that much?
I love how Joe Bastardi puts it: All they have left is excuses, not reasons.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg

Thanks to meteorologist Joe Bastardi for this link

[Hervé]

Joe Bastardi On Global Cooling: "The Fall Is Very Very Plain To See...You'll See This Trend Continue" (http://notrickszone.com/2013/04/26/joe-bastardi-on-global-temperature-the-fall-is-very-very-plain-to-see-youll-see-this-trend-continue/)

P Gosselin, No Tricks Zone, Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:45 CDT


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© Joe Bastardi


I'm late this time around with meteorologist Joe Bastardi's (http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-april-20-2013)Saturday Summary (4/20) (http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-april-20-2013). If you haven't seen it, then do take the few minutes to do so. He has a short outlook for the coming years.

He starts by showing the global temperature for the last 4 years: "...you can see the fall that is occurring; it's very plain to see".

Image left: Snapshot of Joe Bastardi's (http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-april-20-2013)Saturday Summary (4/20) (http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-april-20-2013).

Of course four years do not make a trend. But they do come after 11 years of stagnation. After 11 years of no warming, one would think the warming would finally resume. Instead just the opposite has occurred - and it has been cooling amazingly fast (almost 0.4°C) - thus completely defying the models. Boy, the oceans must have one big appetite!

If the last four years had seen warming, all the alarmists would be jumping up and down right now, hollering that global warming has resumed and that we're all doomed.

Bastardi:
I've seen some outrageous statements being made lately, just simply denying the facts that the previous 12, 13 years have been level. And now you see it falling off. This is because the Pacific Decadal Oscillation has flipped. Though there are much more important things facing our country today, and facing the globe in general, this issue has really been blown out of proportion compared to the importance of some other things. In my opinion, even though I'm involved in it, you might think: 'You get a lot of attention, why are you trying to downplay it?' Because it's a joke! Alright, the global temperatures respond to the sun, the ocean, the large-scale drivers, and not to the other things.

If you just watch as an objective person, if you watch over the coming years, you'll see this trend continue. Just like you can't deny it was going up when the oceans were warming up in the 80s - from the very cold levels of the 60s and 70s - you can't deny that it's going down now."
Are Rob Honeycutt and his buddy Dana listening?

Last I heard is that they've turned to blaming the oceans for eating up all the lost warming. Unfortunately for them, the bet (http://notrickszone.com/join-the-climate-bet-for-charity/) was on RSS and UAH trends, and not the temperature down somewhere in the ocean depths.

They shouldn't take it too hard, though, because it's for charity. And besides, it should come to them as a relief that the world isn't going to burn up like they thought (or hoped?) it would.

[mahalall]

climate feedback loops and methane expulsion related to geoengineering might be one explanation
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[norman]

I've just spent a very frustrating half hour listening to a group of 'academics' discussing the recent report that scientists are now 95% certain humans are causing climate change and that the science is settled and it's time to get on with policy making.

No mention was made of the climate change on other planets in the solar system. No mention was made of HARRP. No mention was made of an ongoing geoengineering program. No mention was made of the global network of underground bases and tunnels.They only mentioned the Arctic, not once was the Antarctic mentioned.

But they are saying the science is settled !

Jeez, I felt like grabbing the smug pseudo boffins around the throat and screaming at them.

[Hervé]

German Scientists: Solar Cycle 24 Points To Dalton Or Maunder-Like Minimum, Boding Ill For A Climate Cooling (http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/11/german-scientists-solar-cycle-24-points-to-dalton-or-maunder-like-minimum-boding-ill-for-a-climate-cooling/)

The Sun in October 2013 – Minimum lies ahead (http://www.kaltesonne.de/?p=14214)
By Frank Bosse and Fritz Vahrenholt
(Translated by P Gosselin (http://notrickszone.com/author/admin/) on 11. November 2013)

In October 2013 there was a considerable rise in solar activity as the sunspot number (SSN) climbed to 85.6. That’s 77% of the mean value reached at this time into a solar cycle since 1750. The following diagram shows the current situation:


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SSN versus months since the start of the cycle

October 2013 deviates significantly from solar cycle number 5. However we continue to believe that SC 24 will be similar to SC 5. Just how large the uncertainties of the correct description of the 5th cycle is shown by a recently published paper by Rainer Arlt of the Leibniz Institute Potsdam and Ilya Usoskin (http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2013/11/aa22373-13/aa22373-13.html) of the Finnish University of Oulo, who after examining the solar cycles between 1750 und 1850 reached the conclusion that the sunspot count should be lowered by 20%. SC 24 shown by the red curve is, however, still very much below average of SC 1-23, let alone well below the large cycles of the solar maximums from 1940 – 1990.

Also in October 2013 mainly the southern hemisphere (SH) of our sun was active. In a comparison of the cycles with each other (here the SSN anomaly thus far up to the current cycle month) we see that the accumulated sunspot number is between SC5 and SC 14:


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Current cycle indicate we are entering a Dalton-like minimum


In a recent publication in Space Science Reviews (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11214-011-9851-3) (2013), renowned solar scientists Ken McCracken, Juerg Beer, Friedhelm Steinhilber and Jose Abreu studied the solar minimums over the last 9300 years. Based on measurements of beryllium and carbon isotopes as indicators for the intensity of cosmic rays, which are modulated by solar activity, the scientists arrived at the result that the minimum of 2007 to 2009 had similar characteristics as the minimums occurring during the time of the Dalton Minimums of 1780 to 1820. They discovered a 208-year periodicity (Suess-de Vries) of a grand solar minimum in the past. Therefore they anticipate in the near future the events of a Dalton Minimum, but not a Maunder Minimum.

Lockwood sees elevated chance of a Maunder-like minimum
Another established solar scientist, Prof. Michael Lockwood of the University of Reading, has pointed out that solar activity since the end of the last century has diminished more strongly than it ever has in all the earlier times of the last 9000 years. Lockwood found 24 solar minimum in the last 9000 years, and nowhere did solar activity drop so strongly as it has in the current period. He now sees the probability of another Maunder Minimums at 25- 30%. Just a few years ago he said the probability of a Maunder Minimum re-occurring was 8%. Consequently Lockwood: “We found a significant relationship between the occurrence of cold winters in Europe and solar activity.“ The probable mechanism is the change in the solar UV radiation, which has an influence of the temperature gradient, ozone formation, and the winds in the stratosphere. This in turn disrupts the Jetstream in the northern hemisphere, leads to blocking weather patterns, and to easterly winds that lead to cold spells.

Already in our September report 2013 (http://www.kaltesonne.de/?p=13284) concerning the publication by Ermolli et al we pointed to a much more strongly variable UV radiation within a solar cycle then what is observed in the overall total radiation (factor 2-6). Weaker solar cycles have a considerably weaker UV radiation and lead to cold periods in the northern hemisphere. Unfortunately the measurements can no longer be continued because the SORCE satellite, which measures the radiation of the sun above the atmosphere, has stopped functioning because of battery damage, and so the cold winters that lie ahead will have to be endured without satellite UV measurements.

And we introduce a third publication. In it Friedrich Steinhilber and Jürg Beer (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgra.50210/abstract) are venturing a look at the next 500 years using two different methods. Here, phi is a measure of solar activity. M marks the Maunder Minimum, D the Dalton Minimum and G the weaker Gleisberg Minimum of 1900:


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Other reading: wsj.com/news/8 (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304672404579183940409194498).

[araucaria]

Taken from today's Guardian online, showing that not only are climate scientists lousy forecasters, they have very short memories too.


ID0667935 (http://www.theguardian.com/discussion/user/id/3745109) 13 November 2013 10:54am (http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/28830496)

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Madranon - "Roll on climate denialists and assorted wacky conspiracy theorists."
Seems the wacky ones are the ones making these dumb predictions - some scientists!
1. Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.
Ten years later, in December 2009, London was hit by the heaviest snowfall seen in 20 years.
2. "[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.
3. "Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.
4. "Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." Associated Press, May 15, 1989.
5. "By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." Life magazine, January 1970.
6. "If present trends continue, the world will be ... eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Kenneth E.F. Watt, in "Earth Day," 1970.
7. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.
Ehrlich's prediction was taken seriously when he made it, and New Scientist magazine underscored his speech in an editorial titled "In Praise of Prophets."
8. "In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970
And there are hundreds of more predictions from these "scientists" slaving away over their dodgy computer models that are just as dumb. More and more mainstream scientists are questioning the unproven theory that C02 can cause global warming particularly as global temperatures have remained pretty constant over the past twenty years despite and increase in C02 levels.

[Sunny-side-up]

Global warming (Global Warning Doh!) (for whatever reason) Moisture being sucked out of the atmos and dumped at a higher rate as snow in one area! Well things will seem very warm where the rain stops falling :( .
Well I can say it don't sound too good ha!
If this keeps on happening? do we go Ice planet? Less atmos moisture/less heat?
I,ve always said to any people I might come in contact with that things are never simple; a warming of some kind yes (natural or man made?) but it will fluctuate in areas! up and down, hot and cold where will the ball will land?

Just another one of their PTB well invested underground hi tech city uses.

[Hervé]

There it comes... by bucket-loads...


First snow of the 2013 season breaks records

Weather Channel again recognizes Valdez as snowiest US city

November 13, 2013 | Vol. 25 Edition 46 (http://www.valdezstar.net/issue/11_13_2013/)


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Valdez Star photo
The 29.3 inches of snow – with record rain mixed in – was too heavy for this spruce tree which was growing out of the mountain ledge along Mile 8 of the Richardson Highway.


Sunday marked the first measurable snow day in Valdez and it was a record breaker according to the National Weather Service.

A respectable 24.4 inches of snow fell Sunday, beating the old November 10 record of 19.1 inches set in 1994.

But before the Valdez Buccaneer Ski team trades in water skis for snow skis, it is worth mentioning that Sunday also broke the record for precipitation on that date, with the weather service reporting 2.10 inches of rain mixing with that record snow.

"The old record precipitation from November 10 was 1.77 inches from 1976," the weather service website said. "This brings the total precipitation for the year to 86.94 inches...which is the third highest annual total."

Unfortunately for those tasked with shoveling, driving, plowing or having to go outside on Veteran's Day, the mix of rain and snow continued most of the day Monday. At 2 p.m. the weather service reported an additional 4.6 inches of snow. Combine that with 2.31 inches worth of rain (also a record for November 11) on top of Sunday's rain and snow and you get 20 inches of slushy muck. Or as the weather service reports it, a combined snow depth of 20 inches. That rose to 22 inches by Tuesday morning.

The average yearly precipitation in Valdez between September 1 and November 11 is 19.84 inches. The weather service says 38.21 inches had been recorded as of Monday. This beats out last year's recorded rainfall of 33.95 inches.

The snowfall average between September 1 and November 11 is 23.5 inches. Last year at this time, the town had a paltry 8.4 inches of autumn snow by that date.

While the rest of Alaska battled numerous winter storms – some quite severe - and icy conditions in late October and early November, Valdez mostly cruised through early autumn with warm temperatures and little ice.

The current weather forecast from Tuesday morning says Valdez can expect milder conditions through the weekend according to Mark Byrd, a traveling weather technician currently working at the Valdez office of the weather service.

"There's nothing significant in the forecast for quite awhile," he said, maybe some scattered snow showers Thursday. "Nothing too heavy duty coming at us."


This week's record snow and rain days are timely; last Thursday, the Weather Channel (once again) recognized Valdez as the snowiest city not only in Alaska, but in the USA.

Valdez "clobbers the competition" according the Weather Channel website.

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Valdez Star photo
Snow Town looked more like the Windy City last Wednesday when gusty winds up to 38 miles per hour brought a distinct chill to the air. While the winds were mild compared to past storms this time of year, the plastic sheeting covering the top of the city's not-yet-complete maintenance shop billowed in the air.

The second snowiest city in the nation, Crested Butte, Montana, boasts a yearly average of 215.3 inches of snow. Valdez averages 326.3 inches (27.2 feet) per year.

The Weather Channel asked the question, "Why do they get so much?"

According to its meteorologists, the mountains surrounding Valdez are just one of several primary causes.

"These mountains don't completely block cold air in the Alaskan interior from reaching Valdez. Instead, north to northeast winds channel through mountain valleys. Cold air can also drain from glaciers and mountain snowfields into the city, especially at night," the Weather Channel explains. "Secondly, one of the most common low pressure systems on the planet, the "Aleutian low", sets up camp to the southwest of Valdez in the colder months. When this happens, copious Pacific moisture pumps into southern Alaska. If cold air is in place, as described above, you guessed it, heavy snow results."

Stay tuned folks..., there is always more snow in this goofy little town.

[Frederick Jackson]

I believe the Forbes piece aims to mislead by implying we have a kind of zero sum game going on. This little news brief from NASA JPL on the increase in the antarctic sea ice extent gives a more complete picture than that afforded by the Forbes piece.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-355

As I read it there is an increase in the strength of westerlies (due to warmer climate) which will cause a general sea ice drift to the north, hence expanding the total field. I may try to get ahold of my former colleagues a HASA for their thoughts on this, particularly Dr. Claire Parkinson who some years ago published a comprehensive antarctic sea ice atlas.

Similarly misleading to me is the report of increased snow cover. This can come about with increased water transport in warmer air leading to more precipitation in the form of snow. And this can go on while at the same time the warmer glacier bottoms allow faster flow of the glaciers into the sea. Also some ice shelves appear to be on the verge of breaking up. Again, I should have to study the literature more to get a better feel for the situation.

[Hervé]

From: http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/22/austrian-meteorologists-stupefied-into-silence-data-from-alps-show-marked-cooling-over-last-2-3-decades/


Austrian Meteorologists Stupefied Into Silence! Data From Alps Show Marked Cooling Over Last 2-3 Decades! (http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/22/austrian-meteorologists-stupefied-into-silence-data-from-alps-show-marked-cooling-over-last-2-3-decades/)

By P Gosselin (http://notrickszone.com/author/admin/) on 22. November 2013

Perhaps you’ve been wondering why the alarmists have been so shrill lately? It’s not because the climate is overheating, to the contrary it’s beginning to cool – and so their sham is about to be blown out into the open for everyone to see.


http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Alps-public-domain-photo.jpg (http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Alps-public-domain-photo.jpg)


Austrian meteorological data show that European Alps have been cooling, at times massively, over the last 20 years. Public domain photo.

Evaluated data from the Austrian ZAMG meteorological institute now unmistakably show that the Alps have been cooling over the last 20 years and longer, “at some places massively“ thus crassly contradicting all the loud claims, projections, and model sceanrios made earlier by global warming scientists.

German meteorologist Dominik Jung reports on the data he himself evaluated from the European Alps and concludes at the German-language Huffington Post here (http://www.huffingtonpost.de/dominik-jung/die-alpen-trotzen-der-kli_b_4300905.html?utm_hp_ref=tw):
We are obviously very far away from milder winters. The trend actually is moving in the opposite direction! A few years ago climatologists advised winter sports locations in the Alps to reduce their investments in winter sports facilities – because of the ever increasing mean temperatures, they soon would not be worth it. So we ask ourselves, which increasing temperatures are the ladies and gentlemen even talking about?”
Some places have seen “massive cooling”
According to an expert review conducted by the Zentralanstalt für Meteorologie und Geodynamik (ZAMG), the Austrian state weather service, using weather data from the last 20 years or more: “Winters there indeed are shown to have gotten colder over the last 20 years, and in some places quite massively. The last two winters at Kitzbühel were in fact the coldest of the last 20 years.”

Jung then writes that also four other high elevation stations in the Alps were assessed: Zugspitze in Germany, Schmittenhöhe in Austria, Sonnblick in Austria and Säntis in Switzerland. Result:
They all yielded the same amazing result: Winters in the Alps over the last decades have become significantly colder, the data show.”
Jung writes that data from extra long datasets from 20 to 30 years were examined, “just like climatologists always insist.”

Jung then informs readers that he asked the Austrian meteorological experts on site what they thought of the results. According to Jung, the reaction was either dead silence induced by shock, or attempts to downplay the results. Had the data shown warming instead, then of course we would be hearing just the opposite of silence and downplaying…we’d be hearing the hysterical screams of bloody climate murder!

Humiliated science
Jung speculates that the reason meteorologists and climatologists don’t want to hear about the results is because “it doesn’t fit with their world view.” After all, just a few years ago they were cock-sure about their predictions of winters without snow and that skiing was only going to be possible at extremely high elevations. Science just possibly could not be humiliated to a greater extent.

Near the end of his Huffington Post essay, Jung comments that it appears that “climate warming has become a religion. Those belonging to it do not tolerate new findings“, even those that stem from solid observations and measurements.

Meteorologist Jung concludes that it’s almost scandalous that the responsible authorities are simply ignoring these findings.

[araucaria]

The really pathetic thing about the warming scam is the Manichean way it is suggested that anyone claiming otherwise is in bed with Big Oil. So let's be clear on one thing: both Big Oil and dodgy science are causes of trashing the planet and both have got to go.

[Crystine]

I am not a scientist. But if global warming was true. Then I would expect sea levels to drop if the ice melts. Is there more land mass at the poles or more ice? Since ice is mostly below below the water line. I think. Maybe it's not. But if it is, shouldn't the water levels drop. Somebody can explain. I could look it up. But I like to question here.

[Hervé]

I am not a scientist. But if global warming was true. Then I would expect sea levels to drop if the ice melts. Is there more land mass at the poles or more ice? Since ice is mostly below below the water line. I think. Maybe it's not. But if it is, shouldn't the water levels drop. Somebody can explain. I could look it up. But I like to question here.

Pretty good thinking going on there Christine...

The only way sea level can rise a bit is if land glaciers melted.

Otherwise, the Arctic Sea ice melting wouldn't change much of the sea level since ice is less dense than water and occupies a larger immersed volume in the sea as ice than as water... the loss of the equivalent volume by melting being compensated by the 1/10th of the whole volume above the ice flotation line... I guess people never heard of Achimedes' principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes%27_principle)... but one can get an idea with ice cubes in a glass of water and see if, when the ice melts, the water level in the glass is going to: rise and spill over, remain unchanged or decrease... :)

[Vitalux]

I am not a scientist. But if global warming was true. Then I would expect sea levels to drop if the ice melts. Is there more land mass at the poles or more ice? Since ice is mostly below below the water line. I think. Maybe it's not. But if it is, shouldn't the water levels drop. Somebody can explain. I could look it up. But I like to question here.

For what it is worth Christine, I have a personal friend who as part of his study to get his PhD in environmental chemistry a few years ago, went on a polar expedition to study ice levels. Upon conclusion of his theses he reported that in the past 100 years, ice world ice levels were about the same. In areas of the world where the ice was receding, at the opposite poles ice was accumulating.

In other words, antarctic was gaining just about as much ice as the North pole was losing.
Further, he and I had a discussion where it was his educated guess that human beings had about as much ability to change the climate by Carbon dioxide emissions as we had to change the climate on the Moon by farting. :noidea:

The whole concept of global warming, in my opinion, is for fear mongering.

http://wondergressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Fear_mongerer_Jon_Stewart.jpg

[Crystine]

to Amer Zo.

Is this the same principle at work in the following------------I learned in 9th grade science that we wouldn't be here. There would be no life on the earth. Not one blade of grass. If water, in its solid form sank. can't do the chemical formula (no 2 below the line). But ice floats. If it sank the earth would be a ball if mostly solid ice. With all the adherent implications. Water is an anomaly? There may be other exceptions, but I flunked chemistry. But I know from icebergs that ice is mostly under water. I know from snow. 1 inch of rain is 6 to 8 inches of snow. Depending on the degree of fluff.

[Crystine]

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Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?
Posted by Christine Lori (here)
I am not a scientist. But if global warming was true. Then I would expect sea levels to drop if the ice melts. Is there more land mass at the poles or more ice? Since ice is mostly below below the water line. I think. Maybe it's not. But if it is, shouldn't the water levels drop. Somebody can explain. I could look it up. But I like to question here.

Vitalux: thanks for the following post:

For what it is worth Christine, I have a personal friend who as part of his study to get his PhD in environmental chemistry a few years ago, went on a polar expedition to study ice levels. Upon conclusion of his theses he reported that in the past 100 years, ice world ice levels were about the same. In areas of the world where the ice was receding, at the opposite poles ice was accumulating.

In other words, antarctic was gaining just about as much ice as the North pole was losing.
Further, he and I had a discussion where it was his educated guess that human beings had about as much ability to change the climate by Carbon dioxide emissions as we had to change the climate on the Moon by farting.

"The whole concept of global warming, in my opinion, is for fear mongering."
-----------------------end of quote

That's what dad says!

[Hervé]

to Amer Zo.

Is this the same principle at work in the following------------I learned in 9th grade science that we wouldn't be here. There would be no life on the earth. Not one blade of grass. If water, in its solid form sank. can't do the chemical formula (no 2 below the line). But ice floats. If it sank the earth would be a ball if mostly solid ice. With all the adherent implications. Water is an anomaly? There may be other exceptions, but I flunked chemistry. But I know from icebergs that ice is mostly under water. I know from snow. 1 inch of rain is 6 to 8 inches of snow. Depending on the degree of fluff.


Somewhat, yes, since water is one of the very few compounds which solid form is less dense than its liquid form. Water is densest around 4 C which allows for ocean bottom to never freeze unlike methane compounds.

As for Achimedes' principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes%27_principle), it just means, in the case of floating objects on water, that the weight of water being displaced is equal to the weight of the object displacing that amount of water... so, the weight of liquid water being displaced is equal to the weight of frozen water displacing it... that's the same amount of water in the end :)

[Hervé]

Volcanic eruptions, rising CO2, boiling oceans, and why man-made global warming is not even wrong (http://www.sott.net/article/269256-Volcanic-eruptions-rising-CO2-boiling-oceans-and-why-man-made-global-warming-is-not-even-wrong#)

Doug DiPasquale and Niall Bradley
Sott.net (http://www.sott.net/article/269256-Volcanic-eruptions-rising-CO2-boiling-oceans-and-why-man-made-global-warming-is-not-even-wrong#)
Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:55 CST


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The spectacular eruption of an undersea volcano off the coast of Tonga in the South Pacific in 2009


Perhaps in an effort to ward off yet another long cold winter, officially-sanctioned climate science has been pumping out hot air at exponentially-increasing rates of late. An IPCC report in September told us that global warming "paused (http://www.sott.net/article/266944-Global-warming-believers-are-feeling-the-heat)" unexpectedly in 1998, and shows no sign of resuming. Actually, the work that went into that report found that warming had stopped altogether, but the wording was altered (http://www.sott.net/article/266865-From-Hiding-the-Decline-to-Burying-the-Pause-Man-made-Global-Warming-is-still-a-lie) to describe it as a "pause". You'd think that a pseudo-acknowledgement like this from on-high would dampen the Global Warmists' enthusiasm, but you'd be wrong.

Their driven need to 'fit the facts around the policy' is illustrated by a couple of recent articles that caught our eye. Here (http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/10/31/global-warming-pacific-ocean/3324251/) USA Today reports on the findings of a study that claims:
"The middle depths of a part of the Pacific Ocean have warmed 15 times faster in the past 60 years than they did during the previous 10,000 years." Then this BBC article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24904143) cites "the world's leading experts on ocean acidification", who claim that:
"The world's oceans are becoming acidic at an unprecedented rate and may be souring more rapidly than at any time in the past 300 million years, [...] causing a 30% loss of species in some ocean ecosystems." And, as you can probably guess, these experts are certain that it's all your fault.

By now you know the drill:

You produce too much CO2 ---> this contributes to the 'greenhouse effect' --> planet heats up --> ice caps melt --> sea levels rise, etc...


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Take note that the Pacific Ocean data they used to come up with this "warming 15 times faster than ever" claim concerns the middle depths of the Pacific Ocean. Meanwhile, another study published back in August reported that the Pacific Ocean's surface temperatures are cooling (http://www.livescience.com/39250-global-warming-pacific-cooling.html). The warming middle depths were attributed to man-made CO2 being "pumped into" the ocean, while the cooling surface layers were attributed to "a natural warm and cold cycle."

What's it gonna be guys? Man-made climate change or a natural cycle? You can't have your cake and eat it!

But apparently they believe they can have it both ways, so the established sequence of cause-and-effect has been amended to the following: an increase in CO2, predominantly or solely caused by man, causes an increase in heat. That CO2 is absorbed by the oceans, which heats them up... except for the surface layers - that's nature's fault!

If we follow their reasoning to its logical conclusion, we would have to believe that the oceans are cooling by absorbing heat that is sinking down to lower layers!

When the lower-than-expected ocean surface temperatures were announced, climate scientists - as superbly economical with the truth as ever - suggested (http://www.livescience.com/39250-global-warming-pacific-cooling.html) that the naturally-caused cooler surface ocean temperatures had "flattened out" the warmer 'human-caused' atmospheric temperatures and given us the appearance only of a "pause" in global warming!

But remember, in any event, the September IPCC report established that there never were any warmer atmospheric temperatures to begin with, so there was nothing for these cooler surface ocean temperatures to "flatten out"!

It's CO2 Jim, but not as we know it


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What there is good evidence for, however, is increased CO2 levels, in both the oceans and the atmosphere.

As we've already noted, the experts are also telling us that ocean acidification, the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans due to increased absorption of CO2, has reached unprecedented levels. Now, it is assumed that this extra CO2 is coming from human activity, via the atmosphere.

But from where, you might be wondering, did they find the hard data to support their "300 million years" claim?

From volcanic vents on the ocean floors:
Emissions of CO2 driving rapid oceans 'acid trip' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24904143)

BBC, 17 November 2013

Studies carried out at deep sea vents where the waters are naturally acidic thanks to CO2, indicate that around 30% of the ocean's biodiversity may be lost by the end of this century.

These vents may be a "window on the future" according to the researchers. "You don't find a mollusc at the pH level expected for 2100, this is really quite a stunning fact," said Prof Gattuso. "It's an imperfect window, only the ocean's acidity is increasing at these sites, they don't reflect the warming we will see this century."

[...] The effect of acidity is currently being felt most profoundly felt in the Arctic and Antarctic oceans. These chilly waters hold more CO2 and increasing levels of the gas are turning them acidic more rapidly than the rest of the world.

The researchers conclude that human emissions of CO2 are clearly to blame.

[Emphases added] Notice anything funky about this 'scientist's' understanding of a 'fact'?!

At most, human emissions of CO2 are in the 4-5% range (http://www.sott.net/article/190729-Anthropogenic-CO2-is-too-small-to-be-a-significant-or-relevant-factor-in-the-global-warming) of a gas that makes up 3% of the atmosphere. Humanity's potential contribution to atmospheric CO2 levels is therefore statistically insignificant. Yes we have toxified the entire biosphere in every way imaginable, yes we treat our fellow Earthlings abominably, and yes, there is evidence that CO2 levels are higher than ever observed by modern man, but the notion that one tiny factor in a complex and interdependent system, one that transfers vast quantities of energy around the world, is responsible for the weather extremes and mass animal die-offs we've seen in recent years is utterly absurd.

There is not enough energy - in the form of either CO2 or heat, or both - above water to account for the changes happening underwater, so this energy must be coming from elsewhere. The IPCC's own charts illustrate the problem:


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The mental gymnastics Global Warmists undertake to convince themselves that man-made CO2 is responsible for this are breath-taking. Commenting on the above IPCC chart, one green pundit in the Guardian writes (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/oct/18/global-warming-pause-meaning):
Can you make out the tiny purple segment at the bottom of the above figure? That's the only part of the climate for which the warming has 'paused'. As the IPCC figure indicates, over 90 percent of global warming goes into heating the oceans, and it continues at a rapid pace, equivalent to 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second. Ok... but in line with the September IPCC report, you need to explain to us how 90% of nothing (ie, the non-warming since 1998) translates into those large percentage increases in energy and CO2 in the oceans? Where does that energy and CO2 increase come from, if not from human activity, from land or from the atmosphere? They acknowledge that there is no atmospheric warming, so what then is boiling the oceans?

The answer is staring them in the face.

Rocking and rolling in the deep

A more rational explanation, and one that's far more serious in its implications for everyone today, whatever about people in 2100, is that increased quantities of CO2 and heat are coming up from below, i.e. passing up through the oceans from within the planet, heating and acidifying the planet's oceans.

Volcanism (http://www.sott.net/article/244640-Underwater-Volcanism-Antarctic-ice-melting-from-below) is the most likely culprit here.

The oceans' chemistry and temperature is probably changing due to direct contact with known, observable vectors of CO2, namely increasingly active and newly formed volcanic vents and underwater volcanoes on the sea floor (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080922155904.htm). Volcanic activity has been steadily brewing and increasing above ground for years. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the planet's volcanoes are located underwater. With landslides, rifts and sinkholes opening up - swallowing cars, people and buildings along the way... can we even begin to imagine what is happening on the vast and relatively unexplored ocean floors?

Countless accidental discoveries of underwater vents, volcanoes, plumes and geysers have been made in recent years, many of which we've archived on SOTT. Here's just one example:
Hydrothermal "Megaplume" Found in Indian Ocean (http://www.sott.net/article/210023-Ocean-Warming-Not-Global-Warming-Hydrothermal-Megaplume-Found-in-Indian-Ocean)

An enormous hydrothermal "megaplume" found in the Indian Ocean serves as a dramatic reminder that underwater volcanoes likely play an important role in shaping Earth's ocean systems, scientists report.

The plume, which stretches some 43.5 miles (70 kilometers) long, appears to be active on a previously unseen scale.

"In a nutshell, this thing is at least 10 times - or possibly 20 times - bigger than anything of its kind that's been seen before," said Bramley Murton of the British National Oceanography Centre. [...]

"A normal hydrothermal vent might produce something like 500 megawatts, while this is producing 100,000 megawatts. It's like an atom bomb down there." What was that the September IPCC report said about all of the man-made global warming it believes to be real being the energy equivalent of "4 atom bombs"? Here's just one underwater volcano approaching that level of energy all by itself! The volcanoes above water are erupting all over the place (http://www.sott.net/article/269141-Why-have-10-major-volcanoes-along-the-Ring-of-Fire-suddenly-roared-to-life?fb_source=hovercard), so it's probably safe to assume that, combined with underwater volcanoes, the total energy involved here dwarfs even the IPCC's highest energy estimates for man-made warming.

As we write, the Ring of Fire is super-active (http://www.sott.net/article/269138-Seven-volcanoes-in-six-different-countries-all-start-erupting-within-hours-of-each-other), with dozens of new and 'dormant' volcanoes erupting on a weekly basis. New islands formed off Japan and Pakistan (http://www.sott.net/article/266787-Pakistans-new-quake-island-emits-methane-gas) in recent months, while new underwater volcanoes are being discovered all the time:
Underwater Antarctic Volcanoes Discovered in the Southern Ocean (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110711104755.htm)

Scientists from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) have discovered previously unknown volcanoes in the ocean waters around the remote South Sandwich Islands.

Using ship-borne sea-floor mapping technology during research cruises onboard the RRS James Clark Ross, the scientists found 12 volcanoes beneath the sea surface -- some up to 3km high. They found 5km diameter craters left by collapsing volcanoes and 7 active volcanoes visible above the sea as a chain of islands. Methane is an even more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2and both are stored in vast deposits (http://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-1/energy/methane-hydrates/) in the form of clathrates under the ocean floors (http://www.sott.net/article/210945-Methane-in-Gulf-astonishingly-high-US-scientist), particularly at the poles (http://www.sott.net/article/238911-Fountains-of-methane-1000m-across-erupt-from-Arctic-ice). These deposits are being ruptured by the increased volcanic activity (and accompanying seismic activity), then dissolving into the ocean depths, and are currently outgassing at levels that have observers seriously concerned because they know from the geological record that this happens during real climate change, which, like a phase transition, builds up to an abrupt and invariably catastrophic climate shift:
Climate change crisis intensifies: 'Methane levels are going through the roof' (http://www.examiner.com/article/climate-change-crisis-intensifies-methane-levels-going-through-the-roof)

Methane, a powerful greenhouse gas which can lead to unchecked and rapid climate change, has been referred to as "the canary in the coal mine" and its release has been theorized to have caused past mass extinctions, known as the the "clathrate gun hypothesis."

Many scientists believe that a sudden release of methane clathrates in the past from the seabed and permafrost led to a sudden rise in global temperatures, also known as "abrupt climate change." Large amounts of methane being released can lead to a runaway process that is irreversible, much like "firing a gun." Abrupt climate change can cause global temperatures to change within a matter of years. We can discount the part about "runaway temperatures" because while the deep layers of oceans may be warming, the upper layers are not, and neither is the atmosphere. In addition, the ice core data (http://www.sott.net/article/153836-Current-Spike-In-Atmospheric-Methane-Mirrors-Early-Climate-Change-Events) tells us that methane spikes are signatures marking the boundaries between glacial and interglacial periods.


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No discussion about the real causes of 'climate change' would be complete without mentioning Earth's celestial visitors. With Comet ISON currently approaching perihelion (http://www.sott.net/article/269227-ISONs-close-encounter-with-the-sun-comes-Thanksgiving-Day-but-its-action-at-a-distance-is-already-happening-NOW), and at least four other comets (http://www.sott.net/article/268982-Comet-swarm-incoming-Comet-Nevski-joins-ISON-Lovejoy-LINEAR-and-Encke-as-FIVE-comets-flare-brightly-for-northern-hemisphere-observers) in close proximity, their connection to the dramatic increase in volcanic eruptions and seismic activity in the past couple of days is completely overlooked by the authorities' myopic reassurances that none of them pose a threat to us because we're not directly in their line of sight and ignores the potential for celestial objects to exert influence on our environment indirectly, at-a-distance.

But really, should we expect any different given that NASA et al were caught completely by surprise when the largest comet fragment (http://www.sott.net/article/258468-Fireball-explodes-over-Russian-city-Widespread-panic-and-structural-damage-Thousand-people-injured) since Tunguska exploded over southern Russia just 9 months ago?

Comet dust is electrically-charged so it in turn may also be causing the Earth's rotation to slow down slightly, as observed on Venus (http://www.sott.net/article/265781-Scientists-baffled-to-discover-that-Venus-spin-is-slowing-down) and Saturn (http://www.sott.net/article/241687-Saturns-Rotation-Observed-to-Slow-Down-Instrumental-Error-Ruled-Out). Such slowing of the rotation could be responsible for reducing the strength of the planet's magnetic field, exposing the planet to more dangerous cosmic radiation and stimulating even more volcanism.

More volcanic activity means more moisture is evaporated, and more dust and CO2 is released into the atmosphere. Combined with a lower (http://www.sott.net/article/212158-A-Puzzling-Collapse-of-Earths-Cooling-Upper-Atmosphere), cooler (http://www.sott.net/article/199517-Earths-Upper-Atmosphere-Cooling-Dramatically) upper atmosphere that is loading with comet dust (http://www.sott.net/article/265002-Global-dust-veil-Dust-belt-from-the-overhead-cometary-explosion-in-Russia-raced-around-the-world-in-just-four-days) (a.k.a. 'meteor smoke (http://www.sott.net/article/250750-Increased-meteor-smoke-Noctilucent-clouds-brightening-and-spreading-south)') from the significant increase in comets (http://www.sott.net/article/264372-NASA-Sharp-increase-in-comets-entering-inner-solar-system) reaching the inner solar system in recent years, expect to see even greater weather extremes than we've already had to face in recent years. Eventually a threshold may be reached, at which point heavy rainfall becomes heavy snowfall and ice age conditions set in for the long term.

We say "eventually", but be warned, a sudden-onset global Ice Age (http://www.sott.net/article/215424-Reflections-on-the-Coming-Ice-Age) happened very fast (http://www.sott.net/article/245320-Last-Ice-Age-took-just-SIX-months-to-arrive) the last time around.

In the meantime, disregard the Warmists' tepid scenario of gradual inundation of coastlines over the next hundred years due to non-existent man-made global warming, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

The climate is changing alright, but it's not warming, and it certainly isn't your fault.
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[Hervé]

Scientists increasingly moving to global cooling consensus (http://usfinancepost.com/scientists-increasingly-moving-to-global-cooling-consensus-9198.html?fb_action_ids=656372627748796&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[737613509585994]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_)

Reporter: Jack Minor (http://usfinancepost.com/author/jminor) November 2, 2013 in Politics (http://usfinancepost.com/category/politics)

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Critics of those who claim that man-made global warming is a serious threat to the planet and settled science frequently point to the fickleness of scientists on the issue, noting that in the 60s and 70s scientists were warning of just the opposite. It now appears the critic’s claims may have merit as a new consensus is beginning to once again return to the global cooling model.

Adherents of man-made global warming have supported the issue in a way akin to that of religious zealots, even to the point of attempting to cover up evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs or portrays it in a negative light.

Global warming has been blamed for every recent catastrophe including wildfires in America even when they have been started by human activity, Hurricane Sandy, and even for the recent rash of cold spells that have descended upon much of the world.

However, even in the midst of their support for the theory, they appear to have acknowledged there are serious issues with claiming that record cold winters are the result of global warming. In the 1990s, they frequently made calls for governments to take steps to issue regulations to curtail “global warming.” However, they now generally do not use the phrase any longer, instead calling on combating “climate change.”

It is unclear exactly how that is supposed to happen since the very definition itself means that if the weather changes from one day to the next that is climate change.

However, scientists are now beginning to rethink their climate change models and are seriously discussing the possibility the earth is entering into a period of global cooling.

Environmentalist Lawrence Solomon writing in the Financial Post cites the fact that solar activity is currently decreasing at one of the fastest rates as anytime the last 10,000 years. Because of this, he says many scientists are actually reverting from the mantra of global warming and are now subscribing to the possibility of global cooling as occurring.

“Now an increasing number of scientists are swinging back to the thinking of the 1960s and 1970s,” Solomon writes. “The global cooling hypothesis may have been right after all, they say. Earth may be entering a new Little Ice Age.”

He further goes on to note that Columbia University’s George Kukla- who warned the US government about the dangers of global cooling back in 1972 claimed that global warming “always precedes an ice age… The warming we saw in the 1980s and 1990s, in other words, was expected all along, much as the calm before the storm.”

One of the public-relations problems facing man-made global warming adherents is that individuals are able to look around and see the effects of increasingly cold weather that they are able to experience personally. Europe and many parts of America have experienced record snowfalls at even later periods in the year in recent years. This causes people to ask if the alarmists are warning about the planet getting warmer, then how can they explain it getting colder.

Rather than blame man-made activity for weather change on the planet, scientists have recently begun looking at solar activity as a predictor of world climate. Data available has revealed that low solar activity has been connected with cold eras in human history, while the opposite has occurred during higher solar activity such as what happened during the recent period form the 1950s to the 1990s.

Evidence of solar activity affecting climate appeared on Mars, when a probe revealed that the planet’s icepack was also experiencing global warming and receding. This prompted skeptics of man-made global warming to mockingly say that it is amazing how our probes are now causing global warming on Mars.

[CD7]

Well this may not be weather changes from either end of the globe But Florida is seeing some very different weather this year.

WOW is all I have to say.....On 11/3/13 it was the hottest recorded ever in this state for November. It has been like a rainy season, raining in the afternoon--which usually occurs in the summer months. I suppose were following suit from last year as it was recorded the hottest year on record in the south---above average record for today near 80's

'2012 Hottest Year On Record For Lower 48 States, NOAA Confirms'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/2012-hottest-year-on-record_n_2433210.html



Something is melting! The weather changes seem to be effecting peoples attitude and energy levels---

Not complaining, just noting the changes My 3 sense :)

[Hervé]

Thanks!

Meanwhile, across the Gulf:

Longest November Stretch Below 40°F in Dallas since 1976 (http://iceagenow.info/2013/12/longest-november-stretch-40f-dallas-1976/)
By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On December 3, 2013 ·

ALSO, THE GREATEST NUMBER OF SUB-30 LOWS IN NOVEMBER SINCE 1993.

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX… DEC 1 2013

…DALLAS/FORT WORTH CLIMATE NARRATIVE FOR NOVEMBER 2013…

ON NOVEMBER 13…DFW AIRPORT RECORDED ITS FIRST FREEZE OF THE SEASON. THE LOW TEMPERATURE OF 29 DEGREES WAS THE EARLIEST IN THE SEASON THE MERCURY HAS DIPPED INTO THE 20S SINCE 1993…WHEN IT WAS 29 DEGREES ON HALLOWEEN. IN ADDITION…THE BAROMETRIC PRESSURE ROSE TO 30.69 INCHES ON NOVEMBER 13…THE HIGHEST PRESSURE AT DFW SINCE JANUARY 2012.

JUST FOUR DAYS LATER…ON NOVEMBER 17…DFW AIRPORT REACHED A DAILY RECORD HIGH OF 87 DEGREES…JUST 2 DEGREES SHY OF THE ALL-TIME RECORD HIGH FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.

FOUR DAYS AFTER THAT…AN ARCTIC FRONT PLUNGED INTO NORTH TEXAS. SOME SLEET AND SNOW GRAINS WERE REPORTED ON NOVEMBER 22…AND FREEZING RAIN OCCURRED THE FOLLOWING DAY. THE SLEET AT DFW AIRPORT ON NOVEMBER 22 WAS THE EARLIEST WINTRY PRECIPITATION IN A SEASON SINCE 2007. MORE SLEET FELL ON NOVEMBER 24 AND 25…AND WHEN A WINTRY MIX OCCURRED ACROSS CENTRAL AND EAST TEXAS ON NOVEMBER 26…IT MARKED FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITH WINTRY PRECIPITATION.

DURING THE ARCTIC OUTBREAK…THE TEMPERATURE AT DFW AIRPORT WAS BELOW 40 DEGREES FOR NEARLY 60 CONSECUTIVE HOURS. THIS IS THE LONGEST STRETCH OF SUB-40 WEATHER DURING NOVEMBER SINCE 1976.

DURING THE MONTH…THERE WERE THREE DAYS WITH LOW TEMPERATURES IN THE 20S. THIS IS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF SUB-30 LOWS IN NOVEMBER SINCE 1993.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=PNSDFW

[Hervé]

I guess the guy has some info which "they" don't want to be known publicly in order to get a settlement:

Al Gore’s ‘polarbeargate’ scientist forced to retire (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/04/al-gores-polarbeargate-scientist-forced-to-retire/)

Posted on December 4, 2013 (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/04/al-gores-polarbeargate-scientist-forced-to-retire/) by Anthony Watts (http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/wattsupwiththat/)

WUWT readers may recall our coverage of Charles Monnett (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/29/inspector-generals-transcript-of-drowned-polar-bear-researcher-being-grilled/), whose antics with polar bear sitings and attribution led Al Gore to put this famous animated video clip into An Inconvenient Truth and make wild claims about polar bears drowning for lack of sea ice:


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Monnett’s legal case is over, and he has been forced to resign:
Scientist settles legal case over study of polar bear drownings
Becky Bohrer, The Associated Press / 37 min ago

JUNEAU, Alaska — An Alaska scientist whose observations of drowned polar bears helped galvanize the global warming movement has retired as part of a settlement with a federal agency. Charles Monnett was briefly suspended in 2011 from his work with the U.S.http://feeds.nbcnews.com/c/35002/f/663299/s/346f0ec1/sc/1/mf.gif
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Under the settlement, signed in October but released by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility on Wednesday, Monnett will receive $100,000 but cannot seek Interior Department work for five years. His retirement was effective Nov. 15, at which point the agency agreed to withdraw the letter of reprimand and issue Monnett a certificate for his work on the tracking project.
Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scientist-settles-legal-case-over-study-polar-bear-drownings-2D11691760

So the message is: be a dimwit, make stuff up, and get paid for it.

No word yet on whether he’ll get to keep the cushy retirement package that Federal Employees get.

Looking further, it appears that he’ll be able to keep it.

According to the PEER Union, they claim “vindication”:
http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2013/12/04/vindicated-arctic-scientist-retires-with-cash-settlement/
Read the settlement agreement (http://www.peer.org/assets/docs/ak/12_4_13_Monnett_executed_settlement_agreement.pdf)
Revisit three-year IG investigation (http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2013/02/14/drowned-polar-bear-paper-vindicated-%E2%80%93-again/)
See the Monnett whistleblower complaint (http://www.peer.org/assets/docs/ak/1_29_13_Monnett_Whistleblower_complaint.pdf)

[Hervé]

What's that white stuff doing there?

Snow falling. In Australia. In summer. That is all
December 06, 2013 8:02AM

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The timestamp doesn't lie. Pic: Thredbo.com.au Source: Supplied

UPDATE: A day after we posted images of fresh summer snow falling across the Australian Alps, we've updated our original story with new images that show the ground getting whiter... and whiter... and whiter.

Thredbo resort in new South Wales is now in the very unusual position of desperately needing its snow to melt. Thredbo has a huge mountain bike event this weekend but the course is currently snow-covered. Hopefully, forecast warmer tempreatures will take care of things.

Meanwhile, here are one or two pics to get you going. And as mentioned, scroll through yesterday's story (below) for another updated image or two.

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Yes, that’s the correct date. The upper slopes of Thredbo this morning (Friday) Source: NewsComAu


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And THAT’S why they have orange poles. Perisher ski resort in NSW yesterday during the summer blizzard. Source: NewsComAu

THURSDAY'S STORY
THIS is just the beginning. The really cold air and the really heavy snow is due later in the day, but snow is already falling today across the high country of New South Wales and Victoria.

And yes, it's December 5. The fifth day of summer. Your calendar is not wrong.

Snow is not a freak event in southern Australia in the warmer months. A small dusting usually appears on the higher parts of the Australian Alps at least once each summer.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/12/05/1226775/968553-8714c32e-5d3a-11e3-8eb9-1c57f26bd260.jpg
’ll put a fresh pic under this one later today when more snow has fallen to show you the contrast. Source: Supplied

As promised, here's an arvo update of the pic above. Yep, that snow's still falling.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/12/05/1226776/136513-2ebbcaf8-5d60-11e3-8eb9-1c57f26bd260.jpg
The main moisture band is about to hit the mountains so be sure and check in later when we update again. Source: NewsComAu


More pictures: http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-falling-in-australia-in-summer-that-is-all/story-e6frflp0-1226775945701

[Operator]

Thanks Amzer,

I had to reread your posts because I thought what's so remarkable about snow in Austria ... :confused:
But now I see it is about Australia ! :eek: Yep, should be summer there now ... :tape2:

[Operator]

More confirmation that the Antarctic is getting colder ....

Mentioned temperatures in the article are degrees in Centigrade ...
-93 degrees Centigrade is equal to -135.4 degrees Fahrenheit.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22126227/__Zuidpool__93_graden_onder_nul__.html

http://images0.tcdn.nl/binnenland/article21249071.ece/BINARY/d/zuidpool.jpg
Foto: nwo :haha:



Lowest temperature: 93 degrees below zero
WASHINGTON -

Never has it been as cold on earth as on August 10, 2010 at the South Pole. When the temperature dropped to 93.2 degrees below zero, the U.S. space agency NASA announced Monday. Scientists have studied 32 years of satellite measurements and calculations.

The cold record was set on a high plateau in the middle of the South Pole , miles above sea level. If the summer is on the northern hemisphere, it's winter down there. In the same area in July 1983 a temperature of 89.2 degrees below zero was measured. So far that was the record.

According to NASA, it has been dozens of times been colder than in 1983. So it was on 31 July this year minus 93.0 degrees.

The plateau in the east of the South Pole anyway extremely cold because of its location, high and far from the sea. Temperatures can further go down if there are a few consecutive days with no clouds. Clouds trap heat like a blanket.

Due to the cold is produced at a given time, a layer of excessively cold air directly above the ground. Above the layer is slightly less cold air, but relative ' heat ' is stopped and can not reach the surface. In that case, the temperature may further drop to record levels. " If the air stays stationary for long, while the heat disappears in space, you get the extremely low temperatures that we could find ," explains researcher Ted Scambos.

The coldest place on earth where people live is in northeastern Siberia. There were temperatures measured of nearly 68 degrees below zero in 1892 and 1933.

The weather records are maintained by the World Meteorological Organization, the Department of the United Nations that deals with the weather. It is not yet known whether they will recognize the new record.

Translated by Google (manually corrected a bit)

[161803398]

Maybe we can all move to Iceland....that would nice.

[Hervé]

Ice and fire...

Giant Blob of Hot Rock Hidden Under Antarctic Ice (http://www.weather.com/news/science/giant-blob-hot-rock-hidden-under-antarctic-ice-20131211)

Becky Oskin, Staff Writer Published: Dec 11, 2013, 11:15 AM EST From our partners


http://s.imwx.com/dru/2013/12/36122e96-5a35-4af8-9bcd-e9d75f3f4721_650x366.jpg

Mount Sidley is the youngest volcano rising above the ice in West Antarctica's Executive Committee Range. A group of seismologists has detected new volcanic activity under the ice about 30 miles ahead of Mount Sidley. (Doug Wiens)


SAN FRANCISCO — A big, hot blob hiding beneath the bottom of the world could be evidence of a long-sought mantle plume under West Antarctica, researchers said Monday (Dec. 9) here at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

The possible hotspot — a plume of superheated rock (http://www.livescience.com/37373-mantle-plume-search-begins.html) rising from Earth's mantle — sits under Marie Byrd Land, a broad dome at West Antarctica's edge where many active volcanoes above and below the ice spit lava (http://www.livescience.com/41262-west-antarctica-new-volcano-discovered.html) and ash. The hot zone was discovered with seismic imaging techniques that rely on earthquake waves to build pictures of Earth's inner layers (http://www.livescience.com/topics/earth-s-interior/), similar to how a CT scan works. Beneath Marie Byrd Land, earthquake waves slow down, suggesting the mantle here is warmer than surrounding rocks. The strongest low-velocity zone sits below Marie Byrd Land's Executive Committee Range, directly under the Mount Sidley volcano, said Andrew Lloyd, a graduate student at Washington University in St. Louis.

"The slow velocities suggest that it's a mantle hotspot," Lloyd said. The hot zone also matches up with Marie Byrd Land's high topography and active volcanoes, Lloyd said. [WATCH LIVE: News on Earth & Mars at AGU 2013 (http://www.livescience.com/41773-agu-2013-meeting-webcasts.html)]

Mantle Plume?
Many researchers have long suspected that Marie Byrd Land sits atop a hotspot, because the region swells above the surrounding topography like the top of a warm soufflé (and it has lots of volcanoes). But with few seismometers sitting on the ice, scientists were left speculating about what lies beneath Antarctica's ice (http://www.livescience.com/21677-antarctica-facts.html).

The evidence for the new hot zone, called a thermal anomaly, comes from a massive, temporary earthquake-monitoring network called Polenet that was installed between 2010 and 2012, giving scientists an unprecedented look at Antarctica's crust and mantle. (A gravity survey conducted at the same time also suggests there is a big warm spot beneath this part of West Antarctica.)

But confirming that Marie Byrd Land is truly above a hotspot may require a return trip to Antarctica for another seismic experiment, said Doug Wiens, principal investigator on Polenet.

"What's absolutely sure is there's a big thermal anomaly, a big blob," said Wiens, a seismologist at Washington University. "What's less sure is whether that anomaly goes deeper."

The thermal anomaly extends 125 miles (200 kilometers) below Marie Byrd Land, Lloyd said. Below about 255 miles (410 km), where a mantle plume's trailing tail would also leave a hotter-than-average mark in mantle rocks, there's little evidence for a rising hotspot, said Erica Emry, a postdoctoral researcher at Pennsylvania State University.

"There's no smoking gun," Emry said. However, more work remains to be done on the Polenet data, which could reveal new clues and further refine what the mantle looks like under West Antarctica, Emry told LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet.

Antarctica's Thinnest Crust
The discovery is one of many new insights reported Monday into the geologic mysteries concealed by Antarctica's thick ice. Other findings include extremely thin crust, just 10 miles (17 km) thick, in West Antarctica's Ross embayment near the Transantarctic Mountain Range (http://www.livescience.com/30982-images-antarctic-odyssey-majestic-transantarctic-mountains.html), said Xinlei Sun, a postdoctoral researcher at Washington University. The Ross embayment is one of Antarctica's two big coastal divots; the gap is filled by the Ross Ice Shelf. Here, the crust is as thin as in the Gulf of California, where continental rifting (also called extension) is tearing Baja California from mainland Mexico and building a new ocean basin.

"This is the thinnest crust [in Antarctica] and is probably related to an extensional environment," Sun said.

On the other side of the Transantarctic Mountains lies the thick, old crust of East Antarctica, similar to the relatively stable interiors of continents such as North America and Africa. Antarctica's thickest crust is found here, beneath the Gamburtsev Mountain Range. The Gamburtsevs are spectacular Alpine peaks completely buried in ice; the crust here is about 31 miles (50 km) thick. The crust beneath Marie Byrd Land is about 15 miles (25 km) thick, Sun said.

[Hervé]

At least, if there were any geoengineering or weather modification gadgets around, 112 years ago, they weren't human technology:

For the first time in 112 years, it snows in Cairo (http://primemag.me/photos-snow-covers-areas-cairo-suez-alexandria/)
By Lama Abdel Barr (http://primemag.me/author/lama-abdel-barr/) - December, 13th 2013


In Photos: Snow Covers Areas of Cairo, Suez, and Alexandria


http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BbWkyAHCIAAsCnt.jpg



Al Shorouk City

http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-shot-2013-12-13-at-10.34.57-AM.png (http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-shot-2013-12-13-at-10.34.57-AM.png)
Photo credits: Aya El Kolaly


Madinaty

http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/3f8f4eb03c503359be3c016bafb395001.jpg (http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/3f8f4eb03c503359be3c016bafb395001.jpg)




http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/4241146b131548eadf51eefe69b7e9cf.jpg (http://primemag.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/4241146b131548eadf51eefe69b7e9cf.jpg)


More pictures at: http://primemag.me/photos-snow-covers-areas-cairo-suez-alexandria/

[Wind]

Wow, that is just incredible! I hardly can believe my eyes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbahqivIQAAQfy4.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbZxLi9CcAAdZbd.jpg

[Hervé]

http://www.sott.net/image/image/s8/160639/full/snow_sphinx.jpg

[CD7]

Just in....It is official---Hell is freezing over

[Wind]

Well, the Sphinx images are fake, but it's still impressive that it rained snow in Egypt.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cairo-snow-sphinx-picture-internet-2925810

[meat suit]

Data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft suggests there were almost 9,000 cu km of ice at the end of this year's melt season.

This is close to 50% more than in the corresponding period in 2012................


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25383373

[Hervé]

From the article linked above:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71759000/jpg/_71759601_cryosat_thickness2.jpg
The observations show clearly that more thick ice (red/yellow) has been retained this year
Jonathan.Amos-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk


__________________________________________


What's the most obvious?

[AutumnW]

Climate is changing. There are likely several different causes working synergistically. Big oil and coal would LOVE you to think you are being duped by scientists, who, by and large DO support the green house gas theory. Big nuclear lobby would LOVE you to embrace mainstream science so they can get crackin' on 'clean' nuclear energy.

I'm tired of trying to figure it all out. I'd almost rather try to gain insight about it by reading chicken entrails. But one thing is for darned sure and that is a world population that has tripled in 50 years is bound to be having a huge effect--whether it's from carbon emissions or the fart storms produced by 7 billion omnivores digesting their way to the abyss

[Hervé]

Hmmmm... what are they sensing?

Mysterious snowy-owl migration one of biggest on record (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/mysterious-snowy-owl-migration-one-of-biggest-on-record)

It's a long way from the Arctic to Bermuda, but scientists think the mass migration may have been caused by a scarcity in the owls' main sources of food.

By Douglas Main, LiveScience, Tue, Dec 17 2013 at 2:20 PM



http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/snowy-owl-flight.jpg

Photo:Tom Middleton (http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-615070p1.html)/Shutterstock


Snowy owls — large, fluffy, white birds typically found in the Arctic and rarely seen south of the Great Lakes — have swooped down upon the eastern United States (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/snowy-owls-shot-and-killed-at-jfk-airport) in greater numbers than at any time in at least 50 years, one bird expert says. The owls have been spotted as far south as Bermuda, the Carolinas and Missouri, according to news reports.

This migration of snowy owls (http://www.livescience.com/30599-harry-potter-owl-born-as-movies-series-ends.html) southward is called an irruption, and this is the "largest of its kind in recent memory," said Kevin McGowan, a bird expert at the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology at Cornell University.

Snowy owls — the same species as Hedwig, Harry Potter's fictional letter-carrying bird — are magnificent to behold, standing 3 feet (1 meter) tall and sporting a 5-foot (1.5 m) wingspan. "Snowy owls are an Arctic bird adapted to live at the top of the world, and they usually spend the winter up there," as well as the summer, McGowan told LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet. [Whooo's in There? Amazing Images of Owls (http://www.livescience.com/13885-owls-amazing-photos.html)]

Mysterious migration
But why are these birds showing up in such large numbers (http://www.livescience.com/41770-snowy-owls-make-mysterious-migration.html) in the Midwest and eastern United States? Typically, such winter migrations take place when the owls' food — mainly rodents, such as lemming — are unavailable. Although nobody knows yet why there are so many snowy owls showing up this year, it could be due to a crash in these lemming populations, or because the rodents are more difficult to hunt when there is more snow on the ground, McGowan said. In addition, more snowy owls may have been born this year compared to in other years, leading to more competition for finite food resources, he said. But scientists likely won't know for a while what factor or factors are behind the large irruption this year.

As for why they're going to the places they've been seen, scientists note that snowy owls are attracted to large, open plains like those found in the Arctic (http://www.livescience.com/topics/arctic/). "They were hatched 1,000 miles from any tree," McGowan said. For this reason, they often end up in coastal plains or at airports, where they can cause problems. This month alone, five airplanes have struck or been hit by snowy owls in the New York City region, according to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

After one of these snowy owls got sucked into a jet engine at JFK International Airport, the species was added to a list of birds that are allowed to be shot and killed, to protect planes from deadly collisions, according to news reports. At least two snowy owls were shot and killed at JFK on Dec. 7. However, after a surge of media attention, the Port Authority said on Dec. 9 that it was reversing its decision to shoot the birds, and that it would try to trap and relocate them.

Spot a snowy owl
The owls are pretty easy to trap, with a lure featuring a live mouse wherein the birds' talons become snared in thin strings, McGowan said. The birds are often quite difficult to scare away using traditional methods, such as shell crackers (which are similar to bottle rockets), he added.

For bird lovers, now is the perfect opportunity to spot snowy owls (http://www.livescience.com/41951-audubon-christmas-bird-count.html), McGowan said — he has seen 10 in the past week alone in upstate New York. Curious bird watchers can see if there have been any sightings near them using eBird.org (http://www.eBird.org), a tool developed at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. People can also report their own sightings on the site, he said.

"These are cool birds, and this is the time to see them," McGowan said. They should stick around through the end of February, he added.

[Cidersomerset]

An article on the BBC website.....

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.58.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

16 December 2013 Last updated at 08:48

Esa's Cryosat sees Arctic sea-ice volume bounce back

Science correspondent, BBC News, San Francisco

Arctic sea ice thickness - late Oct 2013
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
Satellite detects Antarctic ice loss
Arctic sea ice reaches seasonal low
Cryosat observes winter ice decline


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71777000/jpg/_71777873_cryosat_thickness_624.jpg

The bounce back in the extent of sea ice in the Arctic this summer was reflected
also in the volume of ice.

Data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft suggests there were almost 9,000 cu km of
ice at the end of this year's melt season.

This is close to 50% more than in the corresponding period in 2012.

It is a rare piece of good news for a region that has witnessed a rapid decline in
both area cover and thickness in recent years.

But scientists caution against reading too much into one year's "recovery".

"Although the recovery of Arctic sea ice is certainly welcome news, it has to be
considered against the backdrop of changes that have occurred over the last few
decades," said Prof Andy Shepherd of University College London, UK.


"It's estimated that there were around 20,000 cu km of Arctic sea ice each October
in the early 1980s, and so today's minimum still ranks among the lowest of the
past 30 years," he told BBC News.

Cryosat is the European Space Agency's (Esa) dedicated polar monitoring platform.

It has a sophisticated radar system that allows scientists to work out the thickness
of the ice floes covering the Arctic Ocean.

In the three years following its launch, the spacecraft saw a steady decline in
autumn ice volume, with a record low of 6,000 cubic km being recorded in late
October 2012.

But after a sharply colder summer this year, the autumn volume number has gone up.

Measurements taken in the same three weeks in October found the floes to contain
just shy of 9,000 cu km.

Ice breaker Thicker ice has been retained in the Arctic

Part of this stronger performance can be put down to the greater retention of older ice.

This is evident particularly around the Canadian archipelago and North Greenland,
where there is much more two-year-old and three-year-old ice than in previous
years.

"One of the things we'd noticed in our data was that the volume of ice year-to-year
was not varying anything like as much as the ice extent - at least for the years
2010, 2011 and 2012," explained Rachel Tilling from the UK's Nerc Centre for Polar
Observation and Modelling (CPOM).

"This is why we're really quite surprised by what we've seen in 2013.

"We didn't expect the greater ice extent left at the end of the summer melt to be
reflected in the volume.

"But it has been. And the reason is related to the amount of multi-year ice in the Arctic."

Dr Don Perovich is a sea-ice expert at Dartmouth College, US.

He said Cryosat's data tallied with observations made by other spacecraft.

"In previous summers, some of the [multi-year ice] migrated over to the Alaska
and Siberia areas where it melted. But this past summer, it stayed in place because
of a change in wind patterns. And so there'll likely be more multi-year ice next year
than there was this year," he told BBC News.

Continue reading the main story
Satellite altimetry: How to measure sea-ice volume

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48209000/gif/_48209615__46390440_cryosat466-1.gif

Infographic (BBC)
Cryosat's radar has the resolution to see the Arctic's floes and leads
Some 7/8 of the ice tends to sit below the waterline - the draft
The aim is to measure the freeboard - the ice part above the waterline
Knowing this 1/8th figure allows Cryosat to work out sea-ice thickness
The thickness multiplied by the area of ice cover produces a volume

The minimum ice extent in the Arctic this summer was recorded as 5.10 million sq
km. Again, this was a figure almost 50% larger than the all-time satellite-low mark
achieved 12 months previously - when floes were reduced to just 3.41 million sq
km by mid-September.

Area/extent is easier to measure, but scientists regard thickness/volume to be the
best metric with which to judge the health of the ice pack, which is why Cryosat's

unique data-set is so important.

For a while, it was uncertain whether the European satellite would get any autumn
measurements this year.

The spacecraft suffered a major fault in its onboard power system at the beginning
of October, and all science activity was halted.

But engineers managed to switch the satellite over to a back-up system and normal
operations were resumed on 11 October.

"We lost the side 'A' of the power subsystem we believe for good, although we still
have hope to be able to use part of it in the future in case we experience another
issue," said Esa Cryosat mission manager Dr Tommaso Parrinello.

"Since 2 October, we have been operating on the redundant chain, but all other
subsystems are still being operated on their prime chain 'A'. Therefore, the science
instruments and the quality of data have not been affected."

The new Cryosat study was presented here in San Francisco to the American
Geophysical Union (AGU) Fall Meeting, where the annual Arctic Report Card was released.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71759000/jpg/_71759601_cryosat_thickness2.jpg

Thickness comparison The observations show clearly that more thick ice (red/yellow) has been retained this year
Jonathan.Amos-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk and follow me on Twitter: @BBCAmos

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25383373

[TargeT]

Climate is changing. There are likely several different causes working synergistically. Big oil and coal would LOVE you to think you are being duped by scientists, who, by and large DO support the green house gas theory. Big nuclear lobby would LOVE you to embrace mainstream science so they can get crackin' on 'clean' nuclear energy.

I'm tired of trying to figure it all out. I'd almost rather try to gain insight about it by reading chicken entrails. But one thing is for darned sure and that is a world population that has tripled in 50 years is bound to be having a huge effect--whether it's from carbon emissions or the fart storms produced by 7 billion omnivores digesting their way to the abyss

please explain the green house gas theory in your words... to me it's complete nonsense (and big oil WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE IT, they are behind ALL the "green" energy movement stuff... because it's so in-efficient that they cash out BIG TIME, especially since the governments subsidize them so heavily, it's basically corporate welfare... attitudes like yours are exactly what is desired)

PROBLEM

REACTION

SOLUTION

the Hegelian dialectic is at play here.

[Hervé]

An article on the BBC website.....

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.58.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

16 December 2013 Last updated at 08:48

[...]

Hi Cider,

... to re-iterate:


From the article linked above:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71759000/jpg/_71759601_cryosat_thickness2.jpg
The observations show clearly that more thick ice (red/yellow) has been retained this year
Jonathan.Amos-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk


__________________________________________


What's the most obvious?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

carbon emissions or the fart storms produced by 7 billion omnivores digesting their way to the abyss

Ok I'll bite, all those omnivores should produce enough methane to start a couple of 100 million cooking fires a day, how do we catch it without living in a bubble.

f_LwxqFrIkw

[Hervé]

Although still under the "Global Warming/Climate Change" programming, this guy is starting to seriously wonder what the heck is happening!


Intense storms stump FMI chief meteorologist (http://yle.fi/uutiset/intense_storms_stump_fmi_chief_meteorologist/6985103)

Director of the Finnish Meteorological Institute Mikko Alestalo says that storms in Finland seem to have intensified recently. Alestalo is also perplexed by southern Finland’s four successive white winters.


http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article6983605.ece/ALTERNATES/w580/13.12.+Seija-myrsky+puu+kaatunut+pirstaleina+kuusi+Helsinki.jpg (http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article6983605.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/13.12.+Seija-myrsky+puu+kaatunut+pirstaleina+kuusi+Helsinki.jpg)


Like her predecessors, Seija's furiously gusting winds caused widespread damage on land. Image: Jyrki Lyytikkä / Yle


Chief of the Finnish Meteorological Institute FMI, Mikko Alestalo said that the frequency of storms can vary from year to year or even between decades. However he said that storms seem to have become more powerful.



“Climate change is adding certain new elements to these changes. Our climate is warmer, the atmosphere is moister and because of this low pressure systems will clearly become more powerful and will store more energy,” Alestalo told Yle.

Gusting winds are more common and according to Alestalo, are inflicting damage on land.

Moreover, the meteorologist noted that the last four Finnish winters have dumped massive amounts of snow on the south.

“It shouldn’t be like that four years in a row. We were somewhat puzzled and wondered whether it was caused by a melt in the Arctic Ocean, which is affecting larger weather patterns here in northern Europe and could be behind these kinds of unusual winters,” Alestalo added.

According to the head weather watcher a warmer climate means that warm air and moisture feed more energy into storm systems.

“Winds become more violent and in warm weather it’s easier for the gusts to make landfall, cutting down trees and ripping off roofs as they pass,” Alestalo explained.

Finland has experienced a number of intense winter storms in recent years: in 2011, the so-called Tapaninpäivä storm (Boxing Day storm) claimed one life and caused widespread damage; in 2012 winter storm Antti blasted across the country in November also wreaking havoc; so far this year, the country has weathered three storms, Eino, Oskari and Seija, each exceeding the previous one in intensity.

Sources Yle

[Operator]

Well, I am in the Caribbean (tropics) and I can confirm from this location that something is changing.

During the (northern hemisphere) winter months the nights seem to be much cooler/colder than before.
I have no measurements to prove it ... but at dawn it can be really chilly (very noticeable).

A phenomenon of, say, last 2 .. 3 years.

[TargeT]

Well, I am in the Caribbean (tropics) and I can confirm from this location that something is changing.

During the (northern hemisphere) winter months the nights seem to be much cooler/colder than before.
I have no measurements to prove it ... but at dawn it can be really chilly (very noticeable).

A phenomenon of, say, last 2 .. 3 years.

how about all the freaking rain lately? I have water features in my yard!!

and if this is chilly... well, I guess I still have some acclimating todo, haha. day time temps are still in the mid 80's though nights do drop to high 70's and with this humidity it can be a touch chilly.. I had to turn my fan on low lastnight :P

[Operator]

how about all the freaking rain lately? I have water features in my yard!!

Not more rain than usual here ... perhaps even less.



and if this is chilly... well, I guess I still have some acclimating todo, haha.


Maybe, I am here almost 10 years now ... But I've been back to the Netherlands frequently and even to Canada
last winter. So I still know what 'cold' means.



day time temps are still in the mid 80's though nights do drop to high 70's and with this humidity it can be a touch chilly.. I had to turn my fan on low lastnight :P


Daytime temps here are 92F/33C and evening used to be 80F/27C ... but after a few hours of cooling the temperature drops
further to 72F/22C which is unusual. I sleep without fan or airco. Just with an open window. Even a sheet is already too
warm when falling asleep. But it is very chilly to wake up without one ... So, you're right, nothing to complain here but the
difference when waking up is significant :cool:

[Hervé]

NASA proudly exhibiting its nickname: Never A Straight Answer

Thirteen Years Of NASA Data Tampering – In Six Seconds (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/thirteen-years-of-nasa-data-tampering-in-six-seconds/)

Posted on December 21, 2013 (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/thirteen-years-of-nasa-data-tampering-in-six-seconds/) by stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/author/stevengoddard/)


http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/gissustampering1999-20132.gif?w=640 (http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/gissustampering1999-20132.gif)


1999 version : www.giss.nasa.gov/data/update/gistemp/graphs/FigD.txt (http://www.john-daly.com/usatemps.006)

2001 version : www.giss.nasa.gov/data/update/gistemp/graphs/FigD.txt (http://web.archive.org/web/20010507091402/http://www.giss.nasa.gov/data/update/gistemp/graphs/FigD.txt)

2012 version : data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.txt (http://web.archive.org/web/20120426122547/http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.txt)

2013 version : data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.txt (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.txt)

The animation above shows four versions of GISS 1930-1999 US temperatures – from 1999, 2001, 2012, and 2013. NASA has repeatedly tampered* with the data to hide the decline in US temperatures since the 1930′s. Each successive alteration makes the past cooler and the present warmer.

Earlier versions showed even more of a decline, but I can’t locate digital data for them.

*Mosher says these adjustments are all first rate science.


Check http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/thirteen-years-of-nasa-data-tampering-in-six-seconds/ for the comments on "Mosher."

[Hervé]

Not To Be Outdone By NASA In The Data Tampering Department …. (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/not-to-be-outdone-by-nasa-in-the-data-tampering-department/)
Posted on December 21, 2013 (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/not-to-be-outdone-by-nasa-in-the-data-tampering-department/) by stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/author/stevengoddard/)

Cooling the past is fun, so why not lower past sea levels too?
The EU’s Envisat satellite used to agree with tide gauges that there isn’t a lot of sea level rise going on.


http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/msl_serie_en_global_ib_rwt_nogia_adjust-1.gif?w=500&h=302 (http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/msl_serie_en_global_ib_rwt_nogia_adjust-1.gif)


MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.gif (500×302) (http://web.archive.org/web/20111025141147/http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.gif)




But that just wouldn’t do anything to scare people, so one night they simply quadrupled sea level rise.


http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/msl_serie_en_global_ib_rwt_nogia_adjust.gif?w=500&h=308 (http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/msl_serie_en_global_ib_rwt_nogia_adjust.gif)


MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.gif (500×308) (http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_EN_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.gif)



The graph below shows how they lowered past sea level, and raised recent sea level to create the EU mandated scary appearance of sea level rising.

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/screenhunter_538-dec-21-15-40.jpg?w=640&h=303 (http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/screenhunter_538-dec-21-15-40.jpg)

[Hervé]

To summarize:

The top seven global warming alarmist setbacks in 2013 (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/20/the-top-seven-global-warming-alarmist-setbacks-in-2013/)

1:45 PM 12/20/2013 Michael Bastasch

Hold your champagne glasses high this holiday season, because the end of 2013 marks the 17th year without global warming.

This year has been trying for climate scientists and environmentalists who have been trying hard to explain away the 17-year hiatus in global warming and link “extreme weather” to rising greenhouse gas emissions — despite strong evidence to the contrary. There has been a breakdown in the manmade global warming consensus, and some even argue we are headed for an ice age.

In honor of the 17th year without global warming, The Daily Caller News Foundation has put together seven setbacks for global warming alarmism.

1) Studies show that the world was warmer than it is today during the Roman Empire (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/13/study-earth-was-warmer-in-roman-medieval-times/) and when the Vikings were plundering Europe and North America. In fact, even in the 19th Century, there were discussions surrounding the fact that the Vikings could settle the northernmost reaches (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/18/vikings-could-navigate-colonize-the-arctic-during-medieval-times/) of Greenland and North America because there was less ice coverage.

2) During the second week in December, the U.S. saw more than 2000 record low temperatures and record snowfalls, according (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/13/winter-wonderland-more-than-2000-us-cold-and-snowfall-records-set-this-week/) to the National Weather Service and HamWeather records center. There were 606 record low temperatures, 1,234 low maximum temperatures and 285 record snowfalls across the country. In the meantime there were only 98 high temperature records and 141 high minimum temperature records.

3) Satellite data shows that the polar bears have at least one reason to be happy this year – Arctic sea ice coverage was up 50 percent (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/global-warming-satellite-data-shows-arctic-sea-ice-coverage-up-50-percent/) over last year’s record low coverage. Contrary to Al Gore’s prediction that there would be no polar ice cap by this year, sea ice coverage spanned nearly 2,100 cubic miles by the end of this year’s melting season, up from about 1,400 cubic last year.

4) Global cooling is on the way (http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/05/report-scientists-predict-a-century-of-global-cooling/), according to an increasing number of scientists. German scientists have predicted that based on declining sunspot activity and natural climate oscillation the world will cool over the next century. Temperatures will eventually drop to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

5) Other scientists have also been coming around (http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/01/is-global-cooling-the-new-scientific-consensus/) to the global cooling side of things. The BBC reported that Professor Mike Lockwood of the Reading University predicts that at the current rate of decline in solar activity, another “Little Ice Age” could envelope Northern Europe.

6) The United Nations climate bureaucracy’s latest global warming report was called “hilarious” by a leading scientist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/29/top-mit-scientist-un-climate-report-is-hilariously-flawed/). Dr. Richard Lindzen said the UN’s report “has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence” because they continue to proclaim with ever greater certainty that mankind is causing global warming, despite their models continually being wrong.

“Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean,” Lindzen said. “However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans.”

7) The Senate testimony of Dr. Roger Pielke of the University of Colorado (http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/18/scientist-tells-senators-global-warming-not-causing-extreme-weather/) completely undercut environmentalists and Democrats trying to claim that global warming was causing “extreme weather.”

“It is misleading and just plain incorrect to claim that disasters associated with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods or droughts have increased on climate timescales either in the United States or globally,” Pielke said. “It is further incorrect to associate the increasing costs of disasters with the emission of greenhouse gases.”

The other witnesses on the panel did not refute Pielke’s data.*


_________________________________



* That means they couldn't due to lack of countering, irrefutable data.

[Hervé]

Well...

... now, it's freezing at both ends AT THE SAME TIME!

Russian passenger ship trapped in Antarctic ice

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On December 25, 2013 · 1 Comment (http://iceagenow.info/2013/12/russian-passenger-ship-trapped-antarctic-ice/#comments)


Remember! It’s summer down there!

The MV Akademik Shokalskiy, a 71-meter-long Russian-flagged with 74 people aboard including 52 explorers and tourists, is trapped in the ice approximately 1500 nautical miles south of Hobart, according to a media release from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA)


http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MV-Akademik-Shokalskiy-Location-25Dec13.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MV-Akademik-Shokalskiy-Location-25Dec13.jpg)

MV Akademik Shokalskiy Location 25Dec13 (AMSA)


AMSA’s Rescue Coordination Centre Australia (RCC Australia) was contacted by the Falmouth Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre in the UK on Christmas morning.

The ship is trapped in the ice 100 nautical miles east of the French base Dumont D’Urville.

RCC Australia issued a broadcast to icebreaking vessels in the area.

Three ships with icebreaking capability have responded, including the Australian Antarctic Division (AAD) vessel Aurora Australis, and are now enroute to the area.

The closest vessels are at least two days sailing time away.

Those on board the ship, which left New Zealand late last month, include explorers, scientists and tourists, as well as crew.

The voyage was planned as part of an expedition to mark the centenary of explorer Douglas Mawson’s (http://www.spiritofmawson.com/) trip and to get the chance to see Mawson’s Huts which have been inaccessible for some time because of an iceberg.

The ship full of tourists, explorers and scientists was sailing in Antarctica on a voyage from New Zealand, when it got stuck in the ice.

Despite the vessel being the Finnish-built ice-strengthened, MV Akademik Shokalskiy, it can’t move.

Further updates will be provided when more information is available.

Blizzard could play havoc: AMSA (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-26/antarctic-rescue-could-be-hampered-by-blizzard/5174964)
AMSA’s Andrea Hayward-Maher says the search-and-rescue operation will be difficult.

“It’s quite windy and there could be some sort of blizzard conditions,” she said.

“Weather conditions, if they become difficult, could hinder the options that we have.

“But hopefully those ice breaking vessels will be able to get there as soon as they possibly can to render assistance.”

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/25122013AkademikShokalskiyUpdate1_Media_Release.pd (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/25122013AkademikShokalskiyUpdate1_Media_Release.pdf)

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/25/22046511-russian-ship-frozen-in-remote-antarctic-not-your-everyday-search-and-rescue?lite=

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-25/antarctic-travellers-stranded-in-ice-off-hobart/5174828

http://www.sott.net/article/270821-Antarctic-expedition-scientists-trapped-in-ice

http://www.smh.com.au/national/antarctic-tourist-ship-trapped-by-sea-ice-20131225-2zwjr.html

http://rt.com/news/antarctic-ship-trapped-ice-778/

https://twitter.com/AMSA_News

Thanks to Mervyn Leavesley, Craig Adkins, Oz Steamer, Allan Cotterill, Rosco Mac, Aubrey Smyth and Amit Naik for these links
Two things to note, says Oz:

#1. It’s Summer…. the sea ice is supposed to be at a minimum, both in extent and also thickness;

#2. The publication (the Sydney Morning Herald) is usually rabidly Warmist. It usually doesn’t publish anything that might even hint at contradicting the theory of Global Warming.

“I don’t think these people will be having a Merry Christmas,” says Mervyn. “Antarctic ice strikes back!”

[Hervé]

China icebreaker fails to reach stuck Antarctic ship (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25523952)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71955000/jpg/_71955808_8co-leaderchrisfogwilltakingabreak-creditandrewpeacock.jpg
Chris Fogwill and the team are retracing the steps of Douglas Mawson a century ago

A scientific mission ship, trapped in dense pack ice off East Antarctica, is still awaiting rescue after a Chinese icebreaker failed to reach it.

The Snow Dragon icebreaker was itself stalled by heavy ice, officials say.

It had been trying to cut a path through the ice in order to help the research vessel reach open water.

The Russian Academic Shokalskiy, which has been trapped since Christmas Day, has 74 on board and is being used by the Australasian Antarctic Expedition.

They are following the route explorer Douglas Mawson travelled a century ago.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71977000/jpg/_71977151_71977150.jpg
Professor Chris Turney said the Chinese icebreaker had itself had trouble with the ice
'Too thick'

One of the leaders of the expedition, Chris Turney, earlier tweeted an image of the Snow Dragon icebreaker (https://twitter.com/ProfChrisTurney/status/416479520279891969) - also known as the Xue Long - on the horizon as it approached the research ship.

The Chinese vessel came within seven nautical miles (11 km) of the expedition ship, but encountered heavy ice and was forced to return to the open sea.

"Our rescue boat, the Xue Long, has had to turn back because the ice was too thick for it to get through," said Alok Jha, (https://twitter.com/alokjha/status/416659779818225664) a journalist on board the Shokalskiy.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71975000/jpg/_71975706_020448570-1.jpg
The Shokalskiy was trapped by thick sheets of ice driven by high winds

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71977000/jpg/_71977063_hi020448564.jpg
People are seen standing on the ice next to the vessel

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71977000/jpg/_71977065_hi020448562.jpg
An Australian rescue boat is not expected to reach the Russian expedition until Sunday

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority, which is coordinating the rescue, confirmed that a French vessel had also failed to penetrate the ice.

The agency said another boat, the Aurora Australis, was on its way to the Russian vessel and expected to arrive on Sunday.

"I think we're probably looking at another 24 hours of twiddling our fingers and waiting for something to happen," expedition spokesman Alvin Stone told the Associated Press.

Correspondents say expedition members could be winched to safety by a helicopter if the weather remains favourable.

The research ship Shokalskiy was trapped by thick sheets of ice, driven by strong winds, about 1,500 nautical miles south of Hobart - the capital of the Australian state of Tasmania.

There had also been fears that blizzards could hamper the rescue effort.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71980000/jpg/_71980657_icebergandpackfromshipearlymorning.jpg
The crew aboard the Shokalskiy are surrounded by awe-inspiring views

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71980000/jpg/_71980651_adeliepenguinsnexttoship.jpg
And they have some curious neighbours

The Shokalskiy is well stocked with food and is in no danger, according to the team.

Although trapped for the moment, the scientists are continuing their experiments. They have been measuring temperature and salinity through cracks in the surrounding ice.

Science volunteer Sean Borkovic told the BBC: "I'll always remember this, that's for sure. It's brilliant. We've got some lovely light and the weather's pretty mild considering. The ship looks solid. I think we'll be good."

A visit from Secret Santa and a sumptuous Christmas dinner (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25519059) contributed to the mood of optimism.

The goal of the modern day Australasian Antarctic Expedition is to repeat many of the original measurements and studies of the Mawson expedition to see how facets of the environment have changed over the past century.



Comment (from SOTT.net editors):
The expedition is being led by Chris Turney, "climate scientist", who has "set up a carbon refining company called Carbonscape which has developed technology to fix carbon from the atmosphere and make a host of green bi-products, helping reduce greenhouse gas levels." The purpose of the expedition is "to discover and communicate the environmental changes taking place in the south."

As Anthony Watts remarks, Antarctic Sea Ice is more than 2 standard deviations above normal:

http://www.sott.net/image/image/s8/162704/large/s_timeseries1.png (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s8/162704/full/s_timeseries1.png)© NSIDC



Will the good climate change professor, Chris Turney take note of the "environmental changes taking place in the south", or will he go home and seek comfort in the climate change models based on the GIGO principle (Garbage In, Garbage Out), that predict the melting of the polar regions?

[Hervé]

Only at the South Pole: Icebreaker also stuck -- in ice -- heading for stranded ship (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/27/world/antarctica-ship-stuck/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)

By Michael Martinez. Holly Yan and Kevin Wang, CNN
December 28, 2013 -- Updated 0239 GMT (1039 HKT)

(http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/12/28/erin-sunlen-icebreaker-antarctica.cnn.html)http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/131227201852-erin-sunlen-icebreaker-antarctica-00001209-story-top.jpg
Icebreaker gets stuck; rescue stalled

STORY HIGHLIGHTS


NEW: Rescue efforts are at a frozen standstill just like stranded ship
Chinese icebreaker expected to arrive first but has been stopped by ice and storm
The stranded research vessel is carrying tourists and scientists studying climate change
The 74 people aboard had a "great Christmas" while at a frozen standstill, leader says

(CNN) -- South Pole weather has stymied a rescue by a Chinese icebreaker trying to reach an expedition vessel trapped for the past four days in frozen seas, a ship officer told CNN Friday.

The Chinese icebreaker Xue Long, or Snow Dragon, was just six nautical miles away from the rescue, but now it's stuck in an Antarctica ice floe, too.

The Chinese crew is hoping a French icebreaker 14 nautical miles away will arrive and offer relief, said Zhu Li, chief officer of the Chinese ship.

But it's likely the French vessel Astrolabe will also be slowed by the polar cap's extreme frigidity, Zhu said.

Those two icebreakers -- plus a third, from Australia -- were battling the planet's coldest environment in trying to reach the stranded Russian ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy, whose 74 researchers, crew and tourists remained in good condition despite being at a frozen standstill since Monday.

Full article: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/27/world/antarctica-ship-stuck/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

[Hervé]

Antarctic sea ice demolishing old records (http://iceagenow.info/2014/04/antarctic-sea-ice-demolishing-records/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On April 17, 2014 · 7 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2014/04/antarctic-sea-ice-demolishing-records/#comments)

Setting new all-time daily records Antarctic sea ice continues to grow at an alarming rate, says reader Chris Beal.

It’s now 1,636,000 sq km above average, and continues to set new all-time daily records.

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Antarctic-Sea-Ice-12Apr14.png (http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Antarctic-Sea-Ice-12Apr14.png)
The amount of Sea Ice for this Day/Days has never before been seen in Satellite History Records.

https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/455878648424169472/photo/1

Sea Ice Update April 12 2014 – Global Sea Ice Over 1,158,000 sq km Above Normal! Antarctic Is Demolishing Old Records!

http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/sea-ice-update-april-12-2014-global-sea-ice-over-1158000-sq-km-above-normal/

Chris Beal

[Hervé]

April 28 Antarctic Sea Ice Area Anomaly 50% Above The Previous Record (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/april-28-antarctic-sea-ice-area-anomaly-50-above-the-previous-record/)

Posted on May 1, 2014 (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/april-28-antarctic-sea-ice-area-anomaly-50-above-the-previous-record/)
by stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/author/stevengoddard/)


Antarctic sea ice has been growing rapidly over the last 30 years, because Antarctica is getting colder.



http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/screenhunter_89-may-01-06-39.gif?w=640 (http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/screenhunter_89-may-01-06-39.gif)
(http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008)

(http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008)
arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008 (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008)

[TargeT]

I vote we change the title of this thread.... haha


sure seems like ice is increasing all over; maybe the progression going to be something like

Global Warming > Climate change > Global Cooling

[Hervé]

I guess it was one of those Bill's tongue-in-cheek title pointing at the obvious, like, when it's winter at one pole, it's summer at the other... :)

However, with more and more people looking at actual records... something weird is actually happening...

[ThePythonicCow]

sure seems like ice is increasing all over; maybe the progression going to be something like

Global Warming > Climate change > Global Cooling

It's probably cyclic:

Global Warming > Climate change > Global Cooling > Climate change > Global Warming ...

[Hervé]

Antarctica, is it melting or not? Man-made global warming can't explain this climate paradox (http://www.sott.net/article/279216-Antarctica-is-it-melting-or-not-Man-made-global-warming-cant-explain-this-climate-paradox#)

Aeneas Georg
Sott.net (http://www.sott.net/article/279216-Antarctica-is-it-melting-or-not-Man-made-global-warming-cant-explain-this-climate-paradox#), Thu, 15 May 2014 08:34 CDT

In the last week or so a number of articles have surfaced concerning scientific observations made in Antarctica. When comparing these articles, it's hard to not be a little puzzled as to what is going on. One even gets the impression that climate scientists don't talk much to each other but rather stay within their own specific field of research. Before we examine these articles, let's take a quick look at Antarctica. According to Wikipedia:
At 14.0 million km2 (5.4 million sq mi), it is the fifth-largest continent in area after Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia), Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America), and South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America). For comparison, Antarctica is nearly twice the size of Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia).

About 98% of Antarctica is covered by the Antarctic ice sheet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet), a sheet of ice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_sheet) averaging at least 1.6 km (1.0 mi) thick. The continent has about 90% of the world's ice (and thereby about 70% of the world's fresh water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_water)). Furthermore the Antarctic ice sheet is divided into the West Antarctic ice sheet (WAIS) and the East Antarctic ice sheet (EAIS), something which is often missed in the mainstream media, where promoting the man-made global warming idea is all-important. Here is an image of Antarctica:



http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185778/large/600px_Antarctica_svg.png (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185778/full/600px_Antarctica_svg.png)
© Wikipedia


I couldn't find the exact percentage but as we can see, the WAIS is by far the smaller of the two ice sheets, accounting for no more than 20%. There are important differences between the two ice sheets. From Wikipedia again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet):
In East Antarctica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Antarctica), the ice sheet rests on a major land mass, but in West Antarctica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctica) the bed can extend to more than 2,500 meters below sea level. Much of the land in this area would be seabed if the ice sheet were not there. Earlier this week a report claimed: Antarctica's ice melt is unstoppable (http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_13/Antarctic-ice-melt-unstoppable-survey-9009/):
Massive regions of the ice sheet that makes up West Antarctica have begun collapsing in a process that scientists have worried about for decades and fear is likely unstoppable, two separate teams of scientists said on Monday. A Guardian headline specified that Western Antarctic ice sheet collapse has already begun, scientists warn (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/may/12/western-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse-has-already-begun-scientists-warn), with the subheading, "Two separate studies confirm loss of ice sheet is inevitable, and will cause up to 4 meters of additional sea-level rise."
The collapse of the Western Antarctica ice sheet is already under way and is unstoppable, two separate teams of scientists said on Monday.

The glaciers' retreat is being driven by climate change and is already causing sea-level rise at a much faster rate than scientists had anticipated.

The loss of the entire western Antarctica ice sheet could eventually cause up to 4 metres (13ft) of sea-level rise, devastating low-lying and coastal areas around the world. But the researchers said that even though such a rise could not be stopped, it is still several centuries off, and potentially up to 1,000 years away. Making predictions and statements about something being "unstoppable", and sea level rises hundreds of years - if not thousand of years - into the future, is seems to be a little unscientific and more akin to saying what elicits the most institutional grants wishful crystal-gazing, especially given the fact that the current events are little understood.

WAIS may be melting, but the Guardian goes on to report that the larger EAIS is growing at a rate of about 60 gigatons per year:
A more recent estimate published in November 2012 and based on the GRACE data, as well as on an improved glacial isostatic adjustment model, indicates that the East Antarctica actually gained mass from 2002 to 2010 at a rate of 60 ± 13 Gt/y. A separate report in the news a few days ago concerned record sea ice around Antarctica. So these are two different phenomena different teams of scientists are monitoring: ice levels on Antarctica (East vs West), and sea ice extent around Antarctica.

The two are most likely connected, something which the scientists appear reluctant to discuss because man-made global warming dictates that we see just melting ice.

According to this May 12th article (http://www.sott.net/article/278988-Antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels-for-April-and-it-continues-in-May) in The Australian:
Antarctic sea ice has expanded to record levels for April, increasing by more than 110,000sq km a day last month to nine million square kilometres.
http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185625/large/846806_ef5dc9ae_d908_11e3_8693.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185625/full/846806_ef5dc9ae_d908_11e3_8693.jpg)
© National Snow and Ice Data Center


The National Snow and Ice Data Centre said the rapid expansion had continued into May and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record "by a significant margin''.

"This exceeds the past record for the satellite era by about 320,000sq km, which was set in April 2008,'' the centre said.  In other words, Antarctic sea ice is growing and has been above the long term average for some time. Have a look at today's status: (http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/)


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185785/large/seaice_anomaly_antarctic.png (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185785/full/seaice_anomaly_antarctic.png)
© University of Illinois


Antarctic sea ice has now been significantly above the satellite average level for 16 consecutive months.

What's clear is that there are no signs that Antarctica is 'melting' as a whole. That doesn't mean the studies cited above regarding melting of West Antarctica's ice sheets are bogus; just perhaps that too much effort has gone into 'fitting the facts around the policy'... When one only has a hammer, everything looks like a nail, as the saying goes.

So what can explain this paradox between observations in East and West Antarctica?

As mentioned earlier, with respect to WAIS, " the bed can extend to more than 2,500 m below sea level". As such it would also be vulnerable to what goes on in the depths. Wikipedia again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet):
In contrast to the melting of the Arctic sea ice, sea ice around Antarctica has expanded in recent years. The reasons for this are not fully understood, but suggestions include the climatic effects on ocean and atmospheric circulation of the ozone hole, and/or cooler ocean surface temperatures as the warming deep waters melt the ice shelves. Now this last bit is interesting. It has been observed that deeper layers of the oceans have been warming in recent years (http://news.discovery.com/earth/oceans/deep-oceans-warming-at-alarming-rate-130711.htm). The IPCC has explained away the 'pause in global warming' with the idea that all the heat in the atmosphere that 'should' have warmed our little planet has 'pulled a fast one' by hiding in the deep oceans. Not only that, but in the course of doing that, this 'model-predicted atmospheric heat' cooled the top layers of the oceans on its way down. No mean feat!

An announcement made a few days ago is, I think, key to explaining what's really going on here. Yet another team of Antarctic researchers warned that an active volcano is threatening to erupt underneath the ice (http://www.sott.net/article/278951-Active-volcano-could-erupt-underneath-ice-in-Antarctica) in West Antarctica:
Scientists had intended to use the seismograph machines to help in their efforts to weigh the ice sheet - only to find that a volcano was in fact forming underneath the ice.


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185511/large/article_2625583_1DC0AEF7000005.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185511/full/article_2625583_1DC0AEF7000005.jpg)

Although an eruption would be unlikely to breach the ice - the accompanying heat could have an effect on the landscape

Volcanic activity was discovered around 30 miles from Antarctica's highest volcano, Mount Sidley, and although an eruption would be unlikely to breach the ice - the accompanying heat could have an effect on the landscape.

Even a sub-glacial eruption would still be able to melt ice, creating huge amounts of water which could flow beneath the ice and towards the sea - hastening the flow of the overlying ice and potentially speeding up the rate of ice sheet loss.


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185512/large/article_2625583_1DC03DC1000005.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185512/full/article_2625583_1DC03DC1000005.jpg)

Volcanic activity was discovered around 30 miles from Antarctica's highest volcano, Mount Sidley

"Numerous volcanoes exist in Marie Byrd Land, a highland region of West Antarctica," said Amanda Lough, of Washington University in St Louis in the team's paper on the subject, published in the Nature Geoscience journal. And this isn't the only active volcanic region under West Antarctica: another research team discovered a different active volcano in 2004 (http://www.sott.net/article/244640-Underwater-Volcanism-Antarctic-ice-melting-from-below). The authors of the Mount Sidley report frame underwater volcanoes in terms of 'compounding the effect of global warming', but what if they are the only , or most significant, reason for melting ice in West Antarctica?

One other piece of data concerning Antarctica has been in the news (http://www.sott.net/article/278965-Climate-change-increasing-rapidly-Southern-Ocean-wind-blows-hardest-in-1000-years) in the last few days. This time it concerns the Southern Winds:
"The Southern Ocean winds are now stronger than at any other time in the past 1,000 years," said the study's lead researcher Nerilie Abram of an ocean notorious for having some of the fiercest winds and largest waves on the planet.

"The strengthening of these winds has been particularly prominent over the past 70 years, and by combining our observations with climate models we can clearly link this to rising greenhouse gas levels."

The new research, which was published in the Nature Climate Change journal, explains why Antarctica is not warming as much as other continents.

The westerly winds, which do not touch the eastern parts of Antarctica but circle in the ocean around it, were trapping more of the cold air over the area as they strengthened, with the world's southernmost continent "stealing more of Australia's rainfall", Abram said.

"This is why Antarctica has bucked the trend. Every other continent is warming, and the Arctic is warming fastest of anywhere on earth," she said. It's not just Antarctica bucking the trend, but the whole globe. In the last 17 years there has been no 'global warming'. As IPCC lead author Kevin Trenberth said: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't."

Yes, it is a travesty! Climate models are only as good as the assumptions they're based on. The authors of climate papers are trained to frame everything in terms of one factor: a carbon dioxide increase they attribute to human activity, which obscures awareness of being part of a much larger system that surely has multiple influences acting on the planet's complex climate.

Take this recent discovery (http://www.sott.net/article/278005-Spooky-atmospheric-teleconnections-link-North-and-South-Poles), for example. Scientists were 'spooked' to learn that apparently simultaneous weather effects take place at both poles, the result (they think) of upper atmosphere 'teleconnections'. Noctilucent cloud intensity at the poles, it seems, is a precursor to changes in global weather patterns (http://www.sott.net/article/277411-Scientists-discover-noctilucent-cloud-intensity-is-precursor-to-changes-in-global-weather-patterns).


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/186284/large/Noctilucent_Clouds_Shinning_Br.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/186284/full/Noctilucent_Clouds_Shinning_Br.jpg)
© NASA AIM

NASA Aeronomy of Ice in the Mesosphere (AIM) satellite image of Antarctica, showing night-shining (noctilucent) developing earlier than usual in 2013.

This discovery, in turn, was founded on the discovery a couple of years ago that one of the principal ingredients for noctilucent clouds is 'meteor smoke' from meteors entering Earth's atmosphere (http://www.sott.net/article/271033-Increased-levels-of-meteor-smoke-in-upper-atmosphere-sees-noctilucent-clouds-cover-whole-of-Antarctica). Knowing that both noctilucent clouds and meteor fireballs are increasing in intensity and frequency (http://www.sott.net/article/271892-2013-saw-a-dramatic-increase-in-meteor-fireballs-What-does-2014-have-in-store), the way is open for scientists to connect the 'planet-wide-climate-change-dots' between the weak current solar cycle (http://www.sott.net/article/267338-Current-sunspot-cycle-weakest-in-190-years), loading of the atmosphere with meteor smoke a.k.a. comet dust, volcanoes erupting all over the place (http://www.sott.net/article/273277-19-more-volcanoes-in-Indonesia-raised-to-alert-level-status), and more earthquakes than ever before (http://www.sott.net/article/278400-Time-lapse-reveals-planet-as-it-was-rocked-by-record-breaking-earthquakes-in-April-2014).

Could human activity be responsible for all this? Perhaps, but if it is true that we collectively play a key role, then it is in a far more fundamental way than runaway greenhouse gas by-products of our modern lifestyles. An upcoming book by SOTT.net Editor Pierre Lescaudron - Earth Changes and the Human-Cosmic Connection - explores the strong correlation between periods of authoritarian oppression and catastrophic, cosmically-induced natural disasters, reconciling modern science with ancient understanding that the human mind and states of collective human experience can influence cosmic and earthly phenomena.

Comment: See also:

Volcanic eruptions, rising CO2, boiling oceans, and why man-made global warming is not even wrong (http://www.sott.net/article/269256-Volcanic-eruptions-rising-CO2-boiling-oceans-and-why-man-made-global-warming-is-not-even-wrong#)

[Wind]

Amzer, have you seen this video? It's good.

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[Hervé]

Indeed, a good video!

[Bill Ryan]

Amzer, have you seen this video? It's good.

5c4XPVPJwBY

Yes, many thanks -- I happened to watch this last week, and it's excellent. :)

[Cidersomerset]

Actually I posted this on another thread earlier...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71521-Air-Force-Admits-Weather-Control-via-HAARP-and-are-moving-on-to-New-Tech-to-managr-Ionosphere....



Which leads to another article, I'l have to find somewhere to post....

'Whether the weather is a scam ?'




Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for publication in
respected journal because it was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause, claims
professor

Friday 16th May 2014 at 06:56 By David Icke


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‘A scientific study which suggests global warming has been exaggerated was
rejected by a respected journal because it might fuel climate scepticism, it was
claimed last night.

The alarming intervention, which raises fears of ‘McCarthyist’ pressure for
environmental scientists to conform, came after a reviewer said the research
was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause.

Professor Lennart Bengtsson, a research fellow at the University of Reading and one
of five authors of the study, said he suspected that intolerance of dissenting views
on climate science was preventing his paper from being published.’

Read more: Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for
publication in respected journal because it was 'less than helpful' to the climate
cause, claims professor

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630023/Study-suggesting-global-warming-exaggerated-rejected-publication-respected-journal-helpful-climate-cause-claims-professor.html
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Why Global Warming Failed

Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 05:12 By David Icke

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Published on 12 May 2014


CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY REAL - BUT THE OFFICIALS HAVE JEOPARDIZED OUR ABILITY TO PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE
Global warming models/predictions have been an abject failure for 20 years, and yet the IPCC claims ever-higher certainty?

How does this happen and what comes next?

All papers and charts are publicly available information, or you send us an email
and we will forward the source/citation for any information. Most of the citations
can already be found at the Links button at our website, under the Counterstrike Links.

Our Websites:
http://www.suspicious0bservers.org
http://www.ObservatoryProject.com

[Cidersomerset]

From Global warming in the 70's-90's to climate change from the 2000's
this has been a great cash cow for those involved, in grants and scams....

The common theme on all these conspiracy verses scientific facts seems to depend
on whether the scientists want their pay cheques or not.....LOL

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Weather Channel Founder DESTROYS Global Warming Mythology - John Coleman

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Published on 27 Mar 2014


Is Global Warming really happening? There are many voices in opposition to the
theory and our guest today is just one of those. His name is John Coleman who was
the original weathercaster on "Good Morning, America." After that Coleman
founded and served as CEO and President of the Weather Channel.

In 2007, Coleman began to speak out as a skeptic on the issue of global warming.
He describes the wave of concern about global warming "a fictional, manufactured crisis."

He believes many scientists and politicians have engaged in fraudulent activity
based on bad science in a continuing quest for funding. He also explains the one-
world government motive behind the formation of the United Nations
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Download your free Next News "Heroes & Villains" Poster here: http://nextnewsnetwork.com/the-2013-h...

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Climate Scientists Laugh at Global Warming Hysteria

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Published on 15 May 2013


Respected Australian scientists laugh at Julia Gillard, David Suzuki and other
climate change drama queens.Professor Bob Carter of James Cook University is a
Marine Geologist.Professor Peter Reid of James Cook University is a Marine Physics
specialist.Professor Garth Paltridge is a former Cheif Scientist at the CSIRO and is
an Atmospheric Physicist.Listen to 100 years of experience in the field!

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The first 20min is about the climate debate......


EXPOSED - The Politics Behind The Biggest Scam On Earth, GLOBAL WARMING

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Published on 30 Jan 2014


Global warming or global sham? Real emergency or conspiracy to hike taxes?
Controversial climate sceptic Lord Christopher Monckton joins Oksana to untangle
the politics behind climate science.

[TargeT]

AMAZING information in the first 50 min of this video (watching as I type) on global climates, and what it means about RIGHT NOW. [ Mod-edit: Joe Rogan comes on at 6:20 into this video. -- Paul. ]


Randall Carlson is a master builder and architectural designer, teacher, geometrician, geomythologist, geological explorer and renegade scholar.
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This entire thread is brought into context by this man.


the outcome is very different from anything I've heard.

[ThePythonicCow]

AMAZING information in the first 50 min of this video
AMAZING information in the entire 3 hour video (except the first 6 min 20 sec <grin>).

[TargeT]

AMAZING information in the first 50 min of this video
AMAZING information in the entire 3 hour video (except the first 6 min 20 sec <grin>).

Capitalism does want its pound of flesh, doesn't it... (or 6 min 20 sec).

This video is amazing for a few reasons, I'd say the key one being that we need to shift our focus from anthropomorphic climate change to WTF do we do when an asteroid hits the planet (as they seem to do all the time) and causes another global 50% extinction... If you stripped away the plant life on earth it will look exactly like the moon; thousands of impact craters.


For example:
Every recorded meteorite strike on Earth since 2,300 BCE mapped

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/entry_photo_images/7695263/meteor-strike-map-earth_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/18/4001936/map-every-recorded-meteorite-strike-earth-2300-BCE

is a debatable increase in temperature in 100+ years or that map more worrying? Which should we be spending billions of dollars on, which should we be spending our time and energy on?

[Cidersomerset]

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19 May 2014 Last updated at 10:33

Esa's Cryosat mission sees Antarctic ice losses double
By Jonathan Amos

Science correspondent, BBC News

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74946000/jpg/_74946794_map624b.jpg

Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean - twice
as much as when the continent was last surveyed.

The new assessment comes from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft, which has a radar
instrument specifically designed to measure the shape of the ice sheet.

The melt loss from the White Continent is sufficient to push up global sea levels by
around 0.43mm per year.

Scientists report the data in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

The new study incorporates three years of measurements from 2010 to 2013, and
updates a synthesis of observations made by other satellites over the period 2005
to 2010.

Cryosat has been using its altimeter to trace changes in the height of the ice sheet
- as it gains mass through snowfall, and loses mass through melting.


Read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27465050

[Hervé]

Antarctic Sea-Ice Coverage Continues Breaking Records
(http://iceagenow.info/2014/05/antarctic-sea-ice-coverage-continues-breaking-records/)
By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On May 19, 2014 · 1 Comment (http://iceagenow.info/2014/05/antarctic-sea-ice-coverage-continues-breaking-records/#comments)


Sea-ice coverage grew about 43,500 square miles per day in Antarctica this summer, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/) (NSDC). April 2014 beat the previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.
In fact, Antarctic sea ice coverage hit 3.5 million square miles in April— the largest on record.
One-hundred-and-twenty-four-thousand miles! That’s bigger than Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland combined, with enough room left over for an additional 184 Manhattans.
And it’s not over. “Record levels continue to be set in early May,” reports the NSDC. Sea ice levels have been “significantly above” satellite data (http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/12/global-cooling-antarctic-sea-ice-coverage-continues-to-break-records/) averages for 16 consecutive months.
If a chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off of a glacier, the worldwide media wrings its collective hands. But if sea-ice coverage grows by the size of seven states plus 184 Manhattans, you hear nary a word.

I wonder why that is?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/12/global-cooling-antarctic-sea-ice-coverage-continues-to-break-records/#ixzz32Cdu0KsE

Thanks to Jason Cragg and Ron de Haan for this link


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As for the BBC article posted above, I would refer readers to compare with this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=835073&viewfull=1#post835073) <---

[TargeT]

Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean - twice
as much as when the continent was last surveyed.


VS



Sea-ice coverage grew about 43,500 square miles per day in Antarctica this summer, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDC). April 2014 beat the previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.
In fact, Antarctic sea ice coverage hit 3.5 million square miles in April— the largest on record.One-hundred-and-twenty-four-thousand miles! That’s bigger than Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland combined, with enough room left over for an additional 184 Manhattans.

Clearly both these posters felt that what they were sharing was valid, and clearly they both depict completely opposite situations.


So, what do we have here? Is this simply prejudiced to the topic that blocks one side from seeing the other?


I think this is due to how the brain responds to Strongly held Beliefs; we fall into a light (or heavy) "fight or flight" response, triggering the reptilian system which physically makes you respond in an irrational way.

I think I've posted this video here 10+ times, but the first 15 min of this video clearly explains this process; it's very interesting and promotes (at least in me) an "ah, ha" moment... so much of life's interactions make sense with this information in perspective.

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[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the ocean - twice
as much as when the continent was last surveyed.
VS




Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Sea-ice coverage grew about 43,500 square miles per day in Antarctica this summer,
according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDC). April 2014 beat the
previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.
In fact, Antarctic sea ice coverage hit 3.5 million square miles in April— the largest on
record.One-hundred-and-twenty-four-thousand miles! That’s bigger than Vermont, New
Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland combined,
with enough room left over for an additional 184 Manhattans.
Clearly both these posters felt that what they were sharing was valid, and clearly they
both depict completely opposite situations.


I agree and the BBC report is saying the complete opposite to the
articles I put up a couple of posts earlier. Ironically I am listening/
watching to the vids I put up on the Gobekli Tepi thread..
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71613-Graham-Hancock-Ancient-Man-and-Our-Mysterious-Origins-Gobekli-Tepe...

I mention this as I'm not up to date with the vids on this thread,
but the main theme is that a lost civilisation is reamerging from
the last ice age. Graham Hancock and others have been saying
this for decades and it is now coming to light.

So how do we explain the complete opposites of the argument
that one party says we have more ice than ever at the South
pole and the other says we far less.......They cannot both be
right......

[Hervé]

Just in case readers are all confused in comparing the two posts I referred to, here is the breakdown:

Post # 182 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=835073&viewfull=1#post835073):



http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/185778/large/600px_Antarctica_svg.png
WAIS (Western Antarctic Ice Sheet) may be melting, but the Guardian goes on to report that the larger EAIS (East Antarctica Ice Sheet) is growing at a rate of about 60 gigatons per year:
A more recent estimate published in November 2012 and based on the GRACE data, as well as on an improved glacial isostatic adjustment model, indicates that the East Antarctica actually gained mass from 2002 to 2010 at a rate of 60 ± 13 Gt/y. Post # 191 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=836449&viewfull=1#post836449):

Antarctica is now losing about 160 billion tonnes of ice a year to the oceanBBC, a staunch supporter of "Global Warming," (or the scientists they quote) fails to mention in its headline that it's WAIS that's losing ice (mostly due to volcanism (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=835073&viewfull=1#post835073), submarine ridges and under ice) whereas there are 60 Gigatons (60 billion tonnes) of ice accumulating every year on EAIS (up to 2010, steady no apparent increased accumulation for the last 3 years according to CryoSat)... that alone should indicate that it's not due to Antarctic weather... global or not!

Hence, Robert Felix's comment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=836469&viewfull=1#post836469):


If a chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off of a glacier, the worldwide media [e.g. BBC] wrings its collective hands. But if sea-ice coverage grows by the size of seven states plus 184 Manhattans, you hear nary a word.

I wonder why that is?

[Cidersomerset]

Well I'm listening to segments of the Bob & Ion show and its crazy & brilliant
and frustrating as ever, and the subjects vary from music, films. philosophy
medical problems, love & relationships, politics, cursing and the meaning of life.
you name and it comes up somewhere over the hours. Some of it is fun banter
and chaos but other segments are up with the best of science. Now after
giving it the big build up...LOL....

I have just listened to the 11pm sat 18 may 2014 segment and at 43 min mark
Bert asks Ion a question about the Earth Atmosphere , Ions answer is only a min
or so and includes a statement that the extended poles are moving away and is
why the ice is melting and the 'Click' has occurred then Bob makes a comment and
Ion says its not the earth flipping......I don't know what it means ?? Has any one
heard of the world expanding or the pole shifting.Ion did say the poles have not
shifted yet...Bert starts his questions 36 mins in and he starts with one about
Tachyons and neutrons which is interesting and above my paygrade which ends
with Ion doing a Steven Hawkins impression which is funny and Bert asks at the
end does Steven Hawkins listen to the show and Ion says yes. ( who knows ? ).
Then comes the above question where Ion talks about the poles melting........After
that theres a discussion about Science and how it is just a label, which is also good......

http://achieveradio.com/archDL.php?ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/media2/PAYDAY/2014-05-17--2300---PAYDAY.mp3
http://achieveradio.com/payday/

[ThePythonicCow]

Has any one heard of the world expanding or the pole shifting.Ion did say the poles have not shifted yet.
At the risk of missing the mark for the reason that I did not listen to the audio:

That the earth's magnet poles sometimes reverse entirely, and continuously drift gradually, is "accepted" knowledge.
That the earth might be expanding, gradually but substantially over millions of years, is a controversial alternative theory for which some find considerable good evidence.
That the entire mass of the earth might physically rotate "up-side-down" is ridiculed as impossible.


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P.S. == I have now made a brief attempt to listen. Not my cup of tea :).

[Cidersomerset]

P.S. == I have now made a brief attempt to listen. Not my cup of tea .

It is hard to listen to unless you are tuned into the frequency, I have heard
thousands of hours so I'm in tune to a degree...LOL ...Bob is a Scholar of
McClune ,James Joyce,Mae Brussel and many of the shifters and shakers of the
20th century, and is a expert on Finnagans wake, which is how the show tends to
pan out, bear in mind Bob is in his nineties and has been involved in some
clandestine activities in his MI5 days.

I have heard of pole shifts and the expanding earth theory as well but do not
understand enough of how it works, but I found it interesting and its a shame
they did not exspand on it. I just got a picture of the poles melting , but not
due to global warming....LOL..then you've got the all the planets in the solar
system are effected...

[Dennis Leahy]

Is Antarctica "freezing?" Really?



May 12, 2014

A new study by researchers at NASA and the University of California, Irvine, finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.

The study presents multiple lines of evidence, incorporating 40 years of observations that indicate the glaciers in the Amundsen Sea sector of West Antarctica "have passed the point of no return," according to glaciologist and lead author Eric Rignot, of UC Irvine and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. The new study has been accepted for publication in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
Source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-148

Dennis

[TargeT]

Is Antarctica "freezing?" Really?
Dennis

read just a couple posts up on this topic:

Biased articles can be VERY misleading, this post (a few up from here) helps point this out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=836558&viewfull=1#post836558)

[Dennis Leahy]

Is Antarctica "freezing?" Really?
Dennis

read just a couple posts up on this topic:

Biased articles can be VERY misleading, this post (a few up from here) helps point this out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=836558&viewfull=1#post836558)

Agreed, it is extremely rare to find a "definitive" article, looking carefully at all sides of any issue simultaneously, and providing unassailable conclusions.

Because so many of us at Avalon (myself included) are heavily influenced by the conspiratorial or suppressed/hidden information paradigm, I suspect we tend to nearly instinctively debunk ANY information coming out of any agency. It is hard not to - many or most of these agencies/organizations are monetarily biased. Because the imposition of a carbon tax would do absolutely nothing to alleviate CO2 emissions, and is an obvious scam to anyone with even one eye open, we see the bad guys using climate to make a buck (or a few trillion.) That doesn't mean that anthropocentric climate change is not real - and that is the heart of the debate.

Here's another article, discussing the East Antarctic Ice Sheet: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-355

Dennis

[TargeT]

That doesn't mean that anthropocentric climate change is not real - and that is the heart of the debate.
Dennis

There certainly is some anthropomorphic influence.

however, what is it, how much, how little?

this video lays out the situation very clearly:


Randall Carlson is a master builder and architectural designer, teacher, geometrician, geomythologist, geological explorer and renegade scholar.
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This debate should be taken in a million+ year context; not a few hundred years as the anthropocentric slant does.


I'm sure it is just as clear to me that the anthropomorphic influence is small as it is clear to you that it is central to the issue; what we base these ideas on does seem to be important; due diligence and sourcing for all!

[Hervé]

New paper finds Ross Sea ice in Antarctica has increased 5% since 1993 (http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.dk/2014/05/new-paper-finds-ross-sea-ice-in.html)


The Hockey Schtick (http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.dk/2014/05/new-paper-finds-ross-sea-ice-in.html)
Tue, 27 May 2014 00:00 CDT



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A new paper published in Geophysical Research Letters reconstructs sea-ice area in the Ross Sea, Antarctica from a 130 year coastal ice-core record. The authors find the "data show prevailing stable SIA from the 1880s until the 1950s, a 2 - 5% reduction from the mid-1950s to the early-1990s, and a 5% increase after 1993."

Thus, the overall trend in the Ross Sea, Antarctica over the past 130 years would be stable to increasing.
Kate E. Sinclair et al

We present the first proxy record of sea-ice area (SIA) in the Ross Sea, Antarctica, from a 130 year coastal ice-core record. High-resolution deuterium excess data show prevailing stable SIA from the 1880s until the 1950s, a 2 - 5% reduction from the mid-1950s to the early-1990s, and a 5% increase after 1993. Additional support for this reconstruction is derived from ice-core methanesulphonic acid concentrations and whaling records. While SIA has continued to decline around much of the West Antarctic coastline since the 1950s, concurrent with increasing air and ocean temperatures, the underlying trend is masked in the Ross Sea by a switch to positive SIA anomalies since the early-1990s. This increase is associated with a strengthening of southerly winds and the enhanced northward advection of sea ice. Twentieth century sea-ice trends in the Ross Sea from a high-resolution, coastal ice-core record (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL059821/abstract)

SOTT-Comment: (http://www.sott.net/article/279775-New-paper-finds-Ross-Sea-ice-in-Antarctica-has-increased-5-since-1993)
It's not just Antarctica bucking the trend, but the whole globe. In the last 17 years there has been no 'global warming'. As IPCC lead author Kevin Trenberth said: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't."

Yes, it is a travesty! Climate models are only as good as the assumptions they're based on. The authors of climate papers are trained to frame everything in terms of one factor: a carbon dioxide increase they attribute to human activity, which obscures awareness of being part of a much larger system that surely has multiple influences acting on the planet's complex climate.

Antarctica, is it melting or not? Man-made global warming can't explain this climate paradox (http://www.sott.net/article/279216-Antarctica-is-it-melting-or-not-Man-made-global-warming-cant-explain-this-climate-paradox#)

[Hervé]

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Lake Superior, 25 May 2014: Heatwave on Ice!

[Hervé]

Volcanoes melting Antarctic glaciers from below

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On June 10, 2014 ·

Dive below the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and you’ll find fire as well as ice, says this article by Stephanie Pappas.


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The edge of the Thwaites glacier – NASA photo by Jim Yungel


“A new study finds that subglacial volcanoes and other geothermal “hotspots” are contributing to the melting of Thwaites Glacier, a major river of ice (http://www.livescience.com/44434-west-antarctica-glaciers-speed-up.html) that flows into Antarctica’s Pine Island Bay,” says Pappas.

“Areas of the glacier that sit near geologic features thought to be volcanic are melting faster than regions farther away from hotspots, said Dustin Schroeder, the study’s lead author and a geophysicist at the University of Texas.”

“This melting could significantly affect ice loss in the West Antarctic, an area that is losing ice quickly.”

Using radar data from satellites in orbit, the researchers found subglacial streams flowing beneath the Thwaites Glacier that were too full to be explained by flow from upstream. This indicated unusually high melt, said Schroeder.

When the researchers checked out the subglacial geology in the region, they found that fast-melting spots were disproportionately clustered near confirmed West Antarctic volcanoes, suspected volcanoes or other presumed hotspots.

Geothermal heat - not climate change! - is melting the glacier from below.

The minimum average heat flow beneath Thwaites Glacier is almost double the average of the rest of the continents, the researchers found. In some areas, average heat flow is more than triple the average. They found these sources are distributed over a wider area and are much hotter than previously assumed.

The extra melt caused by subglacial volcanoes could hasten the ice sheet’s flow toward the sea, Schroeder said.

Researchers have long known that volcanoes lurk under the ice of West Antarctica, because it is a seismically active region where East and West Antarctica are rifting apart, says Pappas. “In 2013, a team of scientists even found a new volcano (http://www.livescience.com/41262-west-antarctica-new-volcano-discovered.html) beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.” (Rifting is associated with the movement of magma and volcanic activity.)

The findings “show that the glacier sits on something more like a multi-burner stovetop with burners putting out heat at different levels at different locations,” says phys.org/news.

Schroeder and his colleagues at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) plan to expand their study to other glaciers in the region.
Note: I’m really encouraged to learn about this study. Now I wish we could see more studies about how underwater volcanoes heat the seas. I’ve been harping about them for years. In fact, there’s an entire chapter about the unacknowledged importance of underwater volcanoes (entitled “Fish Stew”) in Not by Fire but by Ice.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/06/09/hidden-volcanoes-melt-antarctic-glaciers-from-below/

Geothermal heat – not climate change! – is melting the glacier from below:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/09/uh-oh-study-says-collapsing-thwaites-glacier-in-antarctica-melting-from-geothermal-heat-not-co2-heat-effects/

http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-STOP-THE-PRESSES-Heat-From-Geothermal-melting-Antarctic-glacier

http://phys.org/news/2014-06-major-west-antarctic-glacier-geothermal.html#jCp

[Hervé]

Coldest Antarctic June Ever Recorded (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/12/coldest-antarctic-june-ever-recorded/)

Posted on July 12, 2014 (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/12/coldest-antarctic-june-ever-recorded/) by Anthony Watts (http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/wattsupwiththat/)

Story submitted by Eric Worrall
Antarctica continues to defy the global warming script, with a report from Météo France, that June this year was the coldest Antarctic June ever recorded, at the French Antarctic Dumont d’Urville Station.



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La base Dumont d'Urville @ Météo-France / O. Traullé


According to the press release, during June this year, the average temperature was -22.4c (-8.3F), 6.6c (11.9F) lower than normal. This is the coldest June ever recorded at the station, and almost the coldest monthly average ever – only September 1953 was colder, with a recorded average temperature of -23.5c (-10.3F).

June this year also broke the June daily minimum temperature record, with a new record low of -34.9c (-30.8F).

Other unusual features of the June temperature record are an unusual excess of sunlight hours (11.8 hours rather than the normal 7.4 hours), and unusually light wind conditions.

Dumont d’Urville Station has experienced ongoing activity since 1956. According to the Météo France record, there is no other weather station for 1000km in any direction.

http://www.meteofrance.fr/web/comprendre-la-meteo/actualites?articleId=8990197
h/t IceAgeNow

[lastlegs]

Yesterday, the Huffington Post had up an article and map showing the weakening of the electromagnetic field in North America while the simultaneously increasing over India. It did not stay long and was taken down. Knowing how the PTB work, I would say that was fair warning. Looking at studies of the 400,000+ ice core studies. The earth has flipped several times in that period. One of the things the article said was while a flip was possible it could take between a 100 and a 1000 years. Anybody who believes that is smoking something.

My thinking goes with Terrence McKenna's and I think this is a strong possibility. In Geologic time 1 week or a century is almost the same. So 2012 may have been the idyllic time projection, and we may have been given time but..... I read a diary today from a woman dying of cancer. When she was told she asked for 4 yers to settle in effect her bucket list. End of story, she got the four years but did none of it. The diary is about coming to peace with that. I have felt terribly sad since reading it.

[Hervé]

Freak summer blizzard and hail hit Siberia, Urals – Video (http://iceagenow.info/2014/07/freak-summer-blizzard-hail-hit-siberia-urals-video/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On July 13, 2014 · 1 Comment (http://iceagenow.info/2014/07/freak-summer-blizzard-hail-hit-siberia-urals-video/#comments)


Exchanging swimsuits for snow boots.
Heavy rain in the town of Zlatoust in Russia’s South Urals on Sunday, July 12, suddenly gave way to a blizzard.

“It wasn’t just rain and snow, but real snowfall with snowflakes as white as during winter,” ITAR-TASS quotes an eyewitness, Valery Semyannikov, as saying.

Snowdrifts piled up on the roads as the abnormal summer snowstorm hit the region. Siberia also witnessed a downpour of giant hailstones.


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Similarly on Saturday, residents of Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk, in Russia’s eastern Ural region, were taken aback when it suddenly started snowing … in the middle of summer. Photos and videos on social networks show snow-covered green grass in the middle of July.

Hail the size of golf balls in Novosibirsk
Also on Saturday, the eastern Siberian city of Novosibirsk witnessed an unusual downpour of hailstones. Local media reported some to be the size of golf balls or hen eggs.

A video on YouTube shows the usual summer scenes of beachgoers enjoying themselves while swimming, sunbathing, and playing games.

A few seconds later, the weather suddenly changes – strong winds start blowing and tearing of branches off nearby trees. The sky goes dark and freakishly large balls of hail start shooting from the sky.

The beach was covered with a white sheet of hail just one minute after the storm started.

A scared female voice can be heard saying “If we die, I love you.”

In some parts of Siberia, summer temperatures are similar to the Mediterranean.
Local media reported snowdrifts along roads, adding that the temperature dropped from over 20C (68F) to almost zero on Saturday.

http://rt.com/news/172468-freaky-snow-urals-siberia/

Shows photo of a bride -in her white gown – traipsing through the snow:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_13/Snow-falls-in-South-Urals-in-mid-summer-1564/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/10964493/Freak-hail-storm-hits-beach-goers.html

In Polish:
http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/gradobicie-na-plazy-w-nowosybirsku/81ve6

In Russian:
http://www.newsru.com/russia/13jul2014/leto.html

Thanks to Georg Schmidt Weymans, Adoni, Cooper, Craig Adkins and R.A. for these links

[Daughter of Time]

I hope I'm not too off topic here but I hear that the Atlantic is growing and the Pacific is shrinking.

What does this mean?

[Hervé]

I hope I'm not too off topic here but I hear that the Atlantic is growing and the Pacific is shrinking.

What does this mean?

Not sure what it's all about without links or references but, at first "think" it seems it would have to do with plate tectonics, subduction zones and rate of accretion at Mid Oceanic Ridges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire#mediaviewer/File:Plates_tect2_en.svg) since the Atlantic Ocean is not surrounded by subduction zones and accompanying volcanism as the Pacific Ocean is (Ring of Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire)).

Hence, the Atlantic ocean keeps increasing in size with Africa + Europe going "East" and North + South America going "West." This can only be accommodated by a reduction in size of the Pacific Ocean with North + South America getting closer to Australia and Eurasia by a few inches per year, given that Earth is of a fixed size, and which generates all those earthquakes all along the Ring of Fire.

Indeed, not much to do with freezing Earth poles :)

[meat suit]

bbc
Greenland ice loss doubles from late 2000s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28852980

[Referee]

Methane on the rise Ice volume down.....

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[cursichella1]

I hope I'm not too off topic here but I hear that the Atlantic is growing and the Pacific is shrinking.

What does this mean?

Not sure what it's all about without links or references but, at first "think" it seems it would have to do with plate tectonics, subduction zones and rate of accretion at Mid Oceanic Ridges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire#mediaviewer/File:Plates_tect2_en.svg) since the Atlantic Ocean is not surrounded by subduction zones and accompanying volcanism as the Pacific Ocean is (Ring of Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire)).


This conveniently adds to that, though the title and article (below) are quite misleading -overall ia strange article. Seems it is really all about the Atlantic Ocean suddenly having quake potential?:

The East Coast seeps came as a surprise to researchers, as it is not tectonically active nor a known source of oil and gas.



Scientists Find Widespread Methane Leaks in the Atlantic (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/215857-scientists-find-widespread-methane-leaks-in-atlantic)

Scientists have found hundreds of methane leak spots on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean near the East Coast of the United States, according to a new study.

The methane seeps were found in at least 570 places where the continental shelf meets the deeper ocean floor, from near Massachusetts down to North Carolina, researchers said in a study published Sunday in the journal Nature Geoscience.

Methane is a greenhouse gas believed to contribute to climate change at a rate of about 25 times more than carbon dioxide per volume.

The volume of the leaks is very small compared to methane seeps from all sources around the world, researchers said. It has likely been leaking for at least 1,000 years, though most of the methane dissolves in the ocean before reaching the atmosphere.

Methane frequently leaks in more tectonically active ocean floor areas, such as the Pacific Ocean off the West Coast. The East Coast seeps came as a surprise to researchers, as it is not tectonically active nor a known source of oil and gas.


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/215857-scientists-find-widespread-methane-leaks-in-atlantic#ixzz3BU95yhro

[Cidersomerset]

Interesting article basically they don't know , but plenty of
theories ...............

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21 August 2014 Last updated at 19:45

.Global warming slowdown 'could last another decade'Matt McGrath
By Matt McGrath Environment correspondent, BBC News




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global ocean currents Currents in the Atlantic could be
responsible for a slowdown in temperature rises

Related Stories
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24233643
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28871577
Carbon concerns over wood burning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28457104



The hiatus in the rise in global temperatures could last
for another 10 years, according to new research.

Scientists have struggled to explain the so-called pause
that began in 1999, despite ever increasing levels of
CO2 in the atmosphere.

The latest theory says that a naturally occurring 30-year
cycle in the Atlantic Ocean is behind the slowdown.

The researchers says this slow-moving current could continue
to divert heat into the deep seas for another decade.

However, they caution that global temperatures are likely to
increase rapidly when the cycle flips to a warmer phase.

Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
The Pacific is a symptom of the hiatus but not the ultimate cause. The Atlantic is the driver”
End Quote
Prof Ka-Kit Tung

University of Washington

According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC), global average temperatures have increased by
around 0.05C per decade in the period between 1998 and 2012.

This compares with a decadal average of 0.12 between 1951 and 2012.

More than a dozen theories have been put forward on the
cause of this pause in temperature growth that occurred
while emissions of carbon dioxide were at record highs.

These ideas include the impact of pollution such as soot
particles that have reflected back some of the Sun's heat
into space.

Increased volcanic activity since 2000 has also been
blamed, as have variations in solar activity.

The most recent perspectives have looked to the oceans
as the locations of the missing heat.

Last year a study suggested that a periodic upwelling of
cooler waters in the Pacific was limiting the rise.

However this latest work, published in the journal Science,
shifts the focus from the Pacific to the Atlantic and Southern
oceans.

The team, lead by Prof Ka-Kit Tung from the University of
Washington, US, says there is now evidence that a 30-year
current alternately warms and cools the world by sinking
large amounts of heat beneath these deep waters.

They've used observations from a network of devices called
Argo floats that sample the oceans down to 2,000 metres.

Ice age fears

The researchers say that there was another hiatus between
1945 and 1975 due to this current taking down the heat,
that led to fears of a new ice age.

From 1976 though, the cycle flipped and contributed to the
warming of the world, as more heat stayed on the surface.

But since the year 2000, the heat has been going deeper,
and the world's overall temperatures haven't risen beyond
the record set in 1998.

"The floats have been very revealing to us," said Prof Tung.

"I think the consensus at this point is that below 700 metres
in the Atlantic and Southern oceans [they are] storing heat
and not the Pacific."

A key element in this new understanding is the saltiness of
the water. The waters in the Atlantic current coming up from
the tropics are saltier because of evaporation. This sinks more
quickly and takes the heat down with it.


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el nino Atmospheric humidity over the Pacific during the El Nino in 1997
Eventually though, the salty water melts enough ice in Arctic
waters to lower the saline level, slowing down the current
and keeping the heat near the surface.

"Before 2006 the saltiness was increasing, this indicated that
the current was speeding up," said Prof Tung.

"After 2006, this saltiness is diminishing but it's still above
the long-term average. Now it is slowly slowing down.

"Once it gets below the long-term average, then it is the next
period of rapid warming."

As well as the data from the Argo floats, Prof Tung has also
examined the Central England Temperature record, that dates
back over 350 years. He believes that this confirms the regular
70-year cycles of warm and cold spells.

This historic pattern, he says, could extend the current period of pause.

"We probably may have another 10 years, maybe shorter as
global warming itself is melting more ice and ice could flood
the North Atlantic, but historically we are in the middle of the cycle."

Rising staircase of warming

Several other researchers in this field acknowledge the Tung
analysis is part of a growing body of evidence that suggests
the Atlantic has a role in the pause.

Prof Reto Knutti from the ETH Zurich has recently published a
review of all the current theories on the hiatus.

"I see the studies as complementary, and they both highlight
that natural variability in ocean and atmosphere is important
in modifying long term anthropogenic trends," he said.

"A better understanding of those modes of variability is critical
to understand past changes (including differences between
models and observations during the hiatus period) as well as
predicting the future, in particular in the near term and regionally,
where variability dominates the forced changes from greenhouses gases."

Other scientists say that the Atlantic hypothesis is interesting
but a much longer range of observations is needed.

"We really don't have a lot of data," said Dr Jonathan Robson
from the University of Reading, UK.

"So if there is this 60-year oscillation in the ocean, we haven't
observed it all, basically we've observed the impact of it. We may
have to wait 15-20 years to know what's going on."

Prof Tung believes that whatever the cause and the length of the
pause, we are on a "rising staircase" when it comes to global
temperatures that will become apparent when the Atlantic current
switches again.

"At the end we will be on the rising part of the staircase, and the
rate of warming there will be very fast, just as fast as the last
three decades of the 20th Century, plus we are starting off at a
higher plateau. The temperatures and the effects will be more severe."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28870988

[Cidersomerset]

This article seems like a rebuff of the one above , pointing out
they are underestimating the effect of fossil fuels particularly
coal in China.............


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26 August 2014 Last updated at 19:23

Full extent of global coal 'binge' is hidden, say researchersMatt McGrath
By Matt McGrath

Environment correspondent, BBC News

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coal power China has invested heavily in new coal-fired power stations since 1995



Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
Warming 'pause' may last until 2025
US unveils coal power curb plans
Gas from coal: The future or fantasy?

The climate impacts of the world's fossil-fuelled power plants are
being underestimated because of poor accounting, say researchers.

Governments would get a truer picture if they included the lifetime
emissions of a facility in the year it goes into production

These "committed emissions" have been growing by 4% a year
between 2000 and 2012, the scientists say.

Power plants in China and India alone account for half of this commitment.

At present, UN accounting procedures only include the emissions from
coal and gas powered electricity generation in the year in which they occur.

Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
"We've been hiding things from ourselves”
End Quote
Prof Robert Socolow

Princeton

According to the authors of the new paper, this method means they
are missing a significant part of the picture.

"We are trying to get past a kind of myopia that sets in when people
focus exclusively on the emissions of the day," said one of the authors,
Prof Robert Socolow from Princeton.

By taking an expected production life of 40 years, the researchers
calculated that the new coal and gas plants built in 2012 would, in
total, produce around 19bn tonnes of CO2.

This is significantly more than the 14bn tonnes produced by all the
existing fossil fuel plants in the world in the same year.

"We've been hiding things from ourselves," said Prof Socolow.

A new coal plant every week

What Prof Socolow termed the "Chinese power plant construction binge",
which has occurred since 1995, was a major factor in the story.

Plants in China represent 42% of committed future emissions, while
India is responsible for 8%.

That contrasts with the US and Europe, which between them account
for 20% of the committed carbon.

"The US and Europe, for the most part, have not paid attention that
such large consequences were turning up in the development decisions
of the developing world," said Prof Socolow.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77181000/jpg/_77181351_78510571.jpg
gas flare Natural gas power production has increased significantly since
1980 but mainly in the Middle East. While the share of commitments
related to natural gas plants has increased from around 15% in 1980
to 27% in 2012, much of this development is focussed on the Middle East.

Apart from this area, almost the entire developing world is looking to
coal as the power plant fuel of choice on the road to industrialisation.

According to the report, all the existing fossil fuel plants in world will
contribute 300bn tonnes of CO2 over their lifetimes, putting a significant
dent in the remaining carbon budget that would prevent a global
temperature rise of 2C, the threshold of dangerous climate change
according to scientists.

"Worldwide, we've built more coal-burning power plants in the past
decade than in any previous decade, and closures of old plants aren't
keeping pace with this expansion," said co-author Prof Steven Davis
at University of California, Irvine.

"Far from solving the climate change problem, we're investing heavily
in technologies that make the problem worse," he said.

The researchers say that their calculation of committed emissions
doesn't mean they are unavoidable.

They argue that with properly functioning carbon markets and the
development of carbon capture and storage technology (CCS), the
scale of the impacts on climate could be reduced.

"The extra piece of this is CCS," said Prof Socolow.

"There is a tool, it does costs money - but it is one of the ways of
having your cake and eating it too."

The research has been published in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

Follow Matt on Twitter @mattmcgrathbbc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28942403

[mischief]

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One thought that occurred to me is that if the build-up of ice is asymmetrical, then this might create a very slight wobble on the spinning mass of the planet. I have no idea what effects that might trigger (or if the wobble would be large enough to create a knock-on effect).

Nah! Check out kids spinning top toys and you'll see they have more weight at the bottom than they do at the top....or they did when I played with them, hehe. Makes them spin better.

[Cidersomerset]

UN Climate Chief: 'Not Very Far' from Considering
'Climate Change as a Public Health Emergency'



August 28, 2014 - 4:25 AM D.Icke.com....



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UN Climate Chief: 'Not Very Far' from Considering 'Climate Change as a Public Health Emergency'

August 28, 2014 - 4:25 AM

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U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres speaks to reporters in New York
on September 26, 2013. (U.N. Photo/Sarah Fretwell)




(CNSNews.com) – Secretary of State John Kerry has called climate change “the biggest challenge of all that we face right now,” and his French counterpart has warned of climate “chaos” in 500 days, and now the U.N. climate change chief is implying that climate change can be viewed on a par with the deadly Ebola outbreak.

Christiana Figueres told a World Health Organization (WHO)-hosted event in Geneva Wednesday that “we are not very far” from the point where climate change should be declared an international public health emergency, according to her prepared remarks.

Addressing a three-day global conference on health and climate – the first of its kind – Figueres said in remarks directed at WHO Director-General Margaret Chan, “Dear Margaret, as much as [I] would like you to, I am fully aware of the fact that you have not convened the international health regulations emergency committee to consider climate change as a public health emergency of international concern.”

“However, we are not very far from this,” she added.

The committee referred to by Figueres is the expert body on whose advice the WHO three weeks ago declared the Ebola outbreak in West Africa to be a “public health emergency of international concern” (PHEIC).

Under international health regulations, a PHEIC is declared in a case where “an extraordinary event” is determined to constitute a public health risk through the international spread of disease; and “to potentially require a coordinated international response.”

In her speech Figueres, who is executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) said that while it was easy to view climate change as “the equivalent of a disease” it was actually the symptom.

“The disease is something we rarely admit,” she said. “The disease is humanity’s unhealthy dependence on fossil fuels, deforestation and land use that depletes natural resources.”

“At the heart of an effective response to climate change is the challenge of taking responsibility for our actions and above all, making tough decisions to change the patterns that have been at the base of our development over the past 100 years, if we are to prevent severe worsening of health and quality of life conditions over the next 100 years.”

The U.N. says climate change is having an impact on health in numerous ways, including malnutrition due to crop failures arising from changing weather patterns; water scarcity; the spread of water-borne disease resulting from rising temperatures; and the effect of carbon emissions on rates of cancer and respiratory disease rates.

Speaking at the conference Wednesday, Chan linked climate change to the emergence of new human diseases. She said many of these originate in wild animals, whose populations, concentration and incursion into areas where humans live are impacted by climate variables.

But she cautioned against speculation that Ebola may be affected by climate.

“I am aware of speculation that climate change may influence the frequency of outbreaks of Ebola virus disease,” she said. “I must emphasize we have no evidence that this is the case.”

Paris agreement will be ‘universal and applicable to all countries’

Like a number of other events around the world, the conference in Geneva is looking ahead to the next major U.N. climate megaconference, in Paris, France in November 2015, when efforts will be made to finalize a global agreement on cutting “greenhouse gas” emissions.

Next month U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon will host a summit in New York where world leaders will be urged to make commitments ahead of the Paris conference.

“This agreement will be universal and applicable to all countries,” Figueres said in Geneva. “It will address current and future emissions. If strong enough, it will prevent the worst and chart a course toward a world with clean air and water, abundant natural resources and happy, healthy populations, all the requirements for positive growth.”

“Seen in this light,” she added, “the climate agreement is actually a public health agreement.”

This week the administration has come under fire over claims that President Obama is working on reaching an agreement in Paris in a way that will enable him to sidestep Senate ratification, which is constitutionally required for international treaties.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Wednesday called a New York Times report on the issue “completely speculative.”

“Our goal, of course, is to negotiate a successful and effective global climate change agreement that can help address this pressing challenge, but anything that is eventually negotiated and that should go to the Senate will go to the Senate,” she said.

At the White House, press secretary Josh Earnest said, “Because that agreement is not written, it’s not yet clear exactly what sort of role Congress would be required to play.”

It remained to be seen whether the agreement would be a “political agreement” or be one that would “require congressional approval in terms of acceding to a treaty,” he said.

Earnest stressed that Obama has identified climate change as a priority issue, saying he had taken steps to address it at home and “hasn’t been shy about trying to lead on the international stage as well.”




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Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and
covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago…despite Al Gore’s prediction
it would be ICE-FREE by now

Sunday 31st August 2014 at 10:00 By david-icke


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Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker
and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's
prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now

Seven years after former US Vice-President Al Gore's warning, Arctic ice cap has
expanded for second year in row

An area twice the size of Alaska - America's biggest state - was open water two
years ago and is now covered in ice

These satellite images taken from University of Illinois's Cryosphere project show
ice has become more concentrated

By David Rose for The Mail on Sunday

Published: 23:04, 30 August 2014 | Updated: 09:56, 31 August 2014


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‘The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice
cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as
seven years. Seven years from now.’

Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his
campaigning on climate change.

But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from
vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession –
with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.’

Read more: Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer
ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago…
despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now

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Most Antarctic sea ice EVER (http://iceagenow.info/2014/09/antarctic-sea-ice/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On September 19, 2014 · 7 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2014/09/antarctic-sea-ice/#comments)


Third all-time record in a row – Now off the Bremen chart:

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Interactive chart: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html
(http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html)Thanks to Mel for this link.

Links to other charts

Sea Ice Area
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/antarctic-sea-ice-area-day-258-sets-3rd-all-time-record-in-a-row-but-only-by-600-sq-km/

Sea Ice Extent
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2/extent_s_running_mean_amsr2_regular.png

http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/antarctic-sea-ice-extent-sept-18-2014-20-million-sq-km/

http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/arcticantarctic-mirror-graph-day-260/

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Its hard to keep up with all these threads especially in any detail, I concentrate
on a few I'm currently interested in, but many of these threads are tied into
the bigger picture.....

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UN climate change: 1000 scientists say no

Saturday 20th September 2014 at 10:33 By david-icke

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‘Read it.

It’s a shocking 321-page report assembled by The Climate Depot:

“More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over
Man-Made Global Warming Claims.”

It names names. It lists reasons for the dissent.

Reality is engineered consensus. But when that doesn’t work,
“experts” just assert there is a consensus when there isn’t.’

Read more: UN climate change: 1000 scientists say no

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/un-climate-change-1000-scientists-say-no/

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There are some articles on this mini thread that may be of interest to add to this thread...

Arctic Meltdown Myth - New Data Data Shows Global Warming Trends Have Been Stagnant Over Past 19 Yrs

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74585-Arctic-Meltdown-Myth-New-Data-Data-Shows-Global-Warming-Trends-Have-Been-Stagnant-Over-Past-19-Yrs

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On the flip side......




How the People’s Climate March Became a Corporate PR Campaign

Sunday 21th September 2014 at 04:02 By david-icke

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Weekend Edition September 19-21, 2014
Business as Usual in Manhattan

How the People’s Climate March Became a Corporate PR Campaign

by ARUN GUPTA


I’ve never been to a protest march that advertised in the New York City subway.
That spent $220,000 on posters inviting Wall Street bankers to join a march to save
the planet, according to one source. That claims you can change world history in an
afternoon after walking the dog and eating brunch.

Welcome to the “People’s Climate March” set for Sunday, Sept. 21 in New York City.
It’s timed to take place before world leaders hold a Climate Summit at the United
Nations two days later. Organizers are billing it as the “biggest climate change
demonstration ever” with similar marches around the world. The Nation describes
the pre-organizing as following “a participatory, open-source model that recalls the
Occupy Wall Street protests.” A leader of 350.org, one of the main organizing groups,
explained, “Anyone can contribute, and many of our online organizing ‘hubs’ are led by
volunteers who are often coordinating hundreds of other volunteers.”

I will join the march, as well as the Climate Convergence starting Friday, and most
important the “Flood Wall Street” direct action on Monday, Sept. 22. I’ve had conversations
with more than a dozen organizers including senior staff at the organizing groups. Many
people are genuinely excited about the Sunday demonstration. The movement is
radicalizing thousands of youth. Endorsers include some labor unions and many
people-of-color community organizations that normally sit out environmental activism
because the mainstream green movement has often done a poor job of talking about
the impact on or solutions for workers and the Global South.

Nonetheless, to quote Han Solo, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”

Environmental activist Anne Petermann and writer Quincy Saul describe how the People’s
Climate March has no demands, no targets,and no enemy. Organizers admitted encouraging
bankers to march was like saying Blackwater mercenaries should join an antiwar protest.
There is no unity other than money. One veteran activist who was involved in Occupy Wall
Street said it was made known there was plenty of money to hire her and others. There is
no sense of history: decades of climate-justice activism are being erased by the incessant
invocation of the “biggest climate change demonstration ever.” Investigative reporter Cory
Morningstar has connected the dots between the organizing groups, 350.org and Avaaz,
the global online activist outfit modeled on MoveOn, and institutions like the World Bank
and Clinton Global Initiative. Morningstar claims the secret of Avaaz’s success is its
“expertise in behavioral change.”

Read more....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-peoples-climate-march-became-a-corporate-pr-campaign/

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21 September 2014 Last updated at 02:38

UN chief on streets for climate dealComments
By Matt McGrath

Environment correspondent, BBC News, New York
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UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and actor Leonardo di Caprio will join thousands
in a march for climate action in New York on Sunday.

The Manhattan demonstration is part of a global protest, with over 2,000 marches
taking place around the world.

Mr Ban will also tackle the issue with 125 heads of state and government on
Tuesday at UN headquarters.

It will be the first such gathering since the unsuccessful Copenhagen conference in 2009.

The meeting will attempt to push forward political momentum towards a new
universal agreement on climate to be signed by all nations at the end of 2015.

'Linking arms'

To maintain pressure on the political leaders, the People's Climate March has been
carefully organised to show that there is popular support for action to curb carbon emissions.

Speaking before the event Mr Ban said he wanted to take part to show he supported
the need for rapid action.

"I will link arms with those marching for climate action," he told a news conference.

"We stand with them on the right side of this key issue for our common future."

Joining him will be the Wolf of Wall Street star, who has recently been appointed a UN
Messenger of Peace with special responsibility for climate change.

Mr Di Caprio tweeted at the time that he was "honoured to accept at this key moment".

In New York, the march will also be attended by former Vice President Al Gore and
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

It will feature thousands of colourful displays of art, all designed to enhance an
intended narrative that the time for dithering is over.

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Leonardo di Caprio (L) and Ban Ki-moon Leonardo di Caprio has been named a
UN messenger of peace, with responsibility for climate change
"I think at this point everyone around the world is feeling the urgency and our
institutions are behind the curve," said Gal Golan, one of the artists working on the march.

"This moment becomes crucial for asserting that action is necessary immediately,
and we have very limited time to make changes to avoid unprecedented levels of catastrophe."

Explaining why the UN secretary general was taking part, Mary Robinson, former UN special
envoy, explained: "I think the Secretary General recognises that this is for everyone, and it is
important that in every country civil society comes out and puts pressure on their leaders to
make the changes necessary so that we will have a safe world.

"He doesn't see the marchers as them and the insiders as being an us, rather he sees the two
as part of building a momentum, it is civil society asking their leaders to be more ambitious."

The artists are being joined by a diverse range of people including scientists, religious leaders,
and farmers. Also in attendance will be survivors of Tropical Storm Sandy and Hurricane Katrina,
as well as indigenous tribes from South America and elsewhere.

Organisers have spent six months preparing the protests in places as diverse as Papua New
Guinea, Lagos, London and Rio where the famous statue of Christ will be turned green.

They believe that a huge global turnout can't be ignored by the heads of state and government
that will convene at UN headquarters on Tuesday.

"The march is incredibly important, because it will help draw policy makers and corporate leaders'
attention to the importance of climate change, including the need to adapt to climate change,"
said Dr Jessica Hellmann, associate professor of biological sciences at the University of Notre Dame.

"The march demands that government grow its commitment to adaptation. The diversity of people
participating in the climate change march all around the world, sends a strong message that
everyone is affected by climate change."

Mr Ban has asked that the political leaders come to UN headquarters bearing pledges of action.
He wants to hear commitments to cut carbon and offers of finance for those most affected.

It remains to be seen how significant these will be.

The leaders of China, India, Australia, Russia and Canada won't be here. Observers believe the
meeting can still achieve political momentum. After all, there will be more leaders in New York
than in Copenhagen in 2009 when hopes of a last minute deal were dashed in confused and
rancorous discussions.

Follow Matt on Twitter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29253221


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Do You get that sinking feeling..........

Leonardo DiCaprio gets a climate-change gig with the U.N.

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BBC News Climate change summit Global rallies demand action

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Published on 22 Sep 2014


Street protests demanding urgent action on climate change have attracted
hundreds of thousands of marchers in more than 2,000 locations worldwide.
In Manhattan, organisers said some 310,000 people joined a march that was also
attended by UN chief Ban Ki-moon and actor Leonardo DiCaprio.

The day of action came as world leaders gathered in New York ahead of a UN
climate summit.

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People's Climate March turnout shows people want action

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Published on 21 Sep 2014


With the turnout for Sunday's People's Climate March in New York City exceeding
organizers' expectations, experts say the message is clear: A wide range of people
want governmental action on global warming. Katherine Bagley, a reporter with
InsideClimate News, joins Hari Sreenivasan.



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22 September 2014 Last updated at 15:12
Matt McGrath Article written by Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent

The 'green blob' loves Mr Ban - but for how long?


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Mr Ban was joined by other high-profile friends for the march




Former British Environment Secretary Owen Paterson would not have been a happy chappy
if he had been in New York for the culmination of a global day of protest against a lack of
political action on climate change.

In Mr Paterson's words, the world of environmental activism is the green blob - "a mutually
supportive network of environmental pressure groups, renewable energy companies and
some public officials who keep each other well supplied with lavish funds, scare stories and green tape".

Well, Manhattan on Sunday may have seemed like "blobageddon" to Mr Paterson.

Here was a baseball capped Ban Ki-moon, standing shoulder to shoulder with groups as diverse
as Queers for Climate, Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping, the Granny Peace Brigade
and the New York City Breastfeeding Leadership Council.

One woman I spoke to was wearing a placard that said "Mississippi wants climate justice right now!"

I asked the wearer why she was marching.

"I am here because there's no justice. Congress are fighting against President Obama where the
poor cannot get their trickle down for housing and disability," she replied.

It seemed a long way from hungry polar bears and ruined rainforests.

The fact is that climate change has become a very broad church, covering almost every natural grievance.

Be it too many people chasing too few resources, the over exploitation of natural assets, declining
returns from land and sea, climate is seen to play a major part.


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But it is too easy, and plain wrong, to put all this down to environmental bandwagonism - here
come all the people, chanting together.

The reality of the People's Climate March was that it was full of ordinary people as well as the more
colourful, activist elements.

I saw tens of thousands of regular joes and josephines, couples with their kids, senior citizens, even
teenagers who'd managed to wake up in time.

For many, if not all of the marchers, with their very different takes on how climate change affects them,
the collective sense was disempowerment.

They want things to be different, they want a better world, but they feel that they do not have the
real power to change it.

That's why Ban Ki-moon's participation was more than just a photo opportunity.

According to the Mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, Mr Ban's march was important and significant.

"I give tremendous respect to the Secretary General for involving himself in a type of truly universal
social protest," he said.

"I think it is very powerful that the head of the closest thing we have got a truly global government,
is with the people today, marching with activists, saying this is the change that the grassroots are
demanding. That alone signifies a break with the past."

By making common cause with the grannies, the fishermen, the students and the immigrants who
marched through Manhattan, Mr Ban is trying to forge political will from popular action.

He is doing this because climate change has failed to galvanise enough support among global leaders
to merit the type of annoying, restrictive but effective laws that make people change their ways.

For a few short hours, the green blob was in love with Mr Ban, and he said that he felt like the
Secretary General of the whole world.

Mr Ban asked the crowd for its energy and its faith. Trust me, and I will deliver a strong global
deal on climate change.

But on Tuesday, when the hard eyed heads of government gather, Mr Ban may find it is easier to
win the hearts of the streets, than it is to win concessions from global leaders.

But at least the man is trying.

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22 September 2014 Last updated at 21:14

Scientists debate polar sea-ice oppositesBy Jonathan Amos

Science correspondent, BBC News


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Antarctic sea ice Explanations for the Antarctic abound, but there is "no single, underlying, silver-bullet cause"


Continue reading the main story
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Ocean waves influence sea ice extent

Arctic sea ice has passed its minimum summer extent, say polar experts meeting in London.

The cover on 17 September dipped to 5.01 million sq km, and has risen slightly since then,
suggesting the autumn re-freeze has now taken hold.

This year's minimum is fractionally smaller than last year (5.10 million sq km), making
summer 2014 the sixth lowest in the modern satellite record.

The Antarctic, in contrast, continues its winter growth.

It is still a few weeks away from reaching its maximum, which will continue the record-setting
trend of recent years.

Ice extent surrounding the White Continent has just topped 20 million sq km.

The marine cover at both poles is the subject of discussion at a major UK Royal Society
conference taking place this week.

'Normal year'

In the Arctic, Prof Julienne Stroeve from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center said
conditions in the north had been relatively cool this summer.

"This was what we might now call a 'normal year'," she told BBC News.

Winds had blown ice towards the Canadian Arctic archipelago, piling up the floes.

This will have protected them from melting and from being exported out of the Arctic basin,
explained the researcher, who is also affiliated to University College London.

Although, the last two summers had seen greater coverage than the record-setting low of 2012,
she cautioned that the long-term trend was still clear: September Arctic sea ice is declining in
extent by more than 10% per decade.

The eight lowest ice covers in the satellite record have now occurred in the past eight years.

Higher temperatures are seen as the cause; the Arctic has been one of the fastest warming regions on Earth.

Computer models are doing a better job at forecasting the losses but they still underestimate
the changes that are occurring.


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Sea Ice Arctic sea ice hit its annual minimum on 17 September. The red line shows the
1981-2010 average minimum extent


In the Antarctic, the research problem is a very different one.

This austral winter will be the third year in a row that sea-ice extent has reached a satellite-era
maximum, and it is the first time that this record has jumped above 20 million sq km.

Traditionally, the greatest cover is not reached until early October, so there should be time for
the south to accumulate even more marine cover.

But scientists are careful not to make equal and opposite comparisons for what is happening
at the two poles.

The regions' geographies are quite different. The Arctic is in large part an ocean enclosed by
land, whereas the Antarctic is a land mass totally surrounded by ocean.

What is more, the southern pole feels the influence of three great oceans - the Pacific, the
Atlantic and the Indian.

Many of the ice behaviours and responses are peculiar as a consequence.

Low pressure
Dr Paul Holland works with the British Antarctic Survey (BAS): "Sea-ice extent in the Antarctic
is going up by about one-fifth the speed that the Arctic is going down. And the volume of Antarctic
sea ice is going up by about one-tenth the speed that Arctic volume is going down, and the volume
is the more important number.

"My point is that the Antarctic is essentially flat; the increase in extent is to some degree a red herring.

"The more interesting question is why the Antarctic is not going down like the Arctic, and not
enough people are asking that question."

Various ideas have been put forward to explain the differences, but "as to a single, underlying,
silver-bullet cause - there just isn't one," he added.

His BAS colleague, Prof John Turner, highlighted the big up-turn in sea-ice growth around the
Antarctic in only the past fortnight - the result of more storms in the region.

"Southerly winds have pushed the ice out to greater northerly latitudes, and that means the
cold winds coming off the continent then freeze the open water left behind."

Principally, this is seen in the Ross Sea area of Antarctica. Indeed, more than 80% of the
growth trend is focussed on this one region.

Prof Turner said he thought the persistent behaviour of a low-pressure system known as
the Amundsen Sea Low (ASL) was probably at the root of the observed Antarctic trend,
but as to why that was the case - no-one could yet explain.

Jonathan.Amos-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk and follow me on Twitter: @BBCAmos

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29312320

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Siberian snow cover way ahead of schedule – Near record pace
(http://iceagenow.info/2014/10/siberian-snow-cover-schedule-record-pace/)
By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On October 18, 2014 ·

The difference is massive.
Compare snow mapping for October 2013 and October 2014 https://www.facebook.com/WxRisk/photos/p.761950707185523/761950707185523/?type=1


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NSIDC Snow Cover showing Siberian Snow Extent 2004-2014


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Quoting WxRisk, “not only is the SAI way ahead of schedule and at a near record pace BUT the SCE– snow cover extent– is also going Gang busters..”


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Thanks to Caroline Snyder in West Virginia for these links

“And we know that Siberian Ice Extent influences the severity of North American winters,” says Caroline.

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“Huge ice growth surprises climate scientists” … “Like one not seen in decades”! (http://iceagenow.info/2014/10/huge-ice-growth-surprises-climate-scientists-like-decades/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On October 15, 2014 ·

“Looks like they may be hedging their bets a little bit,” says reader. “They say, ‘the recent slowdown in overall solar activity may be playing a major role on the climate.'”

The Austrian online Kronen Zeitung reports:

The huge amount of ice at the poles has surprised climatologists and raises the question: Is global warming taking a pause?

In complete contradiction to predictions of a complete polar melt, there is ice growth like not seen in decades.”

Antarctic ice growth “problem for penguins”
The growth of the ice sheet in Antarctica (South Pole), the habitat of the penguins, is about 16,500 square kilometers per year on average. This is three times the area as compared to the measurements before 2007 and there is no end in sight. The frozen surface of the sea around the Antarctic continent currently has the largest expansion in 35 years. This is a huge problem for penguins because they need open water where they can hunt fish.

“Climate science turned on its head”
Moreover, the Kronen Zeitung mentions the surprise of the National Snow and Ice data Centre (NSIDC) in Colorado concerning the growth in the Arctic:

This development sets global climate research on its head, because all previous IPCC computer models predicted just the opposite.

Contrary to predictions
The Kronen Zeitung then explains how the climate models have failed in that they predicted the very opposite to happen and that some scientists even desperately claimed that the measurements were wrong.

The situation is similar in the Arctic: Even the prestigious BBC predicted not too long ago that the North Pole would be completely ice-free by 2013. But now, even before winter starts properly, a huge ice sheet covers the North Pole, ranging from the islands of Canada to the northern coasts of Russia.

29 percent more ice at the North Pole
Yachting adventurers who wished to sail through the ice-free North had to return empty-handed because of the ice – half the size of Europe – blocked their passage.

Researchers at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder (Colorado) to admit any event that takes a more global warming is global cooling underway. According to their latest data, the cool northern cap has seen an increase of as much as 29 percent!

Max Planck scientists: “colder winters and cooler summers”
At the end of its article, Kronen Zeitung explains how the recent slowdown in overall solar activity may be playing a major role on the climate.

Fewer and fewer sunspots
Since 2006-07 there has been a decline in solar activity as has not been observed since the end of the Little Ice Age, when hardly any sunspots were observed for years. The warming pause may be provided by the sun:

This means that colder winters and cooler summers could again be the future episode, say researchers at the Max Planck Institute.

http://www.sott.net/article/287361-Austrian-daily-reports-Huge-ice-growth-surprises-climate-scientists-Like-one-not-seen-in-decades

Here’s the Austrian Daily article:
http://www.krone.at/Wissen/Eiszuwachs_an_den_Polen_ueberrascht_Klimaforscher-Entgegen_Prognose-Story-419104

Thanks to Tim Kieler and Marc Morano for these links

“Looks like they may be hedging their bets a little bit.,” says Tim. “the recent slowdown in overall solar activity may be playing a major role on the climate.”

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CNN host tries to put him down, but John Coleman rises to the occasion – Video
(http://iceagenow.info/2014/11/cnn-host-put-down-john-coleman-rises-occasion-video/)
By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On November 4, 2014


“There is no global warming,” says Weather Channel founder.

Coleman was defiant on CNN’s Reliable Sources Sunday morning after host Brian Stelter delivered a blatantly biased tirade about the dangers of climate change.

“I resent you calling me a denier, that is a word meant to put me down,” Coleman said. “I’m a skeptic about climate change, not a denier.”

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There is no significant man-made global warming no, said Coleman. There hasn’t been any in the past, and there’s no reason to expect any in the future.

It has become political, but the science is on my side, Coleman continued. The so-called scientific consensus “is bought and paid for.”
Before launching the Weather Channel in the 1980s, John Coleman was the original weatherman on Good Morning America. He has also been a local weatherman in New York, Chicago and San Diego.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-weather-channel-ceo-goes-off-on-cnn-hello-everybody-theres-no-global-warming/
“I just finished watching John Coleman on CNN… he was magnificent,” says meteorologist Joe D’Aleo. “The host was as ignorant and insulting in his opening remarks as you would expect, but John forcefully and intelligently set him straight and refused to be bullied.”
See Joe’s entire commentary:
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
Thanks to Mark Grisso and Joe D’Aleo for these links

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Last Ice Age began in “just months” (http://iceagenow.info/2014/11/ice-age-began-just-months/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On November 19, 2014 · 3 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2014/11/ice-age-began-just-months/#comments)


‘It would be the equivalent of taking Britain and moving it to the Arctic over the space of a few months,’ said geological sciences professor William Patterson, who led the research.

I’ve been saying that ice ages begin in less than 20 years, but this study, published in 2009, found that the last ice age came on far, far faster than that.

Around 12,800 years ago the northern hemisphere was hit by the Younger Dryas mini ice age, or “Big Freeze”, says this article in New Scientist. “It was triggered by the slowdown of the Gulf Stream, led to the decline of the Clovis culture in North America, and lasted around 1300 years.”

“JUST months – that’s how long it took for Europe to be engulfed by an ice age,” the study found.

Professor Patterson scraped off layers of mud just 0.5 mm thick from a lake in Western Ireland. Each layer represented three months of sediment deposition, so he could measure changes in temperature over very short periods.

He found that temperatures had plummeted, with the lake’s plants and animals rapidly dying over just a few months

His findings emerged from one of the most painstaking studies of climate changes ever attempted and reinforce the theory that the earth’s climate can switch between warm and cold incredibly quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427344.800-mini-ice-age-took-hold-of-europe-in-months.html

Thanks to Sonya Porter for this link

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There are climate changes on all planets in our solar system, isn't that a fact on Avalon? And the icecaps are melting on Mars f.i and there's this theory our galaxy has entered into an area of the Universe with higher density, hence the climate changes. This happens in regular cycles that span over wast cycles of time.

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Straight talk from lamestream news....:usa2:

Forbes (article from Forbes mag. Lol, should we be surprised?)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/09/24/alarmists-are-in-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/

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Alarmists Are In Way Over Their Heads On Rising Ocean Claims

Fred, what about sea level data? How accurate is that?

There are some considerable problems and uncertainties regarding the ways we collect that data. To do this we use two different methods, tidal gauges and satellite measurements. Much of my particular expertise involves the latter.

There are about two dozen tidal gauge stations in the world, with data going back to the early 1900s which have been used by international tidal gauge network in Liverpool, England. These stations measure relative sea level with respect to coastal land surface. A big problem is that ever since the melting of glacial ice cover from northern continents over several millennia, the land surface has rebounded in some places…a process called “isostatic adjustment”. This is like what a mattress does when you get out of bed, only a whole lot slower. At the same time, many tidal stations have been sinking due to coastal subsidence caused by depletion of groundwater…yes, by humans… that has led to compaction of sediments.

Sea level satellite observations date back only to 1993, which is a very short time to draw trend conclusions. Whereas tidal stations measure the sea level relative to coastal land surface, satellites measure “absolute” sea level independent of vertical coastal surface changes. In this regard, satellites have an inherent advantage over tidal stations, but the figures don’t match up.

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Fox News (yet another reliable source of environmental news :p)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/09/24/alarmists-are-in-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/

What Alarming Sea Level Rise? Observational Data Reveals No Change, Scientist Says


CHICAGO -- Global warming advocates say rising sea levels will soon drown Venice. But a top scientist says they're full of hot air -- and he says he’s got the data to prove it.

In a new scientific paper, Nils-Axel Morner, former emeritus head of the paleogeophysics and geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden, says that observational records from around the world -- locations like the Maldives, Bangladesh, India, Tuvalu and Vanuatu -- show the sea level isn't rising at all.

Morner's research, revealed Monday at the fourth International Conference on Climate Change, demonstrates that there is no “alarming sea level rise” across the globe, and it says a U.N. report warning of coastal cities being deluged by rising waters from melting polar ice caps “is utterly wrong.”

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There are climate changes on all planets in our solar system, isn't that a fact on Avalon? And the icecaps are melting on Mars f.i and there's this theory our galaxy has entered into an area of the Universe with higher density, hence the climate changes. This happens in regular cycles that span over wast cycles of time.

Indeed, it's silly to say that people are behind these changes. :doh:

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But I think it's even sillier to think that there is no glacial melting occuring and that our seas are not rising when all evidence points to the contrary.

This is what the 1%, the PTB, want you to believe! So they hire scientists and pay off universities to write up bogus reports and publish them in their, cough, cough... elite and prestigious journals.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaD3ax2j3Ks

Scientists' Concerns Challenge Conservative Sea-Level Rise Projections

The most sobering evidence of the planet's response to greenhouse gases comes from the fossil record. New evidence scientists are collecting suggests that ice sheets may be more vulnerable than previously believed, which has huge implications for sea level rise.

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I watched a documentary on Swedish TV with a Canadian and Danish researcher visiting Greenland and the speed with which the ice is melting is scary to say the least.

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Disturbing! The Gulf Stream Now Stalling In Two Broken Areas! (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2014/11/disturbing-gulf-stream-now-showing-two.html)
Thursday, 20 November 2014




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By Gary Walton (http://www.thebigwobble.org/)

Are we witnessing the Gulf Stream closing down? Is the cold November in the US just a precursor of what is to come?

A massive snowstorm has wreaked havoc in the north-eastern US and left seven people dead in upstate New York.

After sweeping across the Great Lakes, the storm dumped 5ft (1.5m) of snow in the Buffalo area, with more forecast.

The storm caused seven deaths there - one in a car crash, one trapped in a car and five from heart attacks.

Freezing temperatures were recorded across all 50 US states, including Florida and Hawaii, and there were more deaths elsewhere in the country.

New data from The Earth Wind Map (http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=301.91,27.78,671) and The NOAA Data Satellite (http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/view/#SSTA)both agree and are now showing the Gulf Stream is colder than average in not one area but two!

The huge section in the North Atlantic is still showing colder than average on both website's see links above but more alarming they are also both showing the Gulf itself is now colder than average and this was not the case last month.


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Here are the same pictures as above but taken in October, a month ago, we can clearly see the huge colder than normal area in the North Atlantic however the Gulf itself is shown as slightly warmer than average, a trend for most of the Northern Hemisphere See here (http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/images/high_resolution/104885v1_20141008-Sept2014SSTA-nolabels.png)

First the NOAA satellite image taken on the 27th of October Link here (http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/view/#SSTA?timespan=weekly&date=2014-10-26&lat=-6.25&lon=0&zoom=3)


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And finally here is an old screen grab from the Earth Wind Map from last month, clearly seen is a warmer than average Gulf area!


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A second push of bitterly cold air has blasted its way south and east, bringing extremely cold temperatures for millions of Americans who have already endured nearly a week of January-like chill. There have been more than 350 record lows and record cool highs set, covering 42 states, since Sunday.

On Wednesday morning record lows were broken or tied from New York to New Orleans and more record lows and record cool high temperatures are possible.

With a record cold start to October and November in the US and flooding and storms in Europe we can only imagine what December and January could bring!

Yesterday, coincidentally this post by L A Marzulli dropped into my mail box, it would seem this story is taking on steam!

Is the Gulf Stream Broken? (http://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/is-the-gulf-stream-broken/)

by lamarzulli (http://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/author/lamarzulli/)


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Commentary & Analysis by L. A. Marzulli

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/gulf-stream-next-ice-age/
Its origins lie in the Gulf of Mexico and it carries the tropical waters from the Florida Strait to the great banks of the United States, where it heads eastward, carrying its warm waters to the borders of the North Atlantic. As soon as the tropical waters hit the Arctic Ocean, they cool abruptly and plunge towards the abyssal zone to form a loop, known as "thermohaline circulation." Then, like an immense conveyor belt that slows down in the ocean depths, it sets out again southward to rejoin the beginning of the Gulf Stream.

The 24 Most Terrifying Pictures of the Snow in Buffalo, New York http://bzfd.it/1uJZzur (http://t.co/OYmoRfKOlZ)


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Related:

Gulf Stream Stalling?

Gulf Stream Stalling? Colder than average area grows by nearly 300% in two weeks! (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2014/10/gulf-stream-stalling-colder-than.html?utm_source=BP_recent)

Written and analyzed by Gary Walton Just over two weeks ago I posted an article "The Day AfterTomorrow" Is the "Gulf Stream" stalling? a huge...

Harsh Winter? We could be looking at cold temperatures humans shouldn't have to bare and probably ne... (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2014/11/harsh-winter-we-could-be-looking-at.html?utm_source=BP_recent)

Average snow cover extent for the latest month. Remember how evidence was mounting last month that early snowfall was accumulating across...

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Climate Fools
Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM (P)
December 3, 2014
http://drsircus.com/world-news/climate-fools#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=526c4cc653-Article_227&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-526c4cc653-10646942&mc_cid=526c4cc653&mc_eid=41e174c9cd

Dr. Sircus is a member of Avalon, though not an active one. I wish we could have a dialogue with him that would demonstrate to him that the next step in logic is to examine the fact that our secret governments already have technology that could help humanity to survive the coming ice age safely and efficiently, and that this subject is not just a distraction from what the majority of at least fairly awake individuals consider to be THE vital ones, such as climate change.
I don't know for certain that Dr. Sircus feels that way, but I do have a seasoned environmentalist friend who does, and she berates me on occasion quite vociferously for distracting myself with "irrelevant conspiracy theories about extraterrestrials and the so-called Illuminati", when I could be doing something useful like actively protesting "global warming".
What to do? :noidea: I hope we will find out the solutions soon to this dilemma, which I'm certain most Avalonians have had to cope with frequently, in one form or another... Meanwhile, there is some comfort and release in hearing increasingly intelligent rants on at least parts of the overall problem, which is what the following is.


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The past few years have seen their cherished cause of global warming crumbling on all sides. The Copenhagen climate conference, planned to make carbon slaves out of humanity, collapsed in disarray. The Climategate emails scandal confirmed that scientists at the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had distorted key data. The IPCC’s own authority was further rocked by revelations that its more alarmist claims about global warming were based not on science but on the inventions of environmental activists. Even the weather has turned against them, showing that all the computer models based on the assumption that rising CO2 means rising temperatures have got it wrong.

Yet Negotiators from almost every nation on earth are meeting in the Peruvian capital for two weeks to work on drafts for a global climate deal that is supposed to be adopted next year in Paris. The New York Times, proving how dishonest the news is these days, printed, “Even with a deal to stop the current rate of greenhouse gas emissions, scientists warn, the world will become increasingly unpleasant. Without a deal, they say, the world could eventually become uninhabitable for humans.”

Thousands of diplomats will spend these two weeks publically living in a dream world (while spending a fortune in taxpayer’s money) fantasizing about warming. Sadly for them not only is warming not happening on our planet but we are witnessing winter and frigid cold in the summer and fall. Like being caught naked in the cold air, they are vulnerable to a world audience that is being given an experiential lesson in a winter of epic proportion. In the month of November 2014, we had 8977 Record Cold temperatures vs 2022 Record Warm Temperatures.

Their fantasies know no boundaries as they warn that it now may be impossible to prevent the temperature of the planet’s atmosphere from rising by 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. This is the magical tipping point at which the world will be locked into a near-term future of drought, food and water shortages, melting ice sheets, shrinking glaciers, rising sea levels and widespread flooding.



The delegates, all of whom are ignorant about basic science and climatology are being told that there may be no way to prevent the planet’s temperature from rising, given the current level of greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere and the projected rate of emissions expected to continue before any new deal is carried out. While a breach of the 3.6 degree threshold appears inevitable, scientists say the climate negotiators should not give up on their efforts to cut emissions. At stake now, they say, is the difference between a newly unpleasant world and an uninhabitable one.

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The Sun’s conveyor belt is slowing down. Magnetic fields are collapsing and the solar wind is diminishing, thus total solar irradiance is reduced meaning less light gets to our planet to heat it. One does not have to be a rocket scientist, or even be proficient in science, to be able to understand that it is getting colder because there is less heat in the atmosphere. It is getting colder because of global cooling - not warming. However, we might as well live in Rome during Galileo’s time and talk to the Pope about the earth not being the center of the universe. It is global warming no matter how much the planet actually cools. I suggest that global warmers click their shoes together three times and wish upon a magic frog and maybe the sun will hear and start warming back up.

In 2013 it was widely reported that “The vast majority of climate scientists say they're now virtually certain that pollution from fossil fuels has increased global temperatures over the last 60 years.” However in reality you will not find one scientist to dispute the reduced activity that the sun is presenting to us. All they can pretend is that it either does not exist or does not have a place or impact in the weather here on earth, which wouldn’t be true at all.

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The German Herald reported on March 31, 2013, “German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years. It was May of 2013 that the headlines in Forbes Magazine read, “To the Horror of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here.” Scientists, the ones who still have their wits about them, have known for as long as 19 years that the world has been cooling and have predicted exactly where we now are.

Four years ago in 2010, the headlines were, ‘Britain could be heading for coldest winter in 300 years,’ forecasters warned. Average temperature since December 1 has been a perishing –1°C. That makes it the second coldest since records began in 1659. The chilliest on record was 1683-1684, when the average was –1.17°C and the River Thames froze over for two months. But with January and February to come, experts believe Britain could suffer the most freezing cold winter in the last 1,000 years.

As winter has come before its time in the middle of November 2014, evidence for rapid cooling is presenting itself across the entire northern hemisphere. Lake Erie and Lake Michigan water temperatures cooled dramatically in the past week due to the extremely cold arctic air that hit the Great Lakes. Lake Erie now has a current average temperature of 43.9°F, while the 20 year average water temperature for this date is 47.6°F. That is a substantial difference giving us a good idea of how fast things are cooling and how immediate the effect is. All of the lakes are running colder than normal. Blizzard conditions are in effect in Eastern Europe and Turkey and Iran and the list goes on.

Politicians are doing nothing to prepare the human race for a colder planet. No matter what we do it will not amount to much in the face of the cold onslaught that is fated for us earthlings. Faith in Global Warming is collapsing in the face of increasingly obvious cooling, except in Peru where the climate delegates are meeting.

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Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science shows how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. Goddard concludes, “This leaves only two realistic possibilities. The freezing point of water has changed since 1967 US winters are getting colder, and the NCDC adjustments are complete garbage.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l2O-ApE0W8

Apollo 7 astronaut Walter Cunningham says about global warming, “A lot of it is pure nonsense and wishful thinking on the part of the alarmists who are looking for more and more money to fall into their hands.” Lenar Whitney, Louisiana State Representative goes even further stating, “It is perhaps the greatest deception in the history of mankind. Global Warming is designed to give more power to the executive branch, while increasing taxes in a progressive’s dream to regulate every aspect of American life ­ from our light bulbs to our thermostat.”

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Weather.com writes, “NOAA has proven once again that they are the most deceitful “scientific” organization on the planet. I knew when November was turning out as brutal as it was that we could expect some dishonest piece of news to be released by NOAA. I did not expect them to lie on such a massive scale. In a story published by Weather.com, NOAA stated that October 2014 was the warmest on record. I am telling you flat out that it is a huge lie. They are either compulsive liars or just completely inept when it comes to science. In either case, the organization should be stripped of all funding.”

After We Wake Up

We do not have to wait until the glacial sheets gain force and move south to consider the realities of a coming mini ice age. It will be possible for man to survive what has just landed on his doorstep but the spending on energy will be enormous. It is not the human extinction through global warming scenario but the cold difficult to grow food and stay warm scenario. Never in history has there been such a large disconnect between observable reality and reports from press, political and scientific groups who are insisting something is happening that is not.

The modern world was not designed to withstand the encroaching edge of a new ice age. We are only in the first year of a deadly climate change and already we have lost a full month to month and a half of our growing season compared to the recent past. We have already lost crops because the snow and cold came at the end of August catching farmers completely by surprise.

The world is teetering on the edge of financial destruction and massive economic contraction. A cooling planet is not going to help things in terms of economic activity. It would not be any fun fighting increasing cold in the best of times with all the money in the world at our disposal. However, there is no way for seven billion people to live on a quickly cooling planet—hundreds of millions will probably perish starting in populations of grain importing nations first.

Violent climate change is upon us. Many variables play into the climate but one thing is certain “Climate stability has never been a feature of planet earth,” explains R. Timothy Patterson professor and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Centre, Department of Earth Sciences, Carleton University in an article in the Financial Post. "The only constant about climate is change; it changes continually and, at times, quite rapidly. Many times in the past, temperatures were far higher than today, and occasionally, temperatures were colder. As recently as 6,000 years ago, it was about 3 C warmer than now. Ten thousand years ago, while the world was coming out of the thousand-year-long ‘Younger Dryas’ cold episode, temperatures rose as much as 6 C in a decade — 100 times faster than the past century's.”



Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4). Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify. “In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress.

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I have over two hundred pages of information coming out soon in this book that tells a story that will shake our lives on earth. This book will freeze the brains of global warming experts but they do not dare to read anything that might point to the wrongness of their reason. It is too bad for them that they have to live in the same solar system as the rest of us who have no choice but to live at a time when the sun gets sleepy.

The pure ego of global warming will be pricked by the diminishing sun, with the helping hand of volcanoes pouring out record amounts of sun blocking materials high into the atmosphere. Scientists want to help so they have their geoengineering (Chemtrails) and other plans to prevent the world from warming, but they end up adding to the cooling. Ozone loss adds to the cooling as do changes in earth’s orbit around the sun.

It does not help global warming believers to read anything about global cooling for their minds will always go to the exception, to a place where it is hotter than normal. The massive hypnotic conditioning, which is still being delivered at this meeting in Peru, has people blind before the oncoming bus of global cooling.

"The numbers don't lie," said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State. "Greenhouse gases are rising steadily and the cause is fossil fuel burning and other human activities. The globe is warming, ice is melting and our climate is changing as a result." He is right of course CO2 has been rising but it is cooling not warming. Basic science is not a religion of beliefs it is a rational way of looking at our physical universe. It is not just cooling it is cooling rapidly.

Dr. Mark Sircus
Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM (P)
Director International Medical Veritas Association
Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine

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Greenland Ice Melt Geothermal, Not Manmade (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/greenland-ice-melt-is-geothermal-not-manmade.html)

Written by James Edward Kamis, guest post on 29 December 2014.


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Newly released research, primarily from NASA (http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hidden-movements-of-greenland-ice-sheet-runoff-revealed/) and the GFZ German Research Center for Geosciences (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1898.html), indicates that melting of selective Greenland Glaciers is related to geologically induced heat flow, and not manmade atmospheric global warming.

Previous articles posted here (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/evidence-shows-geothermal-activity-linked-to-west-antarctic-ice-melt.html) and here (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/geothermal-heat-and-the-arctic-ocean-sea-ice.html) have documented the effect of geologically induced geothermal heat flow on the West Antarctic continent and Arctic Ocean Ice Sheets. In both cases relatively recent research was used to show natural variations in climate, climate-related events, and warmed from geothermal heat. You can learn more about plate climatology (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/global-warming-plate-climatology-theory.html) and global warming here (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/global-warming-plate-climatology-theory.html).

A summary of the very extensive NASA Greenland Ice Sheet Study shows that Greenland Glacier dynamics are very complex. Certain glaciers are retreating, others are unchanged, and still others are expanding. Additionally, individual glacier dynamics change with time, e.g., advancing for years, then suddenly retreating. In some cases the retreating rates are astounding.

NASA also noted that glaciers melt from both beneath (bottom melting) and on top (surface melting). Extensive bottom melting is thought to be lubricating several glaciers and thereby greatly increasing surface velocity rate. In other words, they flow much quicker, and in many cases, extremely fast.


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Locator Map

The area of greatest and most recent glacier retreat is located in the northeastern portion of Greenland and is associated with a very linear NNE trending bedrock valley termed the Jacobshavn Glacial Valley (see locator map above).

A newly published bedrock topography map of Greenland (see below) shows the prominent Jacobshavn valley topographic low. This valley extends miles into the Greenland continent and is shown as a fault-controlled valley due in large part to its very narrow and linear geometry. Additionally the NNE trend of this valley mimics the NNE trend of known Greenland fault trends such as those shown in the Nuuk Region.


http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/images/pics7/topographic_map.jpg (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/images/pics7/topographic_map.jpg)


The northeastern quadrant of Greenland, and most importantly the Jacobshavn Valley, is in close proximity to the southern terminus of the Mid Arctic Rift System (see Locator Map). Other scientists have taken this as strong evidence that this part of Greenland is faulted and more tectonically active than most other portions of Greenland. Recent seismic activity in this region supports this notion.

The movement of the Jacobshavn Glacier in the Jacobshavn Valley is of great interest. NASA’s Study shows that this glacier was flowing very slowly down the valley and at the same time started gaining ice mass until 1998. At that point, it quickly started flowing down the valley while simultaneously losing large amounts of ice mass.


http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/images/pics7/jacobshavn_valley.jpg (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/images/pics7/jacobshavn_valley.jpg)


This rapid change in Jacobshavn Glacier flow rate is illustrated on the NASA map above as a unique and a very linear trend that fits the topographic expression of the Jacobshavn Valley.

It is clear that the Jacobshavn Valley is geologically fault bounded, and has recently become geothermally active. All the data and observations fit this notion, so a sudden increase in fault-related heat flow would cause bottom melting of the glacier.

In addition to bottom shrinking of the glacier and thereby down-faulting (sliding) into the valley, this bottom melting also generates a basal layer of liquid water that acts as a lubricant to speed up the glacial flow.

Also of significant relevance to the geologically induced geothermal heat flow of Greenland is a recently published research project by the GFZ German Research Center for Geosciences.

“At the Earth’s surface, heat fluxes from the interior1 (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1898.html#ref1) are generally insignificant compared with those from the Sun and atmosphere2 (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1898.html#ref2), except in areas permanently blanketed by ice. Modelling studies show that geothermal heat flux influences the internal thermal structure of ice sheets and the distribution of basal melt water3 (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1898.html#ref3), and it should be taken into account in planning deep ice drilling campaigns and climate reconstructions4 (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1898.html#ref4). Here we use a coupled ice–lithosphere model driven by climate and show that the oldest and thickest part of the Greenland Ice Sheet is strongly influenced by heat flow from the deep Earth. We find that the geothermal heat flux in central Greenland increases from west to east due to thinning of the lithosphere, which is only about 25–66% as thick as is typical for terrains of early Proterozoic age5 (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n9/full/ngeo1898.html#ref5). Complex interactions between geothermal heat flow and glaciation-induced thermal perturbations in the upper crust over glacial cycles lead to strong regional variations in basal ice conditions, with areas of rapid basal melting adjoining areas of extremely cold basal ice. Our findings demonstrate the role that the structure of the solid Earth plays in the dynamics of surface processes.”

The recent discovery of two Sub-Glacial Freshwater Lakes beneath the Greenland Continental Ice Sheet is highly significant.


http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/images/pics7/subglacial_lakes_greenland.jpg (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/images/pics7/subglacial_lakes_greenland.jpg)


Although not interpreted as being related to geothermal heat by the authors, it is clear that geothermal heat is the most likely cause. The two lakes are located in the north central portion of Greenland beneath 1500 feet of ice and 30 miles from the ice-free edge. They each cover an area of five square miles, and most importantly, are oriented in the NNE linear trend, a fault-riddled area.

The evidence for geologically induced geothermal heat flow on the Greenland continent shows that recent reports from NASA on Greenland ice melt from global warming are premature and ill informed. Consider this:


Glaciers do not melt uniformly as would be expected from atmospheric global warming, rather the melting and advancing of the glacial is complex and therefore more likely associated with geological forces.
The most significant and most recent glacial melting occurs in what is likely a geologically faulted linear valley that is theorized to have increased heat flow.
Sub-glacial freshwater lakes have been identified.
Newly released research by other scientists agree that geothermal forces are active in Greenland

James Edward Kamis is a Geologist and AAPG member of 40 years and has always been fascinated by the probable connection between Geology and Climate. Years of research / observation have convinced him that the Earth’s Heat Flow Engine, which drives the outer crustal plates, is also an important driver of the Earth’s climate. To contact James, please use our Contact Us (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/contact-us.html) page.

[Hervé]

Greenland Breaks Record For One Day Ice Mass Gain (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/14/greenland-breaks-record-for-one-day-ice-mass-gain/)

Posted on December 14, 2014 (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/14/greenland-breaks-record-for-one-day-ice-mass-gain/)
by stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/author/stevengoddard/)

The Greenland ice sheet has gained record amounts of ice this season (300 billion tons) with a record one day accumulation of 12 billion tons in mid-September.


https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/screenhunter_5188-dec-14-05-36.gif?w=640&h=603 (https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/screenhunter_5188-dec-14-05-36.gif)


Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI (http://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/)


Experts say that Greenland is melting down, and is going to drown us all.

[jackovesk]

I think we must have some kind of ((Pole-Shift)) we as per usual are not being told about...:)

Hell, even over the last 2 nights in the Australian Cricket (Big Bash) League we had numerous bowlers slipping over for no apparent reason...:)

If you look carefully you can ((see the earth move)) just before Jake Reed bowls his delivery...:scared:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF6QPNeumso

PS - Jake preceded to do this on no less than 5 separate instances and after the match was asked the question...

Reporter: "What happened out there..?"

Jake's Reply: "Bloody Pole-Shifts, get me all the time..!" :faint:

:yo:

:focus:

[Hervé]

Mid-ocean ridge eruptions as a climate valve
Maya Tolstoy

Abstract:
Seafloor eruption rates, and mantle melting fueling eruptions, may be influenced by sea-level and crustal loading cycles at scales from fortnightly to 100 kyr. Recent mid-ocean ridge eruptions occur primarily during neap tides and the first 6 months of the year, suggesting sensitivity to minor changes in tidal forcing and orbital eccentricity. An ~100kyr periodicity in fast-spreading seafloor bathymetry, and relatively low present-day eruption rates, at a time of high sea-level and decreasing orbital eccentricity suggest a longer term sensitivity to sea-level and orbital variations associated with Milankovitch cycles. Seafloor spreading is considered a small but steady contributor of CO2 to climate cycles on the 100 kyr time scale, however this assumes a consistent short-term eruption rate. Pulsing of seafloor volcanic activity may feed back into climate cycles, possibly contributing to glacial/inter-glacial cycles, the abrupt end of ice ages, and dominance of the 100 kyr cycle.



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The research for this paper was funded in large part by the U.S. National Science Foundation.

Copies of the paper, “Mid-ocean ridge eruptions as a climate valve” are available from the author, or the Earth Institute press office. (I have a request in for a copy and will post excerpts when it is supplied -Anthony Update: The author kindly provided a pre-print copy, linked below, plus a selected figure, note the uptick in the present)


The paper: Tolstoy_inpress_GRL_2015 (https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tolstoy_inpress_grl_2015.pdf) (PDF)

Tolstoy figure 3A:

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tolstoy_figure3a.jpg?w=720 (https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tolstoy_figure3a.jpg)



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The above is the main source paper for this article:

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Inconvenient study: Seafloor volcano pulses may alter climate – models may be wrong (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/05/inconvenient-study-seafloor-volcano-pulses-may-alter-climate-models-may-be-wrong/)

Anthony Watts (http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/wattsupwiththat/) / 20 hours ago (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/05/inconvenient-study-seafloor-volcano-pulses-may-alter-climate-models-may-be-wrong/)

February 5, 2015 (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/05/inconvenient-study-seafloor-volcano-pulses-may-alter-climate-models-may-be-wrong/)
New data show strikingly regular patterns, from weeks to eons


https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/seafloor-volcanoes.jpg?w=720&h=622 (https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/seafloor-volcanoes.jpg)
This topographic map of Earth’s ocean floor in the Atlantic ocean reveals thousands of sub-oceanic volcanoes along the mid-Atlantic ridge. Source: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/346/6205/32.summary

From The Earth Institute at Columbia University:
Vast ranges of volcanoes hidden under the oceans are presumed by scientists to be the gentle giants of the planet, oozing lava at slow, steady rates along mid-ocean ridges. But a new study shows that they flare up on strikingly regular cycles, ranging from two weeks to 100,000 years–and, that they erupt almost exclusively during the first six months of each year. The pulses–apparently tied to short- and long-term changes in earth’s orbit, and to sea levels–may help trigger natural climate swings.

Scientists have already speculated that volcanic cycles on land emitting large amounts of carbon dioxide might influence climate; but up to now there was no evidence from submarine volcanoes. The findings suggest that models of earth’s natural climate dynamics, and by extension human-influenced climate change, may have to be adjusted. The study appears this week in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

“People have ignored seafloor volcanoes on the idea that their influence is small–but that’s because they are assumed to be in a steady state, which they’re not,” said the study’s author, marine geophysicist Maya Tolstoy of Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. “They respond to both very large forces, and to very small ones, and that tells us that we need to look at them much more closely.” A related study by a separate team this week in the journal Science bolsters Tolstoy’s case by showing similar long-term patterns of submarine volcanism in an Antarctic region Tolstoy did not study.

Volcanically active mid-ocean ridges crisscross earth’s seafloors like stitching on a baseball, stretching some 37,000 miles. They are the growing edges of giant tectonic plates; as lavas push out, they form new areas of seafloor, which comprise some 80 percent of the planet’s crust. Conventional wisdom holds that they erupt at a fairly constant rate–but Tolstoy finds that the ridges are actually now in a languid phase. Even at that, they produce maybe eight times more lava annually than land volcanoes. Due to the chemistry of their magmas, the carbon dioxide they are thought to emit is currently about the same as, or perhaps a little less than, from land volcanoes–about 88 million metric tons a year. But were the undersea chains to stir even a little bit more, their CO2 output would shoot up, says Tolstoy.

Some scientists think volcanoes may act in concert with Milankovitch cycles–repeating changes in the shape of earth’s solar orbit, and the tilt and direction of its axis–to produce suddenly seesawing hot and cold periods. The major one is a 100,000-year cycle in which the planet’s orbit around the sun changes from more or less an annual circle into an ellipse that annually brings it closer or farther from the sun. Recent ice ages seem to build up through most of the cycle; but then things suddenly warm back up near the orbit’s peak eccentricity. The causes are not clear.

Enter volcanoes. Researchers have suggested that as icecaps build on land, pressure on underlying volcanoes also builds, and eruptions are suppressed. But when warming somehow starts and the ice begins melting, pressure lets up, and eruptions surge. They belch CO2 that produces more warming, which melts more ice, which creates a self-feeding effect that tips the planet suddenly into a warm period. A 2009 paper from Harvard University says that land volcanoes worldwide indeed surged six to eight times over background levels during the most recent deglaciation, 12,000 to 7,000 years ago. The corollary would be that undersea volcanoes do the opposite: as earth cools, sea levels may drop 100 meters, because so much water gets locked into ice. This relieves pressure on submarine volcanoes, and they erupt more. At some point, could the increased CO2 from undersea eruptions start the warming that melts the ice covering volcanoes on land?

That has been a mystery, partly because undersea eruptions are almost impossible to observe. However, Tolstoy and other researchers recently have been able to closely monitor 10 submarine eruption sites using sensitive new seismic instruments. They have also produced new high-resolution maps showing outlines of past lava flows. Tolstoy analyzed some 25 years of seismic data from ridges in the Pacific, Atlantic and Arctic oceans, plus maps showing past activity in the south Pacific.

The long-term eruption data, spread over more than 700,000 years, showed that during the coldest times, when sea levels are low, undersea volcanism surges, producing visible bands of hills. When things warm up and sea levels rise to levels similar to the present, lava erupts more slowly, creating bands of lower topography. Tolstoy attributes this not only to the varying sea level, but to closely related changes in earth’s orbit. When the orbit is more elliptical, Earth gets squeezed and unsqueezed by the sun’s gravitational pull at a rapidly varying rate as it spins daily–a process that she thinks tends to massage undersea magma upward, and help open the tectonic cracks that let it out. When the orbit is fairly (though not completely) circular, as it is now, the squeezing/unsqueezing effect is minimized, and there are fewer eruptions.

The idea that remote gravitational forces influence volcanism is mirrored by the short-term data, says Tolstoy. She says the seismic data suggest that today, undersea volcanoes pulse to life mainly during periods that come every two weeks. That is the schedule upon which combined gravity from the moon and sun cause ocean tides to reach their lowest points, thus subtly relieving pressure on volcanoes below. Seismic signals interpreted as eruptions followed fortnightly low tides at eight out of nine study sites. Furthermore, Tolstoy found that all known modern eruptions occur from January through June. January is the month when Earth is closest to the sun, July when it is farthest–a period similar to the squeezing/unsqueezing effect Tolstoy sees in longer-term cycles. “If you look at the present-day eruptions, volcanoes respond even to much smaller forces than the ones that might drive climate,” she said.

Daniel Fornari, a senior scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution not involved in the research, called the study “a very important contribution.” He said it was unclear whether the contemporary seismic measurements signal actual lava flows or just seafloor rumbles and cracking. But, he said, the study “clearly could have important implications for better quantifying and characterizing our assessment of climate variations over decadal to tens to hundreds of thousands of years cycles.”

Edward Baker, a senior ocean scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said, “The most interesting takeaway from this paper is that it provides further evidence that the solid Earth, and the air and water all operate as a single system.”

[Hervé]

Arctic seafloor afire with lava-spewing volcanoes (http://iceagenow.info/2015/02/arctic-seafloor-afire-lava-spewing-volcanoes/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On February 9, 2015 · 6 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2015/02/arctic-seafloor-afire-lava-spewing-volcanoes/#comments)

The scale and magnitude of the explosive activity dwarfs anything seen on other mid-ocean ridges.

Judging by the amount of gas and molten lava blasting out of underwater volcanoes near the North Pole, the Arctic seafloor is geologically explosive. Literally.

“Explosive volatile discharge has clearly been a widespread, and ongoing, process,” according to an international team that sent unmanned probes to the scalding waters far beneath the Arctic ice.

Red-hot magma blows off the tops of dozens of submarine volcanoes
The team found that red-hot magma has been rising from deep inside the earth and blown the tops off dozens of submarine volcanoes, four km (2.4 miles) below the ice. “Jets or fountains of material were probably blasted one, maybe even two, km (.6 to 1.2 miles) up into the water,” says geophysicist Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, who led the expedition.

Imagine the explosive power it took to overcome water pressure that far down. According one estimate, the water pressure where the Titanic came to rest – about 2.5 miles below the surface – is more than 6,500 pounds per square inch (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrTccMeI9lUcD0AkywnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzY3Nia2wzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1lIUzA wMl8x?qid=20120417095425AAV50yc). Imagine the force that could propel volcanic debris more than a mile upward through that kind of pressure.


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The team sent three unmanned probes down through the ice to explore a small stretch of the Gakkel Ridge where a swarm of undersea earthquakes had occurred in 1999.

The probes, one of which was able to manuever just two to five meters (7 to 16 feet) above the ocean floor, discovered evidence of remarkable under-sea eruptions. They found dozens of distinctive flat-topped volcanoes whose eruptions had scattered a layer of dark, smoky volcanic glass across the seabed.

Dwarfs anything we’ve seen on other mid-ocean ridges
“The scale and magnitude of the explosive activity that we’re seeing here dwarfs anything we’ve seen on other mid-ocean ridges,” says Sohn, who studies ridges around the world. The volume of gas and lava that appears to have blasted out of the Gakkel volcanoes is “much, much higher” than that seen at other ridges.

Huge volumes of CO2 gas


http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Black_smokers.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Black_smokers.jpg)
Black smoker


The scientists say the heat released by the explosions is not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice, but Sohn says the huge volumes of CO2 gas that belched out of the undersea volcanoes likely contributed to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. How much, he couldn’t say.

“I had the impression this whole central volcano area was oozing warm fluid,” says Henrietta Edmonds of the University of Texas, who was on the expedition tracking the plumes of warm waters rising from the spreading ridge. The plumes point to the presence of “gushing black smokers” as well as microbial and other forms of life that can thrive in scalding, mineral-rich waters that percolates out of spreading ridges, opines Edmonds.

“Not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice”?
How in the world can they say that underwater volcanoes are “not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice”?

Measuring some 1,800 km (1,100 miles) long, the Gakkel Ridge is made up of mile after mile after mile of huge underwater volcanoes. This chain of underwater volcanoes is far mightier than the Alps, which measure “only” 1,200 km (750 mi.) long. The entire chain of submarine volcanoes certainly dwarfs the miniscule 30 km- (18-mile-) long area that these scientists explored.

How many of these huge volcanoes are active? No one seems to know (or at least we’re not being told about it).

What is clear, however, is that this is not an isolated incident. I posted an article about the Gakkel Ridge back in 2006 entitled “Underwater volcanic activity in the Arctic Ocean far stronger than anyone imagined (http://www.iceagenow.com/Volcanoes_in_Arctic_Ocean.htm).”

In that article, I described the findings of the Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition (AMORE), which included scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and other international institutions.

Magmatism “dramatically” higher than expected
The scientists had expected that the Gakkel ridge would exhibit “anemic” magmatism. Instead, they found “surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the West and the East of the ridge and one of the strongest hydrothermal activities ever seen at mid-ocean ridges.” Indeed, magmatism was “dramatically” higher than expected.

Hydrothermal hot springs on the seafloor were also far more abundant than predicted.

“We expected this to be a hydrothermally dead ridge, and almost every time our water measurement instrument came up, they showed evidence of hydrothermal activity, and once we even ‘saw’ an active hot spring on the sea floor,” said Dr. Jonathan Snow, the leader of the research group from the Max Planck Institute.
So let me ask you something. These volcanoes are pumping out 2,100-degree-hot basalt and scalding hot water, and yet we are to believe that they are “not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice”?

C’mon. Let’s get real.

Could answer one question that scientists have pondered for years.
In fact, these underwater volcanoes could answer one question that scientists have been asking for years.

During the last ice age, even though much of Canada was buried beneath one to two miles of ice, studies have shown that ice cover on the Arctic Ocean remained essentially the same as today. No one has been able to explain why. I think underwater volcanic activity on the Gakkel Ridge can provide that missing explanation.

See entire article, “Study finds Arctic seabed afire with lava-spewing volcanos”:

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=81bb2fd3-63f1-476f-b0be-f48c0dc90304

Thanks to E Hughes for this link

* This article was published on Canada.com and in the journal Nature, on June 26, 2008. Unfortunately, I did not become aware of it until now. It is apparently of no interest to the mainstream media.Comments:

captainfish says: February 9, 2015 at 8:39 pm (http://iceagenow.info/2015/02/arctic-seafloor-afire-lava-spewing-volcanoes/#comment-284320)

“The scientists say the heat released by the explosions is not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice, but Sohn says the huge volumes of CO2 gas that belched out of the undersea volcanoes likely contributed to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases”…..

Ummmmm.. so massive dumps of heat and magma have no impact whatsoever on the region, but the exuded CO2 does?

BWWAAHAAHAHHHAHAHAAAAA

[Hervé]

For the record:

http://vivredemain.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/recc81chauffement-climat.jpg

[Hervé]

New official Canadian government map shows sea ice gains in Arctic (http://iceagenow.info/2015/04/official-canadian-government-map-shows-sea-ice-gains-arctic/)

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On April 20, 2015 ·
The updated map, unveiled this week by Natural Resources Canada, shows what appears to be more Arctic sea ice than its 2006 predecessor, despite warnings about global warming accelerating the loss of sea ice.


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Arctic Sea Ice Map – 2014-

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Arctic-Sea-Ice-2006.png (http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Arctic-Sea-Ice-2006.png)
Arctic Sea Ice Map – 2006

Why the difference? The 2014 map adopts a new way of representing sea ice, explained Yvan Désy, director of the Canada Centre for Remote Sensing.

The revised methodology follows international standards, with data for the map supplied by Environment Canada’s Canadian Ice Service.

More sea ice due to 30-year median analysis
The 2014 map is based on a median level of ice for the month of September over 30 years, when sea ice typically reaches its seasonal low. The period analyzed was between 1981-2010.

By comparison, the previous map only accounted for the permanent polar ice, said Denis Dubé, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service.

Previous representation of only the polar ice was “more fictitious”
In a way, the previous representation of only the polar ice was “more fictitious,” said Dubé, because that level of ice coverage — effectively a “minimum of minimums” — would not be seen year to year.

Some critics denounced the new official map as employing a bit of cartographic “fakery.”

See larger interactive map
http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/arctic-ice-2006-2014-1.3037627

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/arctic-sea-ice-gains-can-be-seen-on-new-government-map-of-canada-1.3036224

Thanks to Garnet Lynne for these links

[Hervé]

Global Warming is dead: NASA satellites show polar ice caps growing instead of receding (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/)

James Taylor, Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/), Tue, 19 May 2015 15:25 UTC



http://www.sott.net/image/s12/249169/large/polar_ice.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s12/249169/full/polar_ice.jpg)
NASA satellite measurements show the polar ice caps have not retreated at all.


Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth's polar ice caps have not receded at all since the satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global warming claims - that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.

The timing of the 1979 NASA satellite instrument launch could not have been better for global warming alarmists. The late 1970s marked the end of a 30-year cooling trend. As a result, the polar ice caps were quite likely more extensive than they had been since at least the 1920s. Nevertheless, this abnormally extensive 1979 polar ice extent would appear to be the "normal" baseline when comparing post-1979 polar ice extent.

Updated NASA satellite data (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg) show the polar ice caps remained at approximately their 1979 extent until the middle of the last decade. Beginning in 2005, however, polar ice modestly receded for several years. By 2012, polar sea ice had receded by approximately 10 percent from 1979 measurements. (Total polar ice area - factoring in both sea and land ice - had receded by much less than 10 percent, but alarmists focused on the sea ice loss as "proof" of a global warming crisis.)

NASA satellite measurements show the polar ice caps have not retreated at all.

A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe. Al Gore even predicted (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html) the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.

During the modest decline in 2005 through 2012, the media presented a daily barrage of melting ice cap stories. Since the ice caps rebounded - and then some - how have the media reported the issue?

The frequency of polar ice cap stories may have abated, but the tone and content has not changed at all. Here are some of the titles of news items I pulled yesterday from the front two pages of a GoogleNews search for "polar ice caps":

"Climate change is melting more than just the polar ice caps (http://michiganradio.org/post/climate-change-melting-more-just-polar-ice-caps)"

"2020: Antarctic ice shelf could collapse (http://www.catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=60541)"

"An Arctic ice cap's shockingly rapid slide into the sea (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/01/23/an-arctic-ice-caps-shockingly-rapid-slide-into-the-sea/)"

"New satellite maps show polar ice caps melting at 'unprecedented rate' (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/satellite_mapping_shows_ice_caps_faster_melt_rate_20140901)"

The only Google News items even hinting that the polar ice caps may not have melted so much (indeed not at all) came from overtly conservative websites. The "mainstream" media is alternating between maintaining radio silence on the extended run of above-average polar ice and falsely asserting the polar ice caps are receding at an alarming rate.

To be sure, receding polar ice caps are an expected result of the modest global warming we can expect in the years ahead. In and of themselves, receding polar ice caps have little if any negative impact on human health and welfare, and likely a positive benefit by opening up previously ice-entombed land to human, animal, and plant life. Nevertheless, polar ice cap extent will likely be a measuring stick for how much the planet is or is not warming.

The Earth has warmed modestly since the Little Ice Age ended a little over 100 years ago, and the Earth will likely continue to warm modestly as a result of natural and human factors. As a result, at some point in time, NASA satellite instruments should begin to report a modest retreat of polar ice caps. The modest retreat - like that which happened briefly from 2005 through 2012 - would not be proof or evidence of a global warming crisis. Such a retreat would merely illustrate that global temperatures are continuing their gradual recovery from the Little Ice Age. Such a recovery - despite alarmist claims to the contrary - would not be uniformly or even on balance detrimental to human health and welfare. Instead, an avalanche of scientific evidence indicates recently warming temperatures have significantly improved human health and welfare (http://blog.heartland.org/2014/03/benefits-of-global-warming-greatly-exceed-costs-new-study-says/), just as warming temperatures have always done.

[Wind]

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[Wind]

The data isn't lying, the real one I mean (which we can also witness with our own eyes and ears).

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Arctic global warming research expedition put on hold – Too much ice (http://iceagenow.info/2015/07/arctic-global-warming-research-expedition-put-on-hold-too-much-ice/)

by Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) July 22, 2015 (http://iceagenow.info/2015/07/arctic-global-warming-research-expedition-put-on-hold-too-much-ice/)



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22 July 2015 – A carefully planned, 115-day scientific expedition on the Canadian icebreaker CCGS Amundsen has been put on hold as the vessel was called to help resupply ships navigate heavy ice on the eastern side of Hudson Bay.

“Obviously it has a large impact on us,” says Martin Fortier, executive director of ArcticNet, which coordinates research on the vessel. “It’s a frustrating situation.”

During the summer, ArcticNet utilizes the Amundsen as a floating research center, running experiments 24 hours a day.

Worst ice conditions in 20 years
Johnny Leclair, assistant commissioner for the Coast Guard, said Tuesday conditions in the area are the worst he’s seen in 20 years.

With only two icebreakers available in the Arctic — the CCGS Pierre Radisson has been escorting resupply ships through ice-choked Frobisher Bay (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ice-conditions-hold-up-resupply-of-iqaluit-east-hudson-bay-1.3161723) — he said the only option was to re-deploy the Amundsen

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ccgs-amundsen-re-routed-to-hudson-bay-to-help-with-heavy-ice-1.3162900?cmp=rss

Thanks to Jim S and Laurel for this link

Notes: In the above photo, the CCGS Pierre Radisson escorts an oil tanker through the ice to Iqaluit on July 17, where heavy ice has delayed this summer’s annual resupply. Photo courtesy Canadian Dept. of Fisheries & Oceans (DFO)

According to their website, “the objective of ArcticNet (http://www.arcticnet.ulaval.ca/) is to study the impacts of climate change and modernization in the coastal Canadian Arctic.”


Related:
Arctic sea ice much more resilient than previously thought (http://iceagenow.info/2015/07/arctic-sea-ice-much-more-resilient-than-previously-thought/)

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It has been cooling for 7,000 years – Must-see video (http://iceagenow.info/2015/08/it-has-been-cooling-for-7000-years-must-see-video/)

August 17, 2015 (http://iceagenow.info/2015/08/it-has-been-cooling-for-7000-years-must-see-video/) Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/)

“We are in the midst of a perfectly, perfectly natural cycle,” says David Dilley, former NOAA meteorologist.


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Seven thousand years ago there was 50 percent less ice in the Arctic than there is today, says Dilley. It has been cooling ever since, and it’s about to get worse.

The recent cold winters and expanding polar ice caps are ominous signs of a global cooling that has already begun, says Dilley. Instead of warming, we need to worry about the coming 125-year cool period, which has already begun.

I ran this video a few days ago. If you haven’t seen it you must, MUST watch it. It will scare the pants off you.


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In this must-see 49-minute video presentation – “Is Climate Change Dangerous? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4hbKF5-qUE&feature=youtu.be)“- Mr. Dilley, CEO and senior research scientist at Global Weather Oscillations, Inc., explains why we need to focus on the real problem of a coming cooling.

During a glacial period you will have ice all the way down to Cape Cod, Massachusetts, says Dilley. During the last ice age, Central New England had ice a mile thick year round.

Dilley, who has forty-two years of professional experience in meteorology and climatology, was with NOAA for twenty of those years.

The government is wrong with its claims of a coming warming, says Dilley, who accuses the federal government of fiddling with global temperature data thereby producing a false picture of what is going on.

Here are the points he makes in the video:

1. The 18+ years temperature pause is real. (4.09)
2. Natural cycles are behind the current pause.
3. Ice cores show CO2 lags temperature. (5.00)
4. 7000 years ago there was 50% less Arctic ice. (8.20)
5. The 1000-year cycle is real. (9.20)
6. Planet has been cooling over past 10,000 years. (9.34)
7. Natural cycles are driving our climate. (10.04)
8. Shows cooling from 2023 to 2150.
9. Current warming is perfectly natural.
10. Milankovitch cycles driving large-scale cycles. (13.00)
11. Gravitational forces can bulge Earth’s core by 1.4 km (15.35)
12. Gravitational forces impact global temperature (17.20)
13. Warming and cooling both begin at the poles (17.48)
14. Arctic warming/melt was caused by warm ocean pulses (19.50)
15. “Now starting to see a dramatic cooling in the Arctic“. (22.50)
16. “Arctic is cooling rapidly now. Rapidly!” (24.06)
17. Both poles are cooling rapidly now. (25.05(
18. Poles don’t show signs of warming. (26.30)
19. Western drought and Eastern cold due to 26-year cycle. (27.55)
20. Polar vortices due to Arctic/global cooling. (29.25)
21. Lunar cycles correlated with warming/cooling cycles. (31.30)
22. Rapid global cooling by 2019. (32.00)
23. “Temperature fiddling…more political than anything”. (32.56)
24. “Could be the biggest scientific scandal ever”. (33.20)
25. IPCC using “estimated temperatures”. (34.00)
26. How the government manipulated, rewrote data. (36.00)
27. “This is temperature fiddling.” Not the truth. (36.45)
28. NASA, NOAA’s “politically driven press releases”. (37.00)
29. Met Office calls NOAA’s 2014 claim untrue. (38.00)
30. Major data fiddling, cheating by NOAA. (39.50)
31. “The 97% consensus is bogus”. (41.00)
32. John Cook cooked the consensus data. (41.30)
33. 85% meteorologists say climate change is natural. (42.20)
34. Global cooling is the real danger. (43.20)
35. Volcanoes and cooling often correlated. (44.00)
36. Crop failures from cooling “very likely”. (45.45)
37. “Extremely cold” from 2025 to 2050. (46.36)
38. Global cooling next 125 years. (47.00)
39. “The cooling is coming”.

http://iceagenow.info/2015/08/extreme-cold-on-the-way-says-former-noaa-meteorologist-video/

Thanks to Andrew Stranglen, Ronald Baker and Salvatore Del Prete for this info

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David Dilley, Global Weather Oscillations (http://www.globalweatheroscillations.com/#%21david-dilley/cpfa)

Visit David’s website at:
www.GlobalWeatherCycles.com (http://www.GlobalWeatherCycles.com)

See also Mr. Dilley’s Free Ebook “Natural Climate Pulse” here:
http://www.globalweatheroscillations.com/#!ebook- (http://www.globalweatheroscillations.com/#%21ebook-%20natural-climate-pulse/cnuz)
natural-climate-pulse/cnuz (http://www.globalweatheroscillations.com/#%21ebook-%20natural-climate-pulse/cnuz)

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Global Warming that Never was this Summer
Posted by Dr Sircus on August 27, 2015
http://drsircus.com/world-news/global-warming-that-never-was-this-summer?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=929e259737-Article_312_8_26_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-929e259737-10646942&mc_cid=929e259737&mc_eid=41e174c9cd
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(Many links to more articles on this subject at the above link)

Exceptional’ cold front blankets Montana, Wyoming peaks with rare July snow, reads the headline in the Washington Post. We even had the first freezing temperature ever recorded for the month of August in Casper Wyoming. Yet from the federal government we hear that the Earth just keeps getting hotter. According to NOOA July was the planet’s warmest month on record, smashing old marks. That is why it has been snowing in July and August in the northern hemisphere and why many places are experiencing record cold.
There was no summer this year in Sweden. In Moscow, it was also cold. In the middle of August, temperatures went down beating long-standing records for cold at this time of year by 5-6 degrees. Global warming was the greatest fantasy every created on earth.
The Washington Times puts it this way, “The U.S. government is at it again, hyping meaningless records in a parameter that does not exist in order to frighten us about something that doesn’t matter. In the final analysis, it is no more meaningful to calculate an average temperature for a whole planet than it is to calculate the average telephone number in the Washington D.C. phone book. Temperature, like viscosity and density, and of course phone numbers, is not something that can be meaningfully averaged. “Global temperature” does not exist.”
It was the coldest August 17th on record in Holland. Finland is having its coldest summer on record. Jan-July was the coldest on record at Bangor, Maine & sixth coldest at Caribou. July was Northern Ireland’s coldest in 22 years. Scotland saw snow in July. The mercury dipped to 47 degrees at Denver International Airport, setting a record low for Aug. 19.
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This is snow in July in California and if you still believe that your federal government has been telling you the truth about climate change notice that Lubbock, Texas, dipped to a new daily record low of 57 ºF on the 19th of August. Oklahoma City dipped to 50ºF degrees the next day, beating its previous record for Aug. 20 of 56 ºF. This was only one degree shy of the all-time record lowfor the entire month of August set in 1915. More cold is on the way!
Frosts in the normally tropical highlands in Papua New Guinea and Solomon Islands was the worst frost to hit the province in 40 years has directly affected 300,000 people. Hundreds of villages face months without food from local gardens being destroyed. Meanwhile Artic Sea ice is at highest extent in last five years. Arctic sea ice has INCREASED in volume by a third in recent years despite warnings that it is melting away, according to a new study. Scientists observed 33 per cent more ice than the average in 2013, and 25 per cent more the year after. Yet NOOA is still selling global warming like hotdogs at a baseball game. They have no shame!
On 22 July a carefully planned, 115-day scientific expedition on the Canadian icebreaker CCGS Amundsen has been put on hold as the vessel was called to help resupply ships navigate heavy ice on the eastern side of Hudson Bay. Worst ice conditions in 20 years due to—you guessed—global warming!
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One does not normally write about coming ice ages in a summer when it has been hotter than hell in some places, and certainly not in the face of a hurricane wind of government backed headlines about this being the warmest year in history. However, like last August, it is snowing in August this year, and we have record-breaking cold in several areas of the world. The mercury dipped to 17.3 degree Celsius in Shanghai on July 6, close to the historic maximum temperature of 15.9 degree Celsius on July 2, 1876. Meaning that was the coldest it has been there in 145 years!
We have a big problem on our hands and it is going to get much worse. Scientists warn that the Earth is just 15 years away from experiencing a "mini ice age" — something that hasn’t happened in 300 years. Researchers in the U.K. created a new model of the Sun’s solar cycles that allows them to make extremely accurate predictions of changes in solar activity like never before.Solar cycles typically last 11 years and during that time, the north and south magnetic poles flip. It looks a lot like a heartbeat when graphed out. We are currently in Cycle 24.
The solar scientists say that the latest model shows the Sun’s magnetic waves will become offset in Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022. Then, in Cycle 26, solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during between 2030 and 2040 causing this "mini ice age".
We have rapid cooling going on at both poles. The world is already beginning to go into a deep freeze and it will get much worse in future years according to real weathermen and real scientists.
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In this must-see 49-minute video presentation – “Is Climate Change Dangerous” Mr. Dilley, CEO and senior research scientist at Global Weather Oscillations, Inc., explains why we need to focus on the real problem of a coming cooling. Dilley, who has forty-two years of professional experience in meteorology and climatology, was with NOAA for twenty of those years.
The government wrong with its claims of a coming warming, says Dilley, who accuses the federal government of fiddling with global temperature data thereby producing a false picture of what is going on. 7whL9jvdL5s
Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM (P)
Director International Medical Veritas Association

Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine