Israel lobbyist openly calls for a false flag to get into war with Iran. Holy Crap.

[Aquai]

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how much more blatant can it get? Please, SHARE THIS VIDEO.

[WhiteFeather]

Whats the name of this AssClown? I've Never seen him performing in the circus before. Perhaps hes looking for a position in Haliburton. I hear they are hiring soon.

[DevilPigeon]

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They're getting desperate, they need to engineer events to fit in with their self-imposed/pre-defined timelines... Time is running out and things aren't running to schedule. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[seko]

This is bull@@@t.

So Iran is the evil one ??? yeah right!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Whats the name of this AssClown?
Patrick Clawson, Director for Research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Clawson).

[DevilPigeon]

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Assuming that life as a whole is one big game, and is paralleled in a lot of movies etc, then I see this ejit as a "wannabe player", a "useful idiot", a "convenient mouthpiece". Nothing more. He's not a big player. How many times in movies have you seen the small-fry villains get "whacked" at some point in the film, a lot of the time double-crossed by bigger villains, or "conveniently disposed of" when the time is right...?

[Flash]

Doesn't he sound and even looks (observe the head gestures) like Bush junior???

Edit: this is not a compliment, but a remark on stupidity

[christian]

Whats the name of this AssClown? I've Never seen him performing in the circus before. Perhaps hes looking for a position in Haliburton. I hear they are hiring soon.

Quote from the video description of the full discussion, this is from the Washington Institutes official YouTube channel:



Patrick Clawson is director of research and head of the Iran Security Initiative at the Institute. A Persian speaker, he is the author or editor of eighteen books and studies on Iran as well as more than 150 articles on the Middle East. Previously, he served at the National Defense University, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, among other institutions.

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[TargeT]

he went through and listed EVERY (Major) false flag operation that the US has experienced, then basicaly said we should sink an iranian submarine..... wow...

[Phoenix]

Whats the name of this AssClown? I've Never seen him performing in the circus before. Perhaps hes looking for a position in Haliburton. I hear they are hiring soon.

Quote from the video description of the full discussion, this is from the Washington Institutes official YouTube channel:



Patrick Clawson is director of research and head of the Iran Security Initiative at the Institute. A Persian speaker, he is the author or editor of eighteen books and studies on Iran as well as more than 150 articles on the Middle East. Previously, he served at the National Defense University, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, among other institutions.

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That's quite a resume for the bad guys.

[GlassSteagallfan]

GSf to Patrick Clawson: STFU

[frodo13]

Hey whitefeather you made a anagram out of his name except for extra s. On purpose or not that made me laugh.;)

[ExomatrixTV]

Ikt70OLVsrc

Patrick Clawson of the influential Neo-con Washington Institute for Near East Studies OPENLY suggests that the US should provoke Iran into taking the first shot.Israel Lobbyist suggests False Flag attack to start war with Iran. Just like 911 in New York causing the deaths of American civilians and soldiers, a million dead Iraqis and for what?

[ThePythonicCow]

Patrick Clawson of the influential Neo-con Washington Institute for Near East Studies OPENLY suggests that the US should provoke Iran into taking the first shot.Israel Lobbyist suggests False Flag attack to start war with Iran. Just like 911 in New York causing the deaths of American civilians and soldiers, a million dead Iraqis and for what?
I merged this thread into the existing thread on this topic.

[Calz]

Those following this topic may be interested in something from Kerry's blog. I was not able to listen to tonight's show but I did give a listen to "part 2" of an archived show posted by Waterman recorded Sept. 24th.

Pretty intense stuff there.

(Look for the Sept 25 update on Waterman's site below)

_____________________


TONIGHT: WATERMAN FILES ON 82 PAGE INTEL DOCUMENT
Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:14
Written by Kerry Cassidy RECOMMENDED: TONIGHT AT 9PM EST LISTEN TO: DR. JOHN WATERMAN - THE WATERMAN FILES

He wrote: Tuesday night I will be covering the 82 page classified document (draft) that is being worked on by 16 intelligence agencies including the Pentagon. General Dempsey is the 18th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. By law he is the highest ranking military officer, and he is the leading author of this document. This document has now put him in the crosshairs of the Mossad.

You can participate in the discussion I will be having about this information Tuesday night at 9pm eastern.


Call in number is 858 683-1309


NSearch Radio Network link here

http://thewatermanfiles.com/


http://projectcamelotportal.com/

_______________________


URGENT GCIG INTEL UPDATE

The following is part 2 of “The Scenario”. Members can find part 1 in the download files. However, part 2 is such a time sensitive and important topic, that it is being posted for all to hear.

http://thewatermanfiles.com/

[ExomatrixTV]

~everybody KNOWS that USA gave ISRAHELL Nukes and is 100% illegal & criminal according to all (international) laws. What if China or Russia or both GAVE Nuclear Missiles to Iran to balance this? ... it is like "mutual assured destruction" which was the Cold War policy NOT to use Nukes because ultimately no one would survive this and vast majority of the people of Israel & Iran are against wars anyway.


Think about that!

[Aquai]

uhm, just wondering mod(s) why would you move this from current events, to conspiracy research...?

[bluestflame]

what is important to notice here is what seems to be a trend of people in positions of power that would normally only THINK these things and come up with some plausible vehicle to deliver thier agenda and speak of something that appears totally different on the surface with use of clever trigger words to market the acceptance of thier still hidden agenda to the public

in essence, it seems, they CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES from opening thier mouths and letting it out , almost like they are getting a dose of sodium pentothal at the cellular/energetic level

i rekon this will become more obvious as time passes and more people start to take note

[Flash]

Or they think the large, untrained public, will buy their stories and plan. I can easily imagine a group of American hillbellies saying loud and clear, and voting for it, that we have to manipulate the countries we do not have a stronghold on into making problems so that we can hammer them down. And participating to all the marketing strategies to make sure the messages is passed along.

And voting for it, as they voted for Bush junior the second time around (the first time he baiscally stole the election).

[Aquai]

Or they think the large, untrained public, will buy their stories and plan.

This seems very likely, if this video ever even gets played on the MSM(doubt it). Thats probably why he was talking so openly.... because he knew that CNN/FOX/EtC would not report it.

[Flash]

Or he knew they may: and some regular tugs in the public would say: Ya, Ya, lets do it and then we can play Rambo (the ya is intentional)

[mountain_jim]

Those following this topic may be interested in something from Kerry's blog. I was not able to listen to tonight's show but I did give a listen to "part 2" of an archived show posted by Waterman recorded Sept. 24th.

Pretty intense stuff there.

(Look for the Sept 25 update on Waterman's site below)

_____________________


TONIGHT: WATERMAN FILES ON 82 PAGE INTEL DOCUMENT
Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:14
Written by Kerry Cassidy RECOMMENDED: TONIGHT AT 9PM EST LISTEN TO: DR. JOHN WATERMAN - THE WATERMAN FILES

He wrote: Tuesday night I will be covering the 82 page classified document (draft) that is being worked on by 16 intelligence agencies including the Pentagon. General Dempsey is the 18th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. By law he is the highest ranking military officer, and he is the leading author of this document. This document has now put him in the crosshairs of the Mossad.

You can participate in the discussion I will be having about this information Tuesday night at 9pm eastern.


Call in number is 858 683-1309


NSearch Radio Network link here

http://thewatermanfiles.com/


http://projectcamelotportal.com/

_______________________


URGENT GCIG INTEL UPDATE

The following is part 2 of “The Scenario”. Members can find part 1 in the download files. However, part 2 is such a time sensitive and important topic, that it is being posted for all to hear.

http://thewatermanfiles.com/

Before Kerry posted of this, I learned a day earlier about it from this VT article:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/24/israels-netanyahu-and-the-jewish-neocons-in-america-vow-revenge/

(excerpt)



U.S. Intelligence Community Warns That Israel is a “Rogue State”

Now comes yet another dramatic moment in American and Israeli history. According to the authoritative Foreign Policy Journal, all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA, the DEA, the NSA, the FBI, and others—have drafted an amazing, 82-page classified report entitled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.”

Currently being reviewed by the White House and by key Congressional leaders, the report brilliantly analyzes geo-politics and economics in the Middle East and globally. It concludes that Zionist Israel is the greatest single threat to American security and to the American economy. JHF NOTE: According to Frank Lamb, “US Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East?” Foreign Policy Journal, its findings include:
■Israel, given its current brutal occupation and belligerence cannot be salvaged any more than apartheid South Africa could be when as late as 1987 Israel was the only “Western” nation that upheld diplomatic ties with South Africa and was the last country to join the international boycott campaign before the regime collapsed;
■The Israel leadership, with its increasing support of the 700,000 settlers in illegal colonies in the occupied West Bank is increasing out of touch with the political, military and economic realities of the Middle East;
■The post Labor government Likud coalition is deeply complicit with and influenced by the settlers’ political and financial power and will increasingly face domestic civil strife which the US government should not associate itself with or become involved with;
■The Arab Spring and Islamic Awakening has to a major degree freed a large majority of the 1.2 billion Arab and Muslims to pursue what an overwhelming majority believe is the illegitimate, immoral and unsustainable European occupation of Palestine of the indigenous population;
■Simultaneous with, but predating, rapidly expanding Arab and Muslim power in the region as evidenced by the Arab spring, Islamic Awakening and the ascendancy of Iran, as American power and influence recedes, the US commitment to belligerent oppressive Israel is becoming impossible to defend or execute consistent given paramount US national interests which include normalizing relations with the 57 Islamic countries;
■Gross Israeli interference in the internal affairs of the United States through spying and illegal US arms transfers. This includes supporting more than 60 ‘front organizations’ and approximately 7,500 US officials who do Israel’s bidding and seek to dominate and intimidate the media and agencies of the US government which should no longer be condoned;
■That the United States government no longer has the financial resources, or public support to continue funding Israel. The billions of dollars in direct and indirect aid from US taxpayers to Israel since 1967 is not affordable and is increasingly being objected to by US taxpayers who oppose continuing American military involvement in the Middle East. US public opinion no longer supports funding and executing widely perceived illegal US wars on Israel’s behalf. This view is increasingly being shared by Europe, Asia and the International public;
■Israel’s segregationist occupation infrastructure evidenced by legalized discrimination and increasingly separate and unequal justice systems must no longer be directly or indirectly funded by the US taxpayers or ignored by the US government;
■Israel has failed as a claimed democratic state and continued American financial and political cover will not change its continuing devolution as international pariah state;
■Increasingly, rampant and violent racism exhibited among Jewish settlers in the West Bank is being condoned by the Israeli government to a degree that the Israel government has become its protector and partner;
■The expanding chasm among American Jews objecting to Zionism and Israeli practices, including the killing and brutalizing of Palestinians under Israeli occupation, are gross violations of American and International law and raise questions within the US Jewish community regarding the American responsibility to protect (R2P) innocent civilians under occupation;
■The international opposition to the increasingly apartheid regime can no longer be synchronized with American claimed humanitarian values or US expectations in its bi-lateral relations with the 193 member United Nations;
■The Draft ends with language about the need to avoid entangling alliances that alienate much of the World and condemn American citizens to endure the consequences.

Israel Cannot Be Salvaged

Among its many startling deductions is the report’s cogent analysis that “Israel, given its current brutal occupation and belligerence, cannot be salvaged.” It further states that Israel is wickedly “out of touch with the political, military, and economic realities of the Middle East.”

[mountain_jim]

And later, Duff of VT has this

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/25/press-tv-netanyahu-the-desperate-despot/



Eleven years ago, 1/8th of Lower Manhattan was vaporized in what is officially, based on demonstrable effects, the largest man-made “event” in history. Yesterday, Kevin Barrett, in an article for Press TV’s “Viewpoint,” made the case for Israeli involvement.

Barrett’s observation is of the behavior of Israel’s mercurial and increasingly unstable Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, whose obsession with a third consecutive disastrous war in the Middle East, to be fought by Americans, mind you, is inexplicable.

Netanyahu sees the writing on the wall, that 9/11 is going to be dumped on his doorstep after the election.

The “Danse Macabre” so many have engaged in, the mythical tale of imaginary hijackers, vast underground military bases in Afghanistan, perhaps built by aliens, the ones that mysteriously vanished along with Iraq’s vast “weapons of mass destruction” program, was only plausible for just so long.

The reality of today is clear. The White House and Pentagon are unwilling to submit to Netanyahu’s increasingly delusional ramblings.

....

[Forevernyt]

I don't know. There's something fishy about this video. My spidey senses are telling me this is a hoax. He looks like he's been projected into the scene. It doesn't look real.

I could be wrong.

UPDATE: I was wrong. I watched the longer video and it's all there.

Ignore me and continue on.

[seko]

This meeting between Jews and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the true nature of the love that the Jews and the Iranians have between each other.

I'm not sure if this meeting is at the UN from September 2012 or from some other time and place?

My guess is that is old, 2007?? ... but still is good to watch it.

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[Prodigal Son]

I'd feel a heck of a lot better having Ahmadinejad stay in my guest room rather than Dick Cheney.... that man is a walking Black Hole...

Whitefeather nailed it .... AssClown :nod:

[Prodigal Son]

~everybody KNOWS that USA gave ISRAHELL Nukes and is 100% illegal & criminal according to all (international) laws. What if China or Russia or both GAVE Nuclear Missiles to Iran to balance this? ... it is like "mutual assured destruction" which was the Cold War policy NOT to use Nukes because ultimately no one would survive this and vast majority of the people of Israel & Iran are against wars anyway.



Iran doesn't have to get nukes from Russia or China. They can deal directly with Halliburton....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a1_1180146218

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/2-halliburton-charged-with-selling-nuclear-technologies-to-iran/

[Akasha]

This meeting between Jews and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the true nature of the love that the Jews and the Iranians have between each other.

I'm not sure if this meeting is at the UN from September 2012 or from some other time and place?

My guess is that is old, 2007?? ... but still is good to watch it.

bCw-oWp1wf8

I wish this video was showing Israeli leaders but I think they are actually members of the Haredi minority group, Neturei Karta (http://www.nkusa.org). The second man to shake hands with Ahmadinejad looks very much like Dovid Weiss, one of their key spokesmen.

Neturei Karta are against the state of Israel. They believe that, according to the Torah, "any form of forceful recapture of the Land of Israel is a violation of divine will. They believe that the restoration of the Land of Israel to the Jews should only happen with the coming of the Messiah, not by self-determination" (wiki).

The following video is also worth slipping in at this stage to IMHO

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[Butangeld]

So deranged is this group of people that they refer to America as if simply it were a dog that refuses to attack a stranger. They have a faulty dog and are imagining ways in which to trick their dog. Their insanity is such that they don't even believe that the dog can understand what they are saying.

I truly hope all thinking Americans get to see this video and that Patrick Clawson, the one that acting like a disgruntled dog owner, is brought to account for inciting war.

I want peace, as I'm sure everyone of us here does also. Would America take this kind of tripe from the Irish or British lobbies? I'm not even sure there are such lobbies. Lob him out.

[Butangeld]

I'm posting this quote from whatreallyhappened.com because of what it says, and because these 'assclowns' need to be out in the open where everyone can see them!

These are the words of Michael Rivero:

Netanyahu didn't get any traction at the UN today. Indeed his bomb chart has become an object of ridicule in the alternative media. By now he is throwing a huge tantrum. He wants his war and Netanyahu is a man used to always getting what he wants.

There are only three things Netanyahu can do now to get the war with Iran going before the Israeli elections next month.

The first is to simply go ahead and attack Iran, expecting that the United States will protect Israel from the counter-attack even if Israel struck the first blow.

The second option is a false-flag attack somewhere in the world to be blamed on Iran, but that is a very chancy option given the video of WIMEA lobbyist Clawson actually selling the idea that a false flag to start the war with Iran is a great idea.

The third and final option, and the one I am starting to think is the most likely, relates to the sudden flurry of media stories and statements by people like Joseph Lieberman about how Iranian hackers are attacking the US financial system computers. (Senator Lieberman has also been pressuring Obama to sign an executive order to take over the internet.) Of course, the common sense approach still applies. Why would Iran, which wishes to avoid a war, do something that provocative.

But we know that the US and Israel are behind the cyber-weapons like STUXNET, DUQU, FLAME, etc., taht these cyber-weapons were directed against Iran, and that one variant specifically targeted banks in Lebanon and Iran. We also know that the US financial system is stretched to the breaking point, and we know that if the government of either Greece of Spain is driven from office by angry protests, credit default swaps sold by Wall Street against those debts come due, and there is no money to pay the claims. The Euro might even collapse, and that would trigger even more Credit Default Swaps. So the final option, one that strikes me as very likely, is that Israel will take down the US financial computers, and blame it on Iran. This also gets Wall Street and Washington DC off the hook, because now the financial melt-down is an act of war, rather than the result of decades of Wall Street crime and corruption and the predations of Private Central Banks. US banks have already been hit with cyber attacks over the last two weeks, to set the stage. And this would also explain why the US corporate media has paid scant attention to the riots in Spain and Greece so that Americans still dependent on ABCNNBBCBS will remain oblivious to the fact that the Euro is falling apart.

This scenario also explains the testing of means to interfere with DNS to silence websites that may offer opposing interpretations of events (this too will be blamed on Iran).

Such a cyber false-flag also gives the US Government the excuse to take total control of the internet so that those pesky truth-seeking bloggers don't give the slaves uppity ideas that this is just another war-starting hoax like the attack on the USS Liberty or 9-11.

Between the possibility of a false-flag hack attack, or the collapse of the Eurozone, or just the continuing fraud by the US financial system, you should only have as much money in the banks as is needed to cover your outstanding obligations, and you should have the rest of your money under your own personal control in case those bank doors do not open and the ATMs stop working. PLEASE REPOST THIS THEORY TO YOUR SOCIAL NETWORKS. If we can make them doubt that the official story of a financial system computer crash will be believed by the public, we can get them to call it off! If the bank computers and alternative media do crash, the US/Israel did it!

[iceni tribe]

This Ken O'Keefe and Max Igans take on it, and I think they speak for every right minded person on the planet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEoDgq4rME&feature=share

[sigma6]

~everybody KNOWS that USA gave ISRAHELL Nukes and is 100% illegal & criminal according to all (international) laws. What if China or Russia or both GAVE Nuclear Missiles to Iran to balance this? ... it is like "mutual assured destruction" which was the Cold War policy NOT to use Nukes because ultimately no one would survive this and vast majority of the people of Israel & Iran are against wars anyway.

Think about that!

This was just pretend logic, part of the double speak propaganda , and an excuse to push the nuclear agenda forward, if it was thoroughly analyzed, the idea of spending trillions of dollars to build weapons of mass destruction capable of wiping out the entire human population several times over "to guarantee mutual destruction" as a solution is a complete farce and had to have been cover for another agenda...

but of course, everybody swallowed it... and it became "common thinking"... brilliant... just ****ing brilliant...

Well... maybe it's time to rethink that logic eh...

These 'government representatives' (or whoever and whatever they really are, regardless the resume) are so evil, so steeped in, they can't even notice what they are bleeding through to the public... it really is unbelievable,...all the talk about the missing children and the underground pornography, and satanic rituals, mind control, and Washington DC being the 'murder capital' of the US... starts to make a lot of sense...

[sigma6]

I'm posting this quote from whatreallyhappened.com because of what it says, and because these 'assclowns' need to be out in the open where everyone can see them!

These are the words of Michael Rivero:

Netanyahu didn't get any traction at the UN today. Indeed his bomb chart has become an object of ridicule in the alternative media. By now he is throwing a huge tantrum. He wants his war and Netanyahu is a man used to always getting what he wants.

There are only three things Netanyahu can do now to get the war with Iran going before the Israeli elections next month.

The first is to simply go ahead and attack Iran, expecting that the United States will protect Israel from the counter-attack even if Israel struck the first blow.

The second option is a false-flag attack somewhere in the world to be blamed on Iran, but that is a very chancy option given the video of WIMEA lobbyist Clawson actually selling the idea that a false flag to start the war with Iran is a great idea.

The third and final option, and the one I am starting to think is the most likely, relates to the sudden flurry of media stories and statements by people like Joseph Lieberman about how Iranian hackers are attacking the US financial system computers. (Senator Lieberman has also been pressuring Obama to sign an executive order to take over the internet.) Of course, the common sense approach still applies. Why would Iran, which wishes to avoid a war, do something that provocative.

But we know that the US and Israel are behind the cyber-weapons like STUXNET, DUQU, FLAME, etc., taht these cyber-weapons were directed against Iran, and that one variant specifically targeted banks in Lebanon and Iran. We also know that the US financial system is stretched to the breaking point, and we know that if the government of either Greece of Spain is driven from office by angry protests, credit default swaps sold by Wall Street against those debts come due, and there is no money to pay the claims. The Euro might even collapse, and that would trigger even more Credit Default Swaps. So the final option, one that strikes me as very likely, is that Israel will take down the US financial computers, and blame it on Iran. This also gets Wall Street and Washington DC off the hook, because now the financial melt-down is an act of war, rather than the result of decades of Wall Street crime and corruption and the predations of Private Central Banks. US banks have already been hit with cyber attacks over the last two weeks, to set the stage. And this would also explain why the US corporate media has paid scant attention to the riots in Spain and Greece so that Americans still dependent on ABCNNBBCBS will remain oblivious to the fact that the Euro is falling apart.

This scenario also explains the testing of means to interfere with DNS to silence websites that may offer opposing interpretations of events (this too will be blamed on Iran).

Such a cyber false-flag also gives the US Government the excuse to take total control of the internet so that those pesky truth-seeking bloggers don't give the slaves uppity ideas that this is just another war-starting hoax like the attack on the USS Liberty or 9-11.

Between the possibility of a false-flag hack attack, or the collapse of the Eurozone, or just the continuing fraud by the US financial system, you should only have as much money in the banks as is needed to cover your outstanding obligations, and you should have the rest of your money under your own personal control in case those bank doors do not open and the ATMs stop working. PLEASE REPOST THIS THEORY TO YOUR SOCIAL NETWORKS. If we can make them doubt that the official story of a financial system computer crash will be believed by the public, we can get them to call it off! If the bank computers and alternative media do crash, the US/Israel did it!

I think your onto to something here, all this is just a bunch of hokum, what was the original purpose of 911? it was a distraction, to misdirect away from what was happening to the economy... the unwinding of the Federal reserve was understood the day they started it Dec 23, 1913, (probably before) as a mathematically predictable function, which anyone would recognize on an x y graph as an exponential function...

[mountain_jim]

I'm posting this quote from whatreallyhappened.com because of what it says, and because these 'assclowns' need to be out in the open where everyone can see them!

These are the words of Michael Rivero:


I posted this in another thread but it definitely belongs here as well. I had read Michael for years before I discovered Camelot/Avalon, whatreallyhappened was a major source of alternative material helping my awakening to 'what really happened'. And his summary here is excellent coverage of the situation, in my view.

[ExomatrixTV]

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50355-False-Flag-NwoSatire--Max-Igan-Ken-O-Keefe-American-Interest-in-SelfMade

[sigma6]

recently found this... do you concur? I concur...

SIXTEEN U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, THE PENTAGON, AND CORPORATE U.S. PRESIDENT BARAK OBUMMER TELL ISREAL "NO"
http://counterpsyops.com/2012/09/25/sixteen-u-s-intelligence-agencies-the-pentagon-and-u-s-president-barack-obama-tell-israel-no/

All sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies concur in an authoritative new report that brands Israel an “illegal, criminal, and immoral” rogue state guilty of rampant terrorism, belligerence, racism, and genocide. The report recommends the United States discontinue the giving of billions in U.S. foreign aid and armaments to the Zionist State.

Are we finally turning around? ... and biting the hand that has been 'feeding us' (all their BS)

Yeyyy... Goooooo White Dragons!!!

(enjoyed Max Igan video above btw... he understands the fundamental inalienable right of man over government... trying to write something to this but it turned into 3 pages on a word doc... doing some additional research... stay tuned... )

[Akasha]

recently found this... do you concur? I concur...

SIXTEEN U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, THE PENTAGON, AND CORPORATE U.S. PRESIDENT BARAK OBUMMER TELL ISREAL "NO"
http://counterpsyops.com/2012/09/25/sixteen-u-s-intelligence-agencies-the-pentagon-and-u-s-president-barack-obama-tell-israel-no/

All sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies concur in an authoritative new report that brands Israel an “illegal, criminal, and immoral” rogue state guilty of rampant terrorism, belligerence, racism, and genocide. The report recommends the United States discontinue the giving of billions in U.S. foreign aid and armaments to the Zionist State.



Here (http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/28/us-preparing-for-a-post-israel-middle-east/)'s the link to the Foreign Policy Journal article quoted in the link above.

[ThePythonicCow]

recently found this... do you concur? I concur...

SIXTEEN U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, THE PENTAGON, AND CORPORATE U.S. PRESIDENT BARAK OBUMMER TELL ISREAL "NO"
http://counterpsyops.com/2012/09/25/sixteen-u-s-intelligence-agencies-the-pentagon-and-u-s-president-barack-obama-tell-israel-no/

All sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies concur in an authoritative new report that brands Israel an “illegal, criminal, and immoral” rogue state guilty of rampant terrorism, belligerence, racism, and genocide. The report recommends the United States discontinue the giving of billions in U.S. foreign aid and armaments to the Zionist State.

Another thread discussing this "reported" report: Kissinger, US intelligence community endorse “World Without Israel” (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50446-Kissinger-US-intelligence-community-endorse---World-Without-Israel--). See in particular Post #5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50446-Kissinger-US-intelligence-community-endorse---World-Without-Israel--&p=563042&viewfull=1#post563042) on that thread, for a very different take on this.

I feel like an outsider coming on a screaming "he said, she said" shouting match ... I've no idea what is the truth, but suspect that neither side I'm hearing is truthful, and hope the fight doesn't turn violent.