Smoking Marijuana - thoughts?

[ktlight]

FYI:

A 125-year-old woman, said to be one of the oldest women in India, died at her home in Orissa, her family said Sunday. Fulla Nayak claimed that smoking cannabis every day was her secret to long life.
Fulla Nayak, a resident of Kanarpur village in the coastal district of Kendrapada, died of old age complications Saturday.

According to her 72-year-old grandson, Fulla was 125. But as per a voter photo identity card issued by the government in 1995 she was 120 years.
The grand old woman lived in a small mud-walled thatched house in Kanarpur, about 25 km from the district headquarters. She is survived by two of her four daughters and around two dozen relatives.
Her eldest daughter, Jamuna, 92, lives in the same village. Her husband died at the age of 50.
Fulla was in the news when her grandson Narayan Nayak claimed last week that she could be the oldest woman living in the world. He had said that he would write to the Guinness book authorities to record the claim.
Fulla was known for her love of smoking ganja and cigars and palm juice. She also loved steaming hot tea.
She had never suffered any debilitating ailment throughout her life. Except for her weak eyesight, Fulla maintained good health and used to walk without support.

source
http://valetudocafe.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/125-year-old-woman-claimed-smoking-pot-everyday-was-her-secret-to-long-life/

[toothpick]

It is interesting how this simple plant that is reported to have medicinal qualities from numerous institutons, including Harvard, could cause such a range of emotions and disagreements.

toothpick

[pharoah21]

Time to go out and blaze :p

[seko]

it´s all down to control and dumbing of the masses.

cannabis is of much help to humanity, in all sorts of ways, kills cancer.

Henry ford used it to create one of his cars in the 40´s

no deaths regarding the use of cannabis.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HdkXBGKBxjw

[Nathalie]

I once watched a video on YouTube from a dude who said that the hemp debate came about because cotton farmers were angry at the fact that they were losing business over hemp. Since it was used for textile, ropes and all... So how they managed to make hemp the bad guy, I have no idea, but then it snowballed! Let me try to look for the video!

[Nathalie]

Well actually, never mind... It might get me into trouble! And I don't even smoke...

[noprophet]

There was also some issue with the lumber companies as an acre of hemp could produce way more paper pulp than an acre of forest.

[thunder24]

Time to go out and blaze :p

dang dude, don't bogart, pass that sh......

peace

[christian]

Hemp should be legal for industrial, medical, recreational use, there should be no restrictions at all.

But I'm sure people can become older than 125 without ever smoking pot.

:peace:

[ktlight]

Ron Paul VS. Barack Obama, Marijuana Debate 2012!

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[Ella]

This link has got some great facts about hemp...

http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm

[Maia Gabrial]

I just found out that it was the liquor industries that lobbied to make it illegal because people weren't drinking much alcohol because of the hemp being more popular.

[DNA]

Okay,,,I never really thought there would be a reason or instance where this information would come in as helpfull, but here goes.

My girl, she suffered some pretty serious head trauma from a car accident when she was a teenager, and again as a young adult. Both instances she had serious head trauma.
During a casual visit to the optomotrist she had been informed that one of her retneas had been torn unbeknownst to her, and not just once but a couple of times and to his complete amazement, it had healed completely, he made a huge deal about it, dialated her eye (unnessasarily) and had all of his colleagues in to take a look at it, and all of them said they had never seen a retnea heal like that, especially not twice.
They sent her to an eye specialist,,,,and although he said the eye was fine, he did the same thing, had all of his colleagues come in and take a look, to which they all said the same thing, none of them had ever seen this before.

Bottom line, my girl has smoked pot every day since she was a teenager. And it may not be scientific as far as testimonials go, we both feel it very possible and highly probable that the pot had something to do with her eye healing like it did.

[noprophet]

The Seattle Channel's and the legalization of Marijuana

The legalization Debate (http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=3381001)

This was aired live with participation by viewers via the internet. I'll tell you one thing, my city is full of heroes. ;)

[crested-duck]

Well that's what I've always always thought, along with it being the original antianxiety medicine. Here's the proof: 17720

[Midnight Rambler]

I have met some serious smokers and seeing them smoke a water pipe is really something else. The amount of smoke going in is astounding. One of them said he had increasing lung capacity with smoking (organic) weed.
So I absolutely believe that smoking mj is increasing the lung capacity.

[Carmody]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa152/SaWebs/NewPicture24.jpg

Not weed, but cigarettes. tobacco.

Hard core bike racers, like those who do the Tour De France..they know this trick. Very very well.

Usually, after the end of a big race, you'd see the exhausted bikers, at the end point, just past the finish line, many of them gathered together and having a smoke.

They do it as it has a reputation for increasing lung capacity for oxygenation.

Anything for a win. Anything at all.

[ulli]

Asthma patients supposedly get great relief from inhaling smoke from burning tobacco roots.

[WhiteFeather]

Smoking hasn't effected my side singing career. Been smoking since im 13 on and off. Weed occasionally at times. I can hold my breathe underwater for over 2 minutes. Scouts Honor. I agree with this thread. Wanishi : )

[Little Ishta]

Totally agree with this thread..... I do both LOL and consume weed brownies. Helps me eyesight.

[K626]

Asthma patients supposedly get great relief from inhaling smoke from burning tobacco roots.

Smoking a few ciggs a day completely cured my asthma. True story.

My theory is that it gave my body something else to worry about. :lol:

love

K

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting.....My eyesight has been slowly deteriorating as well due to age i guess. Hitting 50 this August. I might try the hash brownies method Ishta. Worth a shot.

[K626]

Interesting.....My eyesight has been slowly deteriorating as well due to age i guess. Hitting 50 this August. I might try the hash brownies method Ishta. Worth a shot.

You might not actually see better, but things will look more beautiful. ;)

love

K

[Fred Steeves]

Pardon me, but

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[WhiteFeather]

Great Tune Fred. I remember when i was a teen we would get almost 24 joints from a nickel bag here in NY. No need to Bogart back then. Anywho, The weed was not as potent as it is today. One whiff alone of this new strain of weed can get u buzzed.

PS Im sure the C.I.A. has been trafficking some great weed as well.

[GoodETxSG]

LOVE IT!!! LOL,
I am pretty sure I can hold a hit longer than Phelps though, maybe even long enough to be POTUS. But poor Clinton never inhaled so I guess his lungs suffered although Bush Jr. and Obama seemed to reap the benefits of this exercise.

[Turcurulin]

The medical benefits of marijuana are numerous. Cannabis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis) is native to the Caucasus, China, Iran, and northern India. Many have used it as an analgesic, relieving pain with minimal side effects. It can reduce neurological over-activity and muscle spasm, for those suffering from multiple-sclerosis or cerebral palsy. The plant is medically legal in the US, on a Federal level, to about seven or so Americans for treatment of glaucoma. Marijuana is shown to relieve asthma, menstrual pains, insomnia, the pain of childbirth, migraines, cataracts, nausea, arthritis, rheumatism, arteriosclerosis, depression, and loss of appetite.

http://paranoidnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ET-Smoking-Pipe-Crop-Circle-Cherhill-White-Horse-540x385.jpg

I must stress the use of organic marijuana and tobacco. It's the chemicals put in and sprayed on these plants that give you cancer.

Also, see this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41365-Hemp-Fuel-The-Hemp-Car) regarding marijuana's almost equally beneficial cousin, hemp. :smokin: :drag:

[K626]

LOVE IT!!! LOL,
I am pretty sure I can hold a hit longer than Phelps though, maybe even long enough to be POTUS. But poor Clinton never inhaled so I guess his lungs suffered although Bush Jr. and Obama seemed to reap the benefits of this exercise.

Check out Clinton's presidential pardons...It gives a clue as to his favourite drug and no mistake. :lol:

love

K

[Adi]

Completely agree with the medicinal benefits of cannabis, but to claim it can increase ones lung capacity on the basis that two very successful Olympic athletes have used it for personal use, and as a consequence have gained superior anatomical benefits is ridiculous and doubtful. My personal opinion on the matter.

Adi

[Star Tsar]

Canna (Greek) = Dog
Bis/Bi = Two

Cannabis from the TWO DOG star Sirius!

:horn:

[andrewgreen]

It like most things depends on the person, for me both weed and tobacco have a negative effect on my lung function.

[Hip Hipnotist]

And now ladies and gentlemen -- and children of all ages ( with parental consent, of course ) the best one hour and eight or so minutes you'll spend tonight -- or tomorrow -- or whenever.

And no, you're not stoned. It really is in color.

Hey, who am I to say you're not stoned!

Enjoy your popcorn, Bon-Bons, Good & Plenty, Dots, Flicks, Pez, Pixy Stix, Pop Rocks, Rock Candy, Slo Poke, Sugar Babies, Black Crows ( not the band ), Big Hunk ( no, not George Clooney ), Milk Duds, Jujyfruits, Skittles and a partridge in a pear tree.

No, I'm not stoned.

Hey, who am I to say I'm not stoned!? ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny5SUdLIBV4

Oh, by the way; I know smoking buds increases lung capacity but I wouldn't advise holding your breath for the entire movie.

Maybe half the movie.

[Spartacus]

Ah good, a smoking thread.

I've been puffing away since i was 15. Mainly hand-rolled cigarettes but a fair amount of fresh cannabis when i was younger. Now I'm 52 and can still swim 35 metres underwater on a single breath.

And by the way, for all those anti-smokers out there, tobacco or cannabis is not in itself harmful to the body. 'Dis-ease' or any unwanted condition for that matter is always the result of misaligned patterns of thought. And any eventual disease will manifest through the path of least resistance.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[greybeard]

Ah good, a smoking thread.

I've been puffing away since i was 15. Mainly hand-rolled cigarettes but a fair amount of fresh cannabis when i was younger. Now I'm 52 and can still swim 35 metres underwater on a single breath.

And by the way, for all those anti-smokers out there, tobacco or cannabis is not in itself harmful to the body. 'Dis-ease' or any unwanted condition for that matter is always the result of misaligned patterns of thought. And any eventual disease will manifest through the path of least resistance.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Ive never smoked pot etc but been a heavy smoker most of my life.
I smoke natural tobacco --roll ups or cigars.
The chemicals in manufactured cigarettes is the danger as far as I can see.
Standing on a street corner as cars go by is to my mind more dangerous.
Those who point the finger at smokers tend to conveniently forget that they drive pollution causing vehicles and lets face it one aeroplane flight cause more harm to the atmosphere than a smoker causes in a life time.
There seems to be a movement to make smokers feel like criminals.

Like Spartacus I can also do a length underwater and sing with only minimal reduction in the ability to hold a note, which is probably down to age-- im 66.

Regards Chris

[freespirit]

Smoking weed packed out with tobacco can't be healthy.
Then again my Grandmother smoked 20 silkcut all her life.What finally called time on her life was simple old age 94 !
She lived a long and healthy existence and passed away in her sleep at home with her family around her.
There is an old saying 'every thing in moderation'.

It is said that some of us will inherit genetic weaknesses with predispose us to certain weaknesses and disease.

Smoking pot/weed/joanna/ganga/cannibis sativa,indica increases lung capacity ?,well that sounds a bit mad to me.

[gooty64]

Pretending to smoke pot and taking very deep breaths and holding them while imagining happy thoughts.....
..... also known to increase lung capacity.
Actual pot optional.
results may vary.
don't consult physician.
side effects may include.....NWO hallucinations etc.

[conk]

There is strong data supporting the idea of tobacco being healthful. Only tobacco, no additives. Dr. William Douglas (alternative health newsletter) often cites the cases and fully supports the idea of moderate smoking being healthful.

[sigma6]

I remember summers at the public pool (olympic size) and I liked to swim the length underwater too!... (must be something to it) I thought the weed was helping because I was just more relaxed and moved more rhythmically or in flow while under water, great combination either way... the two go together well... lol

[Carmen]

Yeah, and decreases brain capacity!!

[Falcor]

in my experience.....and i smoke more than i would like to admit..... i have no problem jogging 5-8 miles on mountain trails regularly. i havent always smoked, but right now my cardio has never been better

as far as edibles go im sure many of you know, its wise to take it slow because you cannot uneat them :)

"Unlike smoking cannabis, edibles are introduced to the body through the gastrointestinal tract and processed by the liver before entering the blood steam The liver changes the cannabinoid THC into the more potent 11-hydroxy-THC which tends to have a stronger more sedative effect.. Patients ingesting cannabis will often feel the effects within 45 to 90 minutes with a high lasting between 6 to 10 hours."

ive heard the 11-hydroxy is around 5x as potent? a good month ago, i had a bit too much and had quite the spiritual experience on edibles. but atleast i recognized something my life was trying to tell me haha.....

[VirgoSun79]

Yeah, I use to smoke a cig before I took our PT test (fitness test) in the military and it does open lung capability, that's why we did it.
I occasionally smoke cigars now and run 5 miles a day so...yeah....lol

[BlueGem]

I think the physical act of inhalation/exhalation is far more pronounced when smoking tobacco or cannabis, which acts like excercise. Much like rhythmic breathing, smoking draws a lot of focus to the lungs, and draws concentration to something we do many times a day without even thinking of it.

I have read that cannabis can curtail some of the dis-ease of tobacco smoking, but any real studies are controversial. Make your own mind up!

[confused]

So, I was wondering what people here thought about smoking marijuana these days. I mean these days due to the fact that weed is no longer what it was 30-40 years ago. It has changed, it has been selectively bred, perhaps even genetically modified, and it may or may not be beneficial or harmful in a way that it previously was not. I would really appreciate the opinion of people in this community. My interest stems from my own use and the influence it has had on my life.

I have been smoking weed regulalry for over a decade. I have realized over the past few years that I am definately an addict. Yes, this is true, you can be addicted to marijuana. I have seen it in a number of my friends, and I am at a point now where it will be incredibly difficult to stop for any prolonged period of time. It is not a physical addiction that induces serious withdrawal, but rather a mental/emotional and habitual one that had definately affects on my mood and desires.

I don't know if it is a positive or negative thing in my life. It has helped me open my eyes to many different things, from the NWO agenda to things about myself. Many of the great leaps in my understanding of the world, reality, and my maturity and character that have occured over the past 13 years began with a realization when I was high. I become much more aware of myself, my surroundings, my relationships, and many of the things I am doing right and wrong that I have a difficulty recognizing when I am sober. I am more intuned with my body. I am a much nicer and more relaxed person when I am high. As such, I have definitely grown positively in a large part due to weed. Even my wife who hates that I smoke and how it can control me admits that she likes me better when I am high.

At the same time, I am now very addicted. I have learned to be productive while high doing pretty much anything so I work out high, I study high, I even go to work high. But there is a definite loss of productivity that may not be recognizable to others but is to me. Also, I am concerned about the possible control factor involved - after all of these years, have TPTB modified weed to act in their favor? Is it all a part of their plan? Have they added chemicals to it that create certain effects they want in the population, or that may cause serious illnesses later in life? Is it like a trojan horse? Is there a negative spiritual element to it? It definately makes me less ambitious but I am not entirely sure that is a bad thing.

I am very interested in what other think about these points and whether there are others here with similar experiences that may be struggling with this like I am.

[seantimberwolf]

My thoughts are this:
If you smoke the bred stuff like white rhino and purple haze that have been fed man made drugs to improve the potency, thats your problem!
But if you smoke the natural stuff, it will just chill you out, i have (not judgment please) sampled quite a few types of weed.
And i ALWAYS find that the natural homegrown stuff and i really mean homegrown, is NEVER paranoia inducing or heavy.
Its nothing but relaxing and enlightening, end off discussion.
As far as I'm concerned weed is illegal for that very reason, it relaxes and makes people think and also communicate and love.
WHY OH WHY would you want such an amazing substance legal?

[ljwheat]

40 years ago I was in the military and we used to take our favorite whisky or bourbon or vodka. Put the weed in a colander pour the entire fifth over the weed green or dried didn’t matter. Alcohol dissolves the oils (THC) and put the new enhanced liquor back in its bottle none the wiser, and can sit in plain site. Getting away from the smoke in your lungs and the give away smell in the barracks. LOL No waste, just You.

[seantimberwolf]

40 years ago I was in the military and we used to take our favorite whisky or bourbon or vodka. Put the weed in a colander pour the entire fifth over the weed green or dried didn’t matter. Alcohol dissolves the oils (THC) and put the new enhanced liquor back in its bottle none the wiser, and can sit in plain site. Getting away from the smoke in your lungs and the give away smell in the barracks. LOL No waste, just You.

HA HA HA, in the UK we call it green dragon.
I used to out green tea in mine too, gives a great taste and i think the natural substances compliment each other

[donk]

I feel it's the potency that hooks you--like any other "drug". I liken today's to hard liquor, whereas decades ago is was like beer. You could get addicted the same on less potent herbs, it would just not be as noticable. When you develop a tolerance to the super-crystally knock-your-socks off top shelf stuff, the addiction is more extreme.

And yes, you sound like a slave (been there), where you need it to feel "right". I gave up booze 4 years ago, smoking two weeks ago, and hope to throw off the slavery to THC when I come back to myself from getting over the nicotene...and hopefully in a better way than those two. I know how addictive my personality is, and for alcohol and cigs, I can't lie myself into believing I can "have just one". I hope after the lessons of these two I can have a good relationship with god's finest trees again after taking a break from abusing it.

I been reading Allen Carr's "Easy way to Stop Smoking", it is great, like a "emotional mature way to break substance abuse for dummies"...stuff you know intuitively but is good to have repeated to you over and over as he does.

The adding of chems is an intriguing idea, I wouldn't completely dismiss it, though i think it is beside the point. TV, internet porn, video games, are all just as addictive, with nearly identical mental/emotional effects of withdrawal...the THC is probably one of the easier to get through the physical symptoms...but when you do it so often for so long (believe me, I feel you) it becomes a crutch, ritual, habit, part of your identity, your "normal" mood, the thing you do, etc. Whatever "they" put in it, isn't any worse than opiates, nicotene, alcohol, HFCS, or caffeine....

[therinkydinktink]

confused, do you smoke it pure or mixed with tobacco?

[Frankie Pancakes]

Yes I sometimes have thoughts on Marijuana.

[confused]

confused, do you smoke it pure or mixed with tobacco?

Pure, in a joint or a vaporizer that I've been using for the past 3-4 years

[therinkydinktink]

Do you know the strain(s)? And if so buy the same ones or change it/them?

[confused]

Nope, I get whatever is available at my trusted dealer, usually has something different every time I go

[therinkydinktink]

Quality or ditchweed?

(no offence intended):cool:

[confused]

Always pretty good quality, haven't smoked the proverbial "dirt" since my first years. I don't get paranoid really about much except that I'm doing something that I'm not strong enough to stop. I've never really had a concern about possible negative effects until more recently since I realized that I'm an addict and have difficulty stopping. My cravings can bring out the more negative sides of me. I wish I had someone I can go talk to about this that is not a typical therapist but one who understands my perception of the world, what is going on with humanity and the NWO, and can help me understand how my use of weed falls into place in it all.

Should I stop? am I self medicating for something and I don't even know? have I just been preconditioned to perceive drugs negatively no matter what it is? and all those questions in my original post. This is my dilema.

[TargeT]

So, I was wondering what people here thought about smoking marijuana these days. I mean these days due to the fact that weed is no longer what it was 30-40 years ago. It has changed, it has been selectively bred, perhaps even genetically modified, and it may or may not be beneficial or harmful in a way that it previously was not. I would really appreciate the opinion of people in this community. My interest stems from my own use and the influence it has had on my life.


First off: Cannabis (NOT MARIJUANA, that is a Mexican slang term that was used as propaganda in the anti-cannabis campaigns) is a very unique plant in that every single time the plant is cross pollinated it creates a NEW strain, a NEW plant.. so while people can lament and nostalgize that "weed isn't what it used to be" in fact, it NEVER is the same so comparative analysis is useless. With this fact in mind you will see why this plant would be very hard to genetically modify (GMO) due to this incredible ability to quickly modify the plant; this is also why cloning is so important to the "culture" of growers.

I cannot see a single reason for health worry, if you are experiencing adverse mental effects I would look to my own inner landscape & see if it needs closer managing.




I have been smoking weed regulalry for over a decade. I have realized over the past few years that I am definately an addict. Yes, this is true, you can be addicted to marijuana. I have seen it in a number of my friends, and I am at a point now where it will be incredibly difficult to stop for any prolonged period of time. It is not a physical addiction that induces serious withdrawal, but rather a mental/emotional and habitual one that had definately affects on my mood and desires.

This goes back to the inner (mental) landscape management, however I would not be too worried about this habit unless it is adversely effecting your life.



I don't know if it is a positive or negative thing in my life. It has helped me open my eyes to many different things, from the NWO agenda to things about myself. Many of the great leaps in my understanding of the world, reality, and my maturity and character that have occured over the past 13 years began with a realization when I was high. I become much more aware of myself, my surroundings, my relationships, and many of the things I am doing right and wrong that I have a difficulty recognizing when I am sober. I am more intuned with my body. I am a much nicer and more relaxed person when I am high. As such, I have definitely grown positively in a large part due to weed. Even my wife who hates that I smoke and how it can control me admits that she likes me better when I am high.

so far I see all positives (except for possible relationship friction) :)



At the same time, I am now very addicted. I have learned to be productive while high doing pretty much anything so I work out high, I study high, I even go to work high. But there is a definite loss of productivity that may not be recognizable to others but is to me. Also, I am concerned about the possible control factor involved - after all of these years, have TPTB modified weed to act in their favor? Is it all a part of their plan? Have they added chemicals to it that create certain effects they want in the population, or that may cause serious illnesses later in life? Is it like a trojan horse? Is there a negative spiritual element to it? It definately makes me less ambitious but I am not entirely sure that is a bad thing.

I am very interested in what other think about these points and whether there are others here with similar experiences that may be struggling with this like I am.

You sound to be flirting with light chronic depression, something I think is common with individuals of our mental awareness level (it is a bit depressing when you think about it) you've also formed a strong habit (not addiction, a habit) you could easily stop if you choose to, you just do not choose to as it doesn't seem to be "that bad" to you, is that right?

self medication is not bad, just remember about moderation, self control etc...

don't worry, there is no Trojan horse here, no negativeness at all, your lack of ambition is probably contributed to your beginning to understand how meaningless the "modern life style" is... ambition is generally a term thought of in financial terms & unless you are blinded by materialism it will leave you feeling empty and wanting more (as is the nature of desire, it can NEVER be fulfilled).

If this habit is a problem for you, you will stop it, it sounds like you are a bit guilty in this "pleasure" and you need to forgive yourself a bit, you are doing nothing wrong.

I suggest you eductae yourself with the plant you have been bennifiting from for a decade, you should know what you put in your body & this topic of study is not one that will be a waste of time.


Relax! In life few things are certain, Pain is manditory; but suffering, that is optional.


I went through a period of my life similar to what you are experiencing now, except mine was middle school and high school, eventually I got bored of being "high" all the time and quit on my own, though I would infrequently use from time to time. I know (currently) several functioning "pot heads" (as some would call them) and they are no less than any other person, perhaps a bit more relaxed and reflective.

if you feel like you’re in a rut and need some change, try a diet and workout regime, those do wonders for refreshing your existence. Eat more veggies, work out two or three times a week (min!) you'll find yourself a whole new person.




My thoughts are this:
If you smoke the bred stuff like white rhino and purple haze that have been fed man made drugs to improve the potency, thats your problem!
But if you smoke the natural stuff, it will just chill you out, i have (not judgment please) sampled quite a few types of weed.
And i ALWAYS find that the natural homegrown stuff and i really mean homegrown, is NEVER paranoia inducing or heavy.
Its nothing but relaxing and enlightening, end off discussion.
As far as I'm concerned weed is illegal for that very reason, it relaxes and makes people think and also communicate and love.
WHY OH WHY would you want such an amazing substance legal?


white rhino and purple haze are just marketing gimmicks, they have NOT been fed "man made drugs", though perhaps they have been fed "advanced nutrients (read: salts and minerals, much like ORMUS) the names are from careful cross pollenization and careful cultivation, not mad scientist work.

as far as "heavy" or the experience in general, there are two distinct families of Cannabis, Indicia and Sativa, (and the various blends of the two) they will cause extremely different "feels" when used, Indicia is a very "down" feeling, very calming, "couch lock" is a term used a lot. Sativa is a very "up" feeling, its active and cerebral (and my choice by far) however due to low plant production sativa is rarely found in any pure or nearly pure form.


I completely agree with your summation of why this substance is illegal.



have I just been preconditioned to perceive drugs negatively no matter what it is?

YES (but we all have, really)

[Midnight Rambler]

The dutch weed is much to potent for me. When in Amsterdam you see the tourists smoke it and they are extremely stoned like they have never been before. the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so. This, for me is paranoia inducing and I know some who can't touch the stuff because they get schizophrenic because of it. I am glad to say that, although I have done my share of smoking weed for over fifteen years, I don't use it now.

[confused]

TargeT, I sincerely appreciate your post. It really starts to get toward what I want to discuss with this thread, even if I don't agree with you.

So, I'm definately not depressed! =) I don't really understand where you could have gotten that from my post. I am just suspicious of my smoking habbit. I am very happy with life and generally in good spirits. My wife is a clinical social worker who deals with mental health issues and we've discussed my addiciton numerous times.

Also, I work out 3-5 times a week for ~2 hours each session. I stay in great shape. And my wife also makes sure that almost our entire diet is organic with lots and lots of veggies.

I guess I can agree with you about the guilty pleasure thing. That may be a big part of it. But when you start smoking on the way to work in a hospital setting, before meetings, before working out, before going to your classes and taking exams, when you wake up and before you go to bed, and all of that after swearing to god you won't the night before - I think you can start to call that an addiciton rather than a habbit.

Also, you can genetically modify any DNA and have that continue to other generations, regardless of any new strains created. Genetic modification does not imply that each successive generation will be clones of the pervious - just that you have added genes from another species. And those new genes continue on no matter how many new strains you create. New strains are not new species, they just express different genes in the same species DNA - for example, broccoli and brussel sprouts are the same species of plant (Brassica oleracea) that have been selectively bred to express different genes from the same DNA set. It is just as easy to genetically modify weed as anything else. Just because someone else will create a new strain from your GM weed does not mean it will lose that new gene that was inserted. It may or may not, depending on what chromosomes get passed on, but you can just insert the gene into both sets of chromosomes to make sure it gets passed on no matter which homologous chromosome gets passed to the next generation.

My original post though was less about my addiction, and more about whether people here perceive weed as a good or bad, or both, and why?

[TargeT]

The dutch weed is much to potent for me. When in Amsterdam you see the tourists smoke it and they are extremely stoned like they have never been before. the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so. This, for me is paranoia inducing and I know some who can't touch the stuff because they get schizophrenic because of it. I am glad to say that, although I have done my share of smoking weed for over fifteen years, I don't use it now.
Really? Has it "quadrupled"? (No, it hasn't)

Quadrupled means 4 times higher. currently the BEST most CAREFULLY controlled strains hit around 30% THC (most are 15-20% for "high quality") though honestly the curing process has a lot to do with how long this is maintained.

so 30/4 = 7.5% thc.. your telling me the cannabis was 7.5% AT THE HIGHEST and 2-3% in general? you would have to smoke a cigar sized joint with that level of THC to get high...

what you are seeing in Amsterdam are tourists who don't get to smoke weed often, or have very "dodgy" sources for their cannabis finally getting some high quality stuff, nothing crazy, nothing new really.

Oh did I mention that THC is the ONLY intoxicant known to man that is impossible to over dose on? thats right, you hit a the same blood saturation levels today as they did in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc...

this "paranoia" you experience is your own mental situation, it is not a cause of the substance, your paranoid because you have an embedded feelign that what you are doing is some how "wrong" (its not).

[confused]

as far as "heavy" or the experience in general, there are two distinct families of Cannabis, Indicia and Sativa, (and the various blends of the two) they will cause extremely different "feels" when used, Indicia is a very "down" feeling, very calming, "couch lock" is a term used a lot. Sativa is a very "up" feeling, its active and cerebral (and my choice by far) however due to low plant production sativa is rarely found in any pure or nearly pure form.

Thanks for this info. I agree I should definately do more research on this plant. Problem is where to look?

[Midnight Rambler]

The dutch weed is much to potent for me. When in Amsterdam you see the tourists smoke it and they are extremely stoned like they have never been before. the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so. This, for me is paranoia inducing and I know some who can't touch the stuff because they get schizophrenic because of it. I am glad to say that, although I have done my share of smoking weed for over fifteen years, I don't use it now.
Really? Has it "quadrupled"? (No, it hasn't)

Quadrupled means 4 times higher. currently the BEST most CAREFULLY controlled strains hit around 30% THC (most are 15-20% for "high quality") though honestly the curing process has a lot to do with how long this is maintained.

so 30/4 = 7.5% thc.. your telling me the cannabis was 7.5% AT THE HIGHEST and 2-3% in general? you would have to smoke a cigar sized joint with that level of THC to get high...

what you are seeing in Amsterdam are tourists who don't get to smoke weed often, or have very "dodgy" sources for their cannabis finally getting some high quality stuff, nothing crazy, nothing new really.

Oh did I mention that THC is the ONLY intoxicant known to man that is impossible to over dose on? thats right, you hit a the same blood saturation levels today as they did in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc...

this "paranoia" you experience is your own mental situation, it is not a cause of the substance, your paranoid because you have an embedded feelign that what you are doing is some how "wrong" (its not).

Yes it has quadrupled ( I know what it means btw). If you compare the stuff they had in the seventies to the stuff they grow in Holland nowadays.

Have you ever smoked the Dutch weed Target? I See a lot of Spanish tourist and they smoke a lot of weed in Spain, but they are not used to the Dutch stuff.

And your explanation of why I feel paranoid when smoking weed is just ignorant btw. It is legal here to smoke, I dont think it is wrong so why would i feel paranoid about that?

[TargeT]

TargeT, I sincerely appreciate your post. It really starts to get toward what I want to discuss with this thread, even if I don't agree with you.

So, I'm definately not depressed! =) I don't really understand where you could have gotten that from my post. I am just suspicious of my smoking habbit. I am very happy with life and generally in good spirits. My wife is a clinical social worker who deals with mental health issues and we've discussed my addiciton numerous times.

You seem to enjoy life high more than not, this is typical of self medication and often for low level depression.. I'm not working with very much info so I very probably missed the mark there :)



Also, I work out 3-5 times a week for ~2 hours each session. I stay in great shape. And my wife also makes sure that almost our entire diet is organic with lots and lots of veggies.

I guess I can agree with you about the guilty pleasure thing. That may be a big part of it. But when you start smoking on the way to work in a hospital setting, before meetings, before working out, before going to your classes and taking exams, when you wake up and before you go to bed, and all of that after swearing to god you won't the night before - I think you can start to call that an addiciton rather than a habbit.

I don't want to sound disparaging or like I'm attacking you in anyway, but I think you could stop if you really wanted to; perhaps you need to do some mental exercises and get in touch with your personal power; you can LITTERALY do ANYTHING you put your mind to, we are AMAZING beings that have been lead astray; we treat the visceral pleasures and urges of our bodies like they are all controlling, when we are the ones in control, we either choose to do something or do not. Often when experiencing cognitive dissonance on an issue we will blame shift (for example you perhaps feel that your habit is viewed in a bad light (which it is by a lot of people) and that social pressure causes you to question your decision (not openly) and you end up blaming addiction to resolve the dissonance.. the mind is a very slippery thing, hard to pin down why we do anything we do as so many layers and constructs placed on us influence us in ways that we do not even realize without deep inner reflection.


since you cannot be physically addicted to this substance I suggest you look inward to find out why you are "at odds" with yourself (cognitive dissonance)




Also, you can genetically modify any DNA and have that continue to other generations, regardless of any new strains created. Genetic modification does not imply that each successive generation will be clones of the pervious - just that you have added genes from another species. And those new genes continue on no matter how many new strains you create. New strains are not new species, they just express different genes in the same species DNA - for example, broccoli and brussel sprouts are the same species of plant (Brassica oleracea) that have been selectively bred to express different genes from the same DNA set. It is just as easy to genetically modify weed as anything else. Just because someone else will create a new strain from your GM weed does not mean it will lose that new gene that was inserted. It may or may not, depending on what chromosomes get passed on, but you can just insert the gene into both sets of chromosomes to make sure it gets passed on no matter which homologous chromosome gets passed to the next generation.

My original post though was less about my addiction, and more about whether people here perceive weed as a good or bad, or both, and why?



perhaps my use of "strain" should have been closer to "species", do some research on this, the plant is truely amazing and I question its origins... did you know it has a heat signature?

what you suggest could be true, but it would be hard to do as the "underground" nature (at least in the USA) causes a lot of trading seeds between growers, there's little to no injected or commercial seed sources so I think the risk is very low, but it is possible.

I would say my over all view on the substance is it is good, but it is probably best used recreationally in moderation (like everything). I find it excellent at diverse concept correlation, something that helps break the pattern of thought that western civilization has imposed on most of us.



Yes it has quadrupled ( I know what it means btw). If you compare the stuff they had in the seventies to the stuff they grow in Holland nowadays.

Have you ever smoked the Dutch weed Target? I See a lot of Spanish tourist and they smoke a lot of weed in Spain, but they are not used to the Dutch stuff.

And your explanation of why I feel paranoid when smoking weed is just ignorant btw.

Yes, I have been to the cafe's in Amsterdam, but I grew up on the west coast where MOVIES are made about the weed grown there (Humboldt county etc...) and now live in Alaska that (for some reason) is semi famous as well.

perhaps my explanation of why you feel paranoid is ignorant, but lets be constructive here eh? offer a counter point please?

Perhaps paranoia comes from slightly enhanced sensory perception (or greatly enhanced.. haha) which is a lot for the mind to handle? I was only ever paranoid while smoking in my parents’ house & perhaps I projected my situation on you.



Thanks for this info. I agree I should definately do more research on this plant. Problem is where to look?

the internet is a wonderful place, though i suggest spesificaly looking at "growers forums" as they have the hands own knowledge that is more "organic".

example:
www.grasscity.com/

[jagman]

For me its all about moderation. Cannabis has many medicinal and healing properties. Anything can be abused, Food, prescription drugs,alcohol
you name it. I would suggest that you try doing some of your daily activities wirhout any smoke. Use it has reward for completing a hard day at work or home.

[Olam]

As Graham Hancock would say, its all good as long as the plant is serving you and you are not serving the plant.
To avoid falling into that trap, you need to use it for the right reasons.
If you use it to self medicate and numb yourself from the world as it is too difficult to live, then you will most certainly serve the plant.
I have had that experience but no more.
I can now use it for creative purposes and spirit work but only in a sacred way.
Its easier said than done and takes trial and error!

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[donk]

Sorry Paul, i contributed as I thought it was more about addiction than the drug itself...turns out I was wrong. My feelings won't be hurt if my post is deleted...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

So, I was wondering what people here thought about smoking marijuana these days. I mean these days due to the fact that weed is no longer what it was 30-40 years ago. It has changed, it has been selectively bred, perhaps even genetically modified, and it may or may not be beneficial or harmful in a way that it previously was not. I would really appreciate the opinion of people in this community. My interest stems from my own use and the influence it has had on my life.

I have been smoking weed regulalry for over a decade. I have realized over the past few years that I am definately an addict. Yes, this is true, you can be addicted to marijuana. I have seen it in a number of my friends, and I am at a point now where it will be incredibly difficult to stop for any prolonged period of time. It is not a physical addiction that induces serious withdrawal, but rather a mental/emotional and habitual one that had definately affects on my mood and desires.

I don't know if it is a positive or negative thing in my life. It has helped me open my eyes to many different things, from the NWO agenda to things about myself. Many of the great leaps in my understanding of the world, reality, and my maturity and character that have occured over the past 13 years began with a realization when I was high. I become much more aware of myself, my surroundings, my relationships, and many of the things I am doing right and wrong that I have a difficulty recognizing when I am sober. I am more intuned with my body. I am a much nicer and more relaxed person when I am high. As such, I have definitely grown positively in a large part due to weed. Even my wife who hates that I smoke and how it can control me admits that she likes me better when I am high.

At the same time, I am now very addicted. I have learned to be productive while high doing pretty much anything so I work out high, I study high, I even go to work high. But there is a definite loss of productivity that may not be recognizable to others but is to me. Also, I am concerned about the possible control factor involved - after all of these years, have TPTB modified weed to act in their favor? Is it all a part of their plan? Have they added chemicals to it that create certain effects they want in the population, or that may cause serious illnesses later in life? Is it like a trojan horse? Is there a negative spiritual element to it? It definately makes me less ambitious but I am not entirely sure that is a bad thing.

I am very interested in what other think about these points and whether there are others here with similar experiences that may be struggling with this like I am.


I have done extensive study into " addiction " and what i have found is this.

Drugs are not addictive. The change they produce is.

Deconstructing this further what is the mode you are trying to alter? Is it boredom? Or is it anxiety?

If you choose boredom, then your use is more to do with your direction.

If it is Anxiety then its more to do with not liking the way you handled situations in the past.

Choose one, then choose an antidote.

N

[Jackson]

Great subject.

I too am a pot smoker. Have been for over 45 years. Not everyday, but often during the week.. Am I addicted? I don't think I am. I can go for several days without smoking weed and don't feel any ill effects from not smoking. It is something I enjoy. I don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. I take good care of myself. Am healthy and have a great attitude about life. While high....things just seem to be okay...no matter what is going on in my life. I am a very successful artist and have run a business full time for 25 years, I have a great family (some of which are also smokers) They never have a problem with it. They are also very successful in their life and they have families that are very happy. I never let it get in my way. I have seen the effects on several of my friends that are suffering from different ailments and it really helps them thru the down times they experience. Does it cure? I am going to say that it doesn't cure the illness...it just puts you in a very good frame of mind to be able to deal with your illness.....after all...you are the cure.

There is a saying amongst pot smokers when dealing with those that are against it without knowing why..."what the hell do they know...they don't get high"!

I also know that the potency of pot has certainly changed since I started it back then. We just had old brown mexican weed then....you had to smoke a bunch of it just to get high. I get my supply directly from people that grow it in an organic manner so I know what I am getting.

Here is an example of how many people smoke pot. Ask any smoker how many people they know that smokes weed. Usually the answer is between 2 and 30. Ok...say you take that number and make it 10. You have overlaps in the number because you count them and they count you. So....if that 10 knows 10 more and that 10 knows 10 more.....it's like double a penny everyday thing and you end up with a huge amount of people that smoke weed

Just my take however......

Jackson

[TargeT]

For a legal alternative to illegal or harmful substances I would suggest pure Kava Kava root from Hawaii (or other locations); this is much better for you than alcohol; do your own research :)

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[DeDukshyn]

Getting high with Cannabis was very good for me. VERY good. Not as good as LSD or MDMA, for mind expansion but still good.

Being a regular Cannabis user, has NOT been very good for me. I still enjoy it, but that which was to be gained has already been gained, thus habit remains.

Cannabis is NOT physically addictive at all. Take this from someone who has had a cigarette addiction and got over it. Trying to quite pot and trying to quite smoking are NOT even close to the same thing - not at all.

Cannabis IS psychologically addictive -- which means it is still habit forming, but quitting doesn't come with much withdrawal -- just a bit of a mental one. (for me there is three days of adjustment then I'm good to go without)

I can see the detriment of regular use in myself. While not that bad, it is still not good. I think that occasional use it where it is at if your are going to continue as a user.

So, in my 2 cents as someone with experience; it is not bad but if greatness is required, one cannot be a regular user -- this is my opinion. I also see how it interferes with my ability to meditate properly and as deeply as I'd like.

Just my 2 cents. ;)

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I'd like to see a poll on whether the topic of hemp / cannabis should be outlawed on Avalon. Considering the way and reasons that prohibition was extended over Cannabis and for the reasons we all know, and considering the vast covered up medicinal uses of THC, and considering the awakening that mind altering substances often induce, I say cannabis should NOT be off limits.

There's a difference between starting a thread on how to make a better bong (this thread is a bit shy of that and I see why you made your comment Paul), and the discussions of the nature that these topics bring out on Avalon. (just browse all threads related on drugs to see what I mean - members have done an awesome job of self moderation on this issue - from what I have seen). I suggest perhaps we make some distinctions here and absolve the generalizations that only serve control structures.

My 2 cents ;) like it or hate it ;) ;)

EDIT: Actually, second thought - no poll needed. The current process works. Got caught up in reacting. ;)

[Heartsong]

I am not a cannabis user. In my life I've tried it 3 times. As those around me became relaxed and cozy, I didn't. All that happened was a kind of washed out feeling clouded my brain (more physical than mental) and I had some visual distortion. To me this was unpleasant. It was like a painless migraine. I couldn't wait for it to be over.

The only positive was that my feet were no longer cold...

[eni-al]

People can smoke or drink or inject anything they want, but the way I see it, if you need to anything like that to make yourself feel better or life appear better, to relax or numb pain, or to expand your mind, then it seems more like a weakness to depend on any substance to achieve that.
No problem so much with purely recreational use of some things, in moderation, not something to keep you high or drunk etc for almost every day or hour.

For cannabis, its not really that harmful (if at all) unless you smoke it, studies have been done showing it in its purest form, is less dangerous than a cigarette you get from shop, they really fill them with substances, and get worse the cheaper you go in many countries.
Not got much problem with it myself, if it were to be legalised, in the the UK for example, it should regulated quite heavily from the start, otherwise we'd end up with the whole corporations taking it over and having a huge monopoly and control. Have to have limited number of suppliers and growers so they can be easily monitored to not start putting in anything that would make people addicted.
Although having said that, maybe would be more ideal to move away from any need to take drugs or such, humanity probably needs to evolve a bit more yet though.

[Cjay]

the THC percentage has quadrupled over the last 40 years or so.

Nonsense. What makes people think the marijuana today is stronger than it used to be is either based on prohibitionist propaganda or an opinion of someone who did not encounter a super-strong variety in their youth.


I urge everyone to read this book - The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer - available free online here (http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/). This book is exceptionally well researched, well written and a real eye-opener for everyone, no matter what your opinions are on the subject.

In my opinion, based on everything I have experienced, observed and researched over the last 35 years, Jack Herer didn't go nearly far enough in exposing the corruption behind marijuana prohibition. The corrupt cabal, who created and maintain the prohibition of marijuana in most of the world, earn trillions of dollars per year because of prohibition. The CIA, police, etc. are known (not just rumoured) to be the biggest drug dealers in the world.

The war on drugs is a farce and extremely profitable in so many different ways. Pharmaceutical medicine kills millions worldwide every year. There has never been a recorded case of anyone dying from a marijuana overdose.

There are approximately 3,000 different varieties of cannabis that have been documented and possibly thousands more that have not been documented. Different varieties provide very different effects. The strongest marijuana I ever smoked was when I was 18 (I'm now 51) and at that time in my life, I had a very high tolerance from smoking a lot in quantity and lot of different varieties. One batch I had was so strong, it frightened me, so I gave away all I had of that particular variety. One "toke" was more than enough. Two tokes was way too much. Three tokes would put me to sleep for hours, even if I wasn't tired. Since then, I have never had any marijuana that potent.

I have a love-hate relationship with cannabis.

I love it for everything recreational, medical and industrial varieties can do for our physical, mental and spiritual health. I love it for the fun times, the feelings of euphoria, relaxation, escapism, heightened awareness, creativity and so on. I love it for everything "industrial hemp" (varieties with less than 1% THC) can do for the planet and everything that can made from hemp - literally over 50,000 products today. I enjoy sampling different varieties of cannabis, similar to people who enjoy sampling many different wines. I seldom drink alcohol - usually less than once per month.


For anyone interested in learning more about the medical benefits, you might like to read the information on this site:
http://www.medme.ca/en/index.html - the largest medical marijuana dispensary, licensed by Health Canada.

"Dr. Todd's List" is a list of approximately 500 ailments that can be successfully treated with marijuana:
http://www.mcsocal.com/docs/chronic_conditions_treated_with_cannabis.pdf (http://www.mcsocal.com/docs/chronic_conditions_treated_with_cannabis.pdf)

Marijuana (if not abused) makes people healthy. Pharmaceutical "medicines" make people sick. There have been over 25,000 published scientific/clinical studies of cannabis - if you are interested, the information is very easy to find - yet the corrupt control-freaks in government insist we have not done enough study. That's no surprise at all because they are on the payroll of big pharma whose multi-trillion dollars in sales would plummet if marijuana became legal again worldwide.

In fact, marijuana IS entirely legal (or legal with a doctor's prescription) in many parts of the world, including 14 states of USA and Washington DC. How ironic is that? The US Federal government created the prohibition, spread the prohibition around the world (via the corrupt United Nations) and fight so hard to maintain the prohibition for their corrupt puppet-masters. The same applies to Australia's national capital where it is legal to grow six plants per adult. It wouldn't look good if our federal politicians got charged for breaking the laws they help to maintain.

At the end of this post are several videos about some of the medical benefits of marijuana.

I hate marijuana for the times I was stoned and wished I wasn't - most often when I had to do serious work with serious people who were totally against it because of their opinions based on a lifetime of systematic brainwashing. Their attitudes made me introverted and intensely self-conscious, which stifled my ability to work more than the effect of the marijuana. If I was working with like-minded people, I didn't have that same problem and I could mostly work very effectively.

Some of my most creative and technically challenging work was done while I was high. Sometimes I specifically smoke marijuana to assist with problem solving. Sometimes I smoke it to help me sleep. Sometimes I smoke it simply for enjoyment. I estimate that I smoke marijuana fewer than 20 days per year. There were times in my life that I smoked it more than 20 times per day! It has probably been 20 years since I abused it by smoking excessively large amounts for prolonged periods.

Mostly, I hate marijuana for the 15 year nightmare my son has endured with drug-induced psychosis. He's almost 30 now and still battles with it. It affects his entire extended family, friends, neighbours and strangers.


Having said that, I believe very strongly that my son's psychosis is not caused by the marijuana itself but rather triggered by it when the real underlying cause is his life-long abuse (over-use) of asthma medication. Since he was two years old, he has used three different types of medication for asthma - preventers (eg. Flixotide), broncho-dilators (eg. Ventolin) and steroids (eg. Prednisolone) - ALL of which have very long lists of horrendous side effects, including psychomotor hyperactivity, sleep disorders, anxiety, nervousness, depression or aggression, including behavioural changes, including hyperactivity and irritability; Cough; headache; sinus inflammation; sore or dry throat; Severe allergic reactions (rash; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest); chest pain; fast or irregular heartbeat; new or worsened trouble breathing; pounding in the chest; severe headache or dizziness; unusual hoarseness; wheezing - Asthma medication can actually CAUSE Asthma. The list continues... muscle cramps, and drying or irritation of the oropharynx; psychoses presenting as auditory hallucinations and persecutory delusions; general body discomfort; difficulty breathing, tightness in the chest (Asthma medicine can cause asthma); shortness of breath; hypertension (high blood pressure); heart attack, stroke and death. The last three side effects listed are the only three my son has not yet experienced. And that's an abridged list of side effects of asthma medication that the manufacturers have published. Thanks, big pharma, for ruining the lives of so many.

The vast majority (over 99%) of people I know who smoke marijuana are very successful in business, family and society in general. They enjoy exceptionally good physical and mental health. Not one of them has ever had any form of cancer. This reality is the opposite of what the prohibitionist propaganda tells us.

Abusing ANY substance, even water, can be extremely harmful. My mantra is moderation, moderation, moderation. I have gone through long periods, sometimes several years, of excessive smoking. I have gone through long periods of not smoking marijuana. I have experienced negative effects and that "woke me up".

I know that quitting is difficult for some people but I suspect they lack the determination and commitment to quit. The only times I failed to quit was when I didn't want to quit but someone else (eg. my wife) wanted me to quit. When I wanted to quit, it was very easy for me. I just had to make a decision to not smoke it and then stick to my decision. My cravings were minimal, perhaps in part because I really wanted to stop. The worst physical withdrawals I ever experienced were very mild - sweating during my sleep, for about two weeks. Other times, I experienced no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever.

I still enjoy smoking marijuana occasionally but not in large amounts or for long periods.


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Endo-Cannabinoids are naturally occurring chemicals in humans (and almost all other animals more highly evolved than a sea-squirt). They are present in human breast milk and act to stimulate the appetite of infants and to soothe them.
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[danceblackcatdance]

its a magic plant / spirit, don't abuse it or it'll abuse you :)

personally i spent tooo much time smoking it and would like to have some of those years back, i.e.. if i'd invested at least half of that time meditating i'd probably be able to levitate or something by now :becky:

edit: when you're ready to stop, you will stop... :)

[lookbeyond]

Hi, just my 2c worth- if u need it befor work/meetings/socialising, then like any drug-pardon the french- its got u by the b...s

But you already know this...

lookbeyond

[mahalall]

The lung fields are a fragile organ. Have seen many a chest drain been cited due to an alveolar bullae blown due to heavy dope. It's is a sad sight seeing a young kid at the back of a bike shed in the hospital ground with bilateral chest drains, in pain, and his girlfriend lighting him a joint.

Never forget an old timer, who for months had the respiratory team scratching their heads. Repeated admissions with complex lung injuries. They eventually overcame him-multi organ failure due to respiratory sepsis. His death was lovingly facilitated in the company of his family. After assisting his body to the mortuary received a call from the police asking to interview the person. It transpired that he was growing a plant or two, well it was the first floor of his house. He was cremated. RIP.

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[Cjay]

mahalall, I'm glad you posted that video because people need to understand that it is NOT about the buzz. There are approximately 80 volatile oils in the cannabis plant and THC (the psycho-active high-inducing component) is not the one that provides the greatest medicinal benefits.

When pharmaceutical companies have sought to profit from cannabis, they have produced THC-only drugs, such as Marinol and Sativex. Patients who have used those pharmaceutical medicines almost unanimously say that it is nowhere near as effective as the plant. Of course it isn't because the other 79 (approx) oils are missing. They work together in harmony.

[MargueriteBee]

Is there a reason it is also called loco weed?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

See Terence Mckenna. No more than Once a week, alone, in very high dosages for optimal use

[Maia Gabrial]

I never got high on it 30+ years ago. Just didn't. I watched everyone else make fools of themselves, but I stayed straight-faced. But you know, these days there's alot of other drugs that are added to marijuana. That's probably what you're addicted to, my friend. And I happen to know that some untrustoworthy dealers will add crunched up leaves that makes it look like the stuff and put half and half into a joint. So, you never know what you're getting...-

[mahalall]

" I happen to know that some untrustoworthy dealers" Maia Gabrial

you've made me smile,

the person who introduced me to the plant (many moons ago) is now a Barrister in London, not aware it's a prerequisite of the bar council.

[TargeT]

, these days there's alot of other drugs that are added to marijuana. That's probably what you're addicted to, my friend.-

this is untrue 98% of the time; it's just not done; it make absolutely no sense that it would be done.

[pugwash84]

I have seen dealers "Dip" their weed in diesel so not all weed is good also some of them dip it in lsd which is supposed to have a different effect. Just know who you are getting it from and be careful when buying it. xxx They "Dip" it to make it expand and get more for their money. xx

[kersley]

All I know is that one spliff a day, keeps the devil away.

[Kari Lynn]

I'm probably the only prude here. lol
Personally, I have never tried weed, or wanted to try weed.
I've seen what it has done to close friends and boyfriends in my life through out the years. As mentioned being stuck on the couch. Loss of jobs, etc....
But I'm sure it was likely their personalities rather than the weed itself. Like alcohol, there are those people who drink responsibly and then there are alchoholics. I supose it might be much the same with weed. Maybe there are those that can smoke it responsibly and those who are addicts to it. I don't know as I don't partake myself.
I think that the worst thing anyone can say is "I'm not hurting any one else"
Because I remember a boyfriend who smoked it regularily, who got stopped by a police officer and taken to jail for being under the influence. The police then searched my boyfriends vehicle for "weed" and told me I had better hope and pray that he doesn't find any, or else I would be going to jail along side him.
All I could think was "This doesn't affect me?!!! REALLY?!" And then THANK GOD there wasn't any in the truck.
But as I said before. He was an addictive personality. Both alcohol and weed. I didn't stay with him very long.

Though I have never willing partaken of weed myself. I have gotten contact highs. At a Black Crows Contest my then boyfriend, now hubby, took me to. I was never so nervous in my life. (until the weed took effect that is) I remember seeing joints in nearly every seat. I remember looking around nervously wondering if the police were going to raid the place. lol To which he laughed and assured me they wouldn't bother anyone in here. I remember was puff-puff-pass non-stop, one joint after another. I didn't know it at the time. (Hubby told me later) but he and the man sitting on the other side of me would blow their smoke in my direction on purpose to get me high. Although the entire building was a haze of smoke at that point anyway. I must say, yes I was relaxed, but I don't remember the ride back home. lol

[Kiforall]

My partner has asked me to post this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSKJrgGqx_E
He has found relief from 6yrs of pain after he broke T3 and T4 in his thoracic spine, although now healed he suffers from extreme neurological pain. Before trying weed he was on 10 dihydrocodeine a day, real nasty sh*t. He's recently managed to come off these tablets and just takes pre-gabalin.
He was in tears after watching the video, the MS sufferers heartfelt statement that she couldn't live without it really affected him. It is completely inhuman to deny people a natural pain killer that has no known side effects when the only available alternatives leave them feeling like the drugs are literally killing them. I have seen for myself the change when he smokes weed and my children have too, they have been educated to the negative press that medical marijuana has been given. I have no problem in the recreational use either but I can understand why some people do have a problem with it. The other positive uses for hemp are undeniable, carbon sink, clothing material etc. It's about time governments stopped this torturous treatment towards patients who would otherwise be cocooned in a debilitating and pitiful existence. I just hope that the powers that be change the policies or suffer in the same way they have made these people suffer.

[TargeT]

My partner has asked me to post this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSKJrgGqx_E
He has found relief from 6yrs of pain after he broke T3 and T4 in his thoracic spine, although now healed he suffers from extreme neurological pain. Before trying weed he was on 10 dihydrocodeine a day, real nasty sh*t. He's recently managed to come off these tablets and just takes pre-gabalin.
He was in tears after watching the video, the MS sufferers heartfelt statement that she couldn't live without it really affected him. It is completely inhuman to deny people a natural pain killer that has no known side effects when the only available alternatives leave them feeling like the drugs are literally killing them. I have seen for myself the change when he smokes weed and my children have too, they have been educated to the negative press that medical marijuana has been given. I have no problem in the recreational use either but I can understand why some people do have a problem with it. The other positive uses for hemp are undeniable, carbon sink, clothing material etc. It's about time governments stopped this torturous treatment towards patients who would otherwise be cocooned in a debilitating and pitiful existence. I just hope that the powers that be change the policies or suffer in the same way they have made these people suffer.

I work with a guy with MS, cannabis is the only thing that seems to work for him (though honestly I feel it is just a way to deal with symptoms, I think a good nutritional change would do him wonders, maybe a juice fast?) he was spending $800 a month on pain killers that would just knock him out, he could barely work.. a strong sativa mix has him working again and enjoying life more.

[Kendall]

Best I can tell, weed is good for my health, both mentally and physically.

[Cjay]

I have seen dealers "Dip" their weed in diesel so not all weed is good also some of them dip it in lsd which is supposed to have a different effect. Just know who you are getting it from and be careful when buying it. xxx They "Dip" it to make it expand and get more for their money. xx

Disgusting! Anyone who would do such a thing is insane, greedy and risking serious harm to the people who end up inhaling or ingesting the diesel residue. Diesel-dipped weed would smell revolting.

Illogical. Marijuana is sold by weight, not volume. Bud that has been compressed can be uncompressed with steam but then it needs to be dried again.

Sadly, the people most likely to buy that diesel-dipped poison would be kids who don't know what they are getting. Those kinds of dealers have no sense and possibly no soul.

[TargeT]

I have seen dealers "Dip" their weed in diesel so not all weed is good also some of them dip it in lsd which is supposed to have a different effect. Just know who you are getting it from and be careful when buying it. xxx They "Dip" it to make it expand and get more for their money. xx

Disgusting! Anyone who would do such a thing is insane, greedy and risking serious harm to the people who end up inhaling or ingesting the diesel residue. Diesel-dipped weed would smell revolting.

Illogical. Marijuana is sold by weight, not volume. Bud that has been compressed can be uncompressed with steam but then it needs to be dried again.

Sadly, the people most likely to buy that diesel-dipped poison would be kids who don't know what they are getting. Those kinds of dealers have no sense and possibly no soul.

diesel would act as a solvent to the THC trichomes (which are oil based) and create an inferior, dried out product that would actually weigh LESS than the original.... that's how unbelievable that particular situation is to me... its a part of the myths that keeps people from ever trying this magical plant via fear manipulation.

As for Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD); it's actually a very fragile compound, heat destroys it almost completely.

simple education will solve this (as it will for nearly all) problem(s).

[danceblackcatdance]

sorry i too have to call that one about diesel :)... maybe you've seen one fool do that, but honestly what smoker is going to come back for repeat biz after toking some fumey old diesel weed? not many i'd guess.. there is a type of hash thats called 'diesel', but its foul and no one buys it twice!

sometimes pot traders may sell damp stuff to as increased weight (but again who wants to buy damp weed? not good for repeat business) and there was a rumour about stuff with sand in it but in all my life i never saw any of it... same for lsd, i think that was just propaganda to scare people away... (lolz etc)... acid is expensive, why would you dip weed in it...

anyway, whatever :)... i still maintain a stance that most people that take narcotics regularly (for whatever reason) really shouldn't.. and most people that don't really should give it a good go and put some McKenna talks on to listen :becky:

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I never got high on it 30+ years ago. Just didn't. I watched everyone else make fools of themselves, but I stayed straight-faced. But you know, these days there's alot of other drugs that are added to marijuana. That's probably what you're addicted to, my friend. And I happen to know that some untrustoworthy dealers will add crunched up leaves that makes it look like the stuff and put half and half into a joint. So, you never know what you're getting...-

I laughed well when i read this. Thank you haha. If you've never smoked marijuana, what exactly are you bringing to the table here besides fear?? "theres a lot of other drugs added to marijuana" hahaha
So when i want to sell MJ for profit, im going to spend more money on "lots of other drugs" to add to it so i can make even less money?? Get outta town you must be high on those other mystery drugs :)

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Also, if you are a lazy ass slob before you smoke weed, you will be a lazy ass slob after you smoke weed. There are f'ing losers all over who don't do any drugs at all and sit on the couch eating potato chips all day getting fat without a job. There are also people, like some of my friends, who smoke MJ before they go lift weights or cycling, after they get out of work. (many have management positions)

If you are an adult who is afraid to smoke MJ….I say that means you should go do exactly that. Also "Diesel" is a legitimate MJ strain that has no literal reference to fuel of any sort. The ignorance is palpable on this issue

[Camilo]

Like with tobacco, the only people I've seen that were able to kick the habit, is cold turkey.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

To TS= when you DO quit fully, after 3-4 weeks, you are going to start having the wildest and most vivid dreams you can imagine. like LSD while sleeping, and you will remember every detail. You will start looking forward to your dreams, i even started a dream journal because of the intensity and clarity of my own :)

[Strat]

All of the following info is solely my and is for educational purposes only.


There are also people, like some of my friends, who smoke MJ before they go lift weights or cycling, after they get out of work. (many have management positions)

My exercising is often the byproduct of working out. When I smoke I get energy and I think to myself "how could I be spending this time more wisely?" It strips away life's desensitization and allows one to hyper-prioritize.

I am fortunate enough to live right next to the beach. One of the most beautiful things to do is smoke right before jogging on the beach at sunset (sounds corny I know but it's true).

I've been running a small business (as well as working another job) and it's the same way; sometimes I'll smoke then I'll work on the new company. It's actually an important (more or less) part of my business building model. I have a dry erase board where I jot down ideas and brainstorm, naturally when I smoke marijuana, ideas flow into my head. So at that moment, I stand at my dry erase board and brainstorm like there's no tomorrow.

I generally agree with your "lazy people are lazy regardless" argument, though I do think marijuana can exacerbate this. However, this only applies to crappy seedy Mexican weed. (Referred to as regs on the east coast). I hardly even call that 'marijuana'. That's the crap the media portrays, it just makes you sleepy and hungry.

That being said I don't smoke as much as I used to. I do not recommend it to everybody, and I often take regular breaks to bring my tolerance down, break the small addiction that forms and because it definitely hurts my memory.

EDIT:
Regarding what drug dealers add to marijuana:

No dealer enhances marijuana with other drugs. I have seen tobacco added to marijuana, but that was an attempt to make more money on their part.

A little under 4 grams of marijuana is $25. 3 grams of cocaine is $120. This is what Koya was getting at; it wouldn't make any sense for a dealer to do this.

[Camilo]

It's sad to see this forum being used to talk about drug use. I thought people in Avalon were up to higher values.

[TargeT]

It's sad to see this forum being used to talk about drug use. I thought people in Avalon were up to higher values.

higher values? did you mean "indoctrinated values" ?

where do your values come from, what do you base it on? I'd find myself hard pressed to agree with "values" that stop people from doing what ever they want (as long as it does not infringe on others or their property) & especially "values" that label plants "bad" or name harmless substances as "dangerous things that must be controlled".

or is this an organized religion point of view?


THIS is what your "values" lead to:
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Swat teams used on suspected cannabis users... is this where you stand? is this the higher values you support?

I'm a father too, do you want someone to break my door down and shoot me 71 times in front of my family?

[Kiforall]

It's sad to see this forum being used to talk about drug use. I thought people in Avalon were up to higher values.

I see Project Avalon as a place to discuss topics that in some way or other are related to pain relief, be it emotional or physical. This discussion covers both in my opinion. Members are discussing how marijuana can help with emotional pain by helping to remove some of the conscious blockages of the mind and become aware of inner issues you may not have been aware of.
Some people are fortunate not to need any help but for others it can open a door to a room that can be explored without the use of marijuana once you know it's there.
Members are also discussing the pain relief properties of marijuana that far outweigh ANY prescription drug on the market both for effectiveness and lack of dangerous side effects.
I think my partner would be appalled at the suggestion that publicly discussing his human rights to live a life as comfortably and pain free as possible is some way lowering values.
An uneducated ignorance in the natural benefits of this plant is causing a lot of people unnecessary suffering.

[Mad Hatter]

It's sad to see this forum being used to talk about drug use. I thought people in Avalon were up to higher values.

Cannabis....

A naturally occurring collection of nutrients in plant form that has been labeled a drug by those who have allowed their egos free reign to let them assume they know better and even more appallingly having the gall to lay claim to authority by which they think they can tell others what to do...

Vegetables...

A naturally occurring collection of nutrients in plant form that has NOT YET been labeled a drug by those who have allowed their egos free reign to let them assume they know better and even more appallingly having the gall to lay claim to authority by which they think they can tell others what to do...

So logic dictates I ask, do you eat vegetables and if so who gave you that right?

The question is a serious one since it goes to your concepts of higher values. Pray tell from whence do you believe you derive the right to sit in judgement (for anyone but yourself) of what constitutes value be they perceived higher or lower in your opinion?

I welcome and appreciate your input into this thread but I have to question the knowledge base upon which that opinion is based. I say that because it is a fact that every human body whilst asleep produces a substance known as MDMA. This substance when produced outside the body is categorised as a class A drug and this fact actually puts your current stance on the subject matter firmly in the position of being a hypocrite in that you are technically trafficking a banned substance and thus directly involved in what you claim to be of lower value.

What say you with regard to the issue of higher values when it comes to being submissive to double standards practiced by those who assume authority?

Logic also dictates I ask the perennial question regarding various forum subject matter, that being if you find the subject of no or lower value why have you not chosen to live and let live by moving on to something more in line with your current interests and understanding?

Since this particular discussion invokes in you sadness, an emotion, I am sure within the thousands of threads there are plenty available to present you with the confirmation bias you may be seeking regarding higher values which I sincerely hope would see you through to a happier state of being...

tuppence worth :p

[Strat]

It's sad to see this forum being used to talk about drug use. I thought people in Avalon were up to higher values.

Cannabis....

A naturally occurring collection of nutrients in plant form that has been labeled a drug by those who have allowed their egos free reign to let them assume they know better and even more appallingly having the gall to lay claim to authority by which they think they can tell others what to do...


Yet it's open season on refined sugar, caffeine and cigarettes (which is NOT naturally occurring). Those things ARE drugs, don't kid yourself. I challenge anyone to go 1 month without those things (if you really want to see facts get blood work done before and after) and then get back on them. The affects can't be denied and they all have psychotropic affects. So if you're saying a 'drug' is something that has those affects, you're gonna have to cut a lot out of your diet (unless you eat a paleo diet) or you're a drug user.

[WhiteFeather]

Caughhhhhhing, sorry what was the original question. I forgot. : )

[TargeT]

I say that because it is a fact that every human body whilst asleep produces a substance known as MDMA.


I'm sure you meant DMT ( http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=dmt-is-in-your-head-but-it-may-too-2010-04-16 ) not MDMA :)


a lot of people have a lot to say about DMT, there have been several documentaries ( such as http://thespiritmolecule.com/ ) made on the topic; all of which are fascinating.

[Mad Hatter]

I'm sure you meant DMT

That I did... I stand humbly corrected... put it down to the onset of old fartz...I mean ol timers....oh never mind :p

<Mad Hatter shuffles away to re-adjust the meds using the best chemical factory on the planet. His brain...or whats left of it...)

[TargeT]

I'm sure you meant DMT

That I did... I stand humbly corrected... put it down to the onset of old fartz...I mean ol timers....oh never mind :p

<Mad Hatter shuffles away to re-adjust the meds using the best chemical factory on the planet. His brain...or whats left of it...)

I wasn't trying to snipe you, just making sure that the correct information was out there for anyone who happens to read this thread :) (the topic is confusing enough (due to social stigma & suppression) with out accidental disinfo, haha)

Did you know your brain runs on sugar?

Try this:

Take a high dose of GABA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA_receptor ) before bed along with two table spoons of raw, local honey & be prepared for some high activity R.E.M. states & very vivid dreams & very restful sleep.

[conk]

I'm late to this conversation, but I'll just say, stop stressing over it. Stop feeling guilty! And you can quit easily. The first two days you may be a little tense and you will think about it every 10 minutes. But after a few days, certainly a week you may even forget about it.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffftttt.

[ThePythonicCow]

I work with a guy with MS
This might be an important video for anyone with MS:
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Dr. Woodrow Monte is convinced that methyl alcohol, which comes from just a few foods (see list at Monte Diet - Foods to Avoid (http://www.whilesciencesleeps.com/monte-diet/)) may be a major, perhaps the primary, cause of multiple sclerosis (MS). See also Dr. Monte's book While Science Sleeps (http://amzn.com/B007127OFY).

[Kindred]

Caughhhhhhing, sorry what was the original question. I forgot. : )

:smokin::hippie::pizza::pound:

This also happens with age... (if I remember correctly)

[Kindred]

WHY marijuana is illegal ('recent' actions)
part 1
oJ4MauvhRxM

Now the Reasons for it's illegality...
part 2
ir-Skbhj8F0

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Mike Gorman]

"Literally wiping our Ass with our own future" this is powerful stuff, it needs to get out to the people who are challenged in their political
perspectives~ we are the 'converted', this resonates with most of us I am almost certain-why is it that the enclaves of narrow mindedness
and the halls of Fascists, economic rationalists, misanthropic pragmatists and all the other mobs of diseased minds have come to hold sway?
Because we have allowed them to, I am equally complacent, lazy minded and despair-prone, change can only come about when the tipping point of
political consciousness has been reached. Oh, happy day!

[TargeT]

WHY marijuana is illegal ('recent' actions)
part 1
oJ4MauvhRxM

Now the Reasons for it's illegality...
part 2
ir-Skbhj8F0

In Unity, Peace and Love

Great vids, nice find.

[GlassSteagallfan]

if you can get the original seeds, you can grow (not legal anymore) what our first president George Washington said...

"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed,
and sow it everywhere!" - George Washington

Note to the gardener at Mount Vernon, 1794
"The Writings of George Washington"
Volume 33, page 270 (Library of Congress)

(George Washington, first president of the United States of America, grew cannabis on Mount Vernon, his plantation, for about 30 years. He may have used the Indian hemp to treat his chronic tooth aches.) http://www.taima.org/en/quotes.htm

Source: http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1027961


cannibus produces tools, medicines, clothes, paper, etc....


we have to produce that from the hemp..

[pugwash84]

It's not really for me, it makes me giggly, stupid, lazy and then hungry. I did smoke it in college but I'm too old for that stuff lolol . It may have a different effect on other people but that was my experience with it, just not for me :)

[TargeT]

It's not really for me, it makes me giggly, stupid, lazy and then hungry. I did smoke it in college but I'm too old for that stuff lolol . It may have a different effect on other people but that was my experience with it, just not for me :)

http://www.robertscottbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/hemp-freedom.jpg

You can eat it in ways that give little to no psycotropic effects; I'd say "getting high" is just a "nice bonus" (for those that enjoy it) smoking it is really the worst way to consume it, it should be eaten raw off the plant OR JUICED!!!! :D



Dr. William L. Courtney has an extensive medical education that began with a Bachelor of Science in Microbiology from the University of Michigan. He also received his Doctor of Medicine from Wayne State University, and Interned for Residency in Psychiatry at California Pacific Medical Center and went on to earned his Post Doctorate in Forensic Examination and Forensic Medicine. Dr. Courtney is currently a member of American Academy of Cannabinoid Medicine, the International Cannabinoid Research Society, the International Association of Cannabis as Medicine, and the Society of Clinical Cannabis. Dr. Courtney has also been teaching Continuing Medical Education (CME) courses in clinical cannabis.

His area of special interest is in the dietary uses of cannabis to achieve 250 to 500 mg of cannabinoid acids, which he considers as a conditionally essential nutrient in the diet of individuals from the 4th decade on. He has presented on high dose non-psychoactive dietary uses at Cannabis Therapeutics in Rhode Island April 2010, the Institute of Molecular Psychiatry at the University of Bonn in June 2010, the Institute for Advanced Studies at The Hebrew University of Jerusalem in November 2010, and the International Cannabinoid Research Society conference in Chicago in July 2011.

Dr. Courtney is Vice President of the Association Luxembourgeoise des Methodes Preventives, an ambulatory care facility in Luxembourg utilizing dietary unheated cannabis. He is working with dispensaries interested in providing high dose raw / juiced cannabis to seriously ill medical marijuana patients, and is also working to establish analytic / medical laboratories in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties, California.

Let Individuals Take Responsibility for Their Own Food Choices A controversial online video released this week by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, The Real Bears, is making waves for the way it portrays what the group says are the health risks of sweetened beverages like soda.

“Gut Health, Immunity and Health Sovereignty” – an evening with RSB at Schlarman’s Health Center in Ft. Recovery, Ohio, Tuesday, October 16, 2012. http://www.schlarmans.com/

Cancer patients may misunderstand goal of chemo When doctors recommend chemotherapy to people with incurable cancer, many of those patients may not understand that the treatment won’t save their lives, a small study finds. Cancer chemotherapy can have different goals. Often, the aim is a cure. But chemo can also be “non-curative.” For some patients, chemotherapy can control the growth of the cancer for a while and prolong their lives. Other times, it’s palliative – intended to ease some of the symptoms of a patient’s cancer, without a hope of improving survival.

Oakland sues U.S. to halt closure of marijuana dispensary The city of Oakland has sued to block U.S. authorities from closing down a medical marijuana dispensary that bills itself as the world’s largest, marking the latest clash with federal authorities over California’s cannabis industry.

Breast cancer survivors cry foul against TSA for ‘humiliating’ pat-downs and public embarrassment A number of breast cancer survivors have recently come forward with sordid details about how they were mistreated and humiliated by U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) screeners at various U.S. airports over the past several years.




http://www.robertscottbell.com/blog/edible-food-freedom-cancer-chemo-deception-dr-william-courtney-cannabis-researcher-cannabinoid-receptors-unscientific-weed-war-oakland-sues-the-feds-flu-vaccine-propaganda-non-shot-flu-prevent/



Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez returns for some physiological, economic and political healing! What does Big Government get you in terms of health care? Corruption of science, inefficiency and pharmaceutical monopoly. You want to get well from diseases of toxicity? Add more toxins. You want to get well economically? Add more taxes. This is the absurdity of relying upon those who benefit only when you are sick, weak and dependent. How to really get well? Reduce both taxes and toxins. Get government out of medicine so that doctors and non-doctors can receive the benefits of medicinal cannabis without becoming criminals. We’ll talk cannabinoid receptors and anti-cancer properties. Also, everything you wanted to know about coffee enemas but were afraid to ask! Detoxification on all levels, including homeopathic, is on its way to you today! Also, check out the review of Dr. Nick’s new book “What Went Wrong” http://www.anh-usa.org/a-nutrition-treatment-for-pancreatic-cancer/ and http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/index.htm and http://www.naturalnews.com/037188_Nicholas_Gonzalez_pancreatic_cancer_natural_cures.html


http://www.robertscottbell.com/tag/cannabis/

Smoking Cannabis is just ONE SMALL (and not very efficient) use of this amazing plant.

[Ahauchata]

I feel there is nothing negative about marijuana as there are many benifits, especially with its healing properties with cancer. Yet; on the other hand like with all substances it can be abused. To use it for healing properties or a relaxation techinque at the end of the day or for mediation yes, however to use it for escaping ones issues well that is a different story.

[Star Tsar]

I love Mary Jane,

However I have never had any lifeform encounters, psychic ability, obe's or anything like that but I really want to is there a chance than marijuana could be blocking or hindering these kind of expriences?

K.W.B Snr

[Midnight Rambler]

I found this here... (http://jandeane81.com/showthread.php?5142-Why-You-THINK-Cannabis-Is-Illegal&p=24457&viewfull=1#post24457)

http://www.weedist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Why-Do-You-Think-Cannabis-Is-Illegal-Infographic.jpg

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[DeDukshyn]

Like with tobacco, the only people I've seen that were able to kick the habit, is cold turkey.

Trust me from both an ex tobacco user and an on and off weed smoker. No comparison whatsoever. Absolutely none. Tobacco is like Heroin, weed is less addictive than Starbucks .. but does have a decent psychological addictiveness, which can come with a range of withdrawal symptoms, but it is NOTHING like physical withdrawal symptoms of tobacco. Anyone who tells you other wise is ill informed or gunning for their next hoot via sympathy. ;)

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Caughhhhhhing, sorry what was the original question. I forgot. : )

I can't not chuckle out loud everytime I read this .. Thanks WF - not enough amusement in this world. You do your part ;)

[DeDukshyn]

I love Mary Jane,

However I have never had any lifeform encounters, psychic ability, obe's or anything like that but I really want to is there a chance than marijuana could be blocking or hindering these kind of expriences?

K.W.B Snr

From my experiences, if you are a regular user, yes this possible. Unless I am at least 4 days to a week free from it, my meditations, intuitions, psychic abilities, sense of "knowing" and other non-traditional abilities are all hindered to some degree -- but note this is with regular use, occasional use does not really have this effect, and may be beneficial for the contrast it provides -- without that contrast (as in regular use) the benefits drop out.

My 2 cents ;)

[Star Tsar]

Today I read that the THC molecule makes it harder for one to become programmed and that MK Ultra slaves are never allowed Weed. Anybody else heard this or would like to extrapolate futher?

[Mad Hatter]

Today I read that the THC molecule makes it harder for one to become programmed and that MK Ultra slaves are never allowed Weed. Anybody else heard this or would like to extrapolate futher?

Um...extrapolate on something I haven't read... well a link to that reading might make the extrapolation a tad more relevant!! ;)

As for programming all I can say is that in my case it certainly 'undid' a lot of the first 14 years or so and if it hadn't been for that experience I might never have cottoned onto a multiplicity of real time parallel universes to play in...

If I were to hazard a guess re the MK Ultra stuff I'd say it is exactly that ability to detach from aspects of current reality by being in a state that will allow the simultaneous entertaining of polar opposites that would curb the impact of the literal mind shear they are looking for.

As others have pointed out the psychotropic aspect is not for everyone. Like any substance, used as a tool, it will open certain doorways. It can definitely close others and by that I mean ask anyone old enough that tried 60's acid and they will tell you... there is before... there is after... but, there is no going back. :eek:

The question the individual should ask themselves is are they really ready for the consequences of what might be behind that particular doorway or would say a slower more well trodden pathway ie meditation be a more suitable approach as each has it's own riches to reveal along the way.

Unfortunately for me meditation has never worked as the internal voice will not under any circumstances shut up... :( I've been able to is slow it down but this usually occurs at the point of passing out or speed it up to the point of incoherence through lack of ability to keep up with the information flow but it will never just STFU !!!

For those happy to rip the lid of Pandora's box and leap into yet another way of traveling through inter dimensional gateways you may well find Carmody's thread on 'The question of Lithium' a really interesting read, especially where it gets into discussing mono atomic colloidal silver.

I would however point out that experimentation in that arena is most definitely not for those with a mere passing interest as from what I can gather even those with a very very good grip on 'who' they are can potentially find the experience a lot more... shall we say, disturbing, than they expect.

Sorry...drifted a bit OT... < must be mal adjust the meds time :p >

[Star Tsar]

Sorry about that Guys & Mad Hatter link is below!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/chapter03.htm

When I saw this made me think of the movie Cabin in the Woods (Illuminati Message Movie) The technicians control the environment the group are in from afar and give them mood/mind altering drugs to manipulate them into following rituals, However Marty is a stoner and he becomes paranoid and figures out they are being manipulated, Then the technicians learn Marty is immune to their mind altering drugs because of his marijuana habit!

Anyways just thought I'd share that little art imitating life synchronization...

:peace: & :love:

[TargeT]

Sorry about that Guys & Mad Hatter link is below!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/chapter03.htm

When I saw this made me think of the movie Cabin in the Woods (Illuminati Message Movie) The technicians control the environment the group are in from afar and give them mood/mind altering drugs to manipulate them into following rituals, However Marty is a stoner and he becomes paranoid and figures out they are being manipulated, Then the technicians learn Marty is immune to their mind altering drugs because of his marijuana habit!

Anyways just thought I'd share that little art imitating life synchronization...

:peace: & :love:

I highly reccomend that movie by the way, very very interesting concepts and point of view.



The Cabin in the Woods
Five friends go for a break at a remote cabin in the woods, where they get more than they bargained for. Together, they must discover the truth behind the cabin in the woods. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259521/

[MissKat]

Maybe you are addicted to the routine of smoking. I have been making food grade glycern tincture, with good quality smoke, and maybe you should try replacing the 'smoking' part with a tincture. Sometimes changing the 'ritual' of smoking will release the addiction. I have back problems, and have a really hard time getting comfortable to sleep, the tincture replaces smoke in my lungs and still allows me to sleep. I have also made tinctures with everclear, but just a sip makes my body feel like a pile of mud. The glycern works best for me.
It is pretty sleepy stuff, so I also add a few drops of cinnemon tincture to my daytime drops. Cinnemon is a stimulant, and makes it less sleepy.

[Soul Safari]

Listen to what Macka B has to say..

Natural weed NO chemical modification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZvZoh8-II8

[TargeT]

Maybe you are addicted to the routine of smoking. I have been making food grade glycern tincture, with good quality smoke, and maybe you should try replacing the 'smoking' part with a tincture. Sometimes changing the 'ritual' of smoking will release the addiction. I have back problems, and have a really hard time getting comfortable to sleep, the tincture replaces smoke in my lungs and still allows me to sleep. I have also made tinctures with everclear, but just a sip makes my body feel like a pile of mud. The glycern works best for me.
It is pretty sleepy stuff, so I also add a few drops of cinnemon tincture to my daytime drops. Cinnemon is a stimulant, and makes it less sleepy.

See if you can get a hold of a Sativa dominant strain (or pure sativa strain) that will help a lot with the "sleepy" feeling.

Glycerine can be used, but is generally a poorer solvent; if you choose not to imbibe alcohol, non-alcoholic glycerite extracts offer an alternative however unlike alcohol, with its di-atomic state, that has quick access to the liver, glycerine is approximately 30% slower absorbed by the digestive tract and is utilized through a secondary pathway in the liver (known as the 'gluconeogenic' pathway) resulting in a lower glycemic load on the body than happens with alcohol.

~ glycerin will extract the following - sugars, enzymes (dilute), glucosides, bitter compounds, saponins (dilute), and tannins
~ absolute alcohol will extract the following - alkaloids (some), glycosides, volatile oils, waxes, resins, fats, some tannins, balsam, sugars, and vitamins

THC (and the sticky resin tricombs that contain most the THC & Cannanabonoids) is slightly acidic so glycerin is even less effective (efficiency wise).

[silent1]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

[Cjay]

Colorado Legalizes Recreational Marijuana and Industrial Hemp

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/11/colorado-legalizes-recreational.html


In a victory for freedom and common sense, it appears that marijuana will be legalized for recreational use in Colorado. Amendment 64: Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol is leading 53.37% to 46.63% with 33% of the total vote reported.

Amendment 64 legalizes the personal use, possession, and limited home-growing of marijuana legal for adults 21 years of age and older; establishes a system in which marijuana is regulated and taxed similarly to alcohol; and allows for the cultivation, processing, and sale of industrial hemp.

In particular, the law removes all legal penalties for personal possession of up to one ounce of marijuana and allows people to grow up to six marijuana plants at their home in an enclosed locked space.

...

Massachusetts also voted by a dominant margin (63%) to legalize medical marijuana bringing the total number of medical cannabis states (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/07/medical-cannabis-states-legalized.html) to 18.

See also: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/amendment-64-passes-in-co_n_2079899.html

[confused]

Wow, I just want to say thank you to everyone on here. I haven't come back since it was moved - thought it was over, so I just saw all of these posts now. I must say that so many of my experiences resonate with much of what is being said - from the vivid dreams when not smoking (not weeks, just a day!), to the increased energy and motivation for excercising, and so on. When I have more time to digest the posts I will continue adding.

TargeT - thanks for bringing me back here...

PS - the diesel comment? totally ridiculous, and some other similarly ignorant posts

[Arrowwind]

First, to understand this study you need to know what the FEV1/FVC ratio indicates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEV1/FVC_ratio
It represents the volume of air exhaled in the first second (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEV1).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEV1/FVC_ratio#cite_note-gp-training.net-4) See the Wikipedia article on spirometry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirometry) for the definitions of FEV1 and FVC.
Normal values are approximately 80%

This indicates that COPD (emphysema) and other diseases that present air flow restriction do not occur with long term use of marijuana smoking:

http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/content/155/1/141
Abstract

To assess the possible role of daily smoking of marijuana in the development of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), we evaluated the effect of habitual use of marijuana with or without tobacco on the age-related change in lung function (measured as FEV1) in comparison with the effect of nonsmoking and regular tobacco smoking......

Although men showed a significant effect of tobacco on FEV1 decline (p < 0.05), in neither men nor women was marijuana smoking associated with greater declines in FEV1 than was nonsmoking, nor was an additive effect of marijuana and tobacco noted, or a significant relationship found between the number of marijuana cigarettes smoked per day and the rate of decline in FEV1. We conclude that regular tobacco, but not marijuana, smoking is associated with greater annual rates of decline in lung function than is nonsmoking. These findings do not support an association between regular marijuana smoking and chronic COPD but do not exclude the possibility of other adverse respiratory effects.

[shadowstalker]

My sister had severe asthma and they prescribed marijuana when she was living in Conn. It helped her immensely.
I myself have C.O.P.D. due to radiation treatments and all they gave me was puffers and steroids, I hate those steroids they made me shake when ever it wore off.

[deridan]

the half an hour to hour+ of enlightenment and represpectivizing of ones situation is all worth it, just glad one tally shows its not so bad, .. nicotine really has the quality of taking ones breath away

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Cannabidiol, or CBD, is an extract of hemp or mary jane that is non-psychoactive, and unlike THC, is now being prescribed even by some psychiatrists who bother to be current, for the treatment of things like schizophrenia and other depersonalization disorders.

It is also thought (actually proven) to have shrunk or completely killed tumors and cancer cells in both small lung cancers (!) and widespread ones like lymphatic cancers. It helps or cures regardless of the stage of the cancer, unless something is just really wrong. It's been tested in mice and humans and did successfully kill the cancer.
I think this was on NatNews recently. The CBD cancer cure.

I find it amazing that schizophrenia of all things is treatable by a low THC strain with high CBD whereas doctors suspect that it's worsened by low CBD high THC strains.
Chemistry is a delicate art and people don't seem to care when they buy street grade weed. Even medical grade can have the wrong combo for your personal health.

It pays to take a break from the bong and read about marijuana.

However the idea that it prevents Parkinsons, cancer, asthma, anorexia, dysphagia, seizures, and so many other problems, far outweighs the "extinction of mind" theories.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, after all! I think the people of India know a lot more about the truth of kanja than we barbarians.

By the way, did you read about the Indian tree planter who reforested 1200 acres all by himself? Endangered species moved in.
Growing hemp might be very good for the environment, less of a chemical load on the soil than some other crops perhaps.
And it works well with hydroponics, duh lol.


I don't know if the people are taking oil, pill form, or eating the MJ in food, etc.
Not sure if smoking is the best way, however I can tell you from personal experience,
asthma decreases lung capacity for sure, at least for a few weeks. lol.
Marijuana prevents asthma attacks!!!!

auto immunity may soon be a thing of the past.
as with cancer.
and ignorance i hope!

edit: :madgrin:
the woman above backs up the asthma claim as her sister uses it for that.

[Chester]

Cannabidiol, or CBD, is an extract of hemp or mary jane that is non-psychoactive, and unlike THC, is now being prescribed even by some psychiatrists who bother to be current, for the treatment of things like schizophrenia and other depersonalization disorders.

It is also thought (actually proven) to have shrunk or completely killed tumors and cancer cells in both small lung cancers (!) and widespread ones like lymphatic cancers. It helps or cures regardless of the stage of the cancer, unless something is just really wrong. It's been tested in mice and humans and did successfully kill the cancer.
I think this was on NatNews recently. The CBD cancer cure.

I find it amazing that schizophrenia of all things is treatable by a low THC strain with high CBD whereas doctors suspect that it's worsened by low CBD high THC strains.
Chemistry is a delicate art and people don't seem to care when they buy street grade weed. Even medical grade can have the wrong combo for your personal health.

It pays to take a break from the bong and read about marijuana.

However the idea that it prevents Parkinsons, cancer, asthma, anorexia, dysphagia, seizures, and so many other problems, far outweighs the "extinction of mind" theories.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, after all! I think the people of India know a lot more about the truth of kanja than we barbarians.

By the way, did you read about the Indian tree planter who reforested 1200 acres all by himself? Endangered species moved in.
Growing hemp might be very good for the environment, less of a chemical load on the soil than some other crops perhaps.
And it works well with hydroponics, duh lol.


I don't know if the people are taking oil, pill form, or eating the MJ in food, etc.
Not sure if smoking is the best way, however I can tell you from personal experience,
asthma decreases lung capacity for sure, at least for a few weeks. lol.
Marijuana prevents asthma attacks!!!!

auto immunity may soon be a thing of the past.
as with cancer.
and ignorance i hope!

edit: :madgrin:
the woman above backs up the asthma claim as her sister uses it for that.

I have ended up full blown psychotic about 12 times in my life and each time I was at the end of a long stretch of constant usage of high, in fact very high THC % marijuana. Most of the episodes occurred when I was young. I only had three episodes of psychosis since 1986. The first one after 1986 began in the spring of 1989 and I was actually able to emerge through the experience without ending up in jail or a mental institution.

I then quit cold turkey on Christmas day, 1989. I refrained from any usage until 1998. I then began with rare partaking but (as always before) I would begin smoking every day, then waking up bonging it up and of course, would increase the quality to obtain the very best grade I could find (cost was never an issue). By the time it was the summer of 2001, I was full blown psychotic again, but I was becoming extremely good at it.

I was able to live in two worlds at once. The crazy one in my head and the collective dream everyone else presented me, though I did have to be taken to the mental hospital one Saturday in August, 2001 because I thought I was the reincarnation of Hitler ahaha. I was able to immediately calm down and the doctor was so incredulous he made me stay one more day just to see if it was possible. I was let out the next day (even though I was still full blwon psychotic - just hiding it). Within 6 months I stopped the weed and the psychosis left me.

I pretty much left weed alone until August of 2010. When I tried it again on Friday, August 13, 2010 I went into an instant state of hyper/quantum synchronicity. This state is when the conversation one has in their head coincides with everything that arises within their awareness. I remained on weed for the next 17 months. Unfortunately, it all ended when in November, 2011 I began to go into the psychosis again. It was soon after that the voice in my head seemed to change. My theory is that I reached a state where I was experiencing direct influence from the "archontic forces" - specifically (confirmed through a large data set of synchronistic confirmations) a Horus - Ra entity. I barely survived the affair after two suicide attempts which caused me to stop smoking weed (again) and then a 3 month depression followed.

On April 26, 2012 I discovered Houman's Horus - Ra thread, realized what I had been dealing with and have since recovered well (not just my opinion).

At this point, I doubt I will ever smoke high THC content weed again.

It was interesting to note that doctors are prescribing Cannabidiol for schizophrenia and other depersonalization disorders - actually fascinating.

Thanks for your information, I hope the sharing of my experience is helpful to this thread.

Note: I am not against marijuana at all whatsoever. I believe my experience with weed is a rare exception.

justoneman

[Arrowwind]

I never did well on grass either. Although I never had pyschosis from it it certainly made me very reclusive and shy to interact with people.. moving fully into an observational role. Some said I had paranoia but to this day I feel that my perceptions were correct even if they made me have a paranoia about some people and I had encountered people around me at the time playing mind and power games to control my significant other at the time. They won and I left the scene moving to the other end of the state to get away from it all. I had no parania after I moved away no matter how much I smoked, which was quite a bit at the time... almost daily. I felt that this sense of paranoia it came from the fact that I could perceive who they were and their masks of projection, in other words I could see who they were under who they were trying to be. It wasn't very pretty.

It can be very confusing when you are using a drug and people are trying to pull one over on you. Many years later I received confirmation from a friend, a relatively objective medical doctor, that yes, indeed, manipulations were going on and my 'significant other' was quite manipulated after I left and it took him a few years to pull out of it.

Never on any occassion did I feel that it assisted me in my health. In fact smoking gave me a nervous gut which was very uncomfortable. It felt like it was playing with my autonomic nervous system.. sometimes it would make me jittery and I only smoked the finestest organic stuff, but with high THC. Over time it was the reason that I cut back on smoking to the point where I rarely do it.

anyway, I guess Im saying that THC can be a truth revealer... but are you ready for the truth and are you ready to face the liars? To change your reality if necessary? Im not talking about learning truth about governments, society or the big picture, but that of the little picture.. the truth of those situations and people standing right in front of you. I wasn't at the time and if people around you are seeing something different or playing a game it can get weird... today, I'd say, bring em on. I dont smoke anymore except for an occassional hit or two of supreme stuff, occassional being once every couple of years. It now is always done as a sacrament within nature on beautiful days with beautiful people.

[Mutchie]

I lived in Holland for a year and began smoking grass and i loved it .... i never ever had no problems i loved the sensation of being truly relaxed especially whilst i was in good company etc also i enjoyed socialising in the coffee shops when i wasnt working but that was a few years ago and im now back in Scotland where it is illegal " not that it stops us though " .... the price here for high purity skunk is expensive but it is very good - we can get solids very cheap but you need to be wary of the quality saying that its been good lately ... i get a great sleep with it ... its down to the individual i think;)

Thanks for posting

[DeDukshyn]

Here's my anecdote:

Smoke weed reasonably regularly ... and I can hold my breath for 2 minutes plus with no conditioning (mind power has a little to do with it)

When I smoked cigs too, that went doen to about 1.5 minutes ... quit cigarettes, back to 2:00 plus. So I agree -- marijuana smoke has a very different effect on the lungs than tobacco. My 2 cents ;)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

To the guys a couple posts up:

It's possible that MJ alters the "reconsolidation of memory", and it's up to the individual whether to dwell on positive or negative energies during this process.

Therefore -- you may see that the shamanic value of the drug is quite high, and on top of that, supervision is likely required i.e. this should be treated with respect!

If our pot dens looked like clean, respectful temples, like our bodies should, well -- people would not judge. People judge when we are obsessive and dirty and small minded and afraid. Maybe some people need more courage to cope with real life and weed is a shelter from that journey... but it can be a nice place to be.

I recommend moving to a friendly state if you partake of marijuana.
Part of the psychosis for me when I started using was: guess.
ILLEGALITY. So I had this weird delusion that it was quite possible the police would come beat down my door. I also had to deal with a lot of sexual repression and religious brainwashing that my family put into me.

Although the experience has been a truly rocky road, I am in the end grateful to the plant and disappointed in myself, if that makes any sense.

Awareness is a conscious effort, and if marijuana increases awareness of the supernatural, we have to consciously increase the energy we devote to everyday life as well! Just like Einstein's choice of wife... to anchor him in reality, lawl.

Interesting about the Horus Ra entity stuff. Considering I've been so obsessed with the pyramids and Khufu this year, lmao.

Maybe weed is just one of those things that takes humans back to the so called "beginning places" because after all -- our races evolved together.

Man and weed, inseparable. tsk!! lol
Man's 2nd best friend?

[enfoldedblue]

Personally I think that there is a big difference between hydroponically grown marijuanna and that which is grown in nature under the sun.

When I was a teen in Canada it was mainly naturally grown stuff (pretty crappy really) from Jamaica. Then suddenly in the early 90's there was a hydro explosion. When I was at University I studied the underground economy and saw that the big boys were investing in hydro (notice suddenly in the early 90's it became fashionable...chicks with blunts etc on the cover of big mags). And so all their ground crew...bikies etc were pushing hydro until eventually it was all you could get.

Hydro never mixed well with me...the high feels intense, slightly artificial, and reminds me of the flickering harsh light of the fluorescent bulbs it was grown under.

Personally if I am going to smoke anything I much prefer the gentle mellow high of the stuff grown as nature intended.

Justoneman I am curious if it was hydro that you were smoking when you went into psychosis?

Somehow I suspect that hydro is much more likely to cause psychosis, although I have seen very few studies that even consider the difference.

[conk]

An old windbag like me who's had his lungs full 150,000 times can attest to this. I can still hold my breath long periods. I can slow my heart and breath down to 30beats and 1 breath per minute. I ran on a treadmill at 55 years of age and blew the mind of the 20 year old nurse testing me. So, no it won't hinder your capacity.

Now, if I could just stop doing the meth, heroin, and speedballs..........;) <insert just kidding icon>

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hehe, not to be crass, but you'd look good with a tinfoil pipe (avvie) lmao :)

J/K the hat is good!

I hope to be ALIVE at 55, envious of you running at that age! holy moly.
Are you that hilarious bug eyed guy in the "stop arresting medical marijuana patients" picture?

:cool:

He looked fairly spry for his age... HMMMMMMMM @.@

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hey OP...

CBD, or cannabidiol, which is a chemical of weed, kills cancer in mice and in humans (cancer.gov).
It retards the progress of neuroleptic disorders and MS, Parkinsons, all kinds of things, in fact.
It has been shown to help anorexics regain an eating schedule when ALL other drugs and approaches fail!

Asthmatics actually reap large benefits from it. People with arthritis and many other auto immune problems/infections benefit from it.
People with small lung cancers, lymphatic cancers, should totally investigate weed.

DOWNSIDE:
~altered bloodflow in brain
~too much THC for some people (lol) may lead to irritability, myopic thinking, peri psychosis. lawl but.
~short term memory loss in some people from overstimulated hippocampus
~blood sugar fluctuations
~MUNCHIES
~dehydration and vitamin loss
________________________________________
IF YOU GONNA:

You gotta eat your fruits and veggies.
No amount of high can take the place of exercise.
You need sunlight no matter how comfortable the house seems.
Keep a journal or planned to counter the forgetting.
Have friends come over and keep track of you.
Keep track of your moods.
Overcome your fears.
Try to lessen dependency by being active, or by rolling joints instead of smoking indoors.
Try not to smoke in your home exclusively.
Find some friends who not only smoke but grow or do a successful business/job of some kind.

Try not to let the propaganda get you too down.
There are some mystical trade-offs for the memory loss. can't talk about that here. lOL

[soleil]

I have seen dealers "Dip" their weed in diesel so not all weed is good also some of them dip it in lsd which is supposed to have a different effect. Just know who you are getting it from and be careful when buying it. xxx They "Dip" it to make it expand and get more for their money. xx

Disgusting! Anyone who would do such a thing is insane, greedy and risking serious harm to the people who end up inhaling or ingesting the diesel residue. Diesel-dipped weed would smell revolting.

Illogical. Marijuana is sold by weight, not volume. Bud that has been compressed can be uncompressed with steam but then it needs to be dried again.

Sadly, the people most likely to buy that diesel-dipped poison would be kids who don't know what they are getting. Those kinds of dealers have no sense and possibly no soul.

this is just my 2 cents...perhaps this is a misunderstanding considering the strain's with 'diesel' in the name...
these are just strains that do have a diesel-y taste. but DO NOT / WERE NOT in any way 'dipped' in diesel.
for info on diesel strains, soma seeds (a grower) bred nyc diesel which of course has been interbred.
just wanted to throw that out there.

:panda:
also, just want to add that i would have ever overcome my anxiety if it wasnt for MJ, and her happy love.

target, i want to agree with you that sativa's are my favorite for for happy cerebral; as well as sleep aid (although i do not need sleep aid).

i had never smoked MJ before until i was 27 yrs old too....so i speak from adult POV. and i have NEVER smoked a cigarette, nor would i ever mix the two together...

[noxon medem]

..
-

- So (possibly) ,
know this drug , like any,
is influencing your mind .
For good and worse , that
is (basicly) what drugs do ...

And enhance yourself ..
( artificialy )

Is it the drug for You ?
I can not possibly know .

Smoking, drinking, or digesting
it in any form and way the
cannabis plant, like any "drug",
should be a question of
informed personal will .

The public denial and ban
of these natural drugs and
the way to use them , is a
fatal flaw in contemporary
socalled western culture .

(also because it profits d mafia)
!?!

Be (a) well .

nm

PS.
These remedies are potencialy
so powerful that deliverance
of personal experience (knowledge)
with the clever and traditional use
should not be inhibeted by moralism
or contemporary law , but encouraged
to share, and to shape the new "law".
( way of public viewing, and personal ..).


:fish2:

..
-

[soleil]

if the mainstream, never called cannabis a 'drug', but simply a plant (wherein, we consume it however we choose - because this is a hypothetical question - therefore you as a non user do not consume it) - would you call it a drug?

or a plant?

[noxon medem]

if the mainstream, never called cannabis a 'drug', but simply a plant (wherein, we consume it however we choose - because this is a hypothetical question - therefore you as a non user do not consume it) - would you call it a drug?
or a plant?

Interesting that the current establishment try
to outlaw some natural plants and products
that have been with us all, like , ... forever .

( - :

( & beyond ..).


The big black marked

Be well .

nm

[TargeT]

if the mainstream, never called cannabis a 'drug', but simply a plant (wherein, we consume it however we choose - because this is a hypothetical question - therefore you as a non user do not consume it) - would you call it a drug?

or a plant?

Tough question, but since it's mostly grammar based, lets start there:


drug1 /drʌg/ Show Spelled [druhg] Show IPA noun, verb, drugged, drug·ging.
noun
1. Pharmacology . a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being.
2. a. any substance recognized in the official pharmacopoeia or formulary of the nation.
b. any substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in humans or other animals.
c. any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of humans or other animals.
d. any substance intended for use as a component of such a drug, but not a device or a part of a device.
3. a habit-forming medicinal or illicit substance, especially a narcotic.
4. drugs.
a. chemical substances prepared and sold as pharmaceutical items, either by prescription or over the counter.
b. personal hygienic items sold in a drugstore, as toothpaste, mouthwash, etc.
5. Obsolete . any ingredient used in chemistry, pharmacy, dyeing, or the like.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drug

Based on that I would not call Cannabis a drug; it IS a food (a SUPER food, one of the best); it is not a "chemical" per se, but that term itself is a bit ambiguous, it is not habit-forming.. I'd say it mostly does not fit the definition.

[noxon medem]

if the mainstream, never called cannabis a 'drug', but simply a plant (wherein, we consume it however we choose - because this is a hypothetical question - therefore you as a non user do not consume it) would you call it a drug?

- or a plant?

- read that, momentararely, as hypocritical :




(1) A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.

(2) A person who professes certain ideals, but fails to live up to them.

(3) A person who holds other people to higher standards than he holds himself.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hypocrite

Interesting times .
( like it ever was )

Live all, and well .

..
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[soleil]

i dont see how anything i said was 'hypocritical'??

[edit]
ooh gotcha. :) hehehe :panda::wizard:

[DeDukshyn]

i dont see how anything i said was 'hypocritical'??

Look at his bold words -- he just confused the two and was fessing up ;)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

How much weed would a weed chuck chuck if a weed chuck could chuck weed?

I guess we will have to ask the DEA... *crickets*

edit:

KNOCK KNOCK
Who's there?
THE DEA!
Oh .... ****. *FLUSH* OK COMING

P.S.
notice the gov't doesn't bash things like Porn or Hollywood (if there's a diff).
But they RAG on the RAGGED leaf!
I think potheads are more appropriate in public than for example, man-boy-relationship aficionados. etc.

[Molly]

I'm sorry but i will never agree that putting any sort of smoke into your lungs can help them. I have heard stories like what Shadowstalker said of it helping asthma but these people were taking it in oil form or vaporization. When it comes to tobacco & Mary Jane it's actually not the plants that harm you at all, it is the smoke that is caused. I don't care what any so~called "educated" doctor says, breathing in smoke isn't good for you. I don't see why people can't see the logic in that & just simply switch over to non~smoke methods like e-cigs, vaporizers, eating the hemp plants or in pill form?

[Molly]

I hear you. All there is where i live are the high-grade, indoor, hydro buds that you take 3 pulls off & you feel like you're being shot off into space, end up eating everything in the house & most likely end up with a headache after-wards. Not to mention the cost.. $120 for i think a 1/4? or is that 1/2 of a 1/4..which is even more a ridiculous charge. I haven't seen a bag of "Brown Frown" (naturally grown) in at least 5 years i'd say. I don't mind the high grade once in a while but to have it all the time is too much. I don't even use that much. I typically just need a small amount during a um.. certain time of the month &/or if i'm suffering extreme feelings of anxiety (which is rare these days, thankfully). It's sad it's still illegal here & i can't just get a small, gentle bud once in a while to help me through my PMS without breaking the law. I really think it should just be legalized EVERYWHERE by now.

[sigma6]

I hear you. All there is where i live are the high-grade, indoor, hydro buds that you take 3 pulls off & you feel like you're being shot off into space, end up eating everything in the house & most likely end up with a headache after-wards. Not to mention the cost.. $120 for i think a 1/4? or is that 1/2 of a 1/4..which is even more a ridiculous charge. I haven't seen a bag of "Brown Frown" (naturally grown) in at least 5 years i'd say. I don't mind the high grade once in a while but to have it all the time is too much. I don't even use that much. I typically just need a small amount during a um.. certain time of the month &/or if i'm suffering extreme feelings of anxiety (which is rare these days, thankfully). It's sad it's still illegal here & i can't just get a small, gentle bud once in a while to help me through my PMS without breaking the law. I really think it should just be legalized EVERYWHERE by now.

I can relate, I once came across what was purported to be "Hawaiian" it was like an effervescent green, very unusual bright green, in an almost perfectly round bud with a stem that lead back to the main stick like branch (also bright green) as I recall, and we shared the tiniest 'spiffer' between at least 6 people, (like 2 puffs I think) everyone was just glowing. It was like super light, no "headiness" at all, just pure positive joy, very light, centered... I couldn't imagine a more balanced state of mind. That was well over a decade ago... made me always want to move to Hawaii after that... (lol)

I don't think there is anything wrong with an 'inhalent' as long as you put it in it's proper perspective, you are introducing a drug into your system to create, or tweak with your physical/mental 'apparatus', in this case it is THC (and 70,000 other possibly identifiable synergistic ingredients) into your bloodstream to create a systemic effect on your existing physiology. When it comes to any drug, you can swallow, apply to skin, eyes, nose, (soft tissue) inject, inhale, and there are even suppositories, the process for introducing a drug is just a function of the particular physical properties of the drug and the result one wishes to effect. It is not a food, it's a drug. So there is always a trade off by definition. This is how it should be looked at in its most fundamental terms 'imo' (have to add that these days...lol)

The body is capable of cleansing itself if properly maintained, in a healthy environment, and if any of these procedures is done with proper moderation. But that is the key isn't it... defining 'moderation' as proper application according to the nature of the drug and the desired effect. And ultimately these are all simple 'cheats' in the physical world, to compensate for something that would be equally possible to do with our minds (through proper training) I believe.

I like Dr Michael Persinger's description of the effect of 'bud'. He states it tends to 'collect' around the area of the hypothalamus, which is the seat of short term memory, and causes stimulation of the frontal cortex, the seat of all our intellectual and creative thought process. So in effect he is giving us all we need to 'apply' this drug for maximal benefit. See if you can tease out his 'secret instructions' from this video...

Dr Michael Persinger - Psychotropic Drugs And Nature Of Reality

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A few insights I 'distilled' from the above:
Since creativity is potentially unlimited, how much stimulation does one need? I would say enough that you feel satisfied with the experience you are wishing to achieve, after that, it may very well be all diminishing returns... and increasing any dosage further is going to negatively affect the hypothalamus' ability to function (short term memory) There you have your systemic effect and there is your trade off.

Thus the recipe would be to take the absolute minimum amount to create a stimulation of the frontal cortex. Any additional will create the classic "stoner experience" of having extreme 'profound insights', followed by not being able to remember what you just experienced shortly thereafter! Which is completely counter productive imo (for what I would be trying to achieve). In summary, it is because "they" refuse to educate the masses - that we over indulge.

If this was understood people would be getting 10x more enjoyment, using 10x less (this would unfortunately reduce the profits of both the pharmaceuticals and the dealers!...) For example, I particularly like using it for repetitious physical labour type jobs, as it reduces inflammation, increases muscular flexibility, increases stamina and enhances the whole 'zen' of the activity. But again the refinement of the amount 'applied' is key...

And I don't think people should use it to escape, but precisely the opposite, to subtly enhance the existing present experience. Think of how cayenne is applied to a dish so you almost don't taste it, but instead just feel it's heat (btw - try this with any dish that uses cinnamon!) It almost requires an art to apply so little, but the benefits are undeniable.

[Camilo]

This is most likely the reason TPTB fight its free use world wide...

The Pineal Gland or the ‘Seat of the Soul’ as described by Rene Descartes, is the focal point of our spiritual guiding system which makes us go beyond the five senses of rationality and become multisensory, tuned into and aware of higher dimensions of consciousness within a holographic cosmos. Cannabis or Marijuana among other psychedelics facilitates the activation of the pineal gland and helps turn on the third eye or the mind’s eye directing our spiritual evolution to wholeness.

The pineal gland, located in the centre of the brain, is about a quarter of an inch in size, reddish-gray, and weighs about one-tenth of a gram. Unlike other parts of the brain which come in pairs, the pineal gland is singular. Its location in the center of the brain and presence in other species indicates it is an older part of humanity’s evolutionary brain system.

The pineal gland is present in all lower vertebrae. In other species, like birds, reptiles and frogs, the pineal gland is called the parietal eye or “third-eye” as its functions closely resemble that of an actual eye. In these other species, the pineal gland has components of an actual eye, with a cornea, rod and cone. It is considered to be the vestige of a functional sense organ of early primitive vertebrates.

Directly affected by the light taken in through the eyes, the pineal regulates sleep, menstrual cycles, mating seasons, hibernation, seasonal flight patterns and many other “instinctual” behaviors.

http://youtu.be/2pgtv1uo8Ms (9 min. video)

Tryptamine Trippiness

Psychedelic researcher Dr Rick Strassman has explained how the pineal gland “is quite active in synthesizing compounds related to serotonin, an important neurotransmitter in the brain. Neurotransmitters are the chemical messengers allowing communication among individual nerve cells. Most typical psychedelic drugs, such as LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, and DMT are active in brain sites which are also affected by serotonin. In addition, most of these drugs are similar in their chemical structure to serotonin.”

Strassman states that most of the above substances belong to the “tryptamine” class of drugs, and proposed that the pineal gland produces “one or two endogenous tryptamines found in human blood and cerebrospinal fluid. This latter fluid continually bathes the brain, and compounds found in it most likely affect brain function.”

Strassman also explains how “psychedelic drugs, meditational states, spontaneous near-death experiences and other phenomena which may induce stereotypic death/rebirth and paradisal/hellish states act via the pineal gland.

Lyttle points to the universal mystic vision of God as an all-consuming white light, and postulates that on a physiological level, this experience is produced from chemical reactions in the pineal gland which is extremely light sensitive. “Light, the eyes and the ‘third eye’ or pineal gland form a triad which directly controls and regulates normal or altered consciousness and many bodily functions? these three factors are also directly related to, or implicated in, mystical states and the ‘psychedelic’ experience.”

Visions of white light are not only associated with mysticism and psychedelic explorations, but are also a prevalent image recorded by those who experience the near-death state. A reason for this recurring theme in near-death states may be found with Dr Strassman, who suggests that after death, as the pineal gland shuts down, some of the chemical present in it may turn into “psychedelic” drugs!

According to Dr Strassman, the pineal gland may not only play an important role in death, but also in birth, possibly even in rebirth…

The pineal gland first becomes visible in the human fetus at the same time as does the clear differentiation of the fetus into female or male gender. The time for both of these events is 49 days, the period of time that, according to several Buddhist texts, the life force of a deceased individual coalesces around its next corporeal existence. If the life force does indeed enter through the pineal, the manifestation of this coming and going would be the release of psychedelic tryptamines, which would mediate the visionary experiences associated with near-death, and near-birth states.
Spiritual Traditions

Certain initiatory cults, such as Tantrism, Kundalini and Gnosticism, acknowledged the role of the pineal gland in the spiritual process. The spiritual/instinctual life force was seen as a serpent, due to its physical structure extending from the genitals, through the spine and up into its single all-seeing eye in the pineal gland.

These spiritual systems focussed around the raising of this primordial serpentine energy, based in the genitals and at the core of the pro-creative process. Through certain yogic practices this energy can be reversed and forced to travel up the spine into the brain, where it is reputed to cause “enlightenment”.

In the Kundalini system, which has seven distinct energy centers, the pineal gland has been variously identified with the “Ajna Chakra” and alternatively the “Sahasrara Chakra”. Both pre-Christian Mithraic and second century Gnostic texts also distinctly refer to the pineal gland in relation to seven distinct energy centers and this serpentine energy.

http://youtu.be/cP0yLohd49Q (10 min. video)

Not surprisingly, a common experience of those who have successfully raised their kundalini is the vision of all-consuming white light. More importantly, the devotee who successfully raises the kundalini experiences a radical switch in consciousness, obliterating the sense of individuation, and enters Nirvana.

Another potential reference to this curious little gland may occur at the end of the New Testament book of Revelation, where we find that the elect will know God intimately, “his name will be in their foreheads,” which is where the pineal deeply lies. Noting the gland’s strong connection with light, the rest of the passage is interesting: “There will be no more night; they will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light.”

Likewise in the Qabalistic tradition, the primordial archetypical man, Adam Kadmon, shines forth with a light from his forehead that was rich in complex patterns and linguistic symbols. Similar imagery occurs in the Persian tradition of the light-like sacred fluid, the “vivifying and spermatic” xvarenah. “Ahura Mazda is preeminently the possessor of xvarenah, but this ‘flame’ also springs from the forehead of Mithra and like a solar light emanates from the heads of sovereigns.”

This mind-light from the forehead is also identical with the 3rd Eye of Shiva, which when opened in the individual burns away the concept of ego-bound consciousness, and when opened collectively has the potential to burn away the ties and fetters of the Old World Order.

Perhaps if enough modern psychonauts achieve the pineal experience we can push this new frame of mind onto the rest of ego-bound humanity. Here at the turning of the millennia, in the apocalyptic year of 1999, never has the potential for the state of mind which has been the goal of yogic sages, and psychedelic voyagers alike been so possible to attain for humanity as a whole.

Source: Waking Times

Cannabis Culture

[donk]

I can tell you one thing: abusing it does nothing good for the pineal

I am not good at moderation, and can tell you chronic (pun intended) use will cloud your judgement and ability to see more than it will help.

That said, I do not disagree with anything in the OP. I think it is more of spiritual gateway than the "gateway drug" it is portrayed as. I just wish I was more responsible and had more respect for it when I fell in love with the way it made me feel.

[kesom]

hi guys :)
just wanna explain a bit about cannabis that might clear things up for ye :)

most cannabis that is for sale is a hybrid

firstly youve got indica plants and then you have sativa,you can have land race sativa or indica,all land race means is that its 100% either indica or sativa

now the thing is that as i said most cannabis around today is a hybrid cross of indica and sativa,which isnt the way the earth meant it to be !

so if you smoke crossed genetics it honestly does not work other than getting you stoned but if you smoke pure land race genetics,grown in soil with organic nutrients like canna bio for instance and preferibly outside but under hid lamps inside is ok

my advice to anyone regarding cannabis has always been not to ever buy from a street dealer,they use f'd up genetics fed on salt based nutrients,early flower and late flower boosters an need to be flushed with water for 10-14 days befor cropping to get rid of the salts,this does not happen with organic feeds
try rubbing the ash from some smoked cannabis in your fingers and if it leaves a black like oily mark,exactly like a marker your definately smokin crap,the black is from the salts that didnt dissolve during the flush

another thing is to never put tobacco in a joint,easiest way i can explain it is to say when the tobacco burns it gives off a gas and when the cannabis burns it gives off a different gas and when these 2 gases mix you get a third gas which i personally blame for all the people who snap from smoking cannabis

only get cannabis if you know the grower and know they use organic feeds but that said your better off growing your own and not get any friends done for supplying ;)

so basically if you want a real heavy stone yo would go for land race indica's (which are the fastest and easiest growing)

then for a cerebral high you would go for sativa strain,these are more expensive,harder to grow and take up to twice as long to flower

think thats it in brief so here's a tune for ye to get ye motivated enjoy :)

mYQHqLuWuig

only grow if its legal in your country and if you cant do that just dont tell anyone lol

peace and love K

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I have had some very lucid dreams and some extremely clear ESP experiences while using Marijuana.

However, I had some very high THC street weed and not the high CBD type you can buy from a store.

That was when I saw the things about the Olympics, my husband's friend being in danger, and the things about Syria.

Whirling Dervishes and Rastafarians swear by cannabis.

It is not the best drug for short term memory. Hard on the hippocampus.
But much maligned. It can cause your blood sugar to go down a bit, hence the munchies.
Can be used to control anorexia and diabetes. Not to mention schizophrenia.

It's an amazing miracle drug that even kills cancer cells by not allowing them to reproduce.
I think it breaks down harmful proteins in the blood, precursors to cancer.

Just like Lorenzo's oil, I guess.
Except it is hemp, not rapeseed oil.

[kesom]

hi tesla,i didnt explain myself fully in my last post i should have mentioned thc and cbd

sativa strains have high counts of thc and low cbd which gives you a cerebral high and indica strains have higher cbd and lower thc counts which give you a heavy stone often referred to as "couch lock"

they give sativa strains to chemo patients to relieve the sickness and it is very good with A.D.H.D. oh ya nearly forgot its great for hangover too lol :)

here's some other medical benefits of the strains i found on google


Effects of Indica (lower THC, higher CBN/CBD):

Ind generally more physical than cerebral (however, the relief of physical symptoms can have a positive psychological effect)
Ind sedation, pain relief and relaxation
Ind best for later in the day and bedtime
Ind perhaps better for anxiety than depression

Benefits:
Ind reduces pain
Ind muscle relaxant
Ind relieves spasms, reduces seizures
Ind reduces inflammation
Ind aids sleep
Ind reduces anxiety and stress
Ind reduces nausea
Ind stimulates appetite
Ind relieves headaches and migraines
Ind reduces intra-occular pressure
Ind bronchio-dilator and expectorant


Effects of Sativa (high THC, low CBN/CBD):

Sat more stimulating and uplifting
Sat energizing and thought provoking
Sat increases focus and creativity
Sat supports immune system
Sat best for use in daytime


Benefits:
Sat reduces nausea
Sat stimulates the appetite
Sat fights drepression
Sat positive, uplifting, cerebral effect
Sat energizes and stimulates
Sat promotes creativity
Sat relieves headaches and migraines
Sat relaxes muscles, relieves pain
Sat acts as an expectorant

i think its worth mentioning that i also think that people that take cannabis while their brains are still developing in their teens run a very high risk of mental disorders and should not touch the stuff i'd stick to ayahuasca (D.M.T.)
or mushrooms obviously were legal or just quiet/slow your thought or mind and more of your subconsious thoughts will come through :)

peace k :)

[Maunagarjana]

The problem with going the psychoactive drug route to spiritual attunement is that you always come down, and ones normal habit patterns can eventually reassert themselves.

I have done DMT and know a lot of people that have done a lot of it, but people who do it don't seem any more enlightened the the general population, except that maybe they are a bit more open to weird possibilities. I don't think there is a chemical shortcut to activating the 3rd eye chakra of which the pineal gland is presumed to be associated with.

You'd do a lot better with the pineal gland by decalcifying it by taking K2 vitamins (MK7 type), which most likely is the Activator X talked about by Pete Peterson in his Project Camelot interview. I've been taking them for over a week and already I have increased dream recall, and I hardly ever used to remember my dreams. Others have recommended using fermented skate liver oil for this purpose.

DMT is fascinating to me, and I think it can open people's minds up to extradimensional awareness, but I don't think it's what people seem to want it to be....which is basically the Spice from Dune. People trip out on the fact that it's made in the body, and they attribute to it some special status in this, but the body produces all kinds of other psychoactive chemicals, everything from hormones and opiates to endogenous cannabinoids, endogenous dissociative anasesthtics, and also people ofter overlook 5-MeO-DMT which is also produced endogenously as well.

As far as using Cannabis for spiritual work....many people don't realize that the Sadhus of India are often stoned on hashish constantly. They also take datura too. Doing yoga in combination with cannabis can be very productive, as long as you have discipline. It will most likely get you higher in combination with one another than either one will alone.

[NeweDat]

I'm not sure Maunagarjana, in my experience(14yrs worth) it is possible to open the 3rd chakra(pineal) with a chemical shortcut but "opening" isn't the right word, its more like prying it loose with a mental crowbar. It works but comes at fairly high price and can lead to damage to the gland. I've spent more than decade trying to reach spiritual clarity through a combination drug use, meditation and deep contemplation(with mixed results) and my final conclusion is that using drugs to aid spiritual growth can be dangerous and might be best left to experienced shamans. And to that effect, I'm planning my last experience/experiment in the next month then I'm abandoning the artificial enlightenment chase. One final men's circle with a "break-through" dose of DMT.

[bram]

Smoking too much dope makes you paranoid eventually, which in turn makes you susceptible to ludicrous conspiracy theories. Ring any bells anyone??;)

[Annajalayah]

Kesom, thanks for the break down of each type.
Ive always noticed a difference in how I feel depending on the type smoked, I do NOT Like hybrids, it has to be one or the other, and that is getting increasingly hard to find these days :(

[Mutchie]

I smoked weed for years and still do occasionally and i NEVER had any problems...The only problem in Scotland is the PRICE of it:p they charge £50 for 5 grams of really pungent skunk and another problem is the fact that it ALWAYS RUNS OUT;) Now if i could grow it legally i would be doing it ....after a long hard day at work sitting down to a joint is very relaxing even more so in good company !!!

[bram]

Can be used to control anorexia and diabetes. Not to mention schizophrenia.

I would very strongly recommend anyone suffering from paranoid schitzophrenia (however mildly) NOT to attempt to self medicate by using cannabis.

There is very strong evidence that use of cannabis can seriously exacerbate schitzophrenic tendencies. I myself nearly went all the way into full blown schitzophrenia following a period of heavy cannabis use once upon a time.

Peace and love, bram

[kesom]

i can only tell you of my own experiences that i've participated in or witnessed,yes smoking too much is bad for you,same as any other drug/med's

some people can smoke all day every day and be fine then ive seen people that just plain shouldnt smoke cannabis,i guess its like psychedelics,they just dont agree with some people,why i honestly dont know why but ive seen one person that completely tripped out from smokin cannabis resin,very weak stuff nothing compared to bud
i guess the old saying applies here,too much of anything is bad for you but to add that whats too much for you might not be too much for the next person and vice versa


for instance,
i can drink lots of beer,cider love jack daniels could drink any or all of those all day long and ive often done it into the morning but if i have 1 pint of Guinness i'm on my back,i cant explain other than it just dont agree with me,its the same volume of alcohol as the others so it just dont make sense but i cant drink the stuff.........
stay away from Guinness K !


Kesom, thanks for the break down of each type.
Ive always noticed a difference in how I feel depending on the type smoked, I do NOT Like hybrids, it has to be one or the other, and that is getting increasingly hard to find these days :(

i'm glad you found it useful :)
in my experience people that can notice the hybrids like you have(by not liking them) are always connected to the earth,really psychic people,their always good people

this site will help you find whichever type of cannabis strain your mind could possibly imagine seed finder (http://en.seedfinder.eu/) you just look for the genetics you want,then use the name of the breeder and of the strain to find a place that sells them but it is illegal in some places to germinate seeds it is not illegal to collect them (yet !) i know its very easy in canada to get a license to grow,if memory serves me right when you get your medical card that the government actually installs your grow room for you......
carpe diem ;)

always check your local laws before even bothering to think about grownig

its even illegal in the uk now to explain how to grow because they reckon if you do your inciting people to break the law,i think that was introduced late 2010,orwell eat your heart out !

were all individuals and so therefore were all gonna like different things so cannabis will not be for everyone so if it isnt just keep searching,you will find what works for you,were all gonna get to be where were supposed to be in the end

so as the rasta man said

Oo4OnQpwjkc

we'll get there in the end brothers and sisters

peace K :)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello again guys,

the dutch recently studied young adults who smoke weed and have schizophrenia.
Their results were shocking,
that people who already had adult onset schizophrenia were drawn to marijuana and not vice versa.

i think it wreaks havoc on some people's blood sugar, so if you are sensitive to that, hmm hmm :(

but it helps me not to vomit when i take my pills XD

[Wind]

Good message from Graham Hancock:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/HancockG3.php

[markpierre]

The point of any 'method' is not how you feel while your embarking on the method. The point is how you feel when you're not.
The third eye opens and closes as needed, in conjunction with the other centers. They all work and develop as a single event, all dependent on the activity of the others.
No 'one' is any more important, or will give you anything useful if active out of balance with your process.
You can't shortcut awakening by stepping over issues and manipulating states of mind. You can discover a lot sure. A lot of what? If you're looking, everything needed is everywhere.
It's far far faster to look at yourself honestly and lucidly from the condition the mind that resists itself is in. That's why it's in that condition. If it's any kind of discomfort, that's fine.
If you're looking for short cuts, that would be it. Doesn't seem short, but it's fundamental and forever.

[Keltikmuse]

After suffering violent abuse at the hands of my husband...I would never advocate any 'good ' thing coming from drugs. I am also a psychiatric nurse and the paranoia and mood swings cannabis brigs are scarey. I am not a negative , boring person, I have had the odd spliff in my life but what you have to realize is that there is a personality trait in a lot of people that makes them addicted . Any positive revelation about drugs makes it OK with them to continue..gives them an excuse not to stop. And somewhere behind these addicts is a terrified partner suffering because of it . Just saying !

[CivilDawn]

In my experience, I usually stop smoking for extended periods of time because it begins to feel like there is a haze or a smog over me. I can become a slave to my impulses when I am smoking because of the intermittant elevated spiritual experience, which is when I disband my self-discipline. But then I come back to earth and realize I can experience life without it.

Here is Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev's take on marijuana use for spiritual purposes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIuIqDa_Yy8

[GrnEggsNHam]

In my experience, I usually stop smoking for extended periods of time because it begins to feel like there is a haze or a smog over me. I can become a slave to my impulses when I am smoking because of the intermittant elevated spiritual experience, which is when I disband my self-discipline. But then I come back to earth and realize I can experience life without it.

I concur.
Just as others have stated above, moderation is key. When I was younger and not quite mature I abused cannabis habitually 5-6 hours a day. After about a year of this I realized what was happening and learned a very important lesson in self control.

I now smoke cannabis about 5-10 times a year and the experience each time is amazing. The best times are when I am mountain biking or snowboarding, it's simply exhilarating. I generally frown upon the lazy lay around usage of the general American culture. Not to say everyone does this but, it's what I've witnessed.

[wolf_rt]

I've been a heavy pot smoker for over 15 years, i have used it for all the wrong reasons... to dull the emotional pain, and to make me feel more sociable. I have had serious depression from my early teens (20 years ago) and i have self medicated with weed for the last 16 years. It definitely doesn't cure depression. The SSRI's the doctors prescribe DO cure depression, but they also turn me into a zombie, with no creativity or motivation. I would rather be depressed.

I do feel that my heavy smoking has hindered me from finding a solution to my depression by suppressing the symptoms. (i view depression as a natural reaction from the body to unacceptable circumstances)
However, i believe it has also saved me from offing myself... Which is a wasteful solution to emotional pain.

someone mentioned how weed suppresses dreams.. This is one of the main reasons i smoke.... If i stop smoking for a week or so, i do indeed have vivid dreams that i can remember easily.... It's EXHAUSTING...... I wake up feeling like i need to go to bed. There not nightmares or anything, just 'normal' life dreams.... I hate it... I can't handle it. I love the fact that weed stops it.
Normally (when I'm smoking) my dreams are nebulous affairs, and I'll lay in bed dozing lightly for many hours because my 'dreams' are pleasant and i feel like i am doing something that needs to be done... strange i know.
if i don't smoke, i wake up 'hard' so i can stop dreaming and try to relax. And feel like i haven't slept.

I'm having a weed related issue right now... I've had a few relationship issues, and it seemed like a good idea to stay stoned all the time.... Unfortunately after smoking 20grams in the past week my tolerance is so high that i literally can't get stoned any more. not even a bit... not even with a different strain. So i nearly lost my s%*t today... Not good... The perils of psychological dependence...

In all my years smoking I've only once been given weed that was laced with another drug (extacy i believe) the dealer was a fool, and this was his idea of a joke, cost him more than the value of the pot.... I wasn't amused.

As to the potency of the drug 'these days'.... i don't think its an issue... people smoke until they are satisfied, if the weed was weaker, i would smoke twice as much, and cause my lungs that much more damage.
I have had one strain that did not agree with me. it was cheap 'bush' with a dark green/purple colour, and after smoking a few ounces (6weeks) i found i became 'unhinged' and found that i was displaying the symptoms of my depression more than i would have had i had no weed. (i am 100% this pot wasn't laced with another drug, but i cant speak to the methods of the grower)

Paul - thanks for leaving this thread up, theres no other place on the net i would feel comfortable discussing my issues like this. The diverse insight that Avalonians can share on this issue couldn't be found elsewhere.

[Star Tsar]

I find this interesting & hope you do too Chris Bennett speaks about the occult history of Cannabis from the 14th annual hempology convention.
Not greatly shot but the information is good.

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:rockon:

[Bryston]

Caughhhhhhing, sorry what was the original question. I forgot. : )

Dam it WhiteFeather, don't Bogart that beauty. Pass it on. And don't think we haven't seen you scraping the pipe.:cool:

[william r sanford72]

i have been breeding and refining a genetic line that is perfect for my taste...outside all natural that could keep up with any grow house product.wish i could share it with ya...10 years in the making and still waiting for it to be safe to grow here without the black booted demons surrounding the farm stead.grow it.use it.thats what is was meant for.

[Vitalux]

i have been breeding and refining a genetic line that is perfect for my taste...outside all natural that could keep up with any grow house product.wish i could share it with ya...10 years in the making and still waiting for it to be safe to grow here without the black booted demons surrounding the farm stead.grow it.use it.thats what is was meant for.

Some times the hardest thing about growing a crop is to keep others from stealing it:shocked:

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/DSC_5719_zpsb6b42a96.jpg (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/stuarburstphotography/media/DSC_5719_zpsb6b42a96.jpg.html)

[Camilo]

In my perspective it opens interdimensional doors for you to experience higher levels of awareness and consciousness, but most of the time people get caught in the physical/psychic side effects of it and miss its real purpose.

[donk]

Like with tobacco, the only people I've seen that were able to kick the habit, is cold turkey.

Trust me from both an ex tobacco user and an on and off weed smoker. No comparison whatsoever. Absolutely none. Tobacco is like Heroin, weed is less addictive than Starbucks .. but does have a decent psychological addictiveness, which can come with a range of withdrawal symptoms, but it is NOTHING like physical withdrawal symptoms of tobacco. Anyone who tells you other wise is ill informed or gunning for their next hoot via sympathy. ;)

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Caughhhhhhing, sorry what was the original question. I forgot. : )

I can't not chuckle out loud everytime I read this .. Thanks WF - not enough amusement in this world. You do your part ;)

I can't disagree with what you say, but having not had a cig (I was 1.5-2 pack a day smoker) since sept, not having a drink in 4 years (I was disgustingly addicted for 12+), adderall and Wellbutrin I was precribed for years... I'm finding it hardest to stop burning "god's finest trees"

Perhaps because it is not as expensive (to me) or disruptive to my life?

Just don't discount the addictive properties. It can be as bad as shiny screens (TV/video games/Internet/porn), gambling, sugar, etc.

I find its much easier to HATE booze & cigs (and worse drugs), which is what helped me quit.

I feel understanding addiction is more important than the actual thing you are addicted to

[Team Zen]

Hey there Confused, I so appreciate your post because I've struggled with the same question so many times! I was what I call a professional weed smoker for 13 years. Throughout the years my daily usage varied (from the wake n' bake to just after work), but I pretty much smoked daily. I too was a functional stoner. And I smoked bong rips, strong Cali weed (medical grade, go OG Kush!!). I actually think that stuff is stronger than any Dutch weed- when there I would order the strongest one on the menu and they'd warn me,"are you sure? it's very powerful.." And I'd smoke it, but still didn't feel as stoned (but it's good nonetheless!) as back home...(originally from California, I am).

I loved being high on THC better than "sober." Moreover, I would choose weed over alcohol any day! I also feel more aware and open when high, and smoking weed has opened my eyes to a lot of issues, the NWO like you mention as an example. And as a musician, playing high was so much more productive/inspired...

But the struggle has come from all those people who say that weed is bad, especially for those with depression (I have it, anxiety too). But from my experiences it always helped me better than any pill! But I would doubt the benefits because I too became "addicted." And I have to disagree with those that may say it's just a habit, not an addiction...When I would run low on my stash it's all I could think about, and how to get more (this before the days of medical cannabis)- and occasional situations in which I compromised myself to get some bordered on sketchy...are not these signs of an addict? I'd ask myself...

Then, when I got pregnant, I decided to stop- I did research the effects of THC during pregnancy- of course the majority of sources said not to do it, it's bad, but no definitive proof to back it up. I did find one article about this doctor/researcher lady who studied cannabis use with pregnant mothers in jamaica. Other than noticing that it lowered breast milk production, she saw no ill effects. in fact, children of moms who used it turned out to be more socially adept and advanced for their age. Moms would even give their kids (and adults) tea with THC to help them sleep, take care of tummy trouble, etc... a normal, accepted remedy.

Regardless, during my pregnancy I stopped everything "harmful." First alcohol, caffeine and cigs, and cut back big time on weed. By month 5 i totally stopped (though smoking a bit really helped the first 3 months with my severe morning sickness)- Holy ****nuts was it hard!! I missed it sooo much- more than cigarettes even. I was really off kilter for a while (though yes I had new hormones and lots of other pregnancy related stuff going on,). It's now been 8 months without it, the longest I've gone since I started. I still think about it, I still would like to smoke a joint after work (probably no more bong rips for me, not as young as I used to be!). And it's been long enough for me to reflect on whether I'm really better off without it. Eh, I think, not really. But did I use it as a crutch to cope with life? Yes. But then again what's wrong with that, honestly? This "reality" can be such a frustration, especially when you're awake. I don't think I had any adverse physical effects (in fact I think it cancelled out the effects of tobacco), and mentally/spiritually I think it made me happier- is that so wrong? If I did start again I would try to not smoke as much or as often, but I know that needing/wanting to smoke more and more can happen quickly for me, that's what makes me question if I should start again...but it's true what others have said- It's important to look into the issues that make you want to smoke so much- Do you need to go to work high? How does it make you feel to consider going to work not high? Once you've been on both sides of the fence, then maybe you can come to a more "educated" choice/decision...if you feel you have to do it, you have no choice, then that's not cool- nothing should control you!

Personally, as a nursing mom, I will continue to not smoke, because I need to make the milk, but in the future, I can see myself doing it again, but not like I used to. Like many others have said, in moderation...I do think it is a magnificent plant...

I have no answer, but I am certainly in solidarity with you! Good luck in your search for insight!

[Lifebringer]

I don't struggle with it, however FEDs and state spray paraffin on the areas the destroy crops on. Parafin may be your problem, depending on your region.

[DeDukshyn]

Like with tobacco, the only people I've seen that were able to kick the habit, is cold turkey.

Trust me from both an ex tobacco user and an on and off weed smoker. No comparison whatsoever. Absolutely none. Tobacco is like Heroin, weed is less addictive than Starbucks .. but does have a decent psychological addictiveness, which can come with a range of withdrawal symptoms, but it is NOTHING like physical withdrawal symptoms of tobacco. Anyone who tells you other wise is ill informed or gunning for their next hoot via sympathy. ;)

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Caughhhhhhing, sorry what was the original question. I forgot. : )

I can't not chuckle out loud everytime I read this .. Thanks WF - not enough amusement in this world. You do your part ;)

I can't disagree with what you say, but having not had a cig (I was 1.5-2 pack a day smoker) since sept, not having a drink in 4 years (I was disgustingly addicted for 12+), adderall and Wellbutrin I was precribed for years... I'm finding it hardest to stop burning "god's finest trees"

Perhaps because it is not as expensive (to me) or disruptive to my life?

Just don't discount the addictive properties. It can be as bad as shiny screens (TV/video games/Internet/porn), gambling, sugar, etc.

I find its much easier to HATE booze & cigs (and worse drugs), which is what helped me quit.

I feel understanding addiction is more important than the actual thing you are addicted to

Psychological vs physical (as indicated in my post you quoted) -- both components need to be realized -- tobacco and heroin have both components, weed, pretty much just the psychological aspects -- which can be very powerful, but usually much easier to address.

Consider that your cig "addiction" has moved to other substances - mine did - I ended up drinking and eating more after quitting cigarettes, then having to address those - again this is all psychological, but still a royal pain in the arse. Convenience is likely a factor, as you mentioned.

A psychological addiction will try to prevent you from trying earnestly at all, a physical addiction will kick your ass physically when you try in earnest, and make you go back. These are not absolutes - psychological addictions can have some withdrawal as well, but often short-lived.

I know about addictions ;)

Good luck Donk!

[MargueriteBee]

Here in Washington Weed is legal, so nice. My way of using it is making coconut butter with it and using that as a base for body creme. The dark spots on my face are fading away.

[Wookie]

Yes PLZ

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