Regarding various views of the "archontic" problem

[Chester]

Hi Avalonians:

Soma may be aware of my recent ventures, postings, etc. in the Horus-Ra thread as well as a solutions gathering thread I created and ultimately a solution approach post I made. During my excursion into this matter, I encountered the view from specific posters such as Observer that (if I have it right), we are all experiencing a “matrix” so to speak, which is also considered to be the material realm (or realms) which are the product of a being and/or a structure of this being which is dominated by evil, which in fact may only be evil and which may rightfully be called “abject evil.” In addition, the view considers that we are all “captured” within this experiential realm and/or we are prisoners within this realm. In addition, there is the view that only “we” can get out of this realm as a collective force because this specific form of evil is more powerful than any one single individual is capable of overcoming. Some view the only way we can ever experience relief from this abject evil is through dissolution of the material realm (or realms) altogether.

I have come to highly respect this view. The reason is because I have been able to achieve a state of being where I respect all individual’s views and each individual’s right to have their own view.

I prefer not to share the view I summarized above but… and I want to make this very, very clear – I do not know who may be “right.” I am wide open minded I may be wrong in my view. Anyways, I received a PM from an excellent member of Avalon. In fact I received more than one from this poster over the last few weeks. That this poster took the time to write to me personally their well presented PMs (and thus shared their views) and this has been a very good thing.

I believe the PMs that have been sent to me would be beneficial to us all if the poster who sent me these PMs would post them, but that is up to the poster. I did my very best to summarize the gist of this poster’s position regarding the “archontic issue” properly but I still may not have done so as well as if the poster would simply post their PMs which they had sent to me.

Regardless, because of the importance of the subject (I can’t think of a single more important subject in fact) I felt it was important I at least post my latest PM response (having learned I am doing so within the Avalon rule format, something I respect as I appreciate my membership in Avalon – the only forum I belong to and the only forum I even read).

Now, under the context I received a PM which appeared to have the point of view relative to the “archontic problem.”

Here was my response based upon my own, current view.

“Evil is only greater to oneself if one allows it to be. You are either a child of God or not. If you are a child of God, can anything ever destroy you? Including yourself? I answer No to that. And that answer defines my God. Again, I am a child of my God.

As a child of God, I can and always will choose my experience. I also take full responsibility for that experience as to how my intentions, thoughts, words and deeds affect others who are also children of God.

I would like you to post your PM to me and I will post my response. I prefer you publicly post your PM so that others may also weigh in. That you feel you can only do so via PMs suggest to me you have concerns as to how others may react to my responses [added as of this posting] - and/or your first PM and any of your follow up PMs.

I also recall when I shared your view. It was a dark place and I was a prisoner.

If you would like to get out of the prison, please, post this PM and I will post my PM response. Why not? What can it hurt?

I love you.

Best Regards
Chester"

I got impatient in waiting for this poster to post their PM and perhaps they won’t.

Enjoy the day All
Love Chester

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It doesn't quite harmonize with my thought that Earth is a 'prison planet', or some kind of illusion-matrix ruled by a nasty evil being keeping us all in slavery (except ofc if you collectively view TPTB like this).

Earth is no more a prison than a school is a prison. In order to progress we must refine our energy, and cultivate love to ever higher vibrations. To do that we must plunge into deep, dark places and explore, and thus learn about ourselves. To do that we must attend school.

And here we all are, not imprisoned against our will, but very much in accordance with it. No one really wanted to go to school as a kid, but we knew we had to. For only here, on earth, do we find immense opportunity to accelerate our learning curve.

As for ‘Archons’. It's quite probable that there are other realms containing service-to-self beings who come here also, but to feed off the very negativity that we in our karma are shedding.

[Amysenthia]

Oh Justoneman , I don't know where to start. Maybe in my opinion it is better to describe our existence in the matrix as living in an illusion. Or maybe a dream illusion. Now is when I will digress to using the words of sages that have lived before us and found their way out of the illusion while still being immersed in it. In the words of Sri Ramakrishna, he taught his disciples that life is like having a dream. While you are in the dream you have real dream pain, dream sorrow, dream love, etc. It is only when you awake from the dream that you say, "oh it was just a dream". This is what is experienced at the moment of death from this life. As we enter the next dimension we realize the matrix, (dream), of this life.

The goal is to do as the enlightened ones such as Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, etc., have done and that is to realize the you are part of a dream, (matrix), while still in it. I guess this would be the ultimate "lucid dreaming". As the great Buddha did when he just sat down under the Bo-tree and demanded his liberation from the illusion, we must all attempt to find our way there. Jesus the christ said, "this and more you also shall do", was his way of saying that we are all capable of doing the same that he did.

I have learned so much by reading the "Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna" and "Vivekananda, The Yoga and Other Works". Sri Ramakrishna was Vivekananda's guru. In Vivekananda's book he gives instruction into Kundalini Yoga, Raja Yoga, etc. The ways to follow the ancient yogas to enlightenment.

One of the best instructions given by Sri Ramakrishna about how to live in the matrix but not be affected by it while you work toward enlightenment is that he gives the example of the mudfish. "Live in the world like a mudfish who lives it's life swimming in mud but never gets dirty. So we should live this life without attachment. Experience all that life brings you, but do not become attached to it. (Meaning do not let ego become involved in what you experience.) This also corresponds to the Buddhist teachings the mind is he main cause of our being reborn into the cycle of existence and the way to gain our freedom from it. When you do not emotionally attach to what goes on in your life you do not create karma. This does not mean that you should be a cold, non-feeling person. The exact opposite is true. You should give unconditional love to all things, and know that all things are a part of the illusion and deserve your love. Be like the sun, which shines equally on the beautiful as the ugly. Just be!!! Experience all that life has to offer but do not allow yourself to be dirtied by the illusion.

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[truth4me]

Great points Amysenthia. A persons ego is what gets them/us in trouble. `When I was among the asleep ones sports was my pride and passion. I would gamble on my team. I would call into sports talk radio shows and berate the players or coach. Almost get violent over my teams........I look back now about how foolish I was......We must lose our Ego's to advance IMHO....

[Chester]

Beware - semi monster post...

What I did, when I presented my solution back on September 18th (a rare occurrence in that I actually beat my own self imposed deadline), was present each possible point of view in general terms that could be possessed by a single individual.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49927-The-promised-Horus-Ra-solution-proposal

It is my opinion that no matter who you are on earth (and this includes anyone who has no clue about any archontic influenced possibilities nor have achieved any understanding that there could be such a thing such as a child, or someone who has lived an isolated existence or is perhaps mentally challenged such that they never consciously considered the possibility) you share somehow one or more of the 11 points of view documented within my solutions proposal post. If anyone read my solution proposal and were honest with themselves, they would be able to find the point of view they currently (and this is the BIG word... “currently”) share about the archontic influences and who they are in relationship to the archontic possibility. Again, I found 11 general points of view and labeled them A through K.

I then explored the logical conclusion possibilities as to what can be done (if anything could be and this does not mean I suggest something should be done) based on one’s particular point of view (A through K) from the perspective of both the individual self as well as the rest of “us.”

I then outlined real “hows” for each and every individual that either seeks relief from what they perceive is unwanted archontic influence with an end goal in mind that each and every earth born human being could eventually, if they desire, achieve relief. This obviously and clearly would result in collective relief as well.

During my latter days of exploring the problem (and I must note, there are those who do not consider this activity to be such a problem and there are those that do not consider the activity to be occurring at all (do not place me in either of those camps by the way, I simply acknowledge that there are these two groupings)) I experienced responses to my posts both publicly and privately.

In the group of PMs was one particular PM which had the following opinions – that my responses were unsupported. My question back was and is, what does my opinion need to be supported by when it is simply my opinion. That I have the opinion I expressed based upon my own personal experience and that I am sharing what has (up until now) worked for me is only that. It does not have to be read in the first place and if read, does not have to be adopted as anyone else’s approach or view, etc. Again, it is only my opinion.

In addition, It was the view of this poster that somehow another creator being has been holding us captive. It is believed by this poster that all gnostics share this central view. My experience with Gnosticism was that an individual could achieve gnosis which is described to be “direct knowing.” If one is seeking direct knowing or one has achieved direct knowing, I would consider application of that label of "Gnostic" to the individual as merited.

It is true that some who call themselves a “Gnostic” conclude that all the material realms are nothing but abject evil and/or that one or more beings (described as another creator type being) have somehow imprisoned “us” in this material realm and/or the only permanent escape is for an individual to never return again to these material realms and/or that the only way no Spirit Being would ever have to be subject to this set of realms (sometimes called "the material realm or realms") ever again is dependent upon total dissolution of said material realms. But there are those who call themselves Gnostics or who are referred to by others to be Gnostics or at least to have achieved gnosis who do not share any of the above views.

The argument the poster made is based on the evidence one is (and I paraphrase) “anchored in a finite body.” That because our physical body appears (to others) to stop functioning and eventually decompose into dust that this is proof we are unwillingly bound within an experiential realm. The key here is that by concluding one is a “captive” one is here against their own will.

Is it possible that at a higher level of one’s being, say the level we commonly call “the Spirit” that an individual Spirit Being could have made a willing choice to enter these realms? And yet once inside these realms, the Spirit Being would be faced with an interesting puzzle so to speak which, if they do not reach the required answer (or answers) might be unable to exit the realm? But that at their pure Spirit “state” (or level... you pick the proper descriptor) they are aware that by the very nature of being a Spirit Being, they are perfect, immortal and eternal and thus have no worries as to how difficult it may be at some point to exit these realms and so chose to enter these realms for the purpose of experience?

This is what some of us have discovered. The reason I write about this is because I conclude that if more of us achieve the view that one has chosen all on their own free will to enter into these “lower density realms” as some describe them, then they certainly have the choice to exit these lower density realms and even have the choice never to return again to these lower density realms.

Who knows if I have it right, but it is illogical to me that a primary creator being (I call this being “God” though I cannot even refer to my concept of God using any words so one must understand I really cannot even use the words “primary” nor “creator” nor “being” – I just do so to point to that which is ineffable (to use a Gnostic term one can find in the Nag Hammadi writings by the way)) could create “children” so to speak which would be subject to either eternal captivity and/or eventual destruction against the will of that “child” all because of some other “being's” trick which the primary creator being has zero responsibility regarding how this “other” being could ever come forth in the first place and that I would be able to remain respectful to this primary creator being.

Now for simple words. If “original god” created all, including myself. And that one or more of the beings this original god is responsible at some level for their existence then entraps (and perhaps for some eventually destroys) other beings created by this original god then how is anyone supposed to respect this original god?

I can’t because it is illogical. Yet I am here. I am a Spirit Being. Is it possible that I might have it wrong in my theory that I am captive? Is it possible I may be wrong that I could ever be destroyed? My personal answer is Yes unless I chose to allow myself the experience of being “captured” and I conclude that whatever of me is real can never be destroyed. I might lose a physical body or two along the way. I might shed a little ego along the way. But whatever of me is real, can never, ever be destroyed. If I am wrong about that last statement, then folks, nothing matters anyways so I recommend you enjoy the time you got. I do not share that conclusion. I found personal freedom by realizing (and I may be the only one on earth at this time that has this view, though I can guess a few others do share it such as Finefeather for example) I chose to be here. I chose this experience. I suggest the possibility you may also have chosen to be here but it is my opinion that consideration is solely up to each and every individual. In some ways it is silly to even write words along these lines because the ultimate teacher is the Spirit Being “itself” in how another Spirit Being perceives them. Words are secondary and words are likely where most of the “trouble” within the puzzle begins.

I was informed an infinite being is incapable of occupying a physical body. If this is true, then all of us in a physical body are not infinite beings. I am of the opinion I am an infinite being. I also perceive I am occupying a physical body. I also found that I occupy many forms of embodiment. I do so simultaneously. I found that some of those forms of embodiment are in fact eternal and immortal and even perfect – that being my Spirit. A simple word to describe my core is my “pure Spirit.” When I am within and only within my pure Spirit there is only one thing that makes me different than my actual "source" and that is that I am not alone. There are infinite pure Spirits. It is my conclusion that we are all pure Spirits at this level of our being. We are a “one off” from being “Source” or “God” or whatever word suits you to point to that “One.”

It is my conclusion that when one reaches this understanding about who/what one might be, that one can experience full empowerment. The danger in that (if there be any) is that when one gets to this place of understanding, they become all powerful (because we actually are) and it is this ability to explore all realms knowing one's full empowerment that makes them dangerous to any other Spirit Being from the point of view of that other Spirit Being! This is the central key to all. Because here at this point one has only a few choices. One can chose to burn holes through the fabrics of the universes or one can chose to enter into relationship with the universes. It is my opinion that no one can do the former completely. Eventually there will be no more fabric to burn holes through and all the universes would end up destroyed. This is what happens when king of the hill finds out no one wants to play the game anymore and all the participants save for the king go home.

The other end of the choice spectrum has better prospects for a longer lasting future BUT it also has its end. That end is when all Spirit Beings achieve a state where there is no difference between one Spirit Being and another. At this point we have Source, infinite exact copies of children of Source and infinite realms these children explore. To me that is also an end as to me I would become bored as a child of Source and would probably wish to no longer exist.

Can anyone see how it may be possible the realms of form might be a pretty cool thing? Could anyone see how we might consider it to be a privilege given to each of us by Source such that we could have the opportunity to experience these realms? Does it occur to anyone that we are doing something that actual Source, alone, cannot do? Is it possible our way of saying thanks to Source for this opportunity is by simply transmitting back to Source our experiences so Source can at least imagine what it might be like to have any experience at all in any way? Can we begin to see the underlying beauty in all this? Can we begin to get in touch with that core, pure Spirit Being within us, which from the ultimate view is all and only who/what we truly are? Can we then take that privilege to be and choose what appears to me to be the wisest path which is a path that has as the core of its intentions to find the best way to be in relation with all? With all Spirit Beings? With the experiential realms?

Anyways... there’s some Saturday morning thoughts. Enjoy the Day!

Love to All
Chester

[Chester]

Great points Amysenthia. A persons ego is what gets them/us in trouble. `When I was among the asleep ones sports was my pride and passion. I would gamble on my team. I would call into sports talk radio shows and berate the players or coach. Almost get violent over my teams........I look back now about how foolish I was......We must lose our Ego's to advance IMHO....

I love this response as I found entering into a "life" experience is a gamble and that the only way to win at life is to bet on Love as I have found Love wins all bets.

Somehow I also found that Love transcends the "lower ego" and transmutes ego into what I call "healthy ego."

It is my view that a "life experience" cannot exist without a tiny % of ego as at its basic level, ego comes directly from individuation and thus must always be a part of any "life experience" for that experience to be.

Chester

[nomadguy]

hmmm, this discussion brings up a point.

Everything that holds matter has a lower and higher frequency, this is how matter stays put.
The two equal forces stabilize our construct.

It could be that,
in this epoch we are (dimensionally speaking) going to travel through a worm hole. My opinion is that we will make our way through this "tight spot" near 2150 at the end of the Piscean cycle.

My point is this,
when we begin to move closer to this event horizon the dimensions in space around us are compressing and at the same time the vibration is increasing. Eventually the vibration will be more than the dimensional barriers. This will make them well.. vanish so-to-speak. They will not disappear but rather become translucent and basically they will no longer be dimensional barriers at all. All dimensions as they go through the wormhole will be one. IE singularity. The one-ness of the dimensional state will allow all beings within the different dimensions to be together both in the physical form and in the energetic state. So now that we are moving closer to this horizon we are beginning to feel, see and be involved with the other realms and the beings within. Energetically speaking our paths or karma can become "entangled" then once we make our way through the wormhole onto the other side in the Aquarian cycle we separate the dimensional barriers reform and the over all vibration decreases then the dimensional singularity ends.

For us the event is a fractal motion. Compressing and then expanding.
And as energetic beings we must remain fractal.
So that when we shrink into singularity we do so without being cramped and entangled with the other dimensions both in an energetic sense(inertia) as well as a karmic sense(our personal path).
This way when we come out the other end we expand without destruction.

~Fear is deconstruction and non-fractal and causes us to BE non-fractal when it comes to our energetic state.

Bliss is fractal and causes us to be constructive, it is a state of energy that can shrink and expand infinitely. The archontic energies seem to want to cause us to be deconstructive.

Is this this making sense?

[Chester]

WoW! Thanks nomadguy. It not only made sense, I also realized that if I had been presented this view even a few weeks back (much less anytime earlier in my life) it would have flown right over my head.

What a beautiful vision.

Truly, thanks... I hope others are inspired by your post. It leaves me with a sense that what appears to be impossibly paradoxical can actually coalesce.

Love to ALL, Chester