The Roots of Racism and Sexism.

[Kiforall]

Hi Everyone,
I'm getting bombarded with idea's at the moment which I'd like to share with you. It would be nice to get some feedback.
If aliens impregnated early primates to introduce the human species to Earth would that have given the original black skin. Does this make white people feel in superior to black skinned humans
If early primates were impregnated by aliens would they have been female animals to allow the birth of the new species to be born naturally?
Has this then led to the suppression of women. Is this why a lot of men are sexist because women were the original Mother to the human species? We are of the Earth and Men are from the skies?
But we need each other to achieve the balance, both sexes/all creeds have to respect each other for what each can do, in a physical and spiritual sense. The negativity that has been instilled in each of the sexes/creeds acts as a barrier, to prevent us from truly loving each other.

Love to All.
Zoe

[Fred Steeves]

Hiya Zoe, I like your style, just jump right into the mix.(LOL) Outstanding! That's an extremely wide ranging subject you bring up, so I'll just toss out two of my own related ideas, and see what happens.

I feel inclined to think that there once existed a great and extremely powerful race of black skinned people, to which the aggressive and warlike whites were no match. Therefore trickery and subterfuge was used, much the same as today. This would explain a lot why the black race is still so utterly besieged, much like the "red skins". Once you've snuck up and grabbed a bull by the balls, you had best not let go.

I think the feminine side of all of our natures has been nearly totally suppressed, both psychologically, and physically through DNA manipulation.

Of course neither one of these tactics is a match for awakened consciousness, but now I'm straying.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/yes4.gif

Cheers,
Fred

[Kiforall]

Hi Fred, Thanks for your reply. It's great to be able juggle ideas together, knowing that no-one will judge your opinions. Now I'm here I'm here till the end or the beginning as the case may be.
Bring it on, I am ready!:p

[write4change]

I saw a documentary about plotting the human genome geographically which took a couple of years. They were able to trace that the aboriginals of Australia walked out of the steppes of South Africa something like 45,000 years ago. They were able to plot the how and when of when various strains broke off. They said that white skin blue eyed people did not exist on this planet until 10,000 years ago when they first appeared in the Caucus (sp?) Mountains. Remember the Chinese finding ancient mummiers of red haired, blue eyed white people and they have repressed studying this? Chinese legends consider green eyed red haired people to be witches. When I was in China in 1985, I had deep green contacts which I stopped wearing and red hair. People would actually point and stare. They would sort of gather around but did not want me close enough to touch them. Then one of the guides explained what they found so exciting. This was around Xian.

[ulli]

I saw a documentary about plotting the human genome geographically which took a couple of years. They were able to trace that the aboriginals of Australia walked out of the steppes of South Africa something like 45,000 years ago. They were able to plot the how and when of when various strains broke off. They said that white skin blue eyed people did not exist on this planet until 10,000 years ago when they first appeared in the Caucus (sp?) Mountains. Remember the Chinese finding ancient mummiers of red haired, blue eyed white people and they have repressed studying this? Chinese legends consider green eyed red haired people to be witches. When I was in China in 1985, I had deep green contacts which I stopped wearing and red hair. People would actually point and stare. They would sort of gather around but did not want me close enough to touch them. Then one of the guides explained what they found so exciting. This was around Xian.

And I had to wait until NOW to get the answer? Whoa!
In 1974 I had bright red hair and while being driven around Hong Kong by my Chinese friend in her open sports car I got such an (over)reaction from the crowds that it left me downright puzzled. Of course at the time I attributed it to being special in every other way..hehe...

[ulli]

One day the truth will come out. Until then one can only have opinions...
mine is that all of the human race has ET origin,
but some cultural distinctions are climate determined.
Different brain hemispheres got triggered by different conditions,
some required the ability to make long range forecasts
while others helped with triggering the right reaction in an instant, in emergencies.
Windy deserts create a different type of human from valleys filled with foliage and a constant supply of clean water.

[write4change]

No different than looking at African elephants and Asian elephants and then the very specific elephants of Sir Lanka or Ceylon which are even more adaptive. I am pretty much with you in that I think we have all been tampered with in some form or another. The more aware we become, the more we seem to seek our origines because we know we don't know. We seem to feel like we can't fly our wings until we know for sure our roots--as a species.

[ulli]

No different than looking at African elephants and Asian elephants and then the very specific elephants of Sir Lanka or Ceylon which are even more adaptive. I am pretty much with you in that I think we have all been tampered with in some form or another. The more aware we become, the more we seem to seek our origines because we know we don't know. We seem to feel like we can't fly our wings until we know for sure our roots--as a species.

Ah, the roots question. While I was still living in Barbados during the eighties a lot of my friends there were digging for their African roots in order to feel whole.
This was no easy feat for them, I might add, since their African history had been effectively severed by making sure that the slave ships delivered people who came from the same tribes to different islands.
So I thought the short cut would be to do like me...forget the past and get on with what you are here for NOW.
After all, if I were to hunt for my roots the first thing I would encounter was Nazi Germany and Adolf H.
A skin which I was busy shedding.
Another friend who worked as a psychologist for an American corporation and whose job it was to counsel staff who were of African American origin, and who only got their jobs based on "quota" laws...he told me after his one and only trip to Africa, that when it was over he was filled with gratitude that his ancestors had been slaves.
Go figure...

[NancyV]

It all boils down to animal survival instincts. Any animal is wary of another animal that looks different. Whites and blacks and asians, etc. look different so they felt and still feel threatened by each other. Even different tribes of the same race were cautious of other tribes of the same species that they didn't know. So "racism" is a natural survival instinct at it's root.

As far as "discrimination" against females; if the female of a species is physically weaker than the male, the female will end up becoming either subservient or in a supportive role to the male. Since most species, including humans, are hierarchical in their social structures, there is a leader, then sub leaders, then followers, then females. It goes from strong to weak. The weak are always the lowest in the pecking order in most animal groups living in nature in survival mode.

We have evolved to where we are not in a constant state of physical danger so we have overcome or suppressed many of our survival traits. (most of the time) But if the world was to have some kind of apocalyptic event where we were thrust back into survival mode, we would see these survival traits quickly reassert themselves. The strong would again oppress the weak and racism would likely be overt instead of more covert, as it often is now.

Just because we are all powerful and infinite souls doesn't mean we aren't subject to the genetic impulses of the animal body we inhabit while we're here. We're here having a human experience which includes having all the human animal instincts. Humans can overcome many of these instincts through using their higher reasoning powers, but if we didn't have these survival traits we would not have survived encounters with many of the more physically dangerous animals, like dinosaurs, lions, tigers, etc. Our bodies are rather fragile compared to many dangerous animals, but we are ultimately the most dangerous species on this planet because we are more intelligent and cunning. Intelligence is ultimately more dangerous than physical strength.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Big topic as Fred said, and a very interesting one in which I've read an awful lot of material over the years. There are no final conclusions to be drawn, for much of it is still rooted in speculation. Firstly, I observe, in reflection, that there is a very solid, very consistent picture that absolutely insists that extra-terrestrial involvement was instrumental in creating, quite deliberately, the Human/Terran experiment.

I won't go into what ETs, their history, pagan God-complexes and all that, but just to give the feedback you asked for I'll add to the discussion with my own insights, answering each question in turn (rather than waffle forever about it all)


Hi Everyone,
If aliens impregnated early primates to introduce the human species to Earth would that have given the original black skin.

Not quite. You're right, to a point, that primates were non-sentient, 2nd-density protohominids and indigenous to Earth. Earth is a marvel, a rare jewel of diversity in the galaxy. A perfect environment to play out life-experience. So what these ETs were doing, very basically, was imbuing these indigenous apes, which were a template, with a variety of extra-terrestrial DNA in order to 'elevate' them to a biological, intellectual, and spiritual grade appropriate as a vehicle for the subsequent incarnation patterns of emergent souls, or souls still locked into the karmic cycle.

Not one group was involved. Perhaps, some have claimed, as many as two-dozen extra-humanoid ET races threw in their lot and were involved with the experiment, including a black-skinned race. Such is the wide diversity we see today. Not all still exist. There are tales that still float around India of a blue-skinned people, who vanished long ago, retreating underground (perhaps due to untenable racial divisions, maybe even war – check out the Mahabarata Epic!)


Does this make white people feel in superior to black skinned humans

It's complicated, isn't it!

The human-race was seeded and nurtured into many sub-divisions, with different genetic imprints. This was for the purpose of presenting variety, and a very unique environment, for the development of the incarnating soul. For down here we are disconnected from the Source, separated from the soul matrix of our true identity. Race tension is merely an outgrowth of that sense of multiplicity, which we must overcome. This is a key lesson in the Earth-life, experiencing absolute division and absolute separation with absolute spiritual amnesia, and overcoming it to achieve compassion, love, unity, and rediscovery in ourselves of our connection to Source.

Oh, also the black-skinned people were superior to the white, physically and intellectually. So perhaps that is the source of it! Subsequent alterations (the ETs were always tinkering!) changed that in order to level the playing field so to speak. Although black people are widely considered to be still physically superior (Usain Bolt anyone?)


If early primates were impregnated by aliens would they have been female animals to allow the birth of the new species to be born naturally? Has this then led to the suppression of women. Is this why a lot of men are sexist because women were the original Mother to the human species? We are of the Earth and Men are from the skies?

That’s another area I think, and it’s hard to pin down an answer. I’ll offer an opinion though, and say that Humans began with a base, rather ignoble mental construct as observed in our energetic centres (chakras). Here we are defined, offset toward the Masculine polarity. And Masculinity is about survival, competition, and technical prowess. The Feminine, the other polarity in our energy, and in our global morphic consciousness, has been thus overpowered, supressed, to the great detriment of our progress. Throughout history Man has never been able to achieve a comfortable equilibrium between the two.


But we need each other to achieve the balance, both sexes/all creeds have to respect each other for what each can do, in a physical and spiritual sense. The negativity that has been instilled in each of the sexes/creeds acts as a barrier, to prevent us from truly loving each other.

Absolutely! Nail on the head. The true path of spiritual evolution in a collective sense is to evolve from the lowest vibrational distortion to the highest (on this 3rd-density), where eventually, some believe, we will ‘shift’, graduate, into a new spiritual, vibrational complex. For the next chapter of human evolution will be the Divine Feminine. And that is love. So heads up!

[Kiforall]

In animals I see the role of the female and the male the same but different. Look at packs of wolves, herds of elephants etc.(lions are slightly different, but that's because they are feline) The female is never subservient but shares the role as leader. The female rules in a Motherly manner and the male comes in when his physical presence and strength is needed, he very rarely needs to kill.
Within communities etc. imagine how different it would be if two aware humans of opposite sex used their natural abilities to obtain and ensure balance. Even chimps prefer leaders who are respectful. If an alpha male gets disrespectful to the rest of the group the alpha female with the support of her larger family group usually chase him away.

[Arrowwind]

I won't go into what ETs, their history, pagan God-complexes and all that, but just to give the feedback you asked for I'll add to the discussion with my own insights, answering each question in turn (rather than waffle forever about it all)

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Perhaps we should go into the ET human seeding thing that is theorized to have happened on this planet. This could account for the development of sexism and the control of women. Women carry the capabilty of carrying a child.. the next generation of the experiment. Controlling womens reproductive power is controlling the experiment. Women have been guarded from the beginning and told who to reproduce with... think back to Enoch and the giants and how the women were prohibited from breeding with them but did so in some cases anyway.. consider all the bloodline stories throughout the ages.... encircling the woman, protecting the womb of creation, holding the queen under protection until the very last in battle, controlling how the princesses marry, to whom, what bloodline, what weath etc... this has bee done historically in even the most impoverished families...

How and from whom was this learned? and evidence of this goes back into the most ancient of writings.

Control of breeding by controlling the reproduction of women, I think, is what has brought about our current state of sexism. When a person is controlled for generations both physically, mentally and reproductively then their power diminishes and their minds become polluted with lies and false beliefs to the point where women promoted their own repression, in alignment with what men have endeavored to do, largely based on what the gods (ETs) told them to do.

just another angle.

[music]

I would say that the root of racism, regardless of humanity's pedigree, is fear. We can never truly know what another person thinks and feels, or how they will act. If they look a lot like us, there is a greater chance they will think/feel/do as we do, and there is some comfort in this predictability. The less like us they look, well, they could be a real threat to us because who knows what wierd sh1t they get up to. Racism, an innate quality of a fear based, seperation paradigm, has become institutionalised, but we mustn't confuse this societally encouraged cancer with the instinctive human reaction to fear.

Sexism, apart from some minor male feelings of inferiority (and the difference factor mentioned above) is something that I believe has been intentionally fostered by our patriarchy. The route to personal empowerment is the uniting of the poles within the heart. We are all 50% male/50% female, what determines the way we navigate through physical existence is what parts of which are expressed, and which unexpressed. Within each aspect, there is again a 50/50 split between light and dark principles, so our male side (for example) is 50/50 neg/pos, each side again is 50/50, all the way to infinity via the very small and the very large. Where the loops of the infinity sign cross, this is the "eye of needle", the time we are in now. The lower loop is the divine feminine, which has been toiling in the dark to allow the dream of the divine masculine to flourish on earth. The temporal "rulers" of this world don't want that particular party to end, so instead of reuniting with the feminine, or in the very least allowing the mother her time in the sun, the father plots to kill the mother on her return.