A question concerning the God of the bible.

[truth4me]

One simple question. If your God then why do you want to be worshipped?

[Kano]

Lots of good questions like that can be asked about the God of the Bible. To me, I find there to be quite the conundrum in having an all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing God. One of them cannot be true.

[Fred Steeves]

One simple question. If your God then why do you want to be worshipped?

Because I would be a psychopath.

[greybeard]

One simple question. If your God then why do you want to be worshipped?

I dont believe for one moment that "God" needs anything.
We/some of us get comfort from praying and sometimes prayers for healing etc are answered.
So prayer can be powerful.

Chris

[jagman]

He is the Alpha and the Omega, No begining . No ending...He gave us "freewill" Too choose to love him or not. Before Jesus left the earth and
returned to his Father He left one commandment. John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

[pugwash84]

Maybe he doesn't want to be worshiped but maybe it is right to worship the creator of all life.

[ulli]

One simple question. If your God then why do you want to be worshipped?

because the act of worship benefits the one who gives direction to that emotion....
have you ever tried?

worshipping pets (my speciality) or worshipping people or celebrities can get one stuck....or trapped,
so by worshipping God one leaves one's options open, since God can't be materialized.

The main thing is to feel that emotion as it is necessary to be creative...it is the fuel which when added to vision and intent begets future reality.

The opposite of worship is hate, and that is a fuel, too, but not for creativity, but for distruction.

Either emotion is a fuel, basically. Energy. That's all.

[GK76]

If I ever wanted to be worshipped as God it would tell me one thing... that I'd taken the wrong path and that I'd be one of those who would be queueing up at the RFID chip counter for my latest upgrade... More programming please I feel my ego's hold slipping slightly! Truly it would mean you couldn't be further from being a God... except in your own tiny world (the one with padded walls).

Oh yup, just to add: In no way is the god of the bible to be connected to the source of all life "God". The bible is a mess of esoteric scripts of scientific and astrological facts as understood by the ancients and hidden from the world in allegorical form to make sure only the select few can understand... start with the work of Santos Bonacci (he works from sources through history, many of which were murdered by the inquisition - as if that wasn't an obvious enough sign). Research, don't accept it as fact.

[Kano]

Maybe he doesn't want to be worshiped but maybe it is right to worship the creator of all life.

Or maybe the God of the Bible is not the creator or ALL life but simply a creator one kind of life. A small "g" god rather than a big "G" God. In this respect, that god should not be worshipped because that god is actually just like us, a creator being. Only in this case, the creator-god had access to higher technology.

[SKAWF]

“Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky.
Who watches everything you do every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do.
And if you do any of these things,
he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever,
and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time................................................................................................ ............. But he loves you.''

george carlin

the answer is, that no god would would give us an infinity to be experienced in an infinite number of ways,
only to have us live in accordance with a book.

religion is man made.

and 'god' is an external surrogate for the highest aspect of our own being.

we are god

steve

[truth4me]

He is the Alpha and the Omega, No begining . No ending...He gave us "freewill" Too choose to love him or not. Before Jesus left the earth and
returned to his Father He left one commandment. John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. Worshippng and loving have different meanings.

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Maybe he doesn't want to be worshiped but maybe it is right to worship the creator of all life. Another question. How do we know the God of the bible is the creator of all life?

[jagman]

The invisible man in the sky lol I have a question? Have you ever asked The God of the Bible to show you he is real? Not in a challenging way
but in an inquisitive manner? If not truth4me, I challenge you to do so.

[SKAWF]

the mechanism is easy to see.

as a mere mortal....... if we ever came into contact with the true god (just supposing)
i can quite see how we would be in such awe of it, that i would drop to my knee's.
its a natural reaction.

if i were to manipulate religion...... i would have it so that you MUST drop to your knee's

just a slight tip of of the balance.
get people to accept that little bit,
and over time, you can pile whatever you want over the top of it.

just a thought.

[heyokah]

The opposite of worship is hate, and that is a fuel, too, but not for creativity, but for distruction.

Either emotion is a fuel, basically. Energy. That's all.

Isn't denigrate the opposite of worship? ;-)

[ulli]

The opposite of worship is hate, and that is a fuel, too, but not for creativity, but for distruction.

Either emotion is a fuel, basically. Energy. That's all.

Isn't denigrate the opposite of worship? ;-)

I'm not sure.
If worship is stronger than love, and denigrate is stronger than hate, then I admit it would be the better choice.
Does not using it take away from the point I was trying to make?

[heyokah]

The opposite of worship is hate, and that is a fuel, too, but not for creativity, but for distruction.

Either emotion is a fuel, basically. Energy. That's all.

Isn't denigrate the opposite of worship? ;-)

I'm not sure.
If worship is stronger than love, and denigrate is stronger than hate, then I admit it would be the better choice.
Does not using it take away from the point I was trying to make?

"The emotion of worshipping God is necessary to be creative."......
Was that the point you were trying to make?

According to that point I will never be able to be creative then. Poor me.... ;)

[ulli]

The opposite of worship is hate, and that is a fuel, too, but not for creativity, but for distruction.

Either emotion is a fuel, basically. Energy. That's all.

Isn't denigrate the opposite of worship? ;-)

I'm not sure.
If worship is stronger than love, and denigrate is stronger than hate, then I admit it would be the better choice.
Does not using it take away from the point I was trying to make?

"The emotion of worshipping God is necessary to be creative."......
Was that the point you were trying to make?

According to that point I will never be able to be creative then. Poor me.... ;)


Depends on the level of creativity someone aspires to.
Books can be written, symphonies can be composed, all without worshipping God.
Although some inspirational inner flow needs to be present to create sufficient motivation.

However, if the sky is the limit, I might see myself one day wanting to seed an entire galaxy.

I keep forgetting that people attach different associations to words...
My experience of God has nothing to do with religious learning, but with direct experience, which unfortunately can't be shared.

The same goes for my understanding of worship, and how emotional flow is a matter of degree, similar to Voltage, or water pressure in a pipe.

[observer]

Dr. Joseph Farrell is first, and foremost a theologian, he has a PhD. in Patristics.

Listen to this interview on "Yahweh, The Two Faced God", Part 1:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5YjMuFC0Z8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5YjMuFC0Z8

"Yahweh, The Two Faced God", Part 2:

http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html
(scroll-down the page, and click-on Part 2 inside the dialogue box of that title.


Or, perhaps you would prefer to listen to this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzMaQPZi2Z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzMaQPZi2Z4

[ghostrider]

I have a hard time with the teaching of King James and his scribes, die go to heaven and day and night worshipping God telling him something he already knows , sounds like self importance issues, I know I'm great but unless someone tells me over and over I don't believe it. The teaching of spirit is so corrupted, earthlings only want war and death and a king to look to , then we don't have to take any responsibilty for ourselves, everything is provided for. Anyone with the good of humanity at heart , we kill and sanitize the teaching to keep the king in control and power. I love reading other teachings beside King James' AUTHORIZED VERSION. give me the unauthorized teaching not a version.

[truth4me]

Maybe he doesn't want to be worshiped but maybe it is right to worship the creator of all life.

Or maybe the God of the Bible is not the creator or ALL life but simply a creator one kind of life. A small "g" god rather than a big "G" God. In this respect, that god should not be worshipped because that god is actually just like us, a creator being. Only in this case, the creator-god had access to higher technology.Bingo! We have a winner! In the Talmud of Jmmanuel it talks about what you have posted. Creation itself is above of all including highly advanced ET's."god" according to Jmmanuel was a highly advanced spiritual human whom was below creation itself.

[sirdipswitch]

The God, of the bible, is NOT, the Source, that I know and talk with daily.

[Star Tsar]

I always wondered if the Rastafarian Jah is the same as YHWH/Jehovah/Yahweh?

From what I have read so far they are no scratch that the mainstream view is that Jah the word is derived from Jehovah.
But it can't be this being

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Makes no sense to me!

:confused:

[jagman]

Does the God of the Bible deserve to be worshipped? (This is clearly just an opinion) My answer is YES. He gave his only begotten son to the world
because of Adam & Eves transgressions. You see it took another perfect man to fix the problem which saved us all. Try to imagine just for a minute that your only son or daughter had to die in order to save the world. Jesus not only gave his life but he was also tortured for hours.
Jesus was a perfect man but he was also human, He felt pain just like you or me.

[Star Tsar]

Would'nt a more loving father give himself rather than his only begotten son?

[jagman]

Would'nt a more loving father give himself rather than his only begotten son?

Jesus chose to come to Earth when he was in Heaven. A fact he didnt even remember until he was baptized by John

[ulli]

Would'nt a more loving father give himself rather than his only begotten son?

There was a historical and cultural back story here:
If a Jewish householder had to get a message to another householder he would send a messenger.
He would never go in person.
If the nature of the message was of special importance he would send one of his sons.
In the case of a really important message he would send his eldest son.

[Beren]

Again and again these questions pop back up...
They were and are being answered all the time until the newbie arises with the same question again.
And that`s OK.

It`s the God`s kid and God itself in the future, asking the question of who am I...

There is no God of the Bible.
In this context there is only God of Catholics,Orthodox,Protestants(all the Christian denominations really).

God is above our fantasy about him or more precise it.
God is a spirit and God is Love.

We see, hear, touch, taste, breathe, feel ,live , experience God every single moment of our timeless existence...it`s just that we`re not always aware of this.
And Bible is one of the many tools in God`s hands.

Eventually one stop needing tools to understand God and to experience God.
I notice that here we`re constantly debating of which tool is better but we mostly as a group miss the core.

Bible won`t open your eyes. Neither Koran,Vedas,Talmud,Buddhism,Taoism,Meditation,Yoga,special food diets,or spiritual practices.

Key moment of your own point of awareness and further experience is your own choice to BE aware, then on - nothing will ever stop you in the process of eye opening and awareness.
Since we`re multidimensional - same is the experience of the tools (Bible,Koran,Buddhism...etc...)


It`s time to finally "get" this and move on...universe is waiting :)

[greybeard]

It is our nature ask questions but surely the most important question is

"What am I?"

That is not a question addressed to finding out about the persona or mind or body but the deep truth of our eternal Self that which was never born and can never die.
Till that is answered are not other questions somewhat secondary?
Who is it that asks the questions?
Find out what is asking and you will find the Truth of what God is---- One without a second.

Regards Chris

[Carmen]

The god of the Old Testament is a whole different cat from the God of the New Testament. Jehovah was an advanced tyrant who demanded obedience and worship. Definitely god with a small 'g'. The Life and intelligence of all the manifest world is not a man, it is the All in All.

[humanalien]

Does the God of the Bible deserve to be worshipped? (This is clearly just an opinion) My answer is YES. He gave his only begotten son to the world
because of Adam & Eves transgressions. You see it took another perfect man to fix the problem which saved us all. Try to imagine just for a minute that your only son or daughter had to die in order to save the world. Jesus not only gave his life but he was also tortured for hours.
Jesus was a perfect man but he was also human, He felt pain just like you or me.

Although i believe in God and Jesus, I also believe that mankind is
really nothing more than game of sorts to God. Maybe like chess.

Before our time began, there was a war in heaven between lucifer
and God and as a result, lucifer and one third of all angels, were
cast out of heaven. Lucifer was cast down to earth to await his judgement.

Then God remodels earth so to speak. It was already here but maybe
in a slightly different orbit and earth was in an ice age. So God puts
earth back in it's current orbit and then creates all life, back on this
planet. Then God creates adam and eve, knowing that lucifer
(now renamed satan) was here also.

So, even in our earliest beginnings, were were set up to fail, right
from the start. You can liken eve with children, in that children are
far to trusting of people, even complete strangers. (Come to me
sweety, i got some candy for you).

God knew that eve would not be able to resist what satan was offering
her, so she took it and then gave it to adam. (Women always get us
guys into trouble. LOL)

Although adam and eve were adults at the time, they never had been
warned about satan and the lies he would tell. They had no idea what
a lie was. Like a child, they believed what satan had told them.

Like i said, mankind was purposely, set up to fail because to God, our
lives are just a game to him.

What father would leave their children, anywhere near a convicted
murderer, a lier, a thief and so on and not expect anything to happen
to the child? I surely wouldn't.

If everything in the bible is really true, then we have been had by
God himself. Don't blame satan for the short comings of God.....

Then, instead of just recreating adam and eve, since they had been
corrupted, he lets adam and eve breed more life on this planet, knowing
that most of us would be corrupted in the end. The first born of eve
was corrupted already when he killed his brother abel. Why didn't he
just start all over again, knowing mankind is corruptible?

We are just pawns in Gods game of chess. He doesn't love us,
he loves the game.

Before i forget, jesus dying on the cross for our sins doesn't make
sense, since he knew that he would be resurrected. Jesus and God
both knew that before Jesus became a man.

Are you seeing a game in play here?

[Krullenjongen]

One simple question. If your God then why do you want to be worshipped?

I dont believe for one moment that "God" needs anything.
We/some of us get comfort from praying and sometimes prayers for healing etc are answered.
So prayer can be powerful.

Chris

I think you are right here.
It would be kind of silly that an all powerfull God would need anything.
If he needed anything he would not be God!

I believe worshipping God makes you God centered.
If you are God centered you aspire to be more like God and this brings out the best in people.
God know that if we love Him and have a relationship with Him we will grow to be more loving and caring for Him, ourselves and our neighbour.
But he does not require it, it is still our God given right (free will) not to do so.



P.s. for anyone who says God needs or demands worship, can you give me a reference of source? I would like to check that out.

[latshaw]

Worship is defined as reverence, admiration and love. We each have a divine spark of God within us. We are to honor, revere, and love our eartly father (and mother) - Parents. He is our heavenly father - parent of our Spirit. When we love, and honor and show reverence for Him, we are showing, love, honor and reverence to ourselves. It is like forgiveness. When we forgive someone, we are the one that really benefits because the toxic hate, need for revenge is healed. It allows the other person also to know acceptance and the true meaning of love.

May you be blessed with the Most High Love. Latshaw

[modwiz]

Bible won`t open your eyes. Neither Koran,Vedas,Talmud,Buddhism,Taoism,Meditation,Yoga,special food diets,or spiritual practices.


No, but an ice bath sure will.

I did a deep edit to a beautiful post of yours, Beren. Humor is sometimes dirty work.

[shadowstalker]

So where is gods wife to procreate a son?
How can one sacrifice something that can never be lost.
Why would a loving god beset plagues/wars/pestilence upon the world?
Why would a loving god let his creations stay ignorant of who they truly are?
How could an all knowing god not know where his 200 angels went?
Why would angels need ships to travel?
Why would a loving god not keep the devil in his place knowing how FRAGILE HIS CREATIONS WHERE TO BEGIN WITH?
why would a loving god make a bet with the devil?
Why would a pure Representative of god I.E. Jesus need to be baptized.

And so many more questions?

And why would I want to worship such an imperfect god..:confused:

[Jules]

Jane Doe:

I am the unknown poet, who strives to speak in rhyme,
to weave the words of human thought, spilling from my mind.
To give a voice to those of us, faceless without names,
to comment on the world at large, or what of it remains.

I am the unknown artist, who paints in brilliant hues,
the things that no one wants to see, ideas of human ruse.
While searching for reality, within a world of lies,
I'm brushing truths on canvas, unveiling their disguise.

I am the unknown living soul, trapped within my shell,
seeking signs of heaven, facing those of hell.
A life filled with potential, soon gone without a trace,
who knew that rats were winning, within the human race.

I am the unknown dreamer, who prays for hope and peace,
imprisoned in a haunted mind, where death will find release.
For now, I am a poet, who no one seems to know.
Perhaps someday, someone will ask, who was this Jane (Van) Doe?


Vincent Van Doe's wife.

[161803398]

I have always had a God since ever I can remember and that is a long time because I have very early memories of childhood. One day my aunt convinced my parents to send me to Sunday school. I was very excited at first but then I read about the God in the Bible. I knew right away that wasn't God. Sometimes I hear the name Yahweh or Jehovah. I find the idea of God having a name offensive. That is why I was so happy to read the Gospel of Judas where Jesus said that his God did not have a name. The reason for the baptism is to remember that when your crown chakra is activated you will feel the sensation of cold water running down your head. The water in the Church Baptism is too cold though. But that ceremony is to remind people because, at some point in history, people must have known what they were doing. God will keep any evil away. In fact, you might even get a verbal warning if anything bad is going to happen. But people aren't listening very often.

[panopticon]

One simple question. If your God then why do you want to be worshipped?

That's a pretty easy question to answer:

Exodus 20:5
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God

Deuteronomy 6:13
For the LORD your God is a jealous God among you

As to where it is written in the Bible, it is not said that God needs humans to worship rather that God requires them too:

Matthew 4:10
You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.

Luke 4:8
You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.

If ya don't God's mob reckon you miss out on a seat when the music stops.

As for my feelings on the matter:

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[Strat]

I think I have the most healthy answer for you: "I don't know."

As humans we have this need to understand how things work: We make laws for nature to follow (which is one of the most absurd things I can think of). We like to think we know how everything works; water is wet, the sky is blue and the earth is ground.

But we don't have it all figured out though, we have two separate laws for physics and we can't explain how they mesh together seamlessly to make reality. The smartest minds on the planet don't understand it.

Similarly, I don't believe anyone has 'It' (God) figured out. There's a whole lot of "maybe's" in this thread and that's good in my opinion. I wouldn't want to fool myself into thinking I've God figured out when our entire human race hardly has a grip on reality itself. Also admitting you don't have 'It' figured out draws you closer as you immerse yourself in research.

I believe this type of research facilitates wisdom. Shadowstalker's post is a perfect example. There are so many questions that need investigating and each question may lead to another question, many of which may not have plausible answers. If you follow this route you become a deep thinker and realize the spectrum of possibilities.