False flag 'disclosure' soon?

[wynderer]

this clip w/Richard Hoagland interviewed by Alex Jones is in David Icke's Headlines today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioxz3DHcGss

Richard H expects a big NWO- executed false flag ET 'disclosure' soon

trying to get to the truth re/ETs -- it seems to be one of the most complicated & confusing fields of study/interest --maybe THE most

here's a theory -- my ET walk-in friend says that all walk-ins are going to be lifted off soon, & the ships are on the way -- a false flag op by the NWO could be some before-that-event damage control?

[Moemers]

I just don't see a mass appearance anytime soon. It seems anathema to what our goals of fixing this planet entail.

[wynderer]

i think R Hoagland is saying that this will not be real ETs, but a fake staging of ETs appearing -- or a fake attacking, as in the thread Tintagelcave recently posted re Carol Rosen & von Braun

this would take attention away from or control the mass thought re/reaction to real ETS

[morguana]

a powerfull tool this would be in shaping and forming the way humanity would react, i hope that the powers that be would not entertain such measures,
but humans being humans i would not be surprised if this was attempted, i guess we will have to wait and see

[Moemers]

I misunderstood completely.

This would be monumental, as for the first time, it would be revealed that there are aliens - even though this is a false flag maneuver, humanity would still be informed that there is ET life.

After all...where did we get the technology to false flag?

[MariaDine]

http://www.ufocasebook.com/nasafacts.html

I remenber back that, my mother knew, back before I was born, from a friend that the astronauts from Gemini saw UFO. Let me put it this way, this is in Portugal, in the end of the 50, a country far from the U.S. . Portugal was closed to main stream news . People In Portugal,in those days, didn't even knew the word UFO.....So this kind of information was in one to one transmission basis. The source was a close friend with a profession that traveled and had acess to «special« information. I later came to know him.

I know this is «ear say» , so... no proof. ............my parents heard his story in utmost confidence....so my mother told me......

[MariaDine]

and my look at life was never the same............:)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTzdwMT0g4

[Carmody]

If one was forced to guess on the method and actions that take place to bring a emergent race up to spacefaring and intergrative (blending in full knowledge with other species) speed, one would have to look at the state of 'human (in this case) psychology, physiology, circumstance, etc.

Then one might come to the conclusion that humanity must get itself together, and do so peacefully..but it must do this on it's own. For a group of beings, like humans, who are clannish and subject to deep issues..may just become something akin to 'dangerous' to all iinterdimensional and interstellar 'others' who may be out there at this time.

Meaning, humans might turn toward clannishness, and tribal viewpoints... that are detrimental to much of who and what they may attempt to integrate with, while beginning and following through their new developmental curve. The fear should be dealt with, in order to have it leave, first and foremost.

Much of this, like the emergence of a chick from an eggshell ('the cracking of the cosmic egg') will happen simultaneously, it would seem, with a plethora of other states of mind and realities.

[Operator]

- 2010, the year we make contact
- November date leaked by David Wilcock
- Webbot prediction of a mega event in November bigger than 9/11

Could it be this year ? Keep your eyes and ears open for the potential precursors ...

[Snowbird]

- 2010, the year we make contact
- November date leaked by David Wilcock
- Webbot prediction of a mega event in November bigger than 9/11

Could it be this year ? Keep your eyes and ears open for the potential precursors ...

When one stops to think about the reason for a disclosure false flag, you have to factor in the needs of the NWO. Why would they do this to begin with? To confuse? What's on their immediate and short-term agenda? Any false flag operation has one goal, and that is to sway the unsuspecting public to grotesque fear so that they become malleable and swayable.

The mere presence of a giant halographic false flag display with False Messiah and lots and lots of false ETs, will never be enough. There will have to be grotesque violence and death in order for people to plead with the powers to take their freedoms completely away from them in order for the government to protect them. Could this false flag be a precursor to WWIII? If this is the case, where would this false flag occur? Could it be a precursor to a false flag alien invasion with a war fought over our heads? That doesn't make sense, because the benevolents would never allow this. I've heard and read that there is talk of a large U.S. city being decimated.

Does anyone have any details?

[wynderer]

When one stops to think about the reason for a disclosure false flag, you have to factor in the needs of the NWO. Why would they do this to begin with? To confuse? What's on their immediate and short-term agenda? Any false flag operation has one goal, and that is to sway the unsuspecting public to grotesque fear so that they become malleable and swayable.

The mere presence of a giant halographic false flag display with False Messiah and lots and lots of false ETs, will never be enough. There will have to be grotesque violence and death in order for people to plead with the powers to take their freedoms completely away from them in order for the government to protect them. Could this false flag be a precursor to WWIII? If this is the case, where would this false flag occur? Could it be a precursor to a false flag alien invasion with a war fought over our heads? That doesn't make sense, because the benevolents would never allow this. I've heard and read that there is talk of a large U.S. city being decimated.

Does anyone have any details?

there already is grotesque violence & death in many places on this planet -

[jcocks]

- 2010, the year we make contact
- November date leaked by David Wilcock
- Webbot prediction of a mega event in November bigger than 9/11

Could it be this year ? Keep your eyes and ears open for the potential precursors ...

I'm thining it's highly likely for the big event to happen either this year or next. 2012, IMHO, is a big media furphy to to keep our attention focussed in the wrong direction.

For those of you who keep up with Kerry's site, she has a link in her latest blog entry on the coming solar maximum. According to the article, most scientists now believe the biggest sunspot activity will occur late this year or next year rather than 2012...

On top of that, I recently had a dream where I woke up and all our technology no longer worked. At first I thought I'd been transported back to the 1930's / 40's, but I was repeatedly reassured that it was 2010...(DEFINITELY 2010, not 20212 or 2011, but 2010!)...

It didn't feel like a bad dream, there wasn't chaos, just calmness without the crowded-in feeling of having all this information bombarding me like it seems to nowadays...

And I don't believe that that's the be all and end all of it, but merely the beginning, the event that really gets the ball rolling.

As for those who say we're not ready for disclosure... I agree, yet I disagree... Our problem at the moment is that the human race is, as a whole, too inwardly-focussed. We concentrate on our differences too much rather than our similarities. This is by design, keeping us too preoccupied with superfluous CRAP to make any real progress as a species....

In the one hand, yes, we're too immature to handle discolusre...but on the other, we'll never mature in the way required unless we have disclosure. I firmly believe we need that little something to take our concentration away from our navels for a second to CONSIDER that there are those that are so unlike us that we'll realise how much alike that we are. It'll have to happen sooner or later, and nothing in the world or universe can fully prepare us for the event (No matter how much reading or internal preperation we individually undertake to ready ourselves for the eventuality.. It's one thing to BELIEVE there is life out there, it'll be quite another to EXPERIENCE THE REALITY of this being so.)...

Put simply, we are on the cusp of a huge period of growth, but there'll need to be something to tip us over and get the ball rolling. And quite possibly, the sunspot maximum may be part of the equation....

Joel

[Tigger]

I hope this idea doesn’t sound too crazy but here goes…

I think that like it or not, ready for it or not, disclosure must happen sometime pretty soon. I think that TPTB realise that they can’t keep the lid on disclosure for too much longer but they are trying to hold it off for as long as they possibly can to suit their own timeline. I suspect that TPTB want to delay rather than prevent disclosure. If they can't delay it then the next best thing would probably be to confuse and misdirect the public when disclosure starts bubbling up all over the place. If that were true then a good way to do this would be to manipulate many of us to think that a genuine disclosure event is really a false-flag event. This would certainly confuse and polarise public opinion. It wouldn’t fool everybody of course but it would certainly muddy the waters somewhat, and would keep the majority of people divided and confused at least for a little while.
I think that TPTB are genuinely scared. They know that the sooner we find out about who we really are and how much power we really have, the sooner we would sweep away their control over us. Any public acknowledgement of genuine ET existence would accelerate this awakening. They don’t want that. This is a complete hunch but I get the impression that TPTB are working to an agenda which requires circumstances to be just right for them to polarise the planet into complete fear. A global conflict would do the job. So would a global financial meltdown. I reckon they KNOW when disclosure has to happen and they are trying to make sure that any engineered crisis happens just before this time for maximum impact and confusion.

I remember listening to David Icke give a radio interview with Jeff Rense back in 2001 (I still have the recording somewhere) where he talked about TPTB working towards a specific agenda and that they were actually well behind the timeline in their agenda. I think that TPTB are desperately trying to move events along as fast as they can before disclosure happens, and the cracks are beginning to appear in their little plans.

Of course, there is always the possibility that I’m just rambling on about a bunch of crud and am making no sense whatsoever! :wacko:

[wynderer]

I hope this idea doesn’t sound too crazy but here goes…

I think that like it or not, ready for it or not, disclosure must happen sometime pretty soon. I think that TPTB realise that they can’t keep the lid on disclosure for too much longer but they are trying to hold it off for as long as they possibly can to suit their own timeline. I suspect that TPTB want to delay rather than prevent disclosure. If they can't delay it then the next best thing would probably be to confuse and misdirect the public when disclosure starts bubbling up all over the place. If that were true then a good way to do this would be to manipulate many of us to think that a genuine disclosure event is really a false-flag event. This would certainly confuse and polarise public opinion. It wouldn’t fool everybody of course but it would certainly muddy the waters somewhat, and would keep the majority of people divided and confused at least for a little while.
I think that TPTB are genuinely scared. They know that the sooner we find out about who we really are and how much power we really have, the sooner we would sweep away their control over us. Any public acknowledgement of genuine ET existence would accelerate this awakening. They don’t want that. This is a complete hunch but I get the impression that TPTB are working to an agenda which requires circumstances to be just right for them to polarise the planet into complete fear. A global conflict would do the job. So would a global financial meltdown. I reckon they KNOW when disclosure has to happen and they are trying to make sure that any engineered crisis happens just before this time for maximum impact and confusion.

I remember listening to David Icke give a radio interview with Jeff Rense back in 2001 (I still have the recording somewhere) where he talked about TPTB working towards a specific agenda and that they were actually well behind the timeline in their agenda. I think that TPTB are desperately trying to move events along as fast as they can before disclosure happens, and the cracks are beginning to appear in their little plans.

Of course, there is always the possibility that I’m just rambling on about a bunch of crud and am making no sense whatsoever! :wacko:

meaning, disclosure will come from ETs themselves saying 'We are here?' &/or showing themselves in great numbers? in that case, there could be sky battles or even a full-out war in space, w/the NWO military-industrial-ET complex seeking to prevent the non-NWO aligned ETs from appearing

[there are sky battles already happening -- i for one have seen one, w/someone else seeing also]

[Tigger]

meaning, disclosure will come from ETs themselves saying 'We are here?' &/or showing themselves in great numbers? in that case, there could be sky battles or even a full-out war in space, w/the NWO military-industrial-ET complex seeking to prevent the non-NWO aligned ETs from appearing

My thoughts are that it is more likely to be several contact events on a much smaller scale by ET groups. This would be much harder for NWO groups to control, but the impact across the planet would be huge.

I imagine it would be relatively easy for ET groups to allow progressively more conspicuous sightings of alien craft. This is where the possibility exists of similar false-flag events being created in an attempt to discredit genuine sightings. I’d also be wary of the reputed abilities of shadow-government groups to manipulate emotions and sensory input to make people believe they have been contacted by aliens. Discernment is the key.

As far as ‘sky battles’ go, I don’t think the military groups would be foolish enough to take on a bunch of technically advanced beings from other planets in a full scale conflict, no matter how much help they have had from negative ET’s. I certainly hope it doesn’t go that way.




[there are sky battles already happening -- i for one have seen one, w/someone else seeing also]

Wow, that must have been quite a sight! What did it look like?

[Operator]

It doesn't have to be as complicated as we think ....

If they just manage to get a portion of the populous in hysteria against extra terrestrial presence it will be sufficient to delay acceptance of the phenomenon ...
During the development of process they will have a better position to steer attention away from the fact that have known this presence all along.

As a scuba diving instructor you are trained to detect and anticipate developing panic in an early stage. Dealing with panic from a single person can endanger
a whole group ... you shouldn't wait till that happens !

[wynderer]

My thoughts are that it is more likely to be several contact events on a much smaller scale by ET groups. This would be much harder for NWO groups to control, but the impact across the planet would be huge.

I imagine it would be relatively easy for ET groups to allow progressively more conspicuous sightings of alien craft. This is where the possibility exists of similar false-flag events being created in an attempt to discredit genuine sightings. I’d also be wary of the reputed abilities of shadow-government groups to manipulate emotions and sensory input to make people believe they have been contacted by aliens. Discernment is the key.

As far as ‘sky battles’ go, I don’t think the military groups would be foolish enough to take on a bunch of technically advanced beings from other planets in a full scale conflict, no matter how much help they have had from negative ET’s. I certainly hope it doesn’t go that way.





Wow, that must have been quite a sight! What did it look like?

Hi Tigger, you bouncy chap you --

the 'sky battle' : i reported it to Brian Vike

http://www.hbccufo.org/

who replied that he had similar reports, different times & places

i was in West Chester PA at the time -- sitting outside at night w/the family dog there, & a Philly ghetto teenager -- off in the distance i suddenly saw very strange things -- this was a built-up & very hilly area , & i still don't quite understand how we saw it --

it looked kind of like the images/footages of the early 'Shock & Awe [what a pretentious name] attacks on the Iraqi people -- firing from the ground up, it seemed like -- big explosions ,in the air & on the ground, ground-level -- but completely silent -- i wondered if it were scalar -- it went on quite a while -- i got chilly & went in for a sweater -- the dog, my buddy, followed me --

once i was in the house, i realized that my entire body was vibrating, including my ears -- my dog buddy felt it also, & stuck her head between my legs -- i covered her ears w/my hands, & she liked that

when we went back out, the battle [if that's what it was] had stopped, but in another direction i saw a UFO, a craft/ship -- close to saucer-shaped -- it seemed to me that this is what was being fired on, & that because of the attack it was kind of stuck between dimensions -- eventually it disappeared -- i felt that this was a non-hostile to humans craft [for what my feelings/intuition are worth]

i was glad that the teen-age girl was there to see it, too -- confirmation that i wasn't hallucinating --but she never brought it up again

wynderer

[lightblue]

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wyndarer, your observations are quite amazing..


tigger:

As far as ‘sky battles’ go, I don’t think the military groups would be foolish enough to take on a bunch of technically advanced beings from other planets in a full scale conflict, no matter how much help they have had from negative ET’s. I certainly hope it doesn’t go that way.



i think you will find that the powers of the nwo are actually very plucky, their use of technology is thousands of years ahead of what they have us believe...just have a listen/read to some of the archived camelot interviews...surely, according to that, they would be "foolish enough" and get into a celestial punch up wyndarer is on about...l

[Snowbird]

there already is grotesque violence & death in many places on this planet -

This is on-going. This is historic. However, where is the massive gut-gripping fear and loathing in these remote places on this planet? Think 9/11 and what it produced for them. It is this type of gut-gripping fear and loathing that I am talking about.

[Humble Janitor]

I do not see the point of continuing to follow "predictions" and dates.

And once again, these folks we speak of are no longer in power. It is merely an illusion that they are.

[wynderer]

This is on-going. This is historic. However, where is the massive gut-gripping fear and loathing in these remote places on this planet? Think 9/11 and what it produced for them. It is this type of gut-gripping fear and loathing that I am talking about.

Hi Snowbird -- i'm glad you replied to this -- i felt badly about responding to your thoughtful post w/a snipe --confession: i'm quitting smoking & was having a bad day -- please forgive me

wynderer

[wynderer]

I do not see the point of continuing to follow "predictions" and dates.

And once again, these folks we speak of are no longer in power. It is merely an illusion that they are.

i don't get this 'illusion' thing -- if they aren't in power anymore, how come i still need money to live?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Wynderer ...great thread by the way ...

This article is typical of the type of information we all need to know....Should of been FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!!

“A national hero and the sixth man to walk on the moon said that your government and others have been in contact with ET’s for over 67 years. That’s an incredible statement. It was buried on page seven the next day in the NY Post…” Commercial Airline Pilot, Jim Courant

The statement above brought it into focus for me. If you want the “Truth” you have to go out and look for it. Our government has learned how to keep “Secrets” successfully for a very long time. But there are a handful of “Patriots” like Apollo astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell a scientists in his own right,(6th man to walk on the Moon) that believe this knowledge should be made public and therefore taking the control away from the Government and giving it to the people. Knowledge is power; power is to be managed with restraint, caution, accountability and honesty. The U.S. Government doesn’t think we can handle the truth, who are they to think what we can handle or not? We know one thing for sure they can’t handle themselves.

Open your minds, do you really think this is all there is to it? We go about our daily lives, get set into our mundane routines, self medicate with food, drugs, TV or sex to forget the stress of our days. When “Full Disclosure” happens, and it is in process now, I hope people are reading and paying attention to “Page 7” and not the catch phrase headlines that they pay people too much money to come up with.

If you pay attention, open your mind to any and all possibilities, you just might know what to do and when to do it to preserve what is your birthright, your freedom, your life and your family’s lives. We have to change, and by now we have learned that you have to want to change for it to happen.

The truth to me is so obviously clear that I sit and often wonder how many people are “clueless” to the fact that we have been living amongst ET’s for so long now. I have noticed that the 20 something’s that are the future of our beautiful country are tuned in, and my daughter who is 25 said, “ Dad, you know all those History Channel, Science Channel, TLC Channel shows you tape and watch over and over?” I said, “Yeah, what about it?” “Well all my friends have their TV sets stuck on those channels and that all they watch and talk about.” What she said resonated within me. I thought to myself, you know, when I was 25, was I really paying attention to what was going on in the world because I was just starting a family etc. I don’t know, but I realized that my daughters generation is paying attention and being a lot more open to believing the seemingly impossible things that are now being “Disclosed” as fact on a daily basis. Don’t believe me? Check for yourself, in the last 5 years I realized that everything they taught me in High School about science, math, physics, were all wrong! Especially our History books in my day. There have been not only more UFO sightings than any other time in written history worldwide lately. There have also been more movies, TV, Cable, programming on the Paranormal, Physics, How the Universe Works, UFO Hunters, Psychic Kids, Monster Quest, etc. etc. on TV and pounding it to whoever will listen. More countries are coming out and releasing their UFO classified files. They want transparency but the USA wants the control.

Physics in the public sector is just starting to make sense of some of these new discoveries and old discoveries but new disclosures on them. We are on the verge of discovering a live “Sasquatch” on B.C. Island. I just feel it coming fast and furious. They have found evidence of a huge population of the humanoid like ape creatures there, and being on an island makes the scientists work a lot easier. Not to forget to mention all of the new gadgetry that exist now for scientists, that were locked behind Military and Government control for years are now becoming available to the private sector for a price.

The Sumerians and the Mayans for example tried to document as best they could what was going on in their time on this planet. If we don’t “Pay attention” to what they wrote down, we will not learn any lessons, and I believe that is why we are here, to learn the truth and nothing but the truth, and we all know what the “Truth” does to you right?

Aug. 28, 2010

www.ufodigest.com/article/national-hero-and-sixth-man-walk-moon-comes-clean

viking

[monique]

Viking, the article from "ufodigest" is very good, thank you for bring it here.
I think disclosure is happen NOW. We must not think that disclosure come whit splendor as a miracle to save us from suffering and make us to grow up immediately. ET's don't are GOD, they have their life too. It is not about wait for news. We must work to make our freedom and hapiness all day, day by day. And fight against wars and poverty. When i see the film "2012" i realize that the destruction, devastation of the world, in all sense, is happen NOW. The violence was so great in the film that i realize that the powers that be will make that we think was occur now is few, for our disregard to what happen today, now. My sister live whit me in my house since the flood in Blumenau, Brasil, in 2008 - when she lose her house, her job, etc. Remember the earhquakes, Haiti; floods, Orleans, China, Polonia; active vulcanos and, oil spill in the Mexico Gulf and Niger; fire in Califórnia, Russia and in Brasil, etc. All are happen now. Best regards, Monique (forgive my english, hope you understand).

[wynderer]

Viking, the article from "ufodigest" is very good, thank you for bring it here.
I think disclosure is happen NOW. We must not think that disclosure come whit splendor as a miracle to save us from suffering and make us to grow up immediately. ET's don't are GOD, they have their life too. It is not about wait for news. We must work to make our freedom and hapiness all day, day by day. And fight against wars and poverty. When i see the film "2012" i realize that the destruction, devastation of the world, in all sense, is happen NOW. The violence was so great in the film that i realize that the powers that be will make that we think was occur now is few, for our disregard to what happen today, now. My sister live whit me in my house since the flood in Blumenau, Brasil, in 2008 - when she lose her house, her job, etc. Remember the earhquakes, Haiti; floods, Orleans, China, Polonia; active vulcanos and, oil spill in the Mexico Gulf and Niger; fire in Califórnia, Russia and in Brasil, etc. All are happen now. Best regards, Monique (forgive my english, hope you understand).

interesting point, Monique -- that disclosure is happening now, is already happening -- all the sightings all over the world -- Alex Collier says that disclosure will happen [is happening?] in a grassroots way -- & more & more people speaking out like in the article Viking posted -- so we are in the middle of disclosure, real disclosure, right now -- Agape's threads here are a part of that -- i think you're right!

this kind of disclosure might lead to the NWO seeing the need for their own 'disclosure' -- they , the elite, are such control freaks

there are a lot more natural disasters happening also -- the floods & earthquakes & volcanoes etc that you mention -- when i first got online, in 2000? 2001? the earthquakes were all around 2.0 -3.0 on the Richter scale -- now 4.0 -5.0 are common -- i try to avoid massmedia, especially TV [& especially since they forced that HDTV on us, here in the USA], so i don't know how TPTB are presenting all these disasters -- i gather from what you say that they are not giving the broad view of them, that disasters are increasing

tho some of these are man-made, imo -- not that who made them matters so much to those who lose homes & loved ones -- i am sorry that your sister was flooded out

[Humble Janitor]

i don't get this 'illusion' thing -- if they aren't in power anymore, how come i still need money to live?

There are people who live without money everyday in what we call third-world countries. I can't attest to their happiness but I believe they have mastered the ability to break the mental hold that currency has on people.

[wynderer]

There are people who live without money everyday in what we call third-world countries. I can't attest to their happiness but I believe they have mastered the ability to break the mental hold that currency has on people.

i wasn't referring to how to be happy w/o money -- i was referring to your saying that it is only an illusion that the elite are still in power -- imo, everything is an illusion in a sense -- but i'm not living in that dimension -- here i am in my 3D physical body, typing away on the keyboard of my 3D physical computer, & i presume you read my post w/your 3D physical eyes & typed on your 3D physical computer -- seems pretty real to me

in this same 3D physical world, as i see it, the elite are STILL in power -- you may not have had them take away your child, or bomb your country, or destroy its economy -- but all that is pretty real to those its happening to

poverty is no fun in this 3D world -- having experienced it myself, & only the USA version at that -- imo, again, most so called 'third world' poor people have bought into the Amerikan dream, & are not happy w/their poverty -- i agree w/Alex Collier re the ET [good guy ET] view of poverty on Earth -- it's not something to dance in the streets about -- it's something humans should be ashamed of

[Moemers]

There are people who live without money everyday in what we call third-world countries. I can't attest to their happiness but I believe they have mastered the ability to break the mental hold that currency has on people.

They don't live without money because they choose to. HUGE difference.

[Snowbird]

Hi Snowbird -- i'm glad you replied to this -- i felt badly about responding to your thoughtful post w/a snipe --confession: i'm quitting smoking & was having a bad day -- please forgive me

wynderer

:whoo: I've been there, done that! Keep up the good work! :peace:

[wynderer]

If one was forced to guess on the method and actions that take place to bring a emergent race up to spacefaring and intergrative (blending in full knowledge with other species) speed, one would have to look at the state of 'human (in this case) psychology, physiology, circumstance, etc.

Then one might come to the conclusion that humanity must get itself together, and do so peacefully..but it must do this on it's own. For a group of beings, like humans, who are clannish and subject to deep issues..may just become something akin to 'dangerous' to all iinterdimensional and interstellar 'others' who may be out there at this time.

Meaning, humans might turn toward clannishness, and tribal viewpoints... that are detrimental to much of who and what they may attempt to integrate with, while beginning and following through their new developmental curve. The fear should be dealt with, in order to have it leave, first and foremost.

Much of this, like the emergence of a chick from an eggshell ('the cracking of the cosmic egg') will happen simultaneously, it would seem, with a plethora of other states of mind and realities.

yes -- a scary thought -- humans, both your regular old throw-the-trash-out-the-car-window humans, & your genetically enhanced humans, going out freely into the galaxy & universe

[monique]

Wynderer, thank you but don't worry about my sister, she is fine, i give her story whit the flood as an example. If she don't lose her house, etc, i don't realize was occur in the world whit people in all catastrophes right now. When we see things like Orleans and Haiti in the midia, TV, press, is one think but if we were in these countries ... Oh !
You make very good to avoid TV and standart press. TPTB supress information and give notices in a sense that make a tumult in our thoughts. I believe some catastrophes are man made and others are natural. Believe that we can't claim and scream for a veracious-proved to be true-TRUTH like the church and politics in theory bring to us. I find Exopolitics very interesting, but is ready for use - and sounds like our loved democracy wich is so weak, fragile, now. I believe Exopolitics is a kind of disclosure - but perhaps is for domination of people too. Best regards, Monique.

[jcocks]

The disclosure will happen a lot faster than the going out into the universe bit...

We're not in the slightest bit ready for venturing out into the universe, a lot of education needs to happen before that can take place, it'll take decades after disclosure before we are truly an interstellar race... but the disclosure itself can happen relatively easily and painlessly and let each handle the information in their own way and time.

The one does not automatically and instantly lead to the other, get that point quite clear. They are quite seperate, and in fact, disclosure could occur without us ever reaching out amongst the stars, should we not handle the information that disclosure brings well....