"How To Be a Genius" The cult of Apple

[AriG]

"The manual could easily serve as the Humanity 101 textbook for a robot university"

http://gizmodo.com/5938323/how-to-be-a-genius-this-is-apples-secret-employee-training-manual

They're not even trying to hide it any longer.

[spiritguide]

This model at one level or another is used in most progressive businesses. Just taking negative situations and transforming them into positive experiences.

[ThePythonicCow]

This model at one level or another is used in most progressive businesses. Just taking negative situations and transforming them into positive experiences.

Successful shop keepers have known these things for ages. It's just that in the world of "big business", what comes naturally (from years of experience and some natural talent) to a shop keeper in the past now has to be taught explicitly to the young employees of large retail stores.

[AriG]

Forgive my not qualifying my point in Post 1.

Why is it necessary to teach instinctive human traits to humans? What's missing?

[Carmen]

Well, I for one love an excellent salesperson. I know the 'game' they play, the training is obvious, but if I'm wanting to buy a particular item a good salesman will clinch the deal. A poor salesman or salesperson and I will go elsewhere.

And young people brought up glued to tv, computer games etc have the social skills of morons!! They need training to even begin to interact with customers. Half of them can't even speak!

[crossroader]

Looks like they read "You can't teach a kid to ride a bicycle at a Seminar". The Sandler selling system is big on learning to project empathy to the sales prospect.

[Kano]

Forgive my not qualifying my point in Post 1.

Why is it necessary to teach instinctive human traits to humans? What's missing?

There is certainly a concerted effort to turn humans into robots in every sense of the word but there is also the same concerted effort to attempt to humanize robots, mechanical systems, and otherwise inanimate objects. This imagery can be seen in all corners of pop culture.

This kind of programming makes us humans far more predictable. It is our unpredictability that scares TPTB.

[Flash]

Using empathy is not turning human into robots, it is turning low level human abilities into better ones. ON the path of improvement, family life, friend life, and job life may imporve as well. imho.

The problem arises when salespeople feel forced to be empathetic at all time, when it is not part of their wishes. People with zero or little empathy should just not be in the customer field. And great salespeople with real empathy (meaning really caring for their customer and selling in response to needs, not creating the needs) and 80% closing are very far in between. So training has to be given in order to slowly improve the abilities of quite average people (I mean average here in customer interaction abilities, you could be a genius in computers though). This training is just related to emotional intelligence, which makes you succeed and enjoy being around people.

What I have seen in the article is standard customer service and sales training in medium and large corporations.

You would not imagine the amount of bad customer interactions there is from sales/service people, at all levels. So dos and don'ts have to be taught.

[Mark]

I always walk by the apple store in the mall and wish i was one of them just so i could go in there. Lol its always so bright, open, so many people, kids, everbody looks so happy.

Us pc users are rather a cantankerous lot, i think, for the most part. With our PTB Windows and Microsoft matrix, a good percentage of which can be bought brand new chock-full of trojans and other malware these days, apparently.

They have Jobs the genius and we have Gates the guilty, ready to reduce the world population with the rest of his class by any means necessary.

You have to admit apple is more fantasy, love and lighty and heavenly chorusy than microsoft can ever hope to be. Cooler commercials, sleeker designs and now, we find out their employees are geniuses. Every. Single. One of them. Wow.

Next time im sitting in the mall across from the apple store, sipping on an orange julius, holding my ladys purse and watching the baby, the pull just might be too great and i will have to finally, rapturously, stand up and float into the appleverse to join them in their happy, empathic co-resonance, leaving microsoft and the dour functionality of virus-ridden windows behind.

[Phoenix]

Well, I for one love an excellent salesperson. I know the 'game' they play, the training is obvious, but if I'm wanting to buy a particular item a good salesman will clinch the deal. A poor salesman or salesperson and I will go elsewhere.

And young people brought up glued to tv, computer games etc have the social skills of morons!! They need training to even begin to interact with customers. Half of them can't even speak!

We do have the social skills of morons. My generation is a joke! These people are more comfortable texting one another than speaking right to their face!! Imagine realizing this is you, and trying to reverse this stuff. It's hell.

[Carmen]

Keep at it Phoenix, you'll get there!! It's probably the older generations fault anyway. Tv was a damn fine baby sitter at times!!

Years ago when we had many young people from round the world work on our farm, I especially noticed how sociable and engaging the South African young ones were. They didn't get tv till much later than the rest of the developed world!!

One Israeli guy called Nimrod was hilarious. He always just picked up whatever clothes he saw lying around and wore them. My husband commented to him about this, asking "Was it first up, best dressed on the kubutz, Nimrod?"
Yeah, he said, "kinda was!"

[T Smith]

The irony....

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[AriG]

We do have the social skills of morons. My generation is a joke! These people are more comfortable texting one another than speaking right to their face!! Imagine realizing this is you, and trying to reverse this stuff. It's hell.

Phoenix- Your point of view would be most appreciated. May I ask you about your personal experiences with life instruction at home growing up? Did your caregivers provide social instruction?

[AriG]

From Flash ( technical difficulties this morning)


Using empathy is not turning human into robots, it is turning low level human abilities into better ones. ON the path of improvement, family life, friend life, and job life may imporve as well. imho.

It cannot be disputed that teaching empathy is a positive path. The absence of empathy as trait that was once inherent in our species now requires that corporate entities program their sales force to interact appropriately with their revenue stream. A disconnect between the technical skill set and the interpersonal skill set. How is this happening to a species that evolved a brain with two hemispheres perfectly capable of interacting with and complimenting the other? And when did this happen?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

In my opinion as an Industrial Designer, Apple is scam.

It goes against almost every good design principle I can think about.

1-Their products don´t last. Ipod batteries are planned to last only a couple of years or slightly more. When the batteries die, it´s common to be more expensive to buy another one than to buy another brand new ipod.
Their batteries should be as easy to replace as a regular cellphone battery.

2- Iphones and Ipads frequently can´t survive a fall. Usually, their screens and front glasses break.
Handheld products should be designed to survive falls. It´s part of their jobs. My cheap Nokia cellphone has fallen on the ground countless times and it´s still working; If it was an iphone, it would be useless by now.

3-Every year, they launch a new "innovative" version of their products, with just some very minor changes and convince people to dump their current product and buy a new one. This is a dishonest strategy.
Whenever a product is really good, it doesn´t need to be updated every year.
Apple could, as an example, save those small changes and launch a completely new and really innovative product every five years, which would be much better for the environment and the consumer.

4- They use China´s slave labor system to make their products, where people have terrible working conditions and are really poorly paid. In the Foxconn factory, where they make Apple products, they had to install suicide prevention nets, because a lot of people where killing themselves jumping from the building´s windows. That´s where you iphone comes from.

5- They launch "crippled" versions of their products, to force people to buy the most expensive one.
It makes no sense to make, as an example, an iphone with 16, 32 and 64Gb of memory, while they could just just launch a single one with an open memory card slot, so people could expand their iphone´s memory whenever they feel it´s necessary.

6- Except for their "operational system", which some people consider superior, their computers are often very hard to upgrade, so you have to buy a new one. A regular PC can last for a long time because you can easily upgrade its components. Apple computers are complicated to upgrade.

Apple is all about a strong brand making big money out of planned obsolescence. They use design and branding as a big trap to attracted consumers. Their brand is so strong, that even making inferior products, they´re still breaking selling records every year. This is called brainwashing.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Debra]

Hey Raf, I couldn´t go past this post. Bare with me, will you? ;)


Hey folks,

In my opinion as an Industrial Designer, Apple is scam.

It goes against almost every good design principle I can think about.

Up front, if you were going to talk about a Life Cycle Analysis of their products, then YES, they are not cradle to cradle, they are cradle to grave. Just like any other computer product out there, but I could be wrong.

1-Their products don´t last. Ipod batteries are planned to last only a couple of years or slightly more. When the batteries die, it´s common to be more expensive to buy another one than to buy another brand new ipod.

Well, I have had my iPod for 3 years .. not a problem. No intention of getting a new one either, I have very little problem integrating updates either.

Their batteries should be as easy to replace as a regular cellphone battery.

Sure, and I bet they are working on it. I think they are mindful of customer satisfaction as well and I know quite a few vocal users who give regular feedback, me included :p

2- Iphones and Ipads frequently can´t survive a fall. Usually, their screens and front glasses break.

Well, I have dropped my iPod a few times, nothing untoward has happened, though I have not dropped my iPad (of one year).


Handheld products should be designed to survive falls. It´s part of their jobs. My cheap Nokia cellphone has fallen on the ground countless times and it´s still working; If it was an iphone, it would be useless by now.

[B]Yeah, best phones are Nokia .. simplicity and durability. I agree wholeheartedly.
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3-Every year, they launch a new "innovative" version of their products, with just some very minor changes and convince people to dump their current product and buy a new one. This is a dishonest strategy.

Hmm, dishonest maybe but I think Gates and his microsoft gear is a whole lot more dishonest. Hell, you buy software that is surreptiously designed to force you to buy virus protection and updated software. I cannot tell you how frustrating and expensive it was for me over a 4 year period of buying into PC and microsoft. NEVER AGAIN.


Whenever a product is really good, it doesn´t need to be updated every year.

I think every facet of life is accelerating and upgrading at the moment Raf, and this is just the way it is - in my opinion - computer software and hardware is no different.


Apple could, as an example, save those small changes and launch a completely new and really innovative product every five years, which would be much better for the environment and the consumer.

You have a point there, but I think the market drives this .. and also the consumer. That is an interesting discussion in it self.


4- They use China´s slave labor system to make their products, where people have terrible working conditions and are really poorly paid. In the Foxconn factory, where they make Apple products, they had to install suicide prevention nets, because a lot of people where killing themselves jumping from the building´s windows. That´s where you iphone comes from.

[COLOR="red"]Yes, absolutely, I agree on this. BUT let´s not just smear Apple in the mud because all the big players manufacture off shore ... again, though, what drives this?

5- They launch "crippled" versions of their products, to force people to buy the most expensive one.

Really, can you post some references to this?


It makes no sense to make, as an example, an iphone with 16, 32 and 64Gb of memory, while they could just just launch a single one with an open memory card slot, so people could expand their iphone´s memory whenever they feel it´s necessary.

6- Except for their "operational system", which some people consider superior, their computers are often very hard to upgrade, so you have to buy a new one. A regular PC can last for a long time because you can easily upgrade its components. Apple computers are complicated to upgrade.

I have a 5 year old mac book as part of my computer network and I must say, it has stayed up with what I need it for, which is design work as well .. but of course, I cannot upgrade into the last two generations of leopard and snow with this older model ..

Apple is all about a strong brand making big money out of planned obsolescence. They use design and branding as a big trap to attracted consumers. Their brand is so strong, that even making inferior products, they´re still breaking selling records every year. This is called brainwashing.

I am not brainwashed, personally. At least I don´t think I am LOL. I love the products, they don´t let me down. I am not putting my hand in my pocket all of the time because they need extra this or extra that --

And I am not pulling my hair out, paying some service centre to fix problems all of the time. I get all itchy thinking about the viruses that came continually with my last dependence on a PC. When that one broke down after only 2.5 years (disgraceful) I vowed NEVER EVER AGAIN.

Once you have a mac, you never look back. It´s true.

Cheers,

Zeb.

[AriG]

Ummm. Hmmmm. I love you guys. Really do. Been lurking here before joining for a year. But.... this thread isn't a technical thread about the virtue of mac v pc. I am currently typing this from a mac mini attached to a 60 inch tv. Great combination. Have two I phones ( v3 and v4) an IPad as well. Purchased a macbook in 2002. They're great products. I have a pc that is storing loads of files that I cannot currently access due to crash and burn. Mac if a far superior product. Period dot. Full stop.

Now, why exactly do you think that people are no longer equipped to manage interpersonal relationships and utilize both hemispheres of their brain? When did they lose their humanity? And why?

XOXO

[Carmody]

IMO, apple is only a superior product, if no real technical ability abounds and one lives in scripted environments. the kind of people who lift the hood on a car and see the equivalent of gobbledegook. when i open the hood of a car, I want to re-address even the design of the alloys and metals, never mind their function and the rest of it. (and I'm capable of it)

I'm a PC guy from the days of 2mhz Zilog Z-80's and such. barely after punch-cards... and when 5 1/4 " floppies where just being introduced (we had 8" floppies, now that is a sight, I tell you). 300 baud modems, tape drives,and so on. 'Commodore Pet' (and similar) was state of the consumer art.

This is nuts and bolts, the kind of stuff that can be hammered into any shape, there is no script. True, one must still do their own scripting to some degree, but I'll be damned if i move to some piece of hardware that has limited apps and nothing is accessible due to closed or limited architecture. it's a trap! a dead end..waiting to expose itself. Too specialized, not enough depth.

The single voice of apple, is a cult, a religious experience. Which studies that performed Cat scans on apple users...science found this aspect to be exactly true. That the part of the brain that was excited when people underwent religious experiences.... was the same component of the mind that was excited when apple lovers where introduced to a new apple product. the vast majority (of apple users)have no capacity to identify with said nuts and bolts so the experience is remote, like that of communion with god. Well, it's a psychological and physiological trick, based on the disconnect to what is really going on.

http://www.newsy.com/videos/the-book-of-jobs-apple-stimulate-religious-experience/

To make a slightly rude comparison, they are less the engineer and mechanic and more the hairdresser and telephone washer.

:)

[KiwiElf]

LOL - half of what you claim Raf, would apply to most products, not just Apple. I've used both PC & Apple Products for over 25 years and its a no-brainer: I'll take Apple any day!

[Carmody]

They've gone after android and the like.... as it took on the visual and useability slickness of apple... but left the mutability of the PC - in. A hyper critical point/mix.

That is a huge threat for apple. And, IMO, it's the place it should go. (the computing world)

But the guys like me, who know how to design the metals for a semi conductor, who took assembler language classes and then C+ and C++, and so on..who know (or knew -faded classes, course, use and skills) every inch of how these things work, even the glass..those folks are now very few on the ground.

And when we get that far from our hardware, when the complexity can do nothing but create remote species of extreme specialization, then we are in danger. We are too far from the roots.

Now we have people using HTML and calling themselves programmers. Are you kidding me? These folks have no idea what hardware is. It's ridiculous.

[Flash]

Either you are right Carmody or you are getting old.... lol don't say both, because the 20's years old will just cut of the "being right" and keep the "old". This is why they need training even in non hardware/sorftware know the roots kind of work. They are clueless about behavior towards customers either. They are telephone washer, they do not know the basis in technology although it is imprinted in their brain, and they do not know the basis in relationships because they were plugged in brainless computer usage.

In other terms, we are both getting old and feel the need to have them trained 360 degrees.

You know, when a company feels the need to write down a specific script with given phrases to make sure they learn how to conduct a customer interaction, it is because the situation is getting desperate. I see it daily. Often times, when phoning in for customer service or going in a retail store, I will tell the agent/salesperson what to do to serve me correctly (in a gentle manner). Ex: look on your screen, you must have a field for comments, or you must have a field giving you my previous calls, or the whole conversation is presently taped on your side - did you know, or I would appreciate if you would call me madame, or lets take two minutes, only two (have to be fast, they have no patience and want to text), to look at the advantages of product X and compare with other products advantages, or.... pleaaaaaase, speak slowlier, I can't make up your words, or please reduce the acronyms or the texting like writing, I can't make up what you write, or....

From hardware knowledge to software know how to soft skill deficiencies, we go 360 in learning needs.

The dumming down of America.

I have been told by Southerners (USA) that they like to come to Canada because when being served they do not have first: A long big sigh, then rolling eyes, then - What is it that you want!! - literal way of servicing. LOL But we are getting there in Canada as well, slowly but surely.

[danceblackcatdance]

shame the apple head honchos weren't such geniuses with their new maps fail :)



Hey folks,

In my opinion as an Industrial Designer, Apple is scam.

It goes against almost every good design principle I can think about.

1-Their products don´t last. 2- Iphones and Ipads frequently can´t survive a fall. 3-Every year, they launch a new "innovative" version of their products, with just some very minor changes and 4- They use China´s slave labor system to make their products, 5- They launch "crippled" versions of their products, to force people to buy the most expensive one.
6- Except for their "operational system", which some people consider superior, their computers are often very hard to upgrade, so you have to buy a new one. A regular PC can last for a long time because you can easily upgrade its components. Apple computers are complicated to upgrade.

Apple is all about a strong brand making big money out of planned obsolescence. They use design and branding as a big trap to attracted consumers. Their brand is so strong, that even making inferior products, they´re still breaking selling records every year. This is called brainwashing.

Cheers,

Raf.

agree with all your points, but in the corporate world its called good 'business'... apple have never said they were here to serve man, but to make money...

ps. i'm on a mac, been using them for a decade and a half (+ pc's when i can't do what i want on mac os).. windows is utter shiite as an operating system, apple might be a scam but windows is a virus :becky:

[ViralSpiral]

I am a brainwashed cultist?!?

Woooohoooo. More time to do the nails :biggrin1:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ixf1VaiznvY/TmrYo0CIJnI/AAAAAAAABd0/izDQrvk9F6U/s1600/alfred-eisenstaedt-women-under-hair-dryers-getting-hair-styled-in-beauty-salon-at-saks-fifth-ave-department-store.jpg


I would like to join the Apple-divide-and-conquer-Chain-Gang-choir...


I call it choice. Or, subjective individual preference.


My 73 year old mom was gifted with an iPad for Christmas. Never having worked on any computer before, armed with "iPads for dummies", she easily found her way around without having to know where the nuts and bolts are.


In gratitude...


from the article:

How To Be a Genius: This Is Apple’s Secret Employee Training Manual

We recently showed you just how badly some of Apple's retail elite behave when no one's watching, but surely they were taught better, right? You bet they were: Apple tells its new recruits exactly what what to think and say. How do we know? We read Apple's secret Genius Training Manual from cover to cover.


disin'genious' i.m.o http://www.millerfilm.com/spacelinks/wink_emoticon.bmp

[AriG]

I quit. I'll try another angle on another thread. Oh and Carmody? No hairdressing going on here. My significant other is also C+ certified and a Director for the engineering and service department of a Fortune 500 technology company. The opinion of my loved one is that it is a superior platform. No blue screen of death. No time wasted on pointless endeavors.

Admins? Would you please consider closing this thread now? Its been derailed. Thank you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Admins? Would you please consider closing this thread now? Its been derailed. Thank you.
Ok - thread closed :).

[ThePythonicCow]

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Admins? Would you please consider closing this thread now? Its been derailed. Thank you.

Ok - thread closed :).

Thread reopened, as you requested :).

[Carmody]

Yes I sorta continued the conversation backstage, and it went kinda like this:

Apologies for the impression of derailing the thread.

regarding fortune 500, I'm the what might be seen, from the right eyes...the kind of guy who builds the ground that the fortune 500 companies walk on. And in the process, they make sure that you (john Q. Public) don't understand that people like me exist. In the process of doing so, they can and generally do take everything from us and grind us into the ground in their passion for self aggrandizement. Steal the dream, kill the dreamer. That is the game I've personally always found coming out of the fortune 500 companies.

To be fair, Galileo took an instrument of war, for 'far seeing'..and looked at the stars, instead. To be fair, in turn..look what was done to him.

Ideas may possess them, these fortune 500 companies...but...in my experience..the more they are involved in the connectivity to the public, the given Corp, that is.......the more base their behavior within the context of trying to run people in cold analytical ways that are manipulative.

The rabbi put it best:
When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot. --Rabbi Shlomo Riskin,

And the folks like me, we're 2-3-4-5 steps ahead, so we are seen as a total crackpot and receive nothing, and are mostly driven into the ground for even trying to exist or express. we are too far from the path of normal or average, for folks to understand that we even exist.

Thus, you can see the passion involved in discussing this sort of subject; the complexity defies belief, when the cover is taken off and one actually peers inside.

My point is also that the psychologically unaware, this given smaller circle of logic.... that type gravitates toward that sort of hardware -apple hardware- (this is generalizing of course....! As is their manual) and then due to that aspect, they may be possibly more open to manipulation than the PC user.

My answer to the thread is long and involved and in multiple parts.... as the core of the question, regarding answering it, involves a depth of connectivity and thought that most don't venture into.

Thus, this manual exists, and in the end, it does not surprise me that it does. They need to control their success and thus, their interactions. how things are done at the company. priests, for example, take courses on this sort of thing, as does a psychologist and a psychiatrist.

The same courses are taught to torturers and interrogators, to people like Agusto Pinochet and any minions that he might have hired and had working for him, who may have been taught at the US military training school, called 'the school of Americas' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation)

If one was to phone up any professional help line, then yes, the handling is entirely pointed and scripted.

[GrnEggsNHam]

You may find this odd AriG but online interaction heavily influenced and progressed my social skills. I was a true loner for most of my childhood. I somehow managed to gather a decent group of friends by High school but in Elementary school it was just me and another kid who was not quite "normal" as the other kids would say. We often did things no one else would (be the opposing bad/evil guys in a game/fantasy/imagination, created "Finger Boards" out of construction paper to hold and glide over the air vents). Being different basically meant we were outcasts but after all that's the way we liked it. Now I realize it was hard for me to relate to my peers at the time as we were at different stages of development.

1995 Warcraft 2 B.net edition was released(I loved RPG/RTS games, played any adult*** I could find in Chess/Stratego/Risk/Mastermind,etc. I adored the original PC Civilization game and spent countless hours on that beast, all alone of course). This was when I began to blossom. I suddenly was interacting readily with people who were more like me. They "thought" like me and I enjoyed interacting with the numerous Teens/Adults who played(I was 10 years old in 95') online at the time. I am sure it was rare for someone my age to be on there. Age was something that didn't matter online and I absolutely loved it!

Then came Starcraft a few years later and I had since convinced my folks to buy a 2nd dedicated dial-up line. That's right they fueled my introverted lifestyle and it actually worked out lol. This meant I was able to play for long periods of time and actually chat beyond the 1-2 games I used to have time for. I would often sneak out of my room and play all night only to snooze through most of school the next day(when you're mom is a teacher in the District and you get straight "A" report cards they let it slide or at least I never got in trouble for sleeping). I continued this pattern all the way until I graduated from High School in 03'.

My wit was sharp and quick as lightning from all my interactions online over the years. Online gaming grew large during this time and I began to make friends at school using this as a bridge. Suddenly being creative and somewhat intelligent meant something. Everyone wanted my advice on different strategies for this or different ways to build/master and equip their characters. Of course these were the things I had been discussing at length, for years, with my friends online. Using video games as my segue I continued to develop and started getting big into Music while I attended University. As you are aware pretty much everyone likes some form of music and this became the best way of socializing with my peers. The music scene had already heavily been introduced online by now(Napster was like 00' or something) and I've just kept expanding my knowledge on various subjects ever since. It's very rare that I will be next to someone these days and not have something in common to chat about. It's often times the most peculiar information that you will link up to someone with. We really are very interesting :)




*** The only other challenging opponent my age was my sole loner friend. Older kids ignored me altogether. Adults liked to play me because my strategies were all my own, I was self taught in every which way. When playing with adults I often would lose on purpose, especially if they overreacted the first game if I won. I loved competition(I loved proving to myself what I knew) but, also hated and regretted it often. Seeing the despair and sadness in my opponents often led me to ease off and make things close or perhaps I would end up losing altogether. Sometimes I would let this slip(If I lost after backing off, only to realize I would have to try my best to win, a separate challenge within the game so to speak), of course this would come out much later after they've played many matches with me. I did this to my younger(3 years) brother all the time and it's probably why I started doing it with everyone.

[DevilPigeon]

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Ah Apple, the serial litigator. I read one of their most recent pursuits is related to "technology" they've somehow managed to slip past Mr Magoo at the patent office regarding the "bounceback" effect you see once you get to the start/end of a list...

"Pathetic" doesn't really do the sentiment justice.

[AriG]

GrnegsNHam,

I wish that I had Duck Feet. Oh, sorry off topic :)

You have shared a lot of insightful information about your social status in school and the manner in which you overcame what you deem introversion. ( Again off topic, but introversion is not shyness or social ineptitude. Its more a preference for one's own company and or smaller gatherings versus an active social life, etc. Google it and you will see some very good clarifications of the often misinterpreted definition of introvert/extrovert. In fact, many introverts are quite gregarious in the right setting - present company included).

I started this thread to illustrate a paradigm shift in our culture that has created the necessity to teach humans how to be human ( aka the Apple manual). I have managed many teams of people ranging from line level to Senior Administrators and everything in between. I fully understand, for example, Flash's point about service reaching unprecedented lows and the necessity for any corporation or even small business for that matter, to educate their entry level team members about basic courtesy, empathy, professionalism, etc., etc. If one has line level employees who are public facing and has not trained them with a script then the results can be disastrous. Its unfortunate that Apple is compelled to insult the intelligence of their patrons with such condescending tactics, but they no doubt have a formula that they think works.

I also understand that there seem to be some strong opinions about a mac OS versus a PC and the intellectual prowess related to the decision.

These are both valid points, but due to some flaw in my communication today, I have failed to stress that neither of these issues is the point of the thread.

To be clear, and forgive the Obamaism, this post is probing the phenomenon that is the lack of humanity in the human race. Why are people no longer equipped with common courtesy and common sense? Why must it be taught in the workforce? How is it possible that someone can mature into their 20's and have no concept about things that came naturally to previous generations?

You share your experiences as you delved into the gaming scene to overcome your obstacles. Your mother is a teacher. Did she see this as an effective tool for you? Was the only criteria used to judge your development your straight A scholastic achievement? Meaning no disrespect, was the value placed in the grade versus the education? A second line was added to facilitate your hobby, a hobby which took you away from family time no doubt?

[AriG]

My answer to the thread is long and involved and in multiple parts.... as the core of the question, regarding answering it, involves a depth of connectivity and thought that most don't venture into.

C'mon humor us :) Thanks would appear to be in order, but ( she says twisting her hair and smacking her gum) I bought an Apple. Can't find it. LOL. Kidding of course.

[Laurel]

1995 Warcraft 2 B.net edition was released(I loved RPG/RTS games, played any adult*** I could find in Chess/Stratego/Risk/Mastermind,etc. I adored the original PC Civilization game and spent countless hours on that beast, all alone of course). This was when I began to blossom. I suddenly was interacting readily with people who were more like me. They "thought" like me and I enjoyed interacting with the numerous Teens/Adults who played(I was 10 years old in 95') online at the time. I am sure it was rare for someone my age to be on there. Age was something that didn't matter online and I absolutely loved it!.

Good for you!!

I used to play a text-based MMORPG for over 10 years. At one time, there were about 2,000 players all on the same server (with unbelievable lags). it was a community where everyone was accepted without judgement. There would be parties and get-togethers that many of us would fly cross-country to attend. The friends we made were amazing and many of us are still very close.

There was this one high-level character who was very well spoken and a bit intimidating. One day I was talking with this guy who said, "Hey do you remember this character? That was my 12-year old little sister.". She was keeping up with the 25-40 year olds and none of us had any idea she was 12.

Oh,... and I love my Mac :cool:

[Kano]

Part of the lack of empathy within our species has to do with social conditioning and desensitization for things that used to evoke a natural empathetic response. The PTB's process is always the same. Beat the natural essence out and replace/reprogram with desired response/characteristic. We have been lead so far away from our natural essences we now have to be taught what was once a natural endeavor. There is a de-evolution attempt on mankind currently. It's in full force now because we are going through a cosmic leap in consciousness and it scares the kaka out of the old rich white men.

[Carmody]

Part of the lack of empathy within our species has to do with social conditioning and desensitization for things that used to evoke a natural empathetic response. The PTB's process is always the same. Beat the natural essence out and replace/reprogram with desired response/characteristic. We have been lead so far away from our natural essences we now how to be taught what was once a natural endeavor. There is a de-evolution attempt on mankind currently. It's in full force now because we are going through a cosmic leap in consciousness and it scares the kaka out of the old rich white men.

That, is in my opinion, an essential clue to what is happening here. It is an issue of a need for controlled scripting, so as to control potential outcomes..and the fact that we are de-evolving to some degree..at least in my impression. This is why I don't like big cities. Why I rarely travel to them. When you walk up to a person in the city and try to speak to them, they think you are a lunatic of some sort. People don't speak with one another, the social grease is gone.

This has to do with something i spoke on a while back, which I'll have to go and get:


When a community , after a long settling time..reaches a population level where strangers can perpetually exist, meaning too many people to have a small basic aspect of understanding of who someone is on sight..that is the time the manipulators can walk in and manipulate the fear aspect of not knowing. They can get between people and interrupt for their own purposes, which will be cross or against that of the group. The point where that really begins to take off and exist as a solid aspect which may not be recoverable, is suspected to be around the 10,000 population mark. (isolated group, ie no towns nearby, thus the isolation is real) The smaller the group, the easier any societal error can be repaired, and be less likely to rear up in the first place.

Under duress, even bigger isolated groups can band together and fix community issues. The most current example of that, is the isolated community of Iceland.

Note that this type of consideration is written, IIRC, on the Georgia Guidestones?

A passing note from a situation/story from the 'big city', in areas where people coming into power or whom where of power, regarding motions, connections, ideas and 'happenings' and so on: The real movers and shakers who are up and coming..those folks..a surprisingly high number of them..are from small towns. A VERY disproportionate number.

Considering the population differentials of city folk vs that of small town folk, the numbers should be 95% city and maybe 5% country or small town. But no, the number is like 20%-25%-35% or more 'small town' folks. Sometimes even higher, depending on the discipline involved.

[Ruby L.]

Apple is all about a strong brand making big money out of planned obsolescence. They use design and branding as a big trap to attracted consumers. Their brand is so strong, that even making inferior products, they´re still breaking selling records every year.


Regarding the power of Apple's branding... Reminds me of an article I read recently, in a free newspaper (http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/rory-mackenzie-ive-put-an-apple-sticker-on-my-leg-people-see-it-and-say-are-they-doing-legs-now-8134672.html) distributed in London. It was an interview with former soldier Rory Mackenzie, who was chosen to take part in the Paralympic's closing ceremony. (He was raised 40ft above the Olympic Stadium to introduce the "Festival of the Flame".)

In the interview, he tells of his experience of losing his leg in a big bomb blast in Basra, Iraq, and remarks on the changing image/perception of disability since the London Paralympics.

Mackenzie is fitted with a computerised, full-leg prosthesis. He says:

“At a basic level people have just got used to seeing prostheses. I can detect the change already; I get a smile when they see my leg. They look at it, on a train or wherever, and then look up at me and smile. That’s really nice. And it didn’t happen before. Before, you’d get either avoidance or a kind of inquisitiveness-- which wasn’t exactly negative, but wasn’t particularly positive or warm. And it was never, ‘Wow, that’s cool’.”

The part that made me chuckle:

“And hey, the leg is quite cool,” he adds, glancing down at it. “I think it’s quite funky. I’ve put an Apple sticker on it, and people see that and say: ‘Are Apple doing legs now?’"



:lol:

[Kano]

Sorry to go off topic here, but speaking of the cult of Apple, I do find it interesting that the very first computer built by Wozniak and Jobs went on the market for $666. Say what you want about Jobs and his legacy. He was a deep insider. The symbolism is there. And we all know this is how the insiders communicate over the heads of us sheeple.

[AriG]

Part of the lack of empathy within our species has to do with social conditioning and desensitization for things that used to evoke a natural empathetic response. The PTB's process is always the same. Beat the natural essence out and replace/reprogram with desired response/characteristic. We have been lead so far away from our natural essences we now how to be taught what was once a natural endeavor. There is a de-evolution attempt on mankind currently. It's in full force now because we are going through a cosmic leap in consciousness and it scares the kaka out of the old rich white men.

99% Accurate! Well said! The de-evolution attempt of which you speak is very real, very serious and very grounded in science via direct DNA manipulation and ecological degradation and as with all things industrial black ops, there has been an " unintended consequence " that is proving very beneficial to manipulators throughout the multiverse.

[AriG]

That, is in my opinion, an essential clue to what is happening here. It is an issue of a need for controlled scripting, so as to control potential outcomes..and the fact that we are de-evolving to some degree..at least in my impression. This is why I don't like big cities. Why I rarely travel to them. When you walk up to a person in the city and try to speak to them, they think you are a lunatic of some sort. People don't speak with one another, the social grease is gone.

This has to do with something i spoke on a while back, which I'll have to go and get:


When a community , after a long settling time..reaches a population level where strangers can perpetually exist, meaning too many people to have a small basic aspect of understanding of who someone is on sight..that is the time the manipulators can walk in and manipulate the fear aspect of not knowing. They can get between people and interrupt for their own purposes, which will be cross or against that of the group. The point where that really begins to take off and exist as a solid aspect which may not be recoverable, is suspected to be around the 10,000 population mark. (isolated group, ie no towns nearby, thus the isolation is real) The smaller the group, the easier any societal error can be repaired, and be less likely to rear up in the first place.

Under duress, even bigger isolated groups can band together and fix community issues. The most current example of that, is the isolated community of Iceland.

Note that this type of consideration is written, IIRC, on the Georgia Guidestones?

A passing note from a situation/story from the 'big city', in areas where people coming into power or whom where of power, regarding motions, connections, ideas and 'happenings' and so on: The real movers and shakers who are up and coming..those folks..a surprisingly high number of them..are from small towns. A VERY disproportionate number.

Considering the population differentials of city folk vs that of small town folk, the numbers should be 95% city and maybe 5% country or small town. But no, the number is like 20%-25%-35% or more 'small town' folks. Sometimes even higher, depending on the discipline involved.

I apologize for reposting almost the entire quote, but Carmody speaks so much truth, I cannot dissect this and keep it meaningful

Absolutely correct! This is part of the plan. All of it. Everything from social disassociation, fear, de-ruralization ( for control and for removal of the core human salvation - empathy), familial disintegration, etc. But, these initiatives are program reinforcements that are part of a greater initiative that begins with direct and intentional dna manipulation in infancy. The ultimate goal is to reduce the population as per the Georgia GuideStones and to divide the population into two camps: (1) The Chosen ( and this would include those movers and shakers hand selected from the greater rural population) and (2) The Condemned - the percentage of humanity that remains in a completely altered and soul-less form in perpetual servitude to The Chosen. The "unintended consequences" or as they like to joke " beneficial consequences" serve their ( for lack of a better word ) demons from a different and ostracized Vector/Hilbert space.

[ulli]

Part of the lack of empathy within our species has to do with social conditioning and desensitization for things that used to evoke a natural empathetic response. The PTB's process is always the same. Beat the natural essence out and replace/reprogram with desired response/characteristic. We have been lead so far away from our natural essences we now how to be taught what was once a natural endeavor. There is a de-evolution attempt on mankind currently. It's in full force now because we are going through a cosmic leap in consciousness and it scares the kaka out of the old rich white men.

99% Accurate! Well said! The de-evolution attempt of which you speak is very real, very serious and very grounded in science via direct DNA manipulation and ecological degradation and as with all things industrial black ops, there has been an " unintended consequence " that is proving very beneficial to manipulators throughout the multiverse.

I see it like this...what used to appear like a polite, humane, courteous response was not always based on sensitivity at all, but on societal and religious indoctrination, with the parents following the promptings of clergy when raising their children.
All that is vanishing now, but in my view this is not necessarily a bad thing, although it would appear to be that way.
But it clears the plate for a direct and more honest interaction, albeit rudeness and selfish behaviors abound, there is also a new honesty, free from the old hypocrisy.
And from there the only way is up. The essence will now be able to come out, not having the heavy-handed indoctrination of former times.
So what if corporations do the training of the kids if the parents fail?

I was in the Apple store in Miami Beach a couple of weeks ago , under time pressure as I was between flights, between two countries...and had to do some heavy negotiating about a repair job on a laptop, which then had to be shipped back to Barbados, and I must say I was impressed with the staff there, their corporate training had worked...and they did show clear signs of being warm-blooded human beings.
This does not mean that Apple couldn't do with a few more reforms regarding their overall policies.

[AriG]

Sorry to go off topic here, but speaking of the cult of Apple, I do find it interesting that the very first computer built by Wozniak and Jobs went on the market for $666. Say what you want about Jobs and his legacy. He was a deep insider. The symbolism is there. And we all know this is how the insiders communicate over the heads of us sheeple.

Perhaps they chose it as it is an abundant number..

[Carmody]

Sorry to go off topic here, but speaking of the cult of Apple, I do find it interesting that the very first computer built by Wozniak and Jobs went on the market for $666. Say what you want about Jobs and his legacy. He was a deep insider. The symbolism is there. And we all know this is how the insiders communicate over the heads of us sheeple.

Perhaps they chose it as it is an abundant number..

The admittance by Jobs, was apparently..that he chose that number due to it's proximity to what they felt they had to sell it for, and it's impact, regarding being a recognized number..specifically for publicity's sake, nothing more. True or not, that is the story that is bandied about regarding this matter of the price. Then the whole apple with the bite thing, as a connection.

I'd be likely to pick such a stunt, myself. If you knew my email address, for example. As a joke, I took a '665' number, to be 'the neighbour of the beast', sheerly for the dark humour of it. Extreme literal behavior and thinking tied to overt knee bending Religosity ---is most definitely a joking matter, in my world.

Ie, that extreme adherence to any view beyond a temporary 'toe dipping' (even full immersion -just remember to retain capacity for self extraction when going in) in an effort to form an understanding of said view or point, is a dire mistake that is destined to be of dire consequence.

Be flexible and mutable, or die, going down to the depths... tied to the mast of the given ship one is on; for that situation is a universal and historical record of eventuality, if one is tied to said view or point in a permanent fashion.

[ulli]

While on the one hand the alt community condemns religion as a tool of the PTB on the other hand there is still a lot of credence given to such details as that 666 number....with zero proof of what it could possibly refer to, nor is it being considered whether the end time and beast has not already passed a long time ago.
All is possible. I like Carmody calling the use of the number 666 a stunt...that gets closer to the truth than many of the other speculations I have read.
It all could refer to anything one wants to ascribe to it as in reality each one is free to give the meaning of their own choice.
One just has to give it a try...we might have the surprise of our lives.

[Kano]

While on the one hand the alt community condemns religion as a tool of the PTB on the other hand there is still a lot of credence given to such details as that 666 number....with zero proof of what it could possibly refer to, nor is it being considered whether the end time and beast has not already passed a long time ago.
All is possible. I like Carmody calling the use of the number 666 a stunt...that gets closer to the truth than many of the other speculations I have read.
It all could refer to anything one wants to ascribe to it as in reality each one is free to give the meaning of their own choice.
One just has to give it a try...we might have the surprise of our lives.

While I do acknowledge that it could have been a stunt, that answer just doesn't sit well with me. Considering the symbolism involved with this company and the fact that it seems to be tied in to biblical prophecy i.e., the forbidden fruit with a bite taken out, the first PC being sold for $666, as well as not being able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast which is where we are going with computers, the fact that Apple is a global force in emerging end-user technologies and in some significant ways is guiding the path of how humans interact, I just cannot comply with the notion that is was a stunt. But who is to say?

BTW, I have very much enjoyed reading your posts over the years, Ulli. You're a righteous lady and I appreciate your contributions here at PA. :)

[Flash]

GrnegsNHam,

I wish that I had Duck Feet. Oh, sorry off topic :)

You have shared a lot of insightful information about your social status in school and the manner in which you overcame what you deem introversion. ( Again off topic, but introversion is not shyness or social ineptitude. Its more a preference for one's own company and or smaller gatherings versus an active social life, etc. Google it and you will see some very good clarifications of the often misinterpreted definition of introvert/extrovert. In fact, many introverts are quite gregarious in the right setting - present company included).

I started this thread to illustrate a paradigm shift in our culture that has created the necessity to teach humans how to be human ( aka the Apple manual). I have managed many teams of people ranging from line level to Senior Administrators and everything in between. I fully understand, for example, Flash's point about service reaching unprecedented lows and the necessity for any corporation or even small business for that matter, to educate their entry level team members about basic courtesy, empathy, professionalism, etc., etc. If one has line level employees who are public facing and has not trained them with a script then the results can be disastrous. Its unfortunate that Apple is compelled to insult the intelligence of their patrons with such condescending tactics, but they no doubt have a formula that they think works.

I also understand that there seem to be some strong opinions about a mac OS versus a PC and the intellectual prowess related to the decision.

These are both valid points, but due to some flaw in my communication today, I have failed to stress that neither of these issues is the point of the thread.

To be clear, and forgive the Obamaism, this post is probing the phenomenon that is the lack of humanity in the human race. Why are people no longer equipped with common courtesy and common sense? Why must it be taught in the workforce? How is it possible that someone can mature into their 20's and have no concept about things that came naturally to previous generations?

You share your experiences as you delved into the gaming scene to overcome your obstacles. Your mother is a teacher. Did she see this as an effective tool for you? Was the only criteria used to judge your development your straight A scholastic achievement? Meaning no disrespect, was the value placed in the grade versus the education? A second line was added to facilitate your hobby, a hobby which took you away from family time no doubt?

The paradigm shift in our culture started out with the technological communication mostly, enhanced with the late technologies with fast reach, speed is now demanded. But as you increase the speed of reach and communication, the quality of the exchanges decreased proportionately. Abilities you do not use, you lose. Abilities you lost, you cannot transfer. THerefore, parents cannot anylonger transfer thorough communications abilities to their children, having sometime lost them too.

Also, these abilities were developediin the past, while in close proximity to older ones and to peers, over longer periods of times together. These time periods have been lost as well. Speed and rush is everywhere. Time periods relating to others have been replaced by television and the internet, which are rather lonely endeavours.

Even when communicating, like here and now, it is moslty a one way communication, exchange being in fact limited, and impact of the communicated stuff on the recipient unknown, therefore understanding back and forth not corrected if needed. Add to this 150 letters maximum (texting), condensed writing=acronyms, this is a formulae for miscommunications and very low level brain workout. Add to this that the baby sitter being often TV or INTERNET and you are going straight for emotional and intellectual underdevelopment. Leveling the population through its bottom abilities, leveling the abilities as much as possible.

So yes, technology has reach a point where it dums us down.

Also, less you write/speak/listen in an elaborate manner, less you use parts of your brain, less complex the brain operations are, more dummed down a populations gets.

It is proven that good vocabulary and communication skills are equated with better more elaborate thinking, better IQ scoring and greater success in life altogether (of course, there is exception to the rule such as Einstein or people with neurological disorder that would not score well yet are quite intelligent). Also better chances for emotional intelligence development is parallel with good communication skills. Complex language is what differentiate us from animals, there is a reason for this.

Our kids seem to be losing this ability, while also losing the patience that is sometimes necessary in order to learn complex systems, things or do complex thinking (philosophy for example). Everytning must happen now, so no patience is left for the important later, which is often required for complex learning.

Basic communication has to be taught in the workforce because the work environment has to compensate for deficiendies at school and at home. And to tell the truth, the work environment is not equipped for this. The only hope in the work environment is to give a surface polish enough to get by on the job, hoping that it will have an impact in the overall abilities of the employee, which most of the time does not happen.

On the other hand, we, in America and Canada, have transferred all the manual jobs in China and elsewhere. People that did not have the natural abilities for heavy communication or complex learning have been left out. They will get the job they can, which often requires communication with the public. In the old time, they would have work in the manufacturing sectors or on the land, would have had very productive, happy lifes.
There is basically no place left for them except miserable badly paid jobs as in the service sector. We also left out all the creative minds that are not falling in the confined actual structure. What a loss.

So, one other problem is that we expect everyone to have intellectual/emotional similar framework.

We already are in part in the reptilian group mind, where differences amongst large segments of the population is not accounted for, even despised. In the last two thousands years half the population was left out (women), now it will be the manual workers, the ones not as fast verbally, the ones having other abilities that cannot be developped, or yet the ones with so much abilities that they either scare the sh out of employers or are exploited to the core with not thanks. A reptilian society!

[Carmody]

The other issue is that our emotional centering and relational abilities are undeveloped in their raw potential. Shorted out and also unused and unexercised. This can lead to a condition that is like that of a predator being able to enter the life of a blooming teenager.

Apple plays on this pre-condition. As do all current large target manipulators and marketers. Steering herds, and so on.

Apple..belongs..connection...identification..sharing...ease...comfort...subtlety, sensuousness, physical contact...and so on. With these eyes on, look at a TV advert for a car, or the like. The level of overt audience masturbation is just insane. the look, the move, the feel, the sound...and so on. Colors, motion, swirling, sonics...and so on. "Impression" - - is everything.

All this can happen between manipulators and the average denizen of a city, a denizen that is emotionally stunted and is ripe for connectivity, connectivity that is blooming in the emotional and sharing sense. A flower that is dying and needs to breathe, to open.

If I can get a crowd to gather together for a purpose, in order for me to speak with them, I've been known to captivate hundreds (the few times I've done it), with each of them receiving at least some aspect of a personal glow and connection. It is not just me, it is the reflection within themselves, of what they see me as being, to myself and to them, and the given impression of connection.

Thus the success of political movements, yoga classes, fitness clubs, love meet sites, and television, concert tours, tribal religions..and so on in general (In big population centers). People relate to the TV, not the other people in the room (restaurants, waiting rooms, bars, etc). This spell can be broken and transferred to the individual (whom is speaking), with some effort. Bring the people to themselves, is the real deal. The manipulative ideal, is to transfer that feeling and impression to the company and it's desires and connections.

The question and answer here, in this thread, is corporate manipulation of mass groups, via individual interaction, with scripted methodologies.

The PTB's game, right now is to INCREASE the sensation of separation (terrorists! Report them! spy on everyone!), so they can deliver normal human and the extant but unused human togetherness, on their terms. this is related to the idea of how this desire for a functioning and integrated life plays into apple's ease of use and their tactics.

The question and answer are complex and involved, but are not impossible to navigate. But it does require a modicum of personal clarity, which not all have, which brings it full circle, you see?

An example, I'm listening to right now, that is on the good side of this equation:

EHV5o8bqK3w

(with apple, oddly enough, crapping in the mix, as a reminder advert...:p)

[GrnEggsNHam]

GrnegsNHam,
You share your experiences as you delved into the gaming scene to overcome your obstacles. Your mother is a teacher. Did she see this as an effective tool for you? Was the only criteria used to judge your development your straight A scholastic achievement? Meaning no disrespect, was the value placed in the grade versus the education? A second line was added to facilitate your hobby, a hobby which took you away from family time no doubt?

She was a teacher by profession and I am sure she enjoyed it. Alas, her ability to guide and teach was not reflected by this. I was "taught" by memorization and yes the letter grade was considered the end all be all. It did not matter what information I retained although thankfully I am quite capable of recalling most of it. So in the end I only "studied" long enough to achieve a 90% score(if I did better yay! if I did worse then I missed my mark and would spend more time/effort next time). I realized early on that what I was memorizing was pretty much useless in day to day situations. I abhorred school and often, if I was not sleeping, I was dreaming up new strats for whatever game caught my fancy at the time.

Yes the 2nd line was added exclusively for me. It most certainly distracted me from numerous things including family time. Which basically meant family game night or else I wasn't present whether my body was there or not. I've always had a knack for ignoring anything and anyone while carrying on perfectly fine with whatever I was pondering. My current Significant Other hates this trait with a passion. However I must commend my mother for always making me play outside everyday(weather permitting). Of course I wanted to hop right online as soon as I got home from child prison(my term for school growing up). This was strictly forbidden and I did obey and respect my parents wishes. Even if I did dream of owning a laptop so I could continue outside anyways lol.

[Flash]

The other issue is that our emotional centering and relational abilities are undeveloped in their raw potential. Shorted out and also unused and unexercised. This can lead to a condition that is like that of a predator being able to enter the life of a blooming teenager.

Apple plays on this pre-condition. As do all current large target manipulators and marketers. Steering herds, and so on.

Apple..belongs..connection...identification..sharing...ease...comfort...subtlety, sensuousness, physical contact...and so on. With these eyes on, look at a TV advert for a car, or the like. The level of overt audience masturbation is just insane. the look, the move, the feel, the sound...and so on. Colors, motion, swirling, sonics...and so on. "Impression" - - is everything.

All this can happen between manipulators and the average denizen of a city, a denizen that is emotionally stunted and is ripe for connectivity, connectivity that is blooming in the emotional and sharing sense. A flower that is dying and needs to breathe, to open.

If I can get a crowd to gather together for a purpose, in order for me to speak with them, I've been known to captivate hundreds (the few times I've done it), with each of them receiving at least some aspect of a personal glow and connection. It is not just me, it is the reflection within themselves, of what they see me as being, to myself and to them, and the given impression of connection.

Thus the success of political movements, yoga classes, fitness clubs, love meet sites, and television, concert tours, tribal religions..and so on in general (In big population centers). People relate to the TV, not the other people in the room (restaurants, waiting rooms, bars, etc). This spell can be broken and transferred to the individual (whom is speaking), with some effort. Bring the people to themselves, is the real deal. The manipulative ideal, is to transfer that feeling and impression to the company and it's desires and connections.

The question and answer here, in this thread, is corporate manipulation of mass groups, via individual interaction, with scripted methodologies.

The PTB's game, right now is to INCREASE the sensation of separation (terrorists! Report them! spy on everyone!), so they can deliver normal human and the extant but unused human togetherness, on their terms. this is related to the idea of how this desire for a functioning and integrated life plays into apple's ease of use and their tactics.

The question and answer are complex and involved, but are not impossible to navigate. But it does require a modicum of personal clarity, which not all have, which brings it full circle, you see?

An example, I'm listening to right now, that is on the good side of this equation:

EHV5o8bqK3w

(with apple, oddly enough, crapping in the mix, as a reminder advert...:p)

Once again Carmody you got me: I had to check in the translator dictionnary: denizen, new word in my English mind personal dictionnary on top of my French one.

So, what you are saying is that Corporations will play on our thirst for connectivity, individual face to face connectivity, that has been transfered to artificial connectivity through tv, internet, etc. for a never ending thirst
sensation for fulfillment since this connectivity is not real, and that little effort had to be made in order to brake the spell and bring people back to themselves. .

However, Corporations won't do it because


The question and answer here, in this thread, is corporate manipulation of mass groups, via individual interaction, with scripted methodologies.


manipulation through the promotion of separation between us, this promoted by Apple and the liked by ease of usage technological applications.

I would add manipulation while and through promoting "empathy" in their sales/service force, which would never ever replace real human contact empathy, but is made belief as being a fullfilling alternative.

Am i right in my understanding or your writings.

Also, you mention the senses used in adverts, visual, auditory, sensousness, physical contact and so on. In terms of senses, the only ones missing are the taste and smell senses.

Well, it seems, following researchers, that once taste and smell are added on, the brain will not make the difference between virtual and real reality. Can you imagine, we would be at the total hold of advertising and large corporations..

And, you started your post with


The other issue is that our emotional centering and relational abilities are undeveloped in their raw potential. Shorted out and also unused and unexercised. This can lead to a condition that is like that of a predator being able to enter the life of a blooming teenager.

Apple plays on this pre-condition. As do all current large target manipulators and marketers. Steering herds, and so on.

From what I understand in your writings, actual human development would not have reach maturity yet in emotional and relational abilities and this would be used by predators and manipulators. The pre-existing condition of lack of evolution is used to manipulate us and predate on us while at the same time there is a garantie it won't be developed because of a large supply of brainless/heartless potential development of communication/and other technologies.

In other terms, we are at a vicious circle of under development of our abilities and potential, circle that cannot be broken unless some efforts are put on, efforts for which the PTB doe everything in their power to make sure we won't even try to attempt.

Well, my post was long enough that I burned my rice for dinner - this is a tough thing to do, burning rice..... :o

Therefore I put the burn rice in throwable bowls outside for the raccoon and/or scunts. We will see tomorrow if they eat burned stuff.

Since individual efforts have to be put in the braking of the circle, and that collective efforts (which we are probably getting at the level of development to do, but which is stopped by PTB), how do we proceed to change the plans of enslavement?

[Carmody]

First, to be aware of the basic condition. The idea that a thing exists, that a thought is formed, that an understanding is reached...is key to solving all issues, to directing oneself in all endeavors.

The deal is that a perfectly formed question begets it's reflection- the perfectly formed answer. The shape of one is found in the other.

Bringing people's attention to a situation with as perfectly formed a question as is possible, will be the thing that allows the answer to emerge.

After all, we exist in a state of reflection, in this 3D unidirectional time based world. The beginning of action upon a situation, of a barrier being dissolved, as a process - is initiated by the realization of it existing and having shape.

[Flash]

Carmody:Bringing people's attention to a situation with as perfectly formed a question as is possible, will be the thing that allows the answer to emerge.

Tout à fait, isn't it the best way to teach, used for 1,000s of years by great Masters.

the problem I see with this is to reach the masses with a certain speed of execution. PTB has a step in advance on us on some implanted and spread thoughtforms it seems. And yet, maybe this is only a thoughtform I bought into but that, in fact, the reverse is true.

The problem remains, how to reach the masses, allow for time to get the perfect answer to the perfect question and yet, be on time for THE critical time?

[Carmody]

The hard part to deal with:

If we are not shattered before 'fixing', then it will be as meaningless as the state we where in... prior to the event.

The game must be played out, otherwise it will not work.

The cliff and the fall must be real. Otherwise, it will be meaningless, and nothing will take place.

Both. Do our best to prevent it, give all we have.

For the other side of the equation will be doing the same.